tv European Parliament Debate on U.K. Membership in the EU CSPAN February 26, 2016 9:25pm-10:36pm EST
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the terms of the deal and the possibility of britain leaving the european union. this is one hour. >> we now move to the debate on the 18th the 19th of february 2016. welcome to the open counsel. >> thank you, brett president members of the parliament, the last european council was difficult at the end of my term. even though we found a common solution, the time is ahead of us because of the referendum and the united kingdom on whether or not to remain a member of the european union union. only the
british british people can and will decide what we could do on our side is a new settlement with the eu. the ten heads of state adopted a legally binding and irreversible sentiment for the united kingdom and the eu that the settlement is in conformity with the and cannot be annulled by the european call to justice. it will only enter into falls if they vote to leave it will cease to exist. we have agreed to do all of this in a way that is not compromised the european union from their values.
the start of the freedom of momentum, the principle of nondiscrimination. without compromising the future development of the economic and monitored union. if i have any doubts about this never propose such a settlement despite many difficulties we did not walk away from this, we are fully aware of the stakes involved mainly keeping the u.k. in the future and the politics of europe. here i would like to express -- let me also thank the parliament legislators who engaged in negotiations and who are highly effective in obtaining their goals. that this is my firm belief that
we need to involved the european parliament. i will always remember the crucial talks with that group leaders and the president, it is thanks to you that this agreement allows us to take into the interest of the union as a whole. without your help this agreement would not have been possible. thank you very much. >> ..
quickly. to be organized on the seventh of march. that discussion but to do that we must first avoid of a pnc. and without any solution. and said looking at different approaches. it is a donor about the decisions it is even more so about those decisions that we must accept that but at this same time to see the
coordination of those decisions. that european union is here for all of us to operate. we must respect the rules and to go back to that situation as it is fully applied and to no doubt it will cost money and take time. there will the countries that may not be able to cope with this challenge but we need to invest. [applause]
said future is what we discussed of the leaders is in keeping them flow into syria and assyrian refugees. as two-thirds of the pledges came from europe and with a 3.3 billion euros pledged as well as the 3 billion euros agree to have the refugees from turkey. this is only a possibility therefore i will continue to build a global response for the meetings later this year. finally we cannot simply
would like to pay tribute here in particular to the president who calmly and effectively assisted the commission to conclude the debate with elegance and ability to the european parliament's without whose inspiration the outcome would not have been what it was we have it achieved an agreement with united kingdom the u.k. prime minister from what he could obtain of the other member states offered him as much as they could offer which leads me to say that the deal with the u.k. is fair and balanced and complies with the great principles of the european union to take the concerns and suggestions of the united kingdom with
their british people through the course of history hases courage and wisdom time and again to say yes to the arrangements that we have arrived at with the united kingdom. the commission that the british people approve those arrangements go to parliament and council with those aspects of the agreement with the united kingdom at that juncture. the legislative proposals will come as soon as they have been tabled. of course, we also looked at refugees and migration issues. it is not as the european council is concerned with the european council had decided in the past and now
it is the question of ensuring those decisions appropriately and that is why march 7th the european council will take place but also with the 28 member states as quickly as possible the european council has made loud and clear that european approach to the refugee problem to achieve the objective is proceeding nationally would allow was to do that. to be in a legal dispute with austria a country that is close to my heart should not see this as against austria to unfold with those efforts they have made on
refugees in recent years that are now attempting with their colleagues and i hope we will be successful. thank you very much. >>translator: . >> >>translator: what situation you find yourself? we have to attend the imperialists and the situation in europe where many people are looking for employment and prosperity of the gatt that situation you can see it is very difficult
at the last european council it was difficult to see how those welfare benefits could be put in those private places on the european council agenda. my question is should these be considered with these issues at the table? the british want to discuss these request and require a credit is good reading come to an agreement that now is on the table that we can support that and get the solid outcome that they support the core of the agreement with the people choose to remain at in the european union then they
will find the implementation of those goals. we have to make clear that will be respected they will say they would get a better deal we have to tell them very clearly the agreement and this is the agreement that we will support with no follow-up negotiations the debate is now up to the british people to clarify the truth and vannatter -- of the matter. and vice europe growing at 6% despite the fact it is
europe and the usa is asking the u.k. to remain within the european union because it is better for their trade? there are thousands of foreign fighters infiltrating the u.k. because of these agreements with those military leaders have spoken out and if we paddled the untruth then he looks forward to a time when britain really -- leaves the united kingdom they want to split the european union so that is why we would say to the british people at a time of major uncertainty it is
and then there is no further negotiations. thank you. >> if you need a clarification of what i just said i'm entirely happy to do that. what is the offer on the table from all sides it is a compromise to reach others position and that is what we have to take into account to compromise that is what they're making to the british people that everyone can convince the british people to get on board with that. >> thank you very much so thank you mr. president to
economic section been taking hostage. id internal balance so when they're in the midst for weeks to be spent to discuss council in legal terms that it is nothing to be touched. however i am not convinced him in the social dimension imagine to young people of the same job. in the fact that they're not british the hand that is
discrimination that this would be denied because it comes from the commission and it must be handled with great care because they cannot be live wires between european union and we will fight it and let me say for the british citizens for them alone to take your choice to be leaders in the protagonist but they have done so much with those
mr. president. i need clarification and listened to what he said if i got it correctly you seem to be saying that there will be no discrimination. now faulty as the agreement may have been it does say for a period when they can have the benefit of their own country so that would be discrimination. you said something like what would happen with the legislation coming to the parliament. and the agreement might be changed. are you saying that parliament could change that and will get? >> translator: they key very much.
>> thank you did deal struck last week as part of all sizes many countries have conservative objections objections, into ruth be overcome. fuelled by packets in sealed following a visit to the shop. we found an agreement that enshrines the united kingdom special status to never joined the euro. as a country that does not wish to be a part of the european political project that delivers a living and what live run the united kingdom continues to play an active role of the european union. in areas where wishes to keep national control the
group welcomes and now it is on these new terms. ladies and gentleman i will be supporting a campaign to remain in the european union. [applause] keys he gentleman. [laughter] it is simple. even though good with the recovery is fragile and will not put it at risk to tear away from a single market. my constituents will be safer in the countryman secure if we continue with cop -- cooperation with european partners. there are good people who would disagree with me and i respect that decision.
and then we must respect that to make it work. but there are also those in this chamber that are not respectful of other people's choices. we can hear them cheering today behind me from the soviet union a think that is foolish and offensive to those who actually lived under the yoke of communism. [applause] because i'd like the u.s.s.r. in a country is free to leave the european union that is though will of the sovereign people to be in the e.u. is a choice that the conservative party will respect that choice. mr. president we will exercise their sovereignty
and they will decide whether to remain. and with the uk we can look forward to discussing the subject over the next four months. the you must concentrate on the migration crisis. the dutch prime minister has between six and eight weeks and said that five weeks ago. that we seem unwilling to accept that the crisis was exacerbated and that germany would take people without limits. and guess what? and in some countries like hungary are criticized as with other countries break the rules.
we cannot begin to solve this crisis and tell we have those rules in place to protect the border of the process of returns to move around at will. to end a conflict in syria to those refugees both with humanitarian aid in is it not perverse to give priority rather than those already classified as refugees by the united nations. i recommend you order copious amounts of it to
>> i know people are saying once you have no you are invited to the table like with the french and the netherlands but that was about the constitution and the treaty. here is about in or out. it is one or the other. and if i see how the dangers of britain and how britain is eliminated from the u.s. and how britain is step by step
transformed in little england i think it will be wise to stay in the european union. colleagues have talked about this debate and it is a dramatic debate and an important debate for europe. because let's be honest, what we are discussing mow is crazy what we have to unite. we have not to be dividedivided. the only ones that divide from a divided europe are who? people like vladimer putin, people like assad, isis, and instead of discussing how to stand-up to them and develop a strategy we are showing division and we are weak and yesterday it became very clear when the russian-american cease fire in syria happened and we were not around the table for such a
crucial decision. so, we can continue now and some are doing it to complain about the deal and point out the downsides of the deal. my appeal, mr. president, to you and everybody in the house, to do the opposite. put europe back on track and make europe work again. let's finally stop the europe al . i have nothing against this as long as next time you agree within the next week we can go ahead with our integration in all of these areas. we are needed to establish a more united europe. because we need it to tackle the multiple crisis we are facing do is and certainly the refuge
crisis. this is the last point. we should do more on the refuge crisis. the effort to solve the refuge crisis has to be done to give a solution. thank you. [applause] >> so thank you. there are seven people that wish to ask questions to you. i know europe and colleagues who have left the chamber. the first from finland. i am bringing a question to to european parliament. >> mr. president, thank you for the floor. i would like to make a question
to the person who i know is a good speaker, mr. fox, are you aware of the fact that also people from your group is starting a campaign for the exit? thank you. >> i cannot see the entrance campaigning for an exit. it is more interesting our british people deciding and the british paul tigoliticiapolitic pz position. if there is one party that will fight to keep britain part of the union it will be the democratic union.
>> president, ladies and gentlemen, the result of an internal party orbital took the eu so far with an essential terror which supported the eu and the social pillar and it has been reduced. what happened with the aaa? >> surely you can pack up and say that is it and all promises are lost. i would make the point to you, too, where on-route for the eu coming closer to the anglo-saxon models you could say on the 18th of february 2016 the statutes of
margaret thatcher were r ressurected. hundreds of people have entered greece and they are repfusing t resettle them. you have the fact the unanimous decision of the last summit disappeared and we have not criticized that. borders were sealed off and it was agreed by the summit in march we should have open borders. now we have got a conference underway in viana excluding greece. the main player. how do we intend to come to a european solution? i have had no hint of criticism to what is going on in veena and
you make the point what we decide needs to be delivered. -- vienna -- we need a legal route to be created. greece needs tangible help. we cannot go on as if individual member states were le left alon. this as a -- is a human duty. let me say it loud and clear and if we should take example from the portuguese government thousands could be taken from there or the helping of the greek proverance taking
thousands. why can't other states help? it should not be power play governor johnson and cameron. province. which has no impact on me or the refuges. that is what we should be talking about. 24 hours of staged drama in brussels. it is happening elsewhere and we are not acting. we are liking like it was resolved on its own. ladies and gentlemen, i say we need to acting together, we need to form a majority and spell out radically just what is needed. >> there is a question from mad madam to you.
sorry, everybody. >> thank you very much president. i was asking for the refuges arriving in greece to be redistributed within europe. that would be drama. why do you want them to be distributed within europe only? why can't it happen throughout all of the countries across the planet particularly the countries around the outside? >> dear colleagues, we are members of the european parliament. we are here because we were elected to this post by our voters and we have to resolve the problems that relate to europe. people are coming to europe whether you want it, whether others want it or not, they are coming.
and it doesn't help to try to close off the borders, it does wadoes does not happen to re-create internal borders. it is us that have to solve this. we cannot look elsewhere and say you do this. we have the key to solving the problem and have to work together to open the european door in such a way as to ensure this problem is resolved without threatening the lives of the people on route and complying with the international law. thank you. >> madam, ms. arms leze please. >> president, politics is always staged to a certain extent. but at the last european counsel meeting i didn't think it was achieved staged drama. i got the impression that it was
described correctly and there was a serious negotiation going on behind the scenes and we should not consider this negotiation to be something that was planned in advance. it was difficult actually to keep europe together. my impression from the summit, and i was only watching from the sidelines, but my impression was this summit saw many members of counsel looking around at what was at stake and were making it clear what actually happened if one of the older members of the european union were to leave the union. i hope -- i have to say this against the doom sayers speaking out loudly in this parliament.
i hope that the conflict in the u.k. on this question actually helps the u.k. decide what they want to get out of the european union, what they want to european union to be. that will help all of us in europe as the result of that discussion to acknowledge exactly what we have in the european union because this is an ongoing construction for decades. people died in the making of this european union particularly in the eastern countries. in austria we are seeing the beginning of what could lay this. m mr. brage has weighed in and i can only imagine what he has to say about this process but this
process in the united kingdom could be a process of doing us good in acknowledging what we have here. it has been described often enough that the european union has become sidelined in many of the large world conflicts. the usa has mentioned this on several occasions. they don't necessarily want to just help us out of any difficulty regardless. and in the ukraine conflicts we saw clearly what will happen to us if we can't find common solutions together. if you look at the new strategy being adopted by the conflict arising in various places around the world i think it is very clear that we have to work together with the united kingdom if the european union will be better with the u.k. on board. it works the other way around as well. the united kingdom can overcome these crisis better if they are
in the european union. unfortunately, the issue of the refuge crisis was only dealt with briefly. it has been said it was a difficult issue to come to an agreement on. this is not just the case for the refuge crisis. we are seeing a domino affect as result of our inability to get a grips of on the refuge prices. borders are being brought in all over europe and people are talking about defending the borders militarily even. regarding the summit with turkey, i would say those who want to enshirine a fair policy you need a fair approach to dealing with those in syria and around syria who are in the most need.
i hope those people have great success in the negotiations because the topics are as important as they always have been. it should be feasible. if you look at the numbers involved it is feasible. it will cost a lot of money but it is important and has to be done on the basis of law. nato can intervene, yes, but they cannot patrol the next t n external borders of the european union and the major support for the refuges have been given by turkey and jordan. thank you for your patience and attention. >> thank you very much. mr. ammed wanted to ask a question. >> i think we didn't need credit for things that haven't done.
you mentioned the deal. look in my view, the deal we have is we got rid of the closed union and got this emergency break and it is not clear how it is going to be applied. my question to you is can you think of any other concrete example of anything that cameron has actually achieved in this bill? >> this emergency break -- i can tell you what it is most important. i am always open to compromise. european is always about compromi compromise. in the long run i would never agree, for example, a worker that is coming from the eastern european states are seen as second-class workers and i rope
you agree with me on this. >> thank you very much. now for the b group. >> this is rather exciting, isn't it? referendum season. and in the netherlands they are having a referendum on the ukrainian deal and it shows they will reject it and just today it was announced there is going to be a referendum in hungry where they will have a referendum on whether they should be forced to accept mand atory migrants afte the eu's policy. we are told it is building in the czech republic to have a
referendum now. and there is going to be a british referendum on june the 23rd on whether we leave or remain in the union. and this follows a 14 hour summit where mr. cameron went up to the mr. tusk and said can i have more concessions. he didn't get very much, did he? we were allow to change migrant benefits for a short period of time. we are told that in the future we will not be committed to every closer union. on the bases of all of that, we will have a referendum that the prime minister says on a deal that is legally binding. he was joined today saying the british deal was legally binding. mr. cameron said he will launch the documents at the unit ed
nation but it is meaningless the fact you launched a document there and you would use a safety deposit box. is this bill legally binding? in 2008 it was said the obligations imposed by an international agreement cannot have the effect of prejudiceing the constitutional principles of the eu treaty. meaning the rule in favor of the existing treaties until we need a new one. who is to say there is going to be a new one? it would trigger more referendums and not be favored for the big groups in this parliament. of course we have an emergency break. that is being judged to be a great success. but crucially that happens through legislation and that can be voted on by this parliament.
we have a referendum and vote to remain and then we come back to this parliament. is this parliament going to accept british exceptionalism. the deal is not legally binding in any way at all. i have to say the british public will decide the safest organization. their police force tell us 3-5,000 terrorist have come into the continent through the migrant crisis. is it safest to take control of our own borders and democracy? after much considering i have decided to opt to vote for us to leave. [applause]
>> thank you. there is a question from mr. pasa. will you accept that? >> thank you, mr. chairman. we know working for britain to leave since i joined here almost 11 years ago. he has tried local elections in the united kingdom but didn't have success. then he went for the general election in the united kingdom and hardly any success there. will you call it a day and retire from politics? or do you want another chance to
stay here with the company of us europeans. >> i don't know who has been briefing you on the intellectual history but you might not have a good memory. in 2014, 28% of the vote uk won the european election toping the poll across the united kingdom for the first time since the conservatives or the work party didn't win an election. i believe the referendum is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. i think we will sink deeper inside the union if it were not for this. there is every chance the momentum is on our side of the argument. so, yes, we are going to vote to leave and within a short period of time all of the briting mep's will be gone.
how about that? -- british -- >> thank you. madam lapen? >> careful with predicting the results. i think the socialist only counted for 2% in the last election. someone said the u.k. will vote and that is for the people to decide on a fundamental issue. there will be a democratic debate. and it will be many ids involved
in it. no opinion and respect for all opinions and that goes to the heart of democracy and it is an opportunity to look back and measure the benefits of joining up. if they decide it is one thing they can opt for freedom. for sovereignty. if they do that they will find a way to solve the problems of the modern world. now, if you think back to article 28, and the human rights, our generation cannot subjegate a future generation of british that decided to join the european union and they cannot impose european institutions or our institutions to future j
generati generations and that is a lesson of democracy. this will be highlighted in the media. this is a kind of epitome arising legally and illegally. a travesty of an agreement. it is not good to change the reality anymore than set of blackmails on the margins of the system. there are polls to support the referendum. you cannot refuse to be touched by there people and the necessary sanctions penalized by them because that is the essence of the contestant of democracy.
i believe because the british people will be taken seriously. >> as we in the united kingdom look toward our own independence day on the 23rd of june we know the eu is not willing or able to do so. the new settlements promised in 2013 have been ditcheded and our sovereignty continues to be eroded and our security at risk. we will continue to send billions more to the eu than we
get back and the fundamental flaws of membership remain. even if we look at the tweaks being made they bring no garn ga guarantee. what we have before us is a charade. an attempt to deceive the british people. my message to my constituents is don't buy it. believe in our united kingdom because in the words of the wonderful belfast author far far bett better things ahead than any we leave behind. >> ms. dodds? you have two blue cards.
would you accept them? first from ms. mcgunnuis. >> would you acknowledge the role of the european union in the peace process in northern ireland. it did cause the negotiate and do you not see the value of the european union in peace work in general but particularly in northern ireland. we cannot interfere in the u.k. referendum but on the island of ireland we do have to have a say and our voices need to be heard and i hope you will accept that. thank you. >> can i say thank you for the question. it is indeed a very relevant one. i have always acknowledged the role that this parliament and
these institutions have played in making sure there were peace funds available to northern ireland. however, open europe for example has estimated that in terms of structural funds for every pine that northern ireland gets back it cost us. neighbors in the irish republic welcome us and we have better relationships than before. i hope and know this will continue. can i make a plea that what we need in northern ireland is a genuine and honest debate and not the scare mongering tactics we have seen of those who threaten us with all kinds of things in northern ireland if we don't tow the european line. >> thank you very much. >> tonight on c-span2, fbi
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