tv Conversation with Authors P.J. O Rourke and Dave Berry CSPAN January 2, 2021 8:00am-8:56am EST
good of the country and after he had 3 illnesses during his presidency and after each one of them he was giving himself and arduous test like a round the world reported to europe that required lots of meetings have lots of stress and told advisories if i don't perform at the top level you have to tell me because then i will re-sign. .. to get through his second term. >> to watch the rest of this program visit our website booktv.org and search for author susan eisenhower or the title of her book how like a lead using the box at the top of the page. >> hello and welcome to in conversation with pj o'rourke and david berry.
my name is jack kelly. it's honored to sponsor this dialogue with the authors. as a locally owned automotive group proudly serving south florida for more than half a century, it is our pleasure to be a small part of the magic and inspiration of the miami book fair, its books and its authors instill in our wonderful community. pj overwork as loudly on display in a cry for me far middle, dispatches from a divided land and which he secures current events and assesses the state of the nation. after nearly five decades of biting satire everything from political struggles to road trips to bad haircuts it is exactly what it is you would expect. he is joined by florida's own dave barry, himself on the
right observation the back-and-forth between these two uses just just as satisfying as you would imagine. and now it is my great delight to introduce to you, pj o'rourke and dave berry. >> it's my job now to introduce pj a little bit more. first of all thank you to the book fair, we love the miami book fair. pj and i are their lives were sorry we cannot be there this year. we are okay because pj has like a lot of books behind him which is the rule these days. >> one of these days i'm going to sell what of these. these are all the unsold copies of all of my own books. >> i have copies of my own books there and what leg which i don't know romanian? i don't know. have you ever read any the books the wall behind you? just curious pj. >> note no struggle for show >> is that your while others are books? >> this is my wall laughter
strick now i feel little i just looked at your while and feeling wall envy now because it's not my wallets my wife's wall behind me. pj or work, i have been ap fan of pj are work for a long time. i was in my mid- 20s before i discovered that i am actually older than pj o'rourke because he was my humor idle and i was in my early 20s. i was a huge fan and much influenced by the national lampoon, where pj -- god knows what pj did. when it later on discovered that he was actually a little bit younger, we are both born in 1947 but he is a little bit younger than i. he is doing all these incredible things for humor. anyway i am a lifelong fan of pj and i consider him a good friends. i am excited to be able to do this and talk about a cry from the far middle. and i'm going to start by
asking a general question about the book. everybody describes you as a conservative humorist. and i know a lot of people don't believe that is even possible. people maybe have not read your work. do you think it has gotten easier or harder to be a conservative humorist as you are called? i think you are more of a libertarian humorist. that is how you are labeled. >> guest: yeah that's how i am late labored labeled so i will roll with it. i filled the entire category you know? people sam funny conservative i'm not saying i'm the only funny conservative but i might be the only intentional funny conservative. >> host: you get hl lincoln thrown at you lot? >> guest: yeah he was more current than conservative. he had his shaky moments there
on basic issues of principle such as being slightly of two minds about hitler. [laughter] which was a little bit like stanback and standby. >> good people on both sides. >> no they are not. >> guest: but it is true by instinct i much more a libertarian. i'm just a cheap libertarian who occasionally licensee bad foreigners blowed out. so i guess that takes me out of pure libertarianism and into conservatism or something. has it gotten harder? yes it is gotten harder. people who are liberals think they detest drunk. but people who are conservative conservatives, this is a guy who became allegedly from our side of the aisle. i always say if you are a liberal and you don't like
trum trump, trump is a loose stray dog. he is making a mess on your lawn if you are a liberal. but if you are a conservative he's making a mess on my carpet. [laughter] because that is a stray dog for my house. that has been rough. you don't have to make a great deal of fun of trump because he's so good at it himself. all you have to do is stand aside. >> i get that a lot spirit of got disabled this must be just like a gold mine for you, the trump administration. there's so much material for you. i'm like no, you can't exaggerate him. i don't think that is possible. [laughter] anyway a cry from.
>> guest: chris buckley did a damn good job with maker russia great again. he did manage to write a book that satirizes trump by having it written by a trump flunky this not all that bright and is quite loyal. it is just puzzled why people don't like his boss the way he likes his boss. but it was rough. i remember when chris was writing this, it was giving him fits. it's hard to, he would clap on that manure pile. it is a long climb to the top. [laughter] stuart okay a cry from the far middle, i am looking for a way to summarize it for our audience. one of the phrases that comes to mind is these kids today, you and i are both ancient
white guys. >> guest: that is us. [laughter] >> host: and incurred recurring theme of the book is funny we touch on the elements you get into, a recurring theme is two things, things really don't change that much over time and to is, everybody, young people generally have no clue about anything. you'd say that is fair? >> guest: having three young people, you have a couple of well, one of yours is not so young. >> host: turned 40. >> guest: he is finally through and he is now been disappointed by another generation of very children. >> guest: but you can let them borrow the car now. [laughter] stuart yeah but i will never get. anyway go on.
sergio course kids today, what is the matter with kids today? they are clueless. i talk about why did they buy and it's a bigwig socialism? from the first place they're too young to see just how badly it works. and i was in the old soviet union but it was the soviet union. i was in the east germany, i was in eastern europe when the iron curtain had yet to rust and crumble. and honestly it was like an awful, awful experience in every respect. but so, the berlin wall as the great depression was for me. we start time but the evils of communism you might as will be talking about the hallway tariff act. their eyes glaze over.
though thinking about socialism as you can go to cuba get some sing-alongs, of course if you would've been like i have been to cuba and action for some time and effort into it, you can also find people who are really hungry and really broke and really miserable. but you have to sort of get outside cuba's turf parameters to do that. that is one thing that makes kids heads full of baloney besides the fact they are kids. in my own small personal way because the 60s. i caused as much of the 60s as i could. demonstrating a bunch of idiots. my second part is a way to
minute how come it never occurred to us to lutes? getting teargas and chased by the police we were good all that stuff. had never occurred to us, we were hippies we manage that materialistic mindsets. on the other hand if pot had been legal in which it was a luscious display we might have looted from that. strack or if they had muumuus or tie-dye supplies or something on display. oars are going with this? and the other things that make kids for love baloney is they buy into this marxist idea from each according to his ability to each according to his need.
now my ability is to make an occasional pond or something like that. my need is for a private jet, a château in france, 100 for yach yacht. a few other things like that. it turns out life does not work that way. but kids don't know that because there's one place where the marxist idea of each according to his ability each according to his need actually does work actually does happen. and that's for family. mom and dad going out and getting paychecks to each according to his need. starts with diapers and answers soccer. it doesn't end with soccer and ends with graduate school tuition, if it ever ends. and so when kids reach adulthood and they discovered the world is not your mommy
and daddy they get bitter and disappointed. and frankly who can blame them. does it not occur to them that if you do lutes you're no longer being provided for so the loot has to come somewhere. >> no. never occurred to them when they were growing up did it? never occurred to us either. but to the extent they think about, and believe me this is by no means confined to young people, this other view blood bernie sanders two. bernie needs three houses and they have been provided. i don't know exactly you'd pay burning to do other than go awa away. [laughter] maybe he gets paid a lot to go away frequently, i don't
know. i don't know anything about bernie's finances. other than my tax dollars are probably paying for his social security. but then my tax dollars are paying for my social security to so we are even. but the idea to the extent they have any economic ideas, they see economics, they see wealth as being zero seven somebody else makes money it's like a pie. like a pizza pie. somebody else makes too much money somebody has to make slices of the pizza i'm going to have to eat the dominoes box and that is not how it works. we can make more pizza. it isn't easy, it is not always foolproof. pete's is not always very good but we can make more pizza. that is one of the things i get into a little bit about that. but not i hope into partisan a way.
because i've spent a lot of time fiddling around the somewhat partisan pundit or whatever you call it i did not want this to be a book about you know we are an equal opportunity, what is the word i am looking for, offender. [laughter] i love the part about coastal's versus heart landers. this is a split this is a really big divide in america. takes on a partisan coloration. we had these coastal elites and we have like the rest of us. doesn't mean you actually live
on the coast or not on the coast because you could be in some college town or really any big city. then there's all coast like the gulf coast of florida which are anything but coastal elites. just coastal. but the coastal elites are kind of the know it all's. they know the difference between fair trade and local war. and vegan and gluten-free, non- gmo holy don't know the difference between hay and straw. i've got to say, i think of myself as a heartland or, i do. both of my parents are from the midwest although i did grow up in new york. i was struck by the between hay and straw. they don't let on they did not know this.
the difference between the stars, the stock of it could be wheat or ride, any of the grain grains. that's the stuff you use for bedding of your are sheep and your horses. whereas the hay is the edible part. hey is what you feed the horses and the cows and the sheep. the coastal elites are left in this position of trying to sip their lattes through a blade of hay. but on the other hand, the angry heart landers are stuffing the scarecrow. in planning and the white house. it's not a divide that really works for an avis we need to get over that. to make you live in new hampshire. >> i do.
new hampshire is clearly heartland. >> guest: know we have had ben and jerry spillover. [laughter] >> host: that literally blows across. >> guest: blows across the western land blows vermont pixie dust into new hampshire. and flatlanders keep coming up for massachusetts. it's not a capital gains tax is not a sales tax. and so the massachusetts people russia purge live, this is great there's no taxes. but where did all those services go will do new hampshire years and years ago. what services? i remember when i moved up to new hampshire for three weeks before i notice there are three works worth of garbage out at the end of the driveway. you got to take care of that
yourself up here. see when you take it to the dump right? >> guest: you take it to the dump. >> host: that's all they know about new england should take it to the doubt. >> guest: had to ply your driveway even in july. >> host: but you chose that life. you had to know it was going to be cold up there right? >> guest: i wish i would've known how cold. [laughter] i sort of stumbled into it. i had an old buddy and old college but i visit him and his wife, i fell in love with the places very economically economically depressed the 1970s. so depressed i bought a cute little house, it needed a little work but it was a cute little house. 15 acres up on top of a hill, beautiful woods beautiful field, beautiful view. $66000. i could not have bought a parking spot in massachusetts.
so about a year or two after i bought it i became a freelancer and i left the lampoon and i became a free lance are. my tax accountant, was a wonderful guy. mark from queens. he said p.j. you are a more and if you do not change or legal residents to new hampshire. and here i am, still to this day. and i can't get out because somebody needs to plow the driveway. >> host: well some of tax situation here in florida. i know we have more coast than most states, but would you have florida's that coastal satyr heartland state? two whole lot of people everywhere in south america. if that makes bread florida is a very interesting mix. i think you certainly have that coastal elite element down from new york and new jersey. but then you've got like all the hicks from ohio like me
down there also. you've got like a real mix of people from other places. some of whom escaped from places like venezuela and cuba, which turns i am in directly into republicans. other places where capitalism seems to be a bit more not a. turns them in another you got college students all over the place especially in the spring. which is one of the reasons i thought jeb bush, who i like personally for one thing. i think he was a pretty good governor of florida. and one thing is he didn't get thrown out of office. he was obviously able to cope with this in microcosm of america that you've got down
there in florida. because everybody in america moves down there soon as they retire. it is by major a cross-section. that was one of the reasons i supported him and his run for president. it's for the same reason when jeb did not seem to be going anywhere. because ohio is very much the same set of cross-sections. get back in the black. he got reelected by a landslide. this guy is able to cope with lots of people on the left and the right and right down the middle. sue vicki recently had endorsed joe biden. i have been at this because a lot of people might not know,
mr. conservative humorist in 2016 you said you are voting for hillary clinton. we are a god and conservative circles. did you get a lot of blowback on that? subject surprisingly little. just to show off my conservative bona fides and my libertarian principles, i'm going to do something i have not been able to do in public since the 1970s which is light up. [laughter] this is a cigar. >> is just going to ask ladies and gentlemen i know it's uighur in new hampshire not that is a cigar pits direct that is a cigar? >> that is a cigar. it's the only thing i could say in favor of the pandemic is this is the first time i've been known to smoke in public for decades. i don't much care for
hillary. i voted for hillary on the principle the devil you know the w don't know. i agree to flutter policies and prescriptions. some pleased by that record. she was the most boring campaigner ever. although joe biden is really not out on the road he has not been given a chance to competes. so he might be able to. here is the deal drinking game. it will still be drunk. >> would not be in any shape. >> i think the main statement he was able to make was here is the deal. and he would be interrupted. >> will come back to that in a moment. i have a lot of respect for president obama that i had for hillary clinton as a candidate. but equal among disagreement
with president obama, we survived four years of president obama. in her obamacare. was really a messy peace of legislation that did not have to be that complicated. i understand the principle behind it. we don't want anyone to be bothered by the healthcare cost per lead don't know when to lose out. the vote maybe not the house. it seems like a simpler deal could have been come up with, so on and so forth. the nation survived barack obama just fine. they're in better shape than when you came in. i thought we get there hillary it would probably be a one term presidency. i have a feeling i'm going to feel the same way. i would vote libertarian, in the case of hillary new hampshire was a purple state.
we really did not know how it was going to turn out. as it was she carried the statement not by much. this is one of those moments, may be in a lifetime but your actual particular vote to make a difference. i might vote for trump? anyone who has raised kids i think will understand how there is at the top of the stairs for memory of got the todd lee forget to close the baby gate, you're standing at the bottom of the stairs in the toddlers are at the top of the stairs so yeah it's been four years of a toddler at the top of the stairs. that's more than i can take. >> i have an observation based
on what you have just been saying. what strikes me about what you just said is here you are, you are supposed to be, you are a libertarian conservative. you are not a big fan of the democratic party, at least not ideologically. and yet you are able to talk calmly about okay i'm going to vote this way because of this. most places i find here in miami florida, my friends. they talk about candidate a, can it be, party a party be. without it immediately becoming anger, you are wrong, you can't say that. and yet at the top of the media political heap, the washington, new york court or, media elite known seems capable of doing that. just talking, just as you did reasonably. i could conceivably vote for
this person i could conceivably vote for that person. you are not allowed to say that. you're not allowed to say that. a quick anecdote, the election i first remember vividly was the 1960 election, richard nixon and john kennedy. that was just huge in this country. it was like what was going on is an intensely interest election for a lot of reasons. i'm from new york my parents were staunch democrats. i was in a very republican town. many of my parents were staunch americans were i would drink a lot back then. some still do. every week in their cocktail parties. sometimes it would be our house. i loved it my sister and i loved it because the house would fill with smoke and people dancing and singing. they would raise, kennedy.
subject i would remember. back at the end everybody hugged and loved and they didn't hate anybody because they voted for the other team. now it is hate. there are people who will not be friends of people who vote for somebody other than who they voted for. what happened? you were able to rationally and calmly talk about that. >> one of things happen is the news media got smart about ratings. let's face it, rational conversation like we are having right now is not great tv. you and i are not going to replace the kardashians. the news media has always had this idea if it bleeds it leads.
also leads if it screams it leads. so what had once been a cool medium. the other thing is the expansion of the news media wasn't necessarily such a wonderful thing. he brought more voices into the public forum. but on the other hand, it raised a kind of nasty competitiveness. and it also sort of splinters the audience. it used to be a big television station, a big newspaper. any large or chain of small newspapers even they were dependent on a broad reach of audience. they had advertisers and the guy who owned the furniture stores going well i don't want to sell sofas just to democrats. i don't to sell sofas just to republicans. i want to sell sofas to everybody.
in some kind of kept a lid on things. knowing that the three networks dominated and were sort of under public scrutiny they had to make bipartisan noises at least. they always tended to be at least in their lifetime, tended to be fairly liberal. they had to keep that muted to a certain extent. that is one thing that has certainly happened. and then, there's kind of fundamental thing that makes me a conservative and libertarian is that the size and scope of government has grown enormously. maybe increasing the size and scope of government for the absolute best of motives. with programs that actually do a lot of good for a lot of
people. but, the sheer size of government raises this danger of somebody that you hate getting a hole of this gigantic governmen government. be careful of how big a government you build for fear of who you may get a hole of the thing. and i think that puts people much more on edge than they used to be. the size and scope of government itself gets us all mixed up about these two ideas that government should fix the problem. in government is the problem. these are two ideas you can hold in your mind at the same time without cognitive dissidents. without any neurosis. as anybody who knows who's been down to a government office sitting out, filling
out forms for some benefit you have earned and deserved and you really need and want, and yet you've got this endless government to go through in-line cyst and didn't so on. it's all a giant department motor vehicles of life. at that moment you are thinking simultaneously the government should fix this problem. and the government is the problem. >> that leaves me right to one of the brilliant ideas you have from the far middle which is how to deal poverty, poor people. if i could just summarize your ideas, we need to stop the spending billions and billions of dollars on programs for poor people. the poor people don't need the programs, they need the money. can you elaborate on that? >> just give them the money. what makes people poor? lack of money makes people poor. it's not as if we are not spending enough money on trying to fix this problem.
i have the figures here someplace. i actually did the math on this one. we will find it eventually. we do not even know how many poverty programs that we have. >> you can have too many can you? >> i guess not. property is bad we stamp it out with programs. subject i think we could stamp it out, where dhec did we go. think we could stamp it out a little easier. anyway the republican congressional committee that like hate poverty programs looked into poverty programs and said we have about 92 poverty programs. now these are the republicans they hate these programs. you think they would know exactly how many. even they could not figure it out, how many poverty programs we have. i can't find the numbers but we spend about 491,
$92 billion year on poverty programs. i'm not counting medicare i'm not counting medical assistance medicare or otherwise. so let's leave the medical spending out of it. just on the poverty programs alone. now if you take that money and you divided up among the poor, you don't have anymore poor. it makes people under. it brings them up. it does not quite bring a single person. >> i'm trying get my head around this. you mean if you give the poor people the money >> that we spend on poverty programs, >> they are not poor anymore. >> it provides about ten grand per poor person. it does not bring a single poor person quite up above the poverty line which is around $12000. but there's nothing saying that single poor person can't buddy up. and then there will be a 20000-dollar household
income. a family of four, a poor family of four would have like 40 some thousand dollars annual income. and they would be come they would not be rolling in it. it's not going to the bathroom in high clover. but they would not be desperate. there would not be food insecurity they would not be desperate for housing. they would not be poor. >> would that be sustainable? is that a one-year thing? >> we can do this year after year we've been doing it already. this is what we are spending per year on poverty programs. i don't how you go about it. what comes to be a policy walk i am all walking no policy. so i don't know exactly how you do this. but what i do know from my own taxes is the government is extremely efficient of taking money away from you. so it should be equally efficient handing it out if
they put their mind to it. >> brilliant. on the other side of the coin to advocate making rich, we get with poor people, you want to make rich people less comfortable. >> yes dave i want to make rich people uncomfortable. you see i think one of the things that's dividing us as a nation is there is a tremendous envy of the very wealthy. it did not used to be that way. american wealth used to be far more unfairly distributed back in the days of the rockefellers and so on. then it is today. but, rich people or not and beat in the same way because rich people were all dressed up there and starchy collars, starchy high collars, women had to or bustles they were brocade and crinoline and all
the rest of the stuff. >> why the hell did women wear, what was the point of a bustle? to make your butt look enormous, why? what is it a pre-kardashian smuggled the kardashian's answer that question. throughout all right. it was about enhancement before plastic surgery had made its way to miami. >> i get it. >> please go on. >> women were mowing so much close they might as well bid and brocade burqas. he had to wait to eat dinner until it was 8:00 o'clock at night before you could have dinner. you had, you had all of these stupid, even the rich people were trying to have fun it was terrible like the drowning and their yachts, this get there next broken on their polo ponies. they are out walking around the middle of nowhere hitting things with a stick in a
stupid game called golf. and people were single woke, whoa, no thanks to that. they never get to knock the bunk out of a beer, dancer polka, and have some fun with the rest of us do. so nowadays you get these ultra rich people, richer probably than the rockefellers ever were. you've got like jeff zuckerberg wearing his underwear in public. you wonder if his mom still sows the little name tag in for when he gets sent to summer camp. you got jeff bates owes in his bomber jacket going around. according to backstreet boys or something. you got elon musk smoking dope on a podcast or wherever dhec he was doing that. this looks like way too much
fun. it makes the rest of us angry. i think everybody within network should have to wear top out at all times. >> even the winning? >> even the women. should have to worry topic. doesn't anything for income equity it's a great snowball target. make the facebook guy where a bustle. >> okay one of things it is always annoyed me about you is a competing humerus, you seem to know a lot. seems to have read everything. looks like your house is on fire. [laughter] >> which is since you are in
new hampshire required to put it out you read a lot. it's good for your writing you read a lot. you. reporter: though for this book 1984. and you read a fascinating observation about 1984. which is that in 1984 being asked to, the government is and appealing controlling the minds of the people of the people. you have a different take on the situation today. telescreens thing, the false history getting stuff done that memory hole. in the novel 1984 in the real world of 2020 we are doing it to ourselves. we are going out and spending
our own money to buy these telescreens and track our every move. incidentally, not working on my smart phone which has been in my cufflink drawer since the beginning of the pandemic. >> you don't use a smart phone? >> i don't. i did, but i don't anymore. couple advantages, smoking in public, no smartphones, a couple of advantages to being housebound. i intend to take those advantages. >> host: 's or do you have any kind of a cell phone? >> i do but i'm not use it since march. >> is that even legal to not use a phone? >> i know it's about people doing it to themselves. not only that but when i do
have the smartphone charged up, all i do is make phone calls audit. >> what you use it as a telephone? >> i use it as a telephone. and that is all i use it for. no features. i know how to text but it takes about 15 minutes to text okay. i have just big fat arthritic phones. >> that is what leads me to it my -- i think i arty know what your answer will be, what you say about social media which is really who sighed he wasn't to make sure that every idiot in the world is in touch with every other idiot? you add that social media allows us all, no matter how wrong we are about political issue to find a large enthusiastic group of people who are even longer. i've been to ask you given that and i think that is brilliant, are you on social media? but if you don't have a phone. >> no i'm not.
i believe my publisher maintains a facebook site for me. and what they put up, i think they put up something once per book. i have never visited it, i've never seen it. i have never viewed or used social media except my publisher insists that i tweet a few years back. they insisted this was like the last book i should be out there on twitter. i found it was having one more extra daily task to do. all done for the day be ready for an adult beverage of been hard at it all day. writing my phony baloney takes and what is going on, pretending to have read stuff. stuff that keeps a writer busy. and it is the end of the day. and dammit you've got to put out some tweets.
yet the think up something clever to say. and possibly this will be, you will remember you have to do this after the adult beverage or two or three adult beverages. more or less ensuring that you put something out there which is at best misinterpreted or perhaps even worse correctly interpreted. i will blow the lid off your entire career, no platforms for the rest of your life or whatever you do. you will be canceled will be part of cancel culture. >> the commander-in-chief of our armed forces, leader of the free world manages to find time despite all the duties to tweet many times per day. >> when i can do nothing but admire him. i'm so glad he does that. i'm so glad that i wonder if joe biden is not paying for
his twitter account. [laughter] the only really good campaign for joe biden being run at the moment is on donald trump's tweets. i also wonder if the -- of donald's underwriting different store routings and statue pulling snout. i was the only effective campaign being run for donald trump at the moment two. i wonder if these guys are trading off okay joe, if you do my tweets i will do your pulling statues of robert elite. >> the kind of run out of statues lately think. it had pulling down statues of people you never heard of. there goes america's. [laughter] spinning did they get semester
sloan yet? i don't know parts direct that one could go. i will help with that. >> gave a nude i were out in the streets, hiding in the streets back in the 60s, i think we never tore down statues because we were liberal arts majors. we did not have enough mechanical engineering know-how. we would go over and tried to talk the statue down. we would imagine the statue. >> we levitated the way we levitate the pentagon. >> we are nearing the end of our time. i went to to you to talk generally if you would about an issue that i think, what to say we are humor professionals you and i. we know people in the human world. humor and a time of willfulness. when careers get destroyed
left and right. not yours and mine i don't think we are important enough. >> there are people whose careers have been destroyed. and there are young people who are afraid. i know this because i have talked to them. they are just afraid to make jokes or think about making jokes right or thinking about thinking about making jokes. the chilling effect is real. what he think about that? >> i think it actually just gives us more material is what i think. not that i've been in any danger to make fun of things we pointed out trump present his difficulties in that department. and his lots of fun to make fun of. does this kind of like muzzle kid? yeah i think it does.
judging by my sons, the day school that he goes to. yeah. everybody is like walking on eggshells about everything all the time. but that is good training for being married. [laughter] >> what is going to happen? when these kids that are in high school and college are being told you can't do this you can't do that you can't make fun of this, when they get out who's going to provide the incredibly valuable service to society? >> it will turn into a joke. as all previous puritanism is dead. it's a kind of puritanism about that we grew up within the 50s turned into a joke in the 60s. the stuff going on now will turn into a joke by the end of this decade. things move faster nowadays if not sooner.
so they are just setting themselves up. the self righteous are always setting themselves up to be hit in the face of the cream pie of one kind or another. >> you think that is what's going to happen? >> yeah, yeah. >> it's not going to become 1984. >> no. it is too silly. [laughter] >> anything you want to add that i did not get out about "a cry from the far middle"? people understand about that is that he is not only
humorous, but he is a trained professional observer. he is one of america's great reporters. i consider your peace will new york city survive? to be perhaps the single best should be taught in everyday school. it is a single best peace of reportage. we hired the helicopter price vent that was the best. with the newspaper business we know when it was at its pinnacl pinnacle. 1987 when a photographer named chuck bailey and i of $8000 to take a picture of a garbage barge just so we could make new york look bad. i had like breakfast, a dollar three, lunch 450, helicopter $8000. in the miami herald layout no problem. and like today that is the entire.
>> guest: just about the same time i charge esquire magazine 10,000 dollars for learjet fuel. >> your expense reports, you traveled. >> i had some beauties at them absolute beauties. not getting shot five hunter books. there is one bit in that peace , there's a fabulous photograph of a drunk guy with a bottle of moscatello next to this disgusting wall. the caption was new york city commissioner of making sure everything is covered with graffiti to the uniform height of 7 feet. it takes a well deserved break. [laughter] that is been in my mind all these years. that is when new york was new york. it's getting back there. it's getting back there and there's hope. >> anyway pgo work you are a
national treasure buried your book is a wonderful "a cry from the far middle", everyone should get that book and read that book and vote for pgo worker president of the united states. wish she would do that but he won't. but that's one more reason to vote for the members back right, right, so effective i miss seeing you i hope to see it in person again soon. >> come on back down and sing with me. >> pj is a singer. [laughter] >> you're watching book tv on c-span2 every weekend with the latest nonfiction books and authors. the tv on cspan2. created by american cable television company. today we're about brought to buy these television companies. as a public service. extremism of george washington university talked with the threat posed by american
supporters of isa spirit hears a portion of that discussion. >> isis had a message on a product. flipped a switch for american home grown radical extremist. they were drawn to that idea that we did see a push on that aspect of it. there's a difference between al qaeda and isis is not only the message of the product but the people. isis had the ability and time and space to reach out systematically to americans and groom them over the course of weeks and months to encourage them. and think of it case in upstate new york where a man on sadat he was reaching out to another man with some mental health issues about the need to commit an attack on a nightclub in upstate new york, right? this is an individual who i think without sue dottie whispering in his ear probably would've gone a different way. where as al qaeda would put the message out a megaphone effect. throw it out there and hope it
sticks. these guys were much more of a 101 intervention trying to push the message. back to watch the rest this program visitor website booktv.org. use the search box at the top of this page should look for seamus hughes or the title of his book, homegrown. >> i'm excited to be here for the book in a different fashion. i am your host, i am also a writer, i do a lot of things in my everyday life. i'm excited to be here having this conversation with these incredible working working in tech their exception and their experiences. i like to start the session by talking to amy. when you sign up for the session i'm sure you heard that i'm material science and a science writer. she has written this incredible book if you have not seen the cover yet. it is a great read.