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bureau, the use of neck restraint and policies.
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minneapolis police policy five -- 311, correct? >> yes. >> exhibit 224. in front of you there. >> yes. >> there are all the different policy draws a difference between a toehold and neck restraint, correct? >> yes. >> a chokehold is on the front obstructing or including the trachea and airway, correct? >> yes. >> that's considered lethal use of force or sudden use of force? >> yes. >> high rate of death, right? >> correct. >> dangerous? >> yes. >> differentiates between chokehold and neck restraint. >> yes. >> neck restraint specifically defined as compressing one or
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both side of a person's neck with an arm or leg without applying direct pressure to the trachea for airway, agreed? >> the policy, i think it's important to note moderate pressure. >> understood. light to moderate pressure. >> i'm assuming you don't have a degree in physics? >> i do not. >> in terms of the amount of pressure or force that was applied to mr. floyd, he would not be qualified. >> agreed. >> it differentiates between conscious and unconscious neck restraint, right? >> yes. >> just neck restraint is where you have someone who's resisting you and you apply the neck restraint in an effort to simply gain control of that person.
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>> yes. >> in an unconscious neck restraint is where you render the subject unconscious. >> yes. >> both were committed under minneapolis police policy may 25, 2020. >> yes. >> ultimately if i understand the opinion you formed, you formed the opinion that this was the neck restraint. >> yes. >> you also formed the opinion that this was an unconscious neck restraint, correct? or excuse me, conscious neck restraint. >> yes. >> you've testified on direct
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examination that it is contrary to the training you received to place your neck or knee on a subject's neck? >> clarify, contrary our training to indefinitely place your knee on a handcuffed individual for a definite period of time. >> so the issue you take with it is the length of time? >> the issues in one of those again, as you noted, receiving the information, is the present a threat to the officers or others? what is the severity of the crime are you reevaluating and assessing a person's medical condition, critical thinking is
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key in terms of why i disagreed this would be appropriate use of force. >> when we talk about the critical decision-making model, that critical decision-making model doesn't only apply to a specific subject under your control, correct? >> talking about the bystanders? >> leave the microphone fact is a little annoyed. >> yes, i'm talking about bystanders, other officers, other things that come into play in terms of the officers decision-making. >> apologize, rephrase the question. >> when an officer is engaged in use of force, i'll just visit yes or no, your attention is not
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exclusively necessarily focused on the subject of whom they have in custody? agreed or disagreed? >> the officer engaging use of force maybe you and other matters. >> correct, in fact, that's what the de-escalation model talks about is looking at things from tactical advantage or disadvantage, agreed? >> portions. >> specifically in the policy, de-escalation has to be applied assuming it's faced to do so, right? >> yes. >> all other tactical considerations, agreed? for the policy. >> yes in terms of that decision-making, and officer is not the singular decision-making
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process happening in the course of an arrest, agreed? >> yes. >> an officer has to be concerned about other things known to him at that time, agreed? >> yes. >> some of those things would not just be happening between the subject a few minutes ago? >> yes. >> i thought with the subject a few minutes ago, i thought with this person a few minutes ago and now seems to not be resisting but that doesn't mean he can't resist again, right? >> yes. >> even if handcuffed, right? >> yes. >> so even if he is handcuffed, someone could still -- agreed? >> in general, yes. >> someone who is handcuffed can be equally a threat to an officer as someone who's not handcuffed to knock yes.
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>> they can spit, bite, they can do all sorts of things, right? >> yes. >> now in terms of the use -- i just want to make sure you formed the opinion that this was an unconscious neck restraint, he is? >> it was a conscious neck restraint. >> okay. now again, this whole de-escalation officers have to take into consideration the safety of the crowd, right? >> yes. >> they have to take into account the reactions of the crowd whether they are angry or hostile or simply watching? >> yes. >> it's all part of the critical decision-making. >> yes. >> they have to be a route of their surroundings generally speaking, being on a busy street versus a park.
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>> yes. >> different decision to go into that. >> yes. >> knowing that i have other officers in place and may be at risk as well, right? >> yes. >> there's lots of -- the critical decision-making model is not singular in its application. >> correct. >> lots of information coming in rapidly. >> yes. >> i'm going to show you first -- and i believe by stipulation or without objection i'm going to play a few minutes or see a few seconds of ms. frazier's facebook video. at this time at offer exhibit -- [inaudible] permission to polish. >> received, you may publish.
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>> on way to posit here, sorry. this appears to be the time, the picture shown to you earlier, exhibit 19, this is the general time frame the picture appears to be taken from. >> yes -- was that a question? >> this appears to be the image shown, the static exhibit 19, right? >> yes. >> officer chauvin, mr. floyd, and officer tou thao? >> yes. >> it shows the perspective of his frazier's phone?
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[background noises] chief, are you familiar with the concept of camera perspective bias? >> i am not. >> now again if i may take that on, steve relation me show the same timeframe, exhibit 1019, the same perspective from mr. king's body cameras. i often 1019. >> objection tonight seen. 1019 is received.
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[background noises] it appears to be the same timeframe? >> yes. >> last, chief, i'm going to show one last video. we can take this down. exhibit 1020, a side-by-side of the two. >> any objection? >> no objection. >> 1020 is received. >> permission to publish?
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pardon? [background noises] just started over. [background noises] you would agree, chief, that from the perspective of ms. frazier's camera it appears officer chauvin snee was on the neck of mr. floyd?
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>> yes. [background noises] >> sorry, i didn't mean to do that. [background noises] would you agree from the perspective of officer kings body camera it appears officer chauvin snee was more on mr. floyd shoulder blade?
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>> yes. >> i have no further questions. [background noises] [background noises] >> thank you, your honor. let's start with what you saw and testified in that particular moment in time reviewing officer kueng or former officer kueng's body worn camera, it appears at that moment in time that the knee of the defendant was more toward the shoulder blade, is that right?
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>> correct. >> not the time for the amulets had already arrived? >> yes. >> shortly before they loaded mr. floyd onto the gurney. >> correct. >> in your view, was the body worn camera footage everything you reviewed prior to testifying today, did you see the defendant knee anywhere but the neck of mr. floyd up until that time? >> that is correct. >> to the knee of mr. -- the defendant was on mr. ford's neck up until the time you just pointed out? >> yes, i will view the video portion, that is the first time i've seen me and the defendant on the shoulder blade. >> that was right before the paramedic came? >> correct. >> looking at and talking about neck restraints policy, show exhibit 17, please.
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[background noises] >> looking at exhibit 17, did your testimony that exhibit 17 is not a trained mpd neck restraint? >> correct, that is my testimony. >> i'd like you to reflect on the exhibits you were shown by defense counsel exhibit 1019 and 1020, the 102nd clip. during that period of time, much later in the time we see here, did you see any indication that mr. floyd was actively
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resisting, that term is defined as minneapolis police department policy? >> it did not, i did not observe mr. floyd to actively resist during that time. >> did you in the same time period, any indication mr. floyd being actively aggressive during that 102nd clip you were shown? >> no, i did not observe mr. floyd to be actively aggressive in that video clip. >> did you say he was passively resisting at that time you were shown in the exhibits? >> no. as i saw the video, i didn't even know if he was alive at that time. [background noises]
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>> this is a little bit of the testimony on cross-examination about the use of mrt and if i am to understand your testimony, you indicated that hobble is a strap used to connect the handcuffed person, their waist, arms and legs to restrain. >> correct. >> what i thought i heard you say in response to questioning by counsel was that you can do and mrt effectively without using a hobble when you do the same thing with your hand. >> that's correct. >> as i understand in your testimony to essentially be that's what the officers were doing, essentially using maximal restraint technique and not using the hobble? >> correct. >> pursuant to departmental
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policy, the hobble is the only authorized use, the only authorized ways to employ the restraint technique? >> correct. >> are you aware the hobble requires a supervisor to report to the scene? >> yes. they need to be at the scene to report. >> that would be away if the hobble wasn't used? >> that sort of technique again for an individual handcuffed, you're basically doing it and because of the severity mr. floyd, you would contact supervisor. >> and aside from that and if you use mrt, you're supposed to adhere to departmental policy, is that right? >> correct. >> the minneapolis departmental policy use require an officer to
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do it as soon as the mrt is applied? >> again, because of the severe nature of making sure the individual can brief, they have to get the individual to recovery position to make sure their airway is not obstructed so that is paramount. >> that is required by policy side recovery position is supposed to be instant, is that right? >> immediate. >> you indicated it has to do with breathing, who are familiar with the term positional is 60? >> i am. >> is one of the dangers of leaving them in a prone position handcuffed for too long? >> yes. as i mentioned, you cannot transport people in that position if they are handcuffed with this pressure around their airway or back, the risk of potential for them, it's killing them so the recovery position is
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critically important. >> i want to follow up on some of the questions about your own personal training and different officers in different roles within the minneapolis police department, different officers can attend other types of training, is not right? >> yes. >> everybody is required to do in-service training. >> correct. >> regardless of where somebody trained, the rules are the rules, right? >> yes. >> policy applies to all officers? >> yes. [background noises] >> the question was posed regarding critical decision-making model, they need to take in information and that
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is true, correct? >> yes. >> we are looking at proper authorized use of force under apartments of policy, is it fair to say the amount of force an officer can use depends upon the content of the subject, the person upon who the force is being used? >> yes. >> for example if you had me and let's say a dangerous hold, would you be able to continue to keep me in the dangerous hold based on something somebody else is doing? >> if you could explain that further. >> for example, if you found me and placed me in a hold that is dangerous but something you see, the judge picks up something to throw at me, with that justify
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you using more force on me? >> no. [background noises] in terms of de-escalating the crowd, you indicated there's some potential about the need to de-escalate a group of people, is that right? >> yes. >> a group of people can experience something they may find shocking or upsetting and that can place them in an emotional state, is that right? >> correct. >> you may need to turn your attention to and the escalate the crowd? >> yes. >> one way, if we could show exhibit 18, would one way to de-escalate the crowd experiencing something shocking,
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stop doing the things that is shocking them? >> absolutely. >> i have nothing further. [background noises] >> just one question, there are certain circumstances where an officer has to raise situation, evaluate until they can decide the safest way to move forward. sometimes you just have to hold the person, correct? >> yes. >> that's something that happens fairly frequently. >> yes. >> one other question with respect to the policy regarding maximal restraint technique and putting a person, in the recovery position, he said it was immediate, agreed?
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>> as soon as you are able to do so, yes. >> that is what the policy says, as soon as you're able to. >> yes. >> there are certain circumstances on which you may use force where the force has to be dealt with before you turn your attention to rendering medical aid, right? >> just, are we still talking about somebody in the recovery position? generally. >> can you repeat? >> certain circumstances where use of force needs to be continued for some reason to deal with something else before you can render medical aid let me give an example. we are in a gun battle. you and i are shooting at each other, you're the cop and i am the bad guy and you hit my partner. i'm going to continue to use my force against you before i render medical aid.
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>> and i give a hypothetical? >> briefly. >> sometimes it's unnecessary thing to hold the person safely? >> correct. >> nothing for the. >> thank you so much. [background noises] [background noises]
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[background noises] [background noises] >> next witness, please. [background noises] >> the seat calls katie blackwell. [background noises]
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>> testimony will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> i do. >> if you wouldn't mind taking off your mask, state your full name spelled your name. >> katie murray rockwell. >> thank you, your honor. good afternoon. >> how are you employed? >> minneapolis police department. >> what is your current position? [inaudible] >> how long have you been inspector of fifth precinct? >> since january 31 this year. >> what was your immediate rank
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and assignment. >> commander of training division. >> i'd like you to tell the jury about yourself first, could you tell us about your educational background in law enforcement? >> my two-year associate degree in law enforcement. my four year bachelor degree is in science at st. mary's university. my bachelors is in public safety administration from st. mary's university and undergraduate of northwestern. the most complete two-year course in the u.s. equivalent to masters. >> in addition to be police officer, your the minnesota national guard? >> i am. >> what rank? >> major. >> for the other initiated, can you describe where that falls within the ranks of the
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enlisted? >> not. >> how long have you been in the minnesota national guard? >> twenty-three years. >> you were deployed? >> through iraq operation iraqi freedom. >> thank you. >> can you tell the jury when you begin your law enforcement career with minneapolis police department? >> 1999, i work with the second precinct response team in the neighborhood i grew up in. narcotics related alcohol related and in 2000, i became a committee service officer, assigned to the fourth precinct. in 2002 of the game police officer and worked first precinct, second precinct and third, closely 91 respond patrol
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and worked for first precinct and third precinct unity response team, i did narcotics related investigations and i did a task force, violent crimes we work. in 2012, i was promoted to sgt. why worked investigations and forth precinct patrol supervisor and first precinct supervisor mostly overseeing 911 response and response teams and foot patrol and then i went through the assault unit and violent criminal investigation team primarily investigating and cold case homicide and homicide detective and then i was promoted in december 2019 to the rank of lieutenant and in that time i was a swat negotiator team for seven years.
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then i was assigned to the training division to create leadership special development program, through the department and i took on field training officer program, i was promoted to commander in training april 142019 or oversaw the athletic, the lease economy in-service training, overseeing subject matter of the medical support team range patrol operations, crisis intervention team and use of force team. recruitment, 911 call center. >> thank you. as a person in command of the training center, are you familiar the basic curriculum offered during that time. he oversaw the operations.
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>> i was. >> for you also familiar with various components to provide training at the center? >> yes. >> before we get into a more thorough description of the training center, i need to ask if you're familiar with an individual how are you familiar with that person? >> we worked on the same shift. >> prior to becoming a police officer? >> correct not you've known this personally person approximately how long? >> twenty years. >> do you recognize garrett chauvin in the courtroom today? >> i do without please describe what he's wearing. >> navy blue suit. >> made a rough the record reflect the witness identified the defendant. >> you and the defendant have worked for the police department contemporary and is the for nearly 20 years.
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>> correct. >> when you came into the police department, did you go through training? >> i did. >> describe the process. >> sixteen week police academy went through everything from we learned policy procedure, investigation, defense of tactics, use of force, a lot of scenarios we had to pass. a wide curriculum, basically anything pertaining to the job. >> after completing the classroom and practical portion of the academy, what was the next step? what is the next up after the practical actions has the academy? >> the field training, 526 months long as training and
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officer. >> then after you completed that, you were able to get your first assignment? >> correct. >> i'd like you to describe first generally, the training center, where is it located next within minneapolis. >> the heart training center is a former elementary school on the north side of minneapolis and its several classrooms we use for training as well as a gym if you have to do in practical exercises. >> of the commander level. >> it is. >> describe currently or at least at the time, let's say 2020, when you are overseeing, how was it staffed with different positions at the training center? >> there's multiple units on the special operations center, the training facility. for training we had full-time instructors, use of force
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instructors, patrol operations, medical support team, civilian support staff, to support staff members. i don't know if you want me to go through your range -- >> i do. how many. >> what areas? >> one oversaw preservice and another one oversaw use of force programs in our range and the other one oversaw our leadership professional department programs and assessment center, we each had individual specialties, things that they oversaw. >> whose lieutenant over the fence detectives training? >> lieutenant john. >> what happened during preservice training now?
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>> preservice is the police academy, we have two different police academies that recruit and record the program so currently, it has changed a little bit since last year but 18 and 19 week police academy they go through that they had passed before they could enter until there training program so a lot of use of force defensive tactics. they train on scenarios, de-escalation, crisis training. ... >> during in-service training. >> you just get more of it.
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>> one moment, your honor, if i may. [inaudible]. thank you your honor. those fair to say that the training that is offered up in the academy, is just an extended version of more thorough version of what is offered and in-service. correct pretty in-service would focus more on classroom training there's a curriculum has been developed by the tactic instructors a team that right pretty. >> yes pretty. >> powerpoint recitation often and in going over the rules. in minneapolis police department all policies that right pretty. >> correct. >> for the in-service where as the academy the void go through that same some of the same concept materials but in a more extended way pretty. >> yes pretty. >> he also mentioned in the training, and the program in
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order to have the field training program more coming up field training officers the right pretty correct. it. >> and sometimes i'm sorry, field training officers need to be aware of what the people in preservice are doing as far as what they're learning get to tactics is that right pretty. >> aspirated. >> so is it true that sometimes in the training the officers will receive defensive tactics for example, just the same as some other increase of his training and what is the purpose of making sure field training officers are aware of what that training is in preservice pretty. >> how we evaluate and recruit officers on the street. >> and with the was the defendant it's field training officer pretty. >> he was predict. >> you know for how long pretty. >> i do not know off the top of my head pretty. >> you select him as a field training officer.
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[inaudible]. [inaudible]. you mentioned a variety of different courses they're taking training that is provided is the workforce center. it is important to keep records of that training. >> it is very important pretty. >> why is that. >> because the soda peace officer's standard training to require up to complete so much training for the continuing education over the course of a few years and that training has to be enforced and the weapon qualifications, the mental health crises procedural justice, and 15 hours roughly the 48 hours has to be in compliance with minnesota. so keeping those records, they are critical to make sure that we can bring them, there can be an audit on them pretty. >> and you rely on this records
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in order to make these reports that you have qualified officers on her staff is that correct pretty. >> correct pretty. >> in the ordinary course of your business and the police department pretty. >> yes printed. [inaudible]. [inaudible]. >> at this time i would like to show the witness only, exhibit 203 for identification. >> all right let me take a look at exhibit 203 and i will ask you to go through some of the pages that the witness can examine. are you familiar with these records. >> i am pretty these are
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training records we tracking a reports record system and we maintain these records each officer has to sign in the morning or the afternoon and then our coordinator will upload these into the files so we can keep keep track of the training survey didn't make the training they can make it up. and any training that they have on duty. >> so i like to go back to the last page to the witness. do you see this particular workforce record it goes back to 2003, plays that. >> that is when the workforce director started i believe. summa prior to that there was different system pretty. >> paper pretty. >> and how long of this retained. >> soap, inner - >> hello dear after retained those records pretty. >> seven years. so once we have them, some of
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the training and itineraries are put out on paper caffreyare generally archived within the city as a location for seven years predict. >> so these are the records we have available for this particular order are individual going back to 2003 that right pretty. >> aspirated. >> as exhibit 203, the defendants training records. is that the training records pretty. >> yes it is pretty. >> i'm offering in the 203. permission to publish. it so i like to if we could just scroll up and highlight this first record. and you can see these records are organized in a way that
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generally labels and gives various dates and then there's a start date and end date and the and in the total number of continuing education credits that are logging is that right pretty. >> yes. >> i want to backup to these records. [inaudible]. let's take a look at what is labeled it here and 2019 annual training that section there.
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[inaudible]. so you see these records that in 2019 in-service training it refers to phase three. what is the annual in-service training. >> so this the pre- stages of the training, the first phases two days of in-service training approximate 14 to 16 hours from january and roughly 2000 people in phase two shotgun qualification medical training and in that year. [inaudible]. is kind of the beginning of the summer months to the end of the summer months and then phase three is our fault in-service training and same thing, usually today's a different creek on but we mandated to do and the chief wants us to do it or that we are trying to do, to the professional development courses. >> so regardless of the specific trainer, if an individual is
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taking phase three, 2019, annual in-service training, should they be learning the same thing on that particular date as anyone else that someone taking phase three training pretty. >> of the shouldn't have predict. >> if you couldn't zoom out again. down to 2018. fto. that's the next page. [inaudible]. here you see 2018, fto training program. it is field training officer, >> is this a train the trainer program? >> yes from the fto coordinator and myself as fto lieutenant at the time put on that training and brought in a variety of different instructions to teach us that class.
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>> and what is taught at fto training? >> so that was almost 40-hour course and it was a primary emphasis on leadership critical decision making model, effective recruit observation performance report really. so the fto are taught the fto manual and giving tip on adult -- adult learner, and we do some scenarios in there where they debrief using model and defensive tactics and component siof human resources that came n as explain what the dos and other jobs are as field training officer and we were trying to make sure that they understood what they were taught because they're going to evaluate them out and see what officer has. >> if i understand your unked your prior testimony, is that the tactic in use of force is
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something that's traineds every year during the regular inservice is that correct? >> correct. >> so for example in 2018, the defendant would have bfn instructed in proper use of force at least twice right once during this 2018fto training program once during regular inservice. >> correct. >> and if we can i would like to at this time just to the witness, to charade exhibit 275. exhibit 275 does that appear to be a handwritten record like a sign-in roster for a particular course? >> it is. >> the particular course includes patroll apps an taught in the academy and defensive tack techs is taught in the economy is that right? an>> correct.
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and second name does that epa to be the name of the defendant? >> it is. doesme exhibit 275 indicate that the defendant did receive november 30, 2018 a block of defensive tactic training as taught in the economy? >> yes. >> offer exhibit 275. >> no objection. >> 275 is received. permission to publish. >> and if you could highlight this portion -- >> you can see the number of training hours here was 8 is that right? >> correct. so that would have been between divided between patrol in the defensive tactics as taught in the economy. >> yes. >> again the purpose is that person can be effective field
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training officer know what the trainee or cadet and recruits in preservice is that right? >> yes. >> if we can go back then to -- to all three. she'll go to certain page, two of seven -- where it says 2018. this one. if you can highlight that please. >> oh. it is up for me -- did it just quit? it did i'm sorry permission to publish.
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highlight that section, please. and just to define some here you see it says 2018 shotgun and cit training is that right? >> yes. seven hour block -- >> h correct. >> and cit what does that stand for? en>> crisis intervention trainig to deescalation mental health awareness. >> you also see there's a training indicated for procedural justice and narcan training in 2018, correct? >> yes. >> and on the crisis intervention training, this one is a fairly short crisis intervention training block is that right? >> correct. they switched days so one group would go to qualify and other group would ncit and flip-flop after lunch. >> but the original crisis
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intervention training block or modelin is thought to mpd offics is longer than seven hours or splitting seven hours. >> yes 40 hours this is just a refresher. >> so if you could move to the next stage please. highlight that portion. the one above it too where it starts at cit2016. all right. and so here you see on the defendant's training records it indicates multiple in hour blocks of instruction occurring in november of 2016 is that right? >> yes. >> is that -- show where the defendant attended paid crisis
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intervention training in 2016, the approximate 40. hour course?e? >> 4 it does. >> in addition to if you can take that down please. in addition to the defensive tactic use of force training, does in service training require regular medical or combat lifesaver training? >> they do a million component. >> can you just describe what that training entails. >> sure, so our medical support team consist of a full-time trainer and they have part-time certified paramedics also police officers so they'll perform cpr training, narcan tourniquet and life saving measures asphyxia
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and cover excited delirium opioids things that relate to our job. when we respond to a call so they can better asses the situation when they get there. to be able to render first aid. j you mention the term potentials great lakes. >> yes. >> was your understanding of positional asphyxia. >> not able to adequately breathe. something is interfering with your airway. >> this individual is made in a hand cuffed position face down that could inhibit their ability to breathe and cause positional asphyxia. >> yes. >> what are officers trained or supposed to do to prevent that. >> gone from prone and putting them on side or upright position ppg >> how soon are they supposed to do that prior to or after getting the person under control in the prone position? >> as soon as possible.
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how long have you known about that? >> since my academy training. >>rt known in the department as long as you've been employed in there. >> and your employment overlaps with the defendants is that correct? >> yes. >> is part of the medical training you in addition to the actual how to of providing emergency medical care are officers taught their obligation to provide and render emergency assistance when the circumstances arrive? >> yes. policy as well. training.
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>> you're familiar with the minneapolis critical decision making model? >> i am. >> and that model you've seen the circle all seen the circle now few times. that model is used throughout different portion of the training material is that right? >> yes. >> why is that? >> weia wanted to ensure a lot f experience understand that critical decision making model more experience you have the more you can walk through it. but we found it critical that we could learn it and helping them connect dots with information they were receiving on the scene and working through this. that wheel constantly reassessing using procedural justice in the middle so we wanted king the with our field training on program to debrief and recruits and in service so that after they could reassess situation when they're on scene. >> you said that the critical decision making model was usedte to reassess people qhorp who
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were going through the fto process. >> training officer program they have the seal training after debrief at the time of the committee service officers as lawyers so we have them debrief using that after -- after scenario. >> so going through this steps of taking in information assessing risk, assessing threats, reassessing evaluating goals, and then relating that to the pillars of procedural justice that's something that any field training officer would beoc required to do with the people that they're evaluating. correct? >> correct. >> in your defensive tactics, training, you are not only showing or having officers learn
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sort of nuts and bolts of defensive tactics but also rules of engagement is that light? >> correct. those are contain in the minneapolis police departmental policies is that right? >> yes. >> rules of the rules they apply to everyone they apply to you. they apply to -- recruits. they apply to cadets they apply to people out in field training and experience officers as well is that right? >> correct. >> all right. >> i would like to show you what's been received as exhibit 17. did they ask you officer as you look at exhibit 17, is this a trained technique that's by the minneapolis police department when you were overseeing the training event? >> it is not. >> why not? >> well, according to policy has to be, you know, king the with
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mp intraing and what we are conscience and unconscience so for policy -- neck restraint is compressing one or both sides of the neck using arm or leg and what we train -- is using one arm or two arms to do a neck restraint. >> and how does this differ? >> i don't>> know what kind of position that is. so that's not what we train. >> yeah. if you that i can down. thank you i have no further questions. >> you may --
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[silence] >> good afternoon. i want just a few follow-up questions in>> terms of any in service you see when we look at the exhibit, you see 2020 defensive tactics in service worth eight hour of time. agreed? >> correct. >> now in that course of about eight hours officers may go through multiple trainings during that eight hour time. right? >> correct they rotate through things. >> they can are a rotate through different. >> one within that eight hour time frame may get human factors of force or may get an hour long course on handcuffings techniqueses.. it varies within each of those eight hour time frames, right? >> correct.
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>> now have you maintained a list that shows -- 2020 these are the classes that occur during those eight hours? >> we have. >> okay. >> have you provided that list to response to search warrant that was executed at the police department? >> yes. >> now in terms of the defensive training tactics were any of these continuing education classes there were officers that train these classes and multiple officers may appear during that eight hour time. multiple trainers, right -- >> yes they have part-time trainers. >> so maybe one person will teach the again, the human factors and someone may else train on crisis interventions. and multiple instructors.
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right? >> corrects. >> but a lot of the instructors will use materials from past construct tores or take combinations of thing they'll just represent it ins a slightly different format right? >> at too manies yes. >> and just for the record i want to ask you, you were served with minneapolis police department served with search warrant requesting all of the training materials for four involved officers in this case. >> correct. >> these are some materials from academy, some materials that were from in service, just a variety of different records, right?er >> correct. >> some 30,000 pages, perhaps? >> thousands, yeah. >> i have no further questions. >> any redirect? >> no, your honor. >> thank you. [silence]
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the jury we are going take our break for the day. we have a hearing we have to do at 8:30. but i'm still hoping that we can get started by 9:15 so same arrangement as today. thank you. just a reminder don't talk to anybody about the case don't read any media. appreciate your patience. thank you. weft entire trial up to this point on our website, you can watch by i tooing in derek chauvin trial in the video search library box on our home page also available are briefings, counts an senate floor speeches all events available at c-span.org. the trial for derek chauvin former minneapolis police officer charged in the death of
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