tv Day 7 of Trial for Derek Chauvin Accused in Death of George Floyd CSPAN April 7, 2021 11:45am-12:08pm EDT
[inaudible]. [inaudible]. >> we are going to take a 20 minute break. 115. thank you. [inaudible]. >> the defensive attorney eric nelson continuing to interview jody stiger on the eighth day of the trial of derek chauvin in the death of george floyd on mae judge say they will take a 20 minute break or so so that will be shortly after the noon eastern and we expect them to return. until the due we will show you some of the testimony from day seven, yesterday in minneapolis.
[inaudible]. >> to swear or affirm the truth and nothing but the truth. [inaudible]. >> if you feel comfortable, we prefer you take your mask off. and before we begin, can you hand me that. [inaudible]. >> if you could begin by giving us your full name and the spelling. nicole m ac k en zip. >> i'm employed by the minneapolis police department
pretty about six years. >> what is your current roll there pretty. >> i am a police officer pretty. >> given specific duty pretty. >> i do predict on the medical coordinator for the front desk. >> now before we talk about that, i would like you to share a little about yourself with the jury predict how long have you been a police officer in law enforcement. >> i been in law enforcement for about six years,. >> you give occurred prior to going into law enforcement pretty. >> yes and human resources pretty. >> what is your educational background. >> i'm an associate degree in a bachelors degree in business and an empty and i also have my law enforcement certificate on them also emr instructor. >> he worked in human resources, was your original plan. and how long have you wanted to be a police officer. >> actually it was something that i had always wanted to do predict a just kind of talk
myself out of it one way or another but eventually found my way back. >> can you please tell the jury how you entered law enforcement as you go through the economy pretty. >> yes. as a cadet which the department sponsored the education component to make me eligible for the exam in the state of minnesota pretty. >> how long of a that pretty. >> i think about nine months total pretty. >> and he completed the end classroom portion of the academy that you go through field training pretty. >> yes pretty. >> along was a process pretty. >> at the time is about five and half or six months. >> as an officer with the minneapolis police department, are you a millionaire but some of the officers who are also in the department and are you familiar with the name derek
chauvin. >> i am. >> and help. >> he was one of my fellows for one day when i was fto, and intended training in the department. >> and we do recognize him and would you please point to him and describe what is going pretty. >> is in a gray suit. >> i made a record reflect the witness has identified the defendant. >> you indicated that you're the medical support coordinator and could you please describe to the jury what that roll entails. >> this a couple of different components to, primarily education that all of the officers received, i do the training for the economy, both recruits and cadets as well as the in-service which is
continuing ed for all of the current officers and i am also the part of the narcan program that we have and it is the training and administration of pharmaceuticals to use to temporally reduce opioid overdose is pretty. >> it is that something that officers have it available to them. >> yes pretty. >> and you provide the training regarding the use of narcan. >> yes. >> and also you provide medical training at the academy and in services that right pretty. >> correct printed. >> are you root familiar with the requirements from the department in the post requirements for how often officers are supposed to train in medical procedures. >> yes, when you are able to apply for the examination, you do have to have your certification and emergency medical responder. and beyond that, they require
specific focus on the minneapolis police department, continuing education every year of medical related topics. >> so it does not require anything more specific, can you explain that. >> with her educational response part that continuing ed, as long as you've met the minimal number of hours, there are certain that they require you to complete. the winds with the minneapolis police department coming go above and beyond with the require. so that's where we added in extra medical training. >> you do that every year pretty. >> we do printed. >> our police officers required to have the cpr card pretty. >> the card, you are not required to have that. beyond your initial post certification. >> when you're initially you need one pretty. >> correct, that is part of the mr to begin to require to be
eligible to take the post exam. >> and some officers will continue to obtain the cpr card is not right. and it's required to obtain the card pretty. >> it's about a four hour class in a written test in a skilled examination test. >> what is the cover pretty. >> it includes adults cpr in the 80 and since cpr and aed as well as children. >> at this time, i would like to display to the witness, not to the jury, exhibit 277 for identification. if you take a look at the end of the identification of 277, does that appear to be an american heart association cpr card. >> correct. >> is that the type of card that you get if you complete that four hour course you mentioned up rated walls not required for officers to continue them and
those gardens are maintained in the record minneapolis department is that right pretty. >> the full course, we would be the record holder. >> that if we could take a look at exhibit 278. that also appears to be a cpr card just different year pretty. >> correct. >> offer 277 and 278, and received and if we publish to 77 pretty. >> and this appears to be cpr card issued to derek chauvin and march of 2012 through 2014. if we could display exhibit 278. and again the cpr card issued to
the defendant from january of 2014 - 2016 is that right pretty. >> correct. [inaudible]. [inaudible]. >> when you provide the training, the medical training to the law enforcement officers, did that training get forwarded into the workforce system to be able to record post board. [inaudible]. when did you start personally delivering this training pretty. >> since 2017 and i been a full-time position since january of 2020. summa coming times you think that you provided this training to law enforcement officers.
>> specifically, i would say upwards of 20 - 30 sessions rated. >> do you use and slide our power going to do your medical presentation every year. >> we do. >> packager you exhibited 111 - two the witness and the into the jury. >> exhibit 111, do you recognize what appears to be that first part of the slides rated. >> yes. >> if we could turn to the second page of 111, does it appear to have mpd, cpr. >> correct. >> could you deliver personally deliver this slide deck before. >> i have. >> presley how any times pretty. >> from 2019 and my best estimation, probably in the course of maybe, 12 sessions are so maybe 15 sessions that i was
responsible for. >> did the defendant attended any of your sessions pretty. >> i am not sure. >> what you are providing the block of training that everyone consistently back in 2019 pretty. >> correct, i was the instructor here. so theoretically they would all come to my skill station. >> now this time, you can take that down. i'm going to offer it to the 111 pretty. >> 111 issued. >> in general terms, you provide the jury an overview of the specific medical training that you provided to the law enforcement officers. >> for in-service specifically, yes. we do offer a wide variety depending on how any screening sessions will be available to us. but at a minimum, every year we are touching on cpr, and add.
and then in alternate years were going over refresher class on the body cam. that is the minimum standard. if we have more spots available to us, we can added more classes. >> are you aware of the minneapolis police department has a specific policy regarding emergency aid and rendering it and could you please provide the jury a high-level overview of what the policy requires. >> high-level summary, would the policy would be requesting ems reporting to anybody that needs it for anybody who request it and also rendering first aid consistent with your training. >> and as a policy allow you to do one or the other pretty can you just call for the ambulance, to not do the emergency medical procedures. >> it depends on the situation specifically. if there was really no need for
immediate first aid maybe like a small kind of abrasions, there would not be appropriate but it would be appropriate to wait but if it is a critical situation, you have to do both. >> i would like you to walk us through the specific training that you provided and will use exhibit 111 to do so and if you could publish exhibit 111. starting at page six. now let's go back to page one. what are you can you explain page one pretty. >> so this is an image of something taken from the classic movie, dumb and dumber. miss the video clip that we show the very beginning of the training. marlis kind of a lighthearted way to get people who are engaged in the class. >> is not a - all right.
i would like to cover a substance its portion of page six in the portions of the slide that says that the agenda. we you please describe the jury, each of these different portions of the training you provide rated. >> so this block of training was primarily focused on cpr. ... ... >> if you could go to page 21 of
exhibit 111. and for the jury would you please describe that using the slide, , walk us through what specific training to provide minneapolis police department as it pertains to cpr? >> okay. when we are called to the scene where there is some kind of medical situation going on, maybe its illness or injury whatever it happens to be we have a bit of a pneumonic we walk through to make sure we're covering all the basics. when you're encountering somebody that appears to be unconscious we start with an acronym that is called abpu to determine a level of responsiveness and then we work through the abc, airway, breathing and circulation. >> i would like you to then please go to the next page 22. >> could you walk the jury through this assessment tool? >> certainly.
when you're determining somebody's level of responsiveness you kind of walk through this as your model to see where the land. if somebody is alert that means us it is a walk in the room and they spontaneous a look at me i determine that person is alert. i don't need to go any further. verbal would be maybe just kind of yelling toward some try to get their attention come something like that and see if there's going to any verbal stimuli. if you don't get a response there, then you move on to the pain and that would be like something like for instance, you grab like the base of the fingernail, looking for any kind of response somebody normal would pull away from here we're not talking about anything that would cause injury per se but just a little pain stimulus to see if they pull away or something like that here if they don't respond in you determine
the person is unresponsive. >> i would like to talk about come have you talk about the painful stimuli briefly. it sounds like in the assessment tool what the person is doing is going to be applying a painful state was to if the person reacts? >> that's correct. >> is a a possible determine someone's level of responsiveness without intentionally or should i say without inflicting pain for the purpose of checking stimuli? for example, observing whether the person is continuing to react to some kind of painful stimulus? >> can you rephrase that? >> sure. if you came upon an individual who was injured, for example, and crying out for manifesting some paint as a result of the injury but at some point they stop being verbal, stop responding to that pain, that potentially be a sign of nonresponsiveness? >> correct yes.
>> once you determine an individual is unresponsive, what do you do? >> then you walk through the next set of acronyms which is going to be your abc. >> if he could turn to page 21, please and the abcs, that's airway breathing and circulation? >> that's correct. >> and if you go to page 23. >> can you please describe to the jury what you train officers to do based on this slide within exhibit 111? >> after you determine the level of responsiveness if there unresponsive you are going to first address their airway and that means putting them in the most ideal position where the airway can be most in line as possible. >> and then what's the next step? >> tilting of the head slightly
so that, whether you use a head tilt or jaw to open up their airway. the next is checking for breathing and if you don't see chest rise it's a matter of putting a hand on the center of the chest and seeing if there's any air moving up and down. >> what is the next trip? >> the last is circulation. we will be checking carotid pulse right here underneath the jaw. >> are there other places that officers are trained they can use to check for pulse aside from the carotid? >> you absolutely can use the radio here on the risk of alto point on the body where you can check the if this is by far and away the most important. >> what our offices trained to do if they're unable to find a pulse? >> if you don't have pulse on the person you will immediately start cpr. >> now i want you to go back to the concept of checking for
breathing. you indicated you could look for the chest rising and falling, is that right? >> yes. >> do you train officers that, as part of your training do you train officers that if a person can talk, it means they can brief? >> no, sir. >> why not? >> that would be incomplete to say because there is possible, a possibility somebody could be a respiratory distress and still be able to verbalize it. just because they're speaking doesn't mean there breathing adequately. >> all right. getting back to circulation you indicate if the officer cannot find the pulse they are to start cpr is a quick? >> right. >> describe what is done to start cpr. >> to start cpr if you're going to be starting that if you haven't already contacted ems to get them in route you would do that immediately. then it's a matter of just interlocking your fingers, go
center of the chest and then you push down about a third of the depth on a person at the rate of about 100 beats per minute. >> is this something that again, getting back to the mpd policies at the office is trained that they're required to do while they're waiting for the england? >> yes. >> when is the officer supposed to stop cpr? >> when you're been relayed by somebody with higher level of training than you or maybe if there is some obvious signs of death, or if you are, if you been doing for a while if you're absolutely just physically exhausted from doing cpr. >> if you could display page 27 of the exhibit. officers are specifically trained on this? >> correct. >> can be when the subject becomes responsive, wakes up? >> right. >> or someone else takes over or