tv Day 8 of Trial for Derek Chauvin Accused in Death of George Floyd CSPAN April 8, 2021 4:44am-5:53am EDT
correct? >> yes. >> what kind of envelope was it? [inaudible] >> paper size. >> yes. >> did you examine the contents? >> yes. >> do you recall what was in the envelope? >> yes, two bills as well as pipe cigarettes and card. >> the bills, you mean -- >> correct. >> if i could show the witness 198. do you recognize what's depicted in 198? >> yes. >> is this a photograph you took? >> i believe so. >> exhibit 198. [background noises]
>> 198 is received. >> for the jury, please. describe for us was in exhibit 198. >> 229 bills, one is ripped in half. >> these were in the envelope? >> correct elected you have these processed later? >> yes, secret service. >> you also mentioned there was a pipe in the envelope. >> yes, sir. >> could you describe that? class. >> what did you do with the
pipe? >> i secured it in my office and submitted it for analysis. >> when you are doing your job, i want to submit something to the lab, what is the process you go through? >> i take it into the intake portion of our building and i document, note the documentation and submitted into intake. >> two people in the lab do testing there? >> yes. >> while you were at the scene when the two vehicles were still there, did you make arrangements with the vehicles? >> yes, could you describe what you did. >> twin cities towing and asked for two flatbeds to respond to the scene. when they arrived, each flatbed picked up individual squad car
and the men. >> what did you do with them after that? >> when i left the scene i escorted the two flatbeds to headquarters. >> generally, where is the headquarters? >> st. paul, minnesota. >> did you essentially travel with the flatbeds? >> yes. >> when he got the what did you do? >> i and short the vehicles were secured in the crime scene garage in the headquarters. >> why did you do that? >> it's part of it. >> what would you have done the team would process the vehicles. >> they keep them in a secure area where only the personnel that could access them? >> yes. >> did you block them? >> yes, sir. >> from then on, were you aware whether the vehicles were
processed? >> at that time? >> correct where they subsequently processed? >> yes. >> do you recall when that happened? >> may 27. >> this would be the next day. >> yes, sir. >> were you involved in the processing of the vehicles? >> i facilitated portions of it. >> who does the processing of the vehicles? >> the crime scene team. >> the same group that was on the scene? >> yes, kennedy anderson was team lead. >> because you are the case agent, other other agents assigned onto the investigation? >> yes, sir. >> did you for the other investigators locate other security videos. >> yes, sir. >> were you able to obtain additional security camera video's. >> yes, sir.
>> tell the jurors where you got this from. >> one video from cup foods and another from dragon wok immediately across the street. >> your honor, if we could publish exhibit one. do you recognize what's depicted in this photograph? >> yes, sir. >> you noticed the silas down the? he knew circle for the jurors where the two witnesses are where you obtained the videos from? >> the first one is from here and the second one is dragon wok. >> that's where the security cameras were? >> correct. >> the corner of each building? >> correct. >> since you obtained different
security camera video's from those businesses and videos from the officers, did you attempt to determine the timestamps on the various videos are the same? >> yes, sir. >> you said earlier body worn camera videos were consistent and on time? >> yes. >> did you attempt to determine cup foods video timestamp matched up with body cameras? >> yes. >> what did you find? >> cup foods video was 40 seconds ahead of the body worn camera video. >> did you also do the same with respect to the dragon wok video? >> yes. >> what did you find? >> dragon wok video was 24 minutes ahead of the timestamps noted on the body worn footage. >> did you prepare from the same?
>> correct. >> did cup foods provide their video to agents? >> yes. >> did you have to follow a specific progress process? >> yes. >> describe what you did to obtain the video from dragon wok. >> initially they did not comply with the request so agents wrote a search warrant and obtained a copy of the video as well as hard drive. >> so those were obtained directly from the equipment from the dragon wok? >> correct. >> downloaded for use in the investigation? >> correct. >> through the investigation, did you have opportunity to watch the video? >> yes, sir. >> portions of it depicts some of the incidents we've been talking about? yes, sir. >> some of the video, have you also watched a portion of video
we have labeled as exhibit 52? >> yes, sir. >> does not match with the dragon wok video you obtained from the equipment itself? >> yes, sir. >> i offer exhibit 52. >> received. >> publish 52 at this time. [background noises] while this is running, can you tell us again how far off the dragon wok timestamp is from the body cameras? >> approximately 24 minutes. >> fast? >> yes, ahead.
[background noises] okay, you can take that down. >> have you also seen a portion of the video from the dragon wok labeled as exhibit 54? >> yes, sir. >> does not appear to be accurate portion of video obtained from the dragon wok? >> it does. >> offer exhibit 54. >> fifty-four is received. >> i asked that we publish this to the jury, it's about nine minutes long. i'll speak to some of it probably but you can post that. [background noises]
>> you recall by? >> i believed covid restrictions for the medical examiner. >> part of your investigation, a typical to obtain blood samples from the disease? >> yes, sir. >> do know that was then? >> it was. >> you describe? >> peterson, the medical examiner, he brought it back and submitted to the lab. >> just so we are clear, mr. flights blood? >> correct. >> and provided to the lab testing? >> yes, sir. >> at some time in the investigation, did you receive a copy of the autopsy report from the medical examiner? >> yes. >> do you recall when you received that? >> i believe june 4, 2020. >> that included oncology report?
>> yes. >> prior to that, did you have information in the investigation of suspected drug use? >> nothing concrete. >> what was the preliminary information from? >> audio files of the radio traffic. >> did it indicate. >> mr. floyd may have been under some influence of some substance. >> did you know at that time what kind of substance? >> no. >> what form? >> no. >> did you know if drug use was suspected at the scene? >> no, sir. >> i want to forward a bit to december, 2020. was a subsequent request made to conduct further processing.
>> yes. >> do you recall how it came about? >> the prosecutions request. >> what was requested to be done? >> processing of the mercedes-benz, particular focus on specific items to include potential pills. >> what role did you play in the processing in the suv? >> i notified crime scene team, anderson and i was president for that search. >> the vehicle brought back to the garage? >> yes, sir. >> where was it held in the interim? [inaudible] >> where the public couldn't access it? >> correct. >> before is that something done to make sure it's not entered? >> yes. >> yes.
>> describe. >> we sign and date to ensure chain of custody so we know if somebody entered are not. >> when you got the vehicle the mercedes suv back to the garage, did you check conditions of the tape on the doorframe? >> yes. >> where the intact? >> yes. >> did the crime scene team process the vehicle again? >> yes. >> who was involved in the processing of the vehicle? >> mackenzie anderson. >> where you present during the processing? >> yes, sir. >> at some time then was a request made to reprocess the swat card? >> yes. >> how did that come about? >> the defense requested from squad 320 something in the
backseat, a pill and then we facilitated the squad back to the headquarters and processed it in the crime scene garage. >> so the attorney for the defendant has to look at the vehicle? >> correct. >> and that was done where? [inaudible] >> something they identified that prompted further processing? >> correct. >> did they do that to your attention? >> yes, sir. >> did you make arrangements to have 320 processed again? >> yes. >> through anderson. >> brought back to the garage? >> yes. >> were seals in place at that time? >> when i got back to the garage, no. they had been broken from the secure locked with the defense to view. >> so they went inside. >> correct.
>> did the crime scene team then process the vehicle again? >> yes, sir. >> were you present that? >> yes, sir. >> did anderson process the as well? >> yes. >> she will testify later on both those vehicles? >> yes, sir. >> did you also obtain medical records. >> yes, sir. >> did you obtain complete medical records from the facility where it was? >> yes. >> which providers did you obtain medical records from? >> park -- >> county medical center? >> yes. >> there's records may part of the investigation? >> yes, sir. >> incidentally, you yourself have been working on the case, have you been in three 20?
>> yes. >> were you starting it? you know what kind of the squad 320 is? >> i read. >> what does that mean? >> it up right both on gas and alternate. >> opportunities, was the times when the gas engine would not run? >> yes, sir. the first time we attempted to started in the crime scene garage, we turned the vehicle on here the gas engine start. we were a little confused. >> did you figure out. >> yes. >> the battery was running? >> yes. >> you know squat 320 and catalytic converter? >> yes. >> what is the function of a catalytic converter? >> -- [inaudible]
>> prior to coming to court, did you have the opportunity to review video, a composite video? >> yes, sir. >> two separate videos? >> yes, sir. >> did you recognize it as a mix of officer kings body worn cameras? and frasers video? >> yes. >> while watching it, were you able to determine, where they running at the same time? >> yes. >> we offer exhibit 127. [background noises] >> 127 received.
>> what i am going to do is talk about the timing of this video. what you refer you to portions of it so we are not going to watch the whole thing, just specific portions. i asked that 127 be published, we can go to 2019th. the record should reflect that. right now we are at 201917, that's good. agent ryerson at this moment in exhibit 127, as is the approximate moments when mr. floyd is prone on the ground? >> yes. >> when this happened around this time period, i'm going to let this run for about ten
seconds. [inaudible] >> looking at that 102nd portion, were you able to determine approximately where is chauvin left knee? >> it appears it's on the back of mr. floyd neck. >> are you able to determine where mr. chauvin right knee is? >> it appears it's on mr. floyd's back. >> right there at 201928, the hand in the center of the photograph, is that officer chauvin's hand? >> yes. >> wearing gloves? >> yes. >> do you have review, is he wearing gloves on both hands?
>> yes. >> i'm going to speed up to 202045. -- actually, 44. i'm going to let this run for 22nd. [inaudible] >> here at 202055, for the record, we see another video portion within the video, correct? >> yes, sir. >> is your looking at it, the right side of the stream frasers video? >> yes. >> this is what you meant earlier we talked about a composite video? >> correct. >> is there a time during the video that it becomes apparent that mr. floyd stops
verbalizing? >> yes, sir. >> approximately -- if we could then go to 202030 -- 59 so we are at 2358, i asked that you play this for about ten seconds again. [inaudible] get him off the ground, broke. you're being a bum right now. >> all right, so is this the moment in the encounter with mr. floyd and mr. chauvin and mr. floyd appears to stop making verbal sounds, talking? >> yes, sir. >> prior to coming to court, did you have the opportunity to look at defense exhibit 1045 -- 46, 47 and 48? >> yes.
>> i ask that exhibit 1045 placed on the screen, please. can you note for the jurors the timestamp in this exhibit? >> 202332. >> so approximately how long after mr. floyd was put on prone position on the ground did this occur? would help to reflect your recollection? >> placed on the ground at 201918. >> more than four minutes. going back to exhibit 127, is there a time is facebook video,
when it appears mr. floyd longer makes movement? >> yes, sir. >> i'm going to ask you to go to 202458. and -- i'll let this run for about ten seconds. [inaudible] >> you are a bum, broke. you are a bum for that. >> 's is approximately the time when mr. floyd does not appear to make movement? >> yes, sir. >> stop at 22508 and in this photograph, is still portion,
does it appear that mr. chauvin is using his weight to hold mr. floyd down? >> yes. >> i asked to show exhibit 1046. can you tell the jurors the timestamp in this exhibit? >> 202640. >> how long after the time that mr. floyd no longer appears to be moving does this photograph taken? >> approximately seven minutes. >> i'm sorry, from the previous? >> oh, i'm sorry. approximately three minutes. >> so we know the moment where he is not moving, he has roughly 202458? >> correct. >> from that time until this time on this photograph is about how long? >> 1048 --
>> 202458, roughly two minutes. >> yes, two minutes. >> exhibit 1046 portrays a time after mr. floyd appears to stop moving. >> correct. >> are you able to tell from the video when paramedics arrived? >> yes. >> like to go back to 127 then and advanced to 2027 -- record reflect 202718. lay about ten seconds about. >> you are a bum, broke.
[inaudible] >> let's just keep going for about ten more seconds. >> let's go, three minutes, broke. [inaudible] >> there we saw a paramedic walking up. >> correct. >> the timestamp is 202740, correct? >> correct. >> i'm going to toggle back to exhibit 1047. you see the exhibit there? >> yes. >> the timestamp on exhibit 1047, you see that? >> yes. >> also exhibit 1048? >> yes, sir. >> you see the timestamp? >> yes. >> do those two still photos depict a time after paramedics arrived? >> yes, sir.
>> based on your work on the case and review of videos, is there a moment in exhibit 127 -- is there a moment where you think you can see better the placement of officer chauvin's right knee? >> yes, sir. >> i would ask you to go back to 127 at 202843. and what i would like to have you do while it's frozen here on this moment, if we would take
the cursor and illustrate to the jurors where officer chauvin's right knee is. all right, what i would like to do is have the video played. [inaudible] >> we'll stop the video there. were you able to see when he had his right knee on mr. floyd's. >> yes, sir. >> to keep things moving, i think i'll deal with the previous video at a separate time, that's all i have, thanks.
>> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> thank you for being here. so you testified, you are the primary case agent in this particular case? >> correct. >> it's fair to say the investigation into this case was fairly expensive. >> yes. >> you would agree approximately 50 agents were involved in one form or another? >> yes. agents were frequently paired up with agents of the federal bureau of investigation or other law enforcement agencies. >> correct. >> what you agree roughly 25, 26 fbi agents participate in your investigation? >> yes, sir. >> would you agree ultimately the bca executed approximately a dozen search warrants? >> yes, sir.
>> the extent of information gathered, agreed? >> yes. >> a lot of the information is ultimately, it has no bearing? meaning interviews were conducted of people who didn't see anything? >> i believe our investigation was very thorough. >> that's what i am trying to gather, it was more than just watching a few minutes of video from appeasing some things together and interviewing a couple people? >> yes sir. >> in fact, i believe, correct me if i am wrong, roughly 200 citizen witnesses were interviewed? >> yes, sir. >> so when we break down and look at the citizen witnesses, the purpose of any investigation is to gather as much information as possible, right? >> yes, sir. >> to preserve the information
for further review, to determine at a later time if it does or doesn't become relevant to a criminal investigation? >> yes. >> so in terms of ca agents interviewed any witnesses who did not observe, they were not present? >> yes, sir. >> people who live in the area, agent canvas the area, knocked on doors and talk to people at local businesses said i wasn't there at that time, i was somewhere else. >> correct. >> bca agents work hard to identify people may have seen a portion of it from of this incident? >> yes. >> so the agent did would include license plates numbers on cars passing by, looking up registered owners of the cars and going to interview them?
>> yes. >> sometimes people acknowledge being in the area and some say we were there? >> correct. >> there were also witnesses the agents interviewed that provided background information, right? >> yes. >> for example, the owner of the vehicle driven by mr. floyd was not present that day. >> i believe so. >> in your job as we case agent is to sort of quarterback all of this? >> yes. >> other agents receive information, you take and maintain a data file? >> correct. >> every time the agents perform the way the bca works, a new report is generated for that particular task?
>> correct. >> rather than having one officer write a long narrative police report, they write several police reports. >> correct. >> to date, over 400 bca investigative reports have been prepared? >> yes, 440. >> so almost 4150 and some of the reports are being generated now as we speak? >> possibly. >> we just went through this analysis of exhibit compared to other exhibits already presented that's something probably just been today? >> correct, possibly. >> an analysis you did on direct examination you have a police report about that? >> no. >> that's because we were just introduced in court? >> yes, sir.
>> so in addition, this investigation took a lot of different twists and turns? >> yes, sir. >> in part because of all that's going on at the city of the time? >> yes. >> so for example, certain pieces of equipment along to officer chauvin or other involved officers were located in other places? >> correct. >> those investigations turned into this investigation and became part of this investigation? >> yes. >> and because of the profile of this case, the bca maintains? >> correct. >> and it's fair to say a number of citizens calling with information for what they received? >> yes. >> it is their job to follow up on every single one of those pieces of information? >> yes. >> ultimately following up on
the pieces of information oftentimes you can see it's irrelevant to this case or something else or this person may want to share their opinion? >> yes, sir. >> so this investigation has been ongoing essentially may 25, 2020? >> yes, sir. ... ... >> and there were 200 words driven by george floyd and there were to search or consent to search is of the squad 320,
correct pretty. >> yes pretty. >> so i want to be very clear about something that when you talk about the second search of the squad 320, prior to that second defense request right pretty so did squad 320 be secured from effectively may 25th - 26 on the web the way till january. right. yes, sir. >> at the secured storage collection. and no one of the defense could not event access to that unless you are another rep. of the dca was present is that right. >> that is correct. >> it is common for an for the defense attorney to review the cases of intimate evidences that right.
>> yes. brady. >> and that was done in this particular case was it really yes, sir. along with scott miller and, i just want make sure that you are not suggesting that the defense somehow put the pieces of the pills into that squad car. it. >> no sir, i am not suggesting that pretty. >> in fact it would've been the ages who are present on the squad car, correct. >> yes. >> and the defense is not necessarily allowed to do anything to that squad car. >> that is correct. >> supported the overall investigation, surveillance videos and witnesses. including the speedway across the street. >> yes, sir. >> and some are of higher
quality than others. >> that is correct. >> and also people obtaining cell phones as well. >> correct. >> and lots and lots and lots of stuff that happened. >> yes, sir. >> and ultimately, when you first got involved in this case, you had a very limited piece of information right. >> yes, sir. >> that was information from the dispatch, and it was also gleaned from just basic what is called public safety reporting. correct predict correct. >> that individual passed away, normal clinical processes that right pretty. >> correct. pretty. >> in it includes a securing potential evidence.
>> yes, sir. >> and also includes interviewing witnesses is that correct predict. >> correct. predict. >> in the criminal apprehension were followed industry in this particular case. >> yes, sir. >> in the third surge back on may 26th of 2020, you are present when that happened. >> some of the time. >> when another crime scene analyst were taking photographs, and preserving both digitally while keeping the actual - >> yes, photographs. o'brien. >> he was also part of the crime scene. >> yes, sir. >> so again, your job is to investigate the case right. >> yes, sir. >> so did you review those photographs and did you specifically take notes at that
time on the presence appeals in the mercedes. karen and. >> i did not. >> so as not that you didn't not preserve the evidence, you just didn't notice. >> correct. >> and again what you have learned on in this case, you are not necessarily looking for anything of that nature right. >> correct. >> it was to be determined whether it was relevant or not relevant and you testified that you did watch all of that body camera footage. >> yes, sir. >> in terms of the body camera footage in this case, you agreed that in the sense of after this incident, something like eight or ten minneapolis police officers were on the scene right. correct. and they were securing
the scene from roughly 9:00 o'clock in the evening until 3:00 o'clock in the morning. >> correct. >> and all of those minneapolis police officers pursuant to the policy have body worn cameras. >> correct. >> so roughly five - six hours of body worn footage. >> approximately. >> and then there is all of the video, the surveillance video. it takes a lot of time to do this. >> yes, sir. >> in this investigation it would be different than a lot of other investigations with this in terms of the officer involved uses of force. >> in what way sir. >> will this investigation was occurring simultaneously was not. >> yes, sir. >> normally investigation is completed and then prosecuting organization and they review it and they make determinations right.
>> correct. >> the majority of the officer-involved incidents of that you have been involved with, is commonly occurring, right. >> yes, sir. >> so in this case, these were unuseful. >> correct. >> so information in may or june was not known until sometime until november, december, january etc. correct. >> so there had been at changing dynamics in terms of the investigation. >> correct. >> in terms of the videos that you have watched, you said you watch these videos and we need to sort out exhibit numbers of that real quick. but i want to, bring your attention back to exhibit 1.2.
>> yes please. [inaudible]. >> did you observe mr. george floyd's left arm on the ground underneath mr. derek chauvin right knee. >> i believe i did yes. >> and when mr. derek chauvin stood up, mr. george floyd arm sort of came up, right. >> may i again please pretty. >> sure. >> just hit back ten seconds and then start printed. [inaudible]. [inaudible]. >> it is hard. let's try one more time. [inaudible].
[inaudible]. >> can you see that predict. >> what was the question predict. >> do you observe mr. george floyd right knee i'm sorry, derek chauvin writing compressing mr. george floyd left arm pretty. >> so from what i see that mr. derek chauvin shin as he was actually on his back pretty. >> that is what you believe you see. okay. but nevertheless, mr. george floyd left arm in the tri-state area, was in between mr. derek chauvin either me or shed, right. >> yes. >> did you review and study the body worn cameras closely yourself.
>> i reviewed them closely, yes. >> and if you to understand and hear what various parties were saying at various times. >> yes. >> did you ever hear mr. george floyd say that i ate too any drugs. >> no. [inaudible]. [inaudible]. >> i would like to publish 1007 and i bless you sir, to listen to mr. george floyd voice.
>> did you hear that. it doesn't appear the mr. george floyd said that i ate too any drugs predict. >> yes. >> in the video that he watched, both on direct examination and throughout the course of this case, there appears to be in liquid forming underneath the vehicle, correct. >> yes. >> and that liquid extreme goes out towards a behind the back of the squad car, correct. >> correct. >> it is fair to say that liquid is coming from underneath the vehicle, or appears to be coming from there. >> correct. >> and depending upon your perspective correct, that appears that could have been year and coming from the body of
mr. george floyd but we can see based on this that was actually probably condensation from the running squad car, correct. >> yes, sir. >> and that is common when the air conditioning or whatnot, common printed condensation drips from the bottom of the muffler or exhaust. >> yes, sir. >> and you would agree that what that trail of liquid appears to be. >> yes, sir. >> i have nothing further subject to the discussion we need to have about this. [inaudible]. [inaudible].
>> with the hybrid or with the owner say this right, the air conditioning, with just the battery enough gas engine pretty. >> yes it was. >> and you are asked in a very short clip, body worn camera and ask, and assume for the first time, what would mr. george floyd saying there. >> yes, sir. >> will questions before that were asked in the officers before mr. george floyd said that. >> i don't recall right now. >> was not part of that visual. >> no. >> have you ever had to listen listen try to figure out what mr. george floyd had to say pretty. >> i don't know pretty. >> so that was an exercise that he has to for time sitting there. >> yes, sir. >> and from before.
>> yes, sir. [inaudible]. >> you were asked about the moments where it appears that mr. derek chauvin right knee is on mr. george floyd back. and in that did you notice whether mr. george floyd first moved pretty. >> yes it appeared to move. from mr. derek chauvin knee. >> you said this was an unusual case because the investigation kept going on while there was a court process. >> yes. >> is that the typical process then when you investigated case printed over 90 done within a never work on it again. >> no.
>> when you turn over in the investigation is a common it to continue working on the investigation throughout the court project pretty. >> yes. >> have you ever in your career conducted an investigation said to a charging authorities on the case. in 19. >> no. >> in fact some of the investigations that you did, sensually at the request of the defense - >> correct. >> i want to be clear so i'm going to prevent the spray to based on this saying that vehicle. >> correct. >> and they're asking they put that liquid there pretty. >> no. [inaudible]. >> that is all i have. >> anything further. [inaudible].
>> are you a car mechanic. you have a hybrid vehicle. to understand the squad car has month and engine an internal combustion engine that runs on gasoline and a battery, correct pretty. >> yes, sir. >> whether the vehicle was running on the battery or the gas engine, on may 25th of 2020, you would have no way of knowing, correct. >> correct. >> no further questions. >> should we give everyone a ten minute break so we can discuss this issue. >> ten minute break while we discuss this. [inaudible]. [inaudible].