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[inaudible]. [inaudible]. >> will pull take another break probably about ten tenants. but for now pretty. >> thank you your honor and thank you everybody for your patience. we are recalling and part two of matters, one is to readdress the exhibit 1007 displayed. and to put context in a short video that was shown as 107, agent reaction, you have an opportunity to review exhibit 127. it is the composite with j alexander kueng's body worn camera, correct.
and during that same time. it correct. yes. in that short clip as you are shown as 1007 reserve discussion about used by the officers attempted to speak to mr. george floyd. >> yes. >> and hearing that section of the audio, that that help you understand that why mr. george floyd might've been saying that you are asked about by counsel. >> yes. >> and we would asked to play 27, queued up to the 2020, 30 through 2021 without where it appears that mr. jody stiger was asked about. [inaudible]. in 19 i can't breathe.
>> get on the sidewalk place predict. [inaudible]. [inaudible]. [inaudible]. please. i can't breathe. >> the record should reflect we played the quote that you are asked about earlier at the 202020 and one and having parted and contacts were you able to tell mr. george floyd is saying pretty. >> i believe that he said i ain't doing the drugs pretty. >> that was all different than what you are asked about an portion of the video pretty. >> yes, sir. >> to clarify what you did earlier and through that i had
inverted a couple of exhibit numbers correct predict analysis figured that out printed exhibits 53 and 54. they're both parts of the dragon video and you have seen those they are in fact that was obtained from the dragon one correct predict. >> correct. >> and also have a 55 portion of the dragon video as well. >> yes. >> what we initially offered it as exhibit 54 should actually be exhibit 53 and we will offer exhibits 53 - 54 and picked five predict. >> and objection rated. >> fifty-three and 54 and 55 are received. and will be published pretty. >> were not quite a pump not going to publish.
>> might i am requesting permission to publish a portion of exhibit 65. you've had an opportunity to review the dragon surveillance video of the portions of the video where mr. george floyd is present, correct predict. >> yes, sir. >> and it shows various interactions that after george floyd, there are interactions between other people walking past the camera continue racinge same perspective pretty. >> correct. >> i would asked permission to publish exhibit 55 starting at the time stamp 203848.
an agent i will ask you to watch the area of the vehicle on the passengers in the vehicle. >> yes, sir. >> were you able to see predict. >> yes, sir. >> what is it appear that individual is pretty. >> he throws something it appears printed. >> so he is looking initially for the passenger through the vehicle and looking in the area of the police officers, correct pretty. >> and had been appears to retrieve something from his backpack and it appears he then throws it off to his right shoulder, right pretty.
nineteen. [inaudible]. >> it if you would not mind, we would like you to remove your mask for testimony. any you would begin by giving your full name point. >> nicole mackenzie. [inaudible]. >> can you tell us how you are currently employed pretty. >> i work for the criminal and laboratory pretty. >> so you are a scientist and forensic scientist pretty. >> i am a forensic scientist, yes pretty. >> can you describe your educational background. >> have a university of north dakota and i have a masters from george washington university. [inaudible]. >> we did you achieve your bachelors of science agree and
forensic scientist pretty. >> 2007, from the university of north dakota. >> you said that already. and so you earned a masters degree as well and where you get that front, george washington. and what jarvis that pretty. >> 2009. it. >> so kind of things you have to do to get a masters in forensic science pretty. >> the coursework included criminal justice coursework, law courses, a lot of hands-on applications with forensic practices and my concentration was in molecular biology so there's a lot of coursework dedicated to dna testing. achieved your bachelors degree in forensic science and working on your masters did you begin working in the field as well pretty. >> yes. >> when rated.
>> i initially started working at 11 with technology sound in virginia. it is a private forensic laboratory and i did dna testing there. >> prior to that the gypsum experienced at the bta pretty. >> prior to that, i was an intern at the dca. between my first and second year of graduate school. >> and what kind of work did you do during your internship point rated. >> with our print section also with the dna section. point rated and had to do with validating a new instrument that they were using at the time point. >> minuet to work in psychology, the dod, correct point. >> correct. >> we did you do their point. >> i started out working in a group called customize casework.
and a lot of technician work for them. and after that i moved into a roll in the database team. so i didn't convicted the spender samples from a variety of states, contracted with them. >> so did you look at that lab and did you leave it more did pretty. >> i started at the dca in 2009, october 2009. >> bajaj take at the dca pretty. >> i was hired on as a forensic scientist in the biology section. >> what is a biology section do pretty. >> the biology section of the dna testing and also body food identification which is the identification of bodily fluid relevant to a case and including sample collections from a variety of physical items of evidence that coming to a lab for dna testing. >> when did you start doing that
pretty. >> october 2009 was when i was hired. >> was there some specific it's raining of the major go through because you are hired by the dca. and can you describe it. >> so the dna training program takes about a year to complete. and it starts with specifically with people start with body fluid identification portion first. will get trained on them and then going on to the dna testing so all of that training includes watching other scientists do the work. any practice samples, competency tests that we do written test, oral tests, we are signed up and able to work independently and do our own reports. >> three still working in the biology section pretty. >> yes pretty. >> and is employed, you take on additional responsibilities the dca.
>> yes. in 2014 i joined our crime scene team. >> it if you been working the crime scene team since then. disappointed you come a team leader. >> yes, i did in 2016. >> and we will come back to that in a little bit are you a member of any professional organizations affiliations. >> i am a member of the associateamerican academy of sciences pretty. >> we heard a little bit about the dca, different divisions that they have read here in the laboratory division. can you describe for the juries what all the laboratory does predict not a great detail necessarily be just a given a review. it. >> we have a number of different sections that cross references different types of sections which include dna, chemistry,
prints, firearms, toxicology, so depending on what the residences, it it gets routed to the appropriate section of the lab. sometimes there are items that were involved in multiple sections of the lab so depends on with the request is what the item of evidence is that we are working on. >> is a crime scene team considered a different section pretty. >> yes. >> coming teams are there. >> we have two main crime scene names, out of st. paul and then a second team have been our regional area. >> and so did you started working on the crime scene team at approximately would you say 2014. >> yes. >> and your team leader 2016. something you need to do be, leader pretty.
>> in order to join the team initially, there's a lot of training that we go through at the lab. it includes lectures and presentations and hands-on practical exercises oral in order to join the team to become a team leader, there's additional training we go through specifically that covers seen during construction and pattern analysis which comes with its own tests and oral boards before we are able to issue reports in those sections. >> soon as you are working there now in both sections, the crime scene team in the dna section. and so, when you are on a crime scene team, i've generally getting called out in particular case. >> so we are on call on a
rotational basis over on-call per week at a time so when we on-call, were available 24/7. to respond to a potential crime scene. and the request come in from an agent who will call me and try to give me a synopsis or rundown on the case may have. and the request that they have for us to come out and see the criteria. and i will send out work to the crime scene team so they can respond. is that typical. >> was more than normal. >> is aloud accredited? we are.
>> described to the jury what that means to be accredited. >> accreditation of a process in which training the officers, assessors and other working the field come into our lab independent assessment our entire quality system laboratory section. they evaluate us on hundreds of criteria to make sure we are qualified to perform the testing that we do. >> do you know how long the lot has been accredited? >> since the 90s, 1994. >> overtime, different accrediting boards? >> correct. >> have you gone through the accreditation process? >> yes, i've been employed while we've gone through many accreditation cycles. >> so your work is checked by other professionals? >> i simply yes. >> is allowed perform audits of
other labs. >> yes, we do. >> were you called to a scene may 25, 2020? >> i was. >> how did you get called out? you remember how the call came to you? >> i received a phone call from assistant special agent in charge, phil around 1130 p.m. that night and he requested feinstein assistance to a scene in south minneapolis. >> did you then respond? >> yes. >> tells the jurors who was on the crime scene team that night. >> our team typically consists of a team leader, team member -- and a photographer who is a social agent. for this particular scene, i responded with myself and the technician.
i opted not to go with them member initially and let him know we night need him if it came, just responded to my scene with myself, the technician and photographer. >> when you get the call, you gathered them together and headed to the scene? >> yes. the laboratory scientists on the crime scene team, we respond to the headquarters in st. paul to grab our crime scene truck and respond to the scene together. >> the crime scene truck has your equipment and stuff? >> yes. >> what we see sometimes on tv at a crime scene, almost an rv? >> exactly. >> do you recall going to the scene in minneapolis for this? >> yes. >> do you recall what time it was you arrived on scene? >> we arrived on scene about 1:15 a.m., early morning on the
26th. >> do you recall how long you were at the scene? >> a little over two hours. >> that location in minneapolis, you number the intersection? >> the intersection of chicago avenue and east 38th street. >> when you get there, what is the first step in the process? >> when the team arrives, we get a briefing from the agent on scene. >> what kind of information did you learn at that time? >> the briefing we got included that an employee of the cut foods restaurant called 911, they suspected someone is using what they call thought to be counterfeit money, minneapolis police arrived to the scene, they attempted to arrest mr. floyd, there was a bit of a
struggle to get him into the backseat of a squad car, eventually he was moved to the ground. at some time he became unresponsive and was taken by ambulance to hd mc. >> is the information you were given about why there was a scene? >> yes. >> from their did you proceed to process the area? >> yes. >> can you describe when you first arrived, what you see at the scene in general? >> when we first arrived, we saw at the intersection but there were two vehicles parked on east 38th street, mercedes-benz suv minneapolis squad part behind it by the dragon wok restaurant. other than that, there wasn't a whole lot around at the time, it
was raining when we got there and from my quick walk-through we do, i didn't necessarily see a lot of processing that would potentially be needed at that particular scene. >> i sometimes while at the scene, did you become aware there was a video taken of the incident? >> yes, after we had been on scene for a little while, i was made aware of the video. >> did you watch a portion? >> i did watch a small portion. >> did it help you try to locate areas that may be of interest? >> yes, the primary reason for watching it was, we didn't know exactly where the incident had occurred. the assumption when we got there was it happened where the squad
car was parked but by watching the video, we could see it was around the corner on chicago avenue so the objective of watching the video was to see where mr. floyd could have been on the street, where to specifically look. >> did you? >> yes did you see anything? >> no. >> as part of the process, did you take photographs? >> yes. >> did you take a number of photographs? bimah kiss, the special agent with me took a number of photographs on scene. >> with the photographs help you describe to the jury what you saw at the scene? >> yes. >> have we shown you previously what's marked as exhibit 129 -- 35? >> yes. >> do they appear to be photographs taken that night at the scene? >> yes. >> 129 -- 135. >> objection. >> 135 including -- not.
>> will publish 129, please. describe to the directors jurors what's in this photograph. >> exhibit 129, this is a photograph of photographer standing on chicago avenue facing south, the cross street is east 38, cut foods is on the left, the corner of the intersection and just beyond that, you can see a portion of the squad car. >> there appears to be crime scene tape. >> yes, the crime scene tape was up prior to the arrival of the crime scene team. >> moving to exhibit 130 -- describe this, please. >> this is a photograph taken on chicago avenue looking north, another view of cut foods. >> exhibit 131?
>> 131 is a photograph from 58 looking east, a view of the mercedes-benz suv and squad car. >> does this photograph show some of the crime scene tape? >> it does. >> there is a stylus in front of you if you want to show the jurors on the screen. >> there is crime scene tape along the front of the suv and crime scene tape further down the block as well. >> did the crime scene tape appear to be appropriate for securing the area? >> i thought so. >> did it encircle the intersection? >> it did. >> exhibit 132.
describe this for the jurors show the crime scene tape. >> this is a photo on east 38th street again, the view is looking west and shows the mercedes-benz in the foreground, minneapolis squad car parked behind it, there's crime scene tape behind the squad and a little further down on the other side of the intersection as well. >> when you are -- let's go to exhibit 132 -- 133. can you describe this? >> exhibit 133 is a photo taken across the street from where the other photo was we saw on the same sidewalk as cut foods, the red awning, looking west on
38th street. >> when you're on a crime scene, particularly like this, you try to locate security cameras? >> yes, that is part of what we do. >> in this photograph here, do we see security cameras there you spotted while there? >> there are a couple of security cameras, you want me to circle them? >> sure. >> that's just customary to take note for investigative purposes? >> it is. >> on what you asked to backup 2132 please. this is where we see the other side of the street like the dragon wok, correct? >> yes. >> is a security camera in this photograph as well?
>> yes, sorry, there is one on dragon wok on the corner. >> going to exhibit 134, describe this for the jurors. >> this is a photograph taken from chicago avenue slightly closer to cut foods, cut foods is the building on the left and you can see squad 3204 view on the other side of 38th street. >> so crime scene tape was almost redundant in some areas? >> a little, yes. >> other security cameras visible in this photograph as well? >> yes, you can see the one on dragon wok and the one under the awning of cut foods. >> exhibit 135, a review of the. >> yes, exhibit 135 is a photo
of the security camera under the awning of cut foods. >> -- take that down. when you're out there, the security cameras were investigators? >> yes. >> did you notice -- >> no, the street around where the squad car was parked, the street on the sidewalk and the street and sidewalk were when we watched the video, approximate location with that and i did not see any blood. >> but you understood it had rained since the event? >> yes. >> that could have interfered with the scene. >> it could have. >> you noted the two vehicles present, other than the vehicles, did you collect
evidence from the scene? >> no, there was no evidence collected. >> was decided about what to do with it? >> both of the vehicles would be held back for further processing. >> why would you process at the garage rather than out there? >> telling the vehicles back, so we can process them in a more controlled environment with better lighting, so we are not out in the dark and rain and doing it in a controlled setting with the equipment we need. >> for the vehicles towed from the scene? >> yes. >> were you present when that was done? >> yes. >> agent ryerson was involved? >> he was. >> then you left the scene after that approximately 30:00 a.m.? >> yes. >> what was the next step in the process for the crime scene team? >> the next step we did, i
arranged with agent ryerson to agree upon a time for the actual vehicle so we agreed we would use them may 27. >> essentially the next day. >> a day to process the vehicle. where were the vehicles at that time. >> they were told -- they were totally secure garage we had that we use for processing vehicles. >> did you process vehicles may 27? >> we did. >> do you remember approximately when he started to work on those vehicles? >> we started about 9:00 a.m. processing vehicles.
>> who was involved in processing vehicles? >> to process vehicles, myself, a team member and an agent taking photos for us. >> can you describe the process? >> the first step is photograph and document the outside of the vehicle and the conditions it was when we towed it from the scene. after that, we open doors and take photographs of the interior of the vehicle. as it is before anybody moves or touches anything. after that, we go through the contents of the vehicle and marking items necessary for collection. >> when you process the vehicles, what information did you have about the incident itself? did you get any further information than when you were originally at the scene? >> no, there was very little additional information known at the time so not much had changed
from my perspective from that day that had passed. >> we saw a lot of photographs at the scene, did you take a lot of photographs of the vehicles? >> yes. >> what is the purpose of taking that many photographs? >> documentation purposes so we can photograph, the condition of everything prior to us doing anything or moving anything and as we move objects around and find items of evidence, we documents and photograph location, the condition of items, everything is thoroughly documented and someone else can look at the photos and get an idea of what we did. >> when you are processing the vehicle, you always know for sure what would become an item of evidence in the future? >> no, that could be said about
any vehicle or anything we process. >> when you started the process, did you know they would be kept by the bca? >> yes, i do believe intention was to hold onto the vehicle. >> even after you process them, they will stay in the custody of the bca? >> yes. >> have you looked exhibit 137 through 149. >> yes. >> do you recognize those as photographs taken during the processing of the mercedes and is. >> yes. >> for those photographs help you explain what you did with the jury? >> exhibit 137 -- 149. >> received. >> was for 2.37 is this the mercedes suv you processed may
27? >> yes, as you we we processed, the condition it was the morning we start at the processing. >> where is this location? >> the be ca processing headquarters and st. paul. >> you remember at the time what information you had about this vehicle itself? >> the information i had been, i was helping guide my search, potentially there was blood that could be present on either vehicle. the other thing i knew was money, the potential to have counterfeit money could be found in any of the vehicles so i had those things in mind. other than that, there wasn't necessarily anything specific i
was looking for, just looking through to see if there's anything of note that i would need to collect investigative a. >> why did you think there might be blood to look for? >> is because of the information i had at the briefing and the scene that there was a struggle to perhaps get mr. floyd in the backseat of the squad car and i had information he could have been bleeding possibly from the nose or mouth. >> did you have any information about whether he may have been in the vehicle. >> i did not have that information at that time. >> all right, exhibit 138 and and describe what is depicted here. >> 138, a photo of the driver seat of the vehicle, the driver side is open.
>> this is how it appeared upon first opening the suv? >> yes, this is how it appeared when we first opened it and before anything had been moved or collected. >> exhibit 139. i'm sorry, we apparently have not put them up on the screen. can we go back to 138? actually, i guess 137. these were not up on the screen earlier? so again, 137 depicts the vehicle in your garage? >> yes. >> 138, put that up please. that is the driver side as it appeared? >> yes. >> i think we are on 139 and this is the front passenger
side? >> correct. >> the center of his photograph, you see a blue bag or envelope. >> yes. >> are you familiar with what that is? described that for the jurors. >> that is called a faraday day, something we use to put electronics and, cell phone. there was a cell phone observed on the front passenger seat of the vehicle that was put into the bag by agent prior to us telling the vehicle. the purpose is to prevent anyone from mostly accessing a cell phone more perhaps change anything on the phone or get the. >> it locks people out of the phone? >> yes. >> 140 please. describe this for the jurors. >> this is a photo of the rear
passenger side of the suv. >> exhibit 141. describe that for the jurors. >> this is a photo of the trunk area of the suv the gate open. >> going to exhibit 142. can you describe what is depicted in this photograph? >> this was a photo of the front passenger seat area of the vehicle a little closer, you can see a portion of the seat and center counsel. >> the center counsel appears to be a small white, it looks like a pill. >> yes, there is a small white pill. >> when the photograph was taken, did you have any knowledge the case was involved with pills? >> not at all. >> then you preserved the area
by taking photographs? >> correct. >> that becomes part of the investigative file? >> yes. >> after the vehicle is fully processed, what is the process you go through? >> after everything is photographed at that time, then i start marking items for evidence collection by putting down item tensor number and the items are we photographed after i make them. >> during the search, did you remove money from the vehicle? >> i did. >> where is that money located? >> the money was located, there is one bill on the front passenger seat and the other pill built between the cap between the front passengers in the center counsel. >> can you show where that would
be? >> it was in this gap a little further back. >> for the easily visible? remark no, you cannot see it here. >> where they stuffed down in between? >> they were. >> have you also seen what we marked as exhibit 136? >> yes. >> is a photograph taken after the vehicle was processed? >> yes. >> 136. let's publish 136, please. i've gone out of order. okay, thank you. 136. the vehicle here. >> yes. >> it appears to be redtape, can
you explain that should the jury? >> once we were done processing the vehicle, all the doors were taped sealed and initialed like you can see there. >> why is that? >> we do that to reserve the item of evidence and ensure no one enters the car and if someone has, it would be obvious if the seal was broken. >> where is the suv taken after that? >> it towed to a secure storage facility. >> with regard to the suv, were you asked to search again later? >> i was. >> do you recall when that was? >> i searched the vehicle a second time december 9, 2020. >> do you recall why? >> special agent ryerson relate
to me there was a request from the attorney general office to collect additional items from the suv. >> did you then -- we are given specific information about what to recover. >> yes, i was given specific things to look for. >> what was that? >> i was told to collect pills in the center counsel, development if there was any comfort present and money and also a photograph of other contents of the luggage in the trunk. >> have you seen what we marked as exhibit 143 and 149? >> yes. >> are the photographs taken during the second processing? >> yes. >> 143 -- 149.
[inaudible] >> received now. >> they are, i'm sorry. duplicating effort. exhibit 143 again, showing you 143. is this photograph -- was this photograph taken during the second processing? >> yes, it was. >> were seals intact? >> all seals work intact vehicle. >> so what do we see here on this evidence tape? >> the handwriting is initialed em, one of our agents and the date it was sealed up initially so 527, 2720. >> did you break the seals then? >> yes.
>> exhibit 144. can you describe what is depicted in this photograph? >> you can see in the front driver side of the suv, there is an item of evidence marked with the 46th item tent. >> why do you do that? >> every item we collect in a case get it's own unique item number so we can track it custody after that time when is collected. >> let's proceed to exhibit 145. this is a close up of item 46? >> yes, a close-up of item 46, the box on packet that was opened. >> were you familiar with this? >> generally, a little bit.
>> what is it? >> a prescription medication used for adults with an opioid addiction. >> on this item, was this recovered by you? >> yes. >> if we could go to exhibit 146 describe what's in this photograph. >> in this photograph, and item of evidence marked as item 47 on the front driver seat. >> exhibit 147. is this a close-up of item 47? >> yes, but close-up, unopened one of the drivers passenger seat. >> can we proceed to exhibit
148? describe what is depicted in this photograph. >> exhibit 148, and item of evidence marked as item 48, referring to the two pills you can see there in the center counsel. >> it appears to be the same pill on the previous photograph the first processing of the vehicle? >> correct. >> release pills you are specifically asked to retrieve from the vehicle? >> they were. >> did you take the two pills? >> i did. >> 149. how many pills did you find? >> two pills in the center counsel. >> did you recover. >> both of them were collected together as item 48. >> why collect them together? >> because they were in close proximity like you can see there, they both had the same markings on them as well.
>> what did you do with them after you recovered them from the vehicle? >> after they were recovered, they are packaged of by myself, taped and sealed in the package and given a barcode so i can transfer it to the appropriate section of the lab for testing. >> with a made available to another section of the lab? >> yes, sent to a drug chemistry section. >> i understand he did other work and processing the vehicle at that time, of additional of and sheer value? >> correct. >> going back to initial processing may 27, you also process squad 320? >> yes.
>> i would ask you if you have looked at exhibit, let's start with exhibit 150. was that taken on the processing of the squad car? >> exhibit 150. >> received. >> we could look at exhibit 150. describe that for the jurors. >> exhibit 150 is a photograph, minneapolis squad car number 320. this is the condition as it was towed from the scene and the morning of the 27th we began processing on it. >> this is the bca grudge? >> it is. >> i am now going to offer exhibit 152 -- 169.
[inaudible] 1502 -- 169. >> skip over 151 and go to 152. can you describe what is depicted in this photograph? >> exhibit 152, this photograph is of the front driver side area of the squad car with the door open. >> you had information about a struggle trying to get mr. floyd into the squad car, correct? >> yes. >> why take a picture of the site? >> we document all regardless of circumstances. we just document everything about the vehicle before we start processing. >> if you go to 153 now, please. this is a photograph of what? >> the driver side door, the
pocket on the door. >> when you have this photograph taken, did you have knowledge these items had anything to do with it? >> no. >> so just to document? >> exactly. >> exhibit 154. what is this? >> exhibit 154 is a closer photo of the driver side floor of the squad. >> just to document the scene? >> yes. >> 155 describe this for the jurors. >> this is a photograph of the contents of the front passenger side pocket on the door. >> in 156. >> this is a photograph of the front passenger seat. >> these are just taken to document for future reference if needed.
>> yes. >> i'd like to show you exhibit 157. can you describe depicted in this photograph? >> exhibit 157, a photograph of the rear driver side of the squad, you can see a bit of the rear driver side and interior of the rear driver side door. >> prior to this, had you processed other squad cars? >> yes. >> as an adult he spent the back seat of these cars before? >> yes. >> back seat of the squad car is different than typical vehicle? how so? >> yes, the backseat you can kind of see the glass that separates the front of the vehicle from the rear of the vehicle and the plastic on the backside of the seat, the
backseat itself is rubber and they are a little different looking in a regular vehicle. no cloth seats or anything. >> exhibit 158. the backseat of the squad car? >> yes. >> that's how it looked as you processed the vehicle? >> yes. >> fair to say the backseat area is smaller and squad car been a regular passengers car like this? >> yes. >> exhibit 159, a view of the backseat on the other side of the passenger side? >> yes, the perspective of the passenger side, rear passenger side of the squad. >> exhibit 160 as well.
>> this is a photo of the backseat taken from the perspective of the rear passenger side of the vehicle. >> it appears to be an item on the backseat, do you see that? >> yes, it blackstrap on the rear passenger seat. >> it appears to be a few on the floor, correct? >> yes, a pair of shoes on the floor, you can see the right shoe, the left she was on the other side. >> the floor of the other side? >> is. >> exhibit 161. a closer photo of the right shoe on the passenger side? >> correct. >> just documenting the location of the shoe? >> yes. >> exhibit 162, what does this depict? >> a photograph of the trunk area of the squad, large removable plastic tote that had
various items and supplies. >> again, any specific information in the area of the squad car involved? >> we did not. >> we still document this? >> we can scroll through exhibit 163 -- 166. each photograph depicts stuff in the backseat of the squad car, correct? pima correct. >> just to document what's the. >> yes. >> were certain items -- document by you and recovered? >> yes. >> does that include pair shoes? >> yes.
>> and the strap? >> yes. >> did you see blood stains were appeared to be blood stains? >> i did. >> exhibit 167. you see that photograph? >> yes. >> the strap is labeled as what? >> item nine. >> and the shoe? >> item eight. >> were both shoes collected? >> yes. >> exhibit 168. a close-up of the shoe? >> correct. >> was the shoe removed? >> it was. >> did you remove it? >> i did. >> did have apparent blood?
>> no. >> exhibit 169? just described for us, the shoe was missing? >> correct. >> this was taken after you remove it? >> yes. >> there appears to be a white spot on the floor here on the passenger side? >> yes. >> if you want to take the stylus draw around it and at the time you removed the shoe, did you notice that? >> i did see it. >> did you remove it. >> i did not. >> why not? >> at the time, i didn't have any information, i wasn't looking for anything, a pill or resemblance of uphill, it was in the backseat of a squad car, i wasn't exactly sure what it was
if it came off somebody's shoe so at the time i didn't give it any forensic significance than what i had. >> so you left it? >> i did. >> you documented with photographs? >> i did. >> when you are searching at that time, what was the focus of your processing of the vehicle? >> the focus was processing the blood in the backseat. >> so then we see white stickers in this photograph, we can come back to that later. after the initial processing, were you asked to do a subsequent processing of the squad car with relation to the. >> i was. >> do know what prompted the
processing. >> i was informed on the morning of january 27, 2021, i was informed by ryerson that the vehicle, the squad was being towed back to bca could headquarters. they met, they met with defense attorneys on the case who had gone through the squad and there was an additional request for evidence collection after the. >> that specifically was for other items in the vehicle? >> yes. >> did you then process the squad car a second time with that in mind? >> yes. >> have you seen exhibit 170 -- 76? >> i have. >> were they taken from the processing? >> yes. >> 170 -- seven. >> 173177.
>> exhibit 170. when you began to process the vehicle, but it still sealed off from the initial process? >> it was not sealed up when it arrived. >> was because others had? >> correct, that was my understanding. >> exhibit 170, this area, the pill appears to be present there as well? >> yes, the position it was may 27. >> exhibit 171. >> did you sign this and item number? >> yes, item 51. >> did you then recover that item? >> i did. >> can you describe -- describe its condition for the jury. >> the pill was round in shape, however it had a rough texture appears to it and there were no
visible markings on this particular pill. >> did appear like it wasn't whole any longer? >> yes, i think that is a fair statement. >> 172, please. this is a close-up of the item? yes. >> you collected that and made available for further testing? >> i did. >> will come back to the amendment, exhibit 173, can you describe what is depicted in that photograph? >> you can see an item marked as item 52, the rear driver side of the squad car. >> can you describe for the jurors, let's move on to 174 and then describe what item 52 is.
>> this is a closer photograph of item 52, a small irregular shaped piece the could have been a portion of a pill, it had the same rough texture appearance as item 51. no visible markings on this particular item. >> was that collected for testing as well? >> it was. >> going through exhibit 175, a little harder to seek but can you describe what appears to be marked as items 53 -- 54. >> yes, in the background of the photo is an item marked item 53. this was a small piece what could have been a portion of a pill, item 54 you will see two items.
everything else that looked like it could have possibly been a piece of pill, small remnants of powder remaining i collected together. >> exhibit 176 and is this a close-up of item 53? >> yes, a close-up of item 53 which looks like it could have been a piece of a possible pill, reddish brown in color, it was stuck to the back portion of the rear passenger seat. >> inconsistent with 51 or 5254? >> it did seem consistent for the color difference it did seem consistent with the other pieces. >> was this retained by you and
made available to the lab? >> yes. >> you had done some testing yourself? >> yes. >> you had done some dna testing? >> i did. >> which item did you testing on? >> initially i did my dna testing on eight blood schemes collected from the backseat of the squad in the same testing i collected samples from two of the 20-dollar bills recovered from the mercedes-benz suv and dna testing on those items as well. >> did you do dna testing on item 51? >> yes in a subsequent report, item 51 as well. >> did you do dna testing on items 52 -- 54? >> i did not. >> why not?
>> they were quite small, fragile, i had to collect the samples very carefully. the other ones were too small and fragile and were conducive for dna testing. >> why would you attempt to do dna testing on item 51? >> addition to doing dna testing on item 51, i also tested it for the component of your saliva cited that first and it was positive so i did dna testing on it. >> so without going into great deal of detail about dna testing, what is the general premise behind dna testing? >> dna testing this particular
case, i did nuclear dna testing, the type of dna from your mom and half from your dad any combination that makes you different even than your siblings. the dna goes for air hair color, eye color, things you can't necessarily see, essentially your genetic blueprint. we do dna testing on items of evidence from the scene and compare it to dna samples. >> in what ways can dna be left behind, forensic testing be done? >> dna can be left behind in a variety of ways bodily fluid, something like saliva or >> dna can be left behind by touching an object or hanging an october can be found in root of your hair so it can show new a
number of instances. >> and so when you would have an item like item 51 that appears to be a pill you can test to see if there might be the presence of saliva? >> yes. >> would that be true if it appears to be dry? >> yes, it would be possible to leave that behind. >> and what i'll try for the jurors how you try to determine if there is or had been saliva on an item like that. >> so i, the pill itself i swabbed it two swabs essentially look like q-tips. i swabbed each side of the pill together. and then from those swabs i took small cutting of it and then i used that small cutting of the swab and tested it with a chemical called statabis used to
detect presence found in saliva if what test is positive is indicates that there could possibly be saliva on that particular sample. >> with regard to item 51 what did you find? >> it was positive. >> so there was emasli indicated that there was saliva there at some team? >> yes. >> did you then conduct dna testing on item 51 to try to determine swabbing from item 51 to try to determine the source of that saliva? >> yes, i did. >> and did you conduct the dna testing in accordance with standard operating procedures you need to do for accredited lab for dna it'sing. >> i did. >> did>> you have a known dna profile for george floyd? >> yes. i had a known dna sample from mr. floyd that i had previously developed in my first round of testing.
>> based on testing of item 51 known sample what did you find? >> from item 51, that swab collected from that pill i obtained a single source male dna profile that matches george floyd. this dna profile would hot be expected to occur more than once among individuals in a population. >> after you did your testing item 51 did you make it available for other sections of the lab? >> yes. it was sent to drug chemistry after i was done. >> i deviated a little from the squad car and protionz and back to may 27th when you first processed the squad car, okay? >> 2 okay. you mentioned finding some apparent blood in the squad car right? >> correct. >> that blood was primarily located in the rear passenger side of ther vehicle. >> and have you seen what we
have marked exhibits 177 through 182? >> yes, i have. >> your honor, i would for those -- 77 through 182 are then received. >> i want to show you exhibit 177 please. when you're processing vehicle and you see blood is there a way to determine if it is, in fact, blood? >> yes. we have a presumptive blood test that we use. so we'll take a small portion of a stain that we think is blood swab it up, and then use a three set chemical process on that swab. itif the it's is positive the sb will turn pink if it is negative it willif stay the color will sy unchanged. >> and so when you are doing that and you see things that might be bloodstains do you test do that test for each of those
bloodstains? >> yes for each of the blood stains it would get its own prumpghtive test, yes. >> we've seen center of this photograph that's what you mentioned earlier also the three white bags. can you describe those for the jurors? >> yes. the three white stickers you can see are items 12, 13, and 14. both are marking locations of potential bloodstains. and then also on those stickers is a littles notation that said ph positive that means that blood test that i performed was positive. >> do you recall how many separate they thinks you collected from that squad car that appear to be blood at least in this area of the squad car? >> in this particular portion of the squad car on the seat's bottom there was four different bloodstains. >> and then other areas of the seat?
>> on the seat back rear passenger seat back were additional four stains. if we then go to exhibit 178, can you describe what we're seeing here. >> in exhibit 178 you can see photograph in the center is an item marked item 10. with that ph positive so this is marking bloodstain that was positive for the presumptive blood test and this was on rear passenger seat back and item number 11 a little bit out of the photograph is more in the door frame of the vehicle. and that was also positive for the presence of blood. >> so in this photograph exhibit 178, what we're seeing on the left side as you're looking at it -- is what? >> that's the door frame or the very edge of the rear passenger seat of the seat backside. >> if we can go then to exhibit
179. describe this for the jurors, please. >> these are two stains that are on the rear passenger seat bottom that have both been marked as item 14 and 15 and that ph positive indicating that the blood test was positive. >> appears during same areas where we saw that strap item nine sitting before. >> that strap is right next to it.. >> and if we can go to exhibit 180 describe this please. >> this is an item marked as bca item number 16 this was on rear passenger seat back and this again waspa an area that was positive for the presence of blood. >> and exhibit 181. >> this is a photograph of the seatback as well two items two stickers. item 10 is an year that was positive for the presence of flood.
and item 18 is also marking what i believed was possibly a bloodstain. i didn't do the presumptive blood test while processing squad at this particular time due to how small stain was. >> and then finally exhibit 182. now the strap has been removed and we see some other items here, correct? >> correct. so after the strap was removed, and this, this was four location on the rear passenger seat bottom where blood was indicated and ith collected samples from each of those four areas. >> so as we've seen then there were in my calculation seven different blood life stains. six of which presumptively testeded positive as blood correct? >> there were 7 that presumptively tested positive for blood and one additional for a total of eight.
>> and did you then well -- just describe for the jury where those generally were loangted in the squad car. >> they were all on the rear passenger side of the vehicle. >> did you conduct further -- let me ask you this did you take samples of those back to the bca with you? >> yeah i collected a sample from each of those locations. they all were packaged up individually. and then they were sent for dna testing. >> and was dna testing done on that? >> yes. they were. >> who did them? >> i did the dna testing on samples. >> when you tested each of those did you follow necessary procedures necessary for your lab an dna testing? >>ab yes, i did. >> what was result of that testing? >> from all eight of those locations, i obtained a single
male dna profile that matches george floyd again this would not be expected to occur more than once among unrelated individuals in the world population. >> so that was george floyd's blood? >> yes, essentially. >> i have nothing further your honor. >> cross? >> we'll attack a ten minute break if you have cross. >> ten minutes please.