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then, a donald trump supporter talks ♪ host: good morning. all eyes on the granite state this morning. we are one day away from the voters deciding who was their pick for the party nominations ahead of the first in the nation primary. the candidates and their supporters are crisscrossing the state. we begin with hillary clinton's event in new hampshire where madeleine albright, the first female secretary of state, was pressuring women to vote for hillary clinton. we want to get your take on it this morning. how important is it for the
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first female president in your voting? , (202)pshire voters 748-8003. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. .ndependents, (202) 748-8002 you can also go to twitter or as well. we will get your calls and a minute. let the show you the front page of the "new york times." female icons tell the young to get with it. this is what they report that with her opponent out drawing her in support among young women, ms. clinton has candidacy has turned into a generational clash. one that arrested this weekend went to feminist icons called on young women to his -- who supported mr. sanders to get with the program. let's listen to what madeleine albright had to say when she was
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introducing hillary clinton in new hampshire this weekend. [video clip] >> people are talking about revolutions. what kind of a revolution would it be to have the first woman president of the united states? [applause] single -- [chanting] >> not only that, she is just the best. she understands it area great to go on day one. this is an audience of people that are committed but i'm going to repeat this anyway. i see a lot of young women in this audience. [cheering] >> you that are here cheering understand this. there are some few i've heard somewhere else out there that do
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not understand the importance of why young women have to support hillary clinton. the story is not over. they are going to want to push us back. appointments to the supreme court make all the difference. [cheering] >> we can all tell our story about how we climbed the ladder and a lot of you younger women don't think you have to -- it has been done. it is not done and you have to help hillary clinton -- you have the help. hillary clinton will always be there with you. there's a special place in hell for women who do not help each other. host: it was those words from the secretary of state that got a lot of reaction on social media. a couple of tweets from young female voters who are supporting bernie sanders. this one saying, i am disappointed by how poorly lori a steinem and madeleine albright
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view young female supporters. another tweet from a bernie supporter, hillary stoops to new lows with madeleine albright ridiculing women is not feminism. hillary clinton it was on "meet the press" yesterday and she responded to secretary albright's comments. [video clip] >> madeleine has been saying this for many years. she believes it firmly. in part because she knows what a struggle it has been and she understands the struggle is not over. i don't want people to be offended by what she is expressing as her -- >> do you understand why someone might be offended? >> we are getting offended by anything these days. people cannot say anything without offending somebody. i admire her greatly and i think what she was trying to do, which she has done in every setting
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i've ever seen her in going back 20 plus years, was to remind young women particularly that this struggle which many of us have been part of is not over lulled not be in any way by the progress we have made. i take it was a lighthearted but very pointed remark which people can take however they choose. host: we turn to all of you this morning. what do you think about having the first female president? is it important? carly fiorina still in the race and yesterday she was in new hampshire. we covered one of her events on c-span. what you think about this gender question? washington post front page this morning with the headline, clinton looks to sisterhood but votes may go to sanders. a report the latest sign came sunday when a new cnn wmur survey shows senator sanders of vermont beating clinton among women in vermont by eight percentage points.
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this represents a big shift. the survey followed unintentionally problematic comments over the weekend by gloria steinem and madeleine albright, older trailblazers who were trying to encourage younger women to support clinton. on twitter, steve says this, her policies are more important. karen says, most important to pick the right person. the first female president would keep up with the rest of the world and be historic. female leaders. another says gender is not important. history of actions are. kyle in pasadena, a republican. what do you think? caller: i think it is preposterous this idea that we are supposed to vote for hillary clinton all because of her genitalia. i think the democratic party hands -- hangs onto identity politics as much as someone who is a populist candidate. the same exact thing.
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host: how old are you? caller: i'm 25. host: who is your candidate? caller: my candidate just dropped out. rand paul. host: who will you support? caller: you have to be kidding me. the conversation is boring at this point. an establishment candidate besides bernie sanders who i disagree with. with any luck i will stay away. host: mary, san mateo california, a democrat. tell us what you think. caller: i think voting on the basis of gender is absurd. we have so many challenges facing the country and it depends on the policies and the history of the person. there are some good points about voting for a woman if you are a young woman. i am 67 so i am madalyn albright's generation and hillary's. if i was voting only because it was a woman i would vote for carly fiorina.
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-- her entirey history has been chasing money and lying about it. i think her character precludes her from being commander-in-chief. what somedon't feel in your generation have said is a most an obligation to vote for the female candidate here? caller: i can see how some people in my generation would respond to that and i would respond by telling them to vote for carly fiorina if they feel that strongly about it. i consider policy more important. host: are you supporting bernie sanders then? caller: no i'm not. host: who are you going to vote for? caller: trump. he is self funding. not beholden to any of the people he is buying -- any of the people buying our politicians. host: marry in california.
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we will go to tom in malibu, california. a republican. caller: good morning. it is unusual for me to agree with the democrat won hundred percent but i do. thisally, hillary is using as a tool. they are great on divisive this. i vote for anybody but her. we have two senators who are female from california and they are not the greatest. we want good people, honest people. i like bernie but he is an honest guy. i would rather have an honest guy in there than someone who is divisive like hillary. i think we have gone beyond that. i think it is a discriminatory thing that the party does and has done for years. whether it is race, gender, or
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whatever. host: who is your candidate? caller: i love ted cruz but i have to vote for trump. his knowledge and ability with the economy, this country needs to get back on its feet. it needs to create taxes and money so we can do the things we need to do. thank you very much. host: before you go, he said hillary clinton you would not vote for her because she is divisive. you don't see donald trump is divisive? caller: no. donald trump is not going with the established party. that is not divisive because that is needed. we are asking you about whether or not is important to have the first female president. how important is that in this process to figure out who you are voting for? as a couple caller said they are supporting trump. globe" weighing the
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heated words and the right this. both trump and sanders retain leads in the latest poll from the suffolk university for the boston globe released friday and it shows bernie sanders with a nine point lead in the democratic race and trump up by 10 points in the gop side. some 33% of republicans and 13% of democrats said they just might change their minds. we have to see how this shakes out tomorrow. deborah in milton, florida. good morning to you. what do you think about this question? caller: i would like to say something about hillary. and albright and all of those people have been here for our people and i tell my daughter who is 40 how important it is that her generation keeps this thing going. bernie sanders, he is a nice man. he is not electable. he knows nothing about foreign policy.
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ladies out there, get together. people, please get out there and support hillary. hillary needs our help now. woman president. it is great and awesome. i want the people out there. .omen, sign up for hillary do something for her while she is trying this thing to get america pulled in the right way. this.let me ask you in iowa, e-mail voters, young book -- female voters, young voters, they broke heavily for bernie sanders. you can see on twitter and other places where he is attracting young voters, female voters, male voters, older voters in iowa, female voters anyway went for hillary clinton. you say to these younger women, keep these thing going. what do you mean by that?
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a lot of things with the women issues. abortion, children. hillary always talks about children. what she has done and what she will do. i am for hillary and i think she would be a great president. voters -- if someone was promising me free college, free health care, i might go also and say i want all of that but you can't look at that. bernie sanders is not electable. good morning. host: take a look at "the boston herald." game shows hillary clinton taking a selfie with some young female voters. gop voters keeping their options open ahead of tomorrow's first in the nation primary. that caller mentioned bernie sanders. he has been leading in new
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hampshire. a neighbor to his home state of vermont. it looks as though she has gained some ground. bernie sanders big knowledge he needs to win voters older, ages 45 and older. he aims to win them by talking about what he says our senior issues. this is what he had to say over the weekend on social security. [video clip] >> background for this is that in vermont and new hampshire and all over this country you have millions of seniors trying to get by on $13,000 in year and they can't. they are cutting their pills in half, not heating their homes adequately. this is an issue we raise. what is the right thing to do? my republican friends are saying you have to cut social security. social security trust fund is $2.7 trillion and a good payout all benefits in the next 19 years not going broke. 19 years is not enough. what is the right thing to do?
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it is what president obama when he was running for office in 2008 said we should do. the position i have advocated in legislation. that is to say that right now somebody is making hundred $18,000 in year, someone is making 5 million year, there contribute the same to social security. $250,000. what you can do is extend the life of social security for 58 extend --you can expand benefits for those people making $16,000 a year or less by $1300 in year. i believe we should lift the cap, extend benefits and expand the life of social security. host: bernie sanders yesterday talking about this issue of social security, trying to attract older voters is what the papers are noting this morning. we are talking to you about electing the first female president in this country.
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wanda and tennessee. caller: my first thought was i was happy bernie was able to bring out young voters. the thing i need voters to understand is that bernie is right now asking for a revolution that could cause a lot of pain and stuff within our country. plus, he cannot get anything past that he is offering these young people. they don't understand also that when mr. clinton was in, he put forth welfare reforms and a lot of other things that the republicans have taken away so fast that it was not able to resonate for young people. they think the people before him failed them but they don't understand it was the republicans who took away all gave for the clintons them to grow. as far as making jobs are hillary and her husband, they wanted us to create jobs.
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put us in places to create jobs we can also make jobs. i appreciate bernie for bringing them to the polls but they need to understand it was the draftns who put forth the , not the reverse. host: let me get your reaction to gloria steinem. miss steinem, one of the most famous spokeswomen of the feminist movement, to the sentiment further in interviews with bill martin explaining women tend to become more active in politics as they become older. she suggests that young women were backing mr. sanders so they could meet men. mr. morrow recoiled. mistimed left it off replying, how well do you know me? what do you think about her saying that? caller: as a person of
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tradition, a woman fathering a man -- a woman following a man would be a great thing it as history has shown we have followed meant for so long it is time for us to realize they need to listen to us. host: gloria steinem put this on her facebook page yesterday. on talk-- i misspoke shows recently and apologize . what i said on the same show was the opposite. .oung women are active regulating in debt but averaging a million dollars less over there lifetimes to pay it back. whether they gravitate to bernie or hillary, young women are activists and feminists in greater numbers than ever before. caller: good morning. you're a great facilitator for this program. you do a next job. host: i appreciate that. thank you.
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caller: you're welcome. yes it is important that we have a female president but i would never vote for hillary and i do think carly fiorina is an candidate. i don't like -- carly fiorina is an excellent candidate. i don't like what the networks are doing cutting her out. she could stand her own in any debate situation. host: she was not on the debate stage on saturday night. her people sending out tweets sort of making fun of abc and she noted in a video that she put out over twitter that she has just as many delegates as jeb bush heading into the new hampshire primary. caller: she is a sharp lady. i'm sure she could do as good a job if not better than some of the mail presidents we have had. let's take a look at what she put out over twitter. [video clip] >> the anybody but carly network. tune in as we exclude carly fiorina but include people she
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beat on anybody but carly, we rigged the game. she is rising in the polls, beating kasich and christie in iowa. todd with bush and delegates. she has actually won debate before. taking it to hillary clinton like nobody else can. on abc, we have frozen carly out, turned the debate inside out. all part of our mickey mouse operation. host: video put out by carly fiorina's campaign when she was left off the debate stage saturday night. we are asking you this morning, how important is it to you in your process, how you are going to vote in campaign 2016 to have a female president? robin in pennsylvania, a democrat. what you think? caller: personally, i still feel that trump is going to be the best bet. the younger women that are out
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,oting today with mr. sanders it is their first time, maybe second timeout. they just don't have the or the information that they really need to choose a president. i'm not saying they shouldn't vote. i'm saying they should dig deeper into their choices. ,ost: when you say experience -- how old are you if you don't mind me asking you and what was it like for you trying to make a career that maybe younger women don't understand? caller: i am 61. the first time i voted i voted because everybody else was going that way. i did not stop and think there were other choices. that was a long time ago. realize in come to
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the last four or five elections, if you don't sit down and listen to them, what they all have to say, not just one or two, you are missing points. it is really hard to explain sometimes. host: let me ask you this. hillary clinton on "state of the union" yesterday said there is a double standard when it comes to women. she said women know it whether you are in politics or the media or some other profession. do you agree with her? caller: i don't. i did at one time but not anymore. there foro much out people to choose from. if they want a female president that is fine. does she have all the qualifications? does she have all the information that she's going to talking tot comes to
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the guys in iran or russia, whichever country comes up? host: let's listen to what hillary clinton had to say yesterday on state of the union. [video clip] >> we are still living with a double standard. i know it. every woman i know knows it. whether you are in the media as a woman, the professions, business, politics. i don't know anything to do other than forging through it and taking the slings and arrows that come with being a woman in the arena. sometimes i talk soft, sometimes i get passing it -- get passionate and i get excited. i don't know any man that does not do the same thing. all of a sudden this is a big discussion about me once again. i'm so used to this. i'm going to keep making my case , talking about what i will do as president. i'm going to keep laying out my
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record. host: the former secretary of state responding that way after jake tapper, the cnn moderator, after or said male pundits are saying you are shouting. how important is it to have the first female president? let's go toronto in ohio. republican -- let's go to ron in ohio. republican. caller: i don't think we need a presidency ate all right now. we have had obama for going on eight years. our economy is almost nonexistent. the middle east is a mess. as far as hillary clinton goes, mideasther job in the was a disaster if you look at the middle east right now. host: what about carly fiorina?
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she is very bright. she has many views. the same as mine. as far as hillary goes, i don't think she could be a president after what she did with ben ghazi and the families and that ghazi. i don't think that is right. the thing with the e-mails. i have a family member in government. if they would have done what hillary did, they would be fired and in jail. host: the washington post editorial says this about the whole e-mail story. the voters need answers. prolonged investigation into the clinton e-mails would be unfair to the candidates. now the federal bureau of investigation is looking into it. overcasts a shadow mrs. clinton's presidency.
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the fbi may be attempting to determine if any foreign hackers were able to penetrate the server. voters deserve to know as soon as possible whether this was a lapse of judgment or something worse. they deserve to be told whether there is any reason to suspect criminal behavior. in the name of fairness, we urge fbi director james comey to do everything possible to answer the question sooner rather than later. if there was no criminal behavior, allowing suspicions and doubts to linger through a campaign year would be wrong. diane in chicago, a democrat. welcome to the conversation. the reason i think hillary clinton is not -- i don't think she's qualified to be president. i live in chicago and also the fact that the democratic already bernie. -- i do like
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i agree with everything he saying, however, bernie is not a fighter and he cannot beat hillary clinton. because they are maniacs. the clintons are crooked. you have to be on their level, dropped to their level. they are crooks, criminals. they will do anything to win. host: who is your candidate? caller: i'm an african american women, 68 years old. i have three daughters who are in their 20's. all college graduates. none of them are voting for hillary clinton. . like donald trump i really like carly fiorina. i think she is smart, intelligent. i think she has a degree of integrity. i would vote for her. they don't want us to vote for carly. host: you are a democrat.
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have you always voted democrat? caller: i have always been democrat. never voted republican. this is the first time i will be voting republican. host: your daughters are saying the same? caller: exactly. we live in chicago. this is so weird. i have other friends who are thinking the same. i feel so sorry for those people in south carolina. they are like on a plantation. i'm sorry to say that. continuegoing to following the clintons into a deep black hole. that is all i have to say. host: you said you are in your 60's. i posed this question earlier to another caller about feeling an obligation because of the fight for the right to vote, pay equality etc.
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everything women have fought for, and obligation -- caller: i think we are beyond that now. we have a lot of economic problems going on now. we can't vote for somebody just because they are democrats or just because they are a woman. we are for more sophisticated than that. that is not the happen. -- that is not going to happen. bernie calls it a revolution. i don't think it is a revolution but i think people are a lot smarter now. you're going to see a lot of gray areas. people are crossing lines right and left. it's going on in the democratic party and don't think black people are going to go with the clintons just because they are the clintons. it's not going to happen this time. host: that change you are talking about. has it changed in the last eight years?
7:30 am i i think it has been coming. i think there is a new awakening among african-american people. i hate to say -- to go back to that. it is true. barack obama did not perform. he did not. if he were on the ticket today, i would not -- we would not vote for him. host: that is diane in chicago. let's go back to 2008 when hillary clinton in washington endorseder campaign, then senator barack obama and she made that remark about putting 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling. [video clip] >> as we gather here today in this historic, magnificent tolding, the 50th woman
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leave this earth is orbiting overhead. if we can blast 50 women into space we will someday launch a woman into the white house. [cheering] >> although we were not able to shatter that highest hardest glass ceiling this time, things to you it has about 18 million cracks in it. host: in 2008, talking about the progress she made running then for president. 2016, here we are. how important is it that we elect the first female president this time around? we will take more of your calls or if we have about 15 minutes left in the discussion. in some other news, a story on many of the front page papers this morning. north korea missile launch blasted.
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the united nations security council on saturday condemned north korea's launch of a and-range missile promised significant sanctions on the government. the security council, the 15 members include the united states, china, and russia said even though north korea characterized the rocket test as a satellite launch, it was clearly an effort to develop a ballistic missile and violated u.n. resolutions dating to 2006. this is also from usa today, some border gates now closed to syrians in turkey. it says that with russian airstrikes intensifying, the syrian rebels stronghold neighboring turkey said sunday it is at capacity to absorb refugees flooding into the country. the deputy prime minister there told cnn that turkey, which is hosting 2.5 million syrians, will continue to let refugees fleeing the war into syria but
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the border gate at this place where it meets syria and turkey remains closed as tens of thousands of syrians have fled from what had been a rebel stronghold. we will go to domestic news on capitol hill. the washington post reports, house republicans are revisiting their most recent budget battle. it says leaders in congress thought last year's spending deal would pave the way for a simple budget season ahead of the november elections. they were wrong. that same group of conservative spectral john boehner to resign amid a fight over government spending are set to rebel against the upcoming house budget. they want the current speaker, paul ryan, to back out of the bipartisan agreement and reset spending targets at a lower level despite recent please for a more united party. in politics news, everyone is focusing on the presidency but usa today has this piece about new hampshire also hosting one
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of the nine key senate races that will determine party control of the senate. the granite state is home to one of the most hotly contested senate races in this nation. a battle between senator kelly ayotte and governor maggie hassan. one of nine races that will determine which party controls the u.s. senate when the next president is sworn into office 7. 201 illinois, mark kirk is getting challenged by tammy duckworth. going over to ohio, senator rob portman is being challenged by ted strickland. in pennsylvania, republican pat woney 151% of the vote -- 51% of the vote.
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republican marco rubio is not running for another third term so that is another race people are watching. benneto, senator michael facing a tough race and in wisconsin, russ feingold, former senator now wants his old seat back. he will challenge ron johnson. in north carolina, richard burr is one that people are watching as well. david. jackson, mississippi. good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call. hillary has accused sanders of hitting below the belt but i think she is the one hitting below the belt. since the first democratic debate -- i listened to the whole thing. om alley was still in the running at that point. she was the only one of the three who demeaned and dismissed fellowas of her debaters.
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also, i can't help remembering that she and her husband gutted glass-steagall and gave us those trade deals and that was the beginning of the financial crisis. i am a year older than bernie sanders but i am definitely going to vote for him. i can't see it any other way. host: that is david in jackson, mississippi. james in arkansas, a republican. your next. -- you are next. good morning. how important is this? caller: i think hillary clinton is not the lady for the office. host: what about carly fiorina? caller: no. i think the only person right now is trump. he is bringing real issues to hand, our country. thisary issues to get country rolling again. no one else is looking at the real issues. we do not have billions of dollars in welfare and retirement funds for these people.
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old.60 years for 47% off paying the people who work and the rest of the people doing nothing. host: corporate alarm rings over republicanruz says leading business people are discussing voting for clinton. it said that speaking ahead of tomorrow's primary jim newsom, a derivative lobbyist who chairs the commodity futures trading commission, a regulator under president george w. bush and he was laughing about the trunk campaign. he says it comes down to trump or cruz, a hillary has my vote. quote and some other close in their from corporate people who are alarmed at the prospect of donald trump or ted cruz winning the nomination.
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also, there is this story in the new york times. the piece about dixville notch. it says that the first nine voters see their spotlight slipping away. the barely discernible township has pared its wilderness with outside political symbolism every four years residents have slipped into voting booths to cast what they thought -- what they say are the first resident to primary votes in the nation. that standing drew ronald reagan, both george bushes and a litany of lesser-known candidates to pitch themselves to the few voters here hoping the ritual would draw notice in a state that romanticizes small-scale candidate visits. perhaps bask in the early decoration of a primary victory that might strengthen their candidacies in the rest of new hampshire. , the grand resort hotel were voters cast their ballot was shuttered 4.5 years ago and is awaiting renovation
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and expansion, though some events still happen on the property. only governor kasich has made it up there this year and residents have offered up a slate of reasons. some say it is because the hotel is closed. haveat the 2016 elections rewarded bigger events. the first in the nation primary is seeing some of its cherished traditions taken up. we are talking about whether or not it is important to elect a female first time as president. caller: i think it is important to elect a female however i am voting for bernie sanders because he represents what i believe and i have traveled all over the world and i have seen how national healthcare is wonderful. i sympathize with hillary's edition.
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i want 11 hours of the benghazi debate. -- they hadse guys nothing on her and of course -- the hope and ghazi deal was nothing but rigged to really hillary's chances. i'm still not been a vote for her but i know that information. it is awful what the republicans due to people. general powell did the same thing. making up stories all the time to ruin her position. host: you're a bernie sanders supporter. what he does not get the nomination? what if it is hillary clinton versus donald trump. caller: i would vote for hillary. i would never vote for donald trump. he wants to put casinos in russia. that is what he is about, making money.
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you don't know that, you don't know mr. trump at all. i know what it is all about. host: that is dell in pennsylvania. the front page of "the washington times." clinton adopting a more combative tone ahead of the new hampshire primary. unlike ahead of the 2008 primary where there were those moments she teared up a couple of times talking about what it is like to be a woman and running for president. mark in milford, new hampshire, an independent. good morning. what do you think about this question? is this part of your calculation? caller: i think it is about time america has a female president. i am an independent undeclared voter in new hampshire. marco rubio ben carson, and carly fiorina. my wife and i decided we are
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going to vote for carly fiorina tomorrow. host: tell us why. is it because she is a female? caller: not all. she is very well spoken, very professional. in 2015 in some of the higher tier debates as well as lower tiered, she seemed to win those debates and she was one of the few or i would say the first and only republican to attack donald trump and to attack hillary clinton. i would love to see carly fiorina versus hillary clinton in the debates. that would be awesome. host: that is how mark says he is going to vote tomorrow when the granite state voters out to the polls and decide. the wall street journal notes more than four in 10 new hampshire voters are registered undeclared and they take part in their party's primary. a big turnout could boost bernie sanders and john kasich, the
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only candidates with a net positive rating among these independents. in the democratic race, 29% of those surveyed, those independent voters say they are sure to vote in this primary. 38% say they are sure to vote in the republican primary. you can see, planning to vote, undecided, leaning toward this primary. you see the breakdown. this could benefit bernie sanders and john kasich. the latest polls, specifically the suffolk university one coming up. a few more of your call. carolina, ashrth darlene in north carolina, republican. caller: the honest with you i feel like our country is really in a mess. i am 62 years old and i have voted since i became of age to vote. get inseen the clintons
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there and seen the damage they have done. there is no humanly way that i her. vote for a lady like my opinion probably does not matter, there are millions of people. she has been so deceitful and she has also been so -- you can see the pride in her to where it is not good pride. it is the downfall for our country. i feel like i was democrat and i went republican and then i went independent because i thought, what are we getting in our country. host: hillary clinton, leaving new hampshire yesterday. she went to flint, michigan to do a tour and talk to voters in michigan. bill clinton, he was
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,risscrossing the granite state trying to convince voters to vote for his wife. there is this headline also in the wall street journal this morning. sanders tests hollywood loyalty. the senator has yet to peel off clinton's big donors out of hollywood. westminster, maryland. how important is the first female president? go ahead, jason. caller: i am a millennial. i'm 32. i think younger millennial women do not feel a sense of urgency that older women do to vote for a woman president because they feel it is inevitable in their life, that they will see a female president. they would rather vote for bernie because of the fact that he more speaks to them. being millennials, we were all born into trickle-down economics. we know there us --
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things that were built before us . we know college was affordable before us and that if you worked a good job you could live the american dream and how to house, send your kids to college. our generation feels we do not have that. we need a revolution. we need to put ourselves the way that our grandparents and our parents were. economically. host: how much college debt you have? caller: i did not go to college. it was not a possibility for me. i knew it was out of my reach. that is a reality a lot of people face that they should not. you should believe that if you have good grades you should have the ability to go to college. i never saw it as a possibility. host: how old are you jason? caller: 32. host: jason, a democrat in westminster, maryland. on that we will keep going. after the short break we will who with david paleologos
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is a pollster and director of political research. will hear from a truck supporter in new hampshire. state rep executive, -- state representative al baldasaro. many businesses benefit from the new have your primary so we had a chance to visit with one of them. take a look. [video clip] >> new hampshire graphic example which -- graphic advantage. we are learning about how political signs are made. before we learn more about the technical aspect, let's talk about your business. what kind of uptick have you seen? >> we have seen a nice jump in business. we have the primaries in town and this type of year -- this time of year we have orders for signs coming in. >> talk about the campaign to work for. what kind of orders are you seeing?
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>> we have done for ben carson, rand paul signs, we do a lot of state and local political players as well. >> when campaign comes to you, what do they have to give you in order to get your business? >> they will give us their artwork or an idea of what they are looking to do. they will tell us what they are looking for, quantities and we will tailor our products to fit them best. >> how many pieces are they looking from you? >> it depends on the size of their campaign. if a statewide a local, it could be 25 of the 5000. >> what is the process like? >> we have a screen set up here. your standard screenprinting process. iece.l load a sign p the machine will spread the ink on the screen and we have a squeegee that does the final printing. >> there is the one color we are
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seeing. what happens when multiple colors are involved? >> we will run it through just like this so the ink will dry and we will send it back through with the second color on. >> if it is a single side you get one, double-sided get the other. just a matter of changing. >> we will just run the same process and flip it around and do the other side. workload, howhe many hours a day do you spend doing this? >> eight hours as a short day for us this time of year. depending on the orders we could be 12 to 15 hour days. >> standing, putting pieces and. >> we have people running around fairly crazy this time of year. >> tell us about the machine. >> it is a 1967 model. it is your standard flatbed clamshell machine. your basic flat side printing platform.
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>> when we see yard signs like this, is it all done on machines like this? >> there are other types. this is the most common. a very basic machine. very reliable. >> especially this time of year. what you like about the work you do? >> the variety. these signs today are red. tomorrow they will be blue. all different types and sizes. never the same thing twice. .> shane milley talk to us about how political yard signs are made. thank you. >> thank you very much. joining us from new hampshire this morning is davey paleologos. here to talk about the final poll heading into tomorrow's primary. let's look at the boston globe. you did this poll. their headline shows rubio
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clothing in -- closing in on trumped in new hampshire. rubio making some ground. explain what is going on. guest: he has had the lead for the last 70 polls taken in new hampshire. he has maintained his lead because there are so many viable candidates in the second-tier. if there were one or two like there were in iowa it might be a different outcome. this poll closed prior to the republican debate and rubio surged into second place at 19%. kasich at 13%. many other viable candidates including jeb bush and chris christie and ted cruz. the anti-trump vote is being split up by a multiple of good candidates in new hampshire. that has made trump's 29% stand tall. it is not a skyscraper of a
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percentage but it powers -- it towers over the other opponents and he has maintained his lead. host: donald trump to cnn yesterday sort of tried to diminish expectations. but then he said, i do want to win. is it looking like he's going to win? the dynamic is different in terms of the viability of the second-tier candidates. you could have a kasich or christie surge. they have to surge past two .thers in the polls or more i would not count jeb bush out either. he was at 10%. some polls had him in single digits. 10% to 15%looking at amongst five candidates, that consumes 50% to 75% of the vote and trump has the other 30%. it's going to take an all or nothing movement behind one or two of the second-tier
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candidates for trump to lose. host: what about the voters in new hampshire waking up yesterday morning to this headline in the boston herald after saturday's gop debate? choke. with marco rubio on the front. just when he needs to be strong rubio wiltz under christie attack. what kind of impact do you think this could have? guest: the headline does not surprise me. my friends at the herald were partners prior to us partnering with the globe. iny tend to crystallize splash format what resulted from this event. that was that marco rubio did not perform well. the question really is how many undecideds will move against him. he was winning undecideds we recorded in our poll. also second choice votes. an interesting piece of this for was the second
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candidates.l of the that's an important indicator. it informs us that the voters are telling us that as candidates drop out like mike huckabee, rick santorum and some of the others who have dropped from the polls with state in, those votes are rotating to marco rubio. that may change or may have changed since the debate. obviously we will see tomorrow. host: the new hampshire union leader endorsed chris christie and in their sunday edition it says, christie is the real deal in an editorial by the publisher. how might he do? guest: we only had him in mid single digits. he has to vault over jeb bush and ted cruz and kasich and rubio. that's going to take -- there is a path but it is going to take the others freezing and him accelerating toward trump. i'm not saying it won't happen
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but given the dynamics and that he is up against some strong second-tier candidates i think it is unlikely. globe," theirton addition cites the poll that you did and they say this, that some 33% of republicans and 13% of democrats said they still might change their minds. guest: that is true. there are two pieces of this that are important for new hampshire. rotation of the voters of christie and kasich and bush. they are all the same in terms of their profile of their niche of the republican party. as both rotate among those three, it is like lack of moral. candidates go up in the go back down and so on. like whack a candidates go up and go back down and so on.
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we screen people who say they are 50-50. we'd screen people who say they are somewhat likely to vote because we want to report only those people who are going to vote. be somewhatay likely to vote in the democratic primary pulled two weeks ago could be likely in the republican primary yesterday. the interplay of independents that may be voting strategically in either party. host: what has happened in the past with independent voters? why is it that they seem to make up their minds at the last minute but also use their strategy. they might decide i'm going to go with the republican primary now when i was thinking i was going to vote in the democratic primary. guest: somewhat likely to vote in the democratic primary pulled two weeks ago could be likely in the republican primary yesterday. they are undeclared voters. in massachusetts we called them unenrolled. you have less loyalty. they are not loyal to anybody
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except the person or pro-or anti-government whatever that might be. in most cases, antigovernment. they are not loyal to democrats or republicans. they do not like the infrastructure within each party so they hold out until the end. until the very last day. an independent who might be a likely voter two weeks ago in one party could then say the race is closing, i would like to strategically vote in the other party. it is hard to capture that. pollsters try to use methodologies like screening, elections.sity, past secretary gardner in new hampshire said turnout is going to be more than it has ever been. so the campaigns have to adjust their modeling in terms of get out the vote operations. host: we are talking with david paleologos, a pollster of this
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last and final poll for suffolk university. did a poll for "the boston globe." new hampshire voters want to hear from you this morning. (202) 748-8003. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. .ndependents, (202) 748-8002 mr. paleologos, how to the candidates strategize? you were talking about independents. how do you strategize in these closing hours to try to get these voters to come to your primary and vote for you? guest: it comes down to voter identification by calling and doorknocking. are these constituents voters of hours? are they strong? how do you neutral? -- are they neutral? courting them, charming them, trying to do anything they can to get them on the side of the
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candidate. the most important thing is drawing them out on election day. do you need a ride to the polls? you need a babysitter? what do you need to get out to the polls? -- if bothation campaigns have operations in play a month ago. do you need an absentee ballot? absentee ballots are big part of new hampshire voting because they do not have early voting in new hampshire. these are the nuts and bolts operations that make the difference between a one point margin and a 10 point margin, winning and losing. host: we were just asking our viewers how important is it to have the first female president. female voters in new hampshire come a what are they saying? guest: on the democratic side in our polling we have had hillary clinton winning among women voters. that disagrees with some of the other polls that have said
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bernie sanders is leading hillarythere is a divide. be withvoters tend to sanders. you mentioned the "new york times" article, an older voters tend to be with hillary clinton. that seems to be what is going on. if you are thinking about operations, hillary clinton will either be polling out the people who are absolutely strongly virtue of the by rotor identification, or doing a out thell that is a get vote operation, a blind poll of in theomen, knowing polling that she leads among that demographic. is she gaining ground, first of all, and what could make this very competitive or possibly she wins in new hampshire? guest: there is a disagreement in the polling about this. pulled usiversity three weeks ago, and we had a
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nine-point race one other pollsters had a 25 or 30 point race three weeks ago. , and we had antly nine-point race. we are not showing anything but a close single-digit race. if you look at the real clear politics average, the numbers have come down. 22,t the average was 21 or for sanders, now down to 16. many of the late polls that came out after the suffolk poll have alln what we have shown along, which is this is going to be a close, single-digit race. depending on the storm, on voter turnout, anything can happen when you have a single-digit race. elizabeth in bellevue, washington, a republican. go ahead. caller: good morning. i watch you every morning. host: glad you do. thank you. caller: i like politics.
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excuse my accent. i am from romania, from bucharest. when i came here, i don't went to school. i work. i learned how much i can do, english. support ms. clinton because our country is too destroy now. that money from china, it is terrible. trump,nt to support mr. because our country is too destroyed now. that money from china, it is terrible. he have money, he support himself with money. but he is interested for our country. ok, elizabeth. mr. paleologos, is that what is resonating with new hampshire
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voters? guest: it is amazing she is your first caller, because donald trump has the most loyal base that i can measure in new hampshire when we asked to the question about, is your mind made up or could you change? whoseare some candidates voters are saying 35%, 40%, even higher it could change. in trump's case, it is in the teens or though 20's. people in new hampshire who like him are voting for him. whether they turnout are not is a different question, depending on the tracking of the storm p request they are telling us in the polling is that they are decided they are voting for him, and that tells me he is poised to win. host: nottingham maryland, chris, a democrat. good morning. caller: i was originally going to ask if you thought hillary could come back in new hampshire, given her previous polls showing her well behind. you generally answer that question. i have another question for you.
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a lot of people like to write off mr. sanders' strong showing in new hampshire as being geographically close to vermont, his home state. but i have also learned and read that many months ago he was far in thatrs. clinton state. so clearly it is an issue of whether people know him or not, and he should have been doing stronger early on. do you think there are other reasons beyond the geographic closeness of vermont that might be leading to mr. sanders' surge? your point, when the polls that were coming out that trailing, he was losing the two biggest counties -- hillsboro and rocking him county -- the two southernmost
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counties, by a large margin. but by the counties that are aligned by the border, he was still winning. so i do believe there is a geographical advantage, at least in those four counties. if you go to a map of new hampshire, you go to the vermont border, it is cheshire, sullivan . those four counties, even when sanders was losing, he was strong. there is a geographical advantage, and i would not discount that argument. sanders'ur point, advantage is demographic in versusf independents democrats. there is a high turnout that should help him. hearingvoters, we are differences about whether young voters will turn out. men, some are conservative men that want to strategically vote in this primary to hurt hillary clinton.
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but certainly there is an advantage there. therewould also say that always has been a geographical advantage. those four counties are not the lions share of the vote in new hampshire. the two big counties have 50% of the vote, but still there is an advantage. host: hillary clinton left new hampshire yesterday, but her in the state doing multiple events. he is seeking one more new hampshire come back, they headline in "usa today." is he more popular than she is, and could he help her go to victory? guest: i am not seeing that. with an earlier caller you were talking about the difference between young women and older women. i have a theory, and it is anecdotal because we never asked the question in the polls. hillary clinton was having
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problems about four or five weeks ago and she brought bill clinton in, i noticed it was amy small substance but i telling you this conversationally -- there was a small group of substantive young -- i do not know whether it is due to the fact that young women felt she was not being independent enough, that she was relying on her husband's presidency and legacy to help boost her up in new hampshire. so potentially it is a double-edged sword. but overall, though clinton has been very popular -- bill clinton has been very popular. isis the younger women, that the demographic hillary clinton needs to go after, and i am not sure that is the perfect match for her in the next 24 hours. host: gettysburg, pennsylvania, and independent. caller: i was going to ask questions, but i am going to make a comment.
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you are talking too much stuff about the clintons. they are criminals. i cannot believe people are putting attention too much about what is going on in the united states because i have somebody writing a book about george bush . really i was surprised what i heard because they are blaming obama for everything that is thinkon and i actually obama is being manipulated by the republicans. host: talking about the immigration issue, that was part of the case saturday night. guest: at how people are just not engaged at all. i think that is true. 2012 -- inack to the we polled people who were not likely voters, who are not registered voters, and there are 100 million people
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that will not vote -- it will actually be a little higher this time around. citizens, americans who were eligible to vote, over 100 million people will not vote. bigger thanis much what a democrat or republican in november will get for a total amount of votes. more and more people are just throwing her hands up in the air and saying my vote does not matter and i am not going to vote. to me that is a very big problem that both political parties and we have to address. host: gregory in alabama, a democrat. you are on the air. i am from the heart of dixie. person, and from
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my point of view, the prejudice that goes on in this nation, divide and conquer, is shameful. i just -- i have been around 52 wers, and i just hope that can overcome all this prejudice and animosity toward blacks and .hites and women and men for us to be called the united states of america, that is a laugh. i just feel like we can be a better nation than where we are right now. and that is a great point, caller. you know, we as pollsters do not help matters, quite frankly -- not to knock the polling industry -- because we report our results and people want to
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know, reporters want to know, what were the numbers among blacks? among hispanics, whites? so we feed into that demand. when wereturn out -- turn out our results, it is not just race. it is geography, gender, political party affiliation, political philosophy. cut it up a we number of different ways. even within the democratic party, which you would think is a unifier in terms of race relations, when we go to south carolina and some of these other states, the discussion will be, how is hillary clinton going to perform among african-americans versus bernie sanders? does not help matters in terms of expanding the conversation. host: what about this demographic? here is a tweet.
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employed, are you seeking employment currently, or have you given up? one of the factors in the unregistered, unlikely poll, a massive americans, is that there is a high percentage of people on disability who have given up, and high percentage of people who do not like either party and what multiple parties like i have in older -- and watch multiple parties like they have in other countries. john is in manchester, a republican. who do you plan to vote for? caller: ted cruz. host: go ahead with your question or comment. i feel my question is, that the media -- the free media -- is distorting a lot of the election results. and a lot of the polls that you seem to, you know, be in that
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business, why do you think that the media seems to be able to have a disproportionate amount of influence over the electorate? only talk about my partnerships. with 7 newspartner in -- i have never, nor what i tolerate -- i have never had someone say to me, we need to ask this question this way. i will not do it. if it is not a fair question, and unbiased question. they may like to test the waters on gun control, or test the may allow-- and i them to suggest a question, but we have a responsibility to ask a fair and unbiased question. david paleologos, let's
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talk about ted cruz and that caller supporting him. what happened in iowa, he has apologized but has claimed that there was a mixup with him learning from cnn that ben carson was going back to florida . he put that out to supporters. he apologize. will that have a lasting impact in new hampshire? i do not think so. ted cruz needs to be careful going forward. if something happens tomorrow at the polls or something happens tonight, with a robo calling incident. if ted cruz is involved, then you have two data points. that begins to show a long-term problem. the challenge for ted cruz in new hampshire is that if he finishes third or worse, then the only person on the republican side who will finish either first or second in iowa and new hampshire will be donald trump.
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that is what he will talk about, i am sure. i finished second in iowa, i am finishedperson who first or second in iowa and new hampshire. that is why the pressure is on ted cruz to perform better. i am not seeing that in the polling. he does have a path, but even rubio, who is going in a little bit damaged, and john kasich and chris christie, who have good debate performances, and jeb bush, who has a double-digit standing, that will be a tough nut to crack. host: let me go to the headlines. times."the new york "rubio is tested as rivals sense vulnerabilities." times"om "the washington -- rubio'sexploit
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slip-up." and then from "the wall street journal," "rubio aims to move past debate setback." "rivals see his -- rubio is tested in new hampshire as rivals sense folder abilities." guest: i would say to that, the narrative going into tomorrow is that rubio is damaged. think about what happens if rubio does finish second like he was before the debate and gets close to donald trump you to republicans will say they threw everything at this guy. everybody turned on him. they ganged up on him in the debate, and he still had a credible showing. i am saying is, if he exceeds expectations, he is in a much more powerful position. if he were to drop third or
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fourth, he would be the first to say i did not give my best debate performance but i am going on to south carolina. if he exceeds expectations, the rivers could happen and it could benefit him. host: so how many tickets are there out of new hampshire? are 3.5.think there host: you have to explain that one. guest: i see trump still prevailing. some would argue that the eminent domain discussion might hurt him. i am not sure about that. and rubio, i still believe he is someplace unless case it and bush or kasich and christie pass him. percentage, a solid but the percentages might be so fine that there might be an additional pass. with ted cruz, i can only think
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that too big iowa winners in the past, like mike huckabee, rick , and it was like to hit a brick wall. ted cruz might do better because the votes are being split up in so many different ways in that moderate path and even the donaldative path because trump is so popular. but i am not so sure that i see take cruise at 20% tomorrow. -- that i see ted cruz at 20% tomorrow. but i could be wrong. host: ok. an independent. caller: good morning. i would like to say, i am a disabled veteran, and i am going to support and vote for hillary bernie, i like what he is saying, but we have to be realistic. it will never happen, what he is trying, what he wants.
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by the words coming out of his more, i think hillary is rounded for foreign affairs and domestic, and she knows what it takes and is realistic about it. she is not just paying lip like ted cruz or rubio. host: that is the argument she is making. she is more pragmatic. david paleologos, what do you think? guest: i agree with that. thinkingollster, i was in new hampshire, among people who are favorable to hillary clinton, we asked would you be excited or not with hillary clinton as the nominee over sanders, and there are people who are excited for both and like both are you have to wonder if voters in new hampshire, though they would vote for hillary clinton and be excited for hillary clinton, want to
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send a message and want to keep bernie sanders' momentum alive, at least in new hampshire, going forward to advance the progressive agenda. because i think a lot of voters are afraid that once hillary clinton is declared the winner, she is immediately going to pass to the middle and away from some of the progressive comments and the progressive policies in place. and a lot of voters are afraid of that. in new hampshire you might have people voting for sanders for just that reason. host: on our line for democrats, kevin in leesburg, virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. your guest earlier mentioned asking fair and unbiased questions. i am sure that is something he takes very seriously that is sort of a core value of pollsters. to ask a question on push polling. i have read some reports online
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-- i do not know if it has been picked up in the mainstream media yet -- that the clinton campaign has been doing some push polling against bernie sanders. the report that i read was -- i have also read that hillary clinton push polling against barack obama in 2008. just explain to other viewers what push polling is. typically these calls, they start out by asking normal sort of unbiased questions that would make someone think that it is the regular polling activity. but then later in the questioning, they start to go into injecting negative aspects against one candidate specifically. ok, kevin. go ahead, mr. paleologos. guest: that is a great summary. let me say this. push polling is to provide a respondent with additional information that the respondent does not have or is not aware
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of, and then to measure the corresponding deviation, the difference between where they were before and where they were afterwards. the textbook says push polling is not a bad thing if you are providing additional information that they do not know. where push polling gets a negative route is when they are implying or giving the respondent information that is not true, that is not confirmed, as a tool tot impact their choice. pollster, back in another someone came to me and said the opponent was this or that, and i said, fine, show me the documentation that they have some personal issue or whatever. so the key is, it is fair game
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if you provide -- and all campaigns do, not just hillary clinton's campaign -- to provide the person with additional information. you may have information on bernie sanders you think is damaging, and the population that your polling does not change or does not believe it. the only way you can measure that and make an informed decision is to conduct the polling and provide the information. host: let's go to ann in rhode island, an independent. caller: thank you for letting me on. i am a progressive independent affiliated in rhode island. i am calling because i want to ' termy bernie sanders "revolution." this is about the people of participating more
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heavily in the political process , and also getting more progressive senators and governors elected. level incipation american politics is well below , and that means that people are letting somebody else decide what is in their best interest. and it works against them. i have examples. i think obama had very many good ts, but hasnten been very stymied, and not just and congressenate
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became more republican as well as governorships. but also, we have other examples. we have senator feingold in wisconsin fighting now to take back his position from ron johnson. host: i am going to take those two examples and we will get a response. guest: it is a great point. it goes to my earlier point. think about it. barack obama, you mentioned, hope and change, big turnout. it appeared that more people were getting engaged. he was getting 50 million those, 65 million votes, depending on which election you were looking at. 100 million people on the same day in america who were eligible to vote did not vote. that is an issue that we at
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suffolk university are taking very seriously. the people need to know that. america.another there is another america out there, 100 million people who ,ust said forget it, it is gone it cannot be repaired, my vote does not matter. those people are not engaged at all. i am not seeing -- i see the trend getting worse going forward. you might see 120 million people in america who will not vote in november. virginia, ahampton, democrat. welcome to the conversation. caller: thank you very much. my question is about full methodology. give me the number of generation moving fromlennials old phones to cell phones. what effect is that hasn't phone polls and how is that being addressed -- what effect is that having on polls and how is that being addressed?
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pollsters who do not 's, whiches use ivr does not mean it is not accurate. there are some that are quite active that that are quite accurate. then we have a live call. but the question of proportion -- what percentage, some do third flank,dd a which is internet polling. the object of polling is to collect a random sample of the people who on election day, game day, are going to vote. you cannot exclude any demographic, race. it is difficult. it is a changing model. what worked four years ago does not work today.
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,ut you always have the ability if you needed, to wait. you always have the ability to assign quotas, which is what we do. but every researcher is trying to do the same thing. there is not some master conspiracy or political adjustment. we are all trying to get it right, and there is good healthy competition. the aggregators like real -- the advocate or's -- there are many that are good. hopefully the people who watch this closely can take a look at the polling, and i am sure people have a favorite pollster out there. but i think in total, it is a crazy, tough business, but we do the best we can given the changing dynamics of young people and mobile phones. viewers want to dig into the numbers from suffolk university, the last poll you guys did was before the gop debate on saturday. go to, is that
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correct? guest: that is correct. go to our website. host: you can find out how they ask the questions and what became of it. , a's get one last call, alex republican. after new hampshire, a lot of media and attention are coming your way. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. 100% for donald trump. he has got a backbone. he knows how to get things done. i mean, my god, you do not become a billionaire and not know nothing. and, too, there is clinton. she turned her back on the boys over there fighting for our country. i mean, they give their life for our country come and what did she do? she did not send no help. she got on the phone with her husband and said it was not a terrorist -- that it was a terrorist attack, but she tells the news people that it was not a terrorist attack. host: we will leave your comments there. david paleologos, as we wrap up our conversation with you, what
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are you looking for tomorrow night? what could surprise you and others watching? guest: i think the turnout. where independents play. i assume the majority of independents will play in primad the impact of the storm. viewers, therehe are a couple of tones in new hampshire, i cannot tell you which comes they are, but if you want to learn a little bit about it, go to our website where we do this analysis called the bellwether analysis, where it looks in how statewide vote will go. towns, followe how those talents vote. that might give you a little bit of a heads up in terms of how the statewide vote will go both on the democratic and republican side. host: will you do that live on their website? be on wgbhi will
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live tomorrow. but you will be able to see their track record in the long tomorrow. host: thank you very much for your insight. guest: my pleasure. host: when we come back we will talk to a trump reporter, state representative al baldasaro. we will talk to him on why he supports the ground game. and then tym rourke from the governor's commission on alcohol and drug abuse. but first our c-span bus has been traveling around new hampshire. we had the chance to speak to a brand-new reporter on the campaign beat. >> we are joined by caitlin clark, the youngest reporter covering the primary.
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>> i work for the scholastic kids press corps, which is a way to interview people and attend a fence and write stories about it. events and write stories about it. at the newre here hampshire primary. what kind of things have you been doing? >> i have been following the election closely. i attended a republican town hall a couple of weeks back. today you interview dr. ben carson. tell us about the experience. >> it was a lot of fun. his duties as director and ask him some questions. carson.t to interview i asked him what my life would be like if he can present -- became president. >> why did you asking those
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questions -- ask him those questions? how it wouldo know impact me and my friends, and be able to tell them. like his answers? >> he gave me straightforward answers, not talking around anything, and i really liked that. >> who else have you interviewed? >> marco rubio, rand paul command carly fiorina. >> what were they like? >> marco rubio gave me the most heartfelt anxiety armored out of candidate.ial and rand paul, like ben carson, prickly answers my questions. and carly fiorina talked about broader answers. do you take away as
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far as reported? ing? is it political journalism? >> it really is not. politics in general is what i love. when i was in first grade my parents took me to disney world, and my dad wanted to see the presidential exhibit. i asked where all the girls were, and he said there has never been a girl presidents. i was interested from that day. >> so your parents are supportive? >> they are super supportive. they read everything before i send it to my editor. they drive me to every event. so how long will you be a kid reporter? the term is for one year, so i have until november. >> talking to us about your experience for scholastic
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kids news. thank you for your time. host: ahead of tomorrow's primary, joining us from manchester this morning is donald trump's campaign supporter al baldasaro, who is a state representative in new hampshire. thank you for being here. let's begin with why you are supporting donald trump. guest: good morning. the reason i'm supporting donald all the i meet candidates. i am a five term state representative, so i have the opportunity to meet and greet everyone. donald trump is a true patriot, politiciansed of making promises and lying. he is the real deal. and impressed with him his contributions to this community, and speaking out and helping. it is like when i supported ronald reagan, switching my
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party from democrat to republican. host: have you always supported to donald trump? guest: i did not. i supported him this summer, after i went to many campaign events. ben carson was around my district, jeb bush i heard, all of them. he just motivated me because i am tired of the promises. i am a veterans activist. i chose to sit on the veterans affairs committee for the last term in new hampshire. i am tired of the making promises and not completing their promises. and i have fellow brothers and sisters dying throughout the country waiting for veterans services. host: so that is the single issue for you? guest: it is not. immigration is a big issue for me. able to serve the marines several years ago, and i've been
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on the board in san jose, where we built the wall over there. immigration is a deficit in national security. donald trump tells it like it is. this political correctness has to go. sometimes you have to say the tough things. i have been doing that in my district for the last 10 years, telling people the way it is. if you don't like it, don't vote for him. freedom, taking care of our veterans. cruz ones in ted iowa with voters who said they were solidly conservative. how would you define donald trump? guest: i looked at donald trump's record and he was a businessman.
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i am a republican conservative, and i go against democrats, i know both sides. when you are in business, people's money is green. builded people's money to things. what he said as a businessman in new york city, making donations to different campaign, adding functions with them, that is a typical businessman. that show you can get along with people across the aisle. you can work it with democrats and republicans. host: what about the focus that comment ont on his social issues like abortion, like health care, what he has said in the past? concernsink that voters? guest: i am pro-life. i believe in women's rights and
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all that. the bottom line is, it is murder. when you are killing a baby that is in the womb with a heartb eat, that is murder to me. people change. i voted against medical marijuana when i was on the floor. when i went to a certain facility, and talks to the nurses about what it does for patients, i switched my vote. that is one of the things that donald trump is learning. he is not a politician, so he individual, a an businessman, the way he thought it was, but he probably never paid it much mind when he was focused on the american dream. what impact do you think the republican debate on saturday will have on the outcome tomorrow night? guest: i honestly think that donald trump will do great. i will explain. , ialked to many independents
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have a lot of undeclared voters in my district. the ninth largest district in the state. we argue largest polling place in the state. undeclareds love donald trump because they know what fiveget when they donald trump. he will look you in the eye and tell you where he stands. he holds no punches. need in thiswe country. political correctness is killing us. i want to gamble on a businessman, because i gambled on politicians and they have screwed over americans. host: the wall street journal it could be said john kasich from ohio that benefits from a high turnout. but independence -- of independents. guest: i don't think so.
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the liberty people will not support john kasich, and that is because he was one of three republicans when he was in congress that voted for the assault ban on weapons. he has no clue whatsoever what it assault weapon is, but he voted to ban it. host: let's get to calls. laura, republican, in michigan. caller: good morning. i have a problem with donald trump. i have watched every one of the debates, and i am a c-span junkie. when someone asks him a more , he says it isn on my website, i will explain that there. anyone who knows anything about business, which i am a business person, salespersons or business people are very good.
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one of the success points are that you are able to talk to people on both sides. this is exactly what donald trump does. what caught me is when he was religion, and talking about how he was religious, and then he said second corinthians, anybody who reads the bible knows it is second corinthians not to s. guest: ronald reagan once said you agree with the 80% of the time, you're not my enemy. i carry a constitution with me all the time because i am a constitutional list.
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i need to be able to give it to you. of. because sometimes when you talk off the top of your head from you may forget something. the bottom line is, he is not perfect. we all make mistakes. of the not the end world. i'm hoping that you take a look at donald trump, and real-life he is no different than you and i, and he makes mistakes, when you're speaking -- and he speaks cuff, no looks at you, he in the eye and tells you what he thinks. host: you sound like you might agree more often with senator ted cruz. why not support him? guest: the reason i cannot support ted cruz is first of all, we had a big issue with the parsers here in new hampshire
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with obama. i would be a hypocrite if i went with ted cruz, and i like ted cruz. anthoutth him, he event and a good friend of he went to an event at a good friend of mine's. he really started stuttering on the question of immigration. i am an old marine, and i can look you in the eye and tell you a few are true to your faith or you're just telling me something i want to hear for your vote. he really lost me on that because i felt he was wobbling. then i looked at his talks when he was in the senate with his amendment, and he says i was trained to kill the bill. i do not agree with that.
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cruz was my second pick. it's not that i do not like the guy, it is just that i question his integrity. host: tennessee, democrat line. caller: good morning. on in you had a caller the first segment from chicago. she said it all. anybody who would vote for the know whatyou nafta is, this guy and this woman, they will do more to hurt this country -- they have done more to hurt this country than any two people i have ever seen. i have been voting in the democratic party my entire life. host: so who is your candidate? caller: this time i will probably end up for donald trump. the reason why is because of two
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things. one, his position on bringing jobs back to this country. culprit.the host: al baldasaro? guest: i was a democrat like him for many years. up until ronald reagan was commander-in-chief, i voted democrat. i worked the polls. i saw the light when i started earning my own money and i realized i wanted the government out of my life, i wanted them to leave my guns alone, i wanted them out of my house. hillary, what she did with those e-mails and classified thatmation, i know marines locked classified material in a safe, and got court-martialed. there is one on trial now who
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said classified material to a congressman as a whistleblower. they are putting him out of the marine corps. i do not understand what i want to think the fbi is a nonpolitical thing, so many democrats are excited about donald trump, because just like i felt when i changed over under ronald reagan, i feel the same way about donald trump. host: we will go to florida, republican caller. caller: thank you. i just want to say it is nice to with hisitician and hi hands in his own pocket, not special interests. i have had problems with 50 a.m. the health care. they offered to cut off my foot, and i had to use my own private insurance to save my foot. 22 veterans are killing themselves a day, and one reason is because they will not give
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them anything but the cheapest medication. i am also of said about the whistle -- upset about the whistleblowers. i do not call the whistleblowers, i called and patriots. guest: they are heroes, you are right. i am a disabled veteran myself. i sit here with arthritis in my first staged cancer. thank you for your service. you have been waiting 10 years, the system has failed you. i recommend you go see the service officer and demand that youree the paperwork that package is still open. and then i would go to the to getsman's office that straightened out right away. determined tos
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fight for the people. if you look at marco rubio, he is running around the country on how he is helping veterans. on behalf of the concerned veterans of america, he filed it in april last year and he dropped the ball. there was 15 cosponsors on the. re. he has done nothing. donald trump is the real deal because he was taking care of veterans long before he decided to run for president. response to the wall street journal this onning, they say the focus marco rubio allowed ted cruz to escape with little notice. jeb bush was the only one able to take on donald trump.
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showed back-and-forth his great weakness is lack of policy knowledge and depth, and that may account for more in later context. host: donald trump knows how to utilize talent. the eminent domain, i am a victim of eminent domain, just so you know. staten new hampshire the stole five acres of my land. i couldn't beat them on the outside, so i ran as a state representative, and i've been beating them on the inside. i helped pass the constitution amendment here in new hampshire where you cannot take private property and then turn it over to public entities. the keystone pipeline. all those projects that everyone supports and tries to push deal with eminent domain. donald trump, even though he needed that parking lot for his project, he dropped the case, he moved on.
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now, he is the wrong person to be going after donald trump. brothers, his family, built a ballpark and took a lot of land from private entities to build that ballpark. he is a hypocrite. i think jeb bush needs to look in the mirror and was stopped bs out there to get votes. tell the truth. caller: my question is about medicare and social security, where the gop has not talked about any of that. fast, and it seems like the gop has done nothing for our veterans. ok.: guest: if you take a look at the house, the house passed the veterans accountability act. they passed many other veterans bills. it has stagnated in the senate. democrats have
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failed us. john mccain, who i think is a great guy, lindsey graham, they are great veterans, but if you want to know something, under their watch and other republicans and democrats veterans are dying throughout the country. reunion -- in our veterans affairs in america, we do not even have a full va -- here in new hampshire, we do not even have a full va hospital. how can i say the system is good or bad if i am not in there? said hewhy donald trump will not touch social security. he will not touch medicare. plan, which is write, he is going to strengthen medicare for life form o veterans and fix the system.
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host: we are talking with al baldasaro who is a trump supporter and is also a five legislator here in new hampshire. myler: al baldasaro is representative. i will be voting for trump. here is my concern. i am not sure he is electable. years ago he was anti-gun, now he is pro-gun. he was pro-choice, now he is pro-life. not even that long ago he gave a lot of money to democratic candidates. my concern is that i don't believe he is electable nationwide.
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that is my biggest concern. guest: thank you for your phone call. , over to londonderry, and you can listen to trump. i have no clue about gun laws and gun rights when i was elected, because i lived in a state that just takes away your gun rights and the right to protect yourself. people can change on different issues. when you get outside the bottle, it makes a big difference. et down at the table with donald trump, i pulled out and asked him wha questions on this.
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you have to look at issues outside of your box. once you get outside of your box you really open your eyes on in the law. i was disgusted on immigration ted cruz, because he was flip-flopping. and ted cruz on fox news started choking. , but leaning toward cruz i feel he is a politician, and i am tired of them giving sbs. teder: i do believe that cruz has been a consistent conservative. i agree with what he said before, about the 80% of the time. i am more on the side of ted cruz, i will stick with my vote.
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but i still respect al baldasaro . independent, you're next. caller: so many things on my list i have been making here. theal security, some of republicans, which i support the republicans more than democrats, for sure. they're going to try to do away with social security, why are they having it pulled out of everybody's paycheck? jobs moving out of the country, how is that going to help the country? we have to have someone in there who will keep country employed. why are our taxes going up with the oil prices so low? why are our utilities going up when the oil prices are so
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low? ted cruz because he lives by the constitution. we need somebody in the who will live by the constitution. it is not outdated. it is what we need to live by today. host: al baldasaro? guest: it is a shame. some republicans and democrats look at social security as an entitlement donald trump says that is your own money, you , and that is why he is not going to touch it. did ted cruz tell you he just got a pay raise in january, but yet the social security people did not get a pay raise? retired veterans, disabled veterans did not get a raise. this is why i have no use whatsoever for the gop establishment, or the democrat politicians anymore. i feel they let us down. that what donald
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trump becomes president, that we elect a good republican team, congress and the senate, that can work hand-in-hand with donald trump. get rid of the vs, get rid of all of these loopholes and taxes. in donald i believe trump. you're not successful because you are an idiot in business. talent,ow to utilize and donald trump is the same way. why would he even asked me and others to help with writing up the veterans plan, on getting him caps on what the real issues are in the trenches, not what the politicians are telling you? been campaigning with donald trump, do you plan to be with him today? guest: i speak with him and a lot of his functions. i will be with him today, and i will be with him this evening. matter of fact, i will be with his son at 3:00 p.m.
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host: we will have coverage of his events as afternoon. it is part of our road to the white house coverage as well as covering the former florida governor at 12:00 p.m. eastern time. on the democratic side, bernie sanders at 6:00 p.m. eastern time. if you miss one of their events, go to and about the ground game, groundes donald trump's game look like in new hampshire, and how important is that? he is the only candidate that has an officer in massachusetts. he has people all over.
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the volunteers are unbelievable in this stage. just go to trump and look at all the people volunteering. moving people around the beginning of their seats -- around, getting them to their seats. my district of londonderry in the largest polling place in the state. i'm hoping that donald trump will be there in the morning of the election to meet and greet the residence of my district. host: will you be watching or -- your district tuesday night as an indication of how well donald trump will do? guest: without a doubt i will be looking at it. the polls have donald trump in double-jointed. sometimes here in new hampshire the undeclared's are hard to tell. i'm going off of what i've heard in the trenches. i am out and about all the time. the undeclared i believe they are shifting towards donald trump, the ones that i talked
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to, the ones that i meet at the functions. the enthusiasm, the motivation, the people disgusted with the establishment, the government making promises and giving them nothing. we want government out of our life. donald trump, if you look at the constitution, heelys and security of the country. i'm a veteran, i served in desert storm, i sent my son to war. i know what it is like to be in desert storm, but my son knows like whe what it is like to be n iraq. we do not need to be in syria, because that is a civil war. we have no right to put american blood on the ground in the civil war. once it is over, we will go in and clean up the mess. real clear politics has this on the latest in the polls heading into tomorrow. average,ump with an leading a 31.3.
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after that is marco rubio as 13.3. ted cruz is at 12. thenush follows that, carly fiorina, and ben carson. democrat line, you are on the air. caller: i would like to get to know donald trump better. how do we get him to answer the questions? guest: that is a great question. i have been a state representative for five terms, i'm in my 10th year. when you're speaking at a debate when you're speaking in front of people, you have 20 seconds to try to get your words together. minutes, have that five minutes, 10 minutes. these debates to get this message out there, so you can explain. toecommend that you go
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donald trump's website where he talks about taxes and other stuff. i wish i could give you a better answer, but all the candidates, and myself being on the trail, i am up for reelection. he did not get the opportunity to break down the whole issue so people can grasp it. donald trump is very approachable, you can asking personal questions. to sane will go bernardino, california, republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i want to first say i agree with , especiallydy has with the way the world is right now, has changed their mind on a lot of issues. i totally agree with trump and his changes. i also like the fact that he does not have rehearsed speeches that he makes. he speaks from the heart.
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i just wish that more people would see that instead of just he is just talking to be talking. ,e is not a career politician and he does the from the heart. as far as the other ones go, i have been watching everybody. saw the first debate to the last debate, and i saw many of them slip on their issues. flip on their issues. question is, when is he coming out to california, because california, believe it or not, is turning into a red state. us than not are for trump. when will you be coming out there? -- he be coming out here? californiaare right,
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is a beautiful state. i love california. know.t i know he has been a very couple of times already. i do not have a schedule, to know when he will be there. votes, knowing donald trump, because he has his own plane, he is not taking money from anyone else, there is no doubt he will be out there. when i livednty, there, was a big republican forty, and was a win-win many others and that is where i switched over and became a republican. host: independent line. good morning, michael. caller: good morning. i have a comment as a question. and a question. my comment is the united states treasury department and the veterans administration are both arms of the u.s. government. --y a advocate for veterans the v.a. advocate for veterans,
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and the treasury department has allocated dollars for struggling homeowners. tot mechanism is in place assistl of programs to struggling veteran homeowners? guest: there is a program out there called the iirl. it helps veterans refinance the ir homes with the v.a.. it is a no-brainer. i even refinance my home. i use that program. there is a rebate in there to help veterans with their homes. i recommend you go to the bank and use that program with your v.a. certificate. you earned it. you put your name on the dotted helps fight forn
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our freedom. thank you for your service. i have not had a conversation with him, i just know well that he is loyal and dedicated to the veteran community. i myself, would not even think about supporting any presidential candidate if i do not think they were. when i first met donald trump, when he said nothing about something about politicians, i would stop him and say i am an elected official. we have been best friends ever since. but donald trump is not a politician. as wheng to look at him he becomes the president, as an elected official, because too many politicians give you a bunch of bs. -- kenneth i is watching us in arkansas.
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good morning. good morning. my dad told me something a long time ago. he was 86 role before he died -- 86 years old before he died. he said anything you want to know about the world is in the bible. i have an answer to this election problem. or sheer what person, he is elected, that is not going to solve our problems. i believe what my dad told me to do. go to the word, and you will find your answers. dadd with my dad -- what my did. , this is thef acts answer to our problems about these elections. i want you to substitute those 12 disciples for the senate, the house, and the people of america. this will tell you how to solve this election problem. when the number of disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring against
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the hebrews because i that widows were neglected. in the 12 called the multitude of disciples and said there is no reason we should leave the word of god and serve tables. therefore, look for you seven men of great report that we may afford over this business. host: you have a question? caller: i want to show you something. and this please the whole multitude, and they chose those seven. if we get rid of the gerrymandering, and let the people choose the representatives of this nation, those presidential candidates will not solve this problem until the people -- host: i will leave it there and
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have our guest jump in. guest: thank you. , i'm trying to figure out how to answer this. i go every so often. , he wants to bring back -- our country was founded on christianity. he believes in bringing that back in getting rid of this pc stuff. i would say, listen to donald trump. he wants churches back taking care of their own. he wants government out of your life. it is a no-brainer. you take a look at his salvation that is raising money to take care veterans. he was taking her veterans long before he decided to run for president. country, win-win for a to let the people take care of their own, and stop depending on government.
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when you depend on, and they start taxing more and more, your quality of life goes down, because if you tax me more i either have to sell my house and move it to a smaller home or rent an apartment. s withat happen higher taxes. host: republican line, you're next. caller: first of all, you stated that trump have his own plane. who do you think is paying for the security to run all over? i am 72 years old. i remember in the 1980's and 1990's that trump's father had to bail him out more than once. his father died in 1999. since then. nothing he sells his name for stock. he is nothing more than a clown.
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it is sad. host: i can answer that -- guest: i can answer that. you might have to stop reading the liberal media and trust but verify. donald trump is a very successful guy. his father loaned him a million dollars. wouldou are in business, you have 7500 businesses going on, and cannot be successful at every one of them. did he have a few temporary , yes he did. but he came up with solutions that are very successful. donald trump has a lot of women , he took a lady engineer and gave her the opportunity to build his big buildings. don't listen to the liberal media that is out there. one of the nice things about c-span, and not only has republicans, they have independence, and i have democrats, different views.
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be careful who you get views from. host: donald trump did talk with , so ifs steve scully you want to hear his own words, you can go to for about five minutes, and you can watch the interview. we will be at an event today in londonderry, new hampshire, around 1:30 p.m. eastern time. let's go to john, in florida, independent line. caller: good morning. people are the engine that runs this country. not businesses. this trickle down economy, giving tax breaks to companies to thehe tax breaks consumer. the consumer will spend the men and that will create jobs. giving tax breaks and free money to businesses does not create jobs, they just invest in other
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things, and have not hired very many people. should give tax breaks, maybe even double social security. put a surcharge on every government agency, and to pay for it they will just have to let people go in their budget. guest: you are preaching to the choir. in the last 10 years i have , ied on the state taxes believe government should live within its means. 50 legislators that voted against this. the reason i voted against it was because of the $800 million in overspending. right, and i think you need to take a look at donald trump's tax plan on giving breaks to middle-class and working families.
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save businesses are not the backbone, remember that businesses are people. people are running those businesses. they are the backbone, because whether you are a small mom-and-pop shop, you are putting people to work, and you grow from there and get bigger. you put these taxes on them, that is less people you can hire them. i have been fighting them on that, and i hope donald trump believes the same way. you are trying to save money to raise a family, enough is enough with the taxes. live within your means, take a look at the spending. host: joe, oklahoma city, democrat. caller: thank you for taking my call. host: question or comment? caller: a comment followed by a question. the thing i want to address is a
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few things that have been floated this morning. there is really too much oniance by donald trump saying what he feels like he should say to get certain voters to vote for him, even he does notistorically have the makings of the things he is saying. for example, not left-wing media, by fax, you could go back and watch interviews where he and freedom,iberty was pro-choice, was pro-national health system, and then you tie them to the fact that the bible has over 7000 references to feeding, sheltering, and taking care of the poor. it also says rich people will have a hard time getting into heaven, and does not seem to concern about that. the problem is greed. if there are only two candidates
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worth voting for, donald trump because he cannot be bought, and bernie sanders, because he will be, thell not difference is that donald trump is a narcissist. host: i have to jump in, we are running out of time. guest: when you're in business, we had a family restaurant. i am a conservative constitutionalists, but i'm anything shary city on business. city onin a sanctuary business. whether you are republican, independent, or democrat, your money is still green when you are in business. you're in business to keep people working to make a good living for your family. we shut down the business because of a lot of crime and the century city.
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-- decline in the sanctuary city. but ieve in the bible, also once again believe in the hampshire constitution and the u.s. constitution. thank you for your comment. host: thank you for talking to our viewers and fielding questions this morning. we appreciate it. guest: i have enjoyed it. we will see you this afternoon. host: donald trumps a foreigner and a five term state representative, we appreciate it. trump supporter, and five term state representative, we appreciate it. when we come back we will talk newym rourke from the hampshire governor's commission on alcohol and drug abuse. first, members of the media have descended on new hampshire. we had a chance to talk to her professional photographer who is
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working to capture the candidates in a different light. take a listen. >> we are joined by professional photographer mark to talk about a project of his. he is taking pictures of all the presidential candidates. what you trying to achieve? >> we have all seen photographs of the candidates over and over again. i was trying to come at it from a different angle, something more revealing an intimate -- and intimate. a little quirkier. >> let's talk about the photographs. this is carly fiorina. >> we have done of outside this factory, we were waiting for her to arrive. she arrived, and went right past us. then wewed her, and caught this moment, which is a different take. >> and then bernie sanders. sanderspical bernie fashion, he is speaking at a golf club.
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he is done, he makes a beeline for his car. next to him,right i cannot get him technology, but i caught a moment that says something about burning. >> someone who acknowledged he was jeb bush. he looked right at you. tell us about the expression on his face. >> we were actually on the jeb bus. we were invited on. i had a few minutes, and he was smiling. and i said, governor bush, can you please give me serious. and he said i will think about isis. and then he said i will think about hillary, and he looked more serious. and then he said i will think about donald trump, and he started laughing. who is not laughing is hillary clinton. but she has a little bit of a smile. tell us about this. accessiblenot that
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to us, they always said they would give us time with her, but that never happened. she was shake hands on the line, and we went off camera. this was a moment where i was a foot away from her, and try to capture something that was not cliché. >> it sounds like a lot of time invested in this project. tell us about it. >> it was crazy. every other day, when i did not have a commercial job in boston, i would zoom around. i would watch schedules, i would work with my manager. 30 times,ck and forth maybe more. it was a wonderful project. it was wonderful to see everybody up close. such a great mixture in this race this year. >> 20 to learn most, doing this learnt -- what did you
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most, doing this project? ,> a new way to shoot portraits for me, and a way to capture a special moment for someone. i'm going to these foot a lot, and it is challenging to capture the moment when their smile disappeared, and that what is what i was looking for. >> there are other photographs in this series by professional photographer mark. thank you for your time. >> thank you. joining us this morning from manchester, new hampshire , the chair of the hampshire governor's commission on alcohol and drug abuse and here to talk about the heroin addiction problem in new hampshire and how it is playing out in this primary cycle. let's begin with the problem in new hampshire. describe it. guest: sure. in new hampshire we really consider it a nightmare. in 2015 we had 400 overdose
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deaths due to either heroine, the, fat milk, or other heroine, fentanyl, or other opiates. a dramatic increase in deaths. we are losing one new hampshire resident everyday. are working on rescue drugs to give to alex in the middle of an overdose. it is not just in traditional areas, like inner cities, it is touching every corner of our society. host: we are showing viewers charts we are putting together. 12 years andents
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older that have ever used heroin. abuse of heroin and prescription opiates. who are using these drugs? is anybody, young and old, men and women, those who have struggled with substance abuse for much of their life. have been exposed to a prescription opioids, a painkiller they received after surgery and were not aware of its addictive nature. we are hearing stories of all walks of life. there was a poll done by the university of new hampshire that talked about substance abuse as the number one public health issue among voters. exceeding jobs and the economy. the survey also noted that about half of new hampshire voters know someone who is struggling with a disorder, or is caring for someone who is. is really affecting society
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in our state. host: how did this happen in new hampshire? guest: it is the same as in any other state, where this particular heroin epidemic was really preceded by a misuse of description drugs -- prescription drugs. we began to see pain killers diverted from the medical community. doctors were prescribing them, not aware of their addictive nature. or we had doctor shopping, patients going from doctor to doctor, complaining about pain. 9-2011, we began to address prescription movinging programs, and
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to the streets and heroin for those who cannot access prescription drugs. there was limited treatment access, so there was a perfect storm for us. host: there was a very tragic impact. what about the economic impact on the state of new hampshire? guest: ben is a great question, and very important, because there is a huge social cost. but there is also a huge economic drag on the state of new hampshire. an economist has been commissioned to do a study on the economic impact of an treated -- untreated substance abuse. themost recent numbers but cost for the state of new hampshire at about $2 billion a year. for is about 3% of the gdp the state. from lost worker productivity,
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to the other more traditional for of untreated addiction law enforcement, safety, and health care issues and cost. there were really wasn't much that could impact the gross state product that dramatically as the nature of addiction. if we could provide proper treatment, prevention, what that would do for our economy. for us, in the political debate, as well as the community conversation, not just the life lost, but the economic conversation as well. host: we are talking with tym rourke about the heroin epidemic in new hampshire and across the country. we want to get you in the conversation. as many of you know, the amount of people in new hampshire that knows somebody who has used heroin, who hasn't used it, who has died from it, is staggering.
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republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. for independent colors, (202) 748-8002 -- callers, (202) 748-8002. new hampshire ranks second to last among states when it comes to access his substance abuse treatment programs for those who need it. is we have a waiting list at the residential facilities we have that can run up to 14 weeks. the nature of this disorder is such that when somebody is ready they arement, it they ar ready right then and there. this is a huge disadvantage.
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new hampshire also spends about second to last in united dates, and last in new england per capita on substance abuse services of any kind. we have had come historically, high rates of use. not just in this epidemic, but in other drug issues preceding it. part of that has been fueled -- five effectof for a lot of people it is hard to find treatment and recovery services. host: addiction is a disease, and we must make sure that those addiction can thi have access to services to treat a this illness. what is the plan? , and wee have two goals are creating a plan similar to the national drug control strategy. plan calls to increase the
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number of people who are in active treatment and recovery support. and two, to reduce substance abusethrough better efforts arod primary prevention services. we have been working over the last couple of years to reduce -- to increase treatment access. we have been working to increase funding for that and to monitor the parity provisions in the affordable care act so people can be sure and they go to treatment, their health insurance will work. that is something we are working on right now and we have begun to see the building of new treatment capacity in the state. it has been slow and we are hoping to increase it. host: steve is in manchester, a democrat. you are on the air. caller: good morning. guest: good morning. caller: my last name is also rourke. guest: small world.
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[laughter] aller: this started quite while ago before 2009, i can remember working in a place where there were two guys who were getting it whenever they needed it and they were selling it to other guys who works there and they could go back to a doctor and get it anytime they wanted. they could get a big bottle. host: tym rourke? is important. we are in the middle of a heroin epidemic and that is the conversation both here and nationally but this is not new. increase in an substance abuse over the past 20 and 30 years and we have a particular drug on the street that is quite dangerous and so a lot of attention is being paid right now but it is bringing out of the shadows and epidemic that
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has existed across the country for decades. as see points out, it has affected our immunities for a long time. to a lot of us, myself, members of the commission, the community that is working to address this issue, there is a hope that the epidemic we are in right now -- while it is unfortunate -- is the opportunity to finally get ahead of better treatment capacity and better policies to make sure that people can get the help they need. host: what about the cost of heroin? is that i factor in the rise of abuse? guest: sure, it is. this particular epidemic started with prescription drug abuse. and folks may have begun addicted to prescription opiates but eventually, the cost of the purchase on the street went up and so what began to happen is
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that they went to heroin. and caroline is inexpensive right now. inexpensive to produce and sell. thosean enticement for suffering who couldn't access prescription drugs, they had no choice but to turn to cheaper alternatives like heroin. and the fact that it is incredibly inexpensive is a driver as to why we are seeing opiates, but on the streets. the: tym rourke, tell us cost difference between the two? guest: that is probably a question for the department of safety in real time that for under five dollars you can get an amount of hair when it is easy to come by. prescription drugs are harder because the country has done a good job of diverting them off the street so it is difficult to find prescribed opiates. can and i'm sure folks in recovery could share those
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stories but i have an instance of a woman who struggled with addiction and she was in contact with her dealer and they wanted to charge or $100 a pill. when she couldn't afford it, she tried less expensive heroin. host: laura is in elizabethtown, kentucky. a republican. caller: yes, thank you for taking my call. there are very innocent people , who,including myself because of myself having health --uries or narrow path the pathy, they need to have pain medication daily to do daily activity. and my reason of calling is because i get sick and tired of people making me feel like there is something wrong with me that i can't tolerate pain or
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whatever. and people try to make me feel guilty that i have to have some sort of pain medication. take -- because of my kidneys and i did hear the pu the hope that -- lpit, where my reverend said some of the pain was in my head. it is like guns in my opinion. guns don't kill people. drugs don't kill. people become addicted. drugs have an issue with control. host: ok, a couple of different issues there. tym rourke? guest: one of the things we are
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being sensitive to in new hampshire here is that this is not about pain medicine being bad for everybody and, in fact, painve to make sure that be used by folks who need chronic ongoing pain medication. they shouldn't see their care interfered with. so in new hampshire, we are working with the medical society and a national expert on pain management and substance abuse issues. we are working to create appropriate guidelines so the health care community can reduce the likelihood that someone would become addicted but by the same token, make sure the medications are available for patients who need them, like this caller. is challenge with opiates that they are highly addictive because of how they bond with
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receptors in the brain. and there are some folks, for genetic reasons and the way their biochemistry is made up, they react in a different way , suchthe average person as yourself. or if they use for too much or too long, they could develop a disorder. so part of what we are working on is that they are able to do the appropriate screening and interventions so that when someone is in need of pain management, doctors and patients can be assured that they will get the care they need and if there were to be at risk that their biological makeup could lead them down the path of developing a disorder, that they are carefully monitored. careful -- it is very important that we do not stigmatize or make difficult for people who have pain and need pain management. tym rourke, there is
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another component. self medication. and people get addicted to these drugs. how do you treat somebody who is using this drug to deal with depression or some other issue? guest: sure. a significant number of folks -- maybeop this issue depression or anxiety disorder -- people can begin using as a result of this issue. so it is important to make sure we have integrated care. so people are not just being treated for the substance abuse disorder but also for any other order -- for any other issue that may have driven them to this disorder. therapytive behavioral and intervention and mental health providers to have additional training with addiction because sometimes,
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folks present with a mental health disorder first only to discover they have a substance abuse disorder second. so it is making sure that professionals have the best science available. something else that is important to talk about is that the idea isn't a therapy. there are medications that people can take where they don't suffer withdrawal symptoms. it is becoming an increasingly important intervention around the epidemic and you are seeing that nationally where the drug center has taken steps to make sure that people can get the help they need while they are in recovery. host: we are going to daryl, an independent from michigan. good morning. caller: good morning.
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have americans are member history of seven or eight years ago that is pertinent now with the low cost of heroin. afghanistan, it became the policy of the united states military to protect the poppy fields in afghanistan and to protect the farmers who were growing the poppy fields. that was the first time of history where we actually had a chance to destroy 85% of the and we sat on our hands. connectlike somebody to the dots as to why this opportunity was missed. host: that brings up with the candidates who are running for president are saying to voters. many of them are putting forth solutions to the problem across the country. ted cruz told folks that it can
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be a solution to the federal government. it has to be friends and family and closing the borders to not allow these drugs to come into the country. yes, on this epidemic, the u.s. surgeon general spoke and talked about the current heroin and opium epidemic as a tragedy of our own making. and to some degree, that is a fair assessment. what happened with the puppy fields in afghanistan at the balance between law enforcement intervention and health care intervention and whether we have missed the boat on those that have driven the epidemic to where we are at right now. -- i thinkt there that this is an all hands on deck moment. it is used quite frequently when talking about drug abuse.
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there is a role for the federal government right now as much as there is for the states and the communities. we have to gather together to get through this. there has to be a balance between law enforcement and addiction and public health and health care. whether or not what we're having we are seeing a lot of heroin in our state that is coming up from south america do have a -- we marketplace here in the state of new hampshire and in this country and there are multiple places across the globe where heroin can be obtained. so i think there is a law enforcement job with this. but now you are beginning to see more of a pivot towards it being a health care issue and a disease. because you can reduce the supply but if you don't reduce the demand, it makes it even byder. and you reduce demand getting people into treatment and recovery.
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and that is an area where we have not done well over the last 20-30 years. weare seeing some some -- are seeing some conversation outside of our country to reduce but we have to pay attention to demand. and that is a new thing that we are seeing with drug policy in the presidential candidate. they are talking about this as a health care issue. making sure people can get the support that they need. because without that, reducing the supply doesn't make a difference. host: we are going to louisiana. good morning. caller: how are you doing? person talking in about the drug abuse. i have a friend who has a double doctorate in chemistry. she took 20 oxycodone a day. back surgeryfailed and people laugh at me at pain management and say, what do you take? a day four hydrocodone
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and they laugh at me. idiot for not being on oxycodone. so i'm getting lumped in with youof the drug abusers and are going to take away my chronic pain medication that i need and i don't abuse. host: ok, tym rourke address that earlier. let me go on to robert. good morning, robert. caller: hello. the drug conviction is getting worse every day. the economy is so bad that dead ande dropping then when they can't afford that, they go to the spots that
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are around and the government wants to start letting people smoke marijuana. our president is dividing this , he could care less about anybody but himself. it's time we get somebody in somethingcares about besides giving people money to blow us up. it is insane. ok, tym rourke, why don't you take those two calls. guest: i want to touch on the marijuana policy because that is one of the next emerging conversations. we have started to see states engage with legalizing and we have new hampshire passing medical marijuana. therapeutic cannabis. there are implications of easier access to another access on our streets and what it may or may not do. i think that in colorado we have that.
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it is interesting that i will see people but heads. chris christie has specifically ,alked about marijuana policy feeling like the states are out of touch with federal law. that will be something we have to watch for because that, right now is being dealt with a state-by-state level and currently, the federal government has been hands-off. thing, and this ties back and goes back to the previous caller, there is relative agreement that there are medical benefit to the chemicals that make up marijuana. we have finally seen the fda allowing for additional research around medications to be produced from marijuana which is a far better and safer policy from a health care standpoint, then allowing states to open
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privately owned companies where certification is suspect. so for those who are dealing with pain, like the previous caller, we do need to have conversations about substance abuse and talk about potential medications that have the opportunity to relieve pain for those who have chronic pain. we need to work hard not to stigmatize folks from getting the kind of care that they need to get themselves well. reducingo work on stigma from those who suffer from a disorder. we want to have a conversation around opiates so that people don't feel ashamed to get it because if people need medication, they should have access. host: georgetown, massachusetts. stan is watching there. you are on the air. caller: thank you for taking my call.
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i would like to piggyback off the previous caller who talks about afghanistan. and the opioids there. i remember shortly after we invaded afghanistan that within a couple of years, the media was opioid production in afghanistan was at an all-time high. and that happened for a few years. and then you stop hearing about it. so i think that with hair when becoming more available, being cheaper to get, and it is around more and more, we do have a overwhelmingis government meddling in things and actually providing drugs to the streets in the united states.
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oflooking at this avenue opiate production and how it has become more available in our country is a big concern if we look at the ways our government has been doing things. not on the up and up. there is a lot of shady business. host: tym rourke? one of the challenges that we are seeing right now is that the opium epidemic is not the real problem. we have had some of the highest per capita rates of substance abuse over the last 20 or 30 years. and before her when it was something else. and i think the concern for us is that we are trying to address this epidemic, recognizing that heroin and opiates are not the only problem. people thans more all other illicit drugs combined. so it is important that we think about policies to address the
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, maybe to theon extent of which our government is intervening, but the reality is that we will overcome this epidemic and it will be replaced by something else. people inton get the treatment and recovery that they need. evenat is why i think that our law enforcement partners in our state are doing incredible work to keep the streets safe and to address this on the ground. we are looking to the health care community and others to begin to embrace treating substance abuse disorders like a disease. state, we are seeing the introduction of new drugs on the streets of new hampshire that we have not seen before. such as methamphetamine which in thesed destruction midwest and hasn't gotten here but it is coming and we are
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seeing it already. so we cannot keep our eyes solely on the opiate issue. we will still have a drug and alcohol problem in the country. host: then, what is up be heart of it, tym rourke? that it should be treated like a disease. there is no other disease where you can have it and be refused treatment. where you can find treatment or if you do, it could take 6-8 weeks. have read 20 or 30 years of discrimination of people for mental health and substance abuse disorders in the health insurance marketplace. act andntil the parity the affordable care act, people completely found it legal for insurance companies to deny
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someone coverage. so this is really about making sure people can get the care that they need. this is entirely preventable. yet to make sure the health care community is doing proper screenings. people are getting appropriate messaging and at the first sign, help is available. host: let's go to ohio with brad, a democrat. caller: hello. i just want to say that i appreciate tym rourke taking action. and about the accessibility? i was injured recently at work and the doctors, when i go there, they treat me like i am already addicted to opiates, i guess. to the point that they won't allow me to get them even though i have never been on them before. i think there are going to be people just like me in the issue andt have an
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pain that is chronic who are not going to be able to get these medications. because i can't even get them , and ireason whatsoever don't want to be addicted to any kind of drug or whatever. in the same token, for people who are injured to need the medication, the doctors are working with their hands tied behind their back because they aren't even really treating me to where i can go through my daily routine. and it isne depressing and i understand it is an epidemic but there are people out there who are are song because there many stipulations and regulations with regard to giving out a prescription. let's go to bill in
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lubbock, texas. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. know where a lot of the opioids are coming from. especially the methamphetamines and how much we seize every day along the texas border but i'm so glad that they now are going to start treating this as an addiction problem. to listen toeed some of the candidates who say that we have to secure our borders. we have to do this. not only the ground borders but also the ports. host: let's take that point. tym rourke? guest: yes, it requires a balanced approach. one of the reasons that new hampshire and new england have high rates of substance abuse is because we have major highway corridor doors between canada, new hampshire and boston and new york. -- tore does need to be a
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aninappropriate -- to be appropriate intervention. over time, we need to reduce demand through effective treatment services. it is about doing both. if you look at drug and alcohol policy in our country over the last 20-30 years, we have oscillated back and forth and have not struck a balance. and there is a hope that the existing drug control policy will strike a balance. and i think candidates will have would newt least hampshire voters, about a policy. but whether that includes closing borders or being restricted but also making sure that people who are ill get a chance to get well. host: there have been many events in new hampshire were candidates are talking about it and ask questions about it when they talk to voters and
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recently, we covered a forum that ted cruz was at and the -- the government vermont governor was there as well. we are got -- we are going to mark, good morning to you. debate this is a great or subject. and iere in cape cod think everywhere suffers from it. maine, and we just had an hbo documentary -- i didn't see the first one because but it wasjust -- called heroine, cape cod. something to that extent. i never had a problem with it myself but i am familiar with it and i think it is not a
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disease. i think it is a mental illness. it is caused by depression, boredom or people who can't cope with life. i broke my job 13 years ago and i had it wired shut and i was on liquid codeine which is the hottest thing right now. it is like the zero and it is super strong. the long and the short of it is that when my prescription ran out and my job was healed, i didn't have a drive to want to take more. but other people do have that addiction. host: i think we are understanding your point. tym rourke, can you talk about that? guest: yes. sorry, i lost my train of thought. important to recognize
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that sentence abuse disorder is a mental illness. and substanceus abuse disorders are diseases. the former congressman kennedy who started an organization to look at checkups from the neck up. the idea that they are a disease and for many they are driven by that. it is important and one of the reasons that we are challenged to get treatments made available and for people to seek it has to do with the fact that it is a disease that is stigmatized and people don't recognize it themselves that they have a health care issue. because they are treated as if it was a bad choice or a personal failure. while choice may have something to do with it, this is a disease. tym rourke is the chair of the new hampshire governor's commission on alcohol and drug use. you want to thank you for
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talking about this issue. guest: thank you very much. host: that does it today for this morning's washington journal. he will be back tomorrow to get more of your calls and comments about the campaign 2016. you can go to our website at to get more coverage. enjoy your day. hampshire primaries are tomorrow and politico is writing about the campaign of jeb bush. they write that it enters the last day before the new hampshire vote with the single
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aim of delivering a top-five performance that justifies pushing south where they believe in better organization and a family rescue plan can drag it up from the seller. inside, the people jeb bush team think ceiling needs to be well enough to rationalize a trip to the carolinas. they will bring in george w. bush, already featured in a tv spot to campaign and that is already underway. that is from an article in politico this morning. c-span is with mr. bush at the other candidates today before they go to new hampshire. donald trump is as a lions club towering live at 1:30 and bernie sanders will appear at the university of new hampshire in durham and live coverage there starts at 6:00 p.m. and all coverage will be here on c-span.


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