tv House Debate on North Korea Sanctions CSPAN February 12, 2016 11:29pm-12:02am EST
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>> mr. speaker? years, the foreign affairs committee that i chair as worked with greatre build support.o i want to thank our colleagues and our ranking member for his this legislation. i also thank senators corker and for their leadership in the senate and for their strong additions, particularly on human rights, and on cyberattacks by the brutal and hostile north korean regime. democrats and , republicans, house and senate, nite to put this north korea sanctions legislation on the president's desk. bill passed the house with 418 votes and this
passed the senate 96-0. mr. speaker, these overwhelming votes reflect bipartisan with our north korea policy, a policy of strategicic that isn't working. congress unites to say it's time for a new approach. north aker, last month, korea conducted its fourth known weekend, st and last it concluded a long-range missile test. tuesday, our director of , james intelligence clapper, testified that north korea restarted a plutonium reactor and expanded production -- expanded the grade ion of the weapons nuclear fuel. the threat to the united states real.ur allies is kim yrannical regime of
jung-un developed increasingly weapon, miniatureized nuclear war heads that fit on to missiles.le we cannot stand by any longer. the legislation that we consider hr-757, is the most north korea sanctions legislation to come before this body. my bill uses targeted financial economic pressure to isolate kim jung-un and the top the assets they maintain in foreign banks and rom the hard currency that sustains their rule. these assets are gained in part activities on the part of north korea, counterfeiting u.s. currency. and selling weapons around the world. and they are used to advance the nuclear program. they also pay for the luxurious
elites le of the ruling repression of ed the north korean people by their police state. 2005, the treasury department blacklisted a small in macau called banco delta asia. froze north y korea's money in the bank but also scared away other financial nstitutions from dealing with the government in north korea for fear that they, too, would be blacklisted. effective ly, this policy was shelved for ill faded negotiations. but this bill could get back to winning strategy. equally fornt the strong sanctions in this bill are its critical human rights provisions. brutal rea operates a system of gulogs that hold as
100,000 men, women, and children. but if north korean is suspected kind of dissenting opinion, even telling a joke the regime, his entire family for three generations is punished. north korea is a human rights of horrors. wo years ago, the u.n. inquisition of inquiry released the most comprehensive report on to date.ea and their finding was the kim jung-un regime and the whole family regime has for decades policies involving crimes and this is the work of the united of nations report -- crimes that shock the conscience of humanity. this amended version requires the administration to develop a
promote north korean human rights including a list of countries that use north korean slave labor. the implementation of this bill help sever a key subsidy for north korea's weapons of destruction program for only when the north korean that its realizes criminal activities are ntentble, will the prospects for peace and security in northeast asia improve. i reserve the balance of my time, mr. speaker. reserves.an gentleman from new york? -- i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. engel: i'm proud to be the lead democratic co-sponsor and i'm glad we're almost to the finish line. just over a month ago we passed this bill and sent it to the senate. the senate acted quickly to make minor adjustments, and today we'll pass this bipartisan legislation and send
it to the president's desk. this process is a great example of what we can accomplish when we work in a bipartisan way to advance american security. and as i said many times before, i'm proud of the members on both sides of the aisle on the foreign affairs committee because we have worked in a bipartisan manner. i would caution all members about leveling political charges when it comes to north korea. i'm reminded of the old adage that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. we all know north korea is a problem, but let's not kid ourselves. this problem has grown under many administrations, both parties, and congresses of both parties, so when we talk about how we got here, we need to really focus in a bipartisan manner. that's what we're trying to do, because the regime is dangerous. nuclear program
threatens regional stability and global security. it worries me to think what north korea's leaders plan to do with their nuclear arsenal or who they might be willing to sell nuclear material to. and while it's bad enough on its own, north korea's nuclear program is just a top item on a long list of dangerous and illegal activity by that regime. from cyberattacks to money laundering and counterfeiting, from human rights abuses, as chairman royce has pointed out, to the regular attacks on south korea, the kim regime runs roff shod over the norms -- roughshod over the norms. and the near universal condemnation of a global community or the deepening isolation of north korea from the rest of the world, so we're left to tighten the screws even further. that's what we're trying to do today. we need to work with south korea and japan on a tough coordinated response.
we need to take every opportunity to collaborate on his issue with the chinese who wheel considerable influence over north korea and we need to dial up our own sanctions and tighten sanctions enforcement and that's what this bill does. north korea is always looking for ways to get around our sanctions. the sanctions in this bill would focus especially on north korean elites who conduct shady transactions with shell corporations and then cover up the money trail. in pyongyang, the capital, these cronies of the kim regime pocket the cash while the rest of the north korean people suffer. i've been to north korea twice, and it's just sickening that the regime and its friends profit from these crimes while the rest of the country is literally starving. on that point, this bill includes important exceptions for the humanitarian aid that benefits the north korean people. our anger is not with the people of north korea.
in fact, the united states does a great deal to provide aid to this oppressed population, but they deserve better from their leaders. that's why we should send this bill to the president and that's why we should continue to make north korea a top foreign policy priority. the kim family has ruled north korea for many, many, many kim jong un seems to be the worst of a lot. the oppressions, the assassinations, the political strangle hold that he keeps the -- stranglehold that he keeps the whole country in and the fact that many people get caught, as chairman royce point thed out, in the gulag -- pointed out, in the gulag, families are oppressed. they are horrors. that's why we should send this bill to the president and why we should continue to make
north korea a top foreign policy priority. so i'm proud to support this bill. i'm proud to be the lead democrat on the bill, and i urge my colleagues to do the same. i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new york reserves. the gentleman from california. mr. royce: mr. speaker, before recognizing our next speaker, i also want to note that this bill effectively re-authorizes and extends the north korean human rights act of 2004, which i worked to support for more than a dozen years. and that groundbreaking law, which was re-authorized in 2008 and again in 2012 by our chairman emeritus ileana ros-lehtinen, emphasized that human rights, the free flow of information and the protection of those who have escaped are not only important to the people of north korea, they also are critical to changing north korea's strategic calculus and trying to force that rogue regime to address the needs of its own people instead of threatening its
neighbors. mr. speaker, i now yield three minutes to the gentleman from new jersey, mr. smith, chairman of the foreign affairs subcommittee on africa, global health, global human rights and international organizations. mr. smith: i thank my good friend from yielding. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new jersey is recognized for three minutes. mr. smith: the north korea dictatorship is a threat that requires significantly enhanced vigilance and response. the north korea sanctions enforcement act of 2016, authored by chairman ed royce, will ensure that the obama administration takes meaningful action to mitigate north korea's cruelty, human rights abuse and military danger. the u.s. can no longer sit on the sidelines while kim jong un proliferates nuclear and missile technology and abuses and starves the north korean people. north korea's listed by the state department as a tier
three country with respect to human trafficking. designated as one of eight countries of particular concern who are engaging in egregious violations of religious freedom. mr. chairman, i have chaired four hearings on human rights abuses in north korea. it is as chairman royce noted a house of horrors. the u.n. commission on north korea recommended the u.n. impose targeted sanctions on north korean leaders responsible for these crimes against humanity. however, china blocks effective u.n. actions. this in part is why the congress and the administration must act now. north korean human rights abusers must be identified and listed so that sanctions can be appropriately applied. north korea's long range and launch of long range rocket last week re-energied concern over the country's intercontinental ballistic missile program. it was strongly condemned by the u.n. security council which avoyed to apply further sanctions.
hopefully the security council investigation under way will include partner nations who purchase north korean missile technology. iran, to whom administration has just released billions of dollars, is one of north korea's nuclear partners. we should be very concerned about that. at some point the iranians will require fiffle material beyond what they are allowed to produce or they may purchase actual warheads from north korea. or perhaps iran will get enriched uranium, their stash, back from russia. at a foreign affairs committee hearing yesterday, mr. speaker, chairman royce has had well over 35 oversight hearings on iran, president obama's coordinator for implementation of the iran nuclear deal where i asked him, where iran's stockpile of enriched ue ran yum sent? is it in russia? what city? do we or the iaea have on site
access to where it's stored for verification purposes? remember reagan, trust and verify? on-site verification? shockingly the ambassador said he didn't in where the enriched uranium is. he did say it was on a russian ship somewhere to a port or to a final destination we don't have a clue. yesterday's revelation was yet another flaw in the egregiously flawed iran nuclear deal, and we know that there is a connection between north korea and iran. our vigilance must be stepped up. this bill is a major step. the fact that it's so bipartisan and eliot engel, again working side by side with the chairman to make sure a good bill is produced. yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california reserves. gentleman from new york. mr. engel: i reserve my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new york reserves. the gentleman from california. mr. royce: mr. speaker, i yield three minutes to the gentleman from south carolina, mr. wilson, a member of the foreign affairs committee and chairman of the armed services he subcommittee on emerging
threats and capabilities. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from south carolina is recognized for three minutes. mr. wilson: thank you, chairman ed royce, four your leadership on freemed and liberty. i strongly support the north korean sanctions enforcement act of 2016. we have seen evidence that the monarchy in north korea led by an unstable dictator has become increasingly hostile, threatening its neighbors being american allies. sadly just last week it successfully tested a long range rocket which is capable of reaching california. the recent missile test come after years of ignoring nonproliferation agreements and conducting nuclear test without facing any meaningful consequences. as america continues to fight the global war on terrorism, we should not allow an unpredictable rogue leader to continue unchecked. we must change course to a strategy of peace through strength to protect american families. in 2003, i was one of the few members of congress to visit
pyongyang north korea along with ranking member elon engel and chairman jeff miller. i saw farne the struggle and oppression of its citizens which have endured under communist totalitarian rule. the -- compared to the dynamic capital of south korea, north korea is the ultimate example of another socialist failure. the north korean sanctions enforcement act strengthens our nation's ability to sanction the agents, government, and financial institutions that enable north korea's dangerous activities. i am grateful to chairman ed royce for introducing the north korea sanctions enforcement act unanimously supported in the u.s. senate with bipartisan support. which puts pressure on the regime by restricting them from selling weapons of mass destruction. importing and exporting conventional weapons, and engaging in further cyberattacks. it is also directing the state department hold the administration accountable by creating a strategy to improve enforcement of existing sanctions. this legislation is an
important first step to achieving peace through strength in the region. i look forward with my colleagues on the foreign affairs committee and armed services committee to promote positive change and stability in northeast asia for all koreans to have a bright future. i yield the bag of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from california. mr. royce: i yield two minutes to the gentleman from texas, judge ted poe, chairman of the foreign affairs subcommittee on terrorism nonproliferation and trade. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas is recognized for two minutes. mr. poe: i thank the chairman. i want to also reiterate the bipartisanship on which this legislation has been brought to the floor, the work of the chairman, and the ranking member who are experts in foreign affairs and especially countries like north korea. when i had a chance last year to visit with the pacific command, and i talked to the four-star admiral in pacific command, and i asked him this
question. of the five entities that are threats to the united states, russia, china, iran, isis, and north korea, which of those concerns you the most? and he quickly said, north korea. because they are an unstable regime. and this legislation will help, hopefully, to have that unstable dictator that murders his own people, that is trigger happy, that is developing all types of weapons and puts them on the open market to sell them to other nations that want to cause mischief in the world. hopefully stop this conduct of north korea. yes, north korea has nuclear weapons. they are developing missiles to deliver those nuclear weapons. about a year or year and a half ago the dictator of north korea said he wanted that first intercontinental ballistic
missile to go to austin, texas. i take that a little personal, mr. speaker. i don't know why he picked austin. anyway, and their delivery capability, they are working on that. and they have no intention of stopping. so, the international community must tell the dictator of north korea you can't do this. you can't be a menace to not only your own people in south korea and the entire region but the world. so, this piece of legislation is an important step in stopping the mischief making, trigger happy dictator of north korea. i yield back the balance of my tifmente that's just the way it is. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from california. mr. royce: i reserve the right to close. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california reserves. gentleman from new york. mr. engel: we have no other speakers, so i guess it's time to close. is that what we are going to
do? ok. let me in closing yield myself as much time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. engel: let me first start by joe wilson who was on the trip with me as he mentioned to north korea. we drove in from the airport on a bus and joe was sitting at the front of it and we saw all these hostile billboards. and we couldn't of course read it, it was in korean, but we could look at the pictures. one of the pictures had an american soldier on the ground with a north korean soldier with a bacon net -- bayonet right through the american soldier's head. the reason why we knew it was an american soldier because it said u.s.a. on the soldier's uniform. and wilson sat in the front and very carefully maneuvered his camera and snapped a picture. we have that picture.
and that was something that if the north koreans had known we were doing they probably would he have confiscated the camera. they didn't. i just wanted to mention that because there were, i believe, six of us on that trip. and it was a bipartisan trip. it was an eye opener. i went back a few years later. i remember the gentleman from south carolina sitting there and very skillfully maneuvering that camera. that's a good picture. we should probably blow up and let our colleagues see it so they understand the regime that we are dealing with. this was not dim jungune -- kim jungune this was his father. so it seems to be getting progressively worse. the father was known as the dear leader. the grandfather, who was the person who was most responsible for the revolution, was also
heralded. wherever we went in north korea there were pictures of the two of them on the walls, whether it was in schools, whether it was in hotel. it's a very eerie feeling. it brings you back to those of us when we were kids read this book "1984." which was in the future now is in the past. those people who read that book to me that sort of describes the korean regime. it's a scary thing. the work we are doing here today is so important. it's so important to send a message. it's so important to let the world know that we haven't forgotten this. that this remains a priority. the u.s. congress and bipartisan priority in the u.s. congress. so the kim regime must understand if it continues to defight global consensus and ignore its obligations under international law, there will be consequences. the elites in north korea must
be shown if they try to skirt sanctions, we'll find new ways to go after them. anyone who wants to do business with north korea must be warned we will crack down on those who help sustain this brutal regime. the only way forward for north korea is for its leaders to give us their illegal and dangerous pursuits and come back to the negotiating table. so i'm proud congress is sending this bill to the president. and i hope we will ramp up engagement with our partners and allies and make it clear that north korea's present course can only lead to deeper isolation for the country's leaders and sadly continued suffering for the country's people. when we went to north korea i think the most stark difference that i have seen in all the years i have been in congress was when we went to north korea to the capital, pyongyang and then travel to the capital of south korea, seoul, where congressman wilson's wife and other spouses were waiting
there. seoul is a city that is vibrant much like new york or chicago or any of the big cities in our country. where the people are well dressed, well-fed, and shops are opened. it looks like a real western-style city. of course it's in asia, but it reminds one of tokyo or cities like that. you go to north korea and it's just like going back into 1950's, east germany. that's just the feeling that you get. you see hotels and buildings that were constructed but were constructed poorly and couldn't be occupied. when we came back about 18 months later, it was still just the way it was 18 months before. you hardly see a car. traffic lights don't work. it's just bizarre. i think that's the word. and the poor north korean
people are the ones who are really suffering. but the contrast between pyongyang the capital of north korea and seoul, the capital of south korea, was just unbelievable. it was like night and day. it's on the same peninsula. it's the same people, korean people, yet it's like night and day. and the picture that i think they say pictures are worth a thousand words, there is a picture of the korean peninsula at night and if you take a look, it was taken by satellite, and if you take a look, you see the south korea is vibrant, there are all kinds of lights, it's lit up. and north korean is absolutely black. absolutely dark. no lights. no energy. no power. what a contrast. two koreas, same people. one is a bastion of democracy in new york and the chairman and i have visited south korea, and one a brutal, brutal dictatorship. i hope that this bill
overwhelmingly passes. i hope that we have strong support from both sides of the aisle, and we want to let the people of north korea know that we are with them not with the brutal regime and that's why we are doing this legislation today. so i thank chairman royce for it. i urge everyone to vote yes. and i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new york yields back. the gentleman from california. mr. royce: mr. speaker, i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. royce: mr. speaker, i would like to again thank ranking member elliott engel for his -- eliot engel for his work on this issue. he's my co-author on this bill, and i would like to concur in his thoughts about the shocking nature of this totalitarian regime, not just in terms of the way it has treated its people but also its hostility towards south korea and to the united states and to the west.
and to just share the thought, as he's expressed, this level of struggle that the people themselves in north korea live in under this totalitarian state. when i was in north korea, i had an opportunity to see something that struck me just malnutrition. and they say that n.g.o. community tells us close to 50% of those children are malnourished. what i saw in terms of the malnourishment -- and they say -- the n.g.o. community says malnourished to the point it affects their ability to learn. the malnourishment can be seen. the average height of the person in north korea is four inches shorter than in south korea. and that is a really stark thing to see as you're in north
korea. but the other observation that mr. engel made was the overt hostility shown to the united states and, of course, to south korea and to the rest of the world. corvette. seeing the a south korean ship in which 46 south koreans lost their lives, over 50 were injured. they -- it was split in half by a torpedo from a north korean submarine and they actually lifted the two halves out of the water. and inspecting that and looking at the letters that some of the -- the last letters that some of those young south korean sailors had sent home before they perished, it's just a reminder, it is a reminder of how brutal that regime can be on its