tv Republican Presidential Candidates Debate CSPAN February 14, 2016 4:00pm-5:47pm EST
it will be critical, and the delegate count continues. we get a better sense of whose message is resonating and who is on the path to the nomination. announcer: the six remaining republican residents of candidates were in greenville, south carolina saturday evening for a debate seen alive on cbs. the primary is held this coming saturday. this is courtesy of cbs, an hour and 40 minutes. ♪ we don't win anymore, we don't make good deals anymore. >> my philosophy on islamic radical terrorism is simple, we win, they lose. >> the world is safer when we are the strongest military in the world. >> i believe we have an obligation to help people that live in the shadows. >> we can put leadership, we are innovative.
>> we must restore our place as the leader of the free world. >> we are going to make america great again. ♪ >> cbs news brings you the republican residential debate. moderator: good evening, i am john dickerson. president, the first we are going to hear from the first six men that have to be the next nominee. they are here for their ninth debate. the first in the south primary is a week from today. george washington wrote that the truth will ultimately prevail when there is pain taken to bring it to life. we go to shut it -- shed light on this as the denton and make
their decisions. we start us on stage. [applause] dickerson: with us tonight, our retired neurosurgeon ben carson of florida. [applause] senator marco rubio of florida. [applause] businessman donald trump of new york. [applause] senator ted cruz of texas. [applause] former governor jeb bush of florida. [applause]
and governor john kasich of ohio. [applause] now, as most of you have heard by now, supreme court justice antonin scalia died today at the age of 79. he was the longest-serving member of the court appointed by president reagan in 1986. justice scalia was the court leading conservative, and even those you disagree with his opinions regarded him as a brilliant legal scholar. please join us and the candidates on our state in a moment of silence for justice antonin scalia. thank you. we'll talk with the candidates about justice scalia and the road ahead when the debate begins in a moment. ♪ dickerson: before we get started, candidate, here are the rules. you have one minute to answer a
question and 30 seconds more if we ask a follow-up. if you are attacked by another candidate you get 30 seconds to respond. here is how we keep time. after we ask a question you would get a green light. the yellow light means you have 30 seconds left to finish your answer. my time is up, the right turns red. that means please stop talking. if you keep talking you will hear this. [bell] you don't want to hear that. during the is major garrett and kimberly suffolk from the wall street journal. throughcan participate your partnership with twitter. treat us your comments using the #gop debate. let's begin. the death of justice scalia, dr. trott -- mr. trump, i want to start with you.
if you were president and had a chance with 11 months to go in would be an abdication to conservatives in particular not to name a conservative justice for the rest of your term? i weretrump: if president now, i would certainly want to try and nominate a justice. i'm sure frankly, i am absolutely sure president obama will try and do it. i think the senate will be able, mitch and the entire group will be stepping about it. -- do something about it. this is a tremendous blow to conservativism, a tremendous blow to our country. dickerson: to be clear, you are ok with the president nominating somebody? donald trump: i think he is going to do it whether i am ok with it or not. .t is up to mitch mcconnell it is called delay, delay, delay. [applause] dickerson: governor kasich, i
want to get your thoughts on this. justice scalia with a real believer in the strict word of the constitution. harry reid says if we do not fill the vacancy it would be a shameful neglect of one of the senate house additional abilities. -- constitutional responsibilities. amazing, notit is only two minutes after the judge , nine children here and their father did not wake up, his wife is sad. i just wish we had not run so fast into politics. here's my concern about this. the country is so divided right now, and now we are going to see another partisan fight taking place. i really wish the president would think about not nominating somebody. if he were to nominate, let's have them think somebody that is going to have unanimous approval instead of partisanship.
this can happen without a lot of recrimination. i would like the president for first,t the country go we are going to have an election soon. people will understand what is at stake in the election. i believe the president should not move forward. i think we ought to let the next president of the united states decide who is going to run the supreme court with a vote of the people. [applause] , you like dr. carson others put out a statement after the death was announced, and you said the president should delay. you of written a book on the constitution recently. what does the constitution say about whose duty it is to act in this kind of situation? ben carson: the consultation does not address that particular situation, but the fact of the matter is the supreme court is obviously a very important part
of our governmental system. in our constitution was put in place, the average age of death was under 50. therefore, the whole concept of lifetime appointments for supreme court judges in federal court judges was not considered to be a big deal. obviously, that has changed, it is something that needs to be looked at pretty carefully at some point. we need to start thinking about the divisiveness that is going on in our country. i look at the remarks people made after finding out justice scalia had died, and they were truly nasty. we have managed to get to that position, it is a shame. we should be thinking about how we can create healing in this. right now we are not going to get healing with president obama. it is very clear. [bell] i totally agree that we should not allow a judge to be
appointed during his time. [applause] youerson: senator rubio, are a lawyer. can you address the issue of the constitution whether it tells who has the power to appoint supreme court justices? last year, they talked about removing the filibuster for the senate for supreme court nominations. you seemed open to that. what is your feeling on that? marco rubio: the me first talk about justice scalia, our hearts go out to him. you talk about someone who defended consistently the original meaning of the constitution, who understood it was not to be interpreted based on the fad of the moment, but according to its original meaning. he understood that better than anyone in the history of the republic. case, independent counsel
his dissent is a brilliant piece of work. number two, i do not believe the president to appoint someone. it has been over 80 years since a lame-duck president has appointed a supreme court justice. it reminds us how important this election is. someone on this stage will get to choose the balance of the supreme court, and it will begin by feeling this vacancy now. we need to understand the constitution is not a living and breathing document but interpreted as originally meant. [applause] dickerson: very quickly, on this specific question you were once in favor of dropping the threshold. marco rubio: no. dickerson: you were never in favor? marco rubio: appellate judges can now be given by supreme majority, but not supreme court. i do want that to change.
if we were not in charge of the senate, harry and barack obama would ram down our throats liberal justice like the ones he has appointed already. dickerson: all right. republicantime, presidents have pointed -- justices who have not been real conservatives. bernie sanders has his litmus test or this. do you have one? jeb bush: not a specific issues. if i am president, i will nominate people that have a proven record in the judiciary. have appointed people thinking you can get it through the senate because they did not have a record. the problem is sometimes we are surprised. the simple fact is the next president needs to appoint someone with a proven conservative record similar to justice scalia, a lover of liberty.
someone with that philosophy that did not try to rule from the bench, and then fight and fight for the nomination to make sure it passes. of course the president has every right to nominate supreme court justices. i am article to guy. guy.rticle ii there should be a consensus orientation on that nomination. there is no doubt in my mind barack obama will not have a consensus pick when he submits that person to the senate. [applause] cruz, the senator constitution says the president with consents from the senate. he does have constitutional power. you don't think he should. are president, does it begin in election year, september, november? would you abide by that date? ted cruz: we have 80 years of
presidents not confirming supreme court justices in an election year. in -- wereor the ma there any nominated in an election year? fortis,: lbj nominated but he was defeated. dickerson: the kennedy confirmed him in 19 -- ted cruz: appointing -- in this case it is both. dickerson: i just want to get the facts straight for the audience. [booing] ted cruz: justice scalia was a legal giant. he was somebody i knew for 20 years. he was a brilliant man, faithful to the constitution. he changed the arc of american legal history. his passing tonight, our prayers are with his family and his wife who he adored, his nine children
and 36 grandkids. it undermines the stakes of this election. away from alection supreme court that will strike down every case on abortion. ofy could reports one justice scalia's seminal decisions on upholding the second amendment. they could undermine the religious liberty of millions of americans. the stakes for this year for the senate, the senate needs to stand strong and say we are not going to give up the u.s. supreme court for a generation by allowing barack obama to make one more liberal appointee, and then for the state of south carolina, one of the most important judgment for the people of south carolina to make is who on this date -- [bell] has the character and strength of resolve to nominate and
confirm principal constitutionalists to the court. that is what i will do. [applause] dickerson: thank you, senator cruz. let's move on to national security. i want to read a quote from secretary robert gates, who served for -- under eight presidents. this is what he said about republican candidates. part of the concern i have about the campaign is the solutions he offered are so at odds with how the world really works. mr. trump, i will start with you. he said you would get up to speed very quickly, you would know more than any of the experts. you have been elected president, it is your first day in the situation room. what do you after national security experts about the world -- ask your national security experts about the world?
when do we want to do it and how hard we want to hit. we also need to learn who are allies are. we are spending billions of dollars supporting people we have no idea who they are in syria. do we want to state that route or go and make something with russia? --ate to say iran, but maybe it was one of the worst deals i ever seen negotiated. a very important -- [applause] not only a disgrace but an embarrassment. it very important, who are fighting for, what are we doing? we have to rebuild the country, but do not go into iraq, do not high-tech iraq. -- attack iraq. , but iot a politician
said it and i said it loud and clear. and that is what happened. [bell] i also set a check the oil, update the wealth away and keep the oil. they just started listening a few months ago. [applause] dickerson: senator rubio, 30 seconds on this, are those the questions you would ask? you what to get on top of what we are doing in the pacific region. originally in the middle east with a combination of the sunni-shiite conflict that iran is trying to establish, and the growing threat of crisis. the third is reinvigorating nato and the europe theater. vladimir putin is threatening the territory of multiple countries, controlled 20% of georgia and a significant percentage of ukraine. dickerson: let me ask you a
follow-up. [applause] extremists are operating in 40 countries, some 80 are in different degrees of stability. that is the crisis overseas. barack obama walked into an economic collapse. he faced international health crises from ebola to zika. there is a lot of opportunity for crisis. what would you point to in your past to show you have been in a crisis and you have been tested when that comes when you are a president? marco rubio: one of the hardest decisions you will ever make in congress is when you are asked to use force. your putting your name behind military action. americans lose their lives in uniform. so barack obama said he would not take military action against assad unless authorized.
it was hard. you look at the pictures. i thought the same pictures. -- saw the same pictures. little children gas and poisons by their own leaders. , and weg had to happen needed to seek retribution. and i looked at his plan. barack obama's plan was unbelievably small, and i concluded that would not only help, it would make it worse. to thegoing to stand up united states, survivor strike, and strengthen us. it was difficult, and we only had a few days to look at it. i voted against it. he was the right decision. dickerson: dr. carson -- [applause] you said you had more phone calls than anybody up on this stage.
when those 2:00 a.m. phone calls the, you operated on foundation of all the medical work you have done. if you are presidents, you would not have the political foundation that how did those in space. -- helen to those instincts when that comes. is that a liability? ben carson: let me go back to your first question. who nominates supreme court nominees. there was left-wing media that track to make a hay on that. thank you for including me in the debate. two questions already, this is great. [applause] as far those 2:00 a.m. phone calls are concerned, judgment is what is required. the kinds of things you come up with are sometimes very difficult and very unique. one of the things i was known
for is doing things that have not been done before. so no amount of experience really prepares you to do something that has never been done before. but as for judgment comes in. of the situation we are in right now. we have never been here before with the kinds of threats that pose a real danger to our nation , and it comes in very handy in those situations. dickerson: governor kasich -- [applause] russia is being credited with bombing u.s. rebels on behalf of assad. moved intolso crimea, eastern ukraine. you said you wanted to punch them in the nose. what do you mean? john kasich: we have to make it clear to russia what we expect. we need to make clear what we expect. we will arm the folks in ukraine were fighting for their freedom. they deserve it. no if's, and, or but.
-- either in the nato countries or similar in sweden, it would be an attack on us. we have an opportunity as americans to put something great together again. jordananians,dis, -- we look at europe and france, belgium, britain. everybody is being threatened by radical islam. we have an opportunity to lead. the back of the matter is the world is desperate for leadership. sometimes they may make a remark that we don't like, but frankly the world needs us. we have an opportunity to assemble a coalition of civilized people, those who respect civilization, the rights of women, the right to protest, we will reassert our leadership across the globe and make sure this century will be the best we've ever seen. [applause] , yourson: governor bush
said defeating isis requires defeating assad. you also put us in conflict with russia, a country that supports assad. so you think he is there to stay? that is the problem. the lack of leadership by barack obama, john kerry, hillary clinton, thinking this works. it is complete unmitigated disaster. to have russia influence in syria makes things harder. but he to destroy isis and dispose of assad to create a stable syria so that is not a breeding ground for a islamic jihadism. m -- russia is attacking our team, what we have been training and supporting. it is absolutely ludicrous to suggest russia could be a positive partner in this. they are on the run.
every time we step back, they are on the run. the question you asked, what you atuld do, 13 things -- wh three things, the sequester should be reversed. i would create a policy of containment as it relates to iran's ambitions to make clear that we are not going to allow for iran to do what it is doing, which is look towards nuclear weapons. though the be the foremost things we need to do. [bell] [applause] trump, you said you could get along with vladimir putin. you did at one point. donald trump: i like it so far. jeb is so wrong. he is absolutely -- [booing] that is jeb's special interest lobbyists talking. [booing]
jeb is so wrong. you've got to fight isis first. have russia, iran, and syria. you have to knock out isis. these are animals. knock them off. you decide what to do after. you can't fight two wars at one time. if you listen to him and some of the folks that i've been listening to, we have been in the middle east for 15 years and we have not won anything. we have spent $5 trillion with thinking like that. [applause] [bell] is you graham, something. we spent -- booing] i only tell the truth, lobbyists. we need to rebuild our country, rebuild our infrastructure. listen to that, you will be
there for another 50 years. fact --: the very basic jeb bush: the very basic fact is vladimir putin will not be an ally of the noted date. -- united states. they are attacking the troops we are supporting. we need to create a coalition, led coalition to destroy isis. you can't do that with a thought in power. donald trump: we support troops we don't even know who they are. [applause] we have no idea who they are. dickerson: we are going to leave that they are. this is the guy that makes hillary clinton is a great negotiator in iran. this is a man who insult his way through the nomination. dickerson: gentlemen, let's limit their i can ask a question to senator cruz, who is also running for president.
[applause] about the first gulf war as being a model for your focus and determined efforts to go after isis. there were 700, and you do not have a ground components your plan. why? ted cruz: we to focus on the objective. the three questions in this and we should -- situation room, i think it is a problem if we elect a commander in chief that does not have the background to face threats coming in on day one. if you look at the threat, one of the threat, national security , nuclear iran. why i would like to rip to shred the iranian nuclear deal. anyone that thinks you can khomeini does not understand his nature. when it comes to isis, we have the problem of barack obama and hillary clinton's foreign policy
. and sadly, too many establishment republicans in washington. they focus on nation building, toppling governments to promote democracy and it ends up undermining our national security. with isis, we need a commander in chief for war. they have declared war. [bell] we need overwhelming airpower, and we need to arm the kurds, and of renters are necessary we should employ them. it should not be politicians. it should be military expert judgment ring out the objectives set out by the commander in chief. [applause] quickly, 32ndy follow-up, -- 30 second follow-up, you mentioned ground ever. crews can only work within their territory.
if you don't, you have an ethnic war with arabs. he can't do as much as you seem to putting on their backs. ted cruz: they are winning victories right now. isis is using american military equipment they have seized in iraq. obama refuses to help the peshmerga. we need to embed special forces to direct the overwhelming airpower if it is required to use ground troops to defeat isis, we should use them. we ought to start with using our incredible airpower advantage. the first persian gulf war we launched 1100 year attacks a day. today it is 15 and 30. [bell] we are not using our tools because the commander in chief is not focused on defeating the amity -- enemy. dickerson: mr. drum. [applause] monday, george w. bush will campaign for his brother.
you have often said the iraq war and your opposition was assigned of your good judgment. you said you were surprised democratic leader nestle -- nancy policy did not try to impeach him. you said it would have been a wonderful thing. when asked what you meant, you said for the war. he lied, got us into a war with lies. do you still believe president bush should be impeached? as a businessman, i get along with everybody. i have business all over the world. i know so many of the people in the audience. i have my wife and my son. so, let me just telli know so me audience. self funder. i get along with everybody, which is my obligation to myself . obviously the war in iraq was a
big, fat mistake. you can take it any way that you like, and it took jeb bush -- if you remember when he announced, it took him five days -- he went back. it was a mistake, it wasn't a mistake, it took him five days before his people told him what to say and he ultimately said it was a mistake. $2 trillion, thousands of lives, we don't even have it. iran has already taken over iraq with the world's second-largest oil reserves. george bush made a mistake. we can all make mistakes, but that one was a beauty. we should never have been in iraq. we have destabilized the middle east. [bell] you think he should be impeached? [bell] they said that there were no --pons of mass destruction they said there were weapons of mass destruction and they knew
that there were none. do i get to do five or six times question mark here is the deal. i am sick and tired of barack obama blaming my brother for all of the problems he has had. i could care less about the insults donald trump gives to me. it's bloodsport for him. he enjoys it, and i'm glad he is happy about it. i am sick and tired of him going after my family. my dad is the greatest man alive in my mind. while donald trump was building a reality tv show, my brother was building a security apparatus to keep us safe, and i am proud of what he did. and he has the gall -- mr. trump: the world trade center came down on your brother's watch. [booing] governor bush: you had the gall
to go after my mother. my mom is the strongest woman i know. ors is not about his family my family. this is about the south carolina families who need someone who is a commander-in-chief who can lead. dickerson: governor kasich, please weigh in. governor kasich: i've got to tell you, this is just crazy, huh? this is just nuts. geez, oh, man. i'm sorry, john. dickerson: why is it not? governor kasich: listen, being in iraq -- colin powell, one of generalsdistinguished in modern times told us to work weapons of mass destruction, but the fact is we got ourselves in the middle of a civil war. the sunni, the shia, and the kurds have never gotten along. wereorders of that country drawn after world war i by westerners who did not
understand what was happening. the tragedy is we are still them embroiled. if there were not weapons of mass destruction, we should never have gone. i do not believe the united intes should involve itself civil wars. i served on the defense committee for 18 years and i was some of theal with most serious security problems we face. we should not be the policeman of the world, but when we go, we mean business, we will do our job, we will tell our soldiers, take care of your job and come home once you have accomplished the goal. that is what we need to do. dickerson: 30 seconds. senator rubio: on behalf of of me and my family i thank god all the time it was george bush in the white house during 9/11 and not al gore.
i think you can look back in hindsight and sick couple safe., but he kept us in no matter what you want to say about weapons of mass saddamtion, sodo hussein was in violation of international sanctions. he kept us safe -- mr. trump: how did he keep us safe when the world trade center came down? the world -- [booing] i lost hundreds of friends. the world trade center came down. he kept us safe? that is not safe. that is not safe. that is not safe. the world -- senator rubio: the world trade center came down because bill clinton did not kill osama bin laden when he had the chance to kill him. mr. trump: george bush had the chance also and he did not listen to the advice of his cia. all right, dr. carson
can we have a clearing -- governor bush: i am not going to invite donald trump to the rally . i am rescinding the invitation. dickerson: a moment of pause here -- you have said, dr. carson, referring to yourself, that people bought into the idea that "a nice person cannot be tough on terrorism." for looseningd the rules of engagement for the military that could lead to more civilian casualties. if ny those casualties would be acceptable in the fight against isis? let me address the iraqis. i was not particularly in favor of this going to war in iraq, primarily because i have studied the middle east, recognizing those are nations ruled by dictators and has been for thousands of years. ofn you go in and remove one
those dictators, unless you have an appropriate plan for replacing them, you are going to have chaos. fortunately, we were able to stabilize the situation and it was the current administration that turned tail and ran and destabilized the situation. terms ofid that, in the rules of engagement, i was talking about -- obama has said we should not bomb tankers coming out of refineries because there might be people in their army environment might be heard. that is just asinine thinking. -- fact of the matter is obviously you are not going to accomplish all of your goals [bell] without some collateral damage. you have to assess what is acceptable and what is not. you, dr.: thank carson. we have to take a commercial break. debate be back with the from greenville, south carolina.
mr. trump: it is a disgrace. senator rubio: the constitution is not a living and breathing document. it is to be interpreted as originally meant. we need tosh: dispose of isis and a side. assad. dickerson: we are back with the presidential debate. the topic is funding. we will turn to major garrett and kim of cbs news. trump -- you have made a lot of promises and you are the only candidate said he would not touch entitlements. it is estimated that your ideas would cost an additional 12 trillion dollars to $15 trillion
and we would have to have economic growth anywhere from 7.7% to 9% annually to pay for it. when you said the only candidate, when you listen to the democrats, they want to do many things to social security. not of these folks are getting elected, ok, whether they can do it or not. i am going to use a social security. i'm going to bring jobs back from china and mexico and japan and every country throughout the world. vietnam, they are the new one. they are taking our base. we have had this discussion. we're going to make our economy strong again. i am lowering taxes. twoave $2.2 trillion off -- point $5 trillion offshore.
i think we have more. the government has no idea as they have proven very well. you take a look. china bought the chicago stock exchange. china, a chinese company. a carrier is moving to mexico, air-conditioning company. nabisco and ford -- they are all moving out. we have an economy that last quarter -- [bell] gdp, did not grow, it was flat. we are dying. this country is dying and our workers are losing their jobs. on the only one who can take social security, believe me. but how would you actually do that? can i ask you, because -- tremendousyou have waste, fraud, and abuse. that we are taking care of. that we are taking care of. righte social security now, thousands and thousands of people who are over 106 years
old. you know they do not exist. they don't exist. there is tremendous waste, fraud, and abuse and we are going to get it. but we are not going to hurt the people who have been paying into social security their whole lives and all of a sudden they're supposed to get less. we are getting our jobs back and we're going to make our economy great again. want toenator cruz, we talk about economic growth and wage growth. you have proposed a consumption tax. you call it a flat tax. some economists say it is akin to a value added tax. how does that work and how would you address the long-standing conservative concern that something approaching a value added tax it would be used to the common escalator of taxation, not of growth? thetor cruz: let me say at outset, everyone here understands, everyone at home understands the middle classes been left behind the last
several years of the obama economy. we've got to get people moving from part-time work two full time work. we all agree on that. it will not be solved with magic pixie dust. it will not be solved by declaring into the air "let there be jobs." we have to understand the principles that made america great in the first place. where do we get economic growth if you look at cause and effect question mark every time we lessen the burden of washington on small business owners and job creators, we see an incredible economic effect. my tax plan, typical family of four, first $36,000, you pay nothing in taxes. no income taxes, no payroll taxes, no nothing. about that, everyone pays the same simple flat tempers and rate. it is flat and fair and you can s on aut your taxe postcard and we abolish the irs.
and if you want to see the postcard, i've got it on my website. major: conservatives have flirted with this idea for a long time, but in europe where this exists, it has become an escalator of taxation and that have longservatives resisted it. what would you do to make sure that does not happen? major, thez: business flat tax is not a vat. a vat in europe is a sales tax. it is not a sales tax. fairly andmposed evenly across all businesses and one of the things that is critical, we are doing that in conjunction with abolishing the obamacare taxes, abolishing the payroll taxes, the biggest taxes they buy most working americans, and abolishing the death tax, which is cruel and unfair. and you asked about economic growth. [bell] senator cruz: a simple flat tax
newd produce 4.9 million jobs, would lift everyone's incomes by double digits. that is have you turned the country around, not just hoping and praying for it, but implementing policies -- kimberly: ok, i have a question tax rate of anyone on the stage. you do that so you will have more revenue to pay for a tripling of the child tax credit. normally it is liberals who like to use the tax code to enforce social policy. why should conservatives want that approach? senator rubio: this is their money. this is the money of parents. you don't r&d tax credit unless you are working. here is what i don't understand. it's a business take their money and invest in a use of
equipment, they get to write it off their taxes. but if a parent invest money in their children, they do not? this does not make sense. family formation is the most important -- [cheering] senator rubio: my tax plan does create an additional child tax credit so parents who are working get to keep more of their own money to invest in their children to go to school, to go to a private school, to buy a new backpack. if you are a parent and struggling, you know $50 a month newhe difference between shoes and not getting new shoes. i will have a tax plan that is profamily because the family is the most important institution in society. you cannot have a strong country without strong families. kasich?: governor governor kasich, in 2013, you
pushed through a medicaid reform in your state over the objections of many republicans in your state. total enrollment in overall cost in that program have gone well beyond what anyone expected, including yourself. how can you argue this overall growth fits in with conservative ambitions to significantly cut back on the size of federal welfare programs? governor kasich: those numbers are incorrect. our medicaid programs are coming in below cost estimates and in the second year it grew at 2.5%. kimberly, let me tell you, when we expand medicaid and treat the mentally ill and they do not live under a bridge or in a , when we take the drug addicted and treat them in the prisons, we stopped the revolving door of people in and out of prisons and we save $22,500 a year. they get their lives back and the working poor get health care
and a third of the people getting that health care are suffering very serious illnesses, particularly cancer. an $8 billionrom hole to a $2 billion surplus, we have cut taxes more than any other governor in america, by $5 billion, we have grown the number of jobs by 400,000 private sector jobs since i have been governor, our credit is strong, our pensions are strong, and friendly, we leave no one behind. economic growth is not an end unto itself. we want everyone to rise and we will make them personally responsible for the help they get and that is the program we are driving in ohio, employee, people ought to look at ohio. governor bush, either question, but you would like to jump in -- governor bush: i admire that governor kasich is supporting spending more money on drug treatment and mental health, i a high priority
across the country. and expanding obamacare is what he is talking about. we should be fighting obamacare, replacingobamacare, it with something totally different. when i was a private citizen, with thiss confronted choice. the governor was supportive of what john did. i was asked to go make the case against these -- [bell] and i did.sh: it was not expanded in south carolina -- major: jump in. governor kasich: first of all, when jeb was governor, his medicaid program grew twice as fast as mine. it's just a fact. with obamacare, i not only suited the administration -- sued the administration, but i did not expand medicaid.
the fact of the matter is, we their to get people on feet and what's they are on their feet, we are giving them the training and the effort that they need to get work and pull out of that situation. [bell] caroliniansh: south need to know this because the cato institute that grades governors on spending rank him right at the bottom -- governor haley ranked at the top. let me finish this. governor kasich: hold on, major. governor bush: south carolinians want to elect the most conservative governor our candidate who can win. governor kasich: i've got to correct the record. the fact of the matter is, we went from an $8 billion hole to a $2 billion surplus, our credit is rock solid, and i don't know -- the people of this country and the state went to see everybody
rise and they want to see unity and i do not want to get into all of this fighting tonight. the negative campaigning, i'm going to stay positive about what i want to do. from this perspective of economic growth, you have proposed a tax on hedge fund managers. the americans for tax reform has said no republican should be for higher taxes on capital gains and many conservatives wonder if this proposal would undermine not only that philosophy but under current -- undercut your projection of economic growth under your presidency? governor bush: of course not. it will not have an impact on hedge fund managers -- not just hedge fund people, but people in the business of investing other people's money, getting capital capital gains treatment is not appropriately. they are grateful to make a lot of money, i'm sure. we lower the rate.
it's not the end of the world that private equity people in hedge fund folks are getting treatment for the income they earn. that's not problem at all. what we need to do is to reform the tax code, to simplify the rates to shift power from washington, d.c. that is what i did as governor of the state of florida. that stimulated seven out of eight years, florida led the nation in jobs growth. major: dr. carson, before we go to break, could you give us is your sense of this conversation about medicaid or economic growth rate taxation? dr. carson: first of all, let me mention on the tax issue, read about it.go my tax plan has been praised by "forbes," and it is based on real fairness for everybody. povertys at the 150%
level, but even people blow that have to pay something, because everybody has you have skin in the game. talk about what other people have to pay and have no skin in the game. it deals with the corporate tax rate. same.ody pays exactly the as far as medicare and medicaid, my main goal is to get rid of obamacare and put the care back in the hands of -- >> i'm sorry, dr. carson we have to go to commercial. the free market wants what it wants. we will be back to the republican presidential debate in greenville, south carolina. welcome back. we will begin the second half of the debate with one of the hottest issues in the campaign -- immigration. i have one question for mr. trump. mr. trump, in the republican national committee's spanish-language response to the union, theye
said, it is essential we find a legislative solution, talking about immigration, to find a permanent and humane solution to those who live in the shadows. what does that mean to you? mr. trump: i want everybody taking care of, but we have to take care of our people in this country. we are not taking care of our people. we have no border. we have no control. people are flooding across. we can have it. we need a border. i am not opposing -- i will build a wall. i will build a wall. remember this. the wall will be paid for by mexico. we are not being treated right. we are not being treated properly. if we don't have borders, if we do have strengths, we do have a country. people are floating across. we have to take care of our people, believe me. john: senator rubio. senators -- major:
rubio, the lines you would draw as president, what is amnesty? senator rubio: amnesty is freedom from consequence and i have never supported that. i think thereafter because be consequences for violating our immigration laws. until, not make progress first, it illegal immigration is brought under control. you go back to 1986 when they legalize three money people and borderd to secure the and people lost trust in the federal government. it is clear the only way to make progress is not just to pass a law, but proved to people it is working. they want to see the wall built. they want to see the additional border agents. they want to ce e-verify. they want a tracking system. stayinghe people illegally are entering legally and overstaying visas. i think the american people will be very reasonable, but responsible about how you handle someone who has been here a long time, who pays a fine and all
they want is a work permit, but you can't do any of that until you prove to people it immigration is under control once and for all. [bell] senator cruz -- you have promised to deport illegal aliens. you promise to reverse president that's executive action gives temporary amnesty to illegal brought here by their parents his children. -- as children. you would have the names and addresses of 800,000 who have registered under that action. you have said we should not go door-to-door looking for illegals, but in this case you would have a list. would you use it? senator cruz: your question highlights a sharp difference on immigration in this stage. and the republican primary, everyone talks tough on immigration. everyone is against illegal immigration. but as voters, we have been
burned over and over again by people who give a great campaign speech and you not walk the walk. there are sharp differences on amnesty. if you look of the folks on this stage, when harry reid and chuck and establishment republicans were leading the fight to pass and massive jeffty plan, i stood with sessions and steve king and the american people and led the fight to defeat that amnesty plan. would you use the addresses? would you pick them up? senator cruz: that moment is what reagan would call a time for choosing. amnesty planumer -- [booing] apparentlyz: supported by the donor class, which is why washington supported it, pass to the senate and was on the verge of passing
the house. house leadership intended to take it up and pass it with the democrats overruling most of the republicans in the question for anyone is where were you in that fight? where did you stand? you are right rid there is a difference between senator rubio and me on this question -- [bell] senator rubio: we are going to have to do this again. beinghat issue was debated, ted cruz said i want immigration reform to pass, i want people to come out of the shadows and proposed an been ant that would have 500% increase on guest workers. now he is a passionate opponent of all those. he either wasn't telling the truth then or he is not telling the truth now. but to argue he is a purist on immigration -- senator cruz: i get a response? kimberly: your response, senator cruz? senator cruz: the lines are
very, very clear. marco supports citizenship for 12 million people here illegally. i oppose citizenship. marco stood on the debate stage and senate, but marco has a long record when it comes to amnesty. he supported in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. in spanishunivision and said he would not resend president obama fraley legal executive the on his first day tooffice or it i promised resend every single he executive action, including vast one -- including that 1 -- senator rubio: first of all, i do not know how he knows what i said on univision because he does not speak spanish. spanish]ruz: [speaking this is abio: disturbing pattern. for a number of weeks, ted cruz
has just been telling lies. he lied about ben carson iowa, he lies about marriage, now he makes things up. the bottom line is, this is a campaign and here is the truth. ted cruz supported legalizing people in this country illegally and only now -- senator cruz: [indiscernible] that is knowingly false. [both talking at once] look at jeff sessions, who said without ted cruz, the rubio-schumer the bill wasd have passed andted responsible. you should look to rush limbaugh and mark levin -- governor bush, bring this out to a wider philosophical place, if you would. governor bush: thank you. illegalou said that immigrants broke the law, but it's not a felony. mr. trump has, as you are well
aware, denounced that statement over and over. what does it mean to you? where you stand on immigration reform? governor bush: great question. i have to get into my inner chris christie and point out the reason why i should be president is listening to two senators talk about arcane amendments to bills but did not pass. this is the problem. we need a leader to fix this problem. i've a detailed plan to fix just that, including dealing with the visa over stairs, making sure we have a path to legal status, not citizenship, learning was, don't commit crimes, work, pay taxes. do you believe this amendment is insufficiently compassionate to this issue? governor bush: they come to this country because they have no other choice. that does not mean it is right. to ourld pick who comes country. we should controller border. coming here illegally should be
easier than coming here illegally, but the motivation -- they are not rapists, you know who said? they are not that. they are coming here to revive for their families. we should show more respect for the fact they are struggling. it does not mean we should not be controlling the border. that is exactly what we should be doing. mr. trump: when i announced i was running for president on june 16, illegal immigration was not even a subject. up, wed not bring it would not be talking about it. i do not often agree with marco and i do not often agree with case.ut i can in this the weakest person on the stage by far on illegal immigration is jeb bush. . "they come out of an act of love" is so weak it is laughable and everybody knows it. governor bush: this is the
standard operating procedure to disparage me. that's fine -- mr. trump: spend a little more money on the commercials. governor bush: you want to talk about the weakness? it is weak to disparage women. it is weak to denigrate the disabled. and it is really weak to call john mccain a loser because -- mr. trump: i never called him -- governor bush: that's outrageous. he's an american hero. ago, he saido days he would take his pants off and moon everybody and that's fine, nobody reports that. hegets up and says that and tells me, oh, my language is a little bit rough here is my language areas give me a break. -- he governor kasich said the idea of the concept of supporting -- governor bush: make sure my mother is watching the debate?
[all talking at once] leave the moon metaphors to be adjudicated later, i assure you. governor kasich, you said the concept, the idea of deporting 11 million undocumented workers in this country is not. why are you so opposed to that idea? is aor cruz has said it simple application of existing law. why do you disagree? get tor kasich: before i that, this is the ninth of 10 debates. watching this back-and-forth and these attacks, some of them are personal -- i think we are fixing to lose the election to hillary clinton if we don't stop this. ie fact is -- you know what would suggest? what are we take all of the negative ads and comments down from television and let's just talk about what we are for and sell that and the republican party will be stronger as a result?
now as for immigration -- first of all, i am for sealing the border. work, gon come in, back home. border, it closed the believe, because special interests block it. with 11 million people here. if they have not committed a tome, give them a path citizenship, make them pay a fine and back taxes. run 11not going to million people out of their homes. i will send a plan like this to the congress of the united states, and i will bet you it will pass. proposal reasonable that the people in this country will support and so will the bulk of the congress of the united states. moving subjects -- dr. carson, morgan stanley agreed to pay a fine to state and federal
authorities for contribute into the mortgage crisis. democrats say we should be jailing more executives. two questions. should financial executives be held legally responsible, and do you think finds like these aren't effective way to determine companies from future behavior like that? dr. carson: please go to my immigrationread my policy. it actually makes sense. as far as these fines are concerned, here is the big problem -- you've got all of regulators andt they are running around for people to find. o fine. we have way, way too many agencies and they do not have anything else to do. what we need to do is start trimming the regulatory agencies rather than go after the people
trying to increase the viability , economic viability of our society. i'm not sure the way to solve that problem is increasing the regulatory burden. $2 trillion -- for family $24,000 per family. the is the same level as poverty level for a family of four. you want to get rid of poverty, get rid of all of the regulations. john: senator cruz, i've a question. speaker paul ryan has made a big commitment to trying to lift the 50 million out of poverty and arthur brooks from the american enterprise institute says, if we are not warriors for the or hasy day, free enterprise been no matter. how are you a warrior for the poor? the people who
have been hurt the most in the obama economy have been young people, hispanics, african-americans, single moms. we have the lowest percentage of people working today as any year since 1977. massive regulation does not work. what we need to do is bring back booming economic growth. let small business you the heart of the economy. two thirds of all jobs come from small business. i think of these issues from the perspective of my dad. in 1957.ed cuba he had $100 in his underwear. he washed dishes making $.50 an hour. a pastor.dad is he travels the country preaching the gospel. how would this impact my dad when he was washing dishes? in place,obamacare the odds are high my dad would
have been laid off. hisot, he would have had hours forcibly reduced. the burdensift to on small businesses and we need well for perform -- welfare reform to get people back to work. [bell] mr. trump, i was with you in south carolina, it was a bit chilly and you promised the crowd that if ford or a company toe it would move a factory mexico, you would stop it by imposing a 35% tax on every automobile sold. so, where would you derive that power as president? wouldn't you need congress? and you think it would be good to threaten private industry?
mr. trump: i would build consensus with congress. i do not like the idea of using executive orders like our president. i think it is a disaster what he is doing. i would build consensus. you have to work hard. you have to cajole. you have to make deals. china -- the chinese company bought the chinese exchange -- carriers moving. if you saw the people because they have a video of the announcement -- i will tell you what. i would go right now and i would take, i am going to work awfully hard. you are going to make air-conditioners now in mexico. you're going to get all of these 1400 people laid off -- they were crying, it was a very sad situation. you are going to make air-conditioners in mexico. you are going to cross our border with no tax. consensus fromet
congress. stay where you are or build in the united states, because we are killing ourselves with trade pacts that are no good for us and no good for our workers. john: all right, thank you so much. we will be back in a moment to the republican debate. mr. trump: we are not taking care of our people. we have no border, we have no control. people are flooding across the river we can't have it. : ted cruz lies. he lied about ben carson in iowa. now he makes things up. governor bush: we should be fighting obamacare, repealing obamacare, replacing it with something totally different. john: we are back from greenville, south carolina with the candidates for the republican presidential nomination.
presidents have to be firm, but also flexible. flexible and change your opinion on a number of things from abortion to hillary clinton. at the same time you are criticizing senator cruz for what he says is a change on immigration -- he disputes this, of course. white when you change your you changewhy when your opinion it makes you like reagan and when he does it, it is a character flaw? you do haveohn, flexibility. you have a plan, it's a beautiful plan, you can't lose, the enemy makes a change, you have to change. ronald reagan, we are talking about the great example. he was a somewhat liberal democrat who became a pretty strong conservative, most importantly became a great president. he made many of the changes -- i've seen as i grew up, i've seen as i got older and wiser and i feel i am a conservative.
i also feel like i am a commonsense conservative because some of the views i don't agree with and i think i agree with me. i am not in love with eminent when jeb bush said you used that for a parking lot, it was not a parking lot. it was going to employ thousands of people. i got hit very hard. understand they took over a they said texas and eminent domain, but they just found that out after the charge -- when they say they,
talking about your brother. there are these areas where i disagree with my brother. eminentld not use domain for a parking lot. bridges, power lines. not to take an elderly woman's home to build a parking lot so high rollers can build casinos in atlantic city. that is not the appropriate thing to do. cruz, youror response? senator cruz: flexibility is a good thing, but you should not be flexible on core principles. i like donald. he's an amazing entertainer. mr. trump: thank you very much. i appreciate it. histor cruz: for most of life, his policies have been very liberal. himself as very
pro-choice. that is a matter of principle. trump: you are the biggest liar. you are probably bigger than jeb bush. this guy lied about ben carson when he talked of ben carson in iowa. and today we had robo calls trump isaying donald not going to run in south carolina where i am leaving by a lot. this is the same thing he did to ben carson. this guy will say anything. nasty guy. now i know why he doesn't have one endorsement from any of his colleagues. cruz: don, i need to go on -- trump: he's a nasty guy. cruz: i will say, it is fairly remarkable to see donald defending ben after he called, "pathological," and compared him to a child molester. both of which were offensive and wrong. but let me say this -- you notice donald didn't disagree
with the substance that he supports taxpayer funding for planned parenthood. and donald has this weird pattern, when you point to his own record, he screams, "liar, liar, liar." you want to go-- trump: where did i support it? where did i -- cruz: you want to go-- trump: again, where did i support it? cruz: if you want to watch the video, go to our website at tedcruz.org. trump: hey ted, where i support it? cruz: you can see it out of donald's own mouth. trump: where did i support? cruz: you supported it when we were battling over defunding planned parenthood. you went on -- trump: that's a lot of lies. cruz: you said, "planned parenthood does wonderful things and we should not defund it." trump: it does do wonderful things, but not as it relates to abortion. cruz: so i'll tell you what -- trump: excuse me. excuse me, there are wonderful things having to do with women's health. cruz: you see, you and i -- trump: but not when it comes to abortion. cruz: don, the reasoned principle matters. the reasoned principle matters, sadly was illustrated by the first questions today. the next president is going to appoint one, two, three, four supreme court justices. if donald trump is president, he will appoint liberals.
if donald trump is president, your second amendment will gone-- trump: hold on -- cruz: you know how i know that? dickerson: hold on, gentleman, i'm going to turn this car around. trump: ted cruz told your brother that he wanted john roberts to be on the united states supreme court. they both pushed him, he twice approved obamacare. dickerson: all right, gentlemen. bush: my name was mentioned twice. dickerson: well, hold on. we're going to -- gentlemen, we're in danger of driving this into the dirt. dickerson: senator rubio, i'd like you to jump in here -- bush: he called me a liar. dickerson: i understand, you're on deck, governor. bush: also, he talked about one of my heroes, ronald reagan. ronald reagan was a liberal maybe in the 1950's. he was a conservative reformed governor for eight years before he became president, and no one should suggest he made an evolution for political purposes. he was a conservative, and he didn't tear down people like donald trump is. he tore down the berlin wall. trump: ok, governor. bush: he was a great guy. [applause] dickerson: senator cruz, 30
seconds on this one. cruz: i did not nominate john roberts. i would not have nominated john roberts. trump: you pushed him. you pushed him. cruz: i supported -- trump: you worked with him and you pushed him. why do you lie? cruz: you need to learn to not interrupt people. trump: why do you lie? cruz: donald, adults learn -- trump: you pushed him. cruz: adults learn not to interrupt people. trump: yeah, yeah, i know, you're an adult. cruz: i did not nominate him. i would not have nominated him. i would've nominated my former boss, justice scalia's first law clerk. and you know how i know that donald's supreme court justices will be liberals? because his entire life, he support liberals from jimmy carter, to hillary clinton, to john kerry. in 2004, he contributed to john kerry. nobody who cares about judges would contribute to john kerry, hillary clinton, chuck schumer and harry reid. dickerson: we're going to switch -- cruz: that's what donald trump does. dickerson: we're going to switch here to senator marco rubio. senator marco rubio, please weigh in. rubio: on anything i want? dickerson: i thought you had a point? rubio: well, let me talk about poverty. dickerson: i thought you had a point you wanted to make. rubio: i do. bush: that was me. rubio: i had something
important. dickerson: you're on deck, sir. rubio: the issue of poverty is critical, because for me, poverty is the -- is -- is free enterprise not reaching people. today, we have antipoverty programs that don't cure poverty. we don't cure poverty in america. our antipoverty programs have become, in some instances, a way of life, a lifestyle. now, we do need antipoverty programs, you can't have free enterprise programs without them, but not as a way of life. and so i have a very specific proposal on this and i don't -- in 60 seconds, i can't describe it all, but it basically turns the program over to states. it allows states to design innovative programs that cure poverty, because i think nikki haley will do a better job curing poverty than barack obama. [applause] dickerson: senator, i wanted to ask you, just going back to immigration, in the last debate, you listed your series of accomplishments in the senate. one thing you left off was -- was immigration reform. is it the case that in your list of accomplishments you can't mention that? rubio: well, no. it's not the case. it didn't pass, and we haven't solved immigration in this country. it's still a problem. it is worse today than it was three years ago, which is worse than it was five years ago.
and it has to be confronted and solved. but the only way forward on this issue -- you asked a question about flexibility. let me tell you about that. one of the things that you need in leadership is the ability to understand that to get things done, you must figure out the way to get it done. you will not pass comprehensive immigration reform. people do not trust the federal government. they want to see the law being enforced. they want to see illegal immigration come under control. they want to see that wall. they want to see everify. they want to see all of these things working, and then they will have a conversation with you about what do you do with people that have been here a long time that are otherwise, you know, not criminals. but they're not going to do it until you first enforce the law. dickerson: dr. carson, i have -- [applause] dickerson: dr. carson, i have a question for you. candidates are-- carson: before you ask the question, can i respond to the -- you know, they mentioned my name a couple of times. dickerson: all right. you have 30 seconds, doctor. carson: all right. well, first of all, you know, so many people have said to me, "you need to scream and jump and down -- jump up and down like everybody else." is that really what you want? what we just saw? i don't think so.
and you know, i -- when i got into this race, i decided to look under the hood of the engine of what runs washington, d.c., and my first inclination was to run away, but i didn't do it because i'm thinking about our children and the fact that we are the united states of america. and anybody up here is going to be much better than what's going to come on the other side. and what happened tonight with -- with justice scalia tells you that we cannot afford to lose this election, and we cannot be tearing each other down. [applause] dickerson: dr. carson, i -- let me ask you a different question. when you were -- you were the first one, really, to talk about political correctness. everybody now talks about it, but that was really what sparked your -- your rise. politicians are often accused of glossing over any hard choices people have to make, just always selling happy, nice things. so in the -- in the spirit of saying something that might be politically incorrect, tell the voters something that they need to hear but that might be politically incorrect?
carson: well, first of all, i'm not a politician, so i'm never going to become a politician. but here's what -- here's what people need to know. people need to know that free college is not -- it's a nonstarter. you know, you have to look at our economic situation. we're on the verge of economic collapse and, you know, we're -- it's not just the $19 trillion, but it's also the $200 trillion in unfunded liabilities. what we need to think about is, what does that do to the average person? when we have a debt of that nature, it causes the fed to change their policy, it causes the central bank to keep the -- the rates low, and who does that affect? mr. average, who used to go to the bank every friday and put part of his check in the bank and watch it grow over three decades and be able to retire with a nice nest egg, that's gone.
that part of the american dream is gone. all of these things are disappearing, and bernie sanders and people like hillary clinton blame it on the rich. they say those evil rich people, if we take their money we can solve the problem. it's not the evil rich people. it's the irresponsible, evil government. [applause] dickerson: governor kasich. governor kasich, you've been described as the democrats' favorite republican. you talked about in new hampshire, democrats would come up to you and say, "i hope you win." why will that help you win a republican nomination? kasich: you know, john, i think all people are the same. look, i did 106 town halls, and i've been doing them left and right here in south carolina. the first thing we have to do is grow the economy, and i know the formula because i was chairman in washington when we balanced the budget and created so many jobs, and the same that we've been able to do in ohio. you need commonsense regulations so small business can flourish, you need lower taxes both on business and individuals, and you need a fiscal plan to be
able to get ourselves in a situation where people can predict a little bit about the future when it comes to the fiscal issues. and when you have that formula, combined with work force that's trained, you can explode the economy and create many jobs. i have done it twice, and i want to go back to washington and do it again. john, the thing is, is i think that there are people now, these blue-collar democrats -- my dad was a blue-collar democrat -- the democratic party has left them. when they're arguing about being socialists, they've left -- they have lost those blue-collar democrats. and you know what i think they get out of me -- is my sense of what they get out of me, and it's embarrassment about campaigns, you brag about yourself. but i think i'm a uniter, i think people sense it. i think they know i have the experience, and that i'm a man that can give people hope and a sense that they have the opportunity rise. and i'll tell you, i love these blue-collar democrats, because they're going to vote for us come next fall, promise you that. [applause] dickerson: mr. trump, let me ask you a question. presidents in both parties say that the one thing you need in
your administration is somebody who can tell you you're wrong. you don't necessarily seem like somebody who has somebody who tells you you're wrong a lot. can you tell us of an instance where somebody has said, "donald trump, you're wrong," and you listened to them? trump: well, i would say my wife tells me i'm wrong all the time. and i listen. [laughter] dickerson: about what? trump: oh, let me just say -- look, i am very open -- i hired top people. i've had great success. i built a great, great company. i don't need to do this. i'm self-funding. i'm spending a lot of money. i've spent -- like in new hampshire, i spent $3 million. jeb bush spent $44 million. he came in five, and i came in number one. that's what the country needs, folks. i spent three, he spends 42 of their money, of special interest money. and it's just -- this is not going to make -- excuse me. this is not going to make our country great again. this is not what we need in our country.
we need people that know what the hell they're doing. and politicians, they're all talk, they're no action. and that's why people are supporting me. i do listen to people. i hire experts. i hire top, top people. and i do listen. and you know what? sometimes they're wrong. you have to know what to do, when to do it. but sometimes they're wrong. dickerson: let me -- something, in talking to voters that they wish somebody would tell you to cut it out is the profanity. what's your reaction to that? [applause] trump: well, i'll tell you -- over the years, i've made many speeches. people have asked me, big companies have asked me to make speeches, and friends of mine that run big companies on success. and occasion, in order to sort of really highlight something, i'll use a profanity. one of the profanities that i got credited with using, that i didn't use, was a very bad word, two weeks ago, that i never used. i said, "you." and everybody said "oh, he didn't say anything wrong." but you bleeped it, so everyone thinks i said the -- i didn't say anything. i never said the word. it is very unfair, that criticism.
now, i will say this, with all of that being said, i have said i will not do it at all, because if i say a word that's a little bit off color, a little bit, it ends up being a headline. i will not do it again. i was a very good student at a great school not using -- by the way -- not using profanity is very easy. dickerson: all right. ok governor bush, i'd like to ask you -- bush: yeah, well, i have got to respond to this. dickerson: well, can i -- how about you respond, and then you can answer the question i'm about to ask you. bush: sounds like a good plan. dickerson: it'll be -- bush: or you could ask me two questions, so i could get two minutes instead of one. dickerson: if we adjudicate this, the night will be over. governor, in 2012, you said that your father and ronald reagan would have a hard time in today's republican party, based on their records of trying to find accommodation and finding some degree of common ground. do you still feel that way? bush: i think the dysfunction in washington is really dangerous, that's what i think. and we need a proven leader that has a record of solving problems, someone who doesn't cut and run; someone who could be a commander in chief to unite our country around common purposes; someone who doesn't disparage people. someone that doesn't brag, for
example, that he has been bankrupt four times and it was great, because he could use the legal system. trump: that's not -- let me respond. that's another lie. i never went bankrupt! dickerson: hold on, mr. trump. trump: no, but it's another lie. dickerson: hold on, mr. trump. trump: no, but it's another lie. this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. just a lie. bush: we need someone with a proven record to be able to forge consensus to solve problems. and right now, both republicans and democrats in washington don't get it. people are struggling -- 63% of americans can't make a $500 car payment. most americans are living paycheck to paycheck. and we need someone has a proven record of growing the economy, reforming the things that are broken. and i'm that person. dickerson: ok, mr. trump, your response. [applause] trump: let me just tell you. jeb goes around saying, just like the biggest business leaders in this country, i've used the laws of the land to chapter -- i bought a company, i threw it immediately into a chapter, i made a great deal. i uses the laws to my benefit, because i run a company. bush: yeah -- trump: excuse me, jeb! bush: yeah. trump: i never went bankrupt, never. now -- but you don't want to say
that. now, let me just say, i've used it, just like the biggest leaders in the country. let me tell you something -- florida. florida, he put so much debt on florida. you know, we keep saying he's a wonderful governor, wonderful governor. he put so much debt on florida, and he increased spending so much that as soon as he got out of office, florida crashed. i happened to be there. it's my second home. florida crashed. he didn't do a good job as governor. bush: here we go. trump: and you haven't -- excuse me, you haven't heard that. you listen to the good record in florida. you take a look at what happened, as soon as that year ended he got out, florida crashed. too much debt. he loaded it up with debt, and his spending went through the roof. trump: by the way -- dickerson: the bells are ringing, sir. trump: he was not a good governor. bush: here's the record. here's the record. we led the nation in job growth seven out of eight years. when i left there was $9 billion of reserves, 35% of general revenue. no state came close to that. trump: take a look at your numbers. bush: when i -- during my time, we were one of the two states to go to aaa bond rating. we didn't go bankrupt like trump did and call it success when people are laid off, when vendors don't get paid.
that's not success. what we did was create an environment where people had a chance to have income. personal income during my time went up by 4.4%. trump: florida went down the tubes right after he got out of office. bush: the government grew by -- trump: went right down because of what he did to it. bush: -- half of that. dickerson: all right. thank you. senator rubio, i want to ask you a 30-second question, no president can-- rubio: thirty seconds. dickerson: no -- well, i'll ask the question, you do what you want. rubio: i speak fast. [laughter] dickerson: no president can know dickerson: no president can know everything, right? so a smart leader knows how to ask questions. so if you could talk to any previous president, what's the smart question you would ask about that job that you would want to know? rubio: well, i think one of the presidents -- well, the president i grew up under was ronald reagan. and reagan had a vision for america's future. and if you think about what ronald reagan inherited, it's not unlike what the next president is going to inherit. this is the worst president we've had in 35 years, 35 years back would have made it jimmy carter. that's what ronald reagan inherited. and i think the question you would ask is, how did you inspire again the american people to believe in the future? how did you -- what did it take to ensure that the american people, despite all of the
difficulties of the time -- you know, you look back at that time, the american military was in decline. our standing in the world was in decline. we had hostages being held in iran. our economy was in bad shape. the american people were scared about the future. they were scared about what kind of country their children were going to live in and inherit. and yet somehow ronald reagan was able to instill in our nation and in our people a sense of optimism. and he turned america around because of that vision and ultimately because of that leadership. i wish ronald reagan was still around. this country needs someone just like that. and if our next president is even half the president ronald reagan was, america is going to be greater than it has ever been. [applause] dickerson: all right. that's going to have to be it there, senator rubio. we have got to go to a break. we will be right back with the cbs news republican debate in greenville, south carolina. dickerson: time now for closing statements. you will each have one minute, and we'll begin with governor kasich. kasich: well, i want to thank the people of south carolina. you've been fantastic.
and look, what i want you to know is i'm going to send a lot of power, money and influence back to where we all live. but as i've traveled around south carolina, i've noticed something. you know, it's that people have a sense that you're not going to wait on a president. you know, when i was a kid, we didn't wait on presidents to come to that little blue-collar town and fix things. you know, the lord made all of us special. the lord wants us to be connected. i believe we're part of a very big mosaic. and i'll send the power back. and whoever gets elected president here, hopefully will take care of the issue of jobs and wages and social security and the border. but the spirit of the america rests in all of us. it's in our guts. it's taking care of our children. it's taking care of the lady next door who just lost her husband. it's fixing the schools where we live and telling kids to stay off drugs. you see, i think what the lord wants is for to us engage, and in america, the spirit of america doesn't come from the top down. the spirit of america rests in us. and i want to call on everyone in america to double down and realize that you were made special to heal this country and
lift it for everyone. thank you all very much. and i hope i can have your vote in south carolina. [applause] dickerson: dr. carson -- dr. carson, you're next. carson: this is the first generation not expected to do better than their parents. some people say it's the new normal, but there's nothing normal about it in an exceptional american. i, like you, am a member of we, the people, and we know that our country is heading off the cliff. joseph stalin said if you want to bring america down you, have to undermine three things: our spiritual life, our patriotism and our morality. we, the people, can stop that decline, starting right here in south carolina. if all the people who say, "i love ben carson and his policies, but he can't win," vote for me, not only can we win, but we can turn this thing around. you know, we have this manipulation by the political class and by the media telling
us who we're supposed to pick and how we're supposed to live. we, the people, are the only people who will determine that. and if you elect me as your next president, i promise you that you will get somebody who is accountable to everybody and beholden to no one. thank you. [applause] dickerson: governor -- governor bush. bush: thank you all very much. the next president is going to be confronted with an unforeseen challenge. that's almost certain. it could be a pandemic, a major natural disaster or an attack on our country. the question for south carolinians and americans is who do you want to have sitting behind the big desk in the oval office? because that's the question. it's not the things we're talking about today. it's the great challenge that may happen. i believe i will have a steady hand as commander in chief and president of the united states. i will unite this country around common purposes because i did it as governor of the state of florida. when i was governor, we had eight hurricanes and four tropical storms in 16 months.
our state was on its back. we recovered far faster than what people thought because we led. we want to challenge rather than cutting and running. that's what we need in washington, d.c. we need someone with a servant's heart that has a backbone, that isn't going to focus on polls and focus groups. the focus will be on the american people to keep them safe and secure. i ask for your vote next saturday. [applause] garrett: thank you, governor. strassel: and now, marco rubio. rubio: thank you, and thank you for watching tonight. this is a difficult time in our country. our economy's flat, it's not creating the jobs it once did, and people struggle living paycheck to paycheck. our culture's in trouble. wrong is considered right and right is considered wrong. all the things that once held our families together are now under constant assault. and around the world, america's reputation is in decline. our allies don't trust us, our adversaries don't fear us, iran captures our sailors and parades them before the world on video. these are difficult times, but 2016 can be a turning point.
that's why i'm running for president, and that's why i'm here today to ask you for your vote. if you elect me president, we are going to reembrace free enterprise so that everyone can go as far as their talent and their work will take them. we are going to be a country that says that "life begins at conception and life is worthy of the protection of our laws." we're going to be a country that says "that marriage is between one man and one woman." we are going to be a country that says, "the constitution and the rights that it talks about do not come from our president, they come from our creator." we are going to be loyal to our allies like israel, not enemies like iran. and we will rebuild the u.s. military so no one will there test it. vote for me. i will unify this party. i will grow it. we will win this election, and we will make the 21st century a new american century. [applause] dickerson: senator cruz? senator cruz, your closing
statement? cruz: south carolina, you have a critical choice to make. our country literally hangs in the balance. do you want another washington deal maker who will do business as usual, cut deals with the democrats, grow government, grow debt and give up our fundamental liberties? or do you want a conservative, a proven conservative that will stand and fight with you each and every day? listen, repealing obamacare is not going to be easy. passing a simple flat tax that abolishes the irs. is not going to be easy, but if we stand with the american people, we can do it. and today, we saw just how great the stakes are. two branches of government hang in the balance. not just the presidency but the supreme court. if we get this wrong, if we nominate the wrong candidates, the second amendment, life, marriage, religious liberty -- every one of those hangs in the balance. my little girls are here. i don't want to look my daughters in the eyes and say, "we lost their liberties." who do you know will defend the constitution and bill of rights?
and as a commander in chief, who do you know will stand up to our enemies as the clam, steady, deliberate, strength to defeat our enemies, to secure our borders and to keep america safe. dickerson: mr. trump, your closing statements? trump: thank you. politicians are all talk, no action. you've seen where they've take you to. we are 19 trillion dollars right now. it's going to be increased with that horrible budget from a month ago that was just approved by politicians. we need a change. we need a very big change. we're going to make our country great again. i say this every night, every day, every afternoon, and it's so true -- we don't win anymore. we don't win with health care, we don't win with isis and the military, we don't take care of our vets, we don't care of our borders, we don't win. we are going to start winning again. we are not going to be
controlled by people that are special interests and lobbyists that everybody here has contributed to. and you know what, they do exactly what those folks want them to do. we are going to make our country great, and we're going to do the right thing. i'm working for you. i'm not working for anybody else. thank you very much. [applause] strassel: we'll be back with a few final thoughts in a moment. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]
>> our road to the white house coverage continues tomorrow when bush at. bush joins jeb a campaign rally in charleston, s.c.. live coverage beginning at 6:00 p.m. eastern on seas and. >> road to the white house began in iowa, the caucuses that date back to 1972. then we moved to new hampshire, the quintessential first in the nation primary. now we really began to test the candidates and their message. the first southern primary, and the party caucuses in nevada for the democrats and republicans. more than likely we will see a number of candidates drop out of the race in the field will narrow. then we will move into early march, super tuesday, winner take all primaries. countwatch the delegate
continue we will get a better sense of whose message is resonating and who is on the path to the nomination. the reality is the best presidents and the greatest presidents have been willing to recognize that they weren't the smartest person in the room. withrround themselves people they felt were smarter than themselves. >> tonight on "q&a," robert gate discusses his book "a passion for leadership: lessons on changes reform from 50 years of public service." he has served under several presidents, most recently president george w. bush and barack obama. war, the end of the cold when i was director of central intelligence, i came to believe very strongly that the american people had given the cia a pass on a lot of things because of this existential conflict with the soviet union.
i believe that after the end of the cold war, we would have to be more open about what we did and why we did it, and even to an extent how we did it, to help the american people better understand why intelligence was important to the government and to presidents, and why they valued it. >> tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span's "q&a." >> on wednesday, attorney general loretta lynch announced the justice department will file a civil rights lawsuit against the city of ferguson, missouri. this comes after the city council failed to pass an agreement between the department and the city. attendance includes to court practices. this is about 15 minutes. >> good afternoon, everyone. thank you for joining me here today. by the headere also of our civil rights division.
nearly a year ago, the department of justice released our findings in an investigation of the police department of ferguson, missouri. our investigation uncovered a community in distress, in which residents felt alienated from their own police force and their own local government. the ferguson police department's violations in particular. are expensive and delivered -- and deliberate. they violated the fourth amendment by arresting them without cause and by using unreasonable force. they made enforcement decisions based on the way individuals express themselves, and they unnecessarily escalated non-life-threatening situations. these violations were not only egregious, they were routine. they were encouraged by the city in the interest of raising revenue. they were driven at least in theyby racial bias and occur disproportionately against african-american residents of ferguson, and they were
profoundly and fundamentally unconstitutional. the government's findings were based on information'received from ferguson's own citizens, from their own records and. officials they demonstrated a clear pattern and practice of violations of the constitution and o federal lawf. after announcing our findings are mostly year ago, we begin negotiations with the city of ferguson on a court-enforceable consent decree that would bring about necessary police and tort reforms. we made clear that our goal was to reach an agreement to avoid litigation, but we also made clear that if there was no agreement, we would be forced to go to court to protect the rights of ferguson residence. painstaking negotiations lasted more than 26 weeks as we sought to remedy the early years of systemic and systematic. deficiencies. a few weeks ago, our own
negotiators came to an agreement that was both fair and cost-effective, and that would provide all the residents of ferguson the constitutional and effective policing and court practices guaranteed to all americans. as agreed, it was presented to the ferguson city council for approval or rejection. last night, the ferguson city council the rejected -- rejected the consent decree. their decision leaves us no further choice. today, the department of justice is filing a lawsuit in federal district court against the city of ferguson, missouri, alleging a pattern and practice of law enforcement conduct that file it's the first, fourth, and 15th amendments and federal civil rights laws. we intend to aggressively prosecute this case, and we intend to prevail. the residents of ferguson have waited nearly a year for their city to adopt an agreement that would protect their rights and heat them safe. they have waited nearly a year
for their police department to accept rules that would ensure their constitutional rights and rules that thousands of other police departments follow every day. they have waited nearly a year for their municipal courts to commit to a sick, reasonable rules and standards. clear, thert made residents of ferguson have suffered the deprivation of their constitutional right, the rights guaranteed to all americans for decades. they heavily the decades for justice. they should not be forced to wait any longer. thank you. >> this is fast. this is less than a day. why not go back and continue to negotiate? bankruptcy is a legitimate concern. there is a fair potential consequence. >> what i can say is that throughout the discussion with the city, beginning with the report and going through 26 weeks of negotiation, we were
very sensitive to cost concerns. as you note, you have in your packet information in our freer, we provided technical assistance to them during this time period at no cost to the city. we have discussed this issue with the city. we had come to terms on agreement to be particular to the city council. the agreement was to be approved or rejected. the city was clear last night that they rejected the agreement. >> what was your reaction when you heard that the counsel objected? >> disappointment that they chose litigation over faster moves that would bring constitutional policing to the police department. is your understanding -- of what the sticking points were? why did the city council vote this down? >>