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that we think violence is beyond the pale, is causing an endemic that you are worried about. alberto: i would like to respond, ok? the framework mary ellen is giving us would leave us unable respond to a very serious threat posed by individuals and groups against the united states. the rules of international law were not intended to prevent the united states from defending itself. all the great moral theorists say there has to be a means by which law recognizes the new, and sadly ever more creative ways of violence are created. there has to be a means of responding so that individuals will know if they operate in certain parts of the world, they
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could be subjected to a destruction. important in a sinful world. ivo: i think we live in a evenicated world in which, if we agree on what the set of rules are, how to apply them is contentious. this has been a great contentious debate, but civilized, which is good. end this with not agreement, but we will thank both of you for elucidating. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the
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be sure to watch washington journal beginning at 7:00 a.m. eastern tomorrow. >> join c-span tomorrow at 9:15 eastern with a ceremony in the great hall of the supreme court in honor of justice antonin scalia. president obama, michelle obama, supreme court justices are expected among those attending. following the ceremony, the body of justice scalia that will be open for repose. watch on c-span and c-span john kasich held a meeting at the strom thurmond institute in clemson, south carolina. his remarks are 50 minutes.
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mr. clary: good afternoon. i am so happy to see you all here today. i am gary clary. i represent district three in the state legislature. i am excited to have governor john kasich here. i met governor kasich about six months ago when he filed his papers to run here in south carolina. and for you to turn out means so much to me personally, and i know it does for the governor. i have a great honor and distinction of introducing the person who is going to introduce john kasich. [laughter] mr. clary: that is better, because tajh boyd is someone everyone here knows.
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all-american quarterback at clemson university. hauntinggives a very presence to governor kasich because in his last game, he beat governor kasich's ohio state buckeyes in the orange bowl, 40-35. now without further ado, let me bring tajh boyd to the stand. mr. boyd: very good turnout. i appreciate you for showing it up. people want to know why i endorse john kasich, and it is because i believe in what he is and what he is going to do.
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a long time ago, coach sweeney told me never associate with someone you do not believe in. when john kasich called, it was an easy decision. i love his integrity. he took an $8 billion deficit in ohio and turned it into a $2 billion surplus. given the chance to see the debate and listen and watch, there was a lot of chaos going on out there, and it was crazy. you know what i am talking about. he just weathered the storm. he was calm, collected. he looked like a president of the united states. this is someone who i truly believe can do a wonderful job. look, you know who to vote for. you need to make it happen. again, a great unifier. he is who he is, john kasich.
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governor, how are you, sir? mr. kasich: i thought i was welcomed until i heard that trashing of ohio state, and we got the speaker of the ohio house here. cliff, what are we going to do with this? there we go. you got to be gracious in winning, and you have to be gracious in losing, i guess. that is what they say. how about tajh? isn't he just the best? tajh, it is not about the numbers, is it? it is not about the numbers.
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it is about the feeling. it is about bringing people together. it is about everybody having a chance to rise. it is not a handful of people. everybody has a chance to rise america. that is why tajh boyd has been supporting me. that is what it is about. that is what it is about. they did not say to him, that guy is going to run down 20 yards, cut 40 yards to the right. tajh told his receivers, feel it. am i right? you did not know i was a major quarterback. no, i am not. they will report that. it is really great to be with all of you, and we will take some questions, and i really want to come off of this, but they told me they spent a lot of g this and there's
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tv, and i'm not allowed to move. once you get your pictures, i'm coming back. we have a lot of students here. how many students? let's see. great, great. so i want to tell you a little story. i grew up in a little town outside of pittsburgh called mckees rocks. blue-collar town. my father carried mail on his back. his father was a coal miner. as he was getting older, he was losing his eyesight because of the time he spent in the mines. my mother's mother was an immigrant from yugoslavia, and it was a town if the wind blew the wrong way, people would find themselves out of work. it was blue-collar, mostly democrat. i do not remember a republican who lived in my hometown. they said my uncle harry was a republican, but we did not pay a lot of attention to uncle harry.
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the people that were there -- i do not know why this is sticking in my head -- but there was a guy who lived catty-corner to us, he was a big fellow. he drove a truck. as i think back, it was a van, really, and i can remember him getting up in the morning and driving in that van, and he would load stuff in it, and he would come home at night, come home later than most -- would come home at 6:30 or something like that, and i can remember his clothes. he always started with clean clothes and he always finished with clothes that had oil and grease. i think he was a handyman. i know he worked for a while in beaver falls. kids and a wife. they were wonderful people. of -- atink back out
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his life, he never had a lot. had everything in the world because he had a great family and he had great neighbors, and he scratched out a living. he made his family proud of him. last night i was in new york. and i was up there doing "colbert." many of you know who he is. i was at a fundraiser. i was coming down out of this apartment, and the doorman -- for some reason i stopped, i said, hi, what is your name? and he said, well, you know -- i said, how long have you been a doorman? he said for a few years. i said, what did you do before that? he said i had a business. he said the lease on my business went up and i could afford to keep that business. and now i'm a doorman.
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he had four children. i said, i want to make sure we get the e-mails of your kids, because i want to send them an e-mail, and i want to tell them that your daddy is a man of character, and he lost his business and it must've been so extremely tough, and he told me how much you kids meant to him. and you need to let your daddy know how much you love him for the fact that he has kept his head up in adversity. when i think about those stories, i think about the people in our country who do struggle. we did not struggle as kids, really. we did not think about struggle. we would play baseball in the streets or sometimes the schoolyard, and we fished the balls out of the sewer, and if
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it them on the roof of the schoolhouse, happened like two year,ee times during the the janitor would go up on the roof and throw the balls off. it was like it was christmas. cliff, you grew up like that, not having a lot. my goal is to always remember those people, to always remember the people who do not have a voice, as somebody who will speak for them. there is this election going on -- i do not know if you have noticed -- a presidential election, and they tried to say there is two lanes, the establishment lane and the antiestablishment lane. one of these astute, national reporters interviewed me, and said, i do not think they understand there is an establishment lane, an antiestablishment lane, and a kasich lane.
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the kasich lane is somebody who has never been in the favor of the establishment. you know who else was not in the establishment lane? ronald reagan. the trashing he took because he could not be controlled by a a of people on k street in some fancy suite in south carolina. you know who else was in that lane where the establishment fears them? newt gingrich. because i remember when we were running to get the majority and it was like what is going to happen now that those crazy republicans have won the house? we balanced the budget, changed welfare, and started to grow the economy. that is the only thing that happened. and then i think about another guy who was never in the establishment lane. they kept trying to throw this guy, moving him up, trying to
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knock him out of every position by making him go higher, and then they forced him to go to washington and be vice president, and when our beloved mckinley died, teddy roosevelt became president, and the whole country, they had to buckle up their seat belt for teddy. what that is about is about change. it is about an attitude that we can make things better, and there is nothing that is off limits. when you are young, i got to tell you, never let anything be on limits, within confines of a straitjacket. shoot for the moon. i got off track a little bit, but i wanted to tell you the story. so i left that little town, and i went to ohio state, and it is a big school. about 20,000, 48,000 there. and it was something that happened early on in my time, and i got concerned, and so my uncle told me if you want to make change, start at the top,
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so i asked for a meeting with the president of the university. it was not easy to get in, but i badgered them until they would let me in, and there is a lesson for students here -- do not take no for an answer. sometimes it is easier for people to let you do what you than it is for them to keep bugging them. they finally relent. they let me in this meeting with the president, and i went into his office, and it was impressive, beautiful carpeting, beautiful furniture, beautiful leather chairs, and he said, what is on your mind? and i told him, i have been in school about a month at ohio state, and i am undecided. but looking around at the lady that kept me out, the beautiful carpeting and furniture, lights, paintings, it is beautiful, maybe this is the job for me. what exactly do you do? he told me about his fundraising responsibilities and his academic responsibilities, and
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he said the next day he was going to fly to washington have a meeting with president nixon. i said, sir, there is a number of things i would like to talk to him about also. could i go with you? he said, no. and i said, if i go back to my dorm room and write a letter, would you give it to the president? he had never seen me before, another lesson for students. the lesson is keep walking until somebody tells you to stop, ok? remember that. he said, i guess i could do that. i went back to my dorm room and i wrote a letter to the president, knew he was going to get it, inviting myself to the white house for a meeting, signed it, sincerely, john kasich. if you want to discuss it further, i have time. i will come see you. a few weeks later, i go to my mailbox, and i look a little glass window, and i see "the white house," a little letter,
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"office of the president," and i read it, go upstairs, and i call home. my mother answers the phone. i said, i'm going to need an airline ticket. the president would like to have a meeting with me in the oval office. my mother said, honey, pick up the phone. there something really wrong with johnny. this is a true story. mom is ah family, my very smart lady, but undereducated. they think this is not going to work out. they get me tickets. they drive me to the airport. my mother says, they will not let you in, johnny, but everything will be ok, we will bring you home. i fly down and i get through the security and walk into the white house, and i'm sitting right outside the oval office in a little chair. a man walks out of the oval office, says, young man, you get five minutes alone with the
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president of the united states. what do you think? i tell you what i think. new shirt, tie, jacket, pants, i did not come this way for five lousy minutes. they are out of luck. so i went in and there is the president, and i greet him, he greets me, and we sit down at his desk, and as an 18-year-old first-quarter freshman, i spent 20 minutes alone with the office in the president of the united states. and if you add up all the time i and the time iss spent in the oval office, i peaked out at the age of 18 and transferred to clemson, how is that? but there's a couple lessons in there, and mostly when i am on a college campus, and i taught over 10 years on a number of college campuses, i want you to know those that are here today, shoot for the stars.
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you all know that you are made special. do you know that? no, i'm serious. do you know you are made special? what do you think i mean by that? >> that we are created in god's image, and we are meant to be unique, and we can do anything that we put our minds to. [applause] mr. kasich: if you are secularist, that is ok. i am cool with you, ok? what he said is right, in my opinion. we are all made special to do something special. and a lot of times through our lives, we wonder, do i really matter? do i really count? what am i worth? why am i all alone? you remember that you are made
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special for a purpose, and i want to tell you we are all here at basically the same time. you see, if somebody were to fly over the world and take a picture of all of us at one time, it could be viewed as a beautiful mosaic, with all of us doing what we are supposed to do on this earth. and i believe that life is short. and i believe that when we fail to do what we are supposed to do, the mosaic becomes unfilled. and what does that mean? how about this guy, tajh? he knows his purpose. he is a guy who is active in his community. i tell you what he is -- he is a role model. he is a role model for people both in his direct community and for those who want to look
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towards a hero that spent his time striving for excellence. some people that are here, they want to be an entrepreneur, they want to create jobs. that is a man or a woman who can provide work to a family. that is a gift. or the nurse -- i do not know if you have been in the hospital lately, we do not spend much time with doctors when you are in the hospital. you got to know who the next nurse is because the nurses are the ones who are there. and what would you do if you were in the hospital with a loved one, to have the best nurse possible? what is that nurse? smiles, compassion, caring. am i right, ma'am? or if you are a teacher. we do not pay teachers enough. let's face it, we just do not pay them enough. ok? but i do know that they don't do it for the money.
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i think they do it to change lives, and they do it so that we go back to them 30 years later and say, you really meant something to me. so i want to tell whatever it is, being a doctor and making a phone call at 11:30 at night when you would rather be sleeping, or whether you work at a bank and you got some small businesswoman teetering on the edge and you are trying to take a chance on, there is so much that we can do. politics today, we tend to think that somebody is going to come riding into where we live on a white stallion, fix all our problems. not going to happen. the people at the top, they can do some things to fix things. big-time things. i mean, look, we can have commonsense regulations and not choke small business. we can reduce taxes, which sends
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a very important signal to the individual and business that it is ok to believe the economy will be ok. and we can finally get ourselves in a position to balance a budget and start getting people to do their job. those three things -- those three things will create jobs. we need to make sure we fix social security. we need to make sure that we can protect the border. you got a guy here in a red shirt -- we got to fix it. there are so many things we have to do. that is what the folks in washington should do. i am going to send a plan in the first 100 days to change the regulatory environment, reduce taxes, have a capital gains tax, to give companies a reasonable way to bring their profits home from europe so they invest it, a plan to balance the budget by restraining the growth of
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government and by transforming the way in which we do entitlements, and getting the plan to fix social security and rebuild the pentagon so we have strength in the military, and re-assuming our leadership role in the world, and job training and education, and programs for the poor and health care back to the states, so we can design programs and learn from one another -- in the first 100 days. and getting the phone numbers of all the moms and dads who have kids in congress so that on mom's birthday i can wish her happy birthday as president. she calls her kids, and says, do not mess with that president, i like him. but i will do that. but what we got to do is going back to that little town in mckees rocks where we were safe, did not have a lot, where we were secure, optimistic, hopeful
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about our lives in the future and what could be accomplished. it is all with us, right here at this very sweet and beautiful university called clemson, all over this state of south carolina, and we have to fix education, we have to make sure that those schools are producing the skills for our kids so they can have jobs that exist today and tomorrow, not jobs that existed 50 years ago. we have to do it. you have a problem with drugs? do not wait for somebody else to show up. you show up. and students who are here today, you want to obscure your purpose in life? you mess with drugs. you stay off those drugs. and when you go to those parties, and you have had your
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three drinks, and one of your friends says, we can just try that pill in that bowl over there, just one time, you get out of that place. i have seen too many young people and their families who mourn either their addiction or the loss of their life. please do not mess with that stuff, ok? have a great time. have a great time, but stay off the pills. when it comes to the poor, ok -- we are the business community. we have to make sure people get trained for a job that exist so they do not become dependent on the government. and nothing wrong with going down, for some of you to spend a little time in that food bank thanking the good lord for what you have.
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in other words, the glue that holds america together starts where we live, in our homes and in our neighborhoods. that is where it is. for those that live in a faraway place called washington, demand that they do their job, demand that they forget about their reelection and realize that first of all they are not republicans and democrats, first, they are americans first and they need to work together to give every american a chance to grow and do well and realize their dreams. and for those people who tell you everything is so bad in america, are you kidding me? we have our challenges. the country is awesome, incredible. can we meet the challenges? are you kidding me? it is not that hard.
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it is with people who let their egos get in the way. all of us, and when we lower them, and when we think about living a life bigger than ourselves, particularly in public life -- am i right, ron? we change the world. we changed it in ohio. i have led the team that changed it in washington. i'm ready to go back one time and change it one more time so we can get this country moving again, but you are my teammates. you are my teammates, and we will do it together, ok? ok. questions. i never go with the person who raises their hand first. you are out of luck, sir. sorry. right here, right here. ok, there we go. >> i appreciate your comments, and i would expand that part of the glue that holds us together
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as americans as a commitment to service. there are 5 million young americans, ready to step forward and serve their country for a year with programs like the peace corps and americorps, if given the opportunity, but unfortunately, those opportunities do not exist. we are turning away 80% of young americans who are ready to step forward to face our greatest challenges. i am wondering, as president, in the spirit of your comments earlier, can you commit to expanding national service opportunities so that a year of service becomes a common opportunity for you americans? mr. kasich: that was so beautifully put. i mean, great. i used to be against obamacare -- i am against it -- i used to be against americorps before i was for it, ok? i love that old line they use against kerry.
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i became convinced that america orps could make a difference after spending time with not volunteers, because they get paid, but they are americorps workers. i think the idea of national service is fantastic, and what i like about what you said, is, it is a voluntary program, because i have thought, should we make it a requirement? i have such mixed reaction from young people about it, but idea that there would be some more resources for these programs to engage people in their communities i think is a really good idea. now, we have to keep in mind -- the reason why we do not balance budgets, it is hard to understand, because not that many people are affected. the only people who are affected, farmers, doctors, hospitals, students, senior citizens, military, soldiers, their dependents, everybody, right?
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everybody. what happens is it is innate to us for a politician to say yes to everything. when we say yes to everything, we put ourselves $19 trillion in debt, we're spending $225 billion in interest on the debt, and if interest rates go up, bar the door. just think if you could take $100 billion of the $225 billion and spend it on alzheimer's research and on dementia and pancreatic cancer or to fight these diseases that we do not always focus on. but they are in the context of balancing the budget. you have to have your priorities. a few more resources for a program like that will probably pay off. we have a lot of students here who have rung up college debt. let me head you off before you ask me.
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let me talk about it a little bit, ok? first of all, if you are not in college, then you need to take those college credit courses, and something for the moms and dads and the grandparents that are here, you know how many students we have who graduate from high school thinking they did well and then when they get to college they have to pay tuition to take 11th-grade courses in math and english? do you know that? we need to remediate it online so they are prepared to get the ground running in college. you also have the opportunity, if you want to control your cost, you go to a community college for a couple years and transfer those credits to the four-year schools. i am fixing to expand that to three years. we will get hassles from the four-year schools, if you want students to control their debt while getting a good education, we need to permit students go
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three years to a community college. for those that are already here, what are we going to do? first of all, it is really important that the people who lead higher education start to focus on controlling their costs, because the costs are out of control. and i do not think that means you got to go beat up the professors. most of the costs, and i do not know what the costs are at clemson, but most of the costs we know from national studies are the administrative costs that could be more easily controlled, but frankly some of the leaders do not want to control it. why? if you are a college president, what do you think you want to be tomorrow? think about it. >> still a college president? mr. kasich: give him an a. give him his degree. a college president wants to be
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a president tomorrow. it is hard to bring about change on campus. our president at ohio state proposed that we lease the parking garages and the surface lots because he is saying, why are we running these things? our job is to educate students, not run a parking garage. not the entire faculty -- but a lot of the faculty went crazy. i do not understand your opposition. he got half $1 billion and stock a lot of the money into scholarships. why are they running dining facilities? that is not their jobs. we have to get these costs under control. back to the national service question. for those that have these high costs, i have not put the program together yet, but the idea that you can do national service to work off some of that big college debt is important and is something that has my attention.
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i want to tell all the people here, you are not going to get free college education, ok? you might -- i want bernie to tell those guys , his friends in vermont, to give us free ben and jerrys for a year. we have a real problem here with our millennials starting with huge debt. how did it happen? we promised them, you go to school, you will get a good job, and do not worry about the debt. and then they went to college, we have no job growth, and they cannot find a job and the debt is lingering and growing, so we will have to think about ways to deal with it. i like the idea of having businesses having incentives to help a student pay down debt as a tool for attracting people, but this issue back to national service is something that might make some sense. i am going to figure it out
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because it is a problem in our country, and i want our young people to get off to a really good start. so right here, sir. >> is there hope in the israel-palestinian conflict, and if there is, what will you and your secretary of state do to realize that hope? mr. kasich: you think about the goal. the goal for israel is to maintain stability. we are not going to have some kumbaya peace over there. we have to know what to pursue and how we pursue it. what i would say to you is that number one, they are one of our greatest allies and we are not going to turn our backs on them. i just thought, i was amazed that the president would not meet with netanyahu when he came to washington. if a foreign leader like that
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comes to washington, when i am there, we will at least have a cup of coffee. i might not have a bunch of cameras, but you got to show respect, and they are our allies. that is what we have to do. if you have concerns with israel, then you can tell them what your concerns are. but you do not do it out in front of cameras. we do not need to solve the problem of encryption in united states, the controversy that is raging between apple and the fbi. do you guys have a soundproof room where we can get five adults in it and figure it out? the same is true with our friends. you got something to tell them, tell them, but do not undermine your friends and treat your enemies with more regard than you are treating your friends. in life, we tend to be tougher on our families and friends than we are with people we do not know. that is not a good thing to do in foreign policy.
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we all hope there will be a two-state solution, but it is easy to sit here and talk about te solution when people are being stabbed inside of israel. go take care of it. we got to make sure that the security of israel is protected, and we cannot walk away from them or undermine them or make them feel insecure while at the same time we want to search for stability, because that is what the goal has to be. every day over there that things victory,iet, that is a and i think that is the way we have to pursue that. yes, sir, way in the back -- right here. you jumped up first. we will go to you. >> i am a lot like you. i'm from pennsylvania. mr. kasich: cannot hear. if you are from pennsylvania, we know you are loud enough. >> i went to ohio state. my grandfather died from black lung as well.
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i fished in a sulfur black creek. if i caught a little chub, i was happy. i got a master's degree from clemson university in environmental toxicology. i have given 21 years to this university. my wife has worked for the same company for 21 years. if either one of us lost our job, we would be at the poverty level. i have worked hard. i have taken extra jobs on the weekend to give my family extra money to do those extra things. i want to talk to you about social dependence. i have two questions for you, sir. if you are president, what are you going to do to stop this growing population of citizens who choose this way of life, not to stay in school, not get the job, who rather would just rely on the government?
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please tell me what you would do to this growing culture of social dependence? i also ask, why should i vote this saturday and not met saturday. more importantly, why should i vote for you? mr. kasich: what is next saturday? oh, ok. i do not think about that. yeah. where do i start first? if you have listened to me for 15 minutes and you have not made up your mind, i do not think there is anything else i can don't you. -- tell you. are you with me or against me? >> i want to hear what you have to say about this issue. mr. kasich: ok. let's talk about that and then you will commit.
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where did you grow up in pennsylvania? ok. my mother had a philosophy. and i agree with it. not to help someone who needs help, but it is a sin to continue to help somebody who needs to help themselves. that is my basic philosophy. [applause] believedh: now, i have with rising economic strength, we cannot leave anybody behind. we cannot let the mentally ill sleep under a bridge or live in prison. that is not right. you would not believe that. you do not think we should turn our back on the drug-addicted. and the working poor, sometimes it is hard for them to take a pay increase than it is for them to turn it down. they lose more than they gain. people toof the main
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push the welfare reform through congress, which eliminated the entitlement on welfare. was a significant accomplishment for us in the congress, that and balancing the budget was worth the cost of admission. secondly, in our state, we were really in bad shape. $8 million in the hole, 20% of our operating budget. we had lost 350,000 jobs. up, ourare 100,000 jobs credit is strong. we have cut taxes by $5 billion, particularly for small businesses. when we do well, we want to pull everyone along with us and give them a chance. but if you are on these programs and we are helping you, that is not good enough. you need to make a commitment to be personally responsible for the help you are getting. in my hometown
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on sunday. these two ladies working there all the time, they are not making a lot of money. they were telling me about people who came in and used food stamps to buy products and sell them for more money. i think we call that fraud. they are pleading with me to fix it. welfare andn cash you are able-bodied, you have to work 30 hours a week. people do not know that. we actually take benefits away from people that violate that. if you are on food stamps, and i actually believe i wrote this law, if you are able-bodied, you have to work 20 hours a week. but what we are trying to do and what i am trying to do is say to the welfare department, because they have become bureaucracies, in many ways, they do not want to reform. they do not want to change. you go into the welfare
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department, and you have, like, 10 people trying to kick you around. i want one caseworker with one person. when they get something, i want them to be trained. we are trying to bring the businesses into the welfare office. get the businesses in the welfare office so that when somebody gets something, they look at the business and the business says, i will train you for a job that exists. i am telling welfare departments in ohio, get your act together. your too bureaucratic, not responsive. i want people to get training and i want to hold them accountable for taking a job we can train them for. departments,lfare and i keep referring to these guys, these are leadership that showed up to help me, i told the welfare departments -- if you do not drive that through, i will privatize your department or
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combine it with another county that will do this. we cannot continue to help people who need to learn how to help themselves, sir. that is my philosophy, and we are going to do that in ohio. [applause] the way, i want to send welfare back here. you write your own welfare laws. you figure out what you want to do based on your culture. let me say one other thing. when you have done 21 years at the school, what do you do, by the way? you run the aquatic research lab? you are basically all wet? you run that lab -- 21 years. doesn't he deserve a little applause for his work? [applause] mr. kasich: look, the whole key to everything here is growth, right? if you do not have growth, you do not have anything.
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families are stronger, universities are stronger. everyone is stronger with growth. i will cut you another thing we have to do about these people being dependent a lot of times. a kid grows up in the neighborhood very poor. sometimes, they wake up and hear gunshots, don't they? they hear gunshots. they are afraid to go to school. or you have a kid who gets a ride to school with his mother and she is smoking dope in the car. i am not categorizing. i'm saying it happens to kids. and then we say to them pulled a -- pull yourself up by your
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bootstraps. they don't know what a bootstrap is. we are pushing in our state, and i'm so proud of this, we're spending money and telling businesses that if you adopt a faith-based institution and you adopt a school and go in there, we will match you three dollars for every dollar you spend in we will teach you how to mentor children. in the cincinnati public schools, the graduation rate is 63% but in the one high school in the cincinnati district, the y mentor, the graduation rate is 97%. [applause] mr. kasich: none of these kids lives should be tossed away that we can all help to get them up.
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you know what you tell them? you tell them "kids, you want to see my car, you want to look at my clothes, you can be something you -- something?" we have a care the drops out, we out, wehat might drop give them a completely different path. we don't want to leave anybody left behind. it isn't fair to those ladies working and it isn't fair to you. we will keep at it. it will never be perfect. vote this saturday, all right? [applause] mr. kasich: i told them when i was in new hampshire, i was going to south carolina to wear flip-flops and you are doing it. [laughter] mr. kasich: you will get the
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last word. i don't know where i'm going but i'm going somewhere and i have to be on time. >> i drove up from the university of georgia. sorry. [laughter] >> i wanted to let you know why i'm supporting you and why that support is unwavering. and -- and why that support is unwavering. over a year ago, a man who is like my second father killed himself. and a few months later, my parents got a divorce, and a few months later, my dad lost his job. i was in a really dark place for a long time. but i found hope and i found it in the lord and my friends and now in my presidential candidate
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i support and i would really appreciate one of those hugs you have been talking about. [applause] mr. kasich: there's nothing more to say then i will tell you this -- as i have been out here. this is not unusual. that story is so painful. i've heard about pain all across this country. and i've learned we are going to fast. we need to slow down.
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there are not enough people who are helping those with no one celebrate their victories and we don't have enough people that will sit down and cry without young man. don't you see that's what it's about? we can rebuild the country and we can get people on their feet and we can grow but is there any substitute for what you just heard? there isn't. as americans, let's renew our spirit. let's care about one another and not be disconnected and together we will rise this country from a position where we doubt to a position to being americans when we are so confident of the future for ourselves and our children.
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i have two 16-year-olds. for my grandchildren one day. thank you and god bless you. [applause] [indiscernible conversations] coming up, hillary clinton speaking to voters at a get out a the caucus rally hosted by local labor union. >> he spent margin journal live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. american vice president program director peter bergen will join us to talk with his new book.
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investigating america's homegrown terrorists. be sure to watch she spent washington journal beginning live at 7:00 eastern tomorrow. >> the south carolina primary is saturday. we love live road to the white house coverage of senator ted cruz talking to voters at a rally in west columbia. trump at a rally in north charleston south carolina. but live coverage starting at 7:00 eastern also on c-span2. >> during campaign 2016, c-span takes you on the road to the white house as we follow the candidates on c-span, c-span radio, and >> republican birther to candidate jeb bush spoke at a town hall rally hosted by the
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columbia tourism and lodging association in columbia, south carolina. helptlined his plans to the military and the v.a.. this is an hour and a half. >> good afternoon. i'm here on behalf of governor jeb bush. i retired from the navy as a four-star admiral in my last job was commander of the u.s. atlantic fleet, where we had about 160,000 sailors and marines who were today in and day out to help defend this country. i know everyone in this audience shares the same values in the same goals of how important it is for this country to be protected into the future. that's why i represent over 40 admirals and generals a lot of other men and women in uniform
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today and retired saying that we need a leader in the white house to be our next commander-in-chief. we represent and support 100% governor jeb bush. i would ask everyone to rise and join me in the pledge of allegiance. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. thank you. at this what i would like to turn this microphone over to bobby williams. [applause] >> i'm from birmingham. i went to john carroll high school. >> we went to the same high school in birmingham, alabama.
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>> i'm bobby williams, a local restaurant here -- restauranteur. my family has been in business here for 37 years. i'm excited to be able to introduce lindsey graham. lindsay has earned the reputation as a common sense conservative problem solver. he wants our defense to be extremely strong, and i think we all agree with that. as a business owner, i'm proud to think that senator graham is a leader who carries a focus on cutting wasteful spending, reforming entitlements, and getting the government out of the way so businesses like mine may continue to create jobs.
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on a personal level, i got to see senator graham up front. my son christopher worked in his washington office for three years. what i found out about senator graham is he is honest, hard-working, fair. he loves our country, he loves our state, and he has made south carolina a better place to live because of his hard work. it is my honor and pleasure to introduce senator lindsey graham. [applause] sen. graham: thank you very much. i feel like i was at my own funeral. anybody been to lizard's thicket? we are going to get you off that low-carb diet. my family owned a restaurant too. i grew up -- my dad owned a bar, restaurant, liquor store, and pool room. that is why i am qualified to be your senator.
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you get up early, you work hard, you have to go to work every day whether you feel like it or not. anybody own their own business? literally my mom and dad never had a day off except sunday because they close the liquor store on sunday. i know what it's like to be in small business, and so does jeb bush. i have never been more worried about the small business world that i am today. never let somebody president who had not bought a car. that's barack obama. much less run anything. a community organizer is probably not the best training ground to be a commander in chief. how about -- jeb bush was in -- eight years the commander-in-chief of the florida national guard. i know people who served under florida, the two
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adjutant generals serving with jeb talk about his handling of eight hurricanes and six tropical storms in 8 months, making 150 phone calls to loved ones -- to families who had lost loved ones in iraq and afghanistan -- don't you think that is a hell of a lot better than a community organizer? [applause] jeb said, don't cuss anymore, and i didn't. our number one candidate is crazy. other than that, we're ok. i say that understanding i don't want to give crazy a bad name. here is why i think he's crazy. you've got to be crazy to
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believe that george w. bush lied to the american people about the iraq war. that comes from kookland. the people who go there are on an island, and you don't want to take them off the island. this is offensive that president george w. bush was responsible for 9/11. that offends me. does that offend you? [applause] i've had the honor to be in the oval office with president bush and president obama. it is a very special place to find yourself. i had the honor to be in the oval office with president bush when he had to adjust his strategy on the war in iraq. it is during these times that you learn about leaders. our calculations about iraq prove not to work out great war
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is an uncertain thing. rather than following the polls, aboutwere universally leaving, republicans and democrats were ready to cut and run. myself, john sat down with president bush and his military and national security advisers. president bush listened intently. he said, i'm all in. i don't want to see a poll, i want to know what's best for our country to secure the future of america. i believe that jeb bush has the temperament, the judgment, and the experience to win a war that we can't afford to lose. the next president of the united states is going to be a wartime president. donald trump doesn't understand this war. he doesn't understand what makes america great.
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if he did, he would not say the hateful things he has been saying. [applause] senator graham: ted cruz is a first-term senator who could not make sunday a day off. nobody works with him. in ted's world, everybody is wrong except ted. in ted's world, there's not much common ground. marco rubio is a talented man who i like. i was not ready to be president at 44. jeb bush is ready to be president better than marco rubio. [applause] jeb bush decided not to expand obamacare.
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john kasich felt like that was the right thing to do. the bottom line is that then carson is the nicest man in the world -- ben carson is the nicest man in the world, and if ben carson is mad at ted cruz, that says a lot about ted cruz. so we are down to jeb. i went with jeb when i got out, because i believed having been around all of them that this was the man that could pull our country back together, solve hard problems, because he did it in florida. do you want to win this election as republicans? [applause] senator graham: here's the question. you should embrace a man who won florida by getting 60% of the hispanic vote. if we can come anywhere near that, we win going away. how do you get 60% of the hispanic vote? by being a governor for everybody and proving to hispanics that conservative principles work for them. we have the best candidate in
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our midst. we have the guy who's ready to be president on day one, who understands the job because his dad and his brother had it. i like the bush family. they represent south carolina values much better than trump values. i don't know what trump values are. they are foreign to me. they're not what i can relate to. so to the voters -- saturday i ask you one thing. give jeb bush the momentum he needs to become the alternative to donald trump, a man jeb bush has stood up to while everyone hid in the corner because they were worried about the concert -- consequences of taking on the bully. jeb called me to ask about my
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advice about the war while we were competitors. that shows a man with confidence. we talked about how to win this war and i am confident he understands how to win it. when he stood up to trump and nobody else would, that closed the deal with me. if you can't stand up to trump, you are not going to stand up to hillary or bernie or putin. we have a chance in south carolina to reset this race. people ask me, why would i get involved? response, how could i not? the next president of the united states, jeb bush. jeb bush: thank you, lindsey. [applause] jeb bush: thank you all. thank you. thanks, guys.
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thank you so much for your leadership, your patriotism, your being the phenomenal senator for this phenomenal state. lindsey graham is probably the single biggest, most important expert on national security in the united states senate. and he is supporting me, which i'm honored about, because he could have been supporting one of his colleagues, or he could have stayed out. but he believes i've got the right stuff, and i'm honored to call you a friend, and you have been a phenomenal advisor and supporter during this journey. i want to recognize a few people. anyone know who roland martin is? he's right here. [applause] jeb bush: roland lives in naples, florida. he has never been involved in politics before, but he saw me in action as governor of the
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state of florida trying to protect wild florida. so he could have t.v. shows talking about people catching fish. he is a great guy, and it's great to have you on the trail. he is a small business person as well and knows what it's like to deal with all the massive amount of regulation that exists right now in our country. i went to recognize my brother marvin, who is the smart bush. [applause] jeb bush: big marv is smart because he stays below the radar and doesn't get to deal with all the cameras. he's had a great life and he's a great brother, great supporter. i want to recognize the love of my life. next week we will have been married 42 years. my wife is here. [applause] jeb bush: i met her when i was 17 years old.
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the girls sometimes think this is cool. it was literally love at first sight. it was like a lightning bolt hit me, and it changed my life. my life can be divided ac and bc. thankfully the statute of limitations has run out for the before part, but she gave me order and purpose in my life that has kept me moving. i could not do this without her and i'm proud of her for all the things she has done as first lady of florida and being a loving wife. i want to tell a story about america, and that relates to my near-perfect first grandchild. her name is georgia helena walker bush. we call her 41 in the family because she is named after the greatest man alive, my dad.
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georgia is a texas mexican canadian iraqi american. american.yphenated columbo is mexican. i'm from texas. my daughter in law was born in canada and her parents are iraqi. she is a quadra-hyphenated american. when she fills out the form when she turns 18, she will say not -- it will say not applicable. that is good. we should stop dividing ourselves up in our disparate parts and allowing politicians to do the same. [applause] jeb bush: my aspiration to run for president is to resolve the differences, focus on the things we have in common, create a sense of common purpose again, restore the confidence and
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optimism that should exist in this extraordinary country on the face of the earth, and we will never do it by having politicians prey on our fears and angst and divide us up in all different ways. president obama is a gifted man. i sat behind him when he is behind a teleprompter. he plays it like a stradivarius violin. but there was nothing in his background that would suggest that he can make a tough decision, forge consensus, that he was a leader. we are electing a president of the united states. it is the ultimate leadership job in this country. you can't blame everybody else for the problems that exist and be a successful president. you have to make tough decisions. it's important for people in south carolina and this country when they think about who they are going to support, past is prologue.
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we can't take a risky bet. for 7 years we have languished as a nation because this gifted man had nothing in his background that would suggest he could lead, and he hasn't. he passed dodd-frank, obamacare, and the stimulus. jammed it down the throats of the other party. not a single republican vote. there on out, it has been done by executive order. in many cases he does not have the constitutional authority. i believe we need to get back to the business of protecting our democracy by respecting the constitution. i'm going to make a few promises today. when i am president, day one, first minute, whatever happens, it happened on my watch. i will accept personal responsibility. i won't blame my predecessor. i will except responsibility and run to the challenge to fix the problem rather than try to figure out a way to avoid the
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controversy and cut and run. i hope you want a president who does just that. [applause] jeb bush: the second commitment i will make to you is, i love the constitution and i will not trample over it. we will get back to the business of having respect for the constitution. no executive orders you don't have the power to do. no allowing for the divide to bigger by simply doing it your way without consulting. not trying to force consensus. people that disagree with me aren't bad people. they might just be wrong. there is a difference between demonizing someone that disagrees with you, but pushing away. you never have a chance to forge consensus. but you could have a dialogue to create consensus.
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great presidents don't push people down to make themselves look better. donald trump, could you imagine him in the oval office? shouting profanity, insulting women, hispanics, calling john mccain a loser because he was caught? he is a legitimate american hero. no one should say something like that. no one should disparage -- [applause] bush: it is not a sign of strength to talk people down. it is not a sign of strength to disparage the disabled. we need a president with our hopes up and accept personal responsibility and goes about forging consensus again to our democracy works. with the president is most needed right now is restoring america's leadership in the world. like videoght fights games. that is not how it works.
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people need to know, our friends need to know, that we have their backs. our enemies need to fear us. america has a unique role to play in the world. we are not an occupying force. the language of the left is just wrong on this. we used to have a bipartisan consensus that i will leadership created peace and security. the way do that is to rebuild the military so that when the president talks, and i would argue maybe the president to talk less, no more red lines and .rash talking number talking about pivoting to asia, and the asians wonder where the pivot took place. the rest of the world wonders why are you pivoting away from us. he jvre calling isis te team. our basic freedom is what they
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hate. talking west, but backing it up with a military that is so strong, and so fears -- fierce that people know that if they will actively wrong with it will be a consequence that is severe. we need to rebuild the military to make sure that the best equipment, the best training, the best support. they are patriots. they're the ones that are keeping us free. we need a commander in chief to will have their backs. i pledge to you that is exactly what i will do. [applause] jeb bush: we need to change the culture of washington. when i was governor, i came up from miami to this little sleepy town called tallahassee. i turned that place upside down. not to be disruptive, but somebody to say this is not working as well as it could. state thatrida, a should begin its ascendancy each
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and every day. we had eight balance the budget required by the constitution. i left office with a $9 billion in reserve. was roughly 35% general revenue. we need that in washington, d.c. we need a balanced budget amendment and we need to move towards a surplus again. i know how to do this. i did it as governor of state of florida. three similar reserves and were pretty high as we had line-item veto power and a used to 2500 separate times. me vetoled corleoni. i embrace it for some legislators but line items in the budget we called them turkeys instead of porkbarrel. we call them turkeys for some reason. i would take them out of the budget. there was a sigh of relief because they said i can go back
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home and say that i tried to get it done but the mean old governor was the guy that did not let it happen. i will happily i would love to take that responsibility in washington. the next president should have line-item veto power, to bring order and discipline to the budget. we did something no other state did, and now a few have done it. we eliminated lifetime employment protections for government. not to be punitive, but to make the point that government is the servant, not the master, of people. how can you be a servant if you have lifetime protections no matter what you do? we changed that in florida. the government was reduced by 13,000 workers.
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no one came close to that. we did not do it to be punitive, but if we had that in state governments, i can promise you, the economy grew. we created 1.3 million jobs in florida. we led the nation in small business creation. income grew, but the government shrank as it related to the size of the economy. i am proud of that. it was not an easy thing to do. there were thousands of so-called volunteers that came down to try to defeat me because if that contagion of career civil service reform would cross state lines to other states -- thankfully it has, but it has not come to washington, d.c., and we need civil service reform and the elimination of lifetime protection of employment in washington, d.c., as well, and i know how to do it, and i will work for it to happen. the place it should begin is the department of veterans affairs, a behemoth.
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340,000 employees, a massive bureaucracy, all of whom do great work and are driving to take care of veterans, but a system that is completely broken, protecting the interests of employees at the expense of veterans. last year bonuses went to the department of management. they were trying to apply private sector principles to this department. part of it was to get bonuses for reducing the waiting lists, and they did it. they reduced the lists in some parts of the country. but veterans did not get care. some vets died, and only three people have been fired. heads will roll outside the department of veterans of affairs when i am president, and we will fire the competent -- the incompetent people making it harder for the veterans to get the care they deserve, because they earned it.
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in florida we created the first voucher program, the second, the third, and the largest virtual school where anybody can go to get a course in the florida virtual school. choice matters. parents having choices improves the quality of education. schools get better when parents are empowered with choices. that is how life works. you are better because the restaurant next door is constantly trying to innovate, and if you do not, they will go next door. choice matters. competition matters. one way to improve the department of veterans affairs is to give veterans a choice card to allow them to see their private doctor if they want to. the private clinic that might be more convenient, a local hospital instead of trying to travel miles with massive bureaucracy around whether or not you can use the choice card. we should liberate this, and i
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promise you the department and the clinics and hospitals will reform themselves or they won't have anybody showing up. that is the way you reform how washington works. you have got to have a deal for this. you have to have experience in business and government to make it happen. guess what -- i do. i am the only one that has the zeal for reform in this regard to make this happen. i think we need to change the culture and reform washington so we can get back to the business of higher economic growth where everybody has a chance to earn success. this is not a get-in-line country. it is not a top-down country. it is a bottom-up country. we should never allow the government to stifle the ability for people to dream the biggest possible dreams. that is what is at risk in the selection. if we allowed the left, hillary clinton or, god forbid, bernie sanders, to be president, the lifeblood of this country will
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be sucked away. it will go to washington. we will be told what line to get into. it does not work. it might work in other countries, but not in america. we need to shift power away from washington. to simplify the tax code, we need to stop this impulse of trying to pick winners and losers. let markets works, and we will create high, sustained economic growth where more people will have an optimistic future. in 1994 i ran and i lost, and it was a great experience. losing is one of the best things that you can do if you are interested in improving yourself. you never learn when you are successful. you think it is perfect and it will work out. it is when you get knocked back when you adjust, when you learn, grow.
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1994 was a growing experience. in 1998 i decided i would campaign a different way, i would listen and learn, and then hopefully lead. i went to visit 250 schools because i believed our public education system was not hitting on all cylinders. we were 50th out of 50 in graduation rate. no one in florida, whenever we were low, said 48. we said, thank god for filling in the blanks for those who are 49 and 50. we had dumbed down. we had a high school graduation requirement of eight-grade level. i visited 250 schools, january to november. i had very provocative views of education then and still do. i could see that people were looking at the back of my head like i had horns.
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i was scary to people. i had a heart for the kids and system. i might not agree with them, but i have a heart for the students. i was at a school in seminole county, and this kid was taking this test, practicing for the test, to graduate from high school. eight-grade level. for high school. does not make sense to me. he was studying and failed three times, and if he didn't passed at this time, he would not get his diploma. he had already passed the course, but how could you pass the senior high school courses and struggle with an eighth-grade test?
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i saw him looking over his shoulders as he was trying to enter the following question -- a baseball game start the 3:00, ends at 4:30. how long is the game? he could no answer it. we spend more per student that any country in the world. florida was below the national average. we spend more money on education than the benelux countries. we had a child who cannot answer that question. it broke my heart. it made me angry. it gave me a sense that we needed to reform the system. i went all in, and i challenged -- we created choice program -- [inaudible] [no audio] fast-forward last year i met a person who was 25 years old, and african-american, brought up in jacksonville on the other side of the tracks, a term i hope we wipe off the map.
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i am tired of saying your zip code matters. it is what you do in life that matters, not where you are born. that is the problem. she told me her story. she was held back two years in a row in third grade, one of which was because we eliminated social promotion, the idea that you pass a kid from third grade to fourth grade. we eliminated that. that was a provocative act. there were people who were upset, but we cut in half the illiteracy rate. she was held back. she told me the story, and her godmother found out about a program, the largest voucher program in the country. 80,000 low-income kids go to private schools because i opened up the system for them. she got to go to a christian
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school. her first week -- i know what happened -- a teacher put their arm around this child and said, i love you. she had not heard that very often in her life. you can do this. you are capable. jesus loves you. it is a christian school. you can say that there. we will do this together. she overcame the two years he was held back. she graduated with her age group. she was the first in her college to get a high school diploma, and this year she is going to get a master's degree. why do i tell you this? because conservatives will not win unless we are on the side of that person, being angry describing how bad things are. we will never win dividing people in their disparate parts. we can win because our philosophy is the winning philosophy.
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if we run a campaign with arms wide open, campaigning in every nook and cranny in this country, whether they are a small business person ready to give up because of the rules imposed on them or a person who is developmentally singled and wants to be able to live a life of purpose and meaning, the system does not provide for that happen, were a kid who cannot read whose parent wants them to go to a school where they can read. we need to be on the side of people that do not want a handout, they do not want to get in line. they want to pursue their dreams as they see fit on their terms. that is america at its best, and the next president better be on the side of people who dream big dreams and tear down barriers so they can do it.
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if you believe like i do, but it takes leadership to fix the mess in washington, i ask for you support. i ask for your prayers. i hope that you will vote for me on saturday, and i hope you get other people to do the same. thank you all very much. you got a question? you? we have a microphone. first question. >> what is your favorite book? mr. bush: "art of the deal." [laughter] mr. bush: that is a donald trump book. in one of his books, donald trump said i was the most gifted politician in the world,
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phenomenal governor. he must've forgotten he wrote it, because he and i do not see much eye to eye anymore. the last book i read was the john meacham book on my dad, which i loved because i got to know things about my father that i did not know. i was surprised. i thought i knew everything i could know about the greatest man alive. i enjoyed that one. i like reading a lot. i hope you do, too. what is your favorite book? >> [indiscernible] mr. bush: fantastic. keep reading. she has read the whole series. good for you. excellent. yes. >> hi. as a veteran, a military spouse, and a mom, and a volunteer, having now faced the 16-year
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war, massive budget cuts, aging aircraft, and dealing with v.a. medical systems, how do you intend to motivate a tired and debilitated and disillusioned force, now with the threat of terror and isis in the united states? mr. bush: i will lift the lawyers off the backs of the war fighters, stop the political positioning of the military, trust the military to do its job. the commander in chief does not outsource the responsibility of being commander in chief. he does not say just go do it. you get options, create a strategy, and have the back of the military rather than imposing conditions on them that make it hard. this president sought the authorization to use military force temporarily as it related to syria. then he put so many constraints on it that you do not have the viability that it should. he put constraints on the war fighters at it relates to the
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dropping of ordnance in the fight against isis. there are layers of approvals necessary. america's military adheres to the international standards of war fighting. we do not need to impose additional ones. we need to spend more money on the military. the idea of donald trump and kasich, they do not believe that we need to spend more money. as you mentioned, we have aging equipment. the air force planes are older than the pilots. some are like grandparents to the pilots. the b-52 was launched in an era of harry truman. how big is the navy right now? further cuts, moving down to a time, to 1910. the army levels will be down to 410,000 in the next three or
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four years if sequester continues. we have reduced the marine force by 15,000. half of marines stationed in the united states are not qualified for readiness. they do not meet the standards. all this requires money. can we spend money more effectively? you bet. we are top-heavy in the department of defense. there are more civilians. our procurement processes need to be reformed. we need to make a commitment that not every government is the same. the way they compromise in washington is one side says we need this, the other side says we need this. the way they compromise is they both get it and the deficit grows. this is the first priority. our intelligence capability in rebuilding the military would lift them around up far more than anything else, because it would be a signal that we are not doing this in a halfhearted way. that is the first set. as it relates to people that are
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serving, and if you have a bigger force, the deployments will be less arduous, so that is another element that is going to help morale. the other thing you have to do is assure people that are enlisting to service and keep us safe when they come home to the department of veterans affairs, it will be fixed. that would help lift reform, to make a total commitment of transformation of his department into the 21st century. hillary clinton, when asked about the department of veterans affairs, said republicans are exaggerating. i have not met a veteran who thinks this is an exaggeration what i'm saying. every one of them says the exact same thing -- they are not getting what they need, and if they do get it it is because of someone breaking the rules inside the apartment that is a nurse or doctor that is doing extraordinary work. they are great people, but the
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system needs to be turned upside down and reformed. those are the ways you can restore the military, the morale in the military, but you got to be doing it. final thing i would say that the best way to military to work is they are not deployed, because we are so fierce and so strong and so committed that people change their behavior in a way to create a more peaceful world. when we are weak and vacillating, the opposite effect takes place, where you see the chinese building a military base 100 miles off the coast in the south china sea, where you see russia invading ukraine without much consequence, and now threatening the office in eastern europe. you see this because we are weak. you see israel no longer feeling the united states has the security umbrella that it once had. restoring relationships with our
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allies where they know we have their back and our enemies fear us will actually lessen the chance of deployments, and that is what we need to get back to. yes, sir. >> i met you at a pro-life rally. another issue i have with you, the first thing i see you always attack donald trump, a repetitive thing. everyone knows you have a fight with donald trump. are you scared of donald trump? something is up. mr. bush: he is not a conservative. he is the leading candidate in the conservative party and has hijacked the conservative party. i have been a conservative all my life -- he says we do not have to reform social security. yeah, we do. you are taking a stand. you know this. he says we do not have to.
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he says we do not have to spend more military money. yes, we do. he admires the single-payer system. it would be a disaster. now he talks about obamacare, that he has talked about things as it relates to guns, life question, health care, the economy, that is out of the mainstream of conservative thought. and but for me, who? who will take him on if i do not? >> good afternoon. we hear from trump about competitiveness, especially with china, and now he said that mexico is the new china appeared how will you restore global competitiveness? mr. bush: he does not talk about competitiveness. he talks about unfairness, i


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