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be president? gingrich: she got a sense of trying to help the country on her terms. she probably thinks that she is far and away the best given all of the things she has done in her life. she has been in the room for eight years with bill. she has been a u.s. senator. she has been secretary of state. she is a very bright, hard-working woman. i think all of that kind of fits together. you know, she talked a lot about her husband and the eight years he was in the white house, and you worked with him, balancing the budget. if you were on the ticket, does that take away one of the issues she may talk about on the campaign? mr. gingrich: i do not know. she will have her version of reality, and we will have hours. host: example?
mr. gingrich: they forget about the 35 days that we close the government to get his attention. a slight difference of you. host: will the impeachment be an issue? gingrich: no, not the lewinsky case. , he willo after trump come back at them very aggressively, because that is what he does. it is not a matter of personality. there is a very consistent doctrine of constantly counterattacking. host: so what will it look like? gingrich: i cannot even begin to imagine it. i might be surprisingly dignified, because they are both capable of playing big role, and i think they both might have the notion that the web down in the mud first might lose, so they
might actually stay at an issue level more than you might expect. on the other hand, if hillary decides she wants to lug it out, i am confident that trump will be ready. wherethat we go back to we are as a country. defining issue in this campaign. is it about restoring trust in the government? is it about restoring the eighth of the american people? what is it about four donald trump or hillary clinton? mr. gingrich: whether it is jobs or security or your personal freedom, that you have a government which is out of control. that have failed you, and you have to dramatically change the system, and everybody thinks the current system is working -- i give you an example. in detroit, i think the number of students i think you cannot read is around 91%. in baltimore, the numbers of those who cannot pass the basic
reading and math is 87%. hillary is adamantly in favor of the teachers union, which is failing both of those 80's area she cannot get away. she has no answer for you want to talk about income inequality, what are you going to do for the 87% of people who cannot read or write? she cannot answer because she is owned by the teachers union. look at the veterans administration where we have a very smart guy who came out of procter & gamble, a very good die, who is now so surrounded the bureaucracy that he suggested that waiting in line to get into a va hospital was comparable to waiting in line at disney for a ride. you have to get to a point where we wonder what were the conversations like this took a very smart businessman, a west point graduate, a guy i admire, and get to a point where he is so lost a core reality.
it's a this same as taking your family to disney world, -- it is not the same as taking your family to disney world. being dishonest about the facts. the case of the the eighth. having the los angeles hospital aluminate 3000 appointments in order to say that the line was shorter, well, that is illegal. that is criminal behavior, and nothing is done. nothing happens. host: part of the problem is that democrats and republicans are not talking to each other. they are talking at each other. what do you do about that? gingrich: there is a wonderful, small book called the education of ronald reagan and about what he learned. reagan had a model. as he said it, he would turn up the life for the american people, and they would turn up the heat on congress.
and bva is a perfect example. thes absolutely criminal way we tolerate the bureaucracy at the veterans administration, and yet the union leaders are proud of the fact that they dominate the secretary and that they have defined what they can do. my favorite example is there was a woman in puerto rico who pled guilty to armed robbery and got reinstated in her job because the unions made her point that her two immediate superiors included a convicted sex offender and a guy who had been , so since theyug were, there were no grounds for too, and thater system needs to be picked up by the neck and shaken until it is changed. host: is there anything you wish you could've could have done as speaker that you did not?
gingrich: yes, for the republican party that would allow us to become a modernizing and continuously reforming party , and i could not figure out how to do it. host: your biggest success? mr. gingrich: the biggest success is winning control in a way that has lasted 20 years. that was pretty remarkable. host: at what point in the campaign did you know you are going to win? mr. gingrich: september 17. we were leaving to go on a trip, and we had the chief of staff, -- chief of staff, my mentor and advisor, and my political partner, and i said, ok, we're going to plan on the plane in between campaign stuff, and i said, all right. we were just leaving national. are we planning speaker, or are we planning minority leader? and they said, well you had better
be planning speaker, because you are going to be. said we arent he not point to step further until you explain that, and for the next hour or so, we started in maine, and we won every district from memory for the entire country, and he said we would pick up 52 seats and picked up 53. host: we will come back and talk about that, but this is your latest documentary. let's watch. ♪ [video clip] >> this way. >> jefferson and adams went to harvard. washington went to war, and war was his visible area >> it is very hard to see anybody like jefferson or adams or madison
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clip]ideo host: the film. why george washington? mr. gingrich: she had been doing ellis the elephant for four to eight-year-olds, teaching american history, and one morning, she went to set up the discussion of american history, jesse waters up, and he was asking about key figures, and he sees a lady and says who is george washington? ae looks at him blankly for second and says, i think he was a president. didn't he come right after lincoln? i saidwe were leaving, we have to do a film about washington. he is so central, and a generation of americans are so lacking in knowledge that we
have to find a way to bridge the gap. : in one sense, something you learned about george washington that you did not know. mr. gingrich: he wins the revolutionary war. he goes back home. he is the most famous man in america, and he decides for two weeks, he is going to go out west on you, and as an indian guide, he sends his guys off, and here is washington, riding along, and when he would see a settlor's cabin, he would not on the door and ask if he could spend the night. imagine. you are a settlor. nobody near you. you open your door, and it is george washington, who was physically huge at that time, saying, do you mind if i spend the night? that level of being comfortable and relaxed and that curiosity. : i know this is an
impossible question, but if he came back today and saw the system, would he be happy today? mr. gingrich: i think he would say it is time for trump or sanders. you look at the mess, the arrogance of our judges, the eric and of our bureaucrats, the corruption of our system, and he would say, clean it up. : how often do you talk to donald trump? newt gingrich: occasionally. i would not want to qualify it. he is a storyteller. energy level.ant i compared him to theodore roosevelt. constant energy. he is really good to have in a conversation. partly because we know each iser pretty well, and he known closely to me for i think a decade or more.
we actually belong to trump national out on the potomac river. so i feel like, you know, if there is something i want to get across to him, because he has been a very good business executives, if there are three or four things we have got to cover, he was switched things, and you can send him taking out the pen and going through thanks. if we chat with each other, we start with the things, we had a great rally, a great pull just came in. this thy has spent his whole life selling. he has made billions of dollars selling. with 365 days is a year, you had better go and sell something. host: how would you describe his white house? mr. gingrich: very lean, much smaller than the current white house. i do not think he believes in multiple layers.
pre-he doesrugal not spend much. if you look at his rallies -- look at the amount spent on these campaigns compared to the people he beat. i think you would say do not tell me about the bush and the obama white house is. if we can get by with the fewest possible people. : if he offered you the job, would you take it? to gingrich: we would have talk about what he meant by the job. my dad served 27 years in the infantry. when a potential president of the united states asks you to do something, and it is reasonable, it is pretty hard not to say no. host: if not you? mr. gingrich: john kasich from ohio is positioned well.
another would be very effective. another very attractive option. i think senator tim scott, who people have not talked about much, would be very popular. an african-american, conservative, has done very well. i think trump has a lot of choices. host: what does this campaign feel like to you? you laugh. mr. gingrich: i have two parts of me that approach this. sport,that politics is a and the other is this year, as a historian, and the two come together perfectly. this is the wildest, most unimaginable, most unpredictable year i can remember in modern history. going back to the election of 1824 and 1828 with jackson. anything like this.
host: so this election year yield light? it feels very wild and woolly. some of my friends say i have to forget everything i thought i knew about politics because clearly it is no longer correct. : so how does donald trump win the election? 270? mr.he get to gingrich: it is a pretty old-fashioned model, and he knows it. one strategy is that hillary will be more unlikable. there are basically three real choices. do not vote at all. vote for trump, or vote for clinton. has toof the strategies make sure that the voting for clinton is so unacceptable that trump becomes the obvious alternative. one of the strategies has to be to reach out like he did on the supreme court judges and offer people a vision of a presidency
a will like, and i think you will see more and more of that. you will begin to the the shape of a trump presidency that has really compelling and interesting positive things. host: you think he can win. gingrich: no doubt, he can win. first of all, he came out of nowhere and beat 16 good people. and then one by one, they disappeared. for a guy who came out of nowhere to win the nomination this decisively, give him a couple of months to think it through and planet and offer a country a plan to beat hillary, yes, i think he can. host: speaker newt gingrich, thank you for your time. mr. gingrich: as always. we continue with our c-span coverage, and, chris, we
turn to the democrats, and the choices that hillary clinton we movee to make once beyond tuesday, and senator elizabeth warren, the only female senator to endorse either hillary clinton or bernie sanders. >> yes, steve, put me on the skeptical cap. i do not think strategically and makes a ton of sense for hillary -- first and foremost, as you mentioned, the only female senator not to endorse former senator clinton, and i do not think their relationship is particularly warm. elizabeth warren has been critical of clinton for being late with equality and weight stagnation. sanders'sernie support has grown out of the elizabeth warren part of the party. if there was a gaping hole that
needed to be sewn up. is that possible? sure. bernie sanders is still in the race. it could and badly. but at least today, it was liberals like bernie sanders, and it is not like if it is not him, it is no one. it would be like a hail mary. the relationship or lack thereof between hillary clinton and elizabeth warren? i wish they would come in and explain it better to me, but it is not terribly warm. i think can tell that by some of the public comments. of the obama administration rolled their eyes at elizabeth warren for her work in blasting some obama administration closeness to wall street, timothy geithner, for exa,