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cnn said it was a race that has been dominated by hillary clinton. the washington post said money may be his biggest robert. what changed? changed,k what has many people have begun to understand how far removed reality much of the media is. reality much of the media is. david writes for the new york times. he is a moderate publican. he is -- moderate republican. he is not someone i really agree with all that much. but he said, i am a pundit. i have to conclude that i and the other pundits do not know much about what is going on in america. everything we said was wrong. and"the new york times," many of the other media establishments, to have to understand there far removed from the reality of where the american people are. to answer your question, it
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turns out the american people are not happy with economics in america. why should they be? they are working longer hours for low wages. 40 million people are in poverty. the american people are not happy about that or about corrupt campaign financing where a handful of billionaires and super pac's are in little -- are able to elect candidates or the broken criminal justice system. not happy about what we are doing on climate change or immigration reform or the fact that some in the fact that somebody people are having a hard time going to college and graduating deeply in debt. despite with the establishment thought in talking to each other, it turns out that life for ordinary americans today is hard. they are unhappy and they want real change. speed inprised by the which that response came but not
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the fact that we got that response. >> over the last 18 years, we have covered you 1200 times. as a mayor of burlington, a member of congress and is a presidential candidate. watch this. >> the average american today is very angry and disgusted with politics as usual. the job for those of us who are progressives is to articulate forcefully the issues within our community and our country. people say you cannot talk but those issues. you can talk about those issues. we have to redefine the nature of discussion. our position should be it is congress not talking about the issues and we have to do that. >> that's what i just told you three seconds ago. there is a bubble here -- the beltway bubble in which members
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of congress, the media and the establishment look at reality in a certain way. and if i can detour a little bit, we'll get back to your question. what has sat in me, it hasn't shocked me, but what has saddened me is the degree to which the corporate media -- i use that word very incisively. major media their own by large corporations. they are not folks coming down from the sky trying to get an independent or objective perspective. they work for large multinational corporations. the writers themselves are hard-working and smart and i cannot believe how much they produce but there is a belief here about what is a campaign about? the campaign is about personality and individual. talk but hillary clinton. bernie sanders. what about the american people? that's not part of what the
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american people is about. in the last week or 10 days of the campaign in california, i held four press conferences with really smart people at my side talking about health care and the crisis in health care. talking about fracking and the need to end fracking. talking about climate change and economics with robert reisch, the former clinton secretary of labor. do you know how much coverage that got? very little. that's not what they are interested in. who are you doing and you supporting question my that's not what the american people are into. what we do about the fact that a single mother cannot make it on $11 an hour. that's what the american people are at which is a different place from where the media is at looking at politics as a baseball game or soap opera.
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>> why over the last 30 years have middle-class family trunks -- shrunk question mark >> i think -- have middle-class families shrunk? >> i think your a number of reasons. havenk clearly, you minimum wage not keeping up with inflation. hournimum wage at $7.25 an or those people working at eight dollars or nine dollars an hour, and inflation they are earning a lot less than low-wage workers did in the past. i think it has to do with the disastrous trade policy which has enabled large multinational corporations have to shut down and moved to china and other low-wage countries. it has to do with the decline in the trade union movement. >> that we talk about trade. how'd you make it free and fair? x i'm not sure that you can.
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at fair trade. i start with the premise that if workers in this country had to compete with people in vietnam are people who are hard-working had a minimum wage or $.65 an hour, they can't do it. you cannot do that. if you compete against workers in china where there are no environmental regulations -- we say in this country you cannot throw your crap into the river, you cannot pollute the air, you can upload the water -- in china you can. country, companies are spending more on pollution control. is that fair competition? it is not. we do have to recognize that since 2001 we have lost him a 60,000 factories in this country. millions of good paying jobs, not all of it due to trade but a lot of it having to do with our trade policies. i was in indiana a few months ago and you had united
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technologies. very profitable lunch for multinational corporations moving to monterey and mexico and the amount of money involved wasn't even all that much. and you have to tell these guys, that is what public policy is about. you want us to lie about your products, you want to be beneficiaries of the american economy? we are not going to throw american workers out on the streets. i understand it is a complicated issue but trade policies have clearly cost our country millions of decent paying jobs. you have the trade union movement. the union movement was maybe the most significant force to make sure that workers had decent paying jobs, decent working conditions and decent benefits. up to their own workers, they split up for the whole.
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is the secret that the trade union movement has been batted by corporate america. it's very hard to form a union today and i have legislation that would make it much easier and let me be frank, if you go to wisconsin and you see the attacks from the governor, scott walker on education and trade unions, there is a war. in my view, there is a war against the working people of this country. people on top wanted all. they want to drive wages down. they don't want to raise the minimum wage. the want to abolish the concept. they wanted all, medicare and medicaid. our campaign is about saying, sorry, you will not get it all. >> are there companies in your mind that put america before profit? >> absolutely. there companies who have the ceo saying we had a great year, we will split the profits. themng a growing number of
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-- not many but a number and from aunt. where workers themselves are helping to make the decisions where they sit together and say it has been a tough year, what should we do? we can invest here and cut here. that is a direction, the idea of worker ownership of production, of companies. it would be a very significant step forward. involving people in their work in a way that is the case right now. as we speak right now, there are people watching this program saying, oh, i have to go to work today. it is awful but i have to go. i need the money and i need health care. they are part of the machine. the do not enjoy it. i think we can fix that. >> under the thing is on your website free college education for public universities and changing the financial aid
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program for government. on freeclinton said college it is not practical. >> i think it is, absolutely. i think it is not only practical but it is imperative. we are living in a highly competitive global economy. what you're seeing in germany and scandinavia and other countries is they are smart enough to say what to tap all of the intellectual capabilities of our young people. it is insane in my mind that we have hundreds of thousands of right young people who could be teachers, doctors, scientists or engineers and cannot afford to go to college. something,e tell you we made the world aware of this. you have millions of people in this country who are carrying incredibly onerous levels of student debt. in my own city when i began this
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campaign i talk to a young woman who wanted to become a doctor. $300,000 in debt. in iowa a dentist in $400,000 in debt. we need dentists and primary care physicians. the stories repeat themselves every day. a young kid in iowa who dropped of college after two years and a $60,000 and that. and 55 yearsvada of age has more student debt today than he did 25 years ago when he took the lungs out. he's worried his social security benefits will be garnered. this is not within the realm of rationality. people of encouraging come what is our goal? we want everybody to get the best education that they could or can for human reasons because that is what being human is about. also for economic reasons. how important is it that in the
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year 2016 him a when you talk of -- 2016,, first grade through 12th grade is not good enough anymore. we have to expand that the public colleges and universities. >> who are the 1%? >> is not only the 1%. you have the 1/10 of 1%. the folks who are gaining in terms of wealth and income. these are people on wall street. these are people who sit at the head of hedge funds and other large wall street institutions. large multinational corporations. they own an enormous amount of stock in this country. i went to the vatican couple months ago. i was invited to speak at a conference on creating a moral economy.
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the pope frances is exactly right. that is with the struggle is about. can we create an economy where we produce well and where it is distributed in a way that is more fair and equitable than is currently the case? as a nation, we have to deal with reality. we have 47 million people living in poverty. i was at the pine ridge native american indian reservation in south dakota. expectancy in that reservation is the equivalent of guatemala. in inner cities in this country with life expectancy very low. not to the many out on the street because many are in jail. people do not know this and the media does an atrocious job of reporting this.
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you talk about the 1% -- the reason i talk about that is, are we satisfied living in a country where the top 0.1% now owns about as much wealth as the bottom 90%. the 20 wealthiest individuals have more income than the bottom 150 million. it is a disgrace. in no way is that a moral economy. it has to be transformed and we have now -- the irony now is that we have the technology. we have the brainpower to create an economy that works well for all people. nothing everyone should earn the same income. you could do away with poverty or guarantee health care to all people. this is not that hard. >> was there a turning point for you, a moment when you thought, we can win this thing? >> it's funny, i have been asked
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that question a lot. what he said to you moment ago is, i thought the ideas that we had would resonate with the american people. i've been in congress for 25 years. and myive from vermont years in the senate. in vermont, where i am pretty popular, these ideas resonated. there's no reason why they would not resonate around the rest of the country if i had a chance to talk about them. i remember one time we were in minnesota, early on. i think it was before i even declared my candidacy and we were driving to the location where we could give a speech. i saw a long line of people and i said to the guy next to me, i wonder what is going on. it turns out those were 7000
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people coming to an event in minneapolis. that was before i was even a candidate. >> we have some pictures from portland, seattle and los angeles with 20,000-30,000 people in attendance in the fall. look at the pictures. sanders: that is a lot of people. >> did the crowds energized you? >> yes. -- that of those people is exactly the right point. i get energy from people. it's not only the quantity, the numbers of people. it meetings with 28,000 people, 5000, 10 thousand -- such as the number, but looking into the who really want to see this country do much better than we are.
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love this country and are prepared to fight for this country or are prepared to take on the big money interests and create a different type of america. that energy flowed right into me and i was able to do three to four events per day talking to many thousands of people. i want to take this opportunity. i don't know if this is a record, obama's campaign was a brilliant campaign but we ended to 1.5ing to close million people just an hour rallies. 1.5 million people came out for our rallies and a want to thank, not only those people but the many hundreds of thousands of those people who knocked on doors and volunteered in every way. play one at that got a lot of attention before the new hampshire primary. will just show a portion.
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>> what did you learn about america in this campaign? >> every time i see that ad, it gives me tingles. sometimes it almost brings tears to my eyes. it is a beautiful ad. i think them for putting it together. about is theis potential of america.
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i will tell you what i learned and people will say this is a politician, but i learned that there are beautiful people all over this country. i am kind of a small-town guy. i love my state of vermont very much and throughout my career i never stay in washington, d.c.. ine held more meetings vermont than any public official in the history of vermont. country, around this you see the opportunity to go to places. we end up going to 46 states, seeing people i really had not met very often. we put together a great latino crew. this is not a major issue in the state of vermont. this is not an issue i am all that familiar with, learning about immigration and talking to young kids. if you ask me, what do you
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remember? there are images in my mind of things. i was in phoenix, arizona and after i spoke, half a dozen young latino kids, girls, teenagers with tears coming down there cheeks and fear of their parents being deported. aboutto learn a lot immigration reform and criminal justice reform. in african-american communities. what happens to families when male father figure is in jail. i learned a lot about inner cities and what goes on. police relationships in vermont are very different than what goes on around the country. people are being put allies and they're fearful. -- i was inw california a few weeks ago. i went to flint michigan, can you imagine talking to a mother
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whose child has had cognitive damage because their beautiful child who was very gregarious and smart is now in special occasion because of the water that you drank question mark my wife had to leave the room. she was in tears. we went to birmingham, alabama. or is a second jim crow appearing based on economics now. you go to california -- i didn't know this. there are thousands of homes in california where you turn on the drinking water and cannot for the water. i knew about flint and communities all over the country -- i didn't know. there are thousands of homes we cannot drink the water in the united states because of testified -- pesticides. i didn't know what was going on in the work as teachers and education. i had read about it but the severity of that war -- i was
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not really familiar with that so going into latino communities and african-american communities and native american communities -- while. -- wow. beautiful people, so warm who have given our culture so much and are giving a lot back in return. >> the passion you have fun all of these issues, will it be collect -- corrected? >> as we speak we are working on that right now. i think it is fair to say that the democratic platform will, by far, be the most progressive platform in the history of the democratic party. in terms of economics, in terms of climate change, in terms of criminal justice, immigration reform, higher education. and in many other areas, i think
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it will be a very progressive platform. >> have you begun to prepare your speech for the convention? will you speak at the convention? >> it doesn't appear i will be the nominee so i will not be determining the scope of the convention. the couple weeks ago, i had a meeting with secretary clinton. >> how did that go? sen. sanders:. it was very good. i have known her for 25 years. we served in the senate together. where we are right now, which is what we're trying to do is to create the most progressive platform that we possibly can reflecting the needs of working families and students in the environment, health care and so forth and second of all we're tried to
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in the state of new york 3 million people in the state of new york were unable to vote for either democratic or republican candidates the kiss you had to be a member of a party and you had to make that determination about six months before the election. make sure that they retain control of their parties. there was nothing covert about that. we ran into that problem all over the country. we want to open up the primaries in this country. we want to transform the democratic party in the sense that the superdelegates situation today is very undemocratic. had they clinton support of 400 superdelegates before she even announced, before anybody had announced, before the first ballot was cast in iowa.
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that was simply the establishment coming around the candidate. i don't think that is democratic and i think we have to change the role of superdelegates in a very profound way. senatorsovernors and should be there. votes ofld reflect the the people in their state. we have one states with 70 or 80% of the vote. we're superdelegates were going to vote for my opponent. is this was ae very difficult decision for the establishment of the democratic party to have to deal with. do they open the door to millions of people who would like to participate in the political process or do they say sorry this is our party and you're not welcome? .ou can vote for us
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we hope you come out to vote. but if you think you are going to be actively involved you got another gas coming. that to be one of your lasting legacies in this campaign? bernie sanders: yes. revitalizing democracy. it is a sad state of affairs. the republican party has become a right-wing extremist party. the action is going to be within the democratic party or perhaps a third party. we have to open up the democratic party to millions of people who want to help shape it. >> see her position on superdelegates is don't eliminate them to change the process? if you are as: superdelegate right now, i won new hampshire by 25 percentage points. vote.s. superdelegate can anyway you want to vote.
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you can reject what the overwhelming majority of people in your state. to voteuld be obliged for the percentage that their state cast. donald trump said to all of those bernie sanders voters who left out of the cold by a rigged system we welcome you with open arms. bernie sanders: i suspect he will not get too many of those people. the vast majority of the people who voted for me understand that donald trump in a dozen different ways is literally unfit to be president of the united states. it is not only his views on the issues. wanting to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top two thirds of the 1%. debate hepublican wages being too high. imagine that.
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but mostly his making a country the cornerstone of his campaign. bigotry the cornerstone of his campaign. think about what this country has had to go through since its inception. we had slavery and discrimination. what we did to the native american people. the prejudice against the irish, the italians, the jews. we have made real progress. if you like barack obama or you don't like him it says something about the country that we managed to overcome racism and to overcome racism and intellect and african-american president. proud of that.e the role of women in american life. we have overcome. inve gone a long way fighting racism and sexism and homophobia. and now to have a candidate for the president of the united states to be insulting mexicans and muslims and women and veterans and african-americans.
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he was one of the leaders of the so-called birther movement. he was trying to undermine the legitimacy of the president. i will do anything i can to prevent him from becoming president. >> he calls you crazy bernie. sanders: i would call him unfit to be president of the united states. is that he ise running a campaign. tweet campaign. the middle class is disappearing. we have massive levels of income inequality. the scientists tell us that climate change is a great threat to the planet. he doesn't have positions on these. he sends out tweets that insult
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other people, and i am one of many of them. the media can deal with that. he doesn't talk about the real issues facing this country. to the degree that he does, he is on the wrong side of history. >> will you endorse hillary annton and is there agreement that you need to endorse or before you get a speaking slot? sanders: i have given a few speeches in my life. it would be nice to speak at the democratic national convention. speak, don't want me to i can go elsewhere. i expect that i will speak. where we are right now is no secret. we are negotiating almost on a daily basis with the clinton
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isple and what we want to do see secretary clinton stakeout the most progressive positions that she can on campaign-finance education,lth care, the economy and the minimum wage. we have had real differences of opinion. , i willitics is about do anything that i can to defeat donald trump and make sure he is not elected president, and to get as many people as we can involved in the political process. i gave a speech a week or two ago. we get 6000 responses. we are negotiating with secretary clinton. negotiations go two ways.
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lesson like to have her to what millions of people in this country who supported me want to see happen. we'll see how that evolves. abou to you about the vice presidency? bernie sanders: no. she should select the most progressive candidate that she can find. i think the american people want , it would be a terrible mistake for her to go to a candidate who has roots from wall street or has been backed by wall street. i think the american people want to see a government that is prepared to take on wall street. take on the drug companies. take on the fossil fuel industry. take on the whole corporate establishment. she should look to a candidate that has that background. do you think that senator
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bernie could work with a president hillary clinton? sanders: it depends on issue by issue. sheampaign-finance reform has stated that we have to overturn this disastrous citizens united supreme court decision. i will do everything i can. that decision has undermined american democracy. we can work on that issue. health care we have serious disagreements. i don't want to rattle them all off. if she is prepared to take on big money interests, that's good. >> have you moved her to the left? there are ars: number of issues where the punditry will say that has occurred. when she started she thought that the transpacific standard.p was a gold
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she moved it to opposition to it. she doeslly opposes it not want to see that they'll get to the floor of the congress in my lame-duck session that's view. we have to rethink in a very fundamental way our trade policies. she has come out and said she is opposed to that deal. in terms of the keystone pipeline, she was not there. she has changed her views on that. she came out against the keystone pipeline. the president came out against it. we hope to keep opposition to that pipeline and other pipelines allies because we have to transform our energy system in terms of the minimum wage she has not gone to where i want. i want a national minimum wage of 15 bucks an hour. her position is 12 bucks an hour.
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in some areas she has moved in our direction. >> what you think of hillary clinton? sanders: i have known her for 25 years. where ised a photograph .sed to ride air force one she spoke at dartmouth university. not far from it. i hitched a ride and we went to that. what blew me away is that she got up there and that health care system that she helped put together. it was enormously complicated. it was very complicated and that was one of its downfalls. for an hour she just rattled the whole thing off. without a piece of paper in front of her. it kind of blew me away. we are doing with a person who is very intelligent, has a real command of the issues.
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when you see her next to donald trump in terms of the discussion people may disagree with her. to deny that her command of public policy and analysis is in the different worlds for more donald trump is. she's very intelligent. her wayd to fight through a lot of sexism and unfair attacks over the years. there are areas where we had some disagreements. she is more or less an establishment democrat. we have to move beyond that. i get yourone moment reaction to in a cnn debate. want to sayrs: i something that may not be great politics. but i think the secretary is right. that is that the american people
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are sick and tired of hearing about your dam e-mails. clinton: they do. sanders: it was the right thing to do. i have never run a negative ad. compared to what normally goes on. let me repeat what i said the beginning. , is this campaign was about about is the real issues. it is very hard to get real issues that people are interested in. life of itshad a own. it will do what it will do. i don't know what the outcome of that is. when i wanted to do is to focus on the real issues.
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why has the american middle class declined. is it moral acceptable the we inequality? income what we have the highest rate of child poverty on earth. we are the only major country not to guarantee health care to all people is a right. i did an interview with a major national newspaper. i said i want to talk about the issues. we talked for about an hour. at the end of that he said, hillary clinton. the american people are tired of that. attacks.tired of the
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what are you going to do about the fact that my kid doesn't have a decent job? or i am working three jobs and i can't make enough money? i can send my kid to college. what are you going to do about the fact that we are in danger of seeing major degradation of this planet because we are not taking on the fossil fuel industry? we have 2.2 million people in jail. the media does want to hear about that. i have no regrets about that statement. at the end of the day we have done very well. we're going into philadelphia with 1900 delegates. we won 22 states. we lost three or four by a tiny majority. i'm very proud of this. byalmost every state we won
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overwhelming votes the young people in this country. secretary clinton did very well. we got killed with the older people. younger people we won overwhelmingly. they share our vision of a different type of america. we read a strong and good campaign. we made mistakes but that was not one of them. congress has done nothing about guns. all for gun control amendments went down to defeat. was that tell you about washington question mark bernie the democrats have been passg for many years to some same form of gun regulation. i have been there with them.
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in 1988n election running for congress because i supported a ban on the sale and distribution of assault weapons. the kind of weapon that was used in orlando. comprehensiony the republicans are voting against legislation to prevent people who cannot fly on a plane because we think they may do something terrible to go in and buy a gun. this is crazy. it speaks to the power of the nra. steve: will you seek another term in the senate? bernie sanders: it is too early to talk about that. we have never-ending campaigns. i love being a senator from the great state of vermont. it has been a great joy for me. if the people want me to serve, i will continue.
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we have an election in front of them. steve: would you switch to the democrats? sanders: i'm doing my best at the democratic convention to develop the most progressive platform that i can. steve: if the democrats do have the majority and you have the possibility of sharing a committee? sanders: health education and welfare. patty murray is the ranking member. i don't know what the dynamics are. health education labor and pension is one of the most important committees in the senate. the democrats on the committee are pretty progressive. it deals with the issues that i've been involved with my life.
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although those issues -- all of those issues are enormously important. where can there be agreement on fixing the affordable care act? sanders: i start off of the assumption that we had a failed system. i live 50 miles away from canada. it is assumed in europe that health care is a right for all people. people do not accept the fact that you are low-wage workers are you don't get any health care. the formal care act has made significant progress. provided health insurance for
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many millions of americans. had sure -- young people things. 28 million still have zero health insurance. even more significant, a lot of people do have health insurance but they have poor health care plans that are really catastrophic. you can't afford to go to the doctor because you have a high deductible. the pharmaceutical industry is acting in an outrageous immoral way. people are dying in this country because they can afford the prescription drugs they need. those company made $50 billion last year and profit. per capita we spend more than any other country on us. we spent three times what the british land. this crazy dysfunctional system has to change.
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private profit in the health care system should not be allowed. all and improving it in a cost-effective way that is the way i want to go. a majority of democrats hold that view. power ofaling with the the drug companies who have enormous clout on capitol hill. it can change. that gets back to the point i was discussing a moment ago. nothing is going to change in my view of significance unless the american people stand up by the tens of millions and fight back. steve: that's what you said he year ago. you praise to the president but said the one thing he should have done that he did not do, he never mobilized his supporters.
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bernie sanders: if you just play and inside the beltway game and we need 60 votes for everything that is the world we live in. that's one way of looking at it. you rally millions and millions of people and say we know what imposing a tax on wall street speculation. you are against that we are not going to forget that. we know something else is running for office. we revitalize american democracy.
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the republicans and everybody else will start listening to the american people and not wall street and the clinical action committees. steve: the rest of the world views america has watch? with donaldrs: trump out their is an extremely scary place. to have donald trump going war against one of the great religions of the world. people are saying much going on. donald talks about the expansion of nuclear weapons. this guy wants to expand nuclear weapons. the world's big place in different perspectives come from different parts of the world. obviously there's been a lot of concern about the middle east.
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states thinks that has the right to impose regime change on countries without really thinking through what happens the day after. you get rid of the terrible dictator. whether it is saddam hussein or qaddafi. that's not that hard to do. think about what happens the day after or the years after. instability that takes place in the chaos that takes place. the people that are dying in the civil wars. steve: what you think there is so much hatred in certain sectors of this world? why do they hate us? bernie sanders: i don't other reason. -- i don't know the reason. clinging open society to an ideology and religious of thousand years old that
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treats women as not second-class citizens or even fourth class citizens in eagleville believe andgirls should get the nex education. a weird sexual approach that i don't really understand. a lot of reasons why. on is in many of these countries the poverty rate in the unemployment rate are off the charts. young men are desperate and angry. the terrorists say join us, we are going to take on the most powerful country honors.
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we have to help those countries move toward a more democratic society. where people can play a role politically and economically. steve: i know you oppose the war in iraq. how damaging has that been to sanders: bush's decision was a disaster. i am the former chairman of the senate veterans committee. i had the chance to talk to the wives and mothers and the wonderful young people lost their lives in a more. the chaos that is taking place. the divisions it has brought forth in our own country. that war was one of the most significant foreign policy blunders of recent history.
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we will pay a price for that for a very long time. steve: feel the burn. where did that come from? bernie sanders: it did not come from the campaign. one enjoys the campaign is to pick up a newspaper and read about things that are happening that we had nothing to do with. it'll be nice to take credit for that. i think it came from some people in burlington actually. onve: we saw your wife jane the campaign trail. what was it like for her? bernie sanders: she always amazes me. she worked very closely with me when she was the mayor -- when i was the mayor of burlington. also when i served in the house. she was all over the place. she went to alaska and hawaii. states that we won by overwhelming majorities. maybe we should have sent her
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all over the place and kept me home. she enjoys being out there. steve: was the one defining moment for you, one person you that you will forever remember from this last year ?it sanders: it is not just one. it is being overwhelmed by the size of the crowd's enthusiasm of people. being in iowa and doing a town upting and this woman gets and says what is it like to live on $11,000 a year. i encouraged her to speak up. people having the courage to say
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that i am hurting. i'm in pain and i want you to know about it. that's not an easy thing for people to do in front of a tv camera. some of the courage that we saw. in so many ways. yet african-americans who had nothing to gain by supporting me but i thought it was the right thing to do caps on what was best for their constituents. it's a great political courage. so much happened in the campaign. i can't condense it into five seconds. regrets? bernie sanders: we made mistakes. the regret is that we should have been smarter.
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we were right about so many things. jeff weaver my campaign manager did a great job. our staff did a phenomenal job. by talking about where the media thought we would be. we won 22 states. when things are moving that we made mistakes. but overall, i'm very proud of the campaign that the volunteers, that our staff put together i thought was extraordinary. >> but you went into this campaign thinking you could win the nomination. >> i did but i was one of the few people in the world that believed that because i thought we had a message that could resonate, the speed at which it resonated surprised me. let's be clear what we were doing. i wanted to make this point. it's not that we were taking on the clinton organization which
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is probably the most powerful political organization which won two presidencies and ran a strong race in 2008. we went to south carolina -- you know how many people we knew in south carolina? zero. in every state we had to take on the democratic governors, members of the house with one exception. we have to take on tall democratic senators. we had to take on in every state the entire democratic establishment. and we won a lot of the times. that's a real uphill struggle. so, you know, to answer your question, i think we ran a really, really good campaign in retrospect. we made mistakes. but overall i think we went a lot further than anybody thought we would. steve: but you can work with these democrat who is supported hillary clinton?
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bernie sanders: of course. most of the democrats that supported hillary clinton. we support whatever we wan. it's called democracy. most of them were very respectful of me. they said we voted for hillary clinton for a, b, and c. they had good things to say to me. some did not. but that's what you want. yes, of course, i could work with them. >> i'm going to conclude with a corporate media clip if you could for just a moment. this is one of the many moments with larry david on snl. let's watch. >> don't you work too late now. >> i won't mrs. clinton. i'm actually closing up the bar right now. so even has got to go. that means you too, sir. >> no freaking way! i'm not going anywhere! i can stay here as long as i want.
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>> i'm sorry, but the night is over. >> no, no, it's not over. it's not over until i say it's over! >> oh, hello, bernie. i didn't see you sitting so far behind me you could never catch up. >> you saw me. you even see me in your sleep, baby. [laughter] bernie sanders: you know, i haven't seen that. that's very good. one of the fun things was being on "saturday night live." let me tell you something, it has an impact. gave if i h that i used the word huge, it has a reaction. steve: did larry sanders nail it? >> he is very good, my gosh. he could be my clone there. but didn't quite work out. but yes, he does nail me. >> senator bernie
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announcer: c-span, created by american cable companies and paid for by your cable or satellite provider. >> i am pleased that the senate is a body has come to this conclusion. the senate's undoubtedly provide citizens with greater access and exposure to the access of the body. this will help americans be better informed of the problems and issues which face this nation on a day-by-day basis. >> i had the occasion of meeting a woman who had supported me in my campaign. she decided to come and shake my hand in take a photograph. a wonderful woman. she was not asking for anything.
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i was grateful she took the time to come by. it was unacceptable except for the fact she was born in 1894 and her name was marguerite lewis, an american -- african-american woman born in louisiana in the shadow of slavery. lynchingstime when were commonplace. worn at a time when african americans and women could not .ote >> took our country from the time of its founding until the mid-1980's to build up a national debt of $850 million which was the size of the so-called stimulus package when it came over here. we are talking about real, borrowed money. 30 years of the u.s. senate on c-span2. u.s. presidential candidate
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