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we will also take your calls. you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter ♪ host: good morning and welcome to "washington journal." with coronavirus cases and deaths rising public health officials are taking the lead in keeping americans informed. continues some officials are clashing with the elected politicians and the goals of reopening the economy. evolves,ch on covid-19 so has the advice from public health officials when it comes to keeping americans safe. our question this morning -- do you have confidence in our public health officials whether
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federal, state, or local? we are opening up regional lines. if you are in the eastern or central time zones, we want you to call (202-748-8000). if you are in the mountain or pacific time zones, your line is (202-748-8001). medical professionals, you are on the front lines. what are you seeing when it comes to confidence of what people think about what you are saying? your number is (202-748-8002). you can always text us at (202-748-8003) and we are always c-spanwja social media @ and facebook. on friday, public health officials were in front of congress talking about the
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coronavirus and answering questions from elected officials. "washington post" was there and wrote a little bit of what happened. "the failure of the united friday as on display top administration health officials, appearing before a panel, acknowledged testing delays and a hodgepodge of state policy that protected no more than half the country. with restrictions aimed at stopping more infections, testimony on the coronavirus intos, which is looking the administration's response, was highly partisan. democrats tore into it saying there is no national strategy. with 4.5 million americans infected by the novel
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dead, arus and 150,000 toll that grows every day, tempers flared as they found themselves in the middle of heated debate over a controversial drug, the wisdom of reopening schools, and ways to prevent the virus racing through the country." at the hearing was dr. fauci and representative jamie raskin asked dr. fauci about this information. here is the exchange. [video clip] >> public health officials have been subject to harassment and ridicule and subjected to ludicrous contradiction. i want to go through the propaganda just as a public service announcement because america is watching. dr. fauci, why don't i start with you? are children almost immune to
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the disease? yes or no. be a little bit more -- almost immune? do children get infected? yes. of thousandseds infected? no. is coronavirus going to magically disappear? >> i do not believe so since it is highly transmissible. >> does wearing a mask give people covid-19? >> does wearing -- no. >> is covid-19 a hoax? >>n no. >> should people take hydroxychloroquine as a cure for covid-19? >> the overwhelming evidence of properly controlled trials indicate no therapeutic
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efficacy. >> can people cure themselves of covid-19 by injecting themselves with disinfectant? >> no. diseaseou safe from the if you go through one of the large assemblies, crowds, demonstrations, without a mask on and the observing social distancing if you sign a waiver you will not sue the sponsor of the event? >> i am not sure those are connected, but i will repeat being in a crowd without a mask is a risk for acquisition and transmission. >> signing a waiver does not confer immunity from being infected. >> of course not. host: the new york times in june did a poll with siena college asking americans the question of, who do you trust when it comes to accurate information about the coronavirus?
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here is what the poll revealed. large majorities trust medical scientists and the centers for disease control and prevention, although democrats are more trusting. they are similar to those found in surveys earlier in the pandemic and in the years before suggesting that the politicalization of the coronavirus has not diminished science. 84% of voters said they trusted medical scientists to provide reliable information with 90% of democrats and 75% of republicans trusting experts. overall trust in the cdc was 77%. 71% of republicans and 83% democrats. we want to know what you think. who are you trusting when it comes to information about the coronavirus?
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you trust federal medical officials? do you trust state medical officials? do you trust your own doctor or medical officials? we want to know what you think and by the way, medical professionals, tell us what you are hearing. askedent trump was earlier this week about his relationship with the dr. fauci at the white house. here is what he said. [video clip] >> i have a very good relationship with dr. fauci. we have listened to dr. fauci. i have not always agree with them and that is ok. -- putnot want us to ban ban china. me i saved tens of thousands of lives, but i did the ban on europe. i agree with a lot of what he
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said so, it is interesting. he has a very good approval rating and i like that. is working for this administration. he is working with us. we could have gotten other people. we could have gotten somebody else, it did not have to be dr. fauci. he is working for the administration and we have done what he and others recommended. he has this high approval rating. why do i not have a high approval rating -- and administration -- with respect to the virus? what we have done -- i was reading off about the masks and ventilators and numbers nobody has seen in the testing and 55 million tests. we tested more than anybody in the world. i have a graph i would love to show you. world is a tiny fraction of what we have done in
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terms of testing. a man works for us, with us very closely -- after burke's also birx also highly thought of -- and it can only be my personality. host: let us go to the phone line and see about your level of confidence. renstart with the war calling from brandon, florida. caller: this is what i think. in theome confidence health organizations, cdc, i had some. it seems to me they are becoming political. host: who are you listening to now to get your information? who do you have trust to provide you accurate information about the ongoing pandemic?
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caller: basically local folks. the government and this president have been abysmal failures. no leadership whatsoever and here is my take -- if they want kids to go back to school, send their kids to go to school. mansawe go to and you're in the medical industry. caller: no. i am in support of the medical industry. you have this video -- you had that had a press conference on the steps of the
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supreme court a few weeks ago and these doctors should be celebrated as heroes because they are treating people who have the coronavirus on a daily basis and they are curing them. but as soon as they said how they were doing, they were attacked. they put the video on youtube and the internet and within one hour it got 20 million hits. then, all of a sudden, it was taken down not only from youtube, facebook, twitter, google, everybody took it off air. the doctors are going through details about how they are treating people with coronavirus ensuring it. this should be celebrated.
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host: i believe the doctors you are talking about that was held many of them have been discredited by the rest of the medical profession. who do decide to listen to? those doctors or others who say they are wrong? caller: that is the problem. you have disinformation agents out here as well as satanic psychopaths that are pushing a secret agenda and using their influence, to push an agenda by keeping this information hidden. host: you are saying you think there is a cure out therefore the coronavirus and they are keeping it hidden from the american people? caller: that is not what i think. let me say this as low as i can. -- they have
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treated the coronavirus and cured it. it is not hearsay. these are facts backed by evidence and proof. from we go to tom calling birmingham, michigan. good morning. caller: good morning. i am a physician and i am going to try and keep this simple and apolitical as much as i can. a significant fraction of any person's risk, and so many in america have risk whether it is hypertension, diabetes, high cholesterol, excess weight, all of these are risk factors for developing severe covid-19. under our control, largely through physical activity and
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discontinuing smoking, the lack of coverage of this even in the staging of opening businesses throughout the united states has been rather sad in terms of restaurants opening before safely run exercise facilities including rehabilitation. we have over 2000 deaths per day that continue from heart attack and stroke taking out 800,000 people a year and our physical activity levels have dropped several percentage points which increase the risk for heart attack and stroke. the opening of restaurants and bars, which is quite appropriate as far as restaurants go if they -- i do not run agree with opening bars.
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gyms that are well-run with hygiene, spacing, etc., we have a great trial from norway which resulted in all of them opening up should be closed and that is not correct. as a patriotico, duty, think about our lifestyles, what we eat, physical activity level. we can contribute not only to reducing the risk for severe covid-19, but decrease the risk of the biggest killers in the united states which are cardiovascular disease and cancer which are lifestyle related. host: you said earlier you are a doctor. when you give people advice based on your medical expertise are you finding people doubting you and saying they would rather
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figure out for themselves rather than listen to your medical expertise? caller: not to a great degree, but there is such a wide span going on in the u.s. whether it is masks or otherwise. there is no way one civil person is going to satisfy everyone. based are going to ask me on my internal medicine training and training in metabolic health which i recommend people listen katz from yale through his recent starting of a "katz covidnel on reality check" is putting out some great information. synthesis oft
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understanding on epidemiology and lifestyle. trust,e is one person i dr. david katz is excellent as ulsterholm. ulste calling fromo rose new jersey. caller: i trust the studies that came out about hydroxychloroquine and the study dr. fauci noted the other day as being proof it did not work was a fraudulent study. it was not tested in combination whichrythromycin and zinc are necessary for treatment. in france, they had a study of over 1000 people and had almost
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a 100% success rate. she saidf that found remdesiviri said which cost over $1000 per treatment. this works at the beginning of the disease and could nip it in the bud. i would like to have an honest study done properly and have the american people decide. vetted the people in france and said they have a great reputation. this is a big scandal and we could have this nipped in the bud if we just did a proper test. ta callingd go to ani from san jose, california. good morning. caller: good morning. in terms of who i trust, i would say it is local officials. our public health officials were
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the first to call for aelter-in-place and felt like ballsy move and gives me confidence they are taking care of us. they put up a website with the dashboard and you can check out daily cases and deaths and what is going on in the county. up,opening up, the closing i feel like we have been taking care of and i can trust them as we can go higher. host: let us go to sean calling from gilbert, arizona. are you in the medical industry? caller: i am a registered nurse. host: are you seeing people doubting the expertise of the people who are actually doing the care in the hospitals of people who are suffering from covid-19? caller: no.
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i do see people doubting dr. fauci who has been pretty much wrong about everything and this has become way too politicized. host: how do we get politics out? how do we remove it from the arena and get it back into the medical arena and scientific arena where we are listening to the people who are actually doing the studies of this pandemic? caller: that is a good question, but it boils down to credibility. if you choose to read papers like the new york times and washington post, they are not credible. if you have studies that are politicized, they are not going to be credible. you need to find credible sources that are unbiased and going to give you the correct information. host: as a medical professional what sources do you trust to get accurate medical information about the pandemic? caller: i think there are a lot of good sources. you just have to be unbiased enough to check them out.
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things like hide you hydroxychloroquine seems to be quite politicized. it works quite well and i have patients i have given it to, via a doctor ordering it, does well when you give it to the patient in the early stages. to charis calling from west palm beach, florida. caller: thank you for having me. i am really concerned as far as what we are seeing. it seems like we are going crazy and the united states is looking stupid around the world. these medical professionals are making certain allegations or
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-- not even from a study. use are saying we should hydroxychloroquine. let them show the benefits of using the drug and let it go under peer-reviewed then we can make a decision. as far as i know that has already been done and people continue to support and make claims that cannot substantiate it. i think it is a lack of leadership and i really do not understand why everything in the united states of america becomes political. we need to recognize we are in a democracy and it is healthy to have differing opinions and that is what makes us a great country. important we also
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understand dr. fauci and many -- this virusals new, and theis recommendations are going to change. when people turn around and say, well, dr. fauci has been wrong or medical officials have been wrong, it just shows the level naivety.eve host: i also want to check the weather where you are because a major hurricane is turning toward florida. are you in a safe place? caller: yes, i am. up.sun just came it is pretty calm and nothing to worry about at this point. it looks ok. host: make sure you stay safe
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because we know that major hurricane is heading up the east coast. we want to make sure our callers and viewers in florida are doing what they can to stay safe. let us go to audrey calling from mason, georgia. good morning. caller: good morning, jesse. how are you? host: just fine. go ahead. caller: i am listening to the doctors. babies and we grow which means everything is evolving all the time. hearing sending the children back to school. i am in my mid-70's. my children and grandchildren are all out of school, but i have young boys i adopted and they are juniors this year. they are saying if you can go to walmart, these different places, the kids can go to school. the thing about that is i go to
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i gett, i go to lowe's, what i get and i get out. children are sitting in a crowded classroom all day, everybody is breathing everybody's air, they cannot even go to the bathroom when they need to go and then they do not know who has been in before them. children with this virus and died. stop listening to donald trump. he is dumber than a roach. host: on friday, federal health officials came before congress to talk about their advice and coronavirus and what has happened so far when it comes to the pandemic. talkedntative jim jordan with dr. fauci and they got into an exchange about public health officials' guidance when it comes to businesses versus the
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protests. [video clip] appoint whogoing to gets arrested and who does not. do you get where i am going? as a public health official eisai crowds -- >> do you see the inconsistency echo >> there is no inconsistency. >> you are allowed to protest millions of people on one day, yelling, screaming, but you run your business you get arrested? you do not see inconsistency? >> i do not understand what you are asking me to appoint on who should get arrested or not. that is not my position. >> you advocated for certain businesses to be shut down. i am asking you on your position on the protest. we heard a lot about hair salons -- i have not seen one hairstylist who goes out and attacks police or set something on fire.
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we see that during protests and they increase the spread of the virus. you said that. >> i said crowds. i did not say protesting. >> they do not increase the spread? >> you're putting words in my mouth. >> i just want an answer to the question. do they increase the spread of the virus? >> i have no scientific evidence -- crowds are known, when you do not have a mask, to increase the acquisition and transmission. >> you do not have a position on whether the protests increase the spread of the virus? >> i am saying crowds. wherever the crowds are can give you an increased probability there is going to be acquisition and transmission. >> do you understand the american concern? protesting, according to democrats is fine, but you cannot go to school, work, church. there are limits placed on those
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activities, but protesting is fine. time hasntleman's expired. host: let us see what social media followers think about their confidence when it comes to public health officials and the pandemic. here is a post from facebook saying, little to none. too much conflict and information that changes on a daily basis. this issue has been so politicized i have no confidence in politicians or health officials. i will rely on the council of my primary care physician. here is a text that says, "first question you should ask is who stands to make money from the information? be skeptical and keep asking that question when information is constantly broadcast by the media." verify. text says, "
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we are seeing the scientific method in action and it is not clean and neat, but uncertain and messy as they struggle to discover the impact and vaccine for covid-19. they are knowledgeable, but not omniscient." here is a tweet that says, "i do not believe much of what the government tells me." one last tweet says, " politicians should never give medical advice. they should listen to and communicate, not politicize it." we want to know your level of confidence in the advice we are being given by public health officials whether on the federal, state, or local level. medical professionals, we want to know what you are seeing. what are you advising people? what is the reaction you're getting from people you are
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giving advice to? we are opening up regional lines which means if you are in the eastern and central time zones, we want to hear from you at (202-748-8000). if you are in the mountain and pacific zones, we want to hear from you at (202-748-8001). medical professionals, you have a specific line for you this morning and that number is (202-748-8002). let us go back to the phone lines and talk to joe calling from oklahoma. good morning. caller: hello. how are you doing? host: just fine. go ahead. caller: the confidence we are supposed to have in these public whath officials, they say pharmaceutical company it comes from, but who owns that? who makes the profits from this and why does donald trumpcare
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about the company so much? i question about history, the knights of the golden circle. they morphed into the kkk who morphed into the republican party along with meeting the germans who snuck in. aya calling to calling from texas. caller: i have not seen much in testing the aids virus effect on covid-19 and vice versa. i amse i am hiv-positive scared to death about the coronavirus affecting the ability to control the aids virus. has there been any research regarding that and how much
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research has been released? david callingo to from heath springs, south carolina. caller: good morning. how are you doing? host: just fine. go ahead. caller: the cat is out of the bag there is a cure in the president's right. if he says something about hydroxychloroquine, he is dumb. he is pushing more knowledge than what the doctors have. wasad the dr. fauci visiting the lab in wuhan. he is pushing the money he can make off not having into your. host: we go to ed calling from south dakota. caller: good morning, good brother.
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i am a disabled vet and i've been wearing my mask, isolating, doing the right thing, then we are going to have 40,000 bikers. they are not wearing masks, they are from all over the countryside, and i am really irritated with this whole mess. nowhere to run and hide so i'm stuck here. next month. las fun is fun, but this is ridiculous. our governor sold us out and kicked us under the bus for that $1.7 million they are going to make off this rally. host: i assume what you're talking about is the 2020 startingike ride august 7. are you saying this rally that
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happens every year is going to continue in your area despite the pandemic? caller: yes, sir. bikes, thereo many set up downtown, the trump stuff is down there, and it is really a mess. host: are you seeing them social distancing or wearing a mask or is it going on as normal? caller: it is going on as if nothing is happening. it is so ridiculous. the townspeople did not even want it. and it all started with our president going after mount rushmore. nobody was hardly wearing a mask up there and there is a 65istian camp up there where people got the virus.
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kids, so do were not tell me about schools. is all aboutss money and that is it. host: who are you listening to advice personally to get on the coronavirus? are you listening to federal officials, state officials? are you listening to your own personal doctor? caller: i call out to the v.a. every other day and find out what is going on. i am scheduled for another test on the sixth. i am going to be 70 years old. vietname a lot of veterans in the area and we are going to have a surge.
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it is something new jersey or new york or florida have never dreamt of. there is nothing i can do but sit here like a bump on a log. they are not even going to start sixth and they are here now. host: victoria is calling from the villages, florida. do you work in the medical field? d to decades ago in the research field and i would have very little confidence in any health official. i worked behind the scenes, follow the money, and that is where you will see the issues are. my oldest sister has taken hydroxychloroquine for 50 years because of lupus. her husband still works in a
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major hospital. her doctor told her at the beginning to make sure she is taking hydroxychloroquine and that would prevent her from getting any kind of infection from this virus. fine, herfectly husband is fine, and this is just follow the money. i worked behind the scenes for decades in a major northeast hospital and i have seen the corruption firsthand. host: earlier this week the director of the centers for disease control, robert redfield, talked in front of congress about the scope of the public health response. here is what dr. redfield had to say. [video clip] >> we are seven months into this pandemic and it is with great humility i share with you this is the most complex public health response this nation has undertaken in more than a century.
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this virus is indiscriminate regarding whom and when it strikes. we continue to learn the characteristics, behavior, and effect on americans across the spectrum. we are operating in a highly dynamic environment. we are adapting evidence-based strategies and pushing for innovative solutions to confront this unprecedented crisis. while i am optimistic and look forward to discussing the promise of the covid-19 vaccine i want to strongly emphasize that we are not defenseless now. we have powerful tools and if all of us, not just some of us, but all of us embrace these tools we will get a handle on this pandemic. i am appealing to all americans to be part of the public health solution. wearing a simple mask properly is critical to limiting transmission. be smart about social distancing
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and being in crowded spaces. stay six feet apart from others if possible and be vigilant about hand hygiene. together we can turn the tide of this pandemic. host: let us go back to social media followers to see what they say about their confidence in public health officials. here is a text that says, "i disagree with trump following dr. fauci. however, the cdc and dr. fauci change their guidance over and over." another text says, "i am no longer for trump. trump is attacking science with no data. we are not that stupid." my wife text says, " works at the hospital. i trust her and local health-care workers more than political hacks." birx istext says, "dr.
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a joke as she is just another trump sycophants. dr. fauci should've put a stop to the lies and nonsensical rants a long time ago. we have no leadership as people are dying day after day and it is disgraceful. " another says, "i have great confidence as a medical professional, but not in legislative professionals. the medical professionals are not political." a tweet says, "the only economic aid needed is for public health directors to stop closing things down." one last tweet says, "it is a new virus. they are doing the best they can and i trust they are doing what they can for our good. the problem is government officials are politicizing it and paranoid americans are denying it." let us go back to the phone lines and see what you think about your confidence in the advice coming from public health
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officials. froms go to dan calling spokane, washington. caller: good morning. i do not know exactly where to begin. confidence inmuch dr. fauci for sure. initially he was wrong on about everything. i do not put my faith and trust in man and government. i put my trust in god. i am over 70 and have underlying conditions, but i do not have fear. i am not running scared because of this. i know my days are numbered by god and i will live until my appointed time to meet him in the afterlife. host: dan, who exactly are usab you listening to? are you living your life like before the pandemic?
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caller: i have never been a real er so i spent time around my own home. it did not change my life much. i have to go along with what the law says which is you have to likea mask, but i do not close talkers. my life has not much changed, but i would encourage people to seek the lord during this time and examine ourselves to see if we are walking in the path we should walk as far as righteousness and truth. listen and hear and forgive us and heal our land. host: will go to larry calling from beaver falls, pennsylvania. good morning. caller: hi.
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i wanted to make a very clear statement. there is no cure for coronavirus. that is what everybody is racing around to try and find a vaccine. beene u.k., there have over 45,000 deaths attributed to covid-19 and in france over 30,000 deaths. many countries in europe are banning travelers saying that travelers from spain must quarantine themselves if they want to come into the countries in europe. this is not even talking about the united states. there is no cure for the coronavirus. all of the health officials around the world, including the world health organization, have made this clear. i do not know where the confusion is coming from, but i can point to one place and that is the white house. not the health people.
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they made it very clear. that is why we are going for the vaccine. stop the nonsense, american people. the evidence is clear. let us go to alan calling from washington. good morning. it goesas far as fauci he is a quack and always has been. he will not say it is a crowd of demonstrators that causes it, but he wants to keep kids out of school. he has never been any good. he is not a doctor, he does not handle patients, he knows nothing about the patients. talk to the doctors that handle the patient's. host: are you saying school should open in person later on this fall? caller: yes. where did they ever come up with
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the six foot rule? seen any big studies where six feet was the limit. host: have you made any personal changes in your life based on advice from your own personal doctor or are you still living life as you did before the pandemic began? caller: i am 85 years old and i go where i want to, do what i want to do. uack not going to let a quc tell me what i can do. gatesin bed with old bill and that is why he does not want hydroxychloroquine. it is almost free. host: we go to ed calling from florida. good morning. caller: good morning. have confidence in your own
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logic. my wife and i both have the virus. we are in excellent health and asymptomatic. you should have a thermometer and an oximeter in your house to measure your oxygen level. every day take your temperature, check your oxygen level, and be your own doctor. bad as it is not as is being publicized. we do not have any symptoms. we just went down and took the test and tested positive. now we self-quarantine and that will be over very shortly. only, maintain good health, which includes exercise, proper diet, and personal hygiene.
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do not panic. this virus is not bad. that your is your own good health. host: i do not exactly know where new port richey florida is . are you in danger because of the hurricane coming up out of the caribbean? caller: we are not. we are on the west side. we are not in danger. host: hopefully all of our florida viewers and callers are staying safe. one of the other things happening today, nasa astronauts doug hurley and bob behnken are making preparations for the historic return tomorrow. the spacecraft endeavor is going to undock from the international space station today and make splashdown off the coast of florida tomorrow. c-span will cover the undocking
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live at 9:00 a.m. eastern. keep watching later on today for the undocking live at 9:00 a.m. eastern. hurley and behnken, along with chris cassidy, held a press conference. they discuss the living conditions inside crew dragon. [video clip] --as far as capital value habitable value inside the dragon, if you tried to put a full crew of seven, it would be a stay in your seat sort of situation. with three or four people the operations -- your job will be to be in your seat for the asc ent, the docking, and the
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splashdown. around the interior of the vehicle there are spaces folks can get out of their seat and have their own small area to be in. i would not say it is a phone booth, but it definitely is cozy if you were to get up to four people. host: at 9:00 a.m. during this show we are going to go to the undocking live of the spacex crew dragon. i apologize. we are going to the farewell ceremony live aboard the international space station at 9:00 a.m. and the undocking will at 7:30 p.m. a.m.ll go live at 9:00 let us see if we can get a few more calls in about confidence when it comes to coronavirus.
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fromart with david calling pittsburgh, pennsylvania. good morning. caller: hello? host: are you there? caller: yes. host: go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. a couple of comments. the man who called about the relationship with hiv, the cdc just came out with a statement about that several days ago and he could check that out on the cdc website. they basically say we are still learning about covid-19 and how it affects people with hiv. we believe people with hiv who treatment -- who were -- that is the statement.
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it gets at the fundamental problem of what you're talking about. i absolutely have faith in our public health officials especially when they acknowledge the uncertainty which dr. fauci does all the time and all the other health officials do. they should listen to public health officials and not the politicians. it just makes sense. the folks that want to kind of, callnow, black-and-white dr. fauci a farce, the scientific method -- you are going to make mistakes because it is not black-and-white. and, extremely complex with a new disease, it is going to be evolving and dr. fauci has been clear about that. it was politicized by jim jordan.
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i have never heard him ask a question that is designed to get to the truth. his questions are always politically motivated and unhelpful. it was ridiculous that interchange when he could use the time to ask questions. people should have faith of public health officials. positions mayal or may not be the right source. i am a physician. it is hard to keep up with everything. we often have to defer to public health colleagues. we should absolutely do that. the woman from georgia was right. trump may not be as dumb as a roach, but he does not have the complexity to handle complex issues. he just shoots from his hip and that is very dangerous. liz calling go to
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from new jersey. good morning. caller: good morning. jersey, we had a real battle with covid and we still have a lot of virus in our state. it bye managed to curb doing things the public health asked like dr. fauci have the american people to do for their own survival and to curb the virus. thankfully, most of the state has done it. we do have individuals who want to believe a pile of conspiracy nonsense, but the majority of new jersey does have faith in the scientific method and doing things to prevent the spread. 8 whileack as april
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other states were bickering on ar a mask,ey should we that became mandatory in new jersey. that is quite a few months back. that help this bring our numbers down. i watched some of the hearings yesterday. i agree with the previous caller. i think people in ohio need to check out how your representative acted. spotst be rehearsing for a on fox news or something because that was ridiculous. callingt us go to steve from anaheim, california. good morning. caller: are you still there? host: yes. go ahead. i was going to say a
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joke, but i will pass. the thing that irritates us out -- and the six feet away i think that is a good idea -- but in anaheim we are the hot spot in orange county. it has been a year since i caught this thing and finally they are getting around to testing, but it is not three days, it is three weeks. infect 20,000 people. if you do the math, one person infects three people who infects three people and so on. as far as the response from our toornor, i think it is late.too
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they should have gone around and tested everybody instead of people wearing a mask. that is my only problem with this. -- endand with a joke with a joke. no i won't. doctor zieger is calling from maryland. the cure for covid would zinc. four patients with covid. is theyr treatment
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columbia in -- university earth institute. c-span2, sunday. journal"ngton continues. host: we are going to have a conversation about the congressional antitrust hearings into the big tech industry. reinhart, as will senior research fellow at utah state university center for growth and opportunity. good morning. first, tell us a little bit about your background and utah state university's center for growth and opportunity. caller: center for growth and opportunity is an epic -- economic research unit based out of utah state university. we work in immigration and environmental stewardship, and i
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am interested in tech issues and trying to understand what is going on with tech regulation. i have been involved with this going on a decade. my background is in economics and i am an economic modeler. that is the vision and mentality that i bring to tech policy in particular. host: earlier this week the legal -- the leaders of google, apple, facebook, and amazon, who are collectively worth $5 before theestified house judiciary antitrust subcommittee. why were they there, and was this antitrust inquiry warranted by congress? thisr: congress -- subcommittee in particular is looking into these four companies, and they have a wide ranging report that they will be issuing later this year. they really had been -- this is the fifth hearing in the series that are really supposed to
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bolster a lot of the elements in this report that will come out, and they wanted to talk with the ceos and get their take on what was happening and some critical questions with each one of these firms. is something there different going on with each one, but the hearing really showcased, i think two elements. one was this question of platform competition, and then there were a lot of other things, we talked a lot about privacy, free street -- free speech and bias. there was a lot on china and what was going on there. this hearing was not just about the issues that it was meant to be about, not just about platform competition and antitrust, it was a whole ranging set of issues, and pretty extensive, it lasted for just under six hours. host: now, way back in 2018, you wrote an opinion column in "the
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wall street journal," that here is the particular problem. "breaking up tech companies means the government would have to split up their teams and underlying technology, and would also require a legal and regulatory system to keep each company separate from the other's market. these would pose challenges for any company, but for a highly integrated tech firm, it would be a death sentence." explain what you mean. caller: all of these four firms have -- there have been suggestions to break them up. my point is that doing this is quite difficult. and we look at some of the biggest court cases that have in fact done this breakup or structural separation, those companies are actually kind of geography, inn or somewhat of a natural way. when you look at standard oil it
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was split into regional companies, and the same was at&t -- and the same with at&t. those natural delineations in the region and in the case of at&t, you had telephone lines and local networks. exist, theyt really do not exist like they do in tech companies. tech companies are fully integrated firms. there is a whole bunch of other elements that go into those. how you split up a database that is shared between three or four different companies? in the case of google, you split up google from a previous merger, how do you actually do that? that is far more technically involved than most people recognize. there are other ways to deal with this problem. there are whole bunches of behavioral regularity -- regulations.
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breaking up is the last and most aggressive way to deal with these platform companies and competition. i think we should be skeptical of the benefits that are going to come out of that. there are a lot of other ways to effectively re-instill competition to these spaces. host: let me take this time to remind our viewers that they can take part in this conversation about big tech and antitrust. remember, this is the beginning of the month so our lines are going to change, which means republicans your line will be 202, 748, -- your line will be 202-748-8001. democrat can call in on 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. you can always text us your question at 202-748-8003. we are always reading on social c-spanwj andter at
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facebook.com/c-span. representative, dave says helene, the chairman -- dave, opened the hearing saying that tech companies needed to be reined in and are a threat to consumers and smaller companies. listen to what he says and then respond to it. [video clip] effects, itconomic discourages entrepreneurship, destroys jobs and his grades quality. simply put, they have too much power. this staves off more forms of competition and innovation. while they may produce innovative products, their dominance is killing small businesses, manufacturing, and dynamism that is the engines of the american economy. several firms harvest and abuse data to sell ads from new books to dangerous so-called miracle cures.
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every day americans learn how much of their data is being mined, they cannot run away fast enough. in many cases there is no escape because there is no alternative. people are stuck with bad options. open markets are predicated on the idea that if a company harms people, consumers and business partners will choose another option. we are here because that choice is no longer possible. [end video clip] host: i want you to respond to that. caller: there is a lot included. -- guest: there is a lot included. this entire hearing is about consumers and we want to figure out how the consumers are benefiting or not benefiting from these large platform companies. this is a really tough issue to deal with, and i really do not envy the representatives and people at the ftc and doj trying to understand this. just as much as we talk about consumers and data, we know that
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consumers, when they learn about the data practices that happen with these companies, they still do not often change their own individual behavior. there is a whole bunch of things that go on for consumers that are really complicated when we talk about these companies in particular. for the most part, you do see consumers reacting to facebook when facebook had the revelations about cambridge analytica, 16 million people left the platform, and those people currently on the platform are using it less. see thesense, we markers of people saying i do not want to consume these products anymore, i do not want to use facebook or google for x,y, and z. we also have to look at other elements, we have to look at time on the platforms, consistency of using google as opposed to duckduck go.
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it makes it very complicated, at least in a couple of these markets, because they are free. the r0 priced goods. so understanding what and quality looks like, it is very difficult. as i said, i do not envy anyone trying to figure this out. the report will hopefully get into more details on actual true consumer concerns. host: you brought something that i was going to ask about. when we normally think about monopolies and antitrust, we are thinking about the expensive items being purchased by people. when we talk about tech companies, they are -- their products are either free, or they are low-cost when it comes to google, facebook, and twitter. we are not paying for those in the traditional sense. how do we deal with antitrust
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when it comes to a product that is virtually free? guest: it has been an endemic problem in antitrust and economics, the idea of digital markets and multisided platforms have been eight difficult space to understand. there have been developments with the supreme court as well, but when you look at these four inpanies, they are primarily completely different spaces and areas, and that is why in some regard it worried me that we were coupling these companies together, because the issues with amazon are retail based. the issues are facebook were regarding its mergers and acquisitions of instagram and whatsapp as opposed to google with its ad business when i pull -- apple was the pricing on their app store. these are four major areas and wholly different cases. worrying was also
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about what happened within the antitrust hearing. these companies need to account for if they have harmed consumers, and that is evidently clear and everyone agrees. you really do need to take a fine-tuned cone -- comb and talk about what consumers are concerned about. in this price conference -- concern is endemic. but it is a different sort of beast when we are talking about apple or amazon where there are clearly prices involved and we are haggling over what it should be or what consumers should be getting. problem, andis a clearly, there is a whole bunch of work being done at the ftc and doj to understand that, but it gets more complicated would be the short of it. host: let us let viewers join in on the conversation, and we will start with bill from illinois on the independent line. good morning.
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thank youod morning, for taking my call. my question is on the free-speech aspects of this discussion. i mean, if i go out on the street and basically just shoot my mouth off, i could say whatever i want, i cannot incite people to riots, i cannot publish pornography. can the law be changed have freeu can speech, as we sort of understand free-speech, where there are criminal enforcement of things you are not accepted, but can have political free-speech, you can have just general free-speech. changed so that
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those platforms have to conform to what we think of as free-speech? guest: this is a very difficult issue and we are talking about it. the we typically think of first amendment, the amendment only protects these shorts of -- sorts of platforms from the government. as we get into this more and more and who should have the ability to speak in questions of audiences it gets complex. if you want to try and implement a law that instilled that, it would fail under first amendment grounds. to question we are trying tackle with this social media platforms is a little bit more subtle, which is should there be better enforcement mechanisms internally, or should there be more transparency? should facebook or twitter have some sort of -- should they work towards ensuring that consumers know why they are taking down certain types of content or why
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certain types are being left up? this is an area where i know a lot of people want to try and legislate and litigate, but it is not as easy when you talk about the internal first amendment principles that this country is based on. to me, there is a subtle conversation going on, more of a back-and-forth. you have journalists and people who work in research, and myself who are pushing and pulling the companies in different directions to change their practices such that their own consumers and users are getting the best that they have, and this much softer marketplace and marketplace for ideas is the better way to do this instead of choosing or trying to push some sort of legislative fix. there is a whole bunch of discussion going on in congress over these issues, but i would again focus that when we talk about these particular platforms and a hearing that occurred earlier this week, this is
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really about competition and competition issues. free-speech issues -- free-speech issues have been brought up, but this was really a split between two can turns, and i was really worried about competition and hoping for more talk about competition and the ancillary but important issues about frese beach and international standing. host: this is washington and politics always involves itself in these hearings. one of the things we heard were republicans questioning whether this social media platforms had muzzled conference server to viewpoints and were unpatriotic. was that a fair criticism? guest: i think it is somewhat of a fair criticism, the problem that best describes it is there are a lot of filters in place. a lot of this stuff is automated because there is a lot of content. so when you look at instances
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post getss someone's taken down or it was not allowed to be advertised against, those sorts of things i tend to think at the end of the day, most of it comes down to spam filters or bad internal company policies and not sort of any endemic desire or wish against one party or the other. when you look at facebook, a lot of the top stories that go through facebook are still considered conservative speech. then schapiro has the most white -- ben shapiro has the most widely spread issues going on. when you look at conservatives versus the liberals who might ,ave a very different concern they also very much are similarly against the companies and facebook, and twitter for taking down their content. you see the internationalist
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social -- the international socialists also had a concern. i am not going to try do what -ism but you see it on both sides. it seems to be more complex that sums of his taken down that should -- some stuff is taken down that should not be. there is a lot that is happening that is a functional of internal processes and not a political sway. host: let us go back to our phone lines and let us talk to hannah from south windsor, connecticut, on the democrat line. caller: good morning, and thank you. to havewe are blessed these four tech giants in america, and on what condition would you think they would move to another country? as i was saying, we are blessed. another reason i wanted to call
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was that i wanted to javon -- of advise jillden -- biden to get security around the vice president, we do not know what is going on the people who follow trump. host: go ahead and respond to her tech question. guest: these companies are quite important big american text -- tech companies. i do worry somewhat about this conversation that there are obviously consumer concerns and worries, and there is obviously an important place for the ftc, doj, and congress to go after these companies, at the same time there is a negative view towards these american companies which, again employee a lot of people. they have done very well in kind of the unfortunate current pandemic that we are facing and economic downturn.
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they have been able to weather the storm and shift a lot of workers to remote work. there are a lot of benefits to the companies and a lot of benefits to having this innovation in this american push for better and greater tech companies. i worry, as your caller suggested, sometimes we go far afield in criticizing these companies, and all i am trying to suggest is that there is a good place for a balanced approach, one to recognize that these have been beneficial for connecting friends and family. i use facebook and twitter to connect to friends and family, to connect to my mom. those sorts of things can be helpful, and i hope that, obviously, that the powers that be, and the policing agents in the ftc and doj take a hard look at the companies, but we should
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be conscientious that they are a lot of benefits to these companies. host: we cannot talk about tech and not deal with the breaking news that came out of the white house yesterday when it comes to tiktok. i will read a little bit about what president trump said just yesterday. "president donald trump on friday said that he would act as soon saturday to ban chinese owned video act tiktok from the united states. he made the comments while chatting with reporters on air force one during the flight back to washington from florida. as far as tiktok is concerned, we are banning them from the united states, trump said, calling the action a severance. he did not specify whether he would act through an executive order or other method. well, i have that authority. i can do it with an executive order or that, trump said. a tiktok spokesperson told nbc
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makethat the app helped to jobs across the u.s.. we have hired 1000 people to our ust malone and we are proud to be hiring another 10,000 employees integrate paying jobs across the u.s., the spokesperson said. billion-dollar creator fund supports u.s. creators building livelihoods from our platform." what do you think about what president trump said and his plan to "ban" tiktok from the united states. guest: it will be interesting to see the mechanism that he will try and pursue in this, and this is something i have been asking around. there is not any clear path unless you go down the typical route which just goes through congress. i do not necessarily know that there is a very clear pathway legally that he could actually band tiktok in a near term.
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there are obviously worries about tiktok and its relationship with china and the chinese military. there has been investigations and it seems like there are larger concern. doj recall, it could be the , but a federal agency has been looking into this. tiktok has responded in a way that it would be very interesting. as soon as the news came out, the other news was that they were in talks with microsoft to be sold off to microsoft, which would be interesting, that tiktok splits off from its original chinese holding company, and that to me seems to be the tension we are talking about, whether or not tiktok can free itself in the near-term in order to take advantage of its clearly growing popularity. it is a massive change, and it could be a massive change within the social media space. and only just as earlier this month, or last month, they
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opened up for advertising. you are seeing this company develop quickly, and it is popular, and there is a lot of movement happening. at the end of the day with trump, i think president trump have to figure out a pretty artful way to do this, because at least from my understanding, there is not a clear articulation or easy way to deal with it with the legal problems of trying to force this company out of the united states. host: let us see if we could get a couple of quick callers in. john from ohio on the democratic line. good morning. caller: good morning. what is this relationship that you are talking about to the european community and the handcuffs they have put onto american tech companies? thank you. guest: this has also been a big tension with american companies,
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that effectively, the european most of thesees large tech companies. there has been this big worry that the way that the europeans have been dealing with large american tech companies is through fines and regulation. that has also been a consistent worry that they are trying to go after large, -- they are successful american companies, we should not deny that. there is obviously worry with the europeans that they are using fines and regulation in order to trying create their own local set of conditions to create their own silicon valley, and this is something they have been pursuing for the last 20 to 30 years. i think that what really irks and worries me about this is if we do go down a bad path we end up fracturing the internet into many different physical and separate regional spaces. you have, for example, a
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european block that is growing, and with data restrictions and retention issues, the europeans are carving out a space for them. it might only be accessible to europeans, which leaves the united states with the rest of the world against another fracturing part of the internet, china with a lot of people. the idea of this is called the splinternet, and i hope this does not occur. there been a lot of current tensions in the united states and this idea of data transfer. they will be more work on this in the near future, but my hope is that we try to effectively figure out some sort of solution to this splintering internet, and i really do hope that the europeans come to the table, because i know these are constantly being talked over. host: let us see if we can get one more quick question from david from baltimore, maryland,
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on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. we all hear the phrase free speech, and i think we all know what speech is, that real question is do we know what freedom is? that is where we stumble, that is where we really fall down. it is difficult when people tell you you cannot say something, and it is difficult when you want to say that and you are forbidden to say that. but, we really have to judge -- ithing by not so much have to judge things not what i get from them, what i get from my speech, but what do you get from my speech. and, if my motive is to help you to do good to you by what i speak, then things will go well. host: relate your comments to the big tech before we run out
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of time. tech iswell, big nothing more than a bunch of people, and i would say to all those people, if they dust off the book and read the new part of it, and then read the red letters, than they might learn something on how to live. because jesus came and could have wiped out the whole earth just like he did with noah. he could have wiped us all out that he came to save us. caller: got -- guest: go ahead and respond. the caller is hinting on something that is actually we talk about a lot which is audiences. and it is you audiences have access to the contents that they want. we know that the internet, and this is existed for 30 years, but the internet has driven new voices into the space, and that to me is obviously hugely beneficial which has disrupted
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at least beneficially traditional ways of understanding content. there is a bunch of new content that goes through the internet. i would also caution that we are, when it comes to the smartphone revolution, only 10 years into this. i still see it as the adolescence and trying to understand our relations to technology and really when it comes to free speech and these issues of who should have the ability to speak and ability to determine what is being spoken about, those things are trying to get worked out. i really do think that this will be a long-term problem that we constantly but up against. there is a lot of hope, that the people coming into the spaces that there is a different expectation when it comes to speech and different platforms giving rise to different kinds of speech, and that seems to be a beneficial way to solve the problem, to allow people to choose and people are choosing
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in a dramatic and important way, they are getting out the platforms they do not like, and if they do not like those type of sources, and as i said, this will take a little while to solve the problem. host: we would like to thank william wyatt heart -- william -- from from the unit the utah university center of growth and opportunity and talking about the antitrust hearings. thanks you for your help. guest: thank you for having me. host: coming up the national women's law center, melissa botanica will join us as we look at childcare and the impact covid is having on the industry rely onfamilies that it. ♪ >> american history tv on c-span three exploring the people and events that tell the american story every weekend.
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the issues that are central to the lives of women and girls, which means taking on change and public policy and our society, and we focus on women who face multiple forms of discrimination. host: you are here to talk about the child care industry, so let us start out with a common base of information. how large is the childcare industry in the united states? guest: so, the child care industry has about 3 million workers, but unfortunately, we are seeing a massive crisis right now, because we are seeing them go out of business, we are seeing parents struggling to find childcare, and we are seeing families being pushed out of the workforce because they are not able to secure care for their children. industry isd care the backbone of the economy. it is a largely female
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workforce, and disproportionately women of color and immigrant women. they are the work force the workforce. are seeing19, we them pushed to the brink. host: do you we have any hard data on exactly how many these centers are going out of work? you set around 3 million childcare workers. how many of those are out of for or working -- looking another job because their center has close? survey done was a by the national association of the education of young children who says we are looking at a 40%,re of two out of five, and only 18 percent of childcare centers are expected to be able to survive a year unless we get significant aid. we are talking about losing an entire industry, almost and one which allows parents to work and
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our economy to function. host: explained to us the actual importance to the economy of having these childcare centers? it is not just these individual workers who are losing their jobs. how does it affect other workers, for example parents, in needing to go to work? has been seenre as a personal responsibility, something you have got to figure out on your own, and unfortunately, that has resulted in a disinvestment and a you are on your own mentality. we know that childcare is a public good, something that provides for the ability for parents to go to work and employers to have a workforce, which is one of the reasons you are seeing businesses saying we need to invest in childcare. it is the first learning setting that many children have. children's brains between zero and five are like sponges, so
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those early years are critical to provide children with high quality settings to thrive in the long term. it is not only helping mothers, in particular, and appearance over all work and supporting our economy, but it is an investment in the long-term economic future of our country. host: i remember when the pandemic first began in early february and march that a lot of states were trying to find childcare for the first responders who needed to be in the hospitals, and taking care of people when the pandemic began. are we seeing any other help from the government to keep these childcare centers open? responders, first but for medical professionals in the hospital, people who still have to work regardless of whether the pandemic is going on or not? guest: let me paint a picture.
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you mentioned many states were trying to figure this out, state budgets are in crisis. you are seeing fewer revenues and more needs because of the pandemic and recession. they budgets are strapped, so -- there budgets -- their budgets are strapped and we need aid from the federal government. the only investment has been made was $3.5 billion in march which will not tied folks over for a month. the national women's law center and the center for law and social policy worked with tenants -- worked within apollo figure outmist to what would it take for frontline childcare safely and so that we have a system to come back to in terms of providers who have been forced to reduce enrollment. we estimated it would take $9.6 billion a month for that minimum level. right now the math does not add up, we have only had $3.5
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billion of investment. there were two historic votes in the house of representatives the proposed largest investment in the childcare industry since world war ii. what we need to do now is to make sure that the senate takes that up and gets included in the relief package to save the childcare sector? host: i wanted to bring those bills up in one second, but let me remind our viewers that they can take part in this conversation as well. lines, open up special just like myself, i know that there are many parents wondering about childcare coming up this fall when schools and businesses reopen. parents we will have a special line for you. if you are a parent and thinking about childcare, we want to hear from you at 202-748-8000. childcare -- host: solidarity. childcare employees, you are on the front lines, i want to hear
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from you if you work in childcare. i want to know what is going on in your business and what are your concerns. childcare employees, the next line is for you. i want to hear from you at 202-748-8001. if you do not fit in either one of those categories, but you still have something to say about childcare and coronavirus, your line will be 202-748-8002. keep in mind, you can always text us at 202-748-8003. and we are always reading on social media on twitter at sold -- at c-spanwj and facebook.com/c-span. before i got to the telephone numbers, you had mentioned two pieces of legislation that went through the house. i will read for our viewers a description of those bills as was written by the hill earlier this week. "the house passed two bills
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aimed at easing the financial burden for childcare amid the coronavirus pandemic. the first titled childcare is essential act would provide grant money to childcare providers in an effort to help facilities reopen safely amid the coronavirus pandemic and stabilize the sector's operations. the second called the childcare for economic recovery act includes a number of tax provisions that are aimed at making childcare more affordable for families and providing assistance to childcare providers. both bills passed in largely partyline votes." what is the chance for those bills in the senate? and, the white house? guest: before i answer that question, i want to note that there were 18 republicans that voted for the childcare is essential act and 20 for the childcare for economic recovery act. so one of the things we were
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most excited about was to see that this has been a largely bipartisan understanding. so, the new score for us is the $50 billion and these investments in the childcare for economic recovery act, because a large number of members have said that we recognize the extent of the need and we need to make these investments. i need to underscore that. in terms of the chances for the legislation. i think that it is over to the senate. the senate bill only included $15 billion, and i said earlier it would take $9.6 billion per month to sustain the sector. the senate bill is really not enough in order to get us through. you mentioned parents worrying about school and school-age kids. we are coming up to a place where we are on the brink of a crisis.
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the childcare providers that are staying open have needed to reduce the number of slots in order to maintain social distancing guidelines. more, notncurring less expenses in order to pay for additional space, cleaning and protective equipment, and they are operating on thin margins. before the crisis was even upon shortage, a childcare and now we are talking about introducing school-age children who would need care in a system already on the brink and stretched further. $15 billion is not going to be what gets us over the finish line. for parents, businesses, for all of us as a country who care about the common good, we need to push the senate to get this money into the next relief package. host: that is one of the things that we sometimes look over, a lot of times when we think about childcare, a lot of people think
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it is about babies, but there are school-age children will be left at home if parents have to go to work. i am lucky enough that my children's grandmother is able to help us with our children. what of -- what are the roles of grandparents and helping in childcare, especially in the midst of this pandemic, where we see that sometimes older people may be more susceptible during this pandemic. guest: you have hit the nail on the head. a lot of times families who would normally turn to grandparents or other relatives orhelp them, they are faced they might have an immuno compromised relative who would normally help them. because of the increased risk, the help is also -- often not sustainable. were in thelies who traditional childcare system, but because they need to protect relatives, now need care in the system.
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it is really a perfect storm brewing unless we make investments. host: let us let viewers join in on the conversation. we are going to start with cindy, who lives in canton, ohio, and who works in the childcare industry. good morning. caller: good morning. my concern is childcare overall, and i want to thank you for calling it childcare, not referring to it as daycare. is that theent standards that we put in place and the numbers we put in place for childcare during the pandemic should be statewide in ohio. million taken0 out of our tax funded issues for clandestine nine money -- clandestine nine money that went the energy companies and we do not have money to keep our
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numbers low. we have a crisis with older children who have been through childcare and have not received good care, and we do not have many standards in place to make sure that people caring for children, and there are many good ones, that i have also worked for some that i would not be in -- i would not want to be in charge of a goldfish. we do not have standards overall, so the pandemic has opened up issues, but specifically, the numbers. if you put 20 for children or two adults in a room, -- 24 children or two adults in a room, that is not fair for families. we had down to nine children per adult which was dicey, but better. would elected officials understand that childcare people work for nine to $10 an hour. i do not think they realize this. host: go ahead and respond.
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heart plusst want to one everything cindy said. the childcare workforce is a national necessity. they have always been essential workers, and yet they are paid poverty wages for the work that all of us rely upon. up, the math does not add because parents are already struggling to afford childcare, and providers are already making too little for the service they provide, so those interests are pitted against each other, but what we need to do is recognize childcare as the public good that it is, and gets ignited -- significant federal investment to about -- to allow providers with the right ratios of providers to children and safe situations, and to invest to that -- invest in them. have beent of what we
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talking about has been childcare businesses, which a lot of people assume that the child is out of the house. what about home childcare? what is the status of home childcare in the country? how is that being effected by the pant -- affected by the pandemic? guest: it is an important option for a number of children. you are asking people to take risk into their own homes in terms of people coming in and who knows what they have been exposed to, and childcare providers who operate out of their own home are being asked to basically provide an essential service and we are not giving them the tools and cleaning equipment, and on the razors and margins that they are operating on, to be as safe as possible. they have been on the front lines making sure that front-line workers can go to work, making sure that people do not need to drop out of the labor force, and we owe it to
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them to make sure that we are giving the resources they need to care for themselves and their families. to the calleralk from myrtle beach, south carolina. good morning. is, i amy comment helping out my sister with childcare right now, and i do not think the senate realizes that a lot of the money that they are giving us, expenses are going up, because i am helping her out right now because the diminishingople are their numbers of people that they are taking in and the prices are going up because they are not making the money that they are supposed to be making. so, in essence, while they are saying that they are trying to shorten the unemployment and so forth and so on, the expenses are actually going up,
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especially with childcare. senateust hope that our is looking at all of the things that are making this thing work instead of just saying, ok, we are going to try and get to as much money as you were making before the pandemic. well, the pandemic is a lot more expensive than regular life right now. guest: first of all, those are all really important points. and i think that the stories of people like you, and your sister are what we need the senate to hear. there is a disconnect in many cases between lived experiences of people who see what is happening to the childcare sector and can see down the road what that impact will be, and the people in positions of power. there have been wonderful champions in the senate, senator patty murray, and elizabeth warren who had been fighting for them -- for the money. we need mitch mcconnell to see
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that if we do not get that money, we are putting a sector in crisis. i want to comment on one other point you made which is about pandemic.demic, -- pre- one of the things that people have woken up to was that the status quo was never ok either. we had a childcare system, and i say this loosely, we need more of a system. we had a system that relied on workforce,ely female that disproportionately, black, brown, and immigrant wages -- poverty wages to do essential work and then charging parents on -- unsustainable rates. cost of that is really a huge burden on parent budgets, and compromises park -- economic security and workforce
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participation. the system was never all right. that sound you hear is the primal scream of every parent and provider saying we have been seeing -- saying this all along. host: i will tell you one of our social media followers disagrees with you, and i will read his comments and i want you to respond to it. this social media followers says "childcare is not a national necessity. national necessities are well stated in the constitution." i'm just can ask you, is this conversation about the necessity of childcare fair to people who do not have children? guest: yes, unless you think that your tax dollars should not go for clean water, roads, infrastructure, public schools, just because you are not using something in real time, the whole good -- the whole idea of a public good is that we are making investments that benefit all of us.
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childcare allows businesses to flourish in the next generation of children to be prepared for school. childcare is a basic infrastructure for economic growth. and so, similar to roads and bridges, and clean water, and all of the other things that we collectively see as public investments, childcare falls in the category. i would urge folks -- also without children who have seen their colleagues who have young children and what has been going on and how that has affected them in the workforce in terms of the responsibilities they have taken on, and you can see in real time what it looks like when childcare is in crisis. from fredericksburg, virginia. good morning. caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. i agree with you. i do not know about the last caller, or the guy who texted. i agree, it is a major -- i
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mean, right now it sounds like we will have a vaccine within six months. i understand everything that they go through and need from lunches to everything else, but right now if we go back to school, i can see another shutdown coming in and the teachers are sick and they will not be teachers to go back to school when they do have a vaccine. thank you. i mean, i think the caller is hitting the nail on the head. it is not like the past five months have been ok. the past five months have been really horrible for providers, parents, and children, and now we were supposed to have prioritized getting the public health crisis under control. unfortunately, we prioritized opening bars and restaurants, and now we are at a place where
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many schools are going all virtual or in hybrid settings, and it will create an additional layer to the childcare crisis. host: let us see if we can squeeze in shelby from tallahassee, florida. good morning. caller: good morning. this is a really worthy topic and we appreciate c-span, and thank you so much for the women's law center, who does wonderful work. is withue of course half of families in america having the need for childcare. it is an expensive option that it does have to be paid for that provides the common good, investment for us to have an economy, family, and community value of life. we have the private subsidized care, which is a referral
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through federal and state combined funding, and we have the state pre-k systems, and we also have the women who have the childcare in their home who are the childcare providers. if you could speak to the four categories, right now because of the covid, we have women who are grocery store workers, who are home health care workers, who hospitals, we have teachers who will have to go back to school, so we have had for the past four or five months most of the parents have been home because of the covid. now we go to a system where we are trying to bridge a gap, that this is a continual gap, as you know. we have half of america paying $600 -- it is an outrageous thing, i do not think people have the context of this. host: go ahead and respond. guest: sure.
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it is outrageous. it is outrages that parents are outrageous- it is that parents are unable to have care before the pandemic and that workers are making poverty wages. it is outrageous that we have not provided the basic sustenance to sustain the childcare sector, and it is outrageous that the people most affected by this in addition to the children and providers, or women. obviously, both parents will be affected, but when you look at the data and the history, it is women who are more likely to be dropping out of the workforce and in the majority of frontline jobs. three out of four hospital workers are women, and 93% of childcare workers are women. women are on the frontline and need childcare. on the other end, they are concentrated in hospitality,
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restaurants, and retail that have been hit hard. women are getting squeezed on both sides, and we have yet to see the level of recognition in the senate from mitch mcconnell, that we need investments in the scale and scope just to stabilize things, never mind to rebuild in an equitable and sustainable way. host: let us see if we can squeeze in scott from massachusetts. can you give us a quick comment or question? caller: a quick comment. from other countries, they know that kids under 10 are less likely to catch and transmit covid-19, so that sending kids back to school in kindergarten through fourth or fifth grade is irresponsible, and i would like to see how she feels. guest: i would defer to public health experts on the safety of schools and different settings.
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thathing i will note is there are teachers and school staff, and that there are also, when you partially open schools, children are part of families, so they might have an older sibling that needs care in a different setting. we are trying to enforce social distancing until we have a vaccine or other kind of public health measure that is able to get the virus under control, and it is not just about kids going to school, it is about the mixing of different populations and there are adults who will be vulnerable to getting very sick or potentially dying from covid-19. host: let us see if we can squeeze in earl from canton, georgia. could you give us a quick comment or question? caller: good morning, i have a comment. here in georgia, i do not know what has been mentioned before, but a ymca camp at lake burton in rayburn county, they had camp
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for the last month, and three quarters of the people tested tested positive, and mostly kids. it is a ymca camp. but lake burton is the tahoe of the south. south. these are millionaire, billionaire places now. i used to go up to the town before it became a paradise for millionaires. this has gone on for a month here in georgia, and this is the first i have seen of it was on face book yesterday, the media on facebook. i don't understand why they want to send these kids back to school. it is ridiculous. guest: yes. again, the public health, resolving the public health crisis has to be the priority. that happens, opening schools, fully opening the economy is not feasible. we need to get the public health
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crisis under control to protect our children, protect our families, and protect the workforce. melissa, should there be an national or governmental strategy, or should child care become a governmental responsibility in the united states, looking at the whole problem long-term? guest: i think child care should be a public good, and that can lot like different things, but we need to have that structure in place to create an equitable system. a range of ways that children can be cared for in loving, supportive and high quality settings. the national women's law center, i worked with 29 other organizations across a range of state orders to come up with principles for what a system looks like. it means that we are investing in the workforce.
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it means that we are offering culturally competent care and brain science. it is accessible and affordable for parents. so any system that we built -- and there are good builds out there -- like the child care for working families act, that invest in all the pillars with good compensation for the providers doing this is essential work. is almost like a smokescreen to say government run or government whatever -- we need to invest in it as a public good , and it can look a lot of different ways as long as it meets those principles. host: really quickly, we would like to thank melissa boteach, the income security and childcare early learning vice president at the national women's law center for being here with us this morning at talking to us about the issue of childcare during a pandemic.
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melissa, thank you so much for being here. guest: thank you so much for having me. host: we want to thank all of you for participating in that conversation. we will now take you to live coverage of nasa tv for the for the' ceremony spacex dragon crew before it undocks from the international space station. ♪
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>> there it is. there it is. son of a gun, right down the middle of the road. outstanding. 42 degrees, pete. i can't believe it. amazing. fantastic. 42 degrees, david. coming down at about 99 feet a second. you are looking good. go for a landing. 40 degrees. >> i can't believe it. >> you are at 2000 feet. degrees, 38 up, 39 degrees, 1200 feet. coming down.
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looks good. 32 degrees, 800 feet. 33 degrees, 600 feet. >> that crater right where it is supposed to be -- it is beautiful. you are really moving around. ♪ host: we are back and we are going to go to the spacex crew
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farewell ceremony in a few want to remind all of our viewers that we will the spacexer ceremony, where we will allow you to talk about your top public policy issue. we want to know what you think about, what's going on in the world and federal and state toernment, and you are going tell us what your opinion is on your personal top public policies. you see the numbers there on the screen. republicans, your number is (202) 748-8001. democrats, we want to hear from you at (202) 748-8000. s, your number is going to be (202) 748-8002. texas --an waste always text us your opinion at (202) 748-8003. we are always reading at social media, on twitter at @cspanwj
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and facebook at facebook.com/cspan. there's a lot of issues out there that we can talk about, and let's go ahead and you can tell is what you are thinking right now. let's take a few calls really quickly. az, calling from virginia on the democratic line. caller: good morning, sir. host: go ahead. caller: i would like to ask a question in regards to global poverty. do you think the united states should do more to help combating that issue, or do you think the u.s. is doing a little too much? callingt's go to ed, ake, new yorkl on the independent line. what's on your mind? caller: i want to thank the women of the country for voting for the democrats and flipping the house in 2018, and i'm very
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anxious -- very anxious that the head of the postal service is now causing inefficiencies that is affecting male delivery -- mail delivery throughout the country, but particularly in ballot -- battleground states. isis clear to me that it designed to effect the votes that will be counted in this critical election, absolutely the most important since the civil war. finally, i am anxious because the federal government has essentially virtually nothing to combat the coronavirus as it rages across the country, and it is clear to me that if you put all those together it is obvious -- i am not a big believer in can be received, but how could ink that this person in the white house wants to be reelected at any cost and will do nothing to affect the coronavirus, to stop it so that
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people will be forced to do mail-in voting? sorry for the long message, god bless america, i love our country. host: let's go to mike, calling from washington on the independent line. good morning. caller: yes, good morning. i'm calling because i do not understand why not a single about anywhere is talking permanent ppe. i'm am a drywall contractor and use polypropylene respirators that you can buy today at home depot, they sell them in the store, they are an-95 certified -- n-95 certified and protect do yourself from the virus, but no one is talking about them. it is a cheap thing to do. why doesn't anyone do it? host: let's go to kevin, calling from low bill, kentucky on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning, how are you doing? what makes the
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federal government, the house and the senate, just walk out on the people of the united states and unemployment? host: once again, thank you for those calls. we will be back later on to talk to you more about your top public policy issues. we will take you live tenacity the for the farewell ceremony of the spacex crew dragon before it undocks from the international space station. [no audio]

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