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tv   Presidential Debates Trump- Biden First Debate  CSPAN  September 29, 2020 9:47pm-10:42pm EDT

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mr. president, let me pick up on that. you would continue your free market approach, lower taxes, more deregulation, correct? vice pres. biden: not lower taxes on the american people. chris: but you talk about the economy booming. in obama's final three years as president, more jobs were created, 1.5 million more jobs than in the first three years of your presidency. pres. trump: they have the slowest economic recovery since 1929. it was the slowest recovery. also, they took over something that was down here. all you had to do was turn on the lights and they pick up a lot. let me tell you about the stock market. when the stock market goes up, that means jobs. it also means 401(k)s. if you ever became president with your ideas, you want to terminate my taxes, you will lose half of the companies that have poured in here will leave,
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and companies will leave for other places. and you will have a depression the likes of which you've never seen. vice pres. biden: look, we inherited the worst recession short of a depression in american history. i was asked to bring it back. we were able to have a recovery that created the jobs you are talking about. we handed him a booming economy. he blew it. pres. trump: it wasn't booming. it was the weakest -- chris: is it fair to say he blew it when there was record low unemployment before covid? vice pres. biden: because what he did, even before covid, manufacturing went in a hole. number two -- vice pres. biden: you are on pres. trump: chris, they said it would take a miracle to bring back manufacturing. i brought back 700,000 jobs. they brought back nothing. they gave up on manufacturing.
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asked to. biden: i was bring back chrysler and general motors. brought them back right here to the states of ohio and michigan. they are gone. he blew it. pres. trump: ohio had the best year it ever had last year. michigan had the best year they ever had. many companies went to michigan. chris: mr. vice president, go ahead. vice pres. biden: you take a look at what he's actually done, he's done very little. his trade deals are the same way. he talks about these trade deals. he talks about the art of the deal. china perfected the art of the steel. we have a higher deficit with china now than we did before. pres. trump: china eight your lunch, joe. no wonder. your son goes in and he takes out billions of dollars, takes out billions of dollars, makes millions of dollars, and also,
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while we are at it, why is it -- the mayor of moscow's wife gave your son $3.5 million. what did he do to deserve it? vice pres. biden: none of that is true. none of that is true. president, please. vice pres. biden: totally discredited. pres. trump: he didn't get $3.5 million? chris: mr. president. vice pres. biden: chris: chris: that is not true. chris: mr. president. it is open discussion. please. totallys. biden: discredited. [crosstalk] vice pres. biden: my son did nothing wrong. chris: let him answer. vice pres. biden: he doesn't want me to answer because he knows i have the truth. his position has been totally discredited by everybody.
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by the media, by our allies, by the world bank. by everyone. fact, even a president who testified under oath -- chris: i'm listening to you. pres. trump: he got $3.5 million from moscow. vice pres. biden: he testified under oath that his administration said, i did my job and i did it very well. list -- youu the already fire most of them. chris: go ahead. wait a minute. you get the final word. vice pres. biden: it is hard to get any word with this clown. 3.5 million, joe. chris: mr. president. vice pres. biden: here's the deal. you want to talk about families and ethics, i don't want to do that. his family, we could talk about all night.
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[crosstalk] vice pres. biden: it is about your family and the american people. that is not true. is about you, the american people. that is who we are talking about. chris: we are moving on. vice president -- pres. trump: can i be honest? [crosstalk] chris: the answer to the question is no. sir. -- know what, [crosstalk]' gentlemen, i hate to raise my voice, but why should i be different than the two of you? we have six segments. we have ended that segment. we are going to go to the next segment. you were each going to have two uninterrupted moments.
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in those two minutes, you can say anything you want. i can ask a question but if you want to answer about something else, go ahead. but i think the country would be better served if we allow both people to speak with fewer interruptions. i'm appealing to you, sir, to do that. pres. trump: and him. chris: you've been doing more interrupting. pres. trump: he does plenty. chris: less than you have. its on. vice president biden, you say that president trump's response to the violence in charlottesville three years ago, when he talked about very fine people on both sides, was what directly led you to launch this run for president. pres. trump: sure. chris: president trump, you often said you believe you have done more for black americans than any president with the possible exception of abraham lincoln. my question for the two of you, why should voters trust you
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rather than your opponent to deal with the race issues facing this country? vice president biden, you go first. vice pres. biden: it is about equity and equality. it is about decency. it is about the constitution. we have never walked away from trying to require equity for everyone, equality for the whole america. we've never accomplished it, but we've never walked away from it like he has done. the reason i got in the race -- close your eyes. remember what those people looked like carrying torches, their veins bulging, spewing anti-semitic bile and by the ku klux klan. a young woman got killed and the president said there were very fine people on both sides. no president ever said anything like that. make, whent i would floyd was killed, when mr. floyd was killed, there was a peaceful
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protest in front of the white house. what did he do? hadame out of his bunker, the military used teargas on them so he could walk across to the church and hold up a bible. after that, the bishop of that very church said it was a disgrace. the general who was with him said all he ever wants to do is divide people. this is a president who has used everything as a dog whistle to try to generate racist hatred, racist division. this is a man, you talk about helping african-americans, one in 1000 african-americans has been killed because of the coronavirus. if he doesn't do something quickly, by the end of the year, one in 500 will have been killed. is a savior of african-americans? this man cares at all? this man has done virtually nothing. you have to look at what he talks about. you have to look at what he did.
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what he did has been disastrous for the african-american community. chris: president trump, you have two minutes. why should americans trust you over your opponent? pres. trump: he did a crime bill, 1994, where you called them super predators, african-americans, and they've never forgotten it, joe. chris: it is his two minutes. pres. trump: and i'm letting people out of jail now that you have treated the african-american population community, you have treated the black community about as bad as anybody in this country. you did the 19 -- and that is why if you look at the polls, i'm doing better than any republican in a long time, because they saw what you did. you called them super predators and you called them worse than that. look back at your testimony, you called them a lot worse than that. as far as the church is concerned and as far as the generals are concerned, we just
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got the support of 250 military leaders and generals. law enforcement, almost every law enforcement group in the united states -- i have florida, i have texas, i have ohio -- excuse me, portland, the sheriff just came out today and said, i support president trump -- i don't think you have any law enforcement. you can't even say the words law enforcement because you will lose all your radical left supporters. and why aren't you saying those words? if they called us in portland, we would put out that fire in a half an hour, but they won't do it because they are run by radical left democrats. if you look at chicago, seattle, they heard we were coming in the following day and they put up their hands and we got back seattle. minneapolis, we got it back because we believe in law and order, but you don't. the top 10 cities and just about the top 40 cities are run by
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democrats, in many cases radical left, and they've got you wrapped around their finger to a point where you don't want to say anything about law & order. the people of this country want and demand law & order and you are afraid to even say it. chris: i want to return to the question of race. vice president biden, after the grand jury in the breonna taylor case decided not to charge any of the police with homicide, you said it raises the question, whether justice could be equally applied in america. a you believe there is separate but unequal system of justice for blacks in this country? vice pres. biden: yes, there is systemic injustice in this country. in education, in work, and in law enforcement and the way it is enforced. but the vast majority of police officers are decent, honorable men and women. they risk their lives to take care of us. but there are some bad apples and when they find them, they
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have to be sorted out. they have to be held accountable. what i'm going to do as president of the united states is called together a group of people at the white house, everything from the civil rights groups to the police officers and police chiefs, and we are going to work this out. so we changed the way in which we have more transparency. these cops aren't happy to see what happened to george floyd. these cops aren't happy to see what happened to breonna taylor. most don't like it. but we have to have a system where people are held accountable. responsey, violence in is never appropriate. peaceful protest is. violence is never appropriate. pres. trump: what is peaceful protest, when they run through the middle of the town and burn down your stores and kill people -- [crosstalk] chris: i would like to conti
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this month, your administration directed to federal agencies to end racial sensitivity trainings that address white privilege or critical race theory. why did you decide to do that, to end racial sensitivity training, and do you believe there is systemic racism in our country? pres. trump: i ended it because it is racist. a lot of people were asked to do things that were absolutely insane. it was a radical revolution taking place in our military, in our schools, all over the place, and you know it. what is radical about racial sensitivity training? pres. trump: if you were a certain person, you had no status in life. it was sort of a reversal. we would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to teach very bad ideas and frankly very sick ideas and, they were
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teaching people to hate our country. i'm not going to allow that to happen. we have to go back to the core values of this country. they were teaching people that our country is a horrible place, racist place, and they were teaching people to hate our country. vice pres. biden: nobody is doing that. [crosstalk] fact iss. biden: the there is racial insensitivity. people have to be made aware of what other people feel like, what insults them, what is demeaning to them. it's important for people to know -- many people don't want to hurt other people's feelings, but it makes a big difference. it makes a gigantic difference in the way a child is able to grow up and have a sense of self-esteem. it's a little bit how this guy and his friends looked down on so many people. they looked down on irish catholics like me who grow up in
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scranton. they looked down on people who don't have money. they look down on people who are a different color. americans. are all the only way we are going to bring this country together is to bring everyone together. and we can this on, defeat racism in america. pres. trump: during the obama-biden administration, there was division. there was hatred. you look at ferguson. look at oakland. look what happened in oakland. look what happened in baltimore. it was more violent than what i am seeing now. the democrats who run of these cities don't want to talk like you about law and order. are you in favor of law and order? [crosstalk] let him finish.
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vice pres. biden: law and order with justice where people get treated fairly, and the fact of the matter is violent crime went down 17% in our administration. it's gone up on his watch. [crosstalk] chris: mr. president, we are now going to talk about law and order. pres. trump: democratic-led cities -- chris: there's been an increase in homicides in america this summer and particularly, and you often blame that on democratic mayors and governors, but in fact there have been equivalent spikes in republican-led cities like tulsa and fort worth. is this really a party issue? pres. trump: i think it is a party issue. if you look at chicago, what is going on in chicago where 53 people were shot and eight died. if you look at new york where it's going up like nobody's ever seen anything. the numbers are going up 150%,
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200%. it's crazy what is going on, and he doesn't want to say law and order because he will lose his radical left supporters. if he ever got to run this country and they ran it the way he wants to run it -- [crosstalk] pres. trump: our suburbs would be gone. vice pres. biden: you wouldn't have seen a suburb unless you took a wrong turn. i was raised in the suburbs. this is not 1950. all of these dog whistles don't work anymore. suburbs are by and large integrated. there are many people driving their kids to soccer practice who are black and white and hispanic in the same car as there has been in any time in the past. what is a threat to the suburbs and their safety is his failure to deal with covid, his failure to deal with the environment. they are being flooded and burned out.
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that is why the suburbs are in trouble. chris: i do want to talk about this issue of law and order, and in the joint recommendation that came from the biden and bernie sanders task force you talked about "reimagining policing." what does reimagining policing the, and do you support call fores matter community control of policing? vice pres. biden: what i support is the police having the opportunity to deal with the problems they face. i am totally opposed to defunding police officers. as a matter of fact, the only one defunding police is his budget calls for a $400 million cut and local law enforcement assistance. they need more assistance. they need to have someone along with them who is a psychologist or psychiatrist to keep them
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from using force. we need to have community policing like we had before where officers get to know the people in the communities. that is when crime went down. it didn't go up. it went down. that's not what he is talking about. he is talking about defunding the police. vice pres. biden: that is not true. pres. trump: he has no law enforcement support. vice pres. biden: that is not true. pres. trump: who do you have? name one group that supports you. go ahead. think. we have time. vice pres. biden: we do not have time. gentlemen, i am going to take back the microphone. i want to get to another subject, which is the issue of protests in many cities that have turned violent. in portland, oregon, we had more than 100 straight days of protests, which i think you would agree -- many of those
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turned to riots. mr. vice president, you say that people who commit crimes should be held accountable. the question i have is, as the democratic nominee -- you said you are the democratic party right now -- have you ever called the democratic mayor of portland or the governor of oregon and said, you've got to stop this? bring in the national guard. do whatever it takes, but stop the days and months of violence in oregon. vice pres. biden: i don't hold public office now. i may former vice president. i've made it clear in my public statements that violence should be prosecuted. chris: you've never called for the -- you have never called for the leaders in portland and in oregon to call in the national guard and knock out 100 days of riots. + they can take care of it if -- vice pres. biden: they can take
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care of it if he would stay out of the way. man in the middle of the street, they shot him. -- go president trump ahead, sir. vice pres. biden: his former spokesperson said, riots and chaos and violence help his cause. that is what this is all about. pres. trump: i don't know who said this. kellyanne biden: conway. she said this. here's the point. the point is he keeps trying to rile everything up. he doesn't want to calm things down. instead of going in and talking to people and saying, let's figure out how to deal with this, what does he do? he pours gasoline on the fire constantly. button up this segment, i'm going to give you an answer, sir. pres. trump: i have to answer his statement. chris: you've been talking.
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you know what? if you want to switch seats, we can do that. pres. trump: the national guard will be over there. no problem. they don't want to accept the national guard. chris: you have criticized the vice president not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing groups, but are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in kenosha and portland? pres. trump: i am willing to do that. vice pres. biden: do it. pres. trump: i would say almost everything i see is from the left-wing, not the right-wing. chris:chris: what are you saying? vice pres. biden: do it. say it. pres. trump: what do you want to call them? chris: white supremacists. boys, stand proud back and stand by, but i'll tell
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you what. somebody has to do something about antifa and the left. this is not a right-wing problem. vice pres. biden: his own fbi director said white supremacists -- antifa is an idea, not an organization. that is his fbi director. chris: gentlemen, we are done. [crosstalk] vice pres. biden: everybody in your administration who tells you the truth is a bad idea. you have no idea. pres. trump: antifa is a dangerous, radical group. they will overthrow you. chris: i'm going to ask a question. when a president seeks a second term, it is generally a referendum on his record, but vice president biden you like to quote one of your dad's sayings which is, don't compare me to the almighty. compare me to the alternative. in this case, you are the alternative. looking at both of your records,
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i am going to ask each of you, why should voters elect to you president over your opponent? president trump, you go first. pres. trump: because there has never been an administration or president who has done more than i've done in a period of 3.5 years, and that is despite the impeachment hoax. you sell what happened today with hillary clinton where it was a big con job, but despite going through all of these things, fighting both flanks behind me and above, there has never been an administration that has done what i've done. before covid came in, greatest economy in history, lowest unemployment numbers everything was good. there was unity going to happen. people were calling me and saying, it's time may be, but then we got hit. a real beating of the military, including space force and all of the other things. a fixing of the v.a., which was
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a mess under him. 300-8000 people died because they didn't have proper health care. we've now got a 91% approval rating at the v.a. we take care of our vets, but we have built -- rebuilt our military. by the end of the first term, i will have approximately 300 federal judges and court of appeals judges. hopefully, three great supreme court judges. that is a record the likes of which are very few people -- you know one of the reasons why i will have so many judges? president obama and him left me 128 judges to fill. when you leave office, you don't leave any judges. , and if i128 openings were a member of his party, because they have a different philosophy, i would say if you left us 128 openings, you can't
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be a good president. you can't be a good vice president, but i want to thank you. it will probably be above that number. 300 judges, it's a record. chris: looking at both of your records, why should voters elect you president as opposed to president trump? vice pres. biden: under this president, we have become weaker, sicker, poorer, more divided, and more violent. when i was vice president, we inherited a recession. i was asked to fix it. we did. we left him a booming economy, and he caused a recession. with regard to weaker, i've gone head-to-head with putin and made it clear to him we aren't going to take any of his stuff. he is putin's puppy. he refuses to say anything about the bounty on the heads of american soldiers. mr. president, your campaign agreed that both sides
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would get to and it answers uninterrupted. your side agreed to it. why don't you observe what your campaign agreed to? vice pres. biden: he never keeps his word. chris: i'm not asking. that was a rhetorical question. vice pres. biden: can i have 30 seconds? chris: yes. vice pres. biden: thirdly, we are poorer. the billionaires have gotten much more wealthy by a tune of over $400 billion more since covid. you are in more trouble than you were before. in terms of being more violent, when we were in office, there was 15% less violence in america than there is today. he is president of the united states. it is on his watch. with regard to more divided, the nation can't stay divided. speaking of my son, the way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers
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and being suckers, my son was in iraq. he spent a year there. he got the bronze star. he was not a loser. he was a patriot, and the people left behind were heroes. i'm talking of my son beau biden. pres. trump: i know hunter. i don't know beau. hunter got thrown out of the military. he was dishonorably discharged, cocaine use. he didn't have a job until you became vice president. vice pres. biden: none of that is true. pres. trump: he made a fortune in ukraine, moscow. vice pres. biden: that is not true. my son, like a lot of people, like a lot of people i know at home, had a drug problem. he has overtaken it. he has fixed it. i am proud of him. pres. trump: why was he given tens of millions of dollars? vice pres. biden: he wasn't
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given tens of millions of dollars. that has been totally discredited. chris: we have already been through this. i think people would rather hear about more substantive subjects. as the moderator, i'm going to make a judgment call. pres. trump: $3.5 million in moscow -- vice pres. biden: that is not true. the report is discredited. was writtensaid it for political reasons. chris: i would like to talk about climate change. vice pres. biden: so would i. chris: the forest fires in the west are raging now. they have burned millions of acres. they have displaced hundreds of thousands of people. when state officials blamed the fires on climate change, you said, i don't think the science knows. over your four years, you have pulled the u.s. out of the paris climate accord. you have rolled back a number of obama environmental records. what do you believe about the
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science of climate change, and what will you do in the next four years to confront it? pres. trump: i want crystal clean water and air. air.t beautiful clean we have the lowest carbon. if you look at our numbers now, we are doing phenomenally. i haven't destroyed our businesses. our businesses aren't put out of commission. if you look at the paris accord, it was a disaster from our standpoint, and people are happy about what is going on because our businesses are doing well. as far as the fires are concerned, you need forest management. up forest floors are rooted -- loaded up with trees, and they are like tender. leaves and everything else, you drop a cigarette in there. the whole thing goes up. chris: what do you believe of the science of climate change? pres. trump: i believe we need to do everything we can to have immaculate air and water. we are planting one billion
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trees, the billion tree project. chris: can you explain that human pollution and greenhouse gas emissions contribute to the global warming of the climate? yes, trump: to an extent, but i also think we have to do better management of our forests. call,year, i get the california is burning. california is burning. you hadwas cleaned, if forest management, good forest management, you wouldn't be getting those calls. in europe they live in forest cities. they manage their forests. i was with the head of a major country. city.a forest he said, sir, we have trees that are far more -- they ignite easier than california. there shouldn't be that problem. i spoke with the governor about that. can't, at some point, you every year have hundreds of thousands of acres of land just burnt to the ground.
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that is burning down because of a lack of -- chris: do you believe in the science of climate change? why have you rolled back the clean power plan, which limited carbon emissions in power plants? pres. trump: because it was driving energy prices through the sky. chris: why have you relaxed fuel economy standards that are going to create more pollution? pres. trump: not really. what is happening is the car is much less expensive and a much safer car, and you are talking about a tiny difference. because of the cost of the car, you would have at least double and triple the number of cars purchased. we have the old slugs out there that are 10, 12 years old. if you did that, the car would be safer. chris: in california, they have ignored it. pres. trump: they are taking cars off the market. by the way, we are going to see how that turns out, but a lot of people agree with me. the car has gotten so expensive because they have computers all
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over the place for an extra bit of gasoline. i am ok with electric cars, too. i've given big incentives for electric cars, but what they have done in california is just crazy. chris: vice president biden, i would like you to respond to the presidents climate change record, but i also want to ask you about $2 trillion in green jobs. you talk about new limits on fracking, ending the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity by 2035, and zero out net greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. the president says a lot of these things would tank the economy and cost millions of jobs. vice pres. biden: he's absolutely wrong, number one. theer two, when i was in obama-biden administration, i was able to bring down the cost to the priceenergy of coal, gas, and oil.
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nobody is going to build another coal-fired plant in america. no one is going to build another oil-fired plant in america. they are going to move to renewable energy. we want to make sure we take the federal fleet and turn it into a fleet run on electric vehicles. to make sure we can do that, we are going to put 500,000 charging stations on all the highways we are going to be building. we are going to build an economy that is going to provide for the ability of us to take 4 million buildings and make sure that they are weatherized in a way that they will emit significantly less gas and oil because the heat won't be going out. there are so many things we can do now to create thousands of jobs. we can get to net zero in terms 2035 not production by only not costing people jobs, but creating jobs, creating millions of good paying jobs,
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not $15 per hour, but prevailing wage by having a new infrastructure that is green. the first thing i will do, i will rejoin the paris accord. i will join the paris accord because with us out of it, look what is happening. it is all falling apart. talk about somebody who has no relationship with foreign policy. the rain forests of brazil are being ripped down. more carbon is absorbed in that rain forest than every bit of carbon emitted in the united states. instead of doing something about that, i would be gathering up and making sure we had the countries of the world coming up here's0 billion to say, $20 billion. stop tearing down the forest, and if you don't, you are going to have significant economic consequences. chris: what about the argument that president trump basically says that you have to balance environmental interests and economic interests? he has drawn his line.
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vice pres. biden: he hasn't drawn a line. he wants to make sure methane is not a problem. you can now emit more methane without a problem. methane! this is a guy who says you don't have to have mileage standards for automobiles that exist now. this is a guy who says -- the fact is it's all true. pres. trump: it is $100 trillion. they want to rip down buildings and rebuild the buildings. airplanes are out of business. two-car systems are out. they want to take out the cows. vice pres. biden: not true. pres. trump: that's more money than our country could make in 100 years. chris: wait a minute. i actually have studied your plan, and it includes upgrading 4 million buildings, whether
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arising 2 million homes over four years, building 1.5 million energy efficient homes. the question becomes, the president is saying, some people who support the president would say -- it sounds like it is going to cost a lot of money and hurt the economy. vice pres. biden: it's going to create thousands and millions of jobs. chris: let him finish. pres. trump: he doesn't know how to do that. -- vice pres. biden: he doesn't know how to do that. the fact is there are tax incentives for people to weatherize. look how much we are paying now to deal with the hurricanes. he has an answer for hurricanes. he said maybe we should drop a nuclear weapon on them. pres. trump: i never said that. vice pres. biden: here's the deal. we are going to be in a position where we can create hard, good jobs by making sure the environment is clean and we are all in better shape.
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we've spent billions of dollars now on floods, hurricanes, rising seas. we are in real trouble. look what has happened in the midwest. these storms have come through and wiped out entire sections and counties in iowa. they didn't happen before. they are because of global warming. we make up 15% of the world's problem. world, we've got to get them to come along. that's why we've got to get back into the paris accord. pres. trump: why didn't he do it for 47 years? why didn't you get the world? china sends real dirt. russia does. india does. they all do. he made a couple of statements. the green new deal is $100 trillion. vice pres. biden: that is not my plan. pres. trump: he said i said something about the military. he and his friends made it up,
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and then they went with it. i never said it. he called the military stupid. he said stupid bastards. chris: i said stop. mr. vice president, answer his final question. vice pres. biden: the final question is, i can't remember which one of his rants. chris:chris: i'm having trouble myself. vice pres. biden: about the economy and the question of what it is going to cost. chris: the green new deal. vice pres. biden: the green new deal will pay for itself as we move forward. we aren't going to build plants that are polluting plants. chris: do you support the green new deal? vice pres. biden: i don't support the green new deal. pres. trump: that's a big statement. you just dropped the radical left. vice pres. biden: i support the biden plan that i put forward,
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which is different from what he calls the radical green new deal. chris: final segment. election integrity. as we meet tonight, millions of americans are receiving mail-in ballots or going to vote early. thatonfident should we be this will be a fair election, and what are you prepared to do over the next five-plus weeks, because it will not only be election day but counting some mail-in ballots after election day -- what are you prepared to do to reassure the american people that the next president will be the legitimate winner of the us election? vice pres. biden: let people vote. go to iwillvote.com. decide how they are going to vote and by which means they are going to vote. his homeland security director and fbi director said there is no evidence that mail-in ballots are a source of being
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manipulated and cheating. they said that. there are going to be millions of people because of covid who are going to be voting by mail-in ballots, like he does, by the way. he sits behind the resolute desk and sends his ballot to florida. number two, we are going to make sure the people who want to vote that with pollo workers there to make sure they are socially distanced. this is all about trying to dissuade people from voting because he is trying to scare people into thinking it is not going to be legitimate. show up and vote. you will determine the outcome of this election. vote, vote, vote. if you are able to vote early, vote early. if you are able to vote in person, vote in person. you.which ever way for he cannot stop you from being able to determine the outcome of this election, and in terms of whether or not when the votes are counted, that will be accepted.
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if i win, that will be accepted. if i lose, that will be accepted. by the way, if he says he's not sure of what he's going to accept, it doesn't matter. if we get the votes, he's going to go. he can't stay in power. it won't happen. vote. just make sure you understand you have it in your control to determine what this country is going to look like the next four years. is it going to change? or are you going to get four more years of these lies? chris: mr. president, two minutes. pres. trump: when i listen to joe talk about a transition, there has been no transition/ if you look at crooked hillary clinton and the different people , there was no transition because they came after me trying to do a coup, spying on my campaign. from the dayi won, i came down the escalator with they were ady,
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disaster and disgrace to the country. we caught them all. we got it all on tape. you gave the idea for the logan act against general flynn. we caught you, president obama knew about it too. don't tell me about a free transition. as far as the ballots are concerned, it's a disaster. a solicited ballot is ok. you are asking, they send it back, you send it back. i did that. they are sending millions of ballots all over the country. there is fraud, they found them in creeks, they found them with the name trump in a wastepaper basket. they are being sent all over the place. they sent to any democrat area. they sent out 1000 ballots and everybody got two ballots. this will be a fraud like you have never seen. on november 3 you are watching and you see who won the election.
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we will do well because people are happy with the job we have done. we might not know for months because these ballots will be all over. look at what happened in manhattan, new jersey, virginia and other places. they are not losing 2%, 1% -- which is too much. are losing.they it's a fraud and a shame. -- can youss in imagine when they say you have to have your ballot in by november 10. that seven days after the election. should have been announced. we have major -- all run by democrats. you areresident trump, going to be able to continue. you have been charging for months that mail-in ballot will be a disaster. willay it's rigged and lead to fraud. but in 2018, the last midterm election, all ready one million people voted mail-in voting.
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that was more than a quarter of all the voters that year who cast their ballots by mail. now that millions of mail in ballots have gone out, what are you going to do about it, and are you counting on the supreme court, including justice amy coney barrett to settle this? counting on i am them to look at the ballots. we don't need them in terms of the election. but for the ballots, i think so. i just read today that we are at least 1% of the ballots for 2016 that were invalidated. they take them, we don't like them. chris: there are millions of ballots going out right now. pres. trump: you do a solicited ballot. chris: i don't care. i am asking you about the fact that millions of people should -- pres. trump: you go and vote like they used to in the old -- you either do a solicited ballot. did you seeilman --
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-- take a look at west virginia. mailman selling the ballots. sold, dumped in rivers. this is horrible for the country. vice pres. biden: there is no evidence of that. pres. trump: this is not going to end well. this will not end well. yous: -- vice pres. biden: have done five mail-in ballots. you don't have to solicit the ballot, it is sent to your home. they are saying there has to be a postmark by election day. if it does not get in until the seventh, eighth, ninth, it should still be counted. he is afraid of counting the votes. pres. trump: you are wrong. chris: i want to continue with you on this, vice president biden. vice president biden, the biggest problem, over the years with mail-in voting has not been fraud, it has been that hundreds of thousands of ballots
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are thrown out because they have not been properly filled out, or some other irregularity. the question i have is, are you concerned that the supreme court with a just disparate would settle any dispute -- justice barratt would settle any dispute? vice pres. biden: when you get a ballot and fill it out, you are supposed to have an affidavit. -- if ind be able to fact you can verify before the ballot is thrown out, that is sufficient to count the ballot because somebody made a mistake and not dotting the correct eye. who they voted for, testify, say who they voted for, say it's you, that is totally legitimate. chris: gentlemen, i have a final question. its. trump: you do know cannot be done. you know it can't and already -- chris: gentlemen. pres. trump: 80 million ballots.
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chris: in eight states, election workers are prohibited, currently by law, eight states, from even beginning to process ballots, even take them out of the envelopes until election day. that means that it's likely, because there will be a huge increase in mail-in balloting, that we will not know on election night who the winner is. it could be days, could be weeks and months until we find out who the new president is. for the vice president, i hope neither of you will interrupt the other, will you urge her supporters to stay calm during this extended period, not to engage in any civil unrest? and will you pledge tonight that you will not declare victory until the election has been independently certified? president trump, you go first. pres. trump: i am urging my supporters to go into the polls
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and watch very carefully, because that is what has to happen. i emerging them to do it. today there was a problem. in philadelphia they went in to watch. they are poll watchers. they were thrown out. there were not allowed to watch. do you know why? because bad things happen in philadelphia. that beings. -- bad things. i am urging my people -- chris: urging what? see tens of if i thousands of ballots being manipulated, i cannot go along with that. it means you have a fraudulent election. 80 million ballots. they are not equipped -- these people are not equipped to handle it. number two, they cheat. they cheat. they found ballots in a waste paper basket three days ago, military ballots, they all had the name trump on them. vice president biden,
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final question for you. will you urge her supporters to stay call mall the vote is counted? to will you pledge not declare victory until the election is independently certified? vice pres. biden: yes. ballots.ount the some of these ballots in some states cannot even be opened until election day. by the way, our military has been voting by ballots since the end of the civil war. that is what's going to happen. why is it somehow not fraudulent. it's the same process. it's honest. no one has a at all that there is fraud related to mail in ballots. that somehow it's a fraudulent process. pres. trump: it's already been established. chris: you have an opportunity to respond. go ahead. vice pres. biden: he has no idea what he's talking about. the fact is, i will except it and he will too.
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do you know why? once the winner is declared after all the ballots are counted, that will be the end of it. and if it's me, and if it's not me i will support the outcome. justl be a president not for the democrats, i will be a president for democrats and republicans. chris: gentlemen, that's the end of it. we are going to leave it there. to be continued in more debates as we go on. bidenent trump, president -- vice president biden it has been an interesting hour and a half. take you for participating in the first of three debates you agreed to riches abate in. we want to thank case western reserve for hosting this debate. the next debate will be one week from tomorrow, october 7 at the university of utah. the two vice presidential nominees, vice president mike
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pence and senator, kamala harris will debate at 9:00 p.m. eastern that night. we hope you watch. until then, thank you and good night. [applause] [applause] [applause]
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