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congresswoman deb haaland to serve as interior secretary. at her confirmation hearing, she answered questions about oil and gas production and the use of federally owned land. representative holland was first elected to congress in 2018. if confirmed, she would be the first native american to head the interior department.
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>> the committee meets today to consider the nomination of representative debra haaland to be secretary of the interior. it's so good to see her here. and she has the honorable don young with her, a dear friend to committee. we want to thank you for being here thorning and for your willingness to serve in this important position. before we proceed, i would like to welcome four new members to the committee. although this is not the hearing this congress, it is the first one since the senate appointed new members. on the democratic side, we are pleased to welcome senator mark kellie of arizona and senator john hickenlooper of colorado. on the republican side, we are pleased to recognize senator james lankford. to ensure energy security and the wide stewardship of natural
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resources. we look forward to working with all four of our new members in carrying on this tradition in the most bipartisan cooperation way. the role of the secretary nearly 130 years ago, the supreme court described the secretary of interior as the guardian of the people of the united states over the public lands. but the court's description barely scratches the surface of the broad scope of the secretary's responsibilities. the secretary responsible for managing more than 480 million surface acres, near 1/5 the land area of the united states, 700 million acre of subsurface minerals, and 2.5 billion acres of the outer continental shelf. over 400 national parks, over 100 national monuments, and over 500 wild life refuge along with over 300 reservoirs that supply
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water to people and irrigate farm land. the lands managed produce nearly 20% of the nation's energy that is critical for energy independence including 12% of our natural gas, 24% of our oil, 43% of our coal, half of our geothermal energy and much of our wind, solar and hydro power. >> do you want this job? >> those public lands also generate $12 billion for the federal treasury. they support 1.8 million jobs and contribute an estimated $315 billion to the u.s. economy. the secretary also maintained government to government relations with 574 indian tribes, holds in trust 56 million acres of indian trust lands, provides educational services to ten of thousands of native american students in 23 states. in addition the secretary is responsible for reclaiming thousand of abandoned coal sites, paying health benefits to
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minors, overseeing, geological survey and protecting thousands of endangered and threatened species from extinction. finally the secretary oversees 70,000 employees in the department of the interior and annual budget of over $21 billion. it is an enormous and important job and it is critical that the secretary be ready to talk on the management of the department and have a deep understanding of the many issues under purview. president biden in representing representative haaland expresses his confidence that he is up to the task and that she will be a true steward of our parks, natural resources and all of our lands. representative haaland represents the first congressional district of new mexico in the house of representatives. she served as the vice chairman of the house committee on natural resources and as the chair of the subcommittee on national parks, forests and public lands during the last congress. as a former governor, i believe a president should be given wide
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latitude in the selection of his or her cabinet but i also take the obligation to advise and consent to the president's nomination seriously. like many of my colleagues, i look forward to hearing from representative haaland today and getting to know more about her views and the policies and programs she will pursue if confirmed to this important position. i will now recognize senator barrasso to make an opening statement. >> today our committee is considering the nomination of representative deb haaland who served as the secretary of interior. first, mr. chair, i would like to join you in welcoming the four new members of the committee, and i'm looking forward to their active participation in all our deliberations. since 2019 congresswoman haaland has represented new mexico's first congressional district, which includes most of albuquerque and several surrounding pe blows and suburbs. if confirmed, she would be the first native american cabinet
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secretary. her nomination is historic and deserves to be recognized. at the same time i am troubled by many of representative haaland's views, views that in my home state of wyoming would consider as radical. the secretary of interior is critically important to my home state of wyoming and the entire west. if confirmed as secretary of interior, representative haaland would lead an agency with more than 70,000 employees. these employees manage 20% of the nation's lands including our national parks, national monuments, wild life refuges, multiple use lands and other -- and the entire outer continental shelf. they also serve as managers of the largest water supply in the west. the secretary's responsibility includes upholding our nation's trust responsibilities to 574 federally recognized american indian tribes and alaskan natives. the secretary also has important responsibilities related to the u.s. territories and freely
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associated states. one of the secretary's most critical functions is to oversee the development of traditional and renewable energy supplies on public lands and waters. in wyoming we're proud to be america's leading producer of coal, uranium, betanite. wyoming ranks number one in federal production of natural gas and number two in the federal oil production. almost 50% of wyoming's surface area and 69% of wyoming's minerals are owned by the federal government. the collective size of the surface area owned by the federal government in wyoming is, mr. chairman, larger than the entire state of west virginia. >> that was -- that was for informational. >> we'll get alaska here in a moment, but go ahead. >> i'm in trouble right now. >> energy production on public land creates good paying jobs. it provides tremendous revenue for our state. in wyoming, energy on department
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of interior land had a $17.3 billion economic impact in fiscal 2019. for years the state of wyoming has collected over a billion dollars annually in royalties and taxes from oil, gas and coal produced on federal lands within our borders. and wyoming isn't the only state that benefits from energy production on public lands n. representative haaland's home state of new mexico, energy and mineral activity on department of interior lands contributed $21 billion in fiscal year 2019. new mexico collected on an annual basis over a billion dollars from royalty and taxes from lands produced. we shouldn't undermine america's energy production and we should not hurt our own economy. yet that's precisely what the biden administration is doing by signing an executive order to ban all new oil, coal, gas leases on federal lands, the president is taking a sledge
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hammer to western states' economies. a ban could result in 33,000 workers losing their jobs in wyoming. 62,000 workers stand to lose their jobs. our states will lose hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue that is used for essential services including hundreds of millions of dollars in services. the biden administration's moratorium robs our children of their vital education funding, and the senate agrees. on february 4th, the senate voted 98-2 for my amendment in an effort to restore the hundreds of millions of education dollars that will be lost to biden administration policies. in his first month in office, president biden has declared war on american energy, crushed jobs and threatened vital education funds for our children. representative haaland's past statement show she agrees with this strategy. in may of 2019 representative haaland said unequivocally in an
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interview, quote, i am wholeheartedly against fracking and drilling on public lands. on her campaign website, representative haaland said, we need to, quote, keep fossil fuels in the ground, and then went on to say, i pledge to vote against all new fossil fuel infrastructure, close quote. representative haaland's positions are squarely at odds with the mission of the department of interior. that mission includes managing our nation's oil, gas and coal resources in a responsible manner, not eliminating access to them. now, i'm willing to work with representative haaland and the biden administration to conserve our national parks and our monuments, to uphold our nation's trust responsibilities and to protect multiple use of oour public lands. but if representative haaland intends to use the department of the interior to crush the economy of wyoming and other western states, then i'm going to oppose the nomination. today's hearings gives us an opportunity to hear directly
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from congresswoman haaland and get more clarity regarding her views and vision for the department of the severe r i don't. thank you, mr. chairman. i look forward to her testimony. >> i'm going recognize senator heinrich. >> thank you, chairman. like our colleagues i want to welcome our new members. it's good to see a few more westerners joining the committee. it is both my pleasure and my honor to introduce my colleague from new mexico, my representative in the house of representatives and president biden's nominee for secretary of the interior, congresswoman deb haaland. she is a member of the pueblo laguna, a 35th generation new mexican. and as many have noted, she will make history if confirmed as the first native american cabinet secretary, frankly something
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that should have happened a long, long time ago. she grew up in a military family. her father was a decorated marine combat veteran and her mother is a navy veteran. she grew up with many kids with parents in the military moving frequently and attending 13 different public schools over the course of her childhood. before being elected to congress, she owned her own business, was the chair of the board of a tribally owned business and served as the tribal administrator for the pueblo of san felipe. she knows first hand now the decisions we make here in washington affect communities across the country, especially in rural and western states. as representative of the first district of new mexico, congresswoman haaland has served as the vice chairwoman on resources and the subcommittee of parks, forests and public lands. she demonstrated her commitment to work across party lines.
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of all the members of congress newly elected in 2018 she introduced the most bills with bipartisan cosponsors. i have no doubt her bipartisan experience and her leadership will help us restore our nation-to-nation relationship to indian country and make conservation of outdoor recreation a key part of our national ec no, ma'am uk recovery. what we've learned over the last several years is that our relationship to our public lands and our loyalty to america's special places has the ability to unite us all. americans want more equitable access to public lands, environmental justice, solutions for the climate crisis, protection of wild life and clean water, and they want rural economic development. congresswoman haaland also understands that confronting the climate crisis, not denying it, and transforming our economy will not come without costs and
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trade-offs. that is especially true for fossil fuel workers, including many new mexicans who have long-powered our economy. i see congresswoman haaland as a true partner for states like ours as we diversify our economy, invest in our communities and remain a global leader in producing and exporting energy. i am confident congresswoman haaland will use the best available science to restore our landscapes, open up new outdoor recreation opportunities for everyone, put our public lands to work in confronting the climate crisis and help indian country recover and rebuild from covid-19. i am eager to support her confirmation so he can get to work protecting our natural heritage for future generations, and i sincerely hope that the other members of this committee will join me in supporting her nomination. thank you, mr. chair. >> thank you, senator. now i'm going to introduce don young, our friend from the other
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side of the aisle, if you will. i'll have him introduce representative haaland. >> thank you, mr. chairman manchin and mr. barrasso, ranking member and all members of the committee. you may be wondering why i'm doing this. i am here because debbie and i became friends when she was the chairman of the lance committee and i was the ranking member on it. and i've had her reach across and talk about issues that affect alaska and other areas. if you don't know, i'll give you a little history. i'm the oldest member of both bodies. i have served with ten presidents and 15 secretaries of interior. there's not much i don't and have not seen. i have a theory because i'm a mariner that the captain of the ship has the right to choose who he has as his crew. i'm not always agreed with the secretaries of interior, but i will say that's the responsibility of the president. president biden has chosen deb, and she is accepted, and i would suggest respectfully you'll find
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out that she will listen to you. she may not change. she and i do not agree on carbon fuels. you know that. we've said this before. but it's my job to try to convince her that she is not all right and her job to convince me i'm not all right. that's the important part about the secretary. also to keep in mind that another reason i'm supporting her, she is an american indian. i am quite proud of that fact. i'm close to my alaskan natives and american indians, and i mentioned about the long-time overdue, should have been a secretary of interior long before. we were fortunate to have morris thompson, a friend of mine, as a ba director, and we had tara sweeney as director. but always the bia has been under the -- i call it under the top of the park service and all the other agencies under the department of the interior. they were actually forgotten. and i think that will bring a
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new role to this that she has an interest. of course she is one. and she'll be able to raise the american indian, the first americans to the position i think they can be and have achieved in the state of alaska. for that, i'm very proud of it. you know, i heard her introduced by the other members some of the things she's done. she worked with me. she is across the aisle. we introduced the indian buffalo management act, passed. the progress act, passed. the missing and murdered indigenous women act, passed. this is bipartisan. so, she's been able to do that. and i would suggest respectfully that her belonging to a pueblo would be beneficial to working with the secretary of the interior. huge responsibility. huge amounts of lands. accessibility is crucial to me. we've had previous secretaries
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of interior that really disallow access. i'm saying that's inappropriate. i want to her to consider there are many accesses to the lands that don't just take pictures. i love to hunt. everybody says that's terrible. it's management of the game. i want her to understand a lot of these lands we're prohibited of might be accessible for management of fish and wild life. i will say i think she is a friend and as a member of this administration, she'll do a good job. she'll work for us, and she'll reach across the aisle. i have a lot, by the way, at stake here. i an oil-producing state too. and we lost a lot of jobs not because of deb. we lost because of the president signing an executive order. really a hardship on us. we're trying to explain if we have people in the department of interior such as deb, maybe there will be a balance. anybody that says you're going to call fossil fuel, that's
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smoking pot, which is legal in the state of alaska, by the way. they don't realize owning 19% of a barrel of oil is used for propulsion. the rest of it, if you look around this room, including that rug, all kinds of different uses. coal and oil molecules are the biggest structure elements we have in our society today. and i know this is being done because of climate change. i recognize that. but that won't solve the problem. if we're going to do this, we have to work on it gradually. we'll find out all this -- all different sources of energy may not be the best in the world, like they did in texas. i want the secretary, as she's confirmed -- i hope you do confirm her -- understand there's a broad picture here and her job is to understand it's no longer a little cartoon. this is the big picture, and she'll have to have the responsibility to do the job i know she can do. and i urge a confirmation of deb for the secretary of interior. and thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, congressman. and you are more than welcome to stay if you would like to. if not, we understand you probably have a pressing
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schedule. >> you're through with me? thank you. >> thank you. the rules of the committee, which apply to all nominees require they be sworn in in connection with their testimony. if you would rise and raise your right hand, congresswoman. do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give to the senate committee on energy and natural resources shall be the truth, the whole truth and not the truth? >> absolutely. >> you may be seated. i'm going to ask you three questions addressed to each nominee before this committee. will you be available to appear before the committee and other congressional committees to represent department positions and respond to issues of concern to the congress? >> yes, chairman. >> are you aware of any personal holdings, investments or interests that could constitute a conflict of interest or create the appearance of such a conflict should you be confirmed and assume the office to which
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you have been nominated by the president? >> no, chairman. >> are you involved or do you have any assets held in a blind trust? >> no, sir. >> thank you. we're going to start with our questions now, and i'll take the liberty of asking a few questions. and we'll -- oh, i'm so sorry. you go ahead and make your opening statement. then we'll move to the questions. >> thank you. thank you very much -- >> the chairman is just getting used to this job. >> chairman manchin, ranking member barrasso, members of the committee, thank you so much for having me here today. i wouldn't be here without the love and support of my child, my partner who is with me this morning sitting behind me, my mom who is watching from pueblo, my extended family and generations of ancestors who sacrificed so much so i could be here today. i acknowledge that we are on the
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ancestral homelands. as many of you know, my story is unique. although today i serve as a member of congress and was a vice chair of the house natural resources committee, if confirmed i would be the first native american to serve as cabinet secretary. this historic nature of my confirmation is not lost on me, but i will say it's not about me. rather, i hope this nomination would be an inspiration for americans moving forward together as one nation and creating opportunities for all of us. as the daughter of a pueblo woman, i was taught to value hard work. my mother, as a navy veteran, was a civil servant at the bureau of indian education for 25 years, and she raised four kids as a military wife. my dad, the grandson of immigrants, was a 30-year career marine who served in vietnam. he received the silver star and is buried at arlington national
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cemetery. i spent summers in our small village, the location of my grandparent's traditional home. it was there that i learned about my culture from my grandmother by watching her cook and participating in traditional feast days and ceremonies. it was in the cornfields with my grandfather where i learned the importance of water and protecting our resources where i gained a deep respect for the earth. as a military family we moved every few years when i was a kid. but no matter where we lived, my dad taught me and my siblings to appreciate nature whether on a trail or walking along the beach. i'm not a strange tore the struggles many families across america face today. i've lived most of my adult life paycheck to paycheck. i've pieced together health care and relied on food stamps to put
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food on the table. it's because of these struggles that i fully understand the role interior must play in the president's plan to build back better, to responsibly manage our natural resources, to protect them for future generations so that we can continue to work, live, hunt, fish and pray among them. i understand how important the department is for all the stakeholders who rely on it and the communities whose economies are connected to it. i know the bipartisan accomplishments of this committee stand out in congress. your work led to interior having significant resources and authorities especially with the great outdoors pack. i will work collaboratively with all members of this committee to ensure these acts are implemented well. as chair of the subcommittee on national parks, forests and public lands, i also worked on these issues in congress and listened to all of my colleagues and constituents about ways to
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improve management of the department. i am proud of the bipartisan manner in which we moved these bills through by subcommittee and to the house floor. as i've learned in this role, there's no question that fossil energy does and will continue to play a major role in america for years to come. i know how important oil and gas revenues are to critical services, but we must also recognize that the energy industry is innovating and our climate challenge must be addressed. together we can work to position our nation and all of its people for success in the future. and i am committed to working cooperatively with all stakeholders and all of congress to strike the right balance going forward. as part of this balance, the department has a role in harnessing the clean energy potential of our public lands and to create jobs and in new
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economic opportunities. the president's agenda demonstrates that america's public lands can and should be clean production. president biden also knows that restoring and conserving our lands through a civilian climate core has the potential to spur job creation. if confirmed i will work my heart out for everyone. the families for fossil fuel workers who helped build our country, ranchers and farmers who care deeply for their lands, community with legacies of toxic pollution, people of color whose stories deserve to be heard and those who want jobs of the future. i vow to lead the interior department ethically and with honor and integrity. i will listen to and work with members of congress on both sides of the aisle. i will support interior's public servants and be a careful steward of taxpayer dollars. i will ensure that the interior department's decisions are based on science. i will honor the sovereignty of tribal nations and recognize their part in america's story.
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and i'll be a fierce advocate for our public lands. i believe we all have a stake in the future of oour country, and i believe that every one of us, republicans, democrats and independents shares a common bond. our love for the outdoors and a desire and obligation to keep our nation livable for future generations. i carry my life experiences with me everywhere i go. it's those experiences that give me hope for the future. if an indigenous woman from humble beginnings can be confirmed as secretary of the interior, our country holds promise for everyone. finally, i want to give special thanks to you, chairman manchin, for calling this hearing today and for sharing with me the issues and needs of the people you represent in west virginia. if confirmed, i will listen to all of the people represented by members of this committee and this congress. i am grateful for your time today, and i am ready to serve. and thank you, senator heinrich,
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for your kind introduction. and i look forward to your questions. >> thank you, congresswoman, haaland. and now we will begin our questions. congresswoman, the united states became a net total energy exporter in 2019. it's the first time in 67 years we've been in that position, partly due to the surge in domestic oil and gas production. and in your opening statement you know false energy does and will continue to play a major role in america for years to come. do you believe it's best to maintain our energy independence? and what role do you see fossil energy playing in that? >> thank you chairman for that question. yes, of course, we absolutely need energy independence. i believe president biden agrees with that statement as well. i know that we want to move forward with some clean energy. we want to get to net zero. and as the chairwoman of the
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subcommittee on parks, forests and public lands, yes 25% of our carbon comes from our public lands. i think as we move forward with the technology that you and i spoke about when we had our conversation, we want to move forward with innovation and all of this for our energy needs. so, i think that's not going to happen overnight. we will absolutely rely on the fossil energy that you and the ranking member spoke about in your opening statements. but at the same time, i think we can move forward with the technology and innovation as well. >> i think you pretty much know my position on that. basically i'm totally committed to innovation, not elimination. i think we can do it in a practical or responsible way. i said in my opening statement, the department of interior is a massive, a massive, agency as you have just heard the responsibilities that come with being head of that agency.
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what are your top prioritys that you see might need to be changed or that you would like to have for your leadership? >> thank you, senator. thank you, chairman. well, of course i feel -- as i mentioned in my opening statement, my mom was a federal employee for 25 years. i value the dedication of our career employees. and i believe very strongly that we need to make sure that we are appreciating them the way they should be appreciated so they can do their jobs. i want very much to make sure that everyone's working together. with respect to clean energy, yes, that's absolutely a priority of president biden. the core that i know that will engage tens of thousands of americans in the work of restoring our public lands is also important, and if i will say with respect to indian
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country, i worked very hard in congress in my first term on broadband internet. and i think that during this pandemic we have seen the disparities that a lot of communities face, as that has unfolded. broadband internet service, and of course i will say with respect to indian country, missing and murdered indigenous women, grateful for the help of senators on this side of the capitol who have helped me move that issue forward. i think we've -- with two bills passing, that's the tip of the iceberg. >> let me say, since 1977, coal company since i'm very familiar with the coal companies that work in those areas, they've paid a fee for every type of coal they've had to fund. we called the alm program. if confirmed you will oversee the agency that administers the program and the office of surface, mining, reclamation.
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with that the hard rock mining hasn't had changes in their laws since 1872. they don't adhere to the same restrictions we do. we've talked about basically making those changes that are most responsible and most needed. we're not hindering any company whatsoever except we have an awful lot of hard rock mining that's gone left unclaimed and unrestored that can be put back in productive use. so, i just want to know if confirmed to secretary, do you intend to continue supporting the extension of the aml money -- a lot of people want to eliminate that. and do you support extending those fees for additional 15 years? that's what we're talking about to take care of all the abandoned lines. and would you be receptive to look at the hard rock mining to make sure they come into compliance to talk care of their responsibilities? >> thank you, chairman. and yes, i am very familiar with
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abandoned mines. and we have a lot of them in new mexico, particularly on the navajo nation. and we've seen that it's polluted water. and so i agree wholeheartedly that we need the resources to make sure we are protecting the health and safety of our fellow americans. and so i look forward to working with you on this issue, and i just -- yes. i think that if we have the resources to clean those things up, that it'll make life easier for everybody. >> thank you, congresswoman, i have many more questions but my time is us up. >> thanks so much senator manchin. i would like to follow up with some things senator manchin started with. yes or no questions if you could. as a general matter, should the federal government continue to permit oil and gas wells in this country? >> yes, and i believe that's happening. >> as a general matter, should the federal government continue to permit coal mines in this
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country? >> yes, ranking member, if i could just say i know that coal mines were not a part of president biden's executive order. >> as a general matter, should the federal government continue to permit copper, lithium and other hard rock mines in this country? senator manchin was asking about other hard rock issues. >> senator, i believe if we do these things in a responsible manner and protect the health and safety of workers, i see us moving forward. the earth is here to provide for us and that's my belief. >> as a general matter should the federal government continue to permit natural gas pipelines in this country? >> senator, as i mentioned in my opening statement, i believe nw% this will go on for quite some time. and i know that president biden is -- he has put a pause on new leases not existing ones. >> the question was on pipelines. so, as a general matter, should the federal government continue to permit oil pipelines in this
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country? >> senator, with respect to the department of interior, wherever pipelines fall under the authority of the department of interior, of course. >> as a general matter, should the federal government continue to permit electrical transmission lines in this country? >> i believe that would help our energy needs, sir. >> as a general matter, should the federal government continue to permit natural gas or nuclear power plants in the country? >> senator, i assume that -- what i would like to say is if i'm confirmed as secretary, of course i would follow the law on all of these things. >> i think one of the concerns that we have is that three senators on this committee are medical doctors. just a couple of months ago you tweeted, republicans don't believe in science. pretty broad statement that you
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made there, and it was on your -- this was in october of 2020. so, not too long ago. now, we're also republicans. do you think that as medical doctors we don't believe in science? how do you stand by this statement? >> senator, i -- yes, if you're a doctor, i would assume that you believe in science. >> well, republicans as well. it's concerning to those of us who have gone through training, believe in science, and yet for a broad brush action we're all disbelievers. it's a concern to those of us as we're here today to ask questions. you know, in his first few weeks in office, president biden issued several orders, as we talked about banning new oil and natural gas, leasing on lands and waters. this ban has been across your home state of new mexico, 62,000 jobs, my home state of wyoming, 33,000 jobs, a long-term leasing ban is also going to cost the kind of run around the table
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here of members on this committee, louisiana, 48,000 jobs, colorado, 18,000 jobs, mississippi, 14,000 jobs, north dakota, 13,000 jobs, utah, 11,000 jobs, 7,000 jobs in alaska and montana. those are just jobs represented by people on this committee. now, you had said you will work your heart out for everyone including fossil fuel workers. my question is for you, why not just let these workers keep their jobs? >> senator, it's my understanding that president biden has put just a pause on new leases. he didn't ban new leases. he didn't put a moratorium on new leases. it's a pause to review the fossil program at the department -- the federal fossil fuel program. so, i know that there are still thousands of leases and thousands of permits that are moving forward. >> if confirmed would you tell the president that it's unwise to continue to pause as a
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permanent ban? >> i don't believe that it is a permanent ban, senator. i am more than happy to work with you and to work with, of course, at the pleasure of the president and along with, if i'm confirmed, my colleagues to make sure that we're doing everything we can to create jobs for americans. >> because president biden has justified his ban on new oil and gas leasing on federal lands and waters. he cited climate change. are you aware of any evidence that suggests a ban on oil and gas leasing on federal lands and waters is going to reduce the world's total production of oil and gas? >> no, sir. >> and are we aware of any evidence that suggests that a ban on oil and gas leasing on federal lands and waters is going to reduce the world's total consumption of oil and gas? >> ranking member, i haven't actually looked at all of the statistics, but i believe that it's a situation where everyone should work together.
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>> because, you know, it seems that the president's ban on oil and gas leasing isn't going to reduce the world's production or consumption of oil and gas. i would just return to the question of why we wouldn't let these americans keep their jobs. we're not seeing any other country has banned energy production because of climate change. russia hasn't done it, saudi arabia, iran, india, china. so, i continue to believe it's a misguided decision by the president. so, thanks so much. i have questions for a second round. >> senator cantwell. thank you, senator. >> thank you. congresswoman haaland, congratulations on your historic nomination, and i so appreciate your leadership in the house. i tell you you had one of the greatest moments i think for the state of washington when you led the final passage of the spokane settlement bill. to see a native american woman standing there on the house floor helping us get something passed that took such a long time. and i would venture to say that
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if you had been interior secretary during that time period we might have actually gotten this done sooner. so, mark me down as one who very much appreciates the fact that the secretary interior being native american will give us an extra advantage on bia issues that are so important to indian country overall. so, thank you for that. and so glad you mentioned the great american outdoors act. i almost feel like your nomination is this proxy fight about the future of fossil fuels. you've already stated very clearly here you are going to carry out president biden's agenda. so, we very much appreciate the fact that you're doing that. and that's what i think a president deserves, his nominee. so, i think with the great american outdoors act, we saw the value of public lands. in fact we saw that the voofl creating more outdoor recreation helped a juggernaut of an industry now become third just behind finance and health care
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as a very big job employer in the united states of america. so, i hope that our colleagues will think about our bipartisan success there and how much those public lands mean to us from an economic revenue perspective. so, one of the things i wanted to ask you about, obviously on the coal leasing front, ask youn the co-leading front, is that under secretary jewel and the obama administration, you know, we were trying to get accurate assessments of the value of federal leasing of coal revenues. when i was ranking member, we pushed for this because obviously, we had a lot of cold trains that go right through the state of washington, the impacts of that accurate coal price matter because of mining in places like powder river basins, which accounts for 40% of the nation's annual supply and impacts communities all
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across our country. so, i want to make sure because the trump administration then came and overturned that assessment, so i want to make sure that despite that decision, that you are going to work to make sure that there is a fair value for the taxpayer on the price of coal leasing and the economic and climate impacts that it has? >> senator, our public lands belong to all of us and taxpayers deserve to have a fair return. so, i look forward to having more conversations about this and appreciate you raising this issue. >> thank you. on the arctic wildlife refuge, i wanted to make sure that you are committed to using a science based approach when it comes to protecting the arctic wildlife, i'm glad that the president has taken action to
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stop only seeing, but what can you tell me about your efforts to promote a science based approach to protecting the arctic wildlife refuge? >> i can promise you that if i'm confirmed as secretary, that we will be guided by science in all of those decisions. >> and then, on the issue of wildfires, which is a big pacific northwest issue, we have -- the department of interior has key tools that we have now given in the last big fire package that we were able to work on together, this is new technology for everything from forecasting to locating firefighters to the implementation of coordination with air support. will you commit it to continue to work in a rapidly implement those provisions of the last legislation on fighting fire? >> i believe very strongly, senator, that technology can play an incredibly helpful role
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in detecting fires and i -- yes, i appreciate you caring about that issue as well. >> thank you. and then, just lastly, we were successful with chairwoman murkowski in passing the outcome of basin water strategy bill which is really about focusing on helping the pacific northwest come up with better strategies for farming, for fishing, for environmental issues and i hope you will continue to work with us on the basin implementation and carrying forward on a good water strategy for the northwest. >> senator, this is -- well our second conversation, i'm sure we will have many more conversations and i will look forward to hearing more and i think that with -- if i'm confirmed, yes, we need to keep moving issues forward for the american people.
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>> thank, you thank you mister chairman. >> thank you senator, senator lee. >> thank you mister chairman, thank you representative holland for being here and for willingness to serve if confirmed. in 2019, you sent a letter to the department of the interior, the department that you've now been nominated to lead and in that letter, you mentioned some concerns that you had with the decisions regarding national monuments. and as i recall, the decisions in particular you are referring to, dealing with monuments, were things that you are worried it might have been influenced by those who inquiries, crime or use water on federal lands. so, i want to ask you a question, just a brief yes or no answer will suffice here, do you think it's appropriate for stakeholders to -- people who have some sort of economic interest don't matter some sort of connection to the land, like communities where
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people use those lands for grazing and for other purposes, incidental, unnecessary to the day-to-day loves to be involved in the national mall moment designation process? were you saying in that letter that you think said people shouldn't have a role in it? >> senator, and i think with the national mall designations, of course it's focused on the ground, stakeholders, everyone deserves to have a say in those. we've had some of those come through our committee and i realize it's a long process. >> i'm pleased to hear that you are okay with having stakeholders having a say in it because people who live close to land are very much affected by it. and utah, national monuments have become something of a political football and it's certainly poised to become more of a political football. one that's tossed back and forth between political parties. now, president clinton and
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president obama respectively designated some national monuments in utah. president confident, estimated the grand -- national monument back in 1996, and then 20 years later, obama designated the -- national monument. president trump reduced those monuments, consistent with the language of the antiquities act, requiring that the monumental extend no further than they've space that is necessary to be set aside to protect the purposes that issue. do you think it's helpful when monuments and up bouncing back and forth between residential administrations, it's not a good thing or a bad thing? for the american people in those who live near and are affected by these lands? >> i understand where you are saying, senator. and i know that the antiquities act is reserved for the president, whoever that may be.
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and not the secretary of interior. but i will say that yes, it does appear that those things have gone back and forth, depending on who is in office. >> do you think that this ricochet effect that we are talking about could be a result of presidents making monument designations that are not broadly supported by both political parties, particularly within the communities most immediately affected by them? >> well, it has been my experience, most of the land's bill, the most of the legislation that is come out of my sub comedian our committee of natural resources on the health side, have been more successful when they have been bipartisan. >> yes, in the circumstance, with national monuments, because we've given some 110 years ago, quite an advisedly in my opinion, we've got an presidents sweeping authority over this area, this eliminates
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as they might see, it in a moment, the need for bipartisan action. and yet, i think in order to avoid the rich effect, i think we're talking about we both agree it's a bad thing. we need to make sure there's widespread local biden. we didn't have that with -- in 2016. we don't have that with grants their case, 20 years earlier. and, i think it's important to point out here, i want to make sure you are aware that of the 11.5 million acres of national monument designations occurring online among the 40 states over the last 25 years, 3.2 5 million of those are in utah. now, that's 28%. some of these monuments are quite large and in utah, the grand staircase and the beer series national moments where originally 1.9 million acres and 1.3 million acres.
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added together, that's larger than to delaware's. do you think monuments of this size accurately reflect and embody the charge that congress provided in the antiquities act, to the effect that quote, the limits of the parcels shall be confined to the smallest area -- with the proper care management of the objects to be protected. is that usually something that in one state will be larger than to delaware's? >> senator, i want to say i am a little jealous that you are from utah and i'm from new mexico, because i know you have so much beautiful and there. and a lot of history. i've been to bears ears and the indians, the ancestral land is there and i realize it covers a very wide space. >> i appreciate the compliment, it is beautiful. but the monument designation doesn't make them more beautiful. it does tend to make it a
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communities that don't support them impoverished, and that's what concerns me. >> thank you senator. i appreciate you sharing that knowledge with me. >> senator sanders. >> all right, let me start off by asking you a very broad but important question. the scientific community is telling us that if we do not get our act together, transform our energy system away from fossil fuels, that there will be a irreparable damage done to our country enter the world in really a just very short period of time. do you agree with that assessment that climate change is a major threat to the united states and the world? >> yes senator. >> can you give us some ideas
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as to the role you will be playing in helping us cut carbon emissions and create the kinds of jobs that working families in this country desperately need? >> senator, thank you so much for your the question. and if i'm confirmed as secretary, i would be very proud to move president biden's bill back better plan forward. that is a plan to create millions of jobs in clean energy, yes, the civilian climate core as i mentioned in my opening statements, tens and thousands of jobs. inspiring young folks to restore our public lands and hopefully find careers in those areas. additionally, we know that -- and senator mentioned this earlier, abandoned mind is that need to be kate taken care of. those are all jobs for americans. orphaned gas wealth, president
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biden i, i think he added up 250,000 jobs with respect to two inches that. so, i believe there are millions of jobs in a clean and merge future for americans and if i'm confirmed, i'd be honored to help the president move those forward. >> well, i am very excited about the concept of the civilian climate core because my experience suggests that there are millions of young people who would love the opportunity to help transform our energy system, help clean up the prerevolution that currently exists and if they can get the training that they need, i think it would be a huge step forward for our younger people and for our economy as a whole. so i very much -- i am excited about the civilian climate corps and if you are in fact confirmed, i look forward
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to working with you to make that happen. let me switch gear and congresswomen, it is those no secret that you are a proud native american. and under the interior department, there will be the bureau of indian affairs. sadly, it is no secret that the way our government from day one, from before week became a country has treated them native american people less nothing less than shameful. i have been on reservations in this country where the life expectancy is less then third world countries. can you tell us some of your ideas as to how we can improve life through dave american people and improve the functioning of the bureau of indian affairs? >> thank you senator, and first of all, i want to are not
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acknowledge the career employees and interior and across around government who have worked extremely hard over the decades. my mother was one of those. i mentioned earlier, missing indigenous woman, which is a trick very tragic issue. and so many places, including my home state of new mexico. this pandemic, as i've mentioned many times, has highlighted the disparities for communities of color in native communities are among those. i've read article after article on the navajo nation, people might have running water but it's polluted from the mines. so, there are so many ways i think that if we were able to get broadband internet to make sure that native children have the educational opportunities and the teller health opportunities for everyone that that would be an excellent start and -- >> congresswoman, if you could say a word about health care.
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my impression is that at least in very -- various parts of the country, the indian health service has not been providing the quality or accessibility to health care that people need. when you say a word about that one? >> thank you senator. and yes, the indian health service, which i have used many times from the time i was a young child, i can't blame the employees and the staff who dedicate their life lives for caring for people, it's the job of a federal government to live up to the trust responsibility and again, this pandemic is highlighted the disparities in the indian health service and i hope that we will be able to get to a place where they have the resources they need. currently, there is a hospital that's on our quote -- that we've been dealing with, closing down in the middle of a pandemic, these are things that we need to keep ruling. if you don't have your health,
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you haven't anything. and everybody deserves to get the health care they need, when they needed. >> good. i look forward to working with you on that issue as well. as you know, congresswoman, right at the end of his term, the trump administration made a last-minute push to finalize the transfer of the oak flat area in arizona to fund private mining interests. if confirmed, will you do everything within your power to prevent oak flat from being sacrificed? >> senator, thank you for caring about that issue. i believe that is within the purview of the forest service. however, if i have an opportunity, i would look forward to being briefed on it to doing -- making sure that the voices of the tribal nations are heard with that issue. >> well, thank you very much
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and i look forward to your confirmation and working with you in the years to come. thank you mister chairman. >> thank you senator. senator james? >> thank you mister chairman. this haaland, welcome to the community. i want to bring an issue ended endangered species act, the question is, when do you believe an endangered species has recovered and when it has recovered, do you simply delisting and your turn the wildlife management back to the state? >> senator, of course, all of those decisions are based on science, as they should be. and i appreciate the question. i would look forward to, if there is any issues of that nature, if i'm confirmed, being briefed on them. >> so get into the science then. do you know what the recovery cut right here are further grizzly bear in the greater yellowstone a consistent? >> specifically, no sir. >> the answer is 500 bears. and would you happen to know how many bears we currently
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have in the greater yellowstone ecosystem? >> i do not. >> so, the most conservative estimate is 728, well above the recovery target. many estimate is closer to 1000 embarrass. well above the recovery criteria, well above caring capacity, yet on may 7th 2019, you cosponsored legislation that provided federal protections for the grizzly bear in perpetuity, forever. why would you sponsor a bill like that when the science tells us that their numbers are well above recovery targets? >> i imagine at the time, i was caring about the bears. >> and, why don't you believe that gracefully management should return back to the states when recovery targets are met? >> well, i'm not saying that it shouldn't be returned back to the states -- >> but that's what your legislation you cosponsored
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said. is that you would keep it in federal protections forever, in perpetuity. >> well, i would be happy to take a look at the issues, senator. and if i can help with that issue, of course i would love to speak with you more about it. >> on november 19th, 2020, you said that if you had a your way, and i quote, you'd stop overland gasoline-ing on public lands. as secretary, you will get to have your way. will you recommend extending the leasing moratorium, and how do you justify this moratorium with requirements of the federal law under the mineral leasing act? >> senator, is my understanding that it is a pause on just new leases, and not existing violent leases. and if i'm confirmed as secretary, it is president biden's agenda, not my own agenda that i would be moving
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forward and i appreciate your advice on this issue. >> over the last two years, you made numerous statements in opposition to energy development, including and i quote you, no new pipelines in august of 2018. you called for a ban on fracking in 2020. oil and gas development on public lands develop generated huge revenues for local schools, essential services. i have one county in montana that over 90% of the revenues go to their schools, come from pipelines. unfortunately, this is not the case for wind and solar development on federal lands. what is your plan to make up for any lost a local revenue for public safety in children's education? >> senator, as i mentioned earlier, if i'm confirmed as secretary, it is president biden's agenda that i would move forward, not my own and i absolutely -- nobody wants children to not
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have schools. >> earlier, you said you want to let the science on the data dictate policy and now comes. so i assume you'd want to make sure you look at the science and the data and not just blindly follow any administration? >> well, i apologize senator, yes, the science and the data i am assuming would go without saying, because i realize the department relies on science. >> do you support a ban on fracking in no new pipelines? >> senator, president biden does not support a ban on fracking, as i understand, -- >> but do you personally support a ban on fracking in no new pipelines? >> senator, if i could say, if i am confirmed as secretary, i would be serving at the pleasure of the president and it would be his agenda that i would move forward. >> on october 8th 2020, you stated quote, anyone who says we have to sacrifice jobs very clean energy is just trying to scare us.
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>> we had the county in bigger montana, 60 people just lost their jobs and their benefits, union jobs, directly because of president biden's executive actions. what jobs can they turn to now? would i tell the 60 families that just lost their jobs because of president biden's executive action? >> senator, i want you to know that i understand what that's like. i have struggled myself as well, and been without a job at various times in my life. i will do everything i can, as i said, i mean, it i will work my hard out for every american. and if we can move president biden's agenda forward together, we can create those millions of jobs and i have every faith that something that will be -- >> one of the ironies, is these executive actions increase emissions, not decreasing emissions. the keystone pipeline was a zero net carbon project here by
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2030, how do we are addressing increase in emissions caused by president biden's actions we've seen in the past month? >> senator, i would be happy to be briefed on the amount of emissions and if i'm confirmed, absolutely work with you. >> thank you, mister chairman, i'm out of time. i'm just concerned about perceiving this nomination, the track record and the ideology and the past, i think will perpetuate more disavows divisiveness and certainly harm montana's economy, that's why i have some concerns. >> thank you senator. senator wyden. >> thank you very much senator, and i want to welcome the nominee and especially appreciate the fact that congressman young introduced you congresswoman. he has been a model of trying to work with people on both sides of the aisle, and i'm going to get into that question of bipartisan collaboration, because it sounds like you are one of the leaders in terms of actually pulling people
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together to come up with bipartisan solutions. in other words, it's fine to talk about ideas, and also fun to say, well i'm going to be bipartisan, people can say i'll take somebody slows the ideas, you've really done the hard work to put together by partisan coalitions and i'm going to start with the first topic of rural jobs, because as you know, congresswoman, the goose and i have put together the 21st century civilian conservation corps, which would put together an effort with thousands of jobs in rural communities. and you just think about the number of vendors and i see my friend from new mexico, who's been very interested in this issue as well, the number of vendors for example, that would be selling goods and services to 21st century civilian conservation corps, would be a huge economic multiplier for rural communities. that's what rules jobs are really all about. so, i think it be great if you
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could talk about a couple of the examples that were most important to you, both in terms of generating jobs in rural communities, and in terms of coalition building. because those are two sides of the same coin in rural america, my friend from new mexico always kids me about a while he project that you and i have talked about. after 50 years of fighting and arguing about what he, we've now put together one amounts to a first of its kind coalition, farmers and environmental folks alike. so will give the jobs and will have the benefits of the environmental protection. which will be a big recreation engine for the area. talk to us about your views of rural jobs and you can talk about other areas that are important to you, so people walk out of here recognizing what i saw, which is you are
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actually pulling people together. you have sponsors for that bill. >> thank you thank you. >> your thoughts. >> thank you senator, and i could not agree with you more, collaboration is important and i was the highest rated freshman for bipartisanship. i think it's important, and the reason that mr. young and i became such good friends, is that he help me to pass a lot of bills, and our offices work well together. i think that is important. and yes we can have different views, we can think differently and if we were all the same, we probably would not get a whole lot done either. but i feel like the people of new mexico they sent me to congress to get work done. and that is what i have done. i appreciate your you having the opportunity to bring ranchers and tribes and folks
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together in those collaborations. my sister she married a ranch or, and gave birth to three cowboys in a calgary, and that is what they do, they care deeply about the land. and also the animals. so i think that if we could all work together and if we can you know i think we can do it all. i think we can work together, i think we can protect our public lands, we can create jobs and the civilian corps is a great idea. and i look forward to young people having those opportunities. it is a tough time in this country sometimes, and not every parent was like my dad. not everyone had the opportunity with their working two or three jobs, to make sure their kids spent time outdoors. but i think giving
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opportunities to young people, will change their lives. and give them the opportunity to care deeply about our environment. >> i appreciate you congresswoman, and the reality is these kinds of efforts, like the 21st century civilian conservation, you know i think that can be a big economic multiplier. with vendors and the private sector meeting those needs. and the legislation. but it's because you bring people together. and the chairman and i have talked about this very often, and when i was chairman of the committee was the first place i went to his west virginia, and my colleague said come on out and that's what people want they want people to have a chance to hear each other out and find some common ground. and i'm concerned i'm convinced in the middle of this pandemic there will be a greater appreciation for collaboration than there was before because
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that's what we have to do. that's what the president is talking about. and you are setting a good tone with the answers to my questions. i look forward to supporting your nomination congresswoman, and working with you. thank you. >> thank you senator murkowski. >> mr. chairman thank you, and congresswoman welcome to the committee. and thank you for being here it has been noted by my colleague the congressman lee and the dean of the house, that it is indeed very significant your nomination to this position. as a first native american woman. and we have had an opportunity to discuss some very significant in all an role that the department plays over alaskan's lives. whether we like it or not. this is a relationship that some have to you know they've
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described as landlord and tenant. that is not a good relationship to have. we would much prefer it to be more of a partnership. and i want to ask you, in my first round of questions this morning, to focus on the public and lands aspect, and the roll again that the department of interior plays with us look. the federal government owns over 60% of all the land in our state. that's not as ignition as in some states, but when you take into account that alaska is one fifth the size of the lower 48, it's a lot of land. it is critical to our resource industry, as you know which accounts for billions of dollars in wages, in tax revenues, and tens of thousands of jobs. protecting those jobs is critically important. at all times, but particularly
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now. our state has seen the highest lost revenue in any of the 50 states. we're sitting at about 33% revenue loss. think about that. the next closest state, is the 20% revenue loss, but on average, no it's less and so we are hurting right now. when we see the executive orders coming out of the white house that not only impact the resource based state like alaska but call us out by name, call us a by name and we are one of only two states in the nation that were specifically targeted by president biden day one executive orders. it was not just day one we were targeted, we were called out on seven separate occasions, which from alaska's perspective, you
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have to understand that they are looking at this and saying why is this administration out to get us? i don't think they're out to get us, but i think there is a definite threat to the resource industry that our state is blessed to be able to host. so if you are confirmed to this very significant position, what is your approach going to be with regards to oil and gas and mineral resource development, within a state like alaska? >> senator thank you so much, and if i could quickly say thank you again for all of your help with the missing and murdered indigenous woman. that means the world to me. i realize your time is limited. first of all, senator i know that president biden does not want to cripple any state. he put the pause on the new leases to review the program.
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i want you to know that if i am confirmed, i will rely heavily on our relationship moving forward. i do want to work with you, and i do want to make sure that i understand the unique issues in alaska. and to make sure that we are doing all we can to ensure that your constituents have the opportunities that they need. >> so let me just ask then, in that line, there have been a number of rulemaking's, that were finalized under the trump administration. they are now being litigated in court. this includes the record of decision for willow, the -- access project. and these were developed by career and civil servants, pursuant to all the environmental laws that are out there. all the regulations including the ones down by regular order, and open trans parent order.
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so would you ensure that the department continues to support and defend these projects, and the decisions and the environmental reviews, that were completed again by interior career employees? >> thank you senator, and yes of course anything that is under way at that is in the courts of course we'd want to get an update, and get a status on those issues. senator, what i can say is that i would be very anxious to work with you, and i will follow the law, i will absolutely follow the law if i'm confirmed. let that would be important to say the least, and i think you can bet that i will consult with you regularly, and i want to make the best decisions if i'm confirmed for the people of your state. >> defending these specific projects, would be critically important, in following that
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law. i would hope that you would have an opportunity for a second question thank you. >> thank you. >> senator. >> thank you i just want a clear few things up that i heard about my home state. we have not lost thousands of jobs, in new mexico because there is no ban. and the industry has stockpiled and enormous number of leases, under the fire sale that secretary bernard had that ended last administration. but we do recognize, that we will need to move to a department ally's economy. and pretending that is not going to happen, it's not going to serve any of our workers well. i would submit the energy workers, would be best served if those of us on this committee show leadership by investing in energy communities that put us where we are today. and in the technologies necessary, to actively manage this transition. now speaking to workers, i want
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to ask you congresswoman, about the great american outdoors act. it provides 9.9 billion dollars of next five years, to maintain and repair infrastructure on our lands. and this could put people to work immediately, replacing roofs on visitor centers, improving campgrounds, doing things we should've done 50 years ago to invest in our outdoor recreation economy and rural communities. so what steps can the interior department take, to make sure that this funding is put to work as quickly as possible? >> senator i know there are as you said, many areas across the country, and i think the best thing to do, is to make sure we are consulting with each other. that we get a list of priorities, and get to work. i can imagine that every senator on this committee, would have a list of priorities in their own state for that
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funding. and i think it would be a tremendous boost. >> thank you, and one of the things about outdoor recreation, it really impacts our entire state in new mexico. there are certain places that have oil and gas, certain places that have wind potential, but outdoor recreation is something that we can invest in practically every rural community in the state. as you note the bureau of indian education established a top ten priority list. for replacing schools in 2016. at the top of that list, was -- elementary school which i know you're familiar with. they receive some funding in 2018, but the project is not finished. it took 12 years, to get through to the top ten list. so it is clear to me, that this is inadequate, as they are 78 schools that have been
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designated in poor condition. and i would ask you, can you commit to reviewing that school replacement list, looking for ways to improve it or speed up the process, and tell us in congress, when we are simply not doing our part to fund these things. >> senator it would be my pleasure. i was trying to add up how long ago i went to -- elementary school. close to 50 years ago. and so i'm sure that it has been there for much longer than that so there is a lot of work to do, and our children deserve to have opportunities to learn in the best ways. so yes. >> i'm sure you are overestimating how long ago that was but, you know another issue that we have had a chance to work on a little bit, as you for centuries as you know for centuries, secret cultural items that belong to tribal communities, have been taken to foreign countries, and sold to
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the highest bidder. now we have laws in the united states that make the sale of certain trouble sacred objects a federal crime. however we do not have a lot about taking those same items overseas, and selling them there. and that is a loophole that we need to fix. and i have legislation, and with senator murkowski, and we can do that, but when even we have when he even if we have an export ban in place, they're already objects overseas that need to be brought back home to tribal communities where they belong. and the interior department plays a critical role in the retrieval of those items. working with the state department, the department of homeland security, and others to ensure the tribes are able to reclaim these items that have been stolen from them. and would you commit to making repatriation of these items and actual priority for the department? it is part of the
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responsibility, but i think it's something that has just not fully being elevated to a real priority in previous administrations. >> thank you so much senator and senator mackowski for caring about this important issue. i've seen some of those pictures on the internet and it's heartbreaking. to know that folks who don't know the power or the meaning of those objects think of them as art and they are definitely not art. so absolutely, that would be very important issue and i believe tribes would be grateful. thank you. >> thank you mister chair. >> thank you senator. senator lankford. >> thank you chairman. commissioner haaland, thank you for being here thank you for the dialog. i'm sure they are, where last week, across much of the midwest, we had very extreme cold temperatures. we had a test in the southwest
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power pole, where there was a lot of national attention that was on texas and the long shutdowns there. we had issues as well. our wind towers froze up, in fact, for several days in the southwest power pole, we were love running more diesel power than we were right when power, which is not uncommon for us to run 40% of our power by windpower. we had a real pool on all of our solar pounds, obviously, the recovered and snow at the time or very cloudy days. so, we had quite a challenge on just being able to maintain power when we were negative 14 degrees. so the issues of that power and reliability, resilience matter to us, because we want to make sure that we don't lose access to this. so jobs matter, and those are extremely important. in matters to every single consumer, the cost of energy, the availability of energy and the diversity of energy. so we are truly in all the above states, as we do and i have talked about before, we have more renewables in
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oklahoma that we use in -- the new mexico does. we are significant and are you serve renewable and appreciate those. but we have similar challenges that we want to make sure we pay attention to. so let me tell you about some of the issues. because of some of your past statements and i want to get some of a few things in conversation. mineral counsel, they have a lot of oil gas development in the tribal areas. they've had a challenge, in fact, we asked about them, they said they had seven years of devastation brought on by owners, b.a. regulations restricting access on oil and gas records and then official wildlife coming in and adding environmental impact statements that were totally new to them. it's a significant portion of the income for the tribe, and it's significant that the state as well. what would be your standards on orlando asked developments, mineral developments in tribal areas? thank >> you for that question, senator. and first, your comment about oklahoma having more renewables than new mexico, i don't know
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about senator heinrich, but that sounds like a challenge to me. so, perhaps we can work on that. senator, with respect to the pause on leases, i know that it's just on public lands, not on tribal lands. and so, tribes should continue to move forward with their operations. >> the u.s. zoom that the rules would be different for tribal lands as they would for for federal lands in the day ahead? because as you make recommendations, you made some pretty bold statements in the past saying, no fracking, no pipelines, i mean some of the statements you made in the past, you're going to make recommendations to the biden team and you've said several times, you will follow president biden's direction, but obviously secretary of interior, you're making recommendations for them sitting at the table as well. would your recommendations be different for tribal land development then for federal land development? >> senator, i want to first assure you that if i am concerned confirmed as secretary, that is a far different rule than it is for, you know, then a congresswoman
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representing one small district in my state. so, i understand that role, it's to serve all americans, it's not just my one district in new mexico. of course, i can't answer fully those questions at the moment, i am not there yet. if i am confirmed as secretary, i would absolutely take all those issues into consideration and of course, look forward to consulting with you. >> but would your recommendations be that there would be a unique difference between tribal management of their mineral rights and oil and gas development, fracking all of those, pipelines then there would be on federal lands? >> senator, i would be happy to look at the issue, to study it then if i am confirmed and speak with you about -- >> let me show you a map. this is a map of one of the units for oil and gas area, doesn't matter to state but it shows the complexity of this. for many of these races that
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come up, proportionally of the land, in this, case in this area that is tribal and is what you see in the tan here. and then in the salmon color, it's the what the engineers managed. but that still has a b.a. oil and gas leases on it. so the challenge becomes, there's different sets of rules when they go through this process. what i'm trying to get at is, this is a common look as you go through the different leases that are there. that anytime they start to do any kind of unit of development, they get complexity on what the rules are going to be. the rules are different in each of these areas and if you change that from tribal land to private land, that even changes and more. so let me just ask your question. permitting wise, would you look at this type of map and say, permits, not just a lease, permits would be different. if the federal lands had a more -- moratorium on them, could they still develop the private lands, could they still develop the tribal lands that are literally right next to the federal land? >> i understand.
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it's sort of a complicated issue. >> but that's what the real world looks like, yeah. >> i understand what you are saying and i would be happy to take a look at those, be briefed, understand the issue far better and work with you if there are issues in your state. >> thank you. look forward to a second round. senator >> rotunno. >> senator, i think you're on mute. you are still on mute senator. >> sorry. thank you. it's good to see you congresswoman, i asked the following two initial questions every nominee on which every comedy that i sit. so here are the questions. since he became an illegal adult, have you ever made unwanted press for sexual favors or committed any verbal or spaces a coal harassment of a sexual nature? >> no, senator. >> have you ever faced
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discipline or entered into a settlement related to this kind of conduct? >> no, ma'am. >> it was very nice to see my friend dan young introduce you and i've worked with him myself and i know how fluid he is, especially to the indigenous peoples programs. so i thank you for meeting with me a little while ago to discuss policy matters that are very important to me and of course, the issues that relate to indigenous members of my community are very important to me and i know, as several have already noted, how historically are burden it is to for you to be a first native american woman -- native american and women, poised to serve as secretary of the interior. and to note that you worry 35th generation navy american, which means that your people were in
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our country long before the rest of us ever came here. so, i think the significance of your background if not lost in any of us. so based on my conversation with you, i would expect that he will be very committed to working with us on these issues as well as the issues relating to other indigenous people -- of course the american indians as well. we also discuss the concern about invasive species in hawaii's very unique environment and in fact, hawaii i think is the invasive species capital of the country. and so, it's so significant that this entire month in hawaii has been dedicated to invasive species awareness. i know that i can count on you to work with me on addressing the concerns relating to invasive species. finally, we discuss the relationship between the united
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states and the independent nations of the republic of the marshall islands. the federal government states that micronesia, the republic of poland, these relations government owned by the free associations are set to expire in 2023 and 2024. i encourage you to be confirmed to work collaboratively with your colleagues at the department of defense, department of state and the members of congress to find ways to improve and expand an existing impacts through the renegotiation process and ensure that there is a fair and collaborative financial commitment -- i'm really glad, congresswoman, that you voted the concern regarding the missing and murdered indigenous women and
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children. this is an issue that i would like to work with you, and i did bring up what more we can do with mayor garland during his confirmation hearing, for attorney -- as attorney general. we've been asked a lot of questions about fossil fuels versus non fossil fuels, etc. and i don't necessarily see that as -- but can you discuss the indoctrination potential presented by key energy transition, even for families that have worked in the fossil fuel industry. >> thank you senator. i appreciate the question, and appreciate all of the issues that you raised leading up to your question. i am grateful for your support on so many of the issues that i worked on in congress. and yes, well, president biden is geared up to help create
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millions of jobs, and you've heard us talk about the civilian client meant core, you heard us talk about clean energy, another coming from a state in -- such as new mexico where we have over 300 days of sun per year and absolutely in abundance of wind, that those or all -- there is many more places like that and i think we can move or clean energy forward. part of the reason why i feel very strongly about this, coming from new mexico as well, is that if we have other streams of revenue that we can move forward to fund our schools, we don't suffer the booms in the busts that we've experienced in new mexico as well. so, i feel strongly that technology moving forward in a place also like new mexico,
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with two national labs there that the technology is something that will absolutely make a tremendous difference. technology and innovation, as we've already talked about. we can't understate the value of that in the jobs that those two things can create. >> let me stir -- how i started off as one of the most fossil fuel independent states in the country, where we were imported some 97% of our energy for electricity from outside of our state. and we have a very ambitious but attainable goal of becoming fuel efficient, energy efficient by 2045. and that means that we intend to create these kinds of energy sufficient jobs in the states. so, i know that that is of course a possibility. i also wanted to give you an
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opportunity, once again, to emphasize the importance of working in a bipartisan manner, which you do very well but maybe you can explain why you hold the record for probably, introducing more bipartisan bills than your colleagues. and we're talking about a lot of people in the u.s. congress and you have a really good record. >> senator, the time is expired. >> well, i just wanted to emphasize, she is really good at that. >> okay, thank you senators. thank you very much. senator cassidy. >> thank you, thank you congresswoman haaland. thank you for the visit last week i really appreciate it. >> i followed as if i ask questions i have already asked. he spoke movingly about your -- >> senator i'm so sorry, i cannot hear you very well. >> senator speak up a little bit if you can, entering your follow-up please. >> okay, i'm not sure --
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>> how about now? >> much better. >> you are up close and personal right now. >> if you could, restart my five minutes please mister chair. congresswoman haaland thank you. your personal story is compelling. and one thing we spoke of for those families such as yours, frankly such as mine growing up, whose parents were able to have a better living because of somebody. in louisiana, many of those better living's are related to overland gas industry pipelines, etc. and we understand that if there is kind of a campaign against them, there's many families which will have a less bright future. so, with that said, let me first ask, do you agree with president biden's executive order to stop the keystone axle pipeline, knowing that 11,000 have our future jobs are
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eliminated because of it? >> senator, thank you so much for the question and i, of course, i know that the keystone has been -- it's been an issue, both sides very passionate on both sides. and with respect to president biden's decision, it is his decision, he's the president. so let me ask you this. let me ask you this. and in the context, senator barrasso mentioned that your perception, as to how republicans view science. so, if i can point to a state department report, based upon science, but said that building the pipeline lowers lowball greenhouse gas emissions, would you eliminate the pipeline if you are the president, with the
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11,000 jobs and the future for those families, knowing that by not building it, based on science from the state department? we would have increased greenhouse global gas emissions? >> senator i would be happy to read any report, and be briefed on it. >> if you will just stipulate that, that is a statement department report. that is the science. but i'm hoping that the democrats pay attention to the science, and that is the nature of my question. if you could accept that as a stipulation, i will get that for you. but is this administration and will your department be guided by a prejudice against fossil fuels, or will be guided by science? >> senator if i could just take the liberty of saying, that prejudice on fossil fuels, perhaps isn't the way i would describe it. i would say that president biden is feeling in moving
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towards, the tremendous opportunity, that we have in diversifying our energy. >> that is kind of dodging my question congresswoman. and i don't mean to be rude, but if you know is your department going to be guided by science? or by something other than science? let me put it prejudicially or non prejudicial sly? because clearly the biden administration is not guided by science. and the republicans are. and i am just seeing if this administration will be and your department will be? i >> have stated many times, if i am confirmed, that the interior departments decisions will be guided by science. >> thank you. there is a wall street journal article pointing out that if the united states cuts its production of oil and gas, global demand will not be
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affected, but global supply will come from other countries. intuitively does not make sense to you? >> i beg your pardon senator, but i apologize if you could just repeat that once more? >> so there was a recent article, suggesting that even if the united states increases production or decreases production of oil and gas, that global demand will continue the same. >> no i understand, and we are hoping that when we create some of these clean energy opportunities, that perhaps that will change. >> so, you are introduced by congressman young, and he pointed out that 80% of a barrel of oil, to goes for the plastics and chemicals, essential and you know for making the products that go into a winter been?
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the carbon we are both looking at right now. so given that, even if we have clean energy, that 80% of it goes to non propulsion purposes. would you agree that it's quite likely that even in the rose east of scenarios, there will continue to be a demand for oil and gas? >> yes senator, and i did say that in my opening statement. >> so i guess i will finish by asking once more, if even if we decrease production, is it reasonable to assume that global demand will remain constant, and it'll come from other countries that oil? >> i appreciate the logic that you are explaining to me, i guess i would hope that moving forward, we will all realize that we have a stake in our own future, and so. >> i still believe that and i will close by saying this, the
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futures of those families who just lost their jobs because of the keystone pipeline being closed down, and others producing a product that will be used worldwide, but perhaps we are not guided by science in large logic, that they will lose their future. i'm not being personal with you, but i am trying to represent those families that cannot speak, and whose jobs are being lost by a political gender, and not science. >> thank you senator and senator king? >> this senator i think you are on mute. you are getting close to unmuting? >> you have been unmuted it says. >> now you are good. >> now i'm with you. >> yes you are. >> thank you very much there. think you. i first want to i want to tell
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our witness, that about 20 years ago, i took a trip with my family and for the first time, in a serious way i visited the southwest. and found that the landscape was so completely different from where i live, that it was a real revelation. you know and new mexico, the white sands, the travel that we did not area, it was a revelation. therefore, if confirmed i want to invite you representative deb haaland to come to new england. and visit our incredible national park, acadia, and our monument which is only four years old, but is having a positive impact on the region where it is located. i would love to welcome you to maine. and hope that you will take advantage of that invitation. should you be confirmed which i hope will be the case.
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>> thank you sir yes. i will come. thank you. >> good, that was the right answer. you're doing great so far. so many of us on this committee supported very enthusiastically, the great american outdoors act that was passed last year. but there were some disturbing interpretations, and execution of that law, at the very end of the previous ministration. i hope that you will review the law, and hope that you support it in the house, and be sure that the implementation, is corresponding to the intent of congress. i have a pet motto, that implementation and execution, are as important as vision. so, i hope that you will commit to working with us, and to be sure that the great american outdoors act is implemented in the way that it was intended by
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congress, to maximize the benefit to the american people. >> i absolutely with senator. >> one of the eight inch issues that is of interest in new england, is this offshore wind. it has enormous potential, energy potential, and there is an experimental project in maine, which is sponsored by are university of maine. i think one of the important areas, that you can pay some attention to, is the regulatory process, and the time they -- . my approach has always been we want the toughest environmental rules in the world, but we want the most timely and predictable process. so i hope that is something that you can take a look at, because this is an important potential energy source, it could be a huge change for this country, and we just do not
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want you know i'm all for protecting the environment, protecting the fisheries, protecting the impact on fisheries, but i don't want the process itself, to be a barrier to this important development. >> i understand senator, and we look forward to working with you on any of those issues. >> final question, is on the issue which i think is the low hanging fruit of climate change. and that is methane. as you know there were some serious methane captured regulations past five or six years ago. they were essentially repealed by the prior administration. and i hope, that certainly on public lands, that you will look to re-introducing those regulations, which are not terribly costly, at least that is my understanding, but will be enormously beneficial in terms of the elimination of
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greenhouse gases. and as you know methane is 80 times as dangerous as co2. so anything we can do on eliminating methane, you know when it releases into the atmosphere it's critically important. and you should come into reviewing those regulations about methane, released in terms of no drilling on public land. >> yes senator, and i completely understand and appreciate you carrying about this issue. we should be breathing clean air. >> well i appreciate your testimony here today, and your responsiveness, and i guess that the final question will be, do you commit to appearing before and cooperating with this committee, as we try to exercise our oversight role, and really want to be partners with you, and the important role of the department of the interior. >> absolutely senator.
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>> good thank you very much and i look forward to supporting your nomination. thank you mister chairman. >> thank you. >> thank you and now we have senator hoeven. ? >> senator hoeven you are still on mute? >> okay can you hear me now. >> we have you sir. >> thank you very much mister chairman, and congresswoman them deb haaland thank you for being here today for your testimony. as well as for visiting with me on the phone earlier thank you very much. in north dakota ready in north dakota we are an energy house, to introduce energy from all sources, including fossil fuels, and wind, as well as can electric, and oil and gas, we are the second largest -- in the nation.
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we are producing about one or two or three or four point billion barrels a day now. second only to the state of texas. now we work very hard, to have the latest and greatest environmental standards. we continue to work that, i want to be a leader for the country. that being said, we have to have transmission lines, and pipelines to move energy to market. we have to have the infrastructure. a good example of that, is the dakota access pipeline. it's been operating for three years safely, moving well over half 1 million of barrels a day, especially to the eastern part of the state. and to other parts. which otherwise they would have to get this oil from opec. saudi arabia. so in the case of the dakota
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access pipeline, you were there, and protested the pipeline, are you still opposed to that pipeline? >> senator, yes i did go to stand with the water protectors. during several years back, the reason i did that is because i agreed with the tribe, that they felt they were not consulted in the best way. i know the tribal consultation is important, and that was the reason that i was there >> what is your position on the pipeline today? >> well senator, i know it's an important issue for you, and i understand that, i also agree that whenever these projects come up, that we absolutely should make sure that we are consulting the tribes. if in fact, these projects do affect their lands, their
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sacred sites, and the like. >> i understand, i'm sorry did you go ahead finishers entrance. >> no sir i am happy to get briefed on any of these issues, if i'm confirmed, and of course senator, i would listen to you and consult with you, and work with you to the best of my ability. >> i certainly understand the importance of tribal council and consultation, and it continues right now. and right now we are having a violent viral impact statement, and this pipeline actually has been operating for three years safely now. moving more than half a billion key barrels of oil a day. but do you agree, and it's important to complete the review, in effect base and
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objective managed to do this? >> senator thank you for the question, and yes thank you also for raising the issue that it is the army corps of engineers, authority. were any of these issues where they come into the authority of the department of the interior if i'm confirmed then i will absolutely give those things my tension what you are the answer is yes, of course should the core complete -- go through the proper process to complete a yes, that is your position? >> senator, i think everyone should follow the law. and if that's the law, then absolutely. >> given your history, being at the protest, are you willing to commit to recuse yourself from the matters that come before
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interior related to the pipeline in order to avoid a conflict of interest? >> senator it's my understanding that there are attorneys at the department of the interior and also ethics folks. if i'm confirmed, of course i will heed the advice of those attorneys and the ethics office for any issues whether it might be any any of those conflicts. >> all right, again, thank you for visiting with me earlier and for your time. >> senator, thank you also for working with us on the side to get some important legislation passed. >> i know i'm just a little bit over but i would also mentioned to you that the three affiliated tribes in north dakota, produces just on their reservation alone, they wear estate all by themselves, they worry about the tenth or ninth
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largest oil producing state in the nation. so they produce an incredible amount of energy for this nation, which breaks incredible -- and their oil goes through that pipeline. do you have any thoughts on that? incredibly important for that tribe. >> senator, it's my understanding that if with respect to the leases that we've been talking about, the pause on the laces don't affect tribal lands. >> right, i'm talking about the ability to access to the dakota pipeline, that some of the move their product. >> thank you so much senator and i will look forward to absolutely working on these issues, if i am confirmed and bringing you into the conversation as much as possible. >> thank you. >> thank you senator. before i go to the court headmaster, on what to further come in and say, we're going to have two votes here at 11:30
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and what we're going to do is try to get through our first round, we're going to come back tomorrow at 10:00 for a second round. congresswoman, with that be okay with you? can you come back at 10:00 tomorrow? >> senator, i will do whatever you tell me to do. >> i'm respectfully asking if you could be, here it would be much appreciated a 10:00. so that would be a second round, so everyone can kind of hold on that if you will. and with that, will try to conclude a first round, we've got about three more for more senators. cortez, masto from nevada. >> senator, do we have senator catherine cortez? >> thank you senator cortez master -- >> hold, on one second now. we have senator cortez masto?
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>> okay, we're going to go to senator cortez masto, she might be available right, now she must be voting. we'll go to senator in colorado. senator? if senator he can move or is not available, then where in a go to senator hassan smith. >> thank you mister chairman and welcome congresswoman and congratulations on this historic nomination to be secretary of interior. and i'm hopeful that through this confirmation process, we can gain a deeper understanding on how you intend to leave the department of the interior if you are confirmed. and as a congresswoman, and i think you came in in 1999, you've been there two years, a little over two years. i >> was elected in 2018 and sworn in in 2019. >> and since you had been in
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that position, you've gone on record stating, i pledge to vote against all fossil fuel infrastructure and abide instead of 100% clean energy. and mississippi, of course that's only outside of my door, the state that i represent alone has a substantial energy infrastructure, which provides thousands of jobs and hundreds of millions in economic out poke through the production of fossil fuels in our ports, our refineries, processing plants and many facilities in the great state that i represent. but by halting this production of essential fossil fuels, mississippi jobs alone would just be decimated, leaving families without a source of income during an already troubling time economically and
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a halting offshore energy production would also dominate my state resources that are now dedicated to conservation and other very good works. frankly, your positions on energy or alarming to mississippi. and what do you report -- recommend, i tell my constituents that are directly affected by this to assure them that their livelihoods and the way they make a living and provide for their families are still secure? >> senator, thank you so much for the question and first of all, it might bear repeating that i was the most bipartisan freshman in my first term in congress. that's because i came here to get work done. and i realize that surveying has cabinet secretary is far different from being a member of congress, where i'm representing one district.
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it's representing every single american. and i recognize that there is a difference in those two roles, and i want you to know that cabinet secretaries, the administration is a coequal branch of our government, just as congress is. and so, it's important that we're able to work together and i can just promise you that i will listen to you. i will take your -- i will take into consideration your issues and how you want to present them and certainly we'll look forward to many more conversations about your state and how we can ensure the people of your state have what they need to move forward. >> so you don't have any specifics on what i can report back to them of how their livelihoods are still secure with your leadership? >> senator, i would just like to also reiterate, perhaps that president biden has just put a
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pause on new leases, and not valid existing leases and i don't know when that review will be finished. it is a review the administration wants to do on the false hope fuel program, and of course, i know that the valid existing leases will move forward. thousands of those currently and i believe the department is still moving permits through. so, i feel like in the short term, that hopefully their jobs have not been affected. >> okay, and for the future, you know i want to future discuss the future of offshore oil and gas leasing in the gulf of mexico. 2020 analysis concluded that banning federal leasing would result in nearly 14,000 mississippi jobs lost in a very
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small state, way less than 3 million. in the first 12 to 24 months, a decrease in offshore oil production by 44 production and natural gas about 68% by 2030, the grease dependency on imports by nearly 2 million barrels per day and a potential loss of 32 million and our state revenue. and how do you foresee the future of offshore leasing when the gulf of mexico is vital to our nation's energy securing -- security by providing approximately 20% of america's oil and natural gas production with your leadership in the future if these things to come to pass. >> senator, as i mentioned, it's just a pause, it's not a ban. it's my understanding that there are approximately 7700
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unused approved permits to trail currently that have not been put into use and so there is a long way to go before, you know, in order to make use of all the permits that are actually out there and ready to be used. >> thank you, and i have further questions at the appropriate time mister chairman. >> thank senator, and senator cortez masto from nevada. she is with us now. >> i am. chairman thank you and thank you to the ranking member. congresswoman, thank you for being here today and thank you for your dedication to public service and for your families long history of military service to our nation. i also recognize as a member of senate of indian affairs, the historic nature of your nominations as the first native american woman nominated by the president to leave the department of interior. i want to thank you for taking the time with me, prior to this hearing, to go through some issues and talk about how we
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can really work together at the state of nevada. as you and i previously discussed, over 80% of the land in nevada is managed by the federal government, about 63% specifically managed by the bureau of land management. so public lands are vital to my state's economy, whether that be outdoor recreation and other means, it is so important that we have a great working relationship with the department of interior and the federal government. as you and i discussed, there's so much land that the blm owns, and in particular star small parcels throughout the state of nevada, in many of our communities and metropolitan areas. and that's why over the years, nevada has made a point of looking at how we can improve always how working relationship at the federal level. so, having greater intelligence
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in inner governmental -- having the blm prioritize numerous pending realty application publicly seized is important to us. making sure that there is greater alignment between state and local governments and renewal energy and transmission setting is important to nevada. and prioritizing the distribution of funds from the southern nevada public land management act special account for retail conservation and -- is important to nevada. so congresswoman, can i have your commitment that you and your staff will prioritize he fishing land management and greater collaboration with the state of nevada? >> yes senator. thank you. >> and then let me talk on something that i know, i was listening to some of my colleagues talk about. i want to put this in perspective. there's a lot of speculative or land ghastly seeing on federal lands and that is a concern of mine. in recent years, the blm has
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spent inordinate amount of time and resources offering fast a crutches for oil and gas development on lands where oil and gas industry doesn't really have any development interest, and online that have little to no potential for development. making these land available for leasing only fuels the speculation industry and it really weighs blm resources, why locking up the line from being managed for purposes like wildlife habitat, preservation and outdoor recreation and praising. so i introduced the end speculative or line cast leasing act, i would asked you to commit to reviewing my beloved considering the value of implementing this policy. will you be willing to do so? >> i'd be happy to review your bill, of course, i'll have to read it first. i would love to work with you in any capacity on issues you think are important and look forward to being, getting to
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know that horror. >> wonderful, thank you. in addition to all that we have discussed and more, i have worked very hard with my colleagues of nevada and in impacting can industries on alternative proposals to the defense department's modernization -- fret not listened fouling -- in my state. in both instances, the air force and navy has sought to expand their operations, which have substitutes impacts on lands managed by the interior department, including wildlife refugees, popular recreational areas, family farms and ranches and important tribal and cultural resources. the department of interior must be actively engaged in these discussions and finding reasonable workable and collaborative solutions, if confirmed, will you commit that the department of interior will seek to work with all of the stakeholders to find such solutions? >> yes, thank you.
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we will always work to strike the right balance and i appreciate you caring about this issue, senator. >> thank, you and one final commitment i need for you. in the fiscal year 21, i include an amendment creating in between the military and the interior part of the local state and tribal governments have how to collaborate with the military and providing advice and exchanging information on the management of natural, local resources on federal lands in nevada that are currently used for military purposes. will you commit to establishing this committees? >> senator, i love collaboration. i think that's a way we can get and -- make sure that things are moving forward and i appreciate you carrying so much about that and i look forward to working with you on it. >> thank you. thank you again for your willingness to serve. >> thank you senator, we have two more senators and we will
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adjourn. we have senator marshall at this time and then we will have senator -- to finish up. then we will come back tomorrow. but we will adjourn after these. to thank >> thank you chairman and welcome congresswoman, and congratulations on your nominee. thank you to the chairman and the ranking member for giving me the opportunity, this is a dream come true from a little kid from kansas to be all this particular committee. you know, i think about growing up and why i'm on this committee, and i want to leave it better than we found it as a boy scout, that's what we were taught. and, just looking forward to the days ahead of us, that i can share with my grandchildren, the national parks that i visited and continuing this fishing and hunting across this great country, how we can continue to improve our environment that also have affordable energy. where is that compromise to get both of those? if those are our goals, and insupportable energy is very important to the prosperity and my grandchildren's future, just like it is the opportunity to
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visit these national parks and of course, you know, finally i think about energy and national security and how important those two issues and whether combining in the importance to my children and grandchildren, why this committee is so important and your muhammad action is so important to me. >> i had the pleasure of serving on the science space technology committee in the house, and one thing we were taught with that this country is at a 25 year low for carbon production. 25 year low, credible. that our carbon production is down 14% over the last decade. how would you explain that? how is this country got to this decrease carbon production through your eyes, what has been the success? >> well, we heard senator lankford talk about oklahoma having more renewable energy than they essentially get credit for, and i think that a lot of states individually have worked hard. we have an energy transition
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act in new mexico that was passed by state legislature, and i think everybody is working on the issue. i think climate change is something that folks are realizing. you know, it's an all hands on deck effort and so, i appreciate -- i really appreciate your optimism, senator, thank you. >> you bet, and i would just throughout that i think american innovations had a lot to do with it. >> absolutely. >> coal plants, burning plants are 99% cleaner than when i was growing up, the oil processing refineries. i grew up with two refineries done in my city, just the air and waters of kansas are cleaner today than i was growing up. i want to just briefly turn arc about describe burning and invasive species, and prescribed burning and grazing, invasive species i've dealt commonly on my own land, would be the salt cedar in the red cedar. and, generally, do you feel in favor without using prescribed burns and creating
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opportunities to control invasive species? >> senator, i'm glad you mentioned invasive species. it's happened on lagoon all with the salt cedar, right? it just took over immediately and there was an effort to try to eradicate the salt cedar on the banks of their rio, san jose. so i understand how fast these things grow and i look forward to working with you to find ways to remedy those situations. >> to this five minutes go by really quickly but lastly, i just want to talk about national parks for a second. one of my wife's bucket list is to go to every national park in the country, and in our bedroom, she's got a little plaque on each one of those she's checked off and two years ago, we got to go to the badlands in to mount rushmore, and wet i think i'm national parks, i think about the fourth of july in my favorite holiday of the year. and, just seeing that rush more and all this great -- and something you'll never
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forget and governor gnome reached out to mean that last night and she and her delegation who want to invite you and president biden back to mount rushmore 40 4th of july celebration, i hope you can all continue that tradition, i think it's great for america to celebrate our independence and what a great place to do that. and again, i think about national parks, i think about teddy roosevelt, perhaps america's greatest conservationist. >> thank you senator. if the pandemic is over and were able to travel, i've never been to mount rushmore and so, i appreciate that. i would also suggest that your wife get a national park passport. >> oh, we've got him! you bet you we do. >> you can put this thompson. >> it's one of the best deals in america to buy a yearlong passport and go to all these national parks. it's an incredible country we live in. thank you and i yield back. >> thank senator. and finally, senator -- >> thank you chair and
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secretary, very nice to see you again and i appreciate your taking the time with us with the committee today. like new mexico, colorado has a very strong conservation community a vigorous outdoor recreation community. one of the things i'm very interested in, a sponsor senator -- and economy arc. which would protect over 400,000 people of public lands colorado, including new designations for farm service land. the bill enjoys support bipartisan of local elected officials, business owners, recreational lists, conservationists, i think communities across our state have been working ten years on this bill as a historic effort to protect public lands. and the court act is key to help ensure colorado's enjoy
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the thriving outdoor recreation economy, and pristine outdoor spaces as you've already have been discussing this morning. i know you are as committed to outdoor recreation and public lands as i am, i was impressed the you have been to some of the public lines that are section outdoor recreation. asked and regards to the core act, the previous administration oppose the bill last congress, based on testimony that misrepresented the facts on the ground and colorado. well they said it would reduce areas open to motorized recreation, the bill in fact does not pose any existing roads, trails, off high fecal trails or motorcycle trails and i would ask that you commit to doing a full review of the agency stance on the court act, to ensure that it reflects as informed by an accurate understanding of the facts of colorado. >> senator, i was a con free on the nda last year, then i was disappointed that the court act
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wasn't included after all. i can speak for myself that i also know that president biden's support the strong outdoor economy for our entire country and i understand that the administrative intercourse is the bill. >> great, thank you. i also, you know like new mexico, colorado has in addition to that, conservation community and outdoor recreation community, an important oil and gas industry the developmental orders states that existing operations will not be impacted by the delegation authority and yet, many ancillary aspects from permits, right of ways over blm land, which are essential to those existing operations would require approval from a small number of individuals, which sometimes can create calm delays any risks. and i've heard concerns from
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tribal groups, from operators that, despite promises of the moratorium want impact existing leases, the existing this is my become permanent. so i was hoping that you'd be willing to learn who work with us to provide some certainty around those existing right of ways and existing permits but, that they will be not negatively impacted. >> senator, i'll be very happy to work with you. as i mentioned before, the congress is a coequal branch of government. i think if we work together, we can get a lot of accomplished. >> perfect, i appreciate that. and as you and i previously discussed, i strongly support keeping the blm headquarters at grand junction. i know it's somewhat controversial, i've had conversations with a number of my senate colleagues, particularly those representing
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states with substantial blm land, and i've seen broad bipartisan support for our headquarters office to remain in the west. i think we should act salute lee avoid the mistakes of the last administration, but i think uprooting those employees in grand junction and moving them again would be disruptive and likely result and the loss of even more blm employees. the last administration, i don't think managed to move properly. it was perceived as an attack on the blm and trying to reduce its capabilities. and i think we haven't been able to realize the full potential of what headquarters or more of those jobs, especially if they were dispersed across the west and if those jobs were committed to protecting our public lands, and looking at things like outdoor recreation and all uses on blm lands. so i hope there is a path forward where we can find a solution that restores a fully functional agency why allowing the blm staff to were close to the lands that they manage.
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as you consider the supporting issue, i'm hoping you will commit to keeping an open dialog and working with us western senators. >> oh, absolutely, i'll keep an open dialog and if you're inviting me to colorado, i gracefully accept. >> that was my next question. let's just see the blm land out there, but also see the new headquarters and what it looks like. >> thank you senator. i look forward to consulting more on this issue with you and i understand that we absolutely need to make sure that this staff members are, you know, that we have a full team there at the alum. and you probably know this already, 90% of interior employees are actually outside of d.c., so they're all over the place >> we applaud that. thank you so much. >> thank you senator. and the committee will stand in
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recess until tomorrow morning at 10 am in the same room that we're in tonight. thank you.
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