tv QA Author Darlene Superville on the Life and Career of First Lady Jill... CSPAN May 8, 2022 11:00pm-12:00am EDT
to have an abortion into federal law. 60 votes are needed to advance the bill. this comes after draft supreme court decision overturning roe v. wade was leaked to the press. live coverage of the house c-span, and the senate on c-span2. >> are you prepared for what it was like to be the first lady? >> i think it is a little bit harder than i imagined. it is not like a job that you do. it is a lifestyle that you live. it is 24 hours a day.
>> the biography of jill biden. i am trying to think of how many first ladies have come into the role with as many years of experience. were you surprised that she has been regarded like this? >> when she talks about it being 24/7, the first lady is the first lady at all times. she is also teaching, she is still teaching two days a week in northern virginia community college. she has that on top of her first lady sponsor abilities. it is probably a lot to juggle. >> she has made history in her role of teaching. you described in the book that it resented a lot of challenges for the white house team to avoid the cause of the constitution. can you explain what kind of
compromise they had to come to with her salary? >> because she is teaching at a state school, there is a cause were -- where she is not supposed to be paid with state money. the compromise is that northern community college may do so she is paid from a separate -- a separate pot of money so the funds are not coming from the state. >> reading the description of that, your co-author writes about this need every invention in our society. there is still a challenge in teaching. you wonder how challenging it would be to continue. >> depending on what kind of job the next first lady has, there may be all sorts of potential conflict of interest that the white house would have to navigate and figure out whether that person can continue to work or not or restructure the role
or the job so they can continue to work. susan: how does dr. biden manage her teaching? darlene: she teaches two days a week. tuesdays and thursdays. most of her first lady functions are scheduled around the teaching. you will see her traveling and dealing with events. there were viral classes. the school is back in session. this goes back to when she was married to joe biden he was vice president. she asks them to dress casually, like students, carry backpacks. there is a small secret security detail that is with them at all times. some of them are in her
classroom. the students have to go through the regular standard checks we would all go through if we were going to a function that involves the president or the first lady. your bags would be checked or sent through an x-ray machine. you would walk through a magnetometer. >> you wrote that dr. biden would be traveling and part of the trip would be meeting with moms and children who were refugees from the war. what is her approach to the issues she gets involved in and the assignments she has taken on for the administration? >> she approaches a lot of those things as a mother and grandmother. one of the things she is going to do when she is in ukraine -- she spoke about this earlier this week when she was in new york proving that previewing an exhibit for the michaela and she talked about supervising with a
lot of the women and children who had to leave ukraine because of the war and how she understands what they might be going through because she is also a mother like many of those women are. >> you have been covering politics for court a while. why did you think it was important to do a biography of jill biden? darlene: we thought it was important to try to help the public understand who the woman is first lady. although jill biden has been on the political time frequent sometime, basically through marriage to joe biden who has been in politics for about half a century now, people know a little bit less about her. she lives in delaware. when he was vice president and she was second lady, she was second lady to michelle obama. shall obama got a lot of the attention during those years. and now jill biden is coming
into her own as first lady. it was important to tell her story to help people understand who she is and where she came from. >> you are granted three interviews. how long did it take you to get a yes for that? >> it took a little bit of negotiating because she has a very busy schedule with all of her other first lady functions. we did sit down with her for three one-hour interviews and those happened in september. crimes were they at the white house? did you have any groundrules she insisted on? >> they were all at the white house. she laid out tea and coffee for us. one of the first meetings prosper.
-- for us. she said there was not anything off-limits. >> how did you use your time? >> one of the things we wanted to do was question this. in philadelphia is where she spent most of her formative years. we also talked to her about a lot of her experiences on the senate campaign. susan: we see her on camera. to learn a bit more about what you saw in that situation is interesting. you described her as open but guarded. what does that mean? >> she is very private and guarded to a certain extent. she is also very funny. she showed an irreverent side, joking around with us at times.
related to that, a couple of times you describe her and even call her a prankster. that may -- that may be a surprise to people. what is an example of a surprise that she called. >> one example was last year where she took a trip. i don't remember exactly where she went but on the flight home back to washington dc she left her seat, disappeared for a while and she dressed like a flight attendant and then came back and handed out double ice cream bars. no one on the plane recognized it was her. i don't know how staff did not
realize that was her. susan: readers will find out that she has been a long distance runner for a long time. how did she get started in that and she still able to run as first lady? >> yes. she talked to us about clashing with her daughter, actually during actually teenage years. she just put them on and went for a run. she is a long-distance runner but she does not do it anymore. because of her affinity for high-heeled shoes and wearing high-heeled shoes messes up your feet. her biography says that she is 70 years old. she will be 71 next month. she was born in hammonton new
jersey. that is in southern new jersey. somewhere between atlantic city and pennsylvania. the family name is jacobs. i was surprised to find out in some of the research that i had done is that she is our first italian american first lady, her family name was changed. the family name was jacopa and then it was changed and americanized to jacobs. >> what was family life for young jill? darlene: she described as idyllic. they had a lot of love is what she told us. she grew up with four sisters. her father was in the navy at one point and then he became an executive at the back and worked his way up through the bank. she just talked about the carefree lifestyle, not coming home until it was dark.
smelling the coffee that her italian grandparents would make, eating lots of bread, making pasta with her grandmother. those kinds of memories or what she shared with us. >> does she have childhood friends? >> interesting question. i don't know. >> where they very political when they were growing up? darlene: not at all. she told us they did not really talk about politics around the dinner table. it is not something she grew up with. even when she first met joe biden she was not interested in politics. she told us she had no idea what i senator did when she went on that and him his first day. she can -- she was confirmed as a presbyterian. she does not go to church but senator biden goes to church every sunday.
susan: unlike her family, she was drawn to religion and went there and confirmed at age 16. >> she was drawn to religion at one point and followed her parents into the church. she also talks later in life about falling away from religion after her son passed away from cancer angie has only recently been able to restore her faith in god. she had a first marriage at age 18. darlene: yes. i was surprised to learn she was married at age 18. she was in high school and a young college athlete started dating her, they fell in love. this is where she ended up transferring to and they set up
an apartment and started to build their lives together. >> why did that marriage fail? darlene: unclear. she did not talk about that very much in our interviews and when we reached out to bill stevens and got him on the telephone, he also declined to go into detail. >> she met joe biden because he was already a senator. he was coming home to wilmington on a weekend and was walking through the airport, looked up and saw a billboard and on that billboard was jill biden. joe was with one of his brothers and said she was the kind of woman he wanted to date. at that point he had been a widower. the brother fixed him up. he knew jill. he set them up on a date. that is how they ended up going for that dinner and a date. she was in her early 20's.
>> he was a very determined suitor so it took him five proposals before she finally said yes. what can you add to that story? why was he so determined and why was she hesitant? >> he was determined because he fell in love again and he just knew that he wanted to marry jill. he also had 2 young sons. jill was a little bit hesitant for a couple of reasons. one was the end of her first marriage. this is the consideration of beau and hunter. she did not want beau and hunter to lose another mother.
" this was something else that caught my attention. early on, they said that job was going to be president one day and she needed to be ok with that. >> yes. that is the story and she is ok with it. >> she had to understand what she was getting herself into with someone who was a sitting senator with presidential aspirations were not at age 24 question mark >> she did understand there was a public side to his life. that was also a consideration in her reluctance to say i do before he gave her that ultimatum.
correct there is an interesting factoid. she was a registered republican when they met and still one when they married. >> was he able to vote for him? >> she ended up changing her registration and voted for him. >> you highlight the promise when she said yes that joe biden made to jill in the beginning of the book. what was that promise? >> he promised that her life would not change. that is the promise most politicians make to their wives when they are married. >> how do you think joe biden's decision to remain at home in wilmington committed to the capital almost on a daily basis impacted family life and her ability to continue her own professional life? >> it had a great impact because
she was able to maintain the identity she had already built in delaware. she was a new mother to beau and hunter. three years after they got married. her daughter actually was born. all of those things were very important to her. not to move away from washington. >> into the high-profile political life. about 10 years later, before we talk about that, i am wondering if you can explain the various roles -- the candidates themselves, jill -- how did they get involved in political decisions? how did they operate as a team? might operate as a family. a lot of times they were called
family meetings to discuss different issues. there were family meetings called during the various presidential campaigns that he waged. his mother when she was alive, he turned to his mom for excite -- his mom for advice. bo was seen as an up-and-coming advisor, not only heir apparent to senator biden -- jill is seen as someone he leans on for counsel and guidance and whenever he has big decisions to make. >> when bo was still alive, was bo and advisor to the president? >> he would lean more on bo because bo was headed down the political track. he was at one point the attorney general of delaware. he served in the delaware national guard.
hunter went into more of the business realm. >> the first presidential campaign in 1987, we have jill biden talking about what first lady should do. >> i want to talk to you about the role of the first lady. a role that i think is very personal that depends on the views of the individual women. there is no one specific right role but there is one objective. that is to make americans feel proud of their first lady and to feel that in some way she is the reflection of their lives and their values. >> in the book, you write even after 10 years, the race for the presidency had a level of scrutiny that joe biden had to learn. >> first lady's are always the
subject of huge fascination in the united states and in a presidential campaign there is a lot of attention on the candidates but also the woman that could become first lady and knowing how much she valued her privacy, she had to adjust to the new level of scrutiny that was coming with those -- with their campaign. >> in the book, we learn that there is a problem to be solved. do you find that often? >> there is often tension between campaign staff. we saw this in the obama campaign back in 2008 with michelle obama and tension there over things that she did and did not do. that is not unusual to find in a presidential campaign. >> joe biden's first primary effort faulted because of plagiarism famously.
what was her role in his decision to pull out of the place. -- the race? >> she was there. they had discussions. there may have been one of those family meetings we talked about earlier and he decided that pulling out of the race was the right decision to make and she was there to support that decision. >> this letter with a view -- left her with a view of politics that was difficult to get beyond. >> she felt a little burned by the whole experience. they had gone into the 1987 campaign really believing he was going to be elected president. when it did not happen, it was a huge disappointment. the allegations of plagiarism,
the way he was treated by the media. she did not like that his integrity was being questioned from her vantage point. she was soured on that part of the process. >> he was chair of the senate judiciary committee and confirmation hearings were happening. what was the thinking between the two of them about his responsibilities in the senate versus the campaign? >> in deciding to pull out of the campaign they reached the calculation that there would always be another presidential campaign and he could run again if he wanted to but there would not be another opportunity to get this off of the supreme court. this is the fight they needed to wage at that time. the next family crisis came after 1988. there was a brain aneurysm. darlene: during the 1987
presidential campaign, joe biden had been having lots of serious headaches. he would tell jill about them, she would encourage them to see a doctor like most lives do -- wives do with their husband and he ignored the advice and never went to the doctor. it was after he pulled out of the race and after the hearing that he was diagnosed with a severe brain aneurysm and had to be taken to the hospital and had surgery. it was a life or death moment for him and her. >> there is a memorable story about finding a priest in the room giving joe biden -- and i'm quick she had gone home to settle the kids. there was a nurse sitting at a desk outside of his room that stopped jill from going in the
room. she said her husband was in and she needed to go in and the nurse said they are giving her last rites. jill barges in and stars -- starts yelling at the priest to get out. >> my take away is that she did not want joe to think that she was dying and last rites are administered when the situation looks hopeless. she also did not want to believe that he was dying. that was my take away and why i think she reacted that way. >> another thing i remember from reading that part of your book is that when she felt like a biden because she had been taken over -- she had taken over decision-making for his care. >> they were all talking about his treatment and she was sitting there and all it seemed like a light bulb went off. she had this moment of
realization that she was his wife and she is the one that needs to be making these decisions. she gets up and tells the family that is my husband. i am supposed to be making these decisions. she wrote that is the moment when she began to feel like a member of the family. >> it took about eight months for him to recover and return working in the senate. what was the biden family political life like during the 1990's? darlene: during the 1990's there were still a lot of people wanting to encourage joe to run for president. he was involved in the senate, raising his profile. those kinds of things. jill was settling more into her
routine in delaware, being a mother, teaching again, that kind of thing. she was not looking ahead for another campaign just yet. >> she received her phd during that time. dear member what her focus was for her phd? >> educational leadership. >> this is a story that she told a few times. >> they were there at home in wilmington, delaware, sitting around with lots of advisors who are encouraging joe to run and talking about plans and strategies and poll numbers and all of the things that advisors talk to you about when they are trying to encourage you to run for president. she was sitting outside by the pool in her bikini and listening to this discussion. she was not very much into the idea of him running into 1004 so the way that she registered her
displeasure with the group of aids that were there was she found a sharpie or a magic marker and wrote no on her belly and walked through the meeting so they could all see that she was against him running for president at that time. >> what happened to the discussions? >> i think they were tabled because she he did not run. their two sons were all in. >> into 2005, we were in the middle of the bush administration and the war in iraq and she was very much opposed to the war. as was a large segment of the public and given joe's experience in foreign policy and his service on the foreign relations committee and the senate, she was among those that felt that now would be a time for him to run and to try to put an end to the war.
>> what did he do in the military? darlene: he served in the delaware army national guard. he was a major and he spent about a year overseas. >> how did that impact their relationship with the military? darlene: i think it gave jill a different deeper appreciation for military families and the sacrifices they make. her father was in the navy in world war ii. she grew up with some exposure to the military and postal service and the delaware army national guard deepened that appreciation for the military. >> this is from 2008 in cedar falls, iowa before the iowa caucuses. >> ashlee and i got together as a family without joe and we decided we wanted to ask joe to run for president.
we thought that he was the only one who could unite the red state and the blue states, the republicans and independents and the democrats. he had done it so many times before. >> you right in the book that jill's confidence in campaigning was transformational in 2008. what happened? >> like most political spouses do, you get used to it and she had to go out and give speeches for joe when he could not go out on the campaign trail. she got better and better at it overtime. she hired a coach and would practice so that she was really taking this seriously. >> she wanted to get better at public speaking which is not something she had done before.
she describes getting up in front of a classroom and talking to a classroom of students as being much different than talking to hundreds or even thousands of people at a campaign event. the 2008 campaign was short-lived. she took the first loss very hard. >> this one was probably not as hard as the first one. the 2008 campaign had a couple of huge personalities in it. hillary clinton was running at the time and senator barack obama was running at the time. joe only got 1% of the vote. i think she was more realistic about the prospects of him advancing, just being up against hillary and barack obama.
susan: after this loss is when you report that she got much more deeply involved with military families including one in delaware called boots on the ground. what sort of active role did she take? >> this is an organization that helps military families in delaware. she did not just let her name, she contributed with fundraising and just volunteering and that kind of thing. she was very hands-on involved with delaware boots on the ground. grace if you talk about military families, what do they have to say about this? >> they love the fact that she is as involved as she is with military families. it resonates with a lot of military families because they feel as though the biden's what
they are talking about because her own son was in the military versus some lawmakers or politicians who don't have that same first-hand experience. >> when the call came for joe biden to be barack obama's running mate, he declined. >> he waffled a little bit. he wasn't -- he had issues with the prospect of being someone's number two. he was in the senate, he ran the committee, he liked the autonomy and power he had. he had to really think about whether to do that or not. correct you remember what her admission was to him about this? question she told him to grow up. >> one with the vice presidential nominee. every move became managed by people they never met. he watched a lot of this up close. what is the adjustment like for
people in the midst of this? >> all of the sudden he becomes vice president and she becomes what we now call second lady. she gets a staff. she never really had a staff of four. she is doing events and is kind of living life more in the fishbowl. it is an adjustment for someone like that who is guarded and chair is -- cherishes their privacy. >> what can you tell us about her relationship with michelle obama? >> they have a genuine friendship is how i would describe it. it started in 2008 when they first met during the campaign. it was at obama's campaign announcement when they brought the bidens onto the ticket. they worked closely together in the white house. they both worked on an initiative called joining forces
which was supporting military families and veterans and caregivers. >> when they one, this was the first time the bidens served in washington dc. how did she approach life in washington? >> she ended up getting a new teaching job. that is when she started teaching at the local community college near northern virginia community college. she often says that teaching is not something she does. it is who she is. through coming to washington in this new role, she still needed to teaching to ground or a little bit and center her. >> was there any debate with the obama administration about whether or not she should continue? darlene: there was debate among some of her advisors. i don't know if it carried over. some of the people thought the
idea of her teaching was just crazy but she was insistent. >> she was insistent and determined to do it because it was something she had done her whole life. it was her career and part of her identity. >> the next family crisis was joe biden -- beau biden's stroke. it was five years before he passed away. what was the process like for the family dealing with his diagnosis and treatment and how they managed that personal aspect? >> that was difficult because i think the doctors did not really know what caused the stroke to begin with. it was one of the situations where the biden family closed ranks and support each other and
came together and they don't really talk about it a lot. which we saw in the later years when bo came down with cancer. he got better for a while. they began to talk about the possibility of his political career researching and then the cancer diagnosis. she had other family members dealing with cancer. the cancer initiative they are involved in is a personal one for them. did you ask her about her deal with all of these cancer diagnoses and her personal life and professional life? >> his cancer diagnosis, she had several friends were also diagnosed with breast cancer. i think a lot of people think or cancer advocacy began with his diagnosis. she also had a sister that had a
cancer diagnosis. i believe it was a bone marrow transfer. all of that is poured into the cancer initiative that president obama started toward the end of the obama administration, putting joe biden in charge of that and just recently president biden resurrected this. it is designed to pour money into research and development and cancer as we know it. at a time when beau biden seemed to be recovering, there was discussion about entering the presidential foray. >> yes. he seemed like the heir apparent to his father and oftentimes you will hear president biden talk about how much he wished he was around. there were definitely looking at him to one day go down the
presidential track. the bidens became private citizens for the first time in their marriage. what was that like as they returned to delaware? >> it was tough. she told us that every president makes changes to what their predecessor has done while in office. she just did not expect the wholesale dismantling of much of the obama and biden agenda that president trump was undertaking. president biden talked about this as a source of inspiration for his decision to run, the right and charlottesville, virginia early in the first year.
they were just appalled is the best way to describe their reaction to that. enter president trump's handling of that situation. joe biden's -- jill biden because interest has waxed and waned over his running for president. what she all in question mark she was all in this time. she really believed that he was the man, the moment called for. he was the only one who could bring the country together and as we saw her talk about in the clip, he could unite the country , united states, blue states, that kind of thing.
>> it was a campaign that happened in the middle of the pandemic. how did she approach it? >> she was out there, giving speeches, campaigning with him as well as apart from him. when the pandemic struck and ever they shut down, she did a lot of events over zoom the same way that president biden did. she was in it 150% this time. she really wanted him to win. she continued to teach up to a point when she did for the first time take a leave of absence from her teaching. so that she could be on the campaign full-time. just the fact that she did decide to take a leave of absence, just knowing how much teaching means to her, the fact that she took a leave of absence
tells you how much she believed in this particular campaign. >> we have this opportunity -- you had the experience of watching other first ladies set up their staff. what can you share about how she has approached it? >> she did it a bit different than most first ladies do. she had been thinking about being for -- about being first lady off and on for several decades. she worked with people over the years. she came into the position knowing who she wanted to be her chief of staff advisor. she already set up her office and operation. she took steps to restart joining forces. that is the military family initiative she worked on as first lady. some of the first ladies come in
and then kind of start to think about what they are going to work on. jill already had a set list of issues she had been working on for a long time. she knew she wanted to use the new platform she had as first lady, military families, education, cancer. >> if you have to describe this kind of stuff, what has this been like? >> people have been with her for a long time, 10 years or more. they are trusted and close advisors that she has called back into the service pretty much. >> what has the observation vent how she approached the job? the valentines event on the lawn of the white house, what has been what she has brought to the position? darlene: she tries to find the joy in every day.
there was an example of her trying to bring a little bit of joy. an example of her trying to say that i am here for you to the country. she is also very active. i think she will be considered probably one of the more active first ladies. she is traveling quit a bit, sometimes much more than the president. all of those things go into her approach. >> i would love to have you describe what your observation has been or what she told you about the relationship. the fact that the two of them sleep in the same bedroom in the white house and when that phone call comes at 3:00 in the morning, it was that both of them. is that unusual for first couples to sleep in the same room? >>, except.
i think michelle obama and barack obama shared a bedroom. the bushes. there are stories that donald trump and melania trump did not. it is also described that joe biden does not like to be away from her for more than a couple of days. >> that is true. she is always wondering where she is and when she is coming home. she is central to his being, his every day and he does get a little cranky if she is gone for a couple of days or more. it was a similar situation with the bushes.
>> i would describe it as successful. first ladies are not supposed to do anything that will detract from what their husbands are trying to do. everything she has done has been in service of the administration. going out and promoting his agenda. she spent a lot of time in that first year focused on the pandemic and vaccines. she spent a lot of time traveling the country trying to encourage people to get vaccinations and vaccinate their children. she has been promoting the american rescue plan and i think she has even done some of that from the bipartisan infrastructure bill. she is one of the administration possible top surrogates.
-- administration costs -- administration's top surrogates. >> she told the person who asked this question that she shied away from being able political advisor and describe the relationship as a marriage but in all marriages, wives are telling husbands what to do or giving them their opinions and advice. you have to assume that he is getting some of that advice and counsel from her. certainly on issues of education
in which she is an expert. whether or not that transfers into policy it is too soon to know. >> joe biden and the #metoo movement, they were encapsulated by the anita hill hearings. >> there was a time when he was accused of being hands-on with some women. her response was that -- she did not really got into a lot of detail about it in the few interviews we saw her do. she said that he learned from it and she talked about an experience she had similar to what he was being accused of but did not go into great detail. talk about how women back then did not talk about it but now
women feel more open discussing those kinds of things. >> the biden family finances. she was very modestly paid throughout her teaching career and joe biden had a senator salary for others 30 years. you even have a scene in the book when beau biden's cancer treatment became expensive, barack obama offered to help because it became very expensive. how did they go from that to buying almost a $3 million house? >> book deals. she wrote a memoir in 2019. he also wrote a book: "promise me that" they got a lot of book advance money and that is how they were able to improve their finances in a big way.
hunter biden appears throughout the book. including one time when she and the family stage in -- are staged an intervention. how does she talk about the investigations into hunter biden and the struggles he has had which have been very public for the family? >> she does not talk about that at all. i had not heard her speak about it. there will come a point in time when that may change. especially if the republican party is successful. they had telegraphed they will investigate hunter biden and his business dealings. she has not talked about that publicly yet. there is a department of justice investigation going on which they have not commented on.
another new book out -- one of those was about jill biden. she opposed the idea of picking senator harris as the vice presidential running mate. i wanted to play a clip of her talking about kamala harris. >> as many of you know, our vice president's path to the white house began before she could even walk, marching with her parents in the civil rights movement or at least being pushed in a stroller. since then she has dedicated her life to pursuing justice and opportunity for all. she is a partner to joe, especially on issues like voting rights and is proud to be the
first but not the last. ladies and gentlemen, the vice president. >> what did you learn about her views as senator -- of senator harris as a running mate? >> there was one time when senator harris attacked joe biden over the issue of busing pretty strongly. jill did not take kindly to that and did not appreciate senator harris behaving that way toward the president. senator harris had worked with beau biden when they were both attorney general's in their
respective states and forged a friendship and they had seen senator harris as somewhat of a friend of the family so jill was taken back by this. but politics is politics and a lot of those things get swept under the rug. in the final analysis, when joe decided that senator harris was whose -- who he wanted to join him on the ticket, she had to make peace with that and go along. >> what kind of relationship have she and the second gentleman developed? >> they have a great relationship. she helped him with some of the duties he is doing in his bowl. they have gotten off to a good start. susan: in the five minutes we have left, a couple of questions. you write that jill biden has
evolved in many ways across her personal and private life. how so? >> one would be the evolution we talked about here in terms of her role as a political spouse from someone who married a guy -- this is one of the greatest political assets, someone traveling around the country. it has been an evolution. >> it is impossible to see what impact she would have. >> i would say that what she has done is made it easier for the next first lady as we talked about to keep a job outside of the white house if any of her successes decide they want to do that. she has laid the groundwork for
it. it may even have become expected that the first lady will also work outside of the house. >> just a couple of closed questions here. >> it has been a very interesting process writing this book. it is pretty much what i thought it would be. the focus to get the chapters written and the manuscript turned in on time. i enjoyed a lot of interviews we did with a lot of the people. >> what was your writing relationship? >> julie and i have a great relationship. we worked together in the white house.
we were both assigned to the obama white house back in 2009. we have worked together for a long time. it was very easy to work with her on the book. we traded chapters back and forth. we coordinate it on our interviews and during this whole process, she was the washington bureau chief. by the end of the process she had become the executive editor and moved on to new york. >> i see you in the white house briefing room taking questions. >> this administration has restored a sense of tradition to the briefing room. the ap is called on first for the first question of the briefing. it is a little bit more orderly than it used to be under the previous administration.
most of us get our questions in and that kind of thing. susan: have you heard from the white house about their reaction to your book? >> we have not heard any formal reaction to the book so no news is good news in our opinion. susan: thank you for spending one hour with us. i just have one question. the title. you referenced earlier that dr. biden is how she must've thinks of herself and her most important role. why did you decide on the name jill? darlene: one thing that the first lady does is whenever she goes places and meet people for the first time -- she walks in and says i am jill.
one of the things that we wanted to do in our book was introduced people to who the first lady is. we thought that she introduces herself as jill and that made a pretty decent title for the book. susan: thank you for spending one hour with c-span. darlene: thank you. >> all q&a programs are available on a website or as a podcast