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and packed so much in the show. >> happy valentine's day. \s good sunday morning, everyone. i'm maria bartiromo, welcome to "sunday morning futures." remembering justice antonin scalia. plus the debate over his replacement. fireworks. six of the remaining gop candidates trading jabs last night ahead of the critical primary ahead of south carolina. who were the winners and losers ahead? plus mice exclusive interview with house speaker paul ryan. his take on immigration and the state of the economy today, as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures."
the country pauses to remember supreme court justice antonin scalia, the iconic conservative justice who served since 1986, died yet at the age of 79. this gives president obama the chance to shift the balance on the court. joini joining me is a law clerk and knew justice scaliaia. thank you, gentlemen. john, let me kick this off with you, mr. yu, you clerked for clarence thomas. let's talk about the man and the legacy of justice scaldian. >> in terms of legacy, justice scalia is the leading light of the conservative revolution in the law. when he came to the court, he put a stake into the heart of
what we call the warren court and its cases, even though he came many years later. he set the tone for constitutional debate. we live in the world that ronald reagan said, today we live in the world defined by justice scalia. turning the attention to the text, and the conscience of judicial restraint and referring to the democratic process, and rejecting the idea most importantly that the constitution evolves and changes. he firmly believed that the constitution endures based on the meaning at the time. those who agree and disagree still argue with it in terms of that debate. tom dupree was known as saying words say what they say, words matter. known for his integrity, defending his constitution, to the exact word. your thoughts on his legacy? >> that's exactly right.
one of the things he always maintained fidelity to the original intent of our framers. one of the points he would often makes, frequently dissenting opinions, what kind of country do we live in if at the pass off some of the most decisions to nine unelected lawyers? he had a great respect for democracy, a great respect for the structure, this wonderful structure that the framers bequeathed to us, and did everything he could in his power to maintain and determine it. >> also proud italian-american i should point out. now after his death. obama has an opening to shift the balance in the supreme court. where does this go now? let's talk about the process, and what the president now will do in terms of shifting the balance on the supreme court? tom, how do you see it? >> well, i think the fate of the supreme court will be in the hands of the senate republicans
form the president within hours of the news yesterday announced his intent to push forward with a gnome near. i think that's not the right decision, i think it's hasty. the president is determined to get someone up, nominated, confirmed, so i think the spotlight will shift to the republicans in the senate, and whether or not they want to allow this to proceed tore defer and permit the new president to make his or her selection. >> which is why, john, almost immediately you heard from the candidates running for president, basically saying leave it to the american people. juans this election is through, and have the next president nominate and appoint someone. >> if you're a republican candidate or a republican in the senate, the last person you want to give the pick to is president obama, who many of his decisions i think have violated the constitution are actually before the supreme court right now and will be affected by justice scalia's passing. i suspect he won't pick someone
seriously, because he knows the senate won't confirm anyone, so someone symbolic he can use to beat on the hinds of the candidates for not confirming, because the senate won't confirm them and it would be one of the many issues that this election will be important for, is the future direction of the supreme court. so it sounds like you don't think the president will be successful in actually pushing his nominee through? >> no, there's a precedent for this. in 1968 in the last year of president johnson's administration, chief justice earl warren was sat down and president johnson tried to -- the senate tried to filibuster and did successfully, and the seat was left on the floor for president nixon to fill. tom, let me ask you to go through a couple important cases now pending in front of the supreme court. so viewers understand what's at stake over the near term? >> where to begin, maria?
coming up this term, we have the challenge to the president's executive action on immigration. we have a very significant abortion case that's coming up, affirmative action cases. cases concern separation of powers. i think there's many critical issues that will be decided in the nest few months. as john noted, many of 9 concerned actions the president himself did. so there's no surprise he wants his ninth point to pass judgment on the legality of his own actions. >> i think that is absolutely right. do you agree with tom then, john, in terms of the president probably broadband unlikely to get his nominee through. >> i think it will be very difficult, but to me it's not entirely clear which strategy the president will take. i agree with john it's possible he'll make a political choice to
rile up the base, it's also possible he may look to a nominee that the president would portray as a consensus nominee, but of course the objective there too would also be to store and the presidents rejected him. so whichever way it cuts, i suspect the president will view this through a political lens. >> important points that you both make. thank you for joining us. we appreciate your time. we'll see you soon. the. last night turned outing to a slugfest. how it will impact next weeks's primary. follow me on twitter, and let us know what you'd like to hear. coming up, we'll speak with paul ryan, as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures." you do all this research on a perfect car,
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the remaining six gop candidates getting confrontational. one of the sharpest and most personal, changes between skrje bush and donald trump. >> i get sick and tired of him going against my family. my dad is the greatest man alive in my mind. while he was building a reality tv show, my brother was building a security apparatus to keep us safe, and i'm proud of what he did. he's had the gall to go after my mother. >> the world trade center came down under -- >> some boos there at the end t
mick mulvaney, a member of the house freedom caucus, so good to have you on the program. >> thanks for having me. >> a lifelong resident of the carolinas. let me get your take on that exchange and the boos we heard when donald trump basically tried to say that it was george w. bush's fault that the towers came down. >> i'm not sure why he did that. it was a fairly pro-bush audience, and as critical as trump has been, i don't know of anybody generally in the country who blames george bush for 9/11, and certainly nobody in that room. that was the strange evening for most of the time. >> what do you think this plays for the people who are going to be going and voting next in the
primary. >> i don't think that he did well, i'm not sure why he was attacking donald trump. first of all he won't get donald trump's voters away from him. secondly if he did peel them off, they'll go to ted cruz or marco rubio. i don't think he did well. i hot john cason and motor vehicle motor vehicle did well and i thought that cruz and bush just tread water. >> interesting. it felt like these last couple days, jeb bush was getting his sea legs backs, but you don't think it's going to necessarily materialize in votes? >> well, look, if he's going to do well, he'll do well in south carolina that's a good place for him, a good audience for him last night. i don't think he had a newt
gingrich type of moment. four energy newt gingrich was in fourth place and ended up winning from a strong debate performance. i don't think we saw that with jeb bush. if anything, he probably lost ground to kasich. >> and kasich is doing much better than before. in terms of the most important issue toss the people in south carolina, what do you think number one and two are? >> immigration still drives a lot of things here. you saw that last night and saw where that was probably more of the meat of the discussion, the candidates tended to agree on a lot of the areas, and then there was a brought variety of policies on display. i thought that was helpful. the one thing that disappointed me was debt and deficit were only mentioned twice, once by mr. bush and by doctor carson.
that's unfortunate. i think that's driving a lot of conversation here in south carolina. >> and you have to give donald trump credit for pounding on this issue of immigration. actually we'll be speaking with paul ryan on immigration in this hour. let me get your take on justice scalia. what would you like to see take place this morning? in terms of the president fighting back. >> i have to give credit to governor kasich. i'm not one of his supporters, but i thought his answer was the most thoughtful. we all know somebody will pick the president. if you're the president you're going to nominate somebody, but when someone suggested he pick somebody with bipartisan support and be a uniting force, i thought that was a good answer. maybe the president would serve well to following that advice. my guess is that's not going to happen. >> do you think the president
will be able to get his nominee through? >> no. >> simple answer there. [ laughter ] >> thanks for being on the program. >> thanks, maria. >> joining us congressman mulvaney. house speaker paul ryan will join with us with the issues most critical to our national security. we're looking ahead this morning on "sunday morning futures." paul ryan is next. i think it landed last tuesday. one second it's there. then, woosh, it's gone. i swear i saw it swallow seven people. seven. i just wish one of those people could have been mrs. johnson. [dog bark] trust me, we're dealing with a higher intelligence here. ♪ the all-new audi q7 is here.
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i knew him, i respected him, i looked up to him. we all did. is mean time, i spoke exclusively with the speaker earlier about his aendenda. speaker ryan, thanks so much for joining us this morning. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me, maria. >> you have announced a six committee-led task force charged with developing a bold new growth agenda that will be presented to the country in the coming months. can you go through some of those priorities for us? >> sure. basically five big priorities that we think are in desperate need of reform. number one, growing the economy, number two, we've got a lot of people in poverty, maria we are not re-claiming the american idea. there are a lot of people, for
people out of the poverty and reforming welfare. number three. obama care isn't working, it's failing, and our health care entitlements are bringing us to a dead crisis. we have to address that. we have to be a proposition party. part of that means what will we replace obama care with. number four, the national security is a wreck. the military is under duress. we need to show people what a vision likes look. number five, arguably most important, how do we re-claim the constitution, the principles of self-government? how do we got the separation of powers put back on track, so that people do have representative government and not this government by bureaucrat, which is the trend these days. all five of these things we think are necessary to see our country back on track.
we don't think the nation is heading in the right direction, and this is what we could accomplish with a president. i learned this in 2012 running with mitt romney, i think we owe the company a really clear choice. we can't wait until fall to put this choice out in the crescendo of a presidential election. we need to do it earlier so we can talk about it all summer, all fall long, so we give people a clear choice so the people of this nation gets to choose, and this is what you can do with a republican president to get our country back on track. we're doing it bottom up. it's not a top-down, it's all members of the conference listening, talking to interested parties, and putting it together. >> i think you make all great points, and i notice viewer agree. i want to go through some of the priorities with you.
let me start with national security. i feel like one of the biggest issues has been immigration. we know that every year the -- and yet polls continue to show that voters think it's too many. would you support legislation to cap the number of immigrants and green cards issued? >> well, i've always believed, look, we're not going to put immigration reform in our senate security agenda. we think a key component is actually securing the border, but you're asking something different than this. i have always supported from what people call a chain migration to an economic-based. most countries choose how to give the visas out based on their economic needs. if work is not being done.
that's not that's -- i don't want to quu what our agenda. we won't be dealing with those things other than as part of our national security agenda, security the country, security the border. >> you've been very vocal in terms of the path to citizenship, in terms of securing the border. i feel like this is one of the central or fundamental issues of the country, right? how do you know and who is allowed to live in this country? work in this country, participate in our democracy? >> can i get -- >> given the pushback from the voters, even the candidates in terms of number of green cards issued, would you not put a cap? >> yeah, we have a cap, and we can have a good debate about where that's sets, but what kinds of green cards are we giving out?
who you're related to? or based on what you contribute to the american economy? i would argue we should be giving more green cards out based on what you contribute to the economy, but let's not paper over a problem. that is labor force participation is abysmally low. we haven't seen thinks rates since the carter years. what does that mean? tens of millions of american citizens able-bodied who are not lo working or looking for a job or not in school to get a job. that's what we focus on. how do we get people off welfare into the workforce. for their own sake, for the economic growth, and we don't want a culture of dependency. we have a culture of entrepreneurship, of people rising, getting out of poverty, defining and deciding their own lives. to me before we talk about how many green cards, let's make
sure we get people in our communities who are working back to work. >> but isn't this issue central to that? because americans do not have the jobs they need to have, partly because you've got foreigners coming in taking their jobs. so that's the central issue that i'm asking you. do we want to keep open borders the way we have? >> no, no. >> or do we want some level of cap? >> yes. >> again, would you propose legislation that lowers the number of green cards issued? >> i'm not going to get into the details. i think we should have a cap, of course, and i think we should change the way we give green cards so we have economic-based visas. let congress do its job and where those caps and how they should be adjusted, but of course we should have a cap. none of this works if we don't have a secure border. that is why a part of our five-point agenda is national security, building our military, and securing the border, but
also don't forget we've to get in this country from welfare to regulatory reform, what do those things do? they decide whether we have economic growth or not, they decide whether people are getting a raise, whether people can save for their. kids' colleges. we're going to offer a bold growth agenda, to get people to work and make sure we have a secure country. that's why we're not going to be talking about visa caps in our agenda and promising what we do if we have a rep. , we'll be talking about growing this economy. more of my conversation with speaker ryan coming up. i'm going to tackle the economy and trade next with the speaker as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures." back in a moment.
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in 2016. how did we get here? >> government. look, obama-nomics. a regulatory stays is just on fire. it's unaccountable to the people, so you have a chilling effect. i was in milton, wisconsin, the other day talking to two brothers who left their jobs, started a small business. they have 40 people. they could grow faster, grow more, but they're turning away business, because they could hit the 50 employee cap because of obamacare and the costs incurred with that. so of taxes that are stifling economic grout. no path to balanced budget. tack rates masse you extreme eye high it is government, the
federal government that's puts these barriers in place and disallows businesses to grow. if we have a pro-growth economic policy there's no doubt in my mind we can't get the economy growing faster but for our government. here's what we need to do. >> also why you've announced the budget plan is dead on arrival. >> of course. >> the president has said he wants a string of new taxes 2.6 trillion in new taxes, a controversy atoil feel. so we know the conservatives are upset. are you going to propose a new budget this year?
or are you going to allow the president to continue his agenda of climate change, of refugees, of obamacare? what's your answer? >> first of all, just so you know, if we want to get rid of obamacare, if we want to change who is running the regulatory state, you have to have a new president. we have proven by passing through our reconciliation procedures, we can get a bill on the president's desk. we just did that. he vetoed it and we had a veto override. we have proven we are willing and able to put bills on a president's desk to get rid of all those things you just said. guess what? you have to have a president sign those bills into law. that's why we're putting in an agenda. we have passed five budget -- i wrote four of them, that specifically show how we could pay off the debt.
republican president. >> i understand understand that, but i guess people are frustrated the spending is locked in for this years. >> by the way, there's a big concern about our national defense, about our military. we are fixing some of that, i would argue because of our president we're not doing any near what we need to do. by the way, because of a republican legislature, because we've had the majority, we have actually cut discretionary spending. we've had real actual spending cuts, hundreds of billions will have been saved because we were in the majority because of what we have done, but it's entitlements that will be the cause of the debt crisis. these programs are going bankrupt and we have a president that refuse toss do anything about it. a president who ha rejected every single idea presented to him so the theme of this point is we need a new president.
>> there was nothing in the budget whatsoever about social security. it's crazy. when everybody knows what the problems are. final question, this is about trade, mr. speaker. back some of the mr.time you were approaching the fast track of the transpacific partnership. where does the tpp stand right now? >> i wrote the law, the trade promotion authority law, which gives congress the final say-so on whether or not we're entering a trait agreement. right now i don't see the votes there for tpp, because i think the administration negotiated an agreement with problems, flaws in it. they have to figure those out. i don't see the votes there right now. >> is it dead then? if. >> i wouldn't say it's dead, but right now they have a lot of work to do. if we brought it to the floor today, it wouldn't pass. that is the point i make. >> if you don't have the votes now, why would you have the votes later?
does it need fundamental change? >> that's the point i'm trying to make. there are things that need to be addressed. i won't go into all the details, but cross-border data flows, dairy, biologics, intellectual property rights protection. the point i'm trying to make is i don't see the votes for this agreement now. that's why i think think need to go back and work on this agreement. >> can you commit not trying tougts it to pass during a lame-duck congress? if you can't get the votes now, what do you want to change? >> i'm not going to -- look, i don't know -- i'm the speaker of the house, i'm not the dictator, ike not the micromanager. i don't see where the votes are right now. and i don't know if and when that is going to change. >> let me ask you about the brought economy right now. what do you think is the most important lever to push in order
to see growth move? is it tax reform? do you think you can get tax reform done in the first term? >> you cut out there for a second. done in the next president's first term? >> yeah. >> 2017 is our plan. >> you think you can tax reform done, first year of a new president? >> yes. yes. ronald reagan did it. why can't we? let me say this. i think the federal reserve with their loose money, with qe-forever i guess we call it now. you can't charitably say they tried to bail out policymakers for a while to give us time to right our ship. that never happened. the reason it never happened isn't because of the congress. we have a president who never wanted to tackle balancing the budget, getting us off the debt crisis past we have. and we have a president who wants higher tax rates, not lower. we just blew eight years where we could have had a chance to get our fiscal policy right. do i believe in 2017 we can turn
this around quickly? yes, i do. i think tax reform is probably the biggest piece of this. i think regulatory reform, people giving smart regulation, is critical to unlocking capital and job formation, but i think it's important to get or fiscal policy on track. we have a path to preventing a debt crisis. that helps takes our policy off the present collision course, and i think that's good for certainly, it's good for our currency, for lots of reasons. combined that with the fact we ought to be the dominant centering producer of the world, by unlocking this potential. so those three things right there, good physical past, opening up our energy policy, and tax reform, those things in my mind are critical component.
that is why we want an election where we give people a really clear choice, so we can finally what we need to do to get this turned around. >> good to see you, sir. thank you very much. another presidential debate in the books, we will talk winners and losers, what it means for whenned pal met on state -- we'll be right back. why do some cash back cards keep throwing obstacles at you? first - they limit where you earn bonus cash back. then - those places change every few months? i think i'll pass... quicksilver from capital one puts nothing in your way.
polls. boy, was it brutal. watch this. >> for most of his life, his policies have been very, very liberal. for most mofuls his life described as -- >> you are the single biggest liar, probably worse than jeb bush. let me just tell you, this guy lied about ben carson when he took votes away from ben carson in iowa, and he just continuing. >> marco went on univision? spanish and said he would not rescind president obama's illegal executive am nest on the first day of office. i have promised to rescind every single illegal action, including that one. and on the yes -- >> very quickly -- first of all, i don't know how he knows what i want on univision, because he doesn't speak spanish --.
[ speaking foreign language ] the bottom line is the people of this country and this state want to see everybody rise and they want to see unity. i don't want to get into this fighting, because people are sig of the negative campaigning, and i'm going to stay positive about what i want to do. on that note, ed rollins, also fox news accomplice cat analyst, judith miller, author and fox news contributor, and mary kissel at the "wall street journal." ed, winners and losers? >> to a certainly extent i think the american people lost. this is derogatory, and if we have two more debates like this, we'll lose voters. you can't be calling each other liars, and if you want to quote ronald reagan, they better practice what he preached, don't say nasty things about your opponents, and in the death of justice scalia, he never
basically would get into this receipt ricks, i think it's outrageous. >> i want to talk more about justice scalia, his legacy, as well as of course what happens now, but let's stay on the debate for a second. judy. >> i think the company may have lost, but it was an extraordinary debate. and i think rubio helped himself a lot. i think he did not repeat a single thing he had said twice, and moreover, i think kasich may have helped himself. i don't know if nice guys do not finish last, but i know when he said this calling one another liars, this invective, this helps get hillary clinton elected. >> we know what happened last name. romney/oba romney/obama. >> exactly. >> i think trump was rattled. he wasn't used to being booed. some of the his assertions about we with come back to this wmd, these are radical talking point
and it was just outrageous. >> you're right. all that booing, mary, i wasn't expecting that. it was a fair amount. >> it was an education at bloodletting. the new hampshire primary did not winnow the field at all. this was about taking on the front-runner donald trump. there was two essentially questions -- his temperament and whether or not his policies are sound and good for the nation and interests abroad. we certainly learned about 'tis temperament last night. he repeated conspiracy theories that are worthy of moveon. org. in terms of his policies we're finally seeing the candidates explaining what a trump presidency would be. bush again explained eminent domain and how trump has abused it. you saw cruz talking about trump
on social issues, that he supports partial-birth abortions, and you heard some education about foreign policy. trump said he liked putin, and both cruz and rubio pushed back. it wasn't fun or a pretty thing to watch, but i think the public learned a lot. >> you think the plume is coming off the rose for trump? >> i think we're nightly getting an inside into both those issues. >> i guarantee you people did not lose a supporter. the critical part is addition. he didn't add anybody. i think the reality is that the democrats are very vulnerable. of they live high-minded compared to this debate and i reality is we have many substantive people, the two governors, two senators, carson
needs to get off the stage, he knows nothing about politics, no respect to him as a man, and trump is a big personality. you put it on monday night wrestling, you get the same show and the same ratings. we'll have more with our panel about the replacement of justice scalia. we're looking ahead this morning on "sunday morning futures." we'll be right back. every day you read headlines about businesses
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he was one of the first ones on the appeals court in 1982. he was the model i used to judge everybody else after that. he was impeccable. he was knowledgeable. he was a brilliant writer. he got along well with other people. and i just think he's very hard >> i agree with you. i mean, i interviewed him a couple times, actually. i always felt he came across not just so smart and with such integrity, but also down to earth. >> he is a wonderful human being. >> he was a proud italian-american, i'll tell that you. >> a devout family man and catholic and a real role model for young lawyers. to have his integrity is very important. >> what happens now? >> i mean this is -- president obama did not wait a nano second after talking about what a woerndf wonderful man he was. he's going to nominate someone. this is the moment in which suddenly president obama sees an opportunity to really establish the legacy, to change the balance on the supreme court and my sense is he's going to go for it. he's going to try and nominate
someone who can get through the senate process which will be enormously difficult. but as long as president obama is in legacy mode, this is his moment. >> will he be able to do it, push his person through, mary? >> i think the fact that we're even talking about this shows how politicized the court has become, especially under the roberts court. one great virtue of justice scalia wasn't that he was a conservative and believed in conservative ideas, he's trying to return the court to the actual mission under the constitution which is the key to the constitution and to interpret the text of the law. in fact, liberals should have loved him because liberals wouldn't want a conservative supreme court reinterpreting and making law. this was scalia's great contribution. when you heard president obama come out last night, less than 24 hours after this great figure passed away and talk about politics, to me, it shows just how much the court has been degraded and how necessary and important it is to return the
court to its original purpose under the next administration. >> i agree with all. that there is only one person in america he can get through and that is vice president biden. senators couldn't vote against biden because they have relationships. he can sit as vice president. i'm not trying to argue that is what he's going to do. nobody else will get through. >> or a liberal republican. >> no liberal republican is going to get through, i promise you. >> a liberal republican will not get through? >> why do we want a liberal republican? why do they want a liberal republican? we had those by our own appointments. >> so you think he'll try to push through bide snen. >> i think he is the only one he can get through. the senate couldn't vote against biden. there are too many friendships there. >> i think we have to wait and see. i don't think this is going to be just a symbolic appointment. i think that president obama, of all people, whose own policies, so many of them are now before the court, understands how important it is to change the judicial balance and he's not going to -- he's not going to
say no to an opportunity. >> i thought president obama himself wanted to be a supreme court judge. that's what hillary and he agreed upon. >> i've heard that, too. if he were politically savvy, he would put up someone that republicans would have a hard time delaying. >> so he could get the job. >> unfortunately, this is a hyper politicized white house and, you know, i don't expect him to find a compromised candidate. >> short break then the one thing to watch in the week ahead. at ally bank, no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like vacations equal getting carried away. more proactive selling. what do you think michal? i agree. let's get out there. let's meet these people. i thione second it's there.day. then, woosh, it's gone. i swear i saw it swallow seven people. seven. i just wish one of those people could have been mrs. johnson.
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i'll be covering that on the morning show tomorrow on the fox business network. thank you for joining us, everybody. that does it for "sunday morning futures." have a good evening, everybody. i'm lou dobbs. the republican establishment tonight is in complete chaos over the prospect of donald trump as their presidential nominee. trump dominated new hampshire and polls suggest he will do exactly the same in south carolina. the first in the south primary taking place nine days from tonight. but so far neither john kasich, marco rubio or jeb bush have succeeded in winning the establishment's confidence as the best hope against trump. trump himself is making sure jeb bush's campaign continues to struggle. >> the last thing we need is another bush. that i can tell