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all right. the powerball jackpot is now up to more than $1.4 billion. and you get to keep 400 million of it if you win. what are you going to spend it on? see you tomorrow. it is a fox news alert. we're just 21 days until the all-important iowa caucuses and the lineup for the next republican debate taking place this thursday on the fox business network is now all set. mike emmanuel is in washington tonight. he has all the details. >> tonight fox business network announced the lineup for this week's prime time debate in north charleston, south carolina. on that stage will be businessman donald trump, texas senator ted cruz, florida senator marco rubio, dr. ben carson, new jersey governor chris christie, former florida governor jeb bush and ohio governor john kasich. despite lobbying to be included in the prime time event and saying he's running a top tier
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campaign, kentucky senator rand paul did not qualify. those invited to the undercard forum on thursday are senator rand paul, former arkansas governor mike huckabee, former ceo carly fiorina and former pennsylvania senator rick santorum. fox business set criteria to feature candidates in prime time placing in the top six nationally or in the top five in iowa or new hampshire according to polls meeting fox's standards. the countdown to iowa continues. a new fox news poll out of the hawkeye state shows that senator ted cruz is in first place, donald trump second, senator marco rubio who has been rising in the polls now comes in third place. 2016 republican presidential candidate marco rubio joins us with more. senator, good to see you. >> good to see you, sean. happy new year. >> let's talk about the state of the race. we've got two polls, the most recent polls have you third in iowa but second in new hampshire and then we've got two polls
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head-to-head against hillary clinton. this one has you up, believe it or not, the fox news poll, 50-41% in a head-to-head matchup with hillary. tell us from your side the state of the race. >> well, i know hillary doesn't want to run against me but i can't wait to run against her. she's everything that we don't need in america. we can't afford another four years like the last seven. just today another article comes out about how allies of hers and staffers of hers were conspiring to try to start up palestinian protests. this was reported just today. found in e-mails this plan to try to stir up protests among palestinians to force israel back to the negotiating table. not to mention she lied to the family of the victims of benghazi about what caused that attack. not to mention the way she's handled classified and sensitive information on her e-mails. she's completely disqualify from being commander in chief. i really hope i'm our nominee because i can't wait to run against her. >> what do you make of the instructions that she gave to one of her staffers to
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literally -- it was a back and forth -- where she said turn it into nonpaper with no identifying heading and send it nonsecure. now, she said she never sent or received classified e-mail. that became sent or received marked classified e-mails. now she's telling somebody to identify it as not marked when in fact it was. do you think laws were broken? >> well, that's what the fbi should be looking at. i'm going to let them make judgment on that and the justice department. i don't have any confidence this president's justice department will do anything about it. when i'm president of the united states near she nor these other people will be above the law whether it's her or eric holder for what he did on fast and furious or these other folks. people are going to be held accountable if they broke the laws of this country. this president is willing to protect his political cronies, but we'll hold people accountable. nobody is above the law even hillary clinton even though she thinks she is. she did all this because she wanted it for convenience. so she didn't care if she
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exposed classified and sensitive information to espionage from the chinese and the russians, but there will be a full accounting of all this when i'm president and we have a real justice department with a real attorney general. >> you're saying if the fbi would either recommend an indictment or if they sent information that indicates she did in fact break the law and loretta lynch does not go forward with an indictment, that if you become president, you would follow up on any potential law breaking? >> yeah, what i can tell you -- i can't order the justice department to do anything. unlike this president, i'm not going to interfere in these agencies doing their job. i will say i'm confident, in fact, i know for sure that i will have appointed, when i'm president, an attorney general who will follow the law and apply it. not one that conspires with me to undermine the second amendment and not one that looks the other way when cronies of the current president are committing lawlessness as has been i believe, the case with regards to hillary clinton's e-mails. >> rudy giuliani, former prosecutor himself, he's identified 16 specific laws that he believes should be
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investigated that possibly could have been violated. are you convinced that hillary clinton broke the law? >> well, let's continue to gather the facts. again, i think that we're going to let the -- i don't want people to accuse this of being some sort of political thing. this is about what's right and what's wrong, what's legal and what's illegal. i do have confidence in the fbi. i do not believe the fbi is politicized. i think they'll conduct a full investigation and they're going to provide that information to the justice department. and what i'm saying to you today, if loss were broken, i'll have an attorney general when i am president that will hold people to account, whoever they are, for having violated our laws. >> because things are so tight particularly in new hampshire where you in consistently in second place, you've become a target but you're also fighting back. more specifically with governor chris christie, there's been a back and forth. you talked about him supporting planned parenthood and sonia sotomayor and gun control legislation which he ran on in 2009. how intense is this going to get before new hampshire? >> well, look, this is not
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personal. these are not personal attacks. he's been attacking me for over a month, but they're not personal attacks. i believe the republican nominee and the next president of the united states has to be someone who is going to undo the damage barack obama has done. our next president needs to be a strong defender of the second amendment, not someone who ran for office supporting gun control. that's what i'll do. i'll be a strong support of the second amendment. our next president cannot be someone who supports common core. chris supports common core. our next president cannot be someone who thinks that sonia sotomayor would be a good supreme court justice. he supported her nomination. ow next president must defund planned parenthood, not write checks to them like he did. these are all facts. it is important that our next president will be someone that undoes the damage that barack obama has done to our country. >> in the marist poll, it has you beating hillary clinton by five points. cruz beats her by four points
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inspect the fox news poll you're winning by nine and cruz is winning by seven. the bottom line is, you do better than any other candidate in terms of a head-to-head matchup against hillary, but you don't do as well in terms of the general election primary election numbers. why do you think there's that divide there? >> well, there's still a lot of choices in the field. like i said, there's a lot of people still running and they're going to be in the race for some time. of course, that segments the voters a little bit. what i'm confident of is now after the new year, voters are really starting to tune into the race now. they're learning more about the candidates beyond the superficial. i'm very confident about where we're going to be when the delegates are counted and we're down the stretch here. we feel very confident about our plan, about our campaign, about our message. here's the bottom line. when i'm president of the united states, all of these things barack obama has done to try to take from this country, everything that makes it special, all of those things are
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gone. we're going to get this country back on the right track, returning to the cogs, returning to the principles -- we're going to reembrace the principles that made america great, apply them to the challenges of this new economy and this new era. we're going to make this country special if not more so than it's ever. >> i don't think anybody imagined starting out how great immigration would be. but it seems to get bigger and bigger. we saw the new year's eve sex attacks that took place in europe. the president still insists we should take in syrian refugees. because it's changed, in other words, the debate has changed and shifted and we've had so many issues at our own border and so many issues abroad with syrian refugees, have you altered your position -- is this a back and forth between you and ted cruz on who was where in 2013, et cetera. i'm not interested in that debate. i'm interested in where you are now based on the fact that this has become front and center.
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>> number one, i do not support amnesty. and there will not be amnesty. criminal aliens will be immediately deported. sanctuaries will lose their federal funding. we'll enforce our immigration laws. mile of fencing and walls in key sectors, in border agents, mandatory e-verify. all those things will happen when i'm president. it's not the debate has changed, the issue has changed. have you a radical jihadist group that is using our emigration system against us. we have to treat this differently because the issue has changed. this is about isis trying to get people into this country as refugees, as doctors, as students, fiances, through the visa waiver program. when i'm president, unless we know who you are 100% for sure and we know why you're coming to america, we're not going to let you in. >> you once told me that the comprehensive bill that you supported was a mistake and you wouldn't do it again and it wasn't really what you wanted. basically with the president now
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having a syrian refugee at the state of the union, he's obviously sending a message. what message do you want to send back about where you are now on not only syrian refugees but all the people last summer that crossed the border? >> let's be clear. i've always been for an immigration system that keeps us safe. the problem is we didn't have isis two, three years ago. ats a sophisticated group that has a real good understanding of our immigration system. we know for a fact they're trying to use it to get people in this country. we have to change our approach because the issue has changed. we're compassionate. our hearts break at the story of what some of these refugees are going through, but our number one obligation is to keep america safe. when i'm president of the united states, if we do not know 100% sure who you are or 100% sure why you're trying to come, we're not going to let you into the country. it's that straight forward. that will be the rule when i'm president. >> take us beyond new hampshire and walk us through your
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strategy for south carolina, nevada, supertuesday? >> we feel great about south carolina. we were there a week ago on saturday. we had 1500 people turn out in hilton head. we were back this weekend. had events, 600, 700 people at each ofwdy has endorsed us. we feel great about nevada, mark hutchison is our chairman there. we've got a great team on the ground. we feel great about the states that come after that as well. right now the bulk of our focus is on iowa, new hampshire and south carolina, but we're ready for the other states. i feel great about our campaign. i think this is really where the campaign, the rubber meets the proverbial road. as people learn more about what i've done, who i am and what i will do when i'm president, our support's only going to grow. >> its looks like it's winnowed down to you, cruz and donald trump. it's getting interesting. thanks, as always. appreciate your time.
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>> thanks, sean. coming up next on "hannity." >> she's married to an abuser, a woman claimed rape and all sorts of things. i mean, horrible things. >> that can be their choice as to how to run in this campaign. didn't work before, won't work again. >> hillary clinton responds to donald trump brig up her husband's past. michelle malkin weighs in. >> ask yourself who is the one candidate who can stop them? hillary clinton. tested and tough. to stop them, stand with her. >> all right, hillary has a new ad out. she's targeting republicans. all of that plus geraldo rivera weighs in on sean penn's meetings with el chapo. why didn't he tell authorities considering he's one of the biggest drug pushers in the world? sday. one second it's there. then, woosh, it's gone. i swear i saw it swallow seven people. seven.
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live from america's news headquarters, i'm kelly wright. good evening, here's what's happening. isis claiming responsibility for a deadly shopping mall attack and the iraqi capital of baghdad. at least 18 people were killed when the terrorists set off a car bomb and stormed the mall. iraqi troops killed two of the attackers and arrested four others. legal experts now say it could take more than a year to extradite recaptured mexican drug lord joaquin el chapo guzman. he was captured friday after a bloody shoot-out. he faces drug trafficking and organized crime charges. he's being held at the same prison he escaped from in july. iconic singer david bowie remembered at the hollywood walk of fame. fans flocking to his star, covering it with candles, flowers and glitter. he was inducted to the hollywood walk of fame. bowie died sunday following a
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battle against cancer. now back to "hannity." she was saying he has tendencies toward being sexist. >> talking about you, who? >> talking about me. i said, wait a minute. she's married to an abuser, a woman claimed rape and all sorts of things. i mean, horrible things. >> that was republican front-runner donald trump continuing to level attacks against both bill and hillary clinton. yesterday hillary clinton tried to downplay some of these attacks. watch this. >> well, it's been fair game going back to the republicans for some years. they can do it again if they want to. that can be their choice as to how to run in this campaign. didn't work before. it won't work again. i can't run anybody else's campaign. they can say whatever they want. more power to them. i think it's a dead end blind alley for them, but let them go. >> joining us now author of the best-seller "sold out" how
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beltway crap weasels are screwing america's best and brightest workers. i notice that bernie sanders said this had to do with monica lewinsky. it's disgraceful. hillary tries to go back to say this is about monica lewinsky. trump isn't talking about lewinsky or jennifer flowers. are they talking about impeachment all over? >> of course, the see no evil, hear no evil and speak no clinton serial sexual abuse eve. this time it's not good to work, sean. i think largely because of the new landscape that all these politicians have to operate in. it is not the 1990s anymore, hillary and bill, where they were able to control the narrative, where they were able to whitewash all of these sins. and i think there's a couple of things going on here. one is that decent americans of all political parties and per
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situations are sick and tired of the democratic double standard when it comes to sexual abuse of women. there's another thing that's going on here among the right, among grassroots voters are who stick and tired of feckless gop candidates and politicians who are so much more comfortable trashing conservatives than they are in attacking the stained clinton legacy. and so when you have trump sticking out his neck here raising something that is completely fair game and you have these established candidates like chris christie and john kasich and jeb bush all getting their panties in a bunch, in a knot because he's saying the obvious, it really shows you why we're in the predicament we're in in the gop primary. >> doesn't it show once again that trump will go there and other republicans are too timid? because i don't think democrats -- i mean, they can't even -- when they don't have an issue, they just make it up.
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the republicans are racist, war on women, mitt romney, binders of women because he wants to hire them. in that sense it should be fair game, but some people seem to be shocked that anyone dares go there. >> yeah, well, there's another thing going on here, too. you know, sean, that i tell it like it is and i weigh all of the benefits and liabilities in each and every one of these candidates. the fact is that there's a lot of people out there who are glad that donald trump is talking about this, but honestly, they know that he himself is a flawed vehicle. this is a guy who just a couple of years ago was praising hillary clinton's capabilities and who, despite now his condemnations of bill clinton as essentially the scumbag that he is, welcomes these people in his social circles. now, i understand, you know, you got a lot of trump defenders out there who will say well it was just a part of business. but the fact is that most of these gop candidates and politicians have their own
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dalliances with hillary and bill clinton. >> what is the bigger issue, though, for hillary? this fbi investigation we'll get into more details later, but she clearly is telling somebody to bypass the laws and remove the classification. she said she never received or sent e-mails that are classified, but we have 1,300 and -- i have the number -- 40 e-mails that are classified that are now found on her server which she said didn't exist in the beginning. that appears to be a violation of law. catherine herridge says they're taking this investigation into potential corruption as it relates to the foundation. >> yeah, that's right. and it's all of a piece. whether we're talking about bill clinton's abuse of power and abuse of office from the time that he was in arkansas -- and i'm so glad, by the way, that we have juanita broderick on social media. she's joined twitter. she cannot be censored anymore.
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she cannot be leashed by all of these attack dogs of the bill clinton era talking about how she was raped when she was 35 years old. she's now 73. she tweeted it never goes away. that's the problem with the clinton's stained legacy, whether talking about public corruption or personal corruption, it never goes away with these people. and the fact is, sean, that we know now that it's not just grassroots conservatives, me and you and all the people who have been very consistent in attacking the clintons from the 1990s when they first sullied the public square, but it's all sorts of decent americans around this country. she's in deep, deep do do and the clinton people know it. >> i think you're right. we'll have more on cath riderin herridge's reporting. could this derail her campaign? but also send her behind bars?
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state department business may have violated public corruption laws. here with reaction with the american center for law and justice jay sekulow. mow the nixon presidency fundamentally changed american politics. doug schoen and monica crowley. let's start with a legal perspective. rudy giuliani, former prosecutor before he became mayor, has identified anywhere between 15 and 17 statutes that ought to be investigated here. now, according to this report, they've got over 100 full-time agents and 50 part-time agents looking into this. >> yes. >> and it's been going on for months. joe digenova, well respected, lawyer in his own right, he thinks that an indictment would have happened in 60 days. thoughts? >> i think, look, the fbi, it's pretty clear, with 100 agents involved, is doing a thorough top to bottom review of the situation. at the end of the day, i think
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what catherine has been reporting about the possibility of public krugs a quid pro quo that what happened at the clinton foundation with either donations or offers for speeches and so forth and then state department action for those same governments could create certainly another area of concern that would be criminal. if you look at it in total right now, the fbi is looking at the complete package. they look at the evidence and they say, does that evidence lead to vitals of certain statutory codes under title 18 which is the criminal code? i think rudy is right. there's probably 16 to 18, probably more now when you look at the intersection of the foundation in all of this. i think this is serious. there's no doubt about that. at the end of this day this will become a political situation. the fbi could present the case, but ultimately -- >> it could present the case two ways, though. the fbi director could present it with a recommendation of indictment or just send it without comment. now, if he sends it with the
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recommendation, look, to quote the inside sources, pressure's growing within the fbi, doug. >> mm-hmm. >> and one source saying the fbi agents would be screaming if prosecution is not pursued, especially in light of how general petraeus was treated with a far worse offense. >> and i don't see hillary being indicted. so far no show of criminal intent. i don't -- >> 1,340. >> -- are going to recommend an indictment of hillary clinton. do you, sean? this is politics. >> if that is the case, monica crowley, the fbi will be so outraged that all of this is going to be leaked, all of the past cases will be reviewed and we'll know in america that there's a two-tier justice system. >> you'll have a major resoelt on your hands in the fbi which is something that i don't think this president wants. i was the first person back in august in my column in the washington times to lay out a whole scenario of a history of
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bad blood between the baems and the clns about how barack obama was essentially using the fbi investigation as a legal and political vise to squeeze mrs. clinton. now we hear it has another dimension to it, which is they're looking into the possibility of public corruption. what i'm hearing from my source who has not steered me wrong, yet, is that of the two highly problematic documents that we know about so far, that have been released that the fbi is looking at that reached the highest classified designation top secret, one of which involves data looking at the north korean nuclear program, that that document in particular is called into question in terms of why it was removed from this to her possession in order to serve the clinton foundation and the clinton business interests. if that turns out to be true -- >> this is now the expanded investigation. >> yes. >> to quote digenova, jay, if the fbi decided it had more than enough evidence to indict and
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loretta lynch failed to do so especially with the fbi's background work and investigation here, it would create a crisis within our government unseen since watergate. agree? >> well, and much worse. because if you've got the entire fbi -- look, you're talking about top secret documents being removed. you're talking about potential public corruption. i mean, if you look at watergate -- i'm not defending watergate, but it was a bad -- a third-rate break-in and it had its own elements of where the nixon administration was going to try to use the irs, they did not. here we know the whole history with the irs and the targeting. but if you look at the facts of this and this is where the focus has to be, if the fbi is investigating and they look at the facts and they put it together, are those facts evidence for a violation of criminal law? and of course we don't have that evidence, the evidence is held by the fbi. but what we're hearing, it's hard to believe it would not be. doug raises an important point.
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will the president of the united states allow his former secretary of state to be indicted? >> i think he's answered that question. >> that should not be the question. >> to be honest, it really shouldn't be his decision. it should be loretta lynch's. do we have a poll that says that 46% of likely voters think a candidate should stop campaigning if charged with a felony. donald trump is begging the fbi to indict. he wants to run against bernie sanders. >> i would love, fbi, please, go after hillary. i want to run against bernie! oh, that's a dream come true. this guy. >> it's not going to happen. and i underscore if something happens to hillary, you'll see joe biden in the race in a second. look, they'll fix the dnc rules. they will. >> these are not dnc rules. they're state rules. >> they don't care about that. >> they don't care about the
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laws? >> just like they try to hurt donald at the convention. >> i don't know. that's a stretch. >> i don't think so, sean. >> for a very long time there's only one person driving this bus on the democratic side and that's the president of the united states and what he wants. >> correct. >> deep down does he want her -- >> no. >> he does not? >> and once it goes out of the legal process and comey and the fbi, it becomes a political matter. it goes to loretta lynch. >> if she doesn't indict. >> barack obama and valerie jarrett who do not want mrs. clinton to be the nominee -- >> they want bernie. >> -- they'll make sure she's indicted. >> joe biden. >> or somebody else. >> but the statutory deadlines to get on the ballot -- >> it doesn't it doesn't matter because neither party will have a candidate until the convention. >> they will amend their rules. >> they'll amend their rules. >> don't state legislators have a say in this, too? >> they're not going to want a
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situation -- first of all, we're assuming this is going to happen. look, if in fact the former secretary of state hillary clinton ends up getting indicted, i think the dnc will be in a panic mode. they're probably already thinking through this, though, doug, i can't imagine they're not. that what scenario will be and they'll amend the rules. whether they can or can't, the idea that it's still a private organization and not the government. >> exactly. >> ultimately hillary will not be indicted. the president has said it's not a national security problem. look, with the irs, wasn't that out ageous they got away with it. >> the clintons have gotten away with a lot. >> joe biden just said he regrets it every day. >> every day. >> every day. >> thank you all. coming up next on this busy news night on "hannity." >> they're backward, even
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dangerous. who is the one candidate who can stop them? >> hillary slamming a 2016 gop rivals in a new attack ad. tucker carlson, rich lowry will have reaction. later hollywood liberal sean penn under heavy criticism for secretly meeting with el chapo, really, maybe he could have given authorities his location. geraldo is here to weigh in and more.
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hillary clinton. tested and tough. to stop them, stand with her. >> is there a problem with those comments? joining us with reaction, tucker carlson and with the national review rich lowry. i don't have any problem with those comments. >> that's the highlight video of the republican primary so far. this is her making the electability argument against bernie sanders. one, you look at the general election matchup in the polls, bernie is running much better against his republican candidates than hillary is. she might lose to him both in iowa and new hampshire. >> you look at these polls, tucker, i mean, 48-45 hillary over bernie over hillary in iowa. but he's narrowed the gap in the last couple of weeks. i don't think these news stories about her e-mails and fbi investigation is helping and certainly bill is not helping. >> no, he's not. that ad is unbelievable. the message is really these guys are too mean to isis.
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they're not giving isis a break. and i'm the guy that gets them to moderate their anti--isis rhetoric. >> might be why i want to vote for them. >> but it's a reaction to bernie sanders. she's spooked by bernie sanders. which is ludicrous. he's a boutique candidate, the college kids like him. the little rich pot-smoking college kids like him. there's just no way he has a chance against hillary clinton. she controls the democratic party. she's so spooked by her loss in 2008. >> that's a good analysis. >> it's true, i think. >> she doesn't have the skills of her husband, she doesn't have the skills of obama on the stump. she is, at best, i'm being charitable here, a mediocre politician. there's no warmth, no agenda, no defining issue. all i get is we have a feeling that somebody that lies a lot and is corrupt. >> she has a lot of determination and will to win but doesn't have the natural touch of bill or barack.
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look, i agree with tucker, she's going to beat bernie sanders, but it might be a long, hard slog. she might have to grind it out if she loses iowa or new hampshire to this guy who is a cleatly unelectable socialist. >> have you softened on trump and cruz? they're the two front-runners. >> i'm an admirer of ted cruz. >> you wrote a good column about him. >> he's run in this year when we say all the rules are different, he's run an utterly unconventional campaign in iowa. he's gone there done the work on the ground, he's motivated evangelicals and base voters. if i had to predict he'd win iowa by eight or ten points. >> it flips back. trump might have more support in iowa than is being polled. >> i might be completely wrong about everything as i've often been wrong about everything in this race.
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but cruz will outperform his polls because turnout is so strong and these people are such core republican voters. >> if i was trump i would downplay expectations about iowa, which i don't know if he's capable of doing. what do you think, tucker? >> the best ground game in iowa in 2004 was howard dean and he came in third. you just don't know. i will say this. if trump wins iowa and new hampshire he'll be the first republican ever to run the table in first two primaries. the meltdown in washington is going to be unbelievable. >> that's why i find trump really fid foo really fighting to win iowa. it could be the difference of him going 0-2 if he loses bad or going 2 for 2 or 3 for 3. >> if he goes 3 for 3, is there any stopping him? >> it will take an enormous effort. this birther thing doesn't work, if i'm trump i'm going after cruz by saying ted cruz is afraid of me, he's a political insider compared to me and ted
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cruz is trying to sound like me when he's not. >> the best strategy fighting back. i think jeb jen binly got mad. rubio genuinely was annoyed. dr. carson, i'm not sure how he really responded. >> it's hard to know. >> to me it's like fighting. you're either in or you're out. i'm going to fight somebody, i'm all in or i'm just out. >> cruz is a brilliant debater. he won't let trump get a rise out of him at all. he sees what happens to the guys who got in a fight with trump. they were diminished and trump was strengthened. any candidates that underpolls, it's trump. how many people who like trump but are too embarrassed to say so at dinner parties. >> he said he went out there and was looking for people to fund anti-trump campaigns or anti-cruz campaigns.
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he says the moment has passed. it's too late. how is the establishment going to deal with a trump or cruz candidacy? >> the establishment has been nowhere to be seen in this race. and it's sort of an irony because both trump and cruz are constantly the establishment and it's done nothing to hurt them, even if it could. part is donors are scared of donald trump. they're scared of being insulted by him. they're worry if they hurt trump they'll just help cruz. >> isn't that bizarre? >> it's really bizarre. >> if trump or cruz win, tucker, how are they going to react? take up their toys and go home like little babies even though -- >> maybe they'll do the adult thing which is learn something. they'll never like trump or cruz, trump especially because he does threaten their power. thot because he was on a reality show and he's funny. he cares about issues that actual voters care about. their dream is to win elections without voters.
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>> it's ironic to lump trump and cruz together. cruz is an conservative. >> but cruz is smart. >> he's changed. >> number one debater in the country makes you pretty smart at harvard. sean penn getting a lot of criticism meeting with drug kingpin el chapo. plus mexican authorities have started a process to extradite tin famous drug lord to america. geraldo is here with reaction tonight. your path to retirement may not always be clear. but at t. rowe price, we can help guide your retirement savings. so wherever your retirement journey takes you, we can help you reach your goals. call us or your advisor t. rowe price. invest with confidence. you know the symptoms when they start.
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. welcome back to "hannity". after months on the run, joaquin el chapo guzman was recaptured last week in a deadly shootout with mexican marines and sean penn details he secretly met with el chapo in october and we know it may have helped officials track down the drug lord. that is not all. penn obtained an on camera interview with el chapo. watch this.
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>> pretty unbelievable. joining us with reaction is geraldo riviera. let's go to the shootout. you saw this sophisticated tunnel. you can see the violence, remember, you have a really substantial unit of the elite mexican marines in a gun fight. they bust into el chapo's hide sout, with his -- >> he escaped. >> but the fact is why did he escape? because his body guards dug in and fought until they were killed. five were killed. it shows you the loyalty, it shows you the fact they were willing to die to let el chapo escape. we ran through a tunnel, ran another mile. got out of the tunnel.
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it rained and the tunnel was flooded. he had to get out of a man hole and my point is, it is that loyalty and money and fear makes it impossible for him to be held in a mexican prison. >> can they have helped authorities locate him? but that wasn't his intention. this guy is responsible for bringing more drugs into the u.s., killing more kids. you see the addiction rate after these kids get addicted. it's massive. they're targeting these cartels. our young kids. >> i think that you put too much of a moral burden on sean penn. i mean it's not sean penn's job to determine when he's doing -- he was working as a journalist. let him be a reporter in the
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same way i was a reporter when i interviewed charles manson. >> i bet you, geraldo, knowing the drug problem in the u.s., would you tip off authorities. >> i would not. i would not. >> you would not? >> you would be asking me to be a traitor to my profession. so look at john mill. the commissioner of the police now in charge of intelligence. great reporter, interviewed osama bin laden in 1999, the year after bin laden blew up the african embassy. he didn't tell the cia what the location of the world's most-dangerous man was. that is not our job. >> but you -- look. >> you can -- >> that is not about that. >> he's not a journalist. he's an actor. he sucks up to every two-bit dictator, it seems in the world. >> he likes hugo chavez.
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>> he went to see saddam hussien and what about dan rather interviewed saddam hussien. it didn't make him a traitor. >> if it was me and i knew his location i would give it. >> i bet you won't. >> i am an advocacy journalist not an objective journalist. >> you're being too hard on your self. >> i'm probably writing a dental sentence for myself. >> interesting you mention that. if these stories are true, that in some way sean penn either intentionally, which is doubtful or unintentionally leads -- helped lead the authorities to el chapo -- >> yes. coming up, our question of the day, straight ahead. i've been on my feel all day. i'm bushed! yea me too. excuse me...coming through!
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left this evening. thank you for being with us. an. good night from washington. >>vg @&c @&c@ the o'reilly factor is on. tonight: >> sean penn is not someone i spent a lot of time thinking about. i find it go text. >> sean penn and rolling stone magazine under heavy pressure for glorifying one of the most evil men on the planet. joaquin el chapo guzman. we have a special report. >> the hijackers who flew those planes into the twin towers were in america on visas. they were not refugees. they were not undocumented immigrants. >> the left taking a big hit because of the refugee assaults in germany. but wait until you hear the new democratic strategy on illegal immigration. we'll have a factor investigation. >> how much does a cigarette


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