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update on that. again, thanks for watching us tonight. miss megyn is next. i'm bill o'reilly. please remember the spin stops here because we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight. an all-out war between the republican frontrunners. just 48 hours after iowa and days before the new hampshire primary, donald trump accuses ted cruz of stealing votes and the responds is epic. welcome to the kelly file, everyone. i'm megyn kelly it all started monday night. moments after ted cruz won the first in the nation iowa caucuses. donald trump graciously accepted his second place finish. but now, oh what a difference a day or two makes as he suggests that ted cruz cheated and even stole support from fourth place finisher ben carson. here is just a sampling of what's transpired over the last 24 hours. >> we finished second and i just want to tell you something i'm honored, i'm
really honored. i want to congratulate ted. >> what kind of people do we have running for office? it's -- honestly, really, really dishonest. i think i know why. do you know why? because he was born in canada. >> iowa, we love you. we thankq you. you're special. we will be back, many, many times. in fact, i think i might come here and buy a farm. i love it. >> i think what he did is disgusting. he said that ben carson, who is a a fantastic guy had dropped out of the race during the caucus. i think it was a disgrace that he did it. and i don't think it should be even allowed. i think those votes should be taken away and there were plenty of them. >> and it did not end there. trump also unleashed a flurry of anti-cruz tweets such as the state of iowa should disqualify ted cruz from the most recent election on the basis that he cheated, a total fraud. the response from the cruz campaign, quote: reality just hit the reality star. he lost iowa and now nobody is talking about him so he
is popping off on twitter. there are support groups for twitter addiction. perhaps he should find his local chapter. the judge liked that one. then there is this from senator cruz himself. >> it is no surprise that donald is throwing yet another temper tantrum or if you like yet another trumper tantrum. his reaction to everything is to throw a fit. tone gauge in insults. at the end of the day the iowa people spoke. donald trump guaranteed a victory in iowa and then he lost. and he doesn't like that and his reaction is that he breaks down. >> chris stirewalt is our fox news digital politics editor. chris stevens is a former mitt romney. who has worked on every new hampshire primary since 1996. he is the author of the last season. good to see you both. so now stirewalt, he is coming out, trump is saying i actually won iowa. actually, i won. >> right. >> because he wants to discount all of the extra cruz votes because he wants
to attribute them to cruz telling carson supporters in the caucuses that carson might be dropping out or cruz didn't but surrogate did. >> typical lying canadians. you know that the canadians cannot be trusted. they are bacon is round. it's not long with streaks of fat. it's round. that's not bacon. >> the prosecution rests. >> the prosecution rests. donald trump is making me crazy. because he was doing everything right. he had learned a lesson. he had figured this out. his performance in iowa was fine because is he going to go on to new hampshire and have an easy win. he has got an easy win laid out for him in new hampshire. he was doing the right thing and he was gracious. he even said that he had made a mistake or not participating in only iowa debate that may have cost him votes and he was experiencing some sort of humility and talking about this. and then something like inside him broke. and all of this stuff comes gushing out on and on and all the sour grapes. and you think you had it,
man. you had it. you were walking into a victory in new hampshire with the respectableññ showing in iowa. not great all of a sudden he throws it all away. i do not understand it. >> on trump's argument, does have a point that the cruz people shouldn't have been telling people ben carson was suspending his campaign just because ben carson said he was going to florida. which he was he later qualified to get his clothes. honestly we were on the set saying carson is going down to florida to get his clothes instead of new hampshire. logical person can not in new hampshire, he is not going for it there. >> you know, it's an absurd charge. i'm not a cruz guy. far be it for me to defend the cruz campaign. this really rests with dr. carson. if you're a serious candidate. you leave new hampshire that night. you leave iowa that night. you have a rally in new hampshire 4:00 in the morning. you get up and you campaign. the fact that you are going to florida instead of going
to new hampshire the next day is an indication that you are not a serious candidate for president. i'm sorry. that's how it is. so they are being accused of actually cooking something that donald trump isn't doing, which is running a good campaign. i think the cruz people should plead guilty to that and get -- they seem to be enjoying it as they should. >> what about the mailers, cruz's camp sent them out. they look like official notices to voters saying voting violation. not a lot of people have voted in your neighborhood. you better go vote. the envelope identified it as being from the campaign. some saying this may have crossed the line. >> politics is gross. it is the most heinous of all of the things that we do to each other. politics is disgusting. donald trump has been a -- not just a participant. he has been the ultimate practitioner of the devastating insult and also
the i heard or people tell me that he is a canadian sleeper cell. i heard people tell me a guy says that he is not eligible and he will be ruined. he does all of this stuff all of the time. so it is rather unusual that he would take such offense at this. but, again, he didn't need to do any of this. he was getting where he wanted to go. and he had a victory lined up for him. he was like a guy who had a one foot putt left on the green he is out on the fairway throwing his golf clubs and choking his caddy. just walk up on the green and tap it in, man. >> stuart, how does this play in new hampshire? >> >> i think it plays terribly in new hampshire. donald trump has tried to rewrite the rules of this contest. he could have won in iowa if he had spent time. if he sat counsel in living rooms. if he had invested in a real campaign. he didn't. he did what he enjoyed which is going around, having these big rallies and ranting for an hour and then leaving. >> how do you predict it
will turn out. >> doesn't have a lot to do with getting elected president. and in new hampshire, he should have gone around, visited people. there is a compact that has existed between iowa voters and candidates. that they will invest a lot of time. they will be able to talk to them. and he hasn't been able to to do that. so he is -- i think he is head to do defeat in new hampshire in all likelihood. >> bold prediction, chris stirewalt, you two. >> with trump allege ing fraud we want to do know did ted cruz do anything wrong. judge andrew napolitano is our senior judicial analyst. there was a report sent out. >> right. >> did either cross the legal line? >> from the available evidence it appears they did not. we start with a couple basics. this was not an election. this was not runáwhy -- by the government. this was a contest between the private group called the republican party of iowa. they set the laws. they set the rules. the state of iowa does not.
so, the general laws that would apply to an election do not apply here. second basic principle is as chris just said politics is not bag. you can say rough and tough things. you can exaggerate. can you extrapolate. it is perfectly reasonable for congressman king to have said this guy is going to florida? he is out of here. you reacted, bret baier reacted. those of us that heard this watched you and bret baier react the same way. it's a rational inference he courts not going to get into the business of second guessing words that people use during campaigns. now, the flier. it would be impossible to prove that that flier, a, coerced people to vote who weren't going to vote and coerce them to vote for a particular candidate. >> the allegation is basically that they scare people into caucusing. but we don't know whether, a, it it worked and, b, who they voted for once they caucused. >> it is unknowable and unprovable. and therefore, any
allegation that someone is going to sue is made for political reasons. it can't be made for legal reasons. no lawyer would take the case. >> so when trump says he won. do we have the sound bite? listen. >> a lot of people didn't think i should go to iowa. actually i came in probably first, if you think about it. >> it's a total voter fraud if you think of it. he picked up a lot of thosethato wronk. >> when he said he came in first trying to discount all the votes between himself and ted cruz. >> there is no lyle basis for that is he is making a political statement as our colleague strirlt. >> any basis to have another iowa caucus. any grounds to go back to!s iowa? >> absolutely none. no court would take a complaint. no court would interfere with how people voted and no court would inquire of a voter as to why they voted. end of the story. >> judge napolitano, great to see you. >> good to see you. >> well, stirewalt has a point about the bacon. mr. trump's surrogates are
joining in. [ laughter ] >> he it's round, he is right. with sarah palin firing off a scathing attack on ted cruz today. glenn beck picked ted cruz as the first presidential candidate he ever endorsed and beck is here on palin next. all the candidates bailing out and who is going to get the biggest boost from that. president obama makes first 50 to u.s. mosque. and ties to terror. was this the best mosque to pick? he we will investigate straight ahead. >> suggestion is somehow that if i would simply say these are all islamic terrorists, then we would actually have solved the problem by now apparently. whoa! that's not another blade. this is shielding. with lubrication here and here.
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drops out of the presidential race immediately before the iowa caucus. the cruz campaign's actions to destroy a good man's efforts to serve are no different than obama's practice of not holding anyone accountable. joining us now founder of the blaze glenn beck. glen, good to see you. >> how are you? >> sarah palin outright accusing the cruz campaign of lying. their explanation is we thought he was dropping out based on a cnn report. we didn't see the follow-up report saying he wasn't dropping out. we're sorry. >> let me just get this straight. first of all, i don't want to say anything bad about sarah palin. i don't know what she is thinking. i don't know where she is coming from. she is now calling steve king, one of the most honest, forth right people absolutely incredible what people will stoop to. let's just look at this. you can see the time line. cnn went on the air and said that he was going to lead --
carson was going to lead the campaign trail to get a change of clothes. does that sound reasonable to you, megyn? and i were sitting on the set we all thought the same thing. >> that doesn't make any sense. they had clothing stores in new hampshire. but, this comes a day -- i just want to make sure i get this right wmur on sunday announced that sam pem, the guy who raised about $4 million for carson was now switching over to cruz. then on monday, before the i have got to go home and get a change of clothes for a few days happened, every single person in the new hampshire super pac for carson quit and switched over to cruz. all of those, plus the change of clothes would lead any reasonable person to think that he is switching. a voting -- voting in iowa is different than voting anywhere else in a primary. this is a caucus. your job is to go and try to sway other people. so if i have information
that the super pac guy just switched to cruz. all of the people in new hampshire just quit, and moved over to cruz. and he is going for a change of clothes, when he has only got about 8 days before the new hampshire primary, it doesn't make any sense. and any response cybil candidate would say, i don't know. cnn is now tweeting and saying that it looks like he may be getting out of the race. go there and make sure that those carson people who are the most closely align to do ted cruz know this and see if they want to switch. it's totally reasonable. >> she also goes on as i just read in this same post to say that cruz's campaign's actions to destroy a good man's effort to serve. she is talking about ben carson. >> i didn't believe. -- i can't believe. this donald trump was the one with the belt buckle saying how stupid are the people of iowa when ben carson wasjm surging and calling ben carson's story, you know, saying it was all a lie.
>> you know what's amazing is last week donald trump was saying that ben carson couldn't be -- couldn't be president because he calls people liars all the time. he called harry reid and mitch mcconnell a liar. we know that to be true. but this week, after he says you can't elect anybody because they call liars, he is calling him a liar. >> yeah. trump said cruz couldn't be president. >> look, i don't know what's going on, but here's where i come from. for we are being turned on each other and there is no reason to be turned on each other. a circus performer is turning the conservatives against one another. you couldn't have planned this better if you were a dnc prarve. we have in bernie sanders an old man that is a socialist that just through the life expectancy, the normal life expectancy should be dead before his term ends.
>> oh, boy. >> he is he is a socialist. then, on the other side you have somebody who their own people say is, what was it 80% coming out of iowa. her own voters said 80 percent said she was untrustworthy. it's lining going hunting for a deer that's spray painted orange and has no legs. the conservatives should be able to win this with anyone. you know what? this camera could beat them. this oil can can beat those two. what are we doing? we are looking and nitpicking when we have the most conservative man since calvin coolidge. we have four supreme court justices that might die in the next four years or retire. >> you are way off. you are getting depressing everyone is dying. >> sanders and half the i have got to go because we are dying on time. we will do it over because we have more to discuss.
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candidates do. go to the voters and directly make their case. >> 62nd memorized speeches all of which we have heard over and over and over again for the last six years are getting a little stale and a little tired. and senator rubio needs to come up with new material and needs to start answering questions. it sounds like he is in the witness protection program. >> brit hume is our fox news senior political analyst. brit, good to see you. how does the race change today? santorum is out. rand paul is out. and now it's bush, kasich, and christie. fighting rubio for this so-called establishment lane. >> well, i think, megyn, that the number of supporters of santorum and huckabee got out were probably not enough to make a difference. not clear to me in what direction they will go. endorsements don't really matter very much anymore. and santorum doesn't hurt rubio by endorsing him but i don't think it'] makes much difference. i don't know that rand paul supporters like his father's supporters may notten
available to anyone else. that's the way it was with his father. they were a certain group and they liked him and i'm not sure how many of them were -- are available to rubio or anybody else. in the meantime, of course, rubio because of the strong finish in iowa, it looks like kind of the man to beat in what you called the establishment lane. they are attacking him because they are all looking for -- they are fighting over the same voters. and i suppose it's inevitable. he withstood, you know, megyn in iowa. he was under a big assault especially from jeb bush's super pac. and he seemed to weather that pretty well. whether he will be able to weather the three way incoming in new hampshire, obviously remains to be seen. >> what do you make of chris christie attack on him that the boy in the bubble as he called marco rubio needs to get out and started answering questions? >> well, look. christie and bush to some extent and john kasich have basically been running for president of new hampshire. and they made a big bet
there. rubio so far has run more of a national campaign, which means that he hasn't spent nearly as much time in new hampshire as those others have. and obviously new hampshire voters like that. they expect that. i have seen candidates overcome not coming there very much and win up there. but, it does make a difference. and i guess he can campaign feverishly there in the days ahead and maybe merge with another strong finish but those guys have been up there doing nothing else. it's ridiculous though for christie to say that he hasn't been -- that rubio hasn't been answering any questions. my lord, he has answered a lot of your questions. is he on the air all the time. he is taking questions from voters and does town halls. it's a silly thing to say. but at this stage of the game have you got to say something. >> you have been around politics for a long time. what do you make of cruz saying he is actually the winner in iowa and cruzs that committed fraud. >> i don't think i have been around long enough to have seen anything like this. i mean, i really vice
president. i mean, these two men are somewhat unusual candidates. trump, of course, is the most unusual candidate i think any of us has really quite ever seen. even more unusual than ross perot and he was unusual. cruz is, you know, an arch conservative and brilliant guy. he is not gid8ed with the -- what i would call the cuddly kind of manner that makes everybody kind of naturally gravitate toward him. to see these two guys who were at the head of the pac in this kind of fight over something that, you know, as judge napolitano point inned out earlier is legally pointless is amazing. and, of course, how you cannot be amazed at trump who looked really sort of at his best the other night when acknowledging his loss in iowa, then turns around two days later and starts claiming he was cheated. it looks like sore loser stuff and i'm not sure the voters in new hampshire will appreciate it. >> brit, pastel brit, you look great. i like this version. and i like the new background. it's pretty.
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>> from the world headquarters of fox news, it's the kelly file with megyn kelly. >> developing controversy tonight over a historic trip for president obama. the president today went to visit the islamic society of baltimore. his first trip to a u.s. mosque. while the white house says this visit was about fighting intolerance, this particular mosque was once home to an imam with known ties to multiple terror groups. >> the first thing i want to say is two words that muslim americans don't hear often enough and that is thankdm you. you have seen too often people conflating the horrific acts of terrorism with the beliefs of an entire faith. and, of course, recently we have heard inexcusable
political rhetoric against muslim americans. that has no place in our country.or no surprise then that threats and harassment of muslim americans have surged. the best way with for us to fight terrorism is to deny these organizations legitimacy and to show that here in the united states of america we do not suppress islam. >> brook gold sten is a human rights attorney. communications director for the director usa. the president and founder of the republican muslim coalition. they were both with president obama today. great to see you all. brook, first of all, set it up for us. why is this particular mosque controversial? >> it's controversial for many reasons because it has well documented ties to terrorism. i mean, just look at the imam at the mosque mohammed
adam al sheik who was the imam for 15 years total was a member of the muslim brotherhood in sudan in the 1970s. the muslim brotherhood being the mother of all terrorist organizations that birthed hamas and birthed al qaeda. he told his congregation in 2004 that suicide bombings were justifiable by fatwas. he worked for a group the islamic africa relief agency that designated by the treasury department as a terror organization. raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for the taliban for al qaeda. i mean, if the point of visiting this mosque was to show that mainstream muslims are not extremists, then i think obama's choice of the mosque really undermined that message. this is the type of mosque that president obama thinkst is mainstream islam. represents mainstream muslims. one that is tied to designated terrorists. >> does she have a point?
>> i'm no shot sure what happened muslims that believe in that shy a in the largest organized muslim organization in the country we believe response to this campaign at true islam.com where we have 11 points that the extremists use to do radicalized muslims. young muslims how they start to get you? >> absolutely. what we're asking americans to do and we sent a letter to 2100 imams across country and inviting them to endorse these. i invite this imam and all across the country. sheriff's department light to young muslims how it starts. they don't realize when people are starting to radicalized them. you were there, you said on this program we go to the mosque to pray, megyn. we go to the mosque to pray. do you think maybe there was more harm than good done here by the choice of this
particular mosque. given the former imam there? >> well, megyn, president obama came to this mosque to cultivate muslim american voters for the upcoming presidential election. he gaining further from the 90's. there may have been problems with the mosque. the point is this is election year. democrats are going out of their way. bernie sanders was recently at a mosque. democrats are all over the muslim community. even though islamic values party, we are pro-life, traditional marriage. we are pro-business. trade. things that we care about all align with the republican party. but, satisfiedly, all of the democrats are getting all the votes because they are reaching out, going out of the way to be nice to muslims. i think i want to see republican candidates start showing up in mosques. i i think that's the wave to get over the fears of muslim start spooking at. >> speaking at a terror
affiliated mosque is knot how you cultivate the american muslim community unless you think all muslim americans are sympathetic to terror. that is exactly the type of message that obama is sending when he speaks at a mosque that host speaker such as anwar al-awlaki. the american born al qaeda cleric. my own website linked to the page of the spiritual leader can a darry. used to link and then they took it down. he calls the killing of americans a religious duty. >> why need to open up all the mosques. come trans paper is i in mosques, 24/7. see what's going on inside mosques. alleviate the fears of americans, we care about national security just as much as everyone else and opening up our mosque will do so. >> given that. isn't there a better choice? one report out today that
this mosque was under surveillance. that has not confirmed by fox news. why not just pick one that there is no problem. so we don't have to have this discussion at the end of the day. obviously some mosques are use to do radicalized youth. as you poij"ñ out, some mosques are used just to pray. >> yes. we can fint. maybe a new hampshire mosque might be a good idea. [ laughter ] >> they are going to be overloaded with the republicans soon. >> we have 70 mosques around the country. i invite all elected officials to visit our mosques. >> we have 2200 plus mosques all over. >> we will go together. >> i would love to host i. i think we should go together. totally do that. >> thank you all for being here. good discussion. >> thank you for having me. >> guess who is back? glenn beck he has some thoughts. here they are. >> so, glen, what do you make of it, president obama goes to visit this mosque
today the american islamic society of baltimore. in particular to denounce the hydrocarbon rhetoric he has heard from republicans suggesting trump on the issue of muslims coming to america and in america. >> could i ask you, could he have found a mosque that wasn't under fbi surveillance? could he have found one that wasn't under fbi surveillance? a guy that didn't want to go to an army recruiting center and kill them all? it's absolutely incredible what this man and then to say that people in jefferson's time thought that jefferson was a muslim because he had a quran. let me show you something. this is called the jefferson quran. it came out in jefferson's term, you can can see it was printed by aliza thomas. the first american edition of the quran and here's what-h people actually said at that
time. if you look at the very end. think of this. they are asking you that every american should not read excerpts but should read the entire quran and it says you'll find n version. you will wonder that such absurdities have effected the best part of the world and acknowledge what is contained into this book will render this law contemptible. that's what the people said about the quran in the 1806. we were at war with the barberry pirates. thomas jefferson knew exactly. in fact, it was jefferson that was the one who said we can't deal with these guys anymore. read the quran to try to figure out what it is. when he realized that their laws. and when he talked to the grand mufdi their laws said we can kill you. he thought it was absurd and realized there is no negotiating with these guys. >> brian kilmeade has a
whole book out on. this brian knows. >> thomas jefferson and tripoli pirates. your bottom line is what? >> my bottom line is if the president wants to talk about islam,]f he should talk about the difference between muslim and islamist. he shouldn't do it at a mosque that is under fbi surveillance. >> glen, always great hearing from you. thanks for being here. >> thank you very much, megyn. >> also tonight, the oj simpson trial getting a new look and a dramatic new mini series. and attorney allen dershowitz joins us with behind the sceensz detail you have not heard before. we'll get his reaction next. >> o.j.'s house. appears to be blood on one of his vehicles and we can see drops of blood leading into the house there are also two bloody gloves. one in each location that appear to match. >> wow. what were you doing at simpson's? >> we were here notifying a family member. we just didn't realize he turned out to be a suspect.
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>> mark? >> yeah. >>dl we got to withdraw from the case. they kicked it upstairs. >> to who? >> detective van attar. >> where are the kits kids? >> they are being held at west l.a. >> how about o.j. simpson? >> we don't want a belushi situation. can't have him learning about this from tv. >> there is no media here. >> anybody from simpson simpson' address. >> i know where o.j. limps. i'm mark fuhrman. i was there few years ago family dispute. it's a few minutes away you. >> that was a clip from the new mini series american crime story the people vs. o.j. simpson. more than 20 years ago the former football star was acquitted of murder. in a case going to trial of the century. and our next guest, allenhe mide of it all as a member of simpson's so-called legal dream team. first though trace gallagher gets us up to speed on this mini series.
trace? >> megyn, if tv is about ratings, reviews and reaction, the oj mini series is off to a scorching start. fx says the premier set a record with 5.1 million viewers. that's higher than sons of anarchy and the shield. reviews are also glowing with some calling it scanned lullsly entertaining and tour deforce tv story telling. the reaction is mixed. on social media the comments have been mostly positive. the major players that actually lived the trial of the century are not sharing the enjoyment. former o.j. prosecutor marcia clark says watching the show was painful. saying, quote: everybody seemed to forget that two innocent people were slaughtered. not just killed, slaughtered. fred goldman,ñ whose son ron was killed alongside nicole brown simpson says he is furious the show ignores the victims. and kim goldman said this on "fox & friends." listen. >> it's a little unnerving to watch your personnel family story and a story
that impacted us so greatly be played out for the national screen yet again. >> o.j.'s formerly famous house mate indicated doe kaline says the show has too much indicated doe kaelyn and is inaccurate. oj simpson' attorney says o.j. doesn't mind how is he portrayed but doesn't like how johnnie cochran is portrayed. megyn. >> wow. joining us is allen dershowitz who was advisor to o.j.'s legal defense team and author of the book "taking the stand. my life in the law." there he is in the courtroom. great to he so you, professor. >> i was in law school when you guys did this case. we all looked up to you. whether you thought oj was guilty or not. that was amazing defense that was put on. you say it wasn't a dream team at all? >> oh, no, it was a nightmare team. the lawyers were competing with each other for media attention. >> including you. >> i was back in cambridge writing faxes mostly. i was going to do the appeal if he lost. i was the god for bed
lawyer. lawyers had leaked information that they shouldn't have leaked. >> why do you say that. >> for example, we learned he failed a lie detector test. that should never come out. only people that knew that were the two lawyers and lie detector guy. we learned he tried to commit suicide. i didn't know that. >> you learned that from mini series? >> lawyers shouldn't be disclosing that kind of information. lawyer/client privilege really matters. we were a night team but the prosecution, oh myñú god. if you want to blame somebody for what you regard as a miscarriage of justice, they made every mistake in the book. >> what were the worst ones? >> trying on the glove in front of jury. >> it doesn't fit you must acquit. >> i was there under 2 feet away. they could have made him try on the glove outside of the hearing of the jury to see if it fit. they were so arrogant he did it in front of the jury. he walked' to the jury and said it was too small. at that point he didn't0db have to testify. he had testified with that
cross-examination. and then introducing mark fuhrman who is a smart guy. but he was hiding his racist past. that helped us win the case. >> knew about that when the prosecution put him on the stand, did you know about the tapes in which the n word was used? >> no. but we had hints about him having a racist background and we learned about the tapes gradually. and then, of course, the sock. the magic sock. >> refreshed viewers' recollection about. this they claimed a found a sock on a white rock in front of his bed. the video shows no white black socks on the white rug. the bloodh-9÷ anticoagulant poured from a test tube. >> you are not putting that on fuhrman. you are putting that on detective van attar. >> he had access to the blood he had at home. then the sock had mirror images of the blood on all four sotion sides. if you are wearing the sock and gets splattered blood you have mirror images on
inside. it you pour the blood on the sock you get four mirror immanuels. all the jurors in the end many of them thought he was probably guilty but they said the police tampered with evidence that means kiwi can't trust the mountain of evidence. so jurors may have seed even if he is guilty we are not rewarding cops for planting evidence. others said weoo have delegates. >> there were not all black jurors. three whites on the jurors we called the demon she had previously turned and around a jury 11 to 1 for akilts and got a conviction. we tried to get rid of her. she voted for acquittal. two weeks later she had an interview and said i'm so sorry i voted for acquittal. he was really guilty i should have voted for conviction. after thoughts don't count. >> talked about your thoughts on fuhrman, a frequent guest on this show now. i want to talk to you about why this case so restson nateed with americans and still does to this day and another question when we come right back. don't go away.
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so, first of all, on fuhrman, he comes on this show. what do you think of him now? >> he's a smart guy and i think rehabilitated himself. he had a terrible past and did some terrible things and said terrible things. they should never have put him on. marcia clark was warned about him. >> why do you think the case is -- it still resonates with the american public so? >> i think black lives matter, the racial divide, the whole movement based on so many black people being killed brings back memories of the o.j. case. it was not an important case legally. certainly not my most important case. i have had many, many more but it was an important case in terms of exposing a racial divide in america. >> do you think he did it? >> b.b. netanyahu called me into a private office and said, alan, did o.j. do it? i said, mr. prime minister, does israel have nuclear weapons? he said, you know i can't tell
you that. defense lawyers can never disclose anything they learned in the case. >> do you know whether he did it? >> i don't know anymore than most other people would do. he certainly always proclaimed his innocence in the loudest possible way. but we're each entitled to our own opinion but defense lawyers have to go to the grave. >> the jury said he did in a civil case and sits in a prison for a different crime. >> everybody has the right to make their own decision. >> everybody has a right to a great defense lawyer. unfortunately, not everybody gets it. great to see you. we'll be right back. for everybody. we're here for you. just ask. we make it simple. gnc.
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