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breaking tonight, warnings of chaos and confusion with just nine days to go before the south carolina primary. there is buzz about the republican contest possibly ending in a contested convention in july. welcome to the kelly file, everyone. with such a big field, there are growing suggestions tonight that no single candidate will secure enough delegates by the summer. marco rubio sitting down with the associated press to discuss it, saying, quote, i don't think it's negative, the clinton obama
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campaign wins all 50 states, they didn't wrap it up until june. then, they had uncertainty going into the conviction. whatever it is, we're prepared for it. we have a big show for you tonight and diane sawyer with a dramatic account with her interview with the mother of one of the columbine killers. we begin with james rosen on the drama surrounding the republican nomination. james? >> the prospect of a brokered convention is looming over the last few cycles, frightful tones but something that never materializes. this year, smart people are
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filling in their sightings. florida senator rubio licking his wounds from that disastrous debate performance and his fifth place finish, telling reporters it's not necessarily a negative thing if it goes to july. rubio's campaign manager telling the ap this contest could extend to the convention. >> this is a message to donors saying stick with me and a message to kasich and bush saying guess what, boys, i ain't getting out of that main stream lane. >> the last time the americans held a brokered convention was in 1976 when gerald ford eeked
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reagan, it is what happens when the primary process ends. f for the large field of candidates and allocation of ballots has led many to believe sasquatch would emerge from the shadows. >> if you're only getting 5% or 10%, your money drys up. the idea all of us can stay alive is not the way politics works anymore. >> i don't see a convention, you know, where we're going to go, i don't see it.ñi i don't see it. a lot of people talk about it but i don't see it. >> he doesn't see it and the correct term is contested conviction. and the big shots have been
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writt written. >> ben shapiro wrote it's hard to see why a round of brokering in new england is not the best outcome. why? >> if you have three candidates in the race, all you need is at least eight states according to the new rules, you need eight states and you can have three candidates with eight states and nobody was a majority. the problem is that you have too many candidates in this race and if the field is not whittled down, that is a good shot going into the republican convention. >> if that happens and ñi who
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benefits? you assume rubio would benefit. and the reason it's called a brokered convention is all of the candidates have the ability to tell delegates on the first delegate. >> so if it were trump, cruz, and bush, the horse trading going on, nobody gets a majority, then, they say look, i'm the most electable, that isn't a situation in which it hopes they like you. >> it doesn't help if they like you but means ted cruz has problems. if 1938 earl warren came from
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behind because he gave enough votes to thomas dewey. and you is someone like marco rubio saying to trump okay, i'll put you over the top. and you can see theoretically if they had enough combined one of them goes to the others. and i take the dp slot. >> unbelievable. we'll continue to watch it. it doesn't get until march 15th. right now, each state can get some delegates and we get to a point where it's winner takes all. and it's great to see you, ben. >> you, too. >> joining me now with more, charles krauthammer, author of "things that matter". >> what do you think is the likelihood of where no one has the majority of delegates in july?
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>> it's unlikely right now and it's the dream of a few of the lagging candidates who figure they can get the kind of rung that would yield a majority in time for the conviction. what i think is the fight in the so called main stream candidate lane for the one guy to emerge to challenge, they don't understand this is cannibalism going on among the moderates. by the time that this one person supposedly emerges, it will be over. and trump will have swept the field or perhaps cruz will have come to be the one challenger who wins. so i think there is a real danger of that for the main stream candidates and right now, the most likely to emerge would
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be ted cruz. >> now, how important is south carolina? >> south carolina may be one of the last chances for the field to be to the advantage of the main stream or establishment candidate. if it is not, if you get, say, a rubio and a bush, emerging and a kasich, emerging fairly bunched together, i think that will be catastrophic for that lane, for all of them, and would open it up to cruz and trump. >> if trump wins south carolina? >> if he wins it decisively, he becomes a prohibitive favorite. if there are no -- if you don't see a whittling of a field after that, so you're down to one or perhaps two challengers, he can run the tabl >> what is fascinating about trump is, and rush limbaugh made the point, he's not ideological. you know? trump or limbaugh was saying
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he's in the a republican but not a democrat. a and. >> if conservatism is a dominating factor in how you vote, there is no other choice for you in this campaign, because this is the closest in our lifetimes we have ever been to ronald reagan. >> do you agree with that? >> well, i would disagree in the sense that i think rubio is an authentic conservative. bush is kind of a reformist conservative. all of them, i think would be comparable to reagan in 1980. remember, the issues were different in 1980. immigration is not that big of a deal. i think that there are several candidates who are conservative but i do agree that trump is not
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a conservative. he would probably reject that, but he's kind of a what the hellist, meaning these guys have not succeeded, as he said in a tweet, you elected these guys to congress, they made the promises, they haven't kept them. therefore, he'sñr coming in to solve problems and he's in the a traditional conservative. but the mood of the country is that people may care less about ideology than results that he promises, results. >> right now, things are starting to get ugly in south carolina. as we have been told, the cutting ads are coming out. trump caught one against cruz, which he just pulled, we don't know why.
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and cruz cut one against trump which is rough, watch. >> it stood in donald trump's way. and a limousine he wanted for his casino to him, she was a nobody. took her home using eminent domain. >> you're bullying these people out. >> this is a government case, not donald trump. >> this is donald trump. you and your cronies in government working together. >> the power to private gain. >> what kind of man talks from both sides of his mouth on amnesty for illegals on national television and still denies it? sweetheart deals to wall street, and runs a campaign accused of dirty tricks and tried to sabotage ben carson? ted krudz, the worst kind of
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washington insider who just can't be trusted. >> what do you make of those? >> wow, that is heavy stuff. >> right? >> that is dropping all of the ordinance out of all of your airplane on day one of pearl harbor. look. i think the cruz ad is interesting. it's an ideological attack for conservatism. eminent domain is sort of archaic but everybody knows it's a big government coming in and taking away your property for other purposes and that is a central idea, at least generally speaking and surely for private gain. opposing it is a main tenent of conservatism. on the other side, what trump is doing is hitting the cruz with the attacks and the ones that all of the other candidates are levelled against cruz. it's fair stuff, obviously, you
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know sharp, but i don't think any of these two ads is untrue. the question of what is the mood of the electorate? >> and south carolina is used to rough and tumble politics, they may in the be too offended by anything they saw there. >> sit back, enjoy it. i don't think anyone will be calling a penalty for unnecessary roughness. >> charles, great to see you. >> my pleasure. >> coming up, a hollywood legend faces backlash after showing up after a ted cruz campaign event. his crime? trying to be an informed american. tonight, oscar winning actor richa richard dryfuss and his son join us and we'll have the story making headlines and a major +% headache for hillary clinton
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an oscar winning actor under fire for attending a republican campaign event. some on the left attacking actor richard dreyfuss after he was spotted at a ted cruz campaign rally just a few weeks back. joining me now richard dreyfuss and his son, harry. harry was so upset about the criticism, he's wrote a post that's gone viral online. so harry, people decided that your dad, a beloved actor, needed to be kicked out of hollywood, and with things i cannot repeat on national television because they saw him as a republican campaign event. why did you write about it? >> well, so far my political expression has been limited to annoying facebook rants. but when i saw that people were
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attacking my dad for his curiosity, it just -- it offended me on principle. i thought, like, he has taught us that curiosity should be one of our highest values. they made the mistake of thinking that him being there to see what ted cruz had to say that that meant he supported him. but really we should all so highly exalt the ability to go and listen to someone that you disagree with. so i wanted to -- i wanted to stick it to the people who thought that that was not a good thing to do. >> good for you. sticking it to the people is always a good idea when the people are jerks. richard, you said that some people felt betrayed. you were raised -- apparently your mother and grandmother and great grandmother were all socialists. you are not a socialist, but you wanted to take in another viewpoint. were you surprised at the
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backlash? >> no, no. because my other son, ben, who is an editor for "mother jones" magazine, always warmed me never to read comments on the internet because they were from people who were dropped on their heads. [ laughter ] >> what were your impressions of cruz? >> well, i went to hear whether or not there would be a difference between what i was hearing through the tv camera and live. and what was disappointing is that there was no difference. they sounded equally kind of silly. >> how about glenn beck, we have video of you meeting with glenn. you sound a lot like glenn beck in some ways, because you both love the constitution. >> well, name me someone who doesn't love the constitution. >> a lot of people like to play fast and loose with it in today's day and age. >> well, you know, we all feel
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that we know the constitution better than our neighbors. so -- i have my feelings about it and i've enjoyed listening to him, even though we don't agree on everything. and so when he came up to me that day, i was ripe. i was ready to be talked to. >> and that's the thing that you're trying to get to, harry, is that you think people are too dogmatic in this country, that they adopt a party platform and once they adopted it, they don't deviate on any issue, they're not open minded and others payment them with a brush that may be totally off point. >> isn't it odd that you think it's just a coincidence that everybody who believes one thing about being liberal believes every other liberal idea? >> like the entire party platform, every single piece? you don't deviate one thing? >> exactly. and if you don't deviate, then
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that's just showing that you haven't thought about it, you've abdicated your responsibility. >> so did you make any conclusions, richard, have you decided -- it doesn't sound like you're going to vote for ted cruz. have you decided who you will support? >> no. i run a nonprofit initiative to bring the study of civics back to the grades below high school graduation. if we don't know civics in this country, we are giving up knowledge of the greatest political revolution in the history of civilization. >> absolutely. >> and it is -- and it is deemed improper to know too much and we don't credit anyone for an answer to why we might be exceptional. if someone tells me that america is exceptional, my response is,
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if you don't defend that statement and prove it, i'll hit you right in the mouth becau because -- because people don't think that it needs defending and it does. people on the far right are always saying we will expect you to love your country because it's south of canada. and that's no reason. >> and you've been somebody who has been out there saying that for some time. it's no wonder you got this way, harry. it's great to meet you both. i can see your dad's pride in you. thank you both so much for being here. >> thank you. by the way, if you have not seen richard dreyfuss in abc's "madoff," see it. he does an amazing job. except you have to watch the commercials, which is annoying. but it was excellent. coming up, a new campaign crisis for hillary clinton. yet another investigation is revealed.
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this one asking about the clinton foundation and what happened there while she was secretary of state. this as team clinton down plays expectations in another state which she was supposed to beat bernie sanders with ease. mark and julie are here. and it was one of the worst school shootings in our nation's history. now for the very first time, the mother of one of the columbine killers breaks her silence on the guilt, the warning signs, and whether she believe s she raised a monster. abc's diane sawyer is here with a remarkable interview. >> all the kids and the teacher, and i keep thinking constantly how i would feel if it were the
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catherine herridge has the report. >> reporter: the clinton foundation confirming to fox news they got the subpoena seeking documents about the charity. it asks for records about long-time clinton aide uma abdane, as well as an outside consulting firm tied to the clintons. this on its face says the appearance of a conflict of interest. but a clinton spokesman attacked state department investigators. >> you're calling it a plot inside the i.g., the inspector's general office at the state department to get hillary clint clinton? >> they have mounted several fishing expeditions since she decided to run for president with no basis. >> the foundation says they are
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squarely focused on clinton's aide and not her. there's no way to know who was under scrutiny. "the washington post" broke this story that the fbi probe into clinton's use of private e-mail expanded to public corruption. at the time, clinton dismissed the report, even though she must have already known about the foundation's subpoena. >> it's an unsourced, irresponsible, you know, claim that has no basis and it is something that really is without merit and should not have any influence whatsoever in this nominating process. >> reporter: today, a federal judge give the state department until the end of the month to release the remaining 3700 clinton e-mails. and that's no question more contain classified information
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and some are likely too damaging to national security to release in any form. >> wait a minute, just to go back. so your reference back to that sound bite of her, that was the day you reported that there was an inquiry into the clinton foundation, that they had been subpoenaed. that was her responding to your report? because i remember this, her saying it was unsourced, irresponsible with no merit, that was just what was confirmed today? >> no, to be clear, we reported that the fbi investigation had two tracks, the e-mail and also the public corruption. when she was asked about that line of inquiry, she dismissed it at the time, even though she knew that was a line of inquiry that the state department was investigating. >> fascinating. thank you. so those revelations come as the former secretary of state's campaign is being called out for trying to down play its standing. in the upcoming primary in nevada, the caucuses there, with what one political reporter is calling a "fear of bernie sanders," writing "i don't smell a rat, i smell such more pun
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gent from the clinton campaign, fear." joining me now, former chief spoe speechwriter to george w. bush and julie. so the clinton foundation is being investigated, and on top of that, now suddenly nevada may be in jeopardy for her, at least they're trying to suggest it is. we don't know which one is the truth. mark, your take on it? >> she had a near death experience in iowa, trounced in new hampshire, and now in nevada, they're down playing their chances for success when she was up by 19 points there. she says all these investigations should have no impact on the political campaign. the reality is, they are having an impact on the political campaign. and she has an honesty problem among democrats. if you look at the exit polls in
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new hampshire, 50% of democratic primary voters said she's not honest or trustworthy. honesty was the number one issue, and those voters who said that honesty was the number one issue voted 92-6 for bernie sanders. that's without him even raise thing as an issue. so this is having a -- those are stunning members. this is having a massive effect on her campaign and it will continue to haunt her. >> julie, if you extrapolate that number that found her dishonest and said it was important to the greater electorate, you're talking about a few million voters. that could make a big difference in a general election. >> there's no question that she's got issues she needs to address starting first and foremost with a lack of message.
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but look, she really needs to state a reason as to why she's running. bernie sanders has articulated his reason very well. you may agree or disdisagree, b he's been clear that income inequality is why he's in this race. she's been all over the map and as far as nevada, lowering of expectations, it may be just that. may they be lowering expectations so she can come in with a huge victory if she does win and say, look, this is a really tough race but i was able to make it a big win for myself. >> her campaign is coming out saying it's 80% white, that nevada is 80% white and bernie does better in states that are mostly white. but it's not. >> no, it's not. the democratic electorate is expected to be 40% minority. so why is hillary clinton
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lowering expectations that she's going to lose in that state? she wants to dismiss nevada as another white state that bernie sanders won like iowa and new hampshire. so if he does well in nevada, it shows that he can win among minorities and that's bad news going into the south. >> wow. fascinating discussion. thank you, panel. coming up, a mascot gets arrested for disobeying sharia law. look at this picture. where it happened and why it's sparking major backlash, tonight. brian is here on that and other things. for the first time on television, the mother of one of the columbine killers breaks her silence. and the warning she has for every parent. she sat down with abc's diane sawyer and she is clear with a preview. >> part of the shock of this was that learning that what i believed and how i lived and how
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ask your gastroenterologist about entyvio. entyvio. relief and remission within reach. nearly 17 years ago, the nation was shaken to its core by one of the worst school shootings in our history. two teenage boys, hell bent on destruction, entered colorado's columbine high school and murdered 13 innocent people, 12 their fellow classmates, the other a beloved teacher. by the time it was over, two dozen more had been injured and the rest of the school was left horrified by what they just witnessed. as for the two gunmen, they took their own lives. and now for the first time on television, the mother of one of the killers is ready to break her silence. speaking exclusively to abc's diane sawyer.
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watch. >> part of the shock of this was that learning what i believed and how i lived and parented was an invention in my own mind, that it was a completely different world that he was living in. >> she says not a day goes by she doesn't think of the victims and their families. >> i just remember sitting there and reading about them. all these kids and the teacher. and i keep thinking -- constantly thought how i would feel if it were the other way around and one of their children had shot mine. i would feel exactly the way they did, i know i would. i know i would. >> diane sawyer joins me now to discuss her exclusively and eye opening interview with sue
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clebolt. after all this time, 17 years, she goes on camera to talk about this. just in the clip we saw there, you can see the overwhelming guilt. what was your takeaway? >> bringing shattering lessons learned over so much time and so much regret and so much distance and of course, the victim's families and their unsurpassed grief. and she said to herself, what can i do except tell you what i missed and hope somebody else doesn't miss it. >> that's the crux of it, because every parent wonders, what was there she didn't see? >> she has a magnifying glass on her life and one of the reasons she's been writing this for years. >> she's writing a book. >> it's called "a mother's reckoning," and reckoning is a very big word in her life right now. and i think one of the things that will stun you and you'll
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see her journals that she was writing, and she was writing it in the summer that he was writing journals, and she's writing abouted add less sent phases. she is writing about suicidal depression. he is writing about the fact that he will never find happiness in his life, so what is the point? >> she didn't see it? >> she says that, and we've talked to all the experts on this. adolescence are bettered a hiding depression than adults because they don't want to be different. they can hide it and she wrote what she didn't see often. she's going to take you through this, the depression and we have everybody watching it so far inside abc news saying, what am i doing at home? is there something more profound? >> was there something -- we like to believe as parents that these parents must have been
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weird or bad. because we don't want to believe -- was there something that jumped out? did she seem like a normal parent? >> i think when you see her, everyone's first reaction is, that's not what i thought she was going to be like or what she was going to look like. the thing you have to remember and we have to keep remembering, it was 17 years ago. who knew about this incredible adolescent depression? every 95 minutes a person dies. >> this was the first big one that put this problem on the map. >> yes, it was, in so many ways. and i want to be clear about this. adolescent depression, suicidal depression is not the pathway to violence. that is something different. and she alsot that cross road. >> does shenow how it crossed over from the one to the other? >> she is examining every part of it, so are the experts. of course, eric harris was his
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friend, he had a friend, the other killer was there. and this convergence of the two of them is one of the things we really want to study. i will say one thing that i think parents at home are going to be debating big after this, do you respect privacy? do you ransack the room? and it's going to be a big factor coming up in the section in which she tries to deal with this part. >> she wrote years ago about thinking back on her child, and in her words, the monster he became. and then the child again. what does that mean? what did she mean by that? >> she goes from staring at the child, as she dreamed he would be, to staring at the murderer he became. and in her heart, she cannot let go of the child she loved so much, that she always thought he might be. >> she said one time, she said
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very little, but she did write a piece ten years and said he left that morning and said bye, that's it. and that she concluded he must not have loved me, given what he did. is she still in that place if >> i think she's very much this bewilderment about the mysteries of that, and that is one of them. and there is a tape that ends with him saying, hey, mom, got to go. and it's addressed to her. so she's living in this incredible contradiction. and you will see this as she struggles to grapple with who he really was, at which times, and what she missed and blames herself for, forever. >> wow. it's tomorrow night, friday night, 10:00 p.m. on abc news. again, it takes a look at school shootings, mental health, and the status of america when it comes to warning signs and what
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we should be looking for in our kids. diane, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> again, tomorrow night, 10:00 p.m. on abc. incredible. coming up, ted cruz's wife speaks out passionately about her faith. find out who then quickly labeled her thoughts a rant and bizarre. and if you had to pick a celebrity look alike for us, who would you pick? believe it or not, joe concha don't let a cracked windshield ruin your plans. trust safelite. with safelite's exclusive "on my way text" you'll know exactly when we'll be there. giving you more time for what matters most. (team sing) ♪safelite repair, safelite replace.♪
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senator ted cruz's wife, heidi cruz, gave a radio interview and spoke about her faith. cue the accusations of how bizarre her, quote, rant was. >> we are in a cultural cross roads in our country and if we can be in this race to show this country the face of the god that we serve, this christian god that we serve is the foundation of our country. our country was built on judeo-christian values. we're a nation of family of religion. the god of christianity is the god of freedom, of individual liberty, of choice and of consequence. >> the co-host of "fox own
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friends" and author of the big bestseller "thomas jefferson and the tripoli pirates." she's a freak according to some because she made that statement. >> i haven't heard out of line as ted cruz defending her husband's faith, i'd work for him if i wasn't married to him. they go on to say, not what thomas jefferson had in mind, thomas jefferson envisioned a wall of separation between church and state. he's not judging says ken myer. he's not judging. he says he thinks people who dis di disagree are wrong and bad. i don't get that out of that statement. i've seen the reaction. i'm stunned by it. >> picking up on the last segment we did with diane sawyer, it is literally now at the point in our country where our children have to go do practice drills where they hide inside the bathrooms at their preschools because they might get shot. but if their teacher says a prayer when they're in there,
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she can get fired. i mean, that's the place we're at right now in 2016 america. >> i agree with you, and the blowback on this is bizarre, and i get it's unsettling. let's take the callous approach and look at south carolina and let's see how this plays in south carolina, in terms of voting who gets into office. >> separation of church and state as understood by the founders and by regular americans is nowhere near as vigilant, as unforgiving as some in this country are now arguing. there is room for some expression of faith. >> there always has been and ted cruz goes on to say that judeo-christian values are -- to say they do not make up the constitution or the founding fathers in their school of thought is "a" historical revisionism, down play the role of christianity, faith in judeo-christian values. it's been there, it is there yet we continue to debate it there. bottom line is when you go in the voting booth, decide to
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caucus, whatever you decide to do, america is making its decision to sign more with the so-called crazy heidi cruz and ted cruz and especially in south carolina where they seem to make their own decisions, in the finest hour -- >> all right. let's move on to something else. something weird happened with a mascot. what was it? >> it's really simple. in saudi arabia, there was a little bit of a problem. they have the saudi arabian committee for the promotion of virtue and prevention of vice and cracked down on that mascot and you can see why. >> what kind of mascot is that? >> that is the mascot celebrating the launching of a brand new candy shop, young lady. >> okay. >> that sweet shop, it's big news in the capital of riyadh. there's something wrong with that mascot. there is no veil. because there is no veil, it's a violation of the virtue code, therefore, he feels it's a guy dressed as a woman, ended up in the back of the squad car because it's a violation of sharia law. >> come on. >> if you let one mascot go, they're all going to go crazy. we've been all over this. >> cover yourself.
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wait. we go to get to this quickly. top doppelgangers. let's see a couple of them. who do we have first? >> who looks alike? the first one would be, this is megyn kelly. >> my long hair. >> one of the people from -- that's elsa. >> who do we have next? >> eric boling and david hasselhoff. i asked the people of twitter who i look like and came up overwhelming with this. >> stand by. the drama. >> that's anderson cooper and somebody else. >> let's see. okay. >> will smith. pretty overwhelming. i oftentimes get tables in restaurants -- >> i can see some resemblance there maybe in the ears. >> you have to adjust your set. if you have to keep -- i mean, it's very obvious. we both will be at the oscars. >> it's great to see you. >> great to see you.
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so who do you think your doppelganger is? let us know at and follow me on twitter @megynkelly. do you think in the next "frozen" movie elsa should cut her hair? let us know what you think. i'm megyn kelly. this is "the kelly file." tonight, donald trump prepares for the republican showdown in south carolina. >> if we win here after winning so big in new hampshire, all of these characters are going to give it up and we will make america great again. >> the 2016 gop front-runner is here tonight with reaction. then, can the outsider candidates be stopped? >> if you think things are going great in washington, then i ain't your guy. >> pat buchanan is here with expert political analysis. >> when the issues that are important to our constituents, hillary clinton has been there. >> and the congressional black caucus endorses hillary clinton as she puts a major focus on race to fend off bernie sanders. all of that plus herman cain is here to weigh in


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