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you are the national champions for this year. it's quite an accomplishment. >> right. >> congratulations to all of you. we know you have a lot of friends and family watching right now. how much a big wave from new york city, ladies. have a great week. see you on monday, everybody. >> they're finally warm. by nowhere to hide. one day before the next debate and the battle is on in south carolina. republicans hitting each other hard as they battle their way toward next week primary. i'm bill helper. welcome to america's newsroom. martha: good morning. i'm martha maccallum. so south carolina living up to it reputation as a 8 known for bare knuckle politic. nobody is immune from the mudslinging in the state. listen to this. >> i'm not sure a lot of voters are excited about having a
president who when he get rattled or upset begins cursing and yelling vulgarities. >> donald trump has zero foreign policy experience. negotiating a hotel deal in. >> the country is not foreign policy experience. jeb bush has no foreign policy experience. >> he tried the mother, now he's bringing in his brother: >> we need a president who knows what he's doing. if we elect and nominate donald trump we'll be destroyed in the general election. but if he won, it would be a disaster as well. >> jeb has spent all his time being negative. everything is trashing people. spending all your time being negative. i don't have type for that. martha: john robert live in greeneville, south carolina.
trump promised a softer touch but when didn't see it last night. reporter: four of them are speak at bob jones university. i expect they will tone it down. he was taking a flame thrower to the rest of the field. jeb bush who spent the day going across south carolina trying to con vine voters not to vote for donald trump, insisting he's not a real conservative. >> i don't below's a true conservative. these people are stupid. he always says the same thing. i do not believe he's a true conservative. reporter: trump is in florida today and he arrives in south carolina tomorrow. and his campaign manager says he will stay in south carolina
until the 20th and the voting. >> we are about to see the former president on the campaign trail with his brother jeb bush. reporter: he's coming out monday. the charleston area, a hybrid. a lot of mod - -- a lot of mod raghts. i poke to been injury about it. >> the bush family name is well respected in south carolina. how much does that help if you this state? >> it's going to help because people love my mom and dad and they certainly love george w. who kept us safe. and here national security is a principle issue. reporter: a bit of an embarrassing moment for the cruz campaign. they put out an attack ad
hitting marco rubio on immigration. but had to you it down after discovering the actress had done some soft porn. they insist it was an open casting call. and she wasn't vetted. all of this is leading ahead to tomorrow night's debate. it could be a make or break moment for a lot of the candidates. marco rubio is not looking for a rick perry moment, but a moment newt gingrich had in 2012 when he took one question and spun it around and went to the back of the field to win. bill: john kasich finding himself in the cross-hairs. can he stay above the fray?
new hampshire is built differently. 100 town halls, a very intimate setting. a whole different story in south carolina. martha: if you can win two out of the first three. it makes your mark and makes you tougher to be in this whole process. that's one of the reasons in keeping with the fact that lee atwater started this politic we see in south carolina in 1988. that's why it gets so vicious down there. it's just nature of the race and the period in which it hits that makes it very, very important. bill: the democrats were on stage toe to toe with hillary clinton. here is how part of that went. >> don't insult the intelligence of the american people. people aren't cup.
why in god's name does wall street make huge campaign contributions? i guess just for the fun of it. they want to throw money around. >> we have a law in process the president and the federal reserve and others can use if any bank poses a systemic risk. the kind of criticism we heard from bernie sanders about our president i expect from republicans, i don't expect from someone running for the democratic nomination to succeed obama. >> the next president of the united states has to be aggressive in bringing people into the political process. that's what i said, that's what i believe. one of us ran against barack obama, i was not that candidate. bill: that last line might be the most memorable line. chris stirewalt, i'm repeating
your words. hillary clinton is in a nightmare and she can't wake up? from what? >> she is still in all likelihood that doesn't involve the federal bureau of investigation is going to be the democratic nominee. but why does have it to be so hard? you watch her straining and straining and week after week and now a cow us and primary and she find herself fighting with a guy she shouldn't be fighting with. it's a recurring dream she is having that started in 2008. her own party will take any chance it can to avoid her. bill: now it's a race war you say between two white folks older than color television. where do you couple with this stuff. >> sleep deprivation plus
coffee. but it's true. we have two people with a lore almost as deep as my own who are on stage talking about who is the best connected with black voters. what is best for black voters. hillary clinton using bernie sanders criticism of black voters to tail nate him. sanders points out hillary clinton ran a bare-knuckles race in south carolina. she did that to president obama. so both of them making it bad on each other with black voters. bill: i thought her most effective line was you can't pay with what you are proposing. when a voter stood up and said what would you cut from government and neither had a clear answer. >> hillary clinton thought she had a good strategy, move
aggressively to the left. raise a quaraise a quaw a quadr. she has moved left and there is nowhere else to go. it's got roots enthusiasm versus cash and organization. she has the ash and organization. sanders has the grassroots enthusiasm. i spoke to a democratic operative who told me this. sanders people are flugd and ready to go. she needs to win decisively because her whole argument is it's with hispanic and black voters that he sha -- that she r
strength. bill: you look great on color tv, by the way. sanders is raising money and a lot of it. his campaign is quick to push that information out. so watch that. >> last time when hoik ran they were with her and they ended up moving over to barack obama. there is more potential trouble in the backdrop for hoik. her charity foundation was subpoenaed by the state department investigators. why the inspector general wanted a closer look at the charity's records. bill: a gruesome ahack in the nation's heartland.
four people were injured in a rampage with a machete. martha: marco rubio ramping up the rhetoric. >> jeb bush has no foreign policy experience. i thank god george w. bush was president of the united states instead of al gore on september 11, 2001. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot, but ended up nowhere. now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release technology, helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq. what makesheart healthysalad the becalifornia walnuts.r?
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martha: a scary scene in columbus, ohio. a man with a machete going on a rampage. he then lunged at the police with mat set ian the police killed him. >> there was a conversation with the emanyee and he left then returned and immediately started the attack. martha: the four victims thankfully are expected to recover. >> this notion i hear from some people i hear when i was mayor or governor, no you didn't. donald trump has zero foreign policy experience. jeb bush has no foreign policy experience. ted cruz, the on budget he ever
voted for was a budget sponsored by rand paul that bragged about cutting defense spending. ted cruz said edward snowden was a hero, i say he is a traitor. bill: senator rubio, welcome back. jeb bush will say this, marco rubio is not ready and he showed that last week in the debate. and the reaction now is what. >> he had arrive debate. but if you look at all the debates. one of the one shining stars on that stage is marco rubio. i'll expect the same thing from him next week when we have that additional debate. marco says i spent the first debate distinguishing high self from hillary clinton and barack obama.
but i have to distinguish myself on the stage before i get to hillary clinton. bill: jeb bush finished slightly above him in new hampshire and he walks and talks like he has new life in south carolina. >> this will be a -- an election on the economy and security. jeb bush in florida had no policy experience with regard to foreign policy. donald trump, all he did was put his name and buildings. bill: he gave a 45-minute news conference from supporters from
new hampshire to south carolina. he described it as a way to fill in the blanks. why is that important? >> this no doubt is a strength of his. in addition, bill, i saw the study come out. millennials believe in socialism more than capitalism now. we need a candidate that can reach out and touch those new young voters with the ideas that made the country great. marco rubio is the most effective communicator that we have. though we had one rough night, that shouldn't tarnish the great work he has done in reaching a lot of people in a wide swath of the american electorate. bill: you know chris christie is out of the race and the discussion is that he blew up rubio. >> i think rubio is going to go after everybody and distinguish
himself from them. no one has had more ads run against them that marco rubio. over $30 million. i think if you are going to shoot someone you better kill them. i think he will come off of new hampshire and you will see new strengths for him as goes into south carolina. bill: if that's the case, what's his objective on stage with only four others. >> i think his benefit is he's going to have more time. the stage is now shrinking and it gives him more time to lay out his policy arguments on where to take the country. he has done better than donald trump and jeb bush and ted cruz. if you have more time and space to lay out the argument and distinguish yourself from the candidates, i think marco will put new hampshire behind him.
bill: thank you so much. sean duffy, a marco supporter from the hill. martha: hillary clinton had a narrow win in iowa and a huge loss in new hampshire. so why does she have a lead in the so-called superdelegates. bill: no "g" rating for donald trump on the trail. is he too vulgar for the oval office? he's suggesting he's going to dial it back. that's what he said in louisiana before thousands. trump's language now. >> even though it's not a bad word. if it's a little bit off they kill me. i'll never do it again. and i'll never even copy somebody what they ask me to say.
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bill: fire crews in new jersey working overtime battling a five-alarm fire. there is a lot of thick black smoke generated by that fire. they say the air is safe but telling people to keep their windows closed as a precaution. firefighters trying to figure out what sparked the flames. martha: hillary clinton could have a secret weapon in her battle for the nomination. despite losing by more than 20 points she is likely to have the same number of delegates. bernie sanders has 5 and she has 15.
her overwhelming lead among so-called superdelegates could put her over the top. she has 362 committed to her and bernie sanders as 8. buy rob york joins us now. martha: this has the potential to cause bernie sanders supporters to worry it's not on wall street they have to worry about, it's their own party. >> if bernie sanders continues to do well there will be a huge fight inside the democratic party. a regular delegate is required to vote for the candidate his state's voters voted for. he's obligated to do that. but there is another category of
superdelegates, party officials, insiders, and they are not committed. they can vote to who they want to. this goes back to 1972 when a lot of democratic voters thought the voters had gone crazy nominating george mcgovern for president and he went on to lose to nixon. so they created a category of superdelegates. hillary clinton had all the superdelegates on her side yet obama was doing very, very well at the polls and began to beater in the primaries, and there was a big controversy how could hillary clinton have an equal number of delegates. obama won all the races. finally the superdelegates moved over to barack obama and solved the problem and we are in a similar problem now. martha: the primary process is not a popular vote at all. it's the parties way of trying
to read the public's opinion about who they like and then select the person that the party wants to be in there, right? >> yes. but they always end under starting off with the safest most obvious choice. clearly months ago it was hillary clinton. there are a lot of these superdelegates. it takes 3,082 to win the nomination. there are 712 superdelegates. so almost one-third. in sanders continues to do well and hillary clinton has the superdelegates on her side people will say this is unfair. martha: there is also a way someone else could get in on the democratic side if it look like an impediment for her with her issues. >> absolutely.
but the superdelegates have to be where the voters are. i don't think it's politically feasible for the superdelegates to line up behind a candidate who has a minority of primary voters. in the end the superdelegates may line up behind the winner but they give hillary clinton and advantage right now. martha: there are republicans who are not happy with donald trump, can they pull the say kind of leverage? >> what you have in the republican party is right now in these early primaries, we are seeing proportional gigs of delegates that are won at the primaries and caucuses. but after mid-march it will be winner take all. we hear a lot about a brokered convention, that's theoretically possible. once we get to those winner take
all primaries, they will enter the republican convention in mid supper with enough delegates to win. bill: the race in south consider starting to turn aggressive. kasich is live in a moment to react to all of that. >> i work hard to make sure medicaid wasn't expand. he's proud of it. i think it's the wrong thing to do. that's not attacking him. we live in a pick and choose world.
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while the foundation was raising money from foreign donors and hillary clinton was the secretary of state. the subpoena looking for records on clinton aide huma abedin. she has come under scrutiny for holding outside jobs while she was still on the state department payroll. >> do you worry about his legacy in everything is trashing people. trump is like all this guy does is attack. i don't know what he's thinking. dose realize the family legacy? he's spending all your time being negative. i don't have time for that. bill: ohio governor john kasich
brushing off comments from jeb bush. you spent a lot of time -- >> bill, listen, up in dixville notch i beat trump. you spent a lot of time talking about bush yesterday. are you worried about him? >> no, i'm not worried about anybody. my greatest concern is being able to have the infrastructure here in south carolina to absorb the enthusiasm. we are here in south carolina. we are scrappy. we are plugging here. we'll move to the rest of the country. the deep south, virginia, michigan, the midwest. i'm not worried about any individual. just having enough time to get out and see as many people as i can. bill: you said does he realize the family legacy? what dose mean by that?
>> when i think of new hampshire and they spent i don't know, $6 million, $7 million on negative ads against me. most of them were distoargs. they attacked me in iowa and south carolina and nevada. i'm not running anything like that. i'm just telling people what i want to do. and when i talk to team about running a positive campaign they cheer. it's hard to unite the country when you spend all your time attacking somebody. you know's hitting you for not being conservative enough. >> john kasich expanded medicaid through obamacare. as a private citizen i worked hard. he's proud of it. i think it's the wrong thing to
do. that's not attacking him. it's just pointing out there is a difference. i have the most conservative reform-minded record as governor of the state of florida. >> he served on the board of a company that was an enthusiastic supporter of obamacare. in our state we took medicaid growth from 10.5% to.5% in our second budget. it was one of the most conservative changes in the country. we were up 400,000 jobs. and i don't think it makes sense to not offer care to the mentally ill so they live under a bridge or in a prison which costs a lot of money or to the drug addicted. or to the working poor who spend their time in and out of emergency rooms. i believe the governor of
florida, rick scott has wanted this and they aren't been able to get it done. >> it worked in new hampshire, too. late tuesday night the bush team put out a memo that said you are hostile to the u.s. military. you know up and down the coast of south carolina. military issues are important. to that you say what, governor? >> first all, bill, i was what you call a chief hawk. many of us thought we should make sure the resources get to the men and women on the front lines of the military. when i found a $400 hammer or $5,000 wrench i thought it was important to clean that up. i also thought it was important that the services work together. i was a supporter of the reagan buildup. when i wasn't even in public can office the secretary of defense called me to the pentagon to help with their biggest problems.
they also say i raised taxes by $5 billion, but i cut taxes by $5 billion. i balanced the federal budget, we cut tax. the surplus was growing. i cut taxes more than any other governor. our pensions are secure and our credit is secure. i want to take that same formula of common sense regulation and lower taxes and fiscal restraint back to washington. bill: one final thing here. how have things changed for you since new hampshire. a lot of people in south carolina. you haven't had a ground game. you have more than 100 town halls in new hampshire. on the face of it south carolina would seem to be a lot more difficult of a race for you. >> i don't think so. we are not as built out here as
we were in ham. but i said if we did well in new hampshire we would be the story and we are. people are coming from across the country. we are going to be fine. we are scrappy here. and we are going to do as west we can. but the campaign doesn't end in youth carolina. it moves on to the rest of the country. but the enthusiasm is good here. voters are the same -- really their concerns are the same everywhere. they like the idea you have a positive message instead of spending your time attacking others. i don't even mention anybody else in my town hall meetings. even donald trump is beginning to understand it. >> do you think your message sold better in new hampshire? >> i think my message sells fine everywhere. they arworried about their comm.
it's the same everywhere, bill. people are people. i'm not changing my message. and we are getting overflow crowds and people are leaving and they are signing up. i don't buy that. that's one of those media fantasies. bill: thank you, governor. we'll see you on the stage tomorrow night. >> the cincinnati kid. bill: now you have got a big test. coming out of new hampshire, a lot of momentum. how quickly can you get that word out in south carolina. martha: kasich, bush and rubio trying to fill the same territory in south carolina and an interesting matchup between cruz and trump. all right. marco rubio taking trump to task a bit here.
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it's nicknamed the vomit comet for a reason. despite the exploding paintball. martha: i don't understand the pirks nadas on the floor. they don't respond to zero gravity as they had hoped. trump's language on the campaign trail not sitting well with another candidate. >> even in our political culture i teach my kid to be respectful. there are some words you don't say. no matter what setting you are in act with dignity. then i turn on the tv and you have a presidential candidate using pro fnity from a stage. all these things undermine what we teach our children. martha: donald trump telling a huge crowd in baton ruining,
louisiana, basically that he's done with that. >> i won't use foul language. even if it's not a bad word. if it's a little bit off. i'll never do it again actually. and i'll never copy somebody what they ask me to say. martha: juan williams, fox news political analyst and mary katharine ham, welcome. a lot of the candidates discussing this. it has been bubbling around as an issue the last couple weeks. juan, does it matter? >> does it matter who whom. we saw the results in new hampshire. i think the people right as non-p.c. he's an alpha male who is reflecting giving voice to anger and he's daring and willing to do it.
if you are asking me is this lincoln, gets why is burg, martha, no, i find it personally degrading and offensive. but remember it's bully talk the way he talks about women and the like. but i'm not his audience. but his audience seems to appreciate it. martha: he loves it when the audience respond positively, when he gets them going. that's part of what the electricity of these rallies is. so even at times as he did last week he repeats a word that was said in the audience as though it isn't saying it yourself, i guess. the question in 2016, is this something that matters to the american people in. >> full disclosure i will cop to having a sailorresque vocabulary occasionally. martha: don't we all. but the question is does it work
in a presidential campaign. >> it works with your un-p.c. brand. i don't thinking about o non-of the c. requires cussing all the time. we are southerners. even when we are playing beer punk at a tailgate party we are wearing dresses. he doesn't follow the normal political rules and it doesn't seem to hurt him. but i wish he would keep it cleaner. i welcome his change of heart. martha: he said i can adapt when i need to to the circumstances. so, "a," juan, do you believe that's going to happen, in some ways, this issue goes to the larger question of being presidential and is this candidate presidential? do you believe hip when he says
he can change. he can elevate that part of his personality to suit the white house in a proper way. >> i don't think that's been donald trump all along. i believe he has sufficient discipline that he can say i'm going to refrain from using profanity. i think he will use blank spaces and wings and nods. i think it's part of the brash persona he's selling. when you hear rubio ask about the kids or you hear women object to the kind of bully descriptions. i don't think that goes away. i think that's who he is. martha: he always says i did all that stuff. i was a businessman. businessmen function differently in the world than presidents. and he's saying he can evolve there. we have seen hip change some of his tactics on the campaign trail. do you believe him?
>> i think he can tamp it down for a bit. but the bottom line is donald is going to do donald. he's running as a brand and that's what people like about him. i think it will be more wink and nod. the other issue is change on policies. he's certainly capable of that. i think in the general when he need to go back to the middle if he were the nominee he would be willing to change again. if you have somebody running on a business record. then he's happy to change. >> thanks for keeping it clean, guys. bill: a packed flight make an emergency landing, that cabin filling with smoke. what went wrong on board here. martha: a water main break plus freezing temperatures equals this icy mess.
martha: a water main break leaves everything around it covered in ice. scranton, pennsylvania. the broken line has been repaired, but it's kind of pretty in an interesting icy way. bill: kind of cold. martha: it will be cold over a large part of the country the next couple days. bill: is there a ceasefire on the horizon after almost five years of war in syria? reporter: it's a weak one.
they are not calling this a ceasefire. it's some kind of truce which won't start for a week. it will include the islamic group on the ground but doesn't call for cessation of russian bombing. victory in aleppo would be seen as decisive. this recent offensive in aleppo led to the exodus of 50,000 refugees up to the border with turkey. the fear is another 300,000 will follow if the city is cut off. bill: is there optimism some sort of deal could hold? >> very little optimism. there are been very few attempts at peace. leaving russian bombing allowed
means that this is absurd. this year russia has killed more people than the regime, al qaeda, and isis put together. cities like media have been subjected to policies called surround and starve. it has given russia more time to consolidate their game. bill: benjamin hall live in london. martha: ted cruz going for the jugular accusing donald trump of decades long pattern of sleaze according to ted cruz's new commercial. is this an issue in south carolina? bill: george bush hitting the stump for his brother jeb. >> he's not done this before. since he left office he has not been involved in any public political event, and i'm proud
martha: so a familiar face is about to return to the campaign trail. former president george w. bush for the first time will hit the road with his brother jeb in a state that he won as candidate back in 2000, south carolina. but will he be able to help his brother's campaign when he heads out there? that is win of the big questions today. welcome, everybody, to brand new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. low profile he kept since leaving office absence with a event outside of charleston, south carolina. with this radio spot he is offering his support. >> he can make the tough decisions to keep americans safe and our country free. in a time of crisis he will be a steady hand. martha: chris wallace is anchor of "fox news sunday."
good morning, chris, good to see you. >> good morning to you, martha. martha: what did you think about this entrance of george w. bush to the campaign trail? >> first of all it will be fascinating because as you say he has really been private since he left office back in 2009. i suspect he is doing this more out of just family loyalty to his brother than he is because of any zest or desire to get on the campaign trail. that will really be key when he goes to that town hall on monday night. i mean is he going to say, gee my brother is a great guy, which is all he saying in the ads which i suspect isn't going to cut all that much? you suspect your brother to back you. or is he really taking on some of the other candidates like trump, like cruz, like marco rubio? i very much doubt that. i just don't he see the 43rd president of the united states really getting down and dirty in a very combative political state like south carolina and taking on the others. it will be interesting to see if
he is even asked about donald trump or marco rubio. but i just don't see him taking the bait. martha: as you might expect donald trump doesn't exactly feel that way. he had something to say about the emergence of george w. bush on the campaign trail and here that is. >> he is bringing his brother in now. he is, tried the mother, which is very nice lady i'm sure but tried the mother. that didn't work out so good. now he is bringing in his brother. we got him in quicksand. i was against the war in iraq. we have to be given credit for vision. i was against the war in iraq because i said you will totally destablize the middle east. martha: us did the return of george w. bush bring the return of that question? my bet we're likely to hear some of that in the debate on saturday night, chris. >> yeah. i hope so. it will be interesting to see. but you know jeb bush runs away from that as well. you know, he, as we've seen he isn't particularly comfortable
answering questions about his brother's foreign policy and particularly the decision to go into iraq. i don't think, bush, jeb bush wants to relitigate that. i'm not sure george w. bush wants to relitigate it. so i, you just have to wonder how much this is, good it is going to do. barbara bush was out campaigning for her son and it is quite remarkable to see her at age 90, beloved former first lady out in the campaign trail in very frigid new hampshire last week but didn't help him much there. he still finish ad kind of distant fourth at 11%, a third of what donald trump got. i'm not sure george w. bush will -- you know, there is another point there. a lot of people have been a little surprised and a little disappointed with jeb bush that he doesn't seem to have the political skills of his brother. so you wonder about the contrasts when the two of them are side by side at a town hall meeting. will it help jeb bush or will it
say, gee, he really isn't his brother in terms of his political instincts and his skills on the stump. martha: that's a great point. you know when you look at it from a historic perspective and think about the possibility of a bush-clinton race again, and hillary clinton has the same problem when it comes to bill clinton. when he comes out there he reminds everybody of sort of the good ol' days and vim and vigor on campaign trail she does not have. >> although i will say that bill clinton in his current state, i'm not sure he reminding anybody of vim and vigor. he is, obviously had some health issues. i don't think he has the, you know, it is, as somebody once said it is not the bill clinton of old. it is the old bill clinton. martha: tough stuff. that has been the reaction of a lot of people watching him out there. but it does remind everybody do we want to a bush-clinton race out there when they see the family members on the trail,
standings up for people wanting that job this time around. chris, thank you so. good to have you here this morning. >> thank you. bill: really interesting things developing in that state now. tomorrow night you have got the debate. on monday night you have president bush outside of charles son in southeast part of the state. that is county he won in 2008 when he beat john mccain. at the same night, same time donald trump is up in greenville, south carolina. a little more conservative, birthplace of the tea party. these will be dueling events in one prime time night. you need a split screen for that i imagine. martha: ted cruz doing very well in the state. he may give donald trump a run for his money there. interesting couple days through next saturday. bill: battle on the other side, two democratic candidates going at it, hillary clinton, bernie sanders in wisconsin. last time to debate before the next caucus which is in nevada
eight days from tomorrow. seven days, rather. we heard some of the sharpest jabs yet from both. watch. >> i do not expect from republicans, i do not expect from someone running from the democratic nomination to succeed president obama. >> madam secretary, that is low blow. do senators have a right to disagree with president? have you ever disagreed with the president? i suspect you may have. bill: mike emanuel, live in milwaukee. good morning to you, mike. what was clinton's line of attack with health care? where was she going with that? reporter: bill, good morning. hillary clinton strongly defended obamacare trying to improve it. bernie sanders advocated medicare for all type system. clinton went after sanders what it will really cost. >> the questioner would spend $500 in taxes to get $500 in health care. every progressive economist who analyzed that says the numbers don't add up.
that is a promise that can not be kept. >> family right in the middle of economy would pay $500 more in taxes, and get a reduction in their health care costs of $5,000. reporter: clinton continues saying she doesn't want to relitigate the fight over obamacare. she wants to improve it. sanders says his proposal how you get 100% of the american people being covered. bill? bill: they talked about government programs and how much you will spend on government and what will you cut as well? which seemed not to get much of an answer. what about foreign policy? where did they draw their differences, mike? reporter: bernie sanders was as aggressive on that front being critical of hillary clinton's role in places like libya and warned of unintended consequences in foreign policy. here is clinton's defense. >> as we all remember, senator obama when he was against me was against the war in iraq.
when he won he turned to me, trusts my judgment, my experience, to become secretary of state. >> judgment matters as well. judgment matters as well. and she and i looked at same evidence coming from the bush administration regarding iraq. i led the opposition against it. she voted for it. reporter: interesting contrast. sanders did not mind drawing a distinction between him and president obama while hillary clinton took every opportunity she could to embrace obama and basically say, if you want to continue his legacy, elect me, bill? bill: interesting stuff. thank you. mike emanuel live in milwaukee, wisconsin. thank you, mike. martha: potentially new complications for the clinton campaign. clinton foundation records have been subpoenaed by the state department's investigators. peter doocy with more on this in washington this morning. peter, what exactly have we learned that the state department is looking for here? reporter: martha, they want to
see if the clinton foundation was getting special treatment while bill clinton was raising money for the charity for projects that may have needed state department approval while his wife is in charge. state department inspector general carefully reviewing huma abedin's records she is known as the aide that never leaves hillary clinton's side. she got special permission to work for the state department, clinton foundation and consulting firm and still unclear exactly why she needed that setup. still also unclear whether or not she kept the roles at those jobs completely separate but state department ig is about to find out, martha. martha: has clinton commented o? reporter: not about the new report that the state department is searching for conflict of interests. clinton says if any part that a fox news report that fbi was looking overlap between the state department and clinton foundation was true and she said there was not.
>> it is an unsourced, irresponsible, you know, claim that has no basis and it is something that, really is, without merit and should not have any influence whatsoever in this nominating process. reporter: any possible punishment would follow this investigation would be in addition to any possible punishment that comes from the fbi investigation into the alleged mismanned link of top secret information. martha. martha: peter, thank you very much. bill: got that doing around, right? martha: a couple of administration inquiries looking into hillary clinton. makes it tough to claim there is right-wing conspiracy unearthing all this stuff right now. she claims she is not the target of this investigation so we will see. bill: ten minutes past now. ted cruz stepping up hits on donald trump like this one here. >> eminent domain is wonderful.
yes, we have to use power of he will meant domain. >> trump uses power for personal gain. imagine the damage he could do as president. bill: has ted cruz found an issue that can bring undo the republican front runner? we'll look at this in a moment coming up. martha: just how nasty the race is going to get in the palmetto state. why some candidates say we are just getting warmed up. bill: something you do not want to see on board, oxygen masks dropping from the ceiling of that plane and terrifying moments ahead.
bill: scary moments on board this american airlines flight out of l.a. bound for phoenix. this plane made an emergency landing. cell phone video you're watching. passengers used oxygen masks after eight people cop plained about breathing trouble. that flight landed safely back in l.a. everybody checked out and everybody is okay but no word on what caused issue onboard. martha: ted cruz sharpening his attacks against donald trump. he is out with a scathing new ad focusing on trump's past use of eminent domain, accusing him of a pattern of sleeze. i guess we're in south carolina. right? take a listen. >> was home all she had left and but stood in donald trump's way, for the limousine and casino he want to him she is nobody. martha: we have columnist for
"the washington post" and fox news contributor. mark, good morning. great to have you here. >> good morning, martha. martha: i want to play donald trump's response to that. >> they take the ads and they're vicious and say say anything. they say anything. i hope you don't believe the crap because it is all crap, okay? [applause] they're lies. i mean they're lies. talk about eminent domain. without eminent domain you wouldn't have a road. without eminent domain you wouldn't have hospitals or anything. by the way without eminent domain you wouldn't have the keystone pipeline. martha: mark, what do you think? >> you know that is not a very effective response because the fact is donald trump used eminent domain, coercive power of government to take an old lady's home away, to try to take an old lady's home away to build a limousine parking lot for his casino. the problem with eminent domain in this case as ted cruz is alleging. it was not for public good but private gain. he accusing him of cronyism, funding democratic politicians
who gave him the power to try to take this lady's home away. this is very powerful attack against donald trump. it i will be interesting about how he responds. martha: i asked donald trump about this last week. his response is, she was offered a lot of money. his, his feeling is, that in these exchanges, these people end up doing well. that they're offered a lot of money. she fought it. she didn't want that money. she wanted to stay in her home. she went to court and ended up winning in the court case, correct? so he is saying, you don't have the power to push someone out. what you have the power to do is offer them a lot of money for their home. if that's a deal they want then they can take it. >> he tried to push her out of the her home. he tried to use power of government. this is old lady living in a small home in atlantic city had to hire a lawyer and fight him in court. it wasn't like he offered her money and said no thank you. okay and moved on. there was a whole huge lawsuit involved in this.
so i think, it is, a tough, it's a tough attack. what is interesting is, this is the first time anybody has gone after donald trump's business record. i'm shocked by the way that we've gotten this far into the campaign and this is the first attack on trump's business record we had. you go back to 2012. by this time newt gingrich, by the time we bottom to south carolina newt gingrich had ads up about mitt romney's record at bain capital that looted companies and laid off workers. all these candidates up until now spent hundreds of millions of dollars attacking each other. the rule was donald trump won new hampshire by 20 points. so finally now we're here in south carolina. they're finally turning on donald trump and his business record. it will be interesting to see how he parries it. martha: you think $100 million that was spent between, you know, jeb and christie and rubio was a big mistake. >> well, yeah, because they're all fighting each other. plays into donald trump's strategy. he is the frontrunner.
they thought that you know because he didn't do so well in iowa that he was wounded. they fight each other. chris christie attacks marco rubio. donald trump attacks marco rubio. donald trump, i mean, bush attacks kasich and rest. they're all fighting amongst each other and donald trump won such -- if you look what he did in new hampshire, he won every single demographic group. he won rich people, poor people, women, men, religious, secular. they have woken up finally. martha: those people would say they don't care about what you're talking about here. they feel like he understands how they feel about this country. that they want to make america great again. >> sure. martha: that he did what he had to do as businessman. he also would say i believe, you know, business is different. than being president of the united states. business is tough. you know. an people do play hard ball in business. and, i don't think you will find a successful businessman across this country who doesn't have people who would criticize the
way he does business. >> no, absolutely. and look, this ad quite frankly is also an opportunity for donald trump. because one of the things that frustrated republicans about mitt romney was, first gingrich attacked him on bain capital. then obama attacked him on bain capital. they even accused him of killing a woman because she lost her insurance and because of mitt romney and died of cancer. mitt romney never fought back. donald trump prides himself being counter puncher. he has to counterpunch and counter punch effectively. it could help him. martha: difference between romney and donald trump, the american people know donald trump. they have known him a long time. seen it play out in the papers and his programs and all of that. perhaps that makes a difference. we will see. obviously south carolina is important battleground for all of these folks. >> see you, martha. bill: bernie sanders and hillary clinton meanwhile slugging it out in the debate last night
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regard by russia's president. the pope called russia's military action in ukraine, fratricidal fighting. those are the same terms used by president putin himself. bill: steve harrigan, live in miami, florida. 26 past. martha: the candidates getting a bit down and dirty in the palmetto state at this point. how low will this go and will anybody be immune? first john kasich who wants to keep it positive. >> i asked him in new hampshire to give me a chance to take it to america and i'm here in south carolina and i'm having the time of my life. give me a chance to take this to america. look, if i can't do that, i'm blaming you. just that simple.
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the name. that is a low energy, individual, folks. >> i built a business with my partner to be the largest commercial real estate business in south florida. i didn't go bankrupt four times and call that success. >> there is something profundly wrong when republican presidential candidates are repeating barack obama's talking points. >> he is willing to say or do anything in order to win an election. that is why he ordered his campaign or his campaign ordered people to tell people that ben carson dropped out in iowa hopefully to steal away some votes there. bill: that was just yesterday. republican candidates hitting one another. remember this is a state, south carolina, that has backed the eventual republican nominee almost every time going back to ronald reagan back in 1980. matt moore, chairman of the republican party of south carolina is not sleeping now. how are you doing? >> good morning, bill. bill: i want to give our viewers a sense why your state has become such a pivot point in
these campaigns? >> well, i give every candidate in south carolina a piece of advice. don't bring a beautier knife to the machine gunbattle that is south carolina politics. those machine guns are blazing. south carolina is so important. we're twice as big as new hampshire and iowa combined. this will winnow the field considerably. have big impact in georgia and tennessee on march 1st, an beyond. bill: i saw donald trump signing a baby's hand, nine-month-old that had a pacifier in his mouth that said donald trump as well. van hipp, you know him? he is from south carolina. you used to have your job, right? >> that's right. bill: you know him well? >> very well. bill: this is what he told neil cavuto yesterday at 1:00 on fox business network no i would not be surprised to see trump hit 40 points. looking a whole lot like the old gingrich campaign. you have to give him credit. he has a vision to look at
south carolina very early on and i think he took a page, this is key, i think he took a page out of old president bush 41 playbook, made south carolina his firewall. bill: you are supposed to be neutral, right, and you are, correct. you haven't endorsed. >> i very much am. bill: van hipp has not endorsed anyone either. what do you think about he said about donald trump. >> i have to give my friend van a little bit of a hard time. it is a jump ball in south carolina. donald trump is leading in polls. there have not been polls in south carolina since mid-january. candidates dropped out. i've seen gigantic crowds for all top four or five candidates in south carolina past few days. i love my friend van but i'm not seeing that, van. bill: let me dive into this then. if he is copying bush 41's playbook, what was his playbook in south carolina in 1988? >> south carolina is conservative state in a conservative party.
we're a bellwether not only for the south but for the nation. and the idea is that if you can win in south carolina with the diverse electorate here that you can win across the country and be the nominee of this party. so that is probably what van is referring to. but i think what is true though here, everyone of these candidates are getting a close look once again after iowa and new hampshire. bill: my guess is you have to appeal to veterans along the coast. you have to appeal to conservatives up state. you have to appeal to moderates probably live where you are in columbia, south carolina. is that kind of thing? >> yeah. we expect 700,000 people voting in our primaries. it's a gigantic primary. the candidate that wins here in south carolina will do the best across the three traditional legs of the stool of republican party. social, fiscal and military focus, conservative voters, simple as that. but not very simple. bill: you know it gets pretty nasty, right? these guys are sizing each other up.
there is a website, will show our viewers. it is called the whisper campaign. brought to you by the folks at courier out of charleston, right? what do you know about this? why is it necessary? >> well there is a long history of colorful and creative political tactics here in south carolina. the worst thing you can hear in a booth at a restaurant in columbia, you didn't hear this from me but let me tell you. that has changed maybe a little bit with the availability of information on facebook and social media. but certainly a history here of creative campaign tactics. speaks to how important south carolina is. i'm telling you there will be only a few tickets out of here. the race will change considerably following south carolina. >> i agree with you. the whisper campaign, they have never done this before, right? where you have a website to rat out rumors, right? >> isn't that interesting. twitter is mostly used for that. i like the fact that the post courier gotten ahead of that.
that is kind of neat. bill: we'll see who reports. matt moore, talk to you next week. we'll see where we are after debate this weekend and rally on monday. two of them. martha. martha: it is pretty clear voter outrage is playing a huge role in the presidential election, really like few could have imagined. you don't want to miss some groundbreaking fox news insight to what is behind the rise of outsiders like donald trump and bernie sanders. fox news reporting, voter revolt. takes you down to the ground level to see how the race is emerging for the white house and it promises to be really a wild ride. we may see process here like we have not seen in the past. bret will lay all that out in a special at 10:00 tonight, right here on fox news channel. plays again over the course of the weekend as well. bill: get down to the veriers what they're thinking, what they're feeling, what their concerns are and what they want for the future. good stuff. check it out. check this out too.
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bill: world health organization now saying it might be 18 months before a vaccine is available for the zika virus. there is no known cure which causes a rash and flu-like symptoms. also been linked to rare birth defects. so far 52 cases reported across 16 states and washington, d.c. ♪ martha: so last night hillary clinton painting bernie sanders as a single issue candidate in the first debate since her big loss in new hampshire. clinton arguing that sanders owed voters a better explanation of how he would actually get things done. >> it would probably increase the size of the federal
government by about 40%. but what is most concerning to me, is that in looking at the plans, let's take health care for example, last week in a cnn town hall the senator told a questioner that, the questioner would spend about $500 in taxes to get about $5000 in health care. every progressive economist who has analyzed that says that the numbers don't add up. martha: there you have it. julie roginsky, democratic strategist, guy benson, townhall.com. both fox news contributors. very nice to have you both here. hi, you guys. julie, let me start with you. so hillary's concerned that would grow the government by 40% according to her calculations. that is a pretty big jump. >> yeah, look, this debate was really a tale of a huge contrasts. one hand you have aspiration. on other hand you had perspiration. bernie sanders who is as per
racerral, doesn't seem to bother himself with facts and minutia of policy proposals galvanizing a very liberal message and very liberal audience. hillary clinton who has clearly done her homework but is plodding along talking about things almost in the weeds and is not necessarily galvanizing the imagination of the electorate way bernie sanders is. remains to be seen which of these two visions is successful. for hillary she desperately needs a cohesive message her supporters could gather around. i don't think she proposed one. for sanders he need to explain to people how all these pie-in-the-sky proposals canning cop flickered. sounds like they can not be. martha: sounds like you're not happy with either option. >> i would like one of them. if bernie sanders can somehow explain to me the math i would love to hear it. for her i would really love to her explain not just me, to all of her supporters what the reason is behind her candidacy. can't be distilled down, it is
my turn. i'm a woman. i know the math. she needs some things her husband did in 1992. her husband was very clear, it is the economy, stupid. barack obama in 2008. hope and change. donald trump is talking about making america great again. you may not know what that means but people can get behind it. she needs to articulate a particular message. martha: she brought up that bernie sanders's programs would be enormously expensive for the united states government. give everybody free health care and free college education. it doesn't mean that it is free. everybody else pays for it and pays for it through taxes essentially. so, she started sorted getting to the moderate side of what he is saying, giving reality check to democratic voters. look, this is what we're talking about here. looking back at bill clinton and welfare to work program and saying maybe that is where i need to be too? >> first of all, let me say for the record i agree with julie. i'm also not happy with either
of these options. what i would say is, what hillary was doing last night, martha, i think was making a play for the electability argument she has been advancing. when you look at candidate characteristics in this race hillary has the advantage on electability and experience. she is getting blown out on trust and empathy for reasons i think are obvious and what she's saying essentially without necessarily using the word, she is saying bernie sanders and his ideas are radical in the context of american politics which they are. our national debt is $19 trillion. bernie sanders almost proposed that dollar amount in new spending, much of which he would pay for allegedly with across the board tax increases that impact all american workers. so that is the point she's making. whether it will resonate in democratic primary i'm not sure because her party is lurching farther and father to the left. it is becoming a bernie sanders party. martha: it is fascinating to look at.
what you talk about the economy, julie, what is going on in the stock market, obvious dissatisfaction of a lot of middle class workers in this country who feel things have not turned around for them, how dot candidates make an argument these policies have worked? that democratic policies have worked well over the past seven and almost eight years? >> well you don't operate in vacuum. you draw contrasts between the last republican president and nobody can articulate a message about his successes. we had a huge, huge, huge crash. and worst recession since the great depression on his watch. so -- martha: that was a long time ago. that is really long time ago. you got a debt that is now $17 trillion. it has gone up more under president obama for the previous presidents combined. >> look, first of all you have to look at fact under obama we had job growth and predictions of obamacare costing jobs, private sector jobs grown every month since obama care was enacted. you don't operate in vacuum. are things perfect? no.
you look what contrast between obama's job creating record and fact that last republican president through trickle down economic policies left country on verge of a hu you day look, tale of two visions what do you prefer. democrats prefer the ones i outlined of the problem for bernie sanders, guy alluded to this to some extent his proposals are just unrealistic. there is no way to make the math work. math doesn't lie. math is not subjective. for hillary when she points that out, she is look lacking pointing that out. not enough to point out why his vision is incorrect. she needs a coherent vision of her own. not just that i'm competent, trust me. i can get this done. it needs to be more gal vannizing i don't see that from her yet. exempt last night she had her best moment with the closing statement. if she distills that on campaign trail she will be on the way to turn her campaign around. martha: that is what comes down
to, guy. julie is saying for hillary clinton to have message and vision. vision has bottommen bernie sanders so much attention. kids across the country saying give me free health care and free college. sound like a great deal. maybe she has a big void on her sign in the great america great version. >> i don't think she knows exactly who she is. which is why there have been some iterations and rebrands of hillary clinton. i will point out the democrats will go back and keep blaming george w. bush in the 2016 presidential election sort of i think a dead end. that crash we talk about so often in 2008. that was caused by reckless government policies that led to a subprime mortgage lending crisis that got sort of spread into the wall street realm as well. you know, we heard obamacare there and predictions about obama care. cbo, nonpart partisan budget score keeper said it cost the economy equivalent of two million full-time jobs.
these are arguments democrats can try to advance, whether bernie or hillary in 2016. we turned page as country and ref foot stations old tired arguments. >> guy, you have republicans going back exact same policies they have been talking about since george bush you can draw a contrast. same policies you advance today are same policies created huge recession in 2008. so it is not like you're operating in a vacuum here. martha: guy brought up other side of the equation from the wall street story and crash which is the government involvement in how all of that happened which just is, remarkable that you never hear bernie sanders or hillary clinton talk about that part of how all that happened. >> of course they wouldn't. of course they wouldn't. martha: we will see. thanks, you guys. have a good weekend. good to see you both. bill: jon scott waiting in the wings still celebrating denver broncos super bowl championship. how are you, jon? >> i am and it will go on all year. good morning to you. substance but not a lot of fire
works at the democratic debate. where is the clinton controversies? we'll have post-debate analysis. in south carolina republican race reaches critical mass there. donald trump versus ted cruz with a flood of advertising. we'll catch you up on that. plus a very special look back at one super bowl party and look back at victory lap after iran hostages were released back in 1981. quite a story. bill: good stuff. see you, jon. ten minutes away. so einstein was right. after all he is einstein. but what does this latest discovery in space mean for us? ♪
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♪ martha: the people in san francisco they take their coffee very seriously. check out the equator coffee shop. you can stop in there and pick up a $15 cup of coffee. so what makes it so special? the beans come from the company's farm in south america, located more than a mile up the mountains in panama. they're hard to grow. this particular batch took eight years. bags of beans went for $75. they sold out in a matter of hours. i like mine free. free from the green room. right down the hall. bill: we call them suckers? martha: yes, we can. bill: drink up, folks. scientists unlocking answers in the universe finding proof of gravitational waves or ripples in the fabric of space time. einstein way ahead of this game. he predicted this 100 years ago. cory powell, science editor of aon magazine.
how are you doing, cory? nice to see you. i'm looking at story, rhyme trying to figure out what does it mean? >> was your head exploding? bill: i felt like einstein. what does it mean? what can scientists learn from this? what does it teach us? you look at it and say what to that answer? >> i look at it and say this is some of the most fundamental exploration you can do. this is about as deep and far as the human mind can go. when einstein was starting 100 years ago he was trying to understand what is gravity, space and time? how with are we connected to universe. we he close ad loop here. we actually found out for sure his idea that these crazy sounding things, that we live in space time, that ripples in space time are things we feel as gravity, that black holes are flooding out there in deep space, these things are true. we can measure them. we can observe them. whole knew kind of connection
but there is a also, sort of a deeper meaning to this, which is the way that you look out in the universe and understand these things, even when it seems completely impractical is exactly related to the way you look out at the universe and learn practical things how we interact. bill: i'm trying to figure out what you can do with this information and how you can teach us. what you said during the commercials, now you can listen to the history of space. is that right? >> yes. bill: if you listen to the history of space, what can you learn from it? >> basically all the ways you look into the world, we look at light or measure particles. feel win. look at space. that's what they did. physicists working on this experiment listened to ripples in space coming from two black
holes. you can hear things you can to the see. they released as much energy as all the stars in the universe, 50 times over for fraction after second. you could not see it only hear it. bill: if there was no big bang? >> if there was no big bang we'll find out. scientists would love nothing better to find out everything was wrong. then you have a new theory. you get a new try. bill: i gotcha. einstein won noble prize many, many years ago and would you revisit that. >> einstein won noble prize not for black holes or general relativity. he won for the photo electric effect which actually at the time was very theoretical idea. now principle hine video cameras, digital cameras, technology everywhere. bill: awesome stuff. thank you, cory. >> always a pleasure. it's a pleasure. what a great cots mix moment to be -- cosmic moment to be here. martha: cosmic moment to be here. i agree. white house race starting to
bill: einstein, he had something going on, didn't he? martha: the big brains, he had a big brain. bill: check out the brain. martha: i know. [laughter] have a good weekend, everybody. we'll see you back here on monday. ♪ ♪ jon: the republican candidates fan out across south carolina selling their conservative credentials and escalating attacks on one another, and it is getting especially nasty between donald trump and ted cruz. hello and happy friday. welcome to "happening now," i'm jon scott. heather: good morning to you, i'm in for jenna lee are -- as we look ahead to south carolina. south carolina, of course, is known for its rough and tumble politics and lately for hosting the first primary in the south with seven republican candidates stills in race, that state could