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we will leave it there. >> he gets the foreign policy from the shows. and this is a guy who is a great negotiator to iran, and this is dangerous times. and he is going to insult his way to the nomination. >> and give me a break. >> and now, a fiery debate tonight, and america's election continues are from the spin room, and join g ing us from greenville, south carolina, is mr. donald trump. >> thank you, bret. >> your sense of tonight? >> i really loved it. it is the toughest, because everybody was coming at me, but i thought that maybe it is my best debate. you know, supposedly i have won a lot of them, but we will see what happens, and i thought that tonight was the best debate, and because i have a big lead, everybody was coming at me, and
based on the polls, and drudge and everybody else, they say that i won it quite handily, but we will see. >> and there are some supporters out there who are wondering why you would be swinging down in their words to jeb bush in south carolina. >> well, you are right, it is swinging down. he doesn't have it, and i understand that, but he is taking, bret, $20 million and put on phony commercials on television, and including on fox in all fairness, but he has taken $20 million and he has a lot of money that he got from the special interests and donors and lobbyists and frankly who took total control over him, and taken $20 million and done the negative ads on me, an when they do, i swing down. >> and what about the tone of tonight, and the back and forth on calling others liars and kind of the sense of the debate? >> well, i think that it was a tough debate. you know, i mean, when people lie about you, you look at ted. ted cruz has put out a robo, and
he said that donald trump might -- and he did the same thing to carson might not run, and vote for ted cruz and i s d said, where does this come from? and two people called us about it and it is dirty politics, and in iowa when they did the voter violation notice which looks like it comes from the government and it is a total fraud and the fact is that i am a good crihristian, and when a y does the things that ted does and then holds up the bible, i don't like it, and i like to call the people out. >> and so, tonight, justice antonin scalia passed away and it is a big night when you look at the u.s. supreme court, and replace him, and ted cruz was just on the air saying that you would appoint liberal justices. >> well, just so you understand, if you look at ted, he put robert, and you know, i mean, he put john roberts on the supreme court, and he pushed for john robert
roberts. john roberts has been a disaster, and he had two chances to knock out obama care, and he didn't do it, and it was ted cruz and bush including jeb that was pushing him, and those guys, they pushed john robert, and when it came to a vote on obama care, john roberts did not terminate obama care not once but twice. so ted cruz pushed and worked with very hard to get john roberts on the supreme court, and when he needed the vote, the most important votes that we have had, he let everybody down, including the con ser servative he let all of us down, because he let obama care stay. that is really a disgrace, and ted cruz gave us john roberts. >> and so are you a k conservative? >> i'm a conservative, yes, but i am also a common sense conservative, and if you need eminent domain to build roadways and highways and hospitals and the keystone pipeline, and the wall between us and mexico, and
if you need the eminent domain, then you use it, a i'm a common sense conservative, absolutely. >> john kasich on the stage said that he was appalled by the back and forth and he said that he is running a positive campaign, and creeping up the polls, and came in second at new hampshire, and what do you think of him? >> well, he is a nice guy and got lucky with ohio. he struck oil in ohio. it is easier to be a governor in ohio when you are a good govern governor, and they fracked and struck oil and that is going to make et a lot easier, but john was talking about how he is an angel, but if you look at new hampshire which i won by a lot, and he did an ad, and at the end he knocked me which is a negative statement which turned out not to be so, but it is a radio ad, and i said, who was that? and they said kasich, but they are all politician, all talk, no action. >> when you get question ed abot
the specifics, and the specifics of social security, and the specifics on tax, some people say that you don't provide all of the details in your answers, that you get to make america great again at the end, how do you respond to the criticism? >> well shgs, i think that i am specific, and i answer ed a question about social security and even though the audience was stacked with donors or special interest interests, and because i am putting up my own money, you don't have many people in the room. that audience was so stacked with these people that control the politicians, but no, i think that i'm very specific. you look at the website and you will see the tax plans, and you will see the military plan, and vet plans for the vets where i have tremendous veteran support, because i am the one who is going to be helping the vets. you will see a lot of things. i'm very specific. >> and mr. trump, the path winning south carolina, i assume you would say, and then where? >> well, we go and we'll start immediately in nevada, and the
s.e.c., and we are doing well everywhere. we had a great couple of polls come out tonight, as you saw, and probably reported on, but we are doing well in south carolina, and i think that we will do great in nevada and we will do great in the s.e.c., but i think that is going to be next. >> mr. trump, thank you for the time. >> thank you, bret. >> we will get some reaction from charles krauthammer, and jeb bush is going to stop by, and we will talk to the rubio he headquarters as well.
looking live at the spin room as dr. ben carson is going to make his way with the familiar signs following the candidates around. talking with us now is former florida governor jeb bush. governor, thank you for being here. >> thank you, bret. >> your thoughts on tonight. >> well, i was pleased with my performance and the debate.
i was only person who went after donald trump the front-running candidate for the republican nomination who is not a conservative and i think that i exposed a lot of flaws in his candidacy. >> you think that you got under his skin? >> and putin -- of course, i did. and that is pretty clear. as i was going to shake his hand, he walked away, and is so i think that i am still under his skin, and that is not the point, but the point is to point out that i was not a serious candidate on the things that you would expect the president to do or to know or to have views on. he is not a conservative for sure, and the more that he talked, the more i think that south carolinians got the sense that he is not a conservative, and fact that he went after my brother and called him a liar is an effective political statement in south carolina. he is wrong about it, but apart from that, you know, disparaging a former president who's got a
high approval rating in this state is not smart of him. >> and earlier, governor john kasich said it is a demolition derby and he stayed on the o outside and his car is still going. what about that sense that people may not like the back and forth and where people are throwing the jabs in each other in the debate format? >> well, that is fine. look, here is the problem that donald trump is going to win the nomination if nobody goes after him. and if he win s ts the nominati bernie sanders or hillary clinton is going to be the president of the united states, and if that happens, that is an unmitigated disaster both in terms of appointments to the supreme court, and higher tax, and more spending, and the country is going to be in decline, decline, and so somebody has to take him on, and look, my adult life i have been a committed conservative and i do not want my party hijacked by somebody who is not a conservative and someone who is vulgar and divides rather than takes our philosophy, and takes our cause to every nook and cranny of the country to go win. that is what we need to do.
>> and isn't it fair to say, governor, in order to be the guy to take on donald trump, that you need to beat florida senator marco rubio in south carolina, a state that lines up for you? >> well, i think that what is important for me to give people a sense that i can lead. they can be a commander in chief. i will fix the veterans administration and rebuild the military and i will have a foreign policy that is true to the heritage, and not being the world's policemen, pu leading, and that is what the people in south carolina want, and it is not so much of who is winning or losing, and they want to know, do you the right stuff? the backbone and the heart for people, and the more i campaign here, the more confident i am. >> governor jeb bush, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, bret. >> let's go the one of south carolina supporters trey gowdy. and we know that senator rubio
has left the room, and your thoughts on the night? >> well, i thought that marco looked as presidential as most on the stage and more than most frankly. the answers were substantive, and he did not engage in the professional wrestling that we saw at certain points tonight. he was calm and composed and he gave great answers, and in some ways, he did a better way of defending george w. bush than his own brother did. i thought that he was fantastic. >> and some people focused on the last debate, and there was a lot of focus on marco rubio's performance and the finish, and did this erase that? >> i sure hope it did, bret. he is the most effective communicator that he has, and in some instances he is judged against his own standard. the first ten minutes of the last debate were not great by marco rubio's standards, but even at the end of that, his answers were substantive and tonight, he was flawless. so if you are interested in
somebody who is going to win in november, and someone who acts and looks presidential, you are going to like marco tonight. >> and congressman, do you speak spanish? >> i can say two es muy guavo? and what about the exchange with senator cruz? >> any time you want to point out people's inconsistencies it is fair game. and the fact that it is ted cruz's position on the immigration, and i'm frankly glad it has changed and the notion that he is the only pure person on the stage who has never changed the position on a single issue is balderdash, and at least marco has the courage to admit it. >> i want to, while i have you, in a different hat, are we going to be see inging a report from benghazi committee soon, and what's the outlook for that? >> well, yes, sir, bret.
we have a dozen more witness interviews to go, and zefl of them related to the department of defense, and as you know, when you do them the right way, and you do it the right way, you will hear new names that nobody has heard. this week, we got information from cia that no other committee in congress has bothered to ask for or received. so i will be criticized for the timeliness of it, but i will do it correct, and if it takes a month and a half, i will do it. >> and thank you for the dual-hat appearance e here. appreciate the time. >> yes, sir. have a good weekend. >> and the long promised debate analysis from charles krauthammer after the debate. don't go anywhere.
all right. thank god all of the time that it was george w. bush in the white house on 9/11 and not al gore. and i think that you can look back in hindsight and say a couple of things, but he kept us sa safe, and not only did he keep us safe, but no matter what you want to say about the weapons of mass destruction, saddam hussein was in violation of open resolution, and the world would not do anything about it, and george w. bush did what the world demand ed.
>> how did he keep us safe when the world trade center -- >> and now, let's get some reaction from the debate when charles kraut hhammer joins us night from san diego. charles. >> well, look, always the moments that happen in the debates that are often overlooked and end up to be the thing that people remember. what was sort of unusual about this debate is how incredibly sincere and spontaneous everyone was, because if any of them had strategies coming in, it fell apart instantly, and especially trump who was reacting as he himself said to you from all of the attacks left and right. but i think that he might have made a major stumble in terms of the substance when he accused george w. of not just making a mistake, but deliberately lying us into the war. and now, that is charge that you to go to the more radical democrats to hear. you don't hear it among the republicans, and you don't hear about it from the reasonable democrats, and thenning, i
thought that was sort of going to the place where where he may regret particularly since george w. is really popular in south carolina. but there is one exchange where trump was blaming 9/11 on george w. and jeb answered and a good answer, but not strong enough, and then it was rubio who stood in and said, no, that is the fault of president clinton who had a chance to kill osama bin laden and he didn't. that is a telling blow. overall, i thought that he came in number one, rubio, and bush second, and cruz third. and trump, i thought that he could have hurt himself, pu i am not sure, among the supporters, probably not, but there may be moments that he may regret, and kasich was sort of standing out there on the sidelines and played the game of being above it all, and it feeds the narrative and could help him, but hard to say. >> and charles, i would be
remiss if i didn't ask you tonight about the life and legacy of justice antonin scalia. >> look, he is the father, and will be remembered the father of originalism which is the most powerful attack on the 50-year history of the sort of the living constitution which is the idea of liberalism, i.e., we change the constitution on the court as we want, and pretending that we are reflecting the value of today. he came after it with a hard-line specific, and i thought that intellectually rigorous attack of originalism. no, you don't interpret it on what you think that the spirit of our age is, but you interpret it the only way that you actually have a handle an anchor on the reality of the constitution, and that is by attributing it to what the fo d founders intended. and that will live on for generations. >> charles krauthammer from san
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final thoughts from our panel tonight. david? >> i thought what was very interesting about this debate was how personal everybody got and the fact that at least as i'm looking at this there are many scenarios i could draw from this. i could draw from this that trump looked negative and had a meltdown on the other hand his supporters seem to like whatever he does. you could look at this as jeb taking on trump and that could look good for him. this could look like cruz taking on trump or this is rubio rising above it all and erasing the problem he had in new hampshire because this is the only debate until the south carolina vote next saturday, the question is what did this debate do to set the table for the final week of the campaign? did it help particular candidates rise or fall?
that's something we are not going the know until we see more real data. >> and the backdrop for all of this is the passing of justice scalia. so you would think that that would make people want someone more serious. the stakes are really high with this election and you want someone who is going to nominate a conservative justice and that could hurt trump. rubio had a strong night and jeb had a strong night especially if you measure him against past performances. he could drop the stump about his mother and father and focus more on what rubio was doing and that is really slood fieing his support for conservative principles. and cruz had a solid night. there was not a major moment for him but he had a solid night. >> cruz did well in framing the
debate about the seriousness given justice scalia's passing. he reframed it and said this is time to be serious. i thought jeb bush had a very good debate as well. the framing of the questions, the back and forth in the first 30 minutes were jeb bush versus donald trump. if you are donald trump supporter you are not considering jeb bush. he had a couple of good exchanges with trump. i'm not a trump guy. i thought he had the worst of his debates tonight. he had several times where he seemed not to know what he is talking about, which has happened before. and at one point, there are moments that don't stick out at first but jump out later. as one point trump was litigating a dispute with jeb bush he said i don't often agree
with marrow and i don't often agree with ted. but i think it was an interesting point in a broader sense. i think he's right. he doesn't often degree with marco or ted because he is not a conservative. tonight you had him defending imminent domain and praising planned parenthood and spinning conspiracy theories about george w. bush. this is donald trump. it is may be the case that the republicans vote for a pop list and nationalist and not a conservative. but if they want to know about donald trump, they got it tonight. >> ben carson is chugging along in south carolina does he hurt ted cruz like taking votes in iowa? >> south carolina is a little bit more complicated. because of the national security vote along the coast and the evangelical vote in the upstate.
i don't think that carson is much of a candidate any more. where those two candidates are trying to position themselves, carson is a nuisance but i just don't think he's enough of a factor at this point to be problematic. >> david druker for the carson people? >> david m. druker. >> and john kasich, can the positive guy go to the top? >> we'll see. he's all in with that strategy, always pleading for everybody to be decent. we'll see if he can pull it off. >> thank you for inning us into your home. that is it for the debate special. join me for special reports at 6:00 p.m. eastern and also on fox news sunday.
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