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before we come on the air and back next sunday morning at 11:00 and 5:00 eastern with the latest buzz. >> today, the jew dish administration of supreme court justice antonin scalia and the fierce political battle to replace him. >> i plan to fulfill my constitutional responsibility to nominate a successor if due time. >> again candidates spend to scalia's death as they duke it out in the fight for south carolina. >> we not giving up the united states supreme court for a generation by allowing rebound to make one more liberal appointee. >> i wish the president would thing not nominating somebody. >> after marco rubio's damaging debate performance last week. >> this notion that president obama doesn't know what he is doing is fate true.
>> there it is the millionized 25 second speech. >> if our next president is half the president ronald reagan was america is going to be greater than it has ever been. >> senator marco rubio on the vat i didn't to regain momentum. one of us ran against president obama. i was not that candidate. all the democratic candidates clash over who is building on the obama legacy, bernie sanders in first interview on fox news on sunday since starting the presidential campaign. >> plus, our sunday panel breaks down both races as bush 43 prepares to hit the campaign trail for his brother. >> he tried the mother the it did not work. >> if donald trump wants to go after my where, that will not be helpful. >> now, on fox news sunday. hello from fox news in washington. the in thaws break on saturday the death of supreme court justice antonin scalia.
the passing of this conservative giant leads a big hole on court and it sets off a fierce drug el whether president obama should name the successor or leave it to the next. we will ask marco rubio and bernie sanders in a few minutes. but, first, we will bring in chief legal correspondent, reporting from the supreme court. shannon? >> yes, he is described as larger than life and now it is true of antonin scalia both on and off the bench. he was a spirited jurist and did not apologize about his philosto the words of the constitution but ask, what did those words mean to the society that adopted them? that is the same thing i do with legislation. what do the words noon? what is the fair understanding of them? antonin scalia was then for being unmovable when he reached a decision and often penned fiery dissent on the losing end of an opinion.
dissenting from the decision to legalize gay marriage around the nation last year, scalia felt a majority ignored the will of millions of americans who voted at the state level to preserve the traditional definition of marriage. scalia wrote and i quote, "a system of government that makes the people subordinate to a committee of nine unelected lawyers does not deserve to be called a democrat accuracy." now, a potentially epic showdown over his replacement. >> i plan to fulfill my constitutional responsibilities to nominate a successor in due time. there will be plenty of time for me to do so and for the senate to fulfill its responsibility to give that person a fair hearing and a timely vote. >> the senate majority leader republican mcconnell believes that should be left to the next president. the partisan fight will play out the court will wrestle with the key decisions this term on affirmative action, abortion, the president's use of executive
power and the hhs contraceptive mandate. as if other cases if the court issue add 4-4 decision that just leaves the lower court ruling in affect. >> thank you. >> now, to the race for the white house, we are six days from south carolina's first-in-the-south primary, and last night, a smaller field of republicans held their final debate before the key contest. fox news senior national correspondent john roberts reported from greenville where scalia's death in the vacancy on the court was a big issue. john? >> good morning, chris. this morning, ben carson like in the last night debate of the old roman coliseum has sharp differences between the candidates on policy and personally, but the debate started off with a rare moment of agreement over the passing of supreme court justice antonin scalia. >> i believe the president should not move forward and i think we ought to let the next president of the united states decide who will run that
security. >> it is up to mcconnell to stop it. delay. delay. delay. >> we will not give up the united states supreme court for a generation by allowing president obama to make another liberal appointee. >> that was the end of getting along. from there it was a free for all, highlighted by an all out declaration of war between donald trump and jeb bush. >> donald trump was building a reality tv show, my brother was building a security apparatus to keep us safe. i'm proud of what he did. all the world trade center came down during your brother's term. remember that. >> you haved nerve to go after my mother. >> a big part of the strategy of jeb bush in south carolina is to be the only one to stand up to donald trump and try to punch him as hard as he can. we will find out if the worked a
week from now. >> john roberts reporting from south carolina. >> he and senator marco rubio trying to rebound from a shaky debate performance last week in new hampshire, senator marco rubio welcome back. >> thank you, thanks for having me back. >> you said last night that president obama basically doesn't have the right to appoint scalia's successor. take a look. >> i do not believe the president should appoint someone and it is not unprecedented and it has been 80 years since a lame duck president has appointed a security justice. >> senator, when you say lame duck he handle lame duck since re-elected in 2012 are you saying no president can appoint someone to the supreme court in their second term? >> i am not saying it is illegal but the senate said, and it is clear we are not moving forward until after this selection. the main reason is this president is no longer, he now
sketch if this was early in the second term that is one thing but he has less than a year left in office and the supreme court can function with eight justices and they not in year round and they can get through the term of the supreme court with all of the decisions and they done this before. and there will be an election in november and we will have a debate what kind of justice should replace scalia and the voters will vote for a new president and this be part of their calculation. we should wait until after vehicle before we move forward on confirming any justice of the supreme court the president can nominate would he wants but the senate is not going to act and that is clear. we will debate but we are not moving forward. >> but ronald reagan named kennedy to the supreme court in november of his 7th year and kennedy was actually confirmed in reagan's eighth year are you saying somehow that november is okay but three months later is over the line?
>> again, it doesn't matter what reagan did back in 1987, so obviously it was still earlier in the year and this is november or october, or september of last year and the president had a year left in office perhaps it would be a different discussion but he now has basically 11 months, 10 some of months left in office and we have an election coming up and there is a debate over what the supreme court justices should be like and voters will weigh in, in november, and elect a new president. the president should allow the next president to appoint the justice of the supreme court and if it me and i anticipate it will be i will look for someone in the mold of justice scalia while irreplaceable is a model jurist and one of the great jurists in american history. >> you got into quite a battle last nights again, with ted cruz over immigration. here is some of that. >> the lines are very, very clear. marco supports criticism for telephone million people here illegally. i oppose it. >> this is a disturbing pattern,
ted cruz hand telling lies, he lied about ben carson in iowa, he lied about planned parenthood, and he lied about marriage and now he mays things up. >> senator, what do you think of ted cruz? >> i like ted but if this campaign in last few weeks he has developed a disturb pattern of telling things not true with an ad pulling off the year lying about immigration and sanctuary difficults and he has lied about my position on marriage, my position on planned parenthood, we all saw what he does to ben carson and he acts like it was a pice summer campaign but these are paid calls made to his activists in iowa telling them to inform people that ben carson cornered out and donald trump made an allegation last night, i don't know if it is true, about those robocalls happening here now and he portrays himself as an immigration purist. he is strict on immigration and
it is not true. as far as people in this country illegally he argued passionately in favor of doing something for them like legalizing them and bringing them out of the shaddys. either he wasn't telling the truth then or he is not telling the truth now but to portray himself as the only conservative it is not true and that is being exposeed. >> senator, i want to ask you about closing statement which has attracted some attention and you said under president rubio we are going to be a country that said that marriage is between a man and a woman now, as you know the supreme court has ruled we the other way on that. are you calling for a constitutional amendment? >> no you have a president that said that marriage is between a man and a woman, and the decision to define marriage and to regulate it has always belonged to the states it does not belong at the federal level. the constitution already said that. the constitution is pretty clear, if it doesn't define a power to the federal government,
it doesn't belong to the federal government. >> wait. >> that is why the decision bit supreme court is wrong. >> but are you going do try to overturn the supreme court decision? that is the law. >> the president cannot overturn it. i believe we need more justices like scalia and any justice irrespective of their personal view on the issue of the definition of marriage who is someone who will apply the constitution as originally minute by the society that wrote those words at the time will tell you the issue of marriage regulating it and beginning it has never belonged to the federal government. that court decision should be overturned on the basis of the constitution. if you want to change the definition of maim go to your state legislature and have the debate there. i believe it should be between a man and a woman. i will engage in that debate but the elected representatives will decide it. it does not belong at the federal court and that should be overturned. a president cannot overturn a supreme court decision.
>> senator, as you know all too well a big story going into last night was your shaky performance in the debate in new hampshire. do you think that last night you undid the damage from that debate? should people would suddenly began to worry, is this the gay we want to put up in the general election against the democratic nominee have you eased those concerns? >> chris, if you followed it, you have, and you have been part of two of them, we have had nine debates and in 8.75 debate i have done well according to everyone. i had a bad answer to questions obviously because the voters of new hampshire opine that way and i took responsibility. it happened. i am outside my debate performances consistently and again last night, and here is the key, if i am the nominee i look forward to debating hillary clinton or bernie sanders and a point is i should be the nominee because i am as conservative as anyone running but i am the conservative that inwiths. i consistently beat hillary clinton in poll after poll and
last night with the patting of justice scalia we are reminded of how important this election is and how high the states are and why we must win. i unite the we republican pairs that grows it, that wins the election and begins the important work of undying the damage that president obama has done. >> and you your former mentor jeb bush are in a battle for third place in south carolina for who is the lead establishment candidate coming from south carolina. you say that he has no foreign policy experience but he has been firing back recently. tack a look. >> marco can said he has a record but what would it be? he goes to committee hearings? and talks to people. that is fine, that is a job of a senator. what is a record of accomplishment? >> senator, what about that argument? he ran a big state eight years and you attend hearings. >> first of all, that is not the state department of my pens, he has no foreign policy
experience, as he has gone on to say it consists of the fact that he lived overseas for a period of time when he was young and he invests overseas and led trade mission. foreign policy experience is doing as i $leading the effort to impose additional sanctions on hezbollah or helping lead the effort as i did sanctions on human rights efforts in venezuela and the act that leverages united states phone aid to prevent human trafficking and slavery an the world. foreign policy experience is doing as i does when isis popped up warning, quickly, while the president was saying it was j.v. team i was wanting about isis. about what was questioning to happen if libya, about the situation now in syria, and about the fact that vladimir putin would conduct airstrikes in the middle east, two weeks before he started doing those thing. that is foreign policy experience which i have achievement. general has no foreign policy experience. period. that is the most important job
of president. i am ready to be the commander in chief and the head of our foreign policy on my first day in office. >> we have a minute left, during the last week debate you supported extending the draft, signing up for the draft, two william said you have in problem with anyone serving in come budget as long as they can meet the standards but this week you seem to flip on that saying that you don't support women signing up for the draft or making them serve in combat. why the change, sir? >> it is not a change. selective service is not the draft. selective service is basically a list of people's names. second, because someone is drafted which i don't believe anyone will in the future, that is not the nature of modern warfare, that cut 19 my are drafted into combat. my point and this is something that ted cruz was putting out there not true, he said i was in favor of forcing women into combat drafting them and forcing them. i am the father of two girls of closer to combat age than anyone
else out there in fors of this being debated, my oldest daughter is 16, and i am not in favor of her being drafted and forced into combat. i am actually in favor of a volunteer armed forces. >> but, sir, why you have to clear this up do you believe she should or any woman have to sign up for selective service? >> i am open to selective service being oned up to women would want to be part of of it i have never said we will force women into draft and combat. if a woman wants to serve in come bat and can mean the minimum requirement i am open to that. by the way the minimum requirements for combat service apply to both genders. it is not just women that have to meet it but the men, too. the idea that we are going to draft women and force them interest combat, i never said that, it is not my position, and all i said is i believe
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>> the republican presidential candidate jeb bush last night at the debate reacting to the death of supreme court justice antonin scalia. now our sunday group, george will, david gregory, former moderator of "meet the press," and author of "how's your fame." >> and kristen soltis anderson conservative columnist and juan williams with fox news. george, your thoughts about antonin scalia and his legacy and the battle shaping up over whether president obama is going to be able to name his replacement? >> his theory the constitution should be. interested as the language was commonly understood at the time it was written and ratified was an attempt by conservatives to react against the free wheeling creation of nonconstitutional rights by the warren court and others is defense written for law students in the coming
generations judges which complicated the process of getting to a majority. the most important word in the supreme court words is "5," and times scalia was indifferent to that because he was writing for the ages. his most important contribution was creating an alternative conservative infrastructure, conservatives were shout out of the academy and&the federalist community, was on two campuses and now 300 campuses and 10,000 law students part of the complex and lasting scalia legacy. >> what about the question, then, of whether obviously he can name a successor but whether the senate shut act? >> well, the senate should not and certainly not. the president would need all 46 democratic senators plus 14
republican senators which is probably 14 more than he will get. beyond that --. >> to break the filibuster. >> if the republicans did not take the senate? 2014 knowing hear's disdain for precedence, harry reid would have again broken the rule by changing the riles in the middle of the session and blocked filibusters of the supreme court justices and the president with have gotten away with it. >> dave, it is good to you have here. >> david, the future of the supreme court is always a big issue in presidential elections but now we are talking about the current state of the supreme court play out in the midst of a presidential campaign. how much of an issue? >> this is huge. i agree with judge's takes on the politics in the senate but if you are president of the united states, why wouldn't you do what your respondibility is, which is to appoint a successor.
this is now ideological warfare of the highest order. i don't mean that even in a bad way but this is what ideology is really about, a contest offed whys in the country. if scalia stood for a more subtle role in the supreme court in american society, and if if fought for that in a losing way, it is all the more important because listen to chief justice problems say that he despairs about fact that the supreme court is so highly charged politically so if obama nominates someone and they get blocked the d base is going to be highly energized in the campaign. if you get someone through, the republican base is going to be highly energized. no matter what happens the court matters. and it will be a big issue. >> back in 2012 justice scalia sat down for an interview here on fox news sunday. we got a real insight into his judicial philosophy and his
personality. >> this means you are governed bit text when it is text-ism. that is relevant, not if the out come is desirable or not whether legislative history said this or that but the text of the statue. original-ism said when you consult the t you give it the meaning it has when adopted not a later modern meaning. >> if it was the constitution written in the 18th century you try to find what the words meant in the 18th century? all the best example being the death penalty. when the electric chair comes in, it is new what did they think? who knows? which was no electric chair. they imposed death by hanging so the onlies would say, well, is the electric chair more crucial and unusual than hanging? of course, it isn't because it was adopted to be less cruel. the same thing with lethal
injection. >> there is one supreme court decision reading a last your writings and speeches that disstresses you more than any other, and that is roe vs. wade the 1973 decision that said women have a constitutional right to abortion. you say it is a lie and, in fact, while generallying you say to accept long-standing precedence you will continue to
press to overturn roe. >> it is the clearest example of being a non-text-ism not thought that the american people ever voted to prohibit limitations on abortion. there is nothing in the constitution that said that. >> what about right to privacy the court found in 1965? >> there is no right to privacy in the discussion, no
generalized right. >> in griswold the court said. >> indeed and that is wrong. >> you wrote sandra day o'connor decision in abortion "cannot be taken justly." you called an by by rehnquist in 1988 "a shortsighted exercise in folly." in 2007 dissent you wrote on breyer, the shear apple sauce of the stat our interpretation should be obvious. are you cantankerous? >> i express myself vividly, and the criticisms are criticisms of opinions not of my colleague. i'm a good friend of steven briar, and of sandra day o'connor and if whoever else whose opinions i criticize. >> if they call your opinion apple sauce? >> fine association long as they can demonstrate that it is true. >> you are 76, will you time your retirement so a more
conservative president can appoint a like-minded justice? >> i would not like to be replaced by someone who sets about undoing everything i tried to do for 25 or division years. i should not have to tell you that. sure. unless you think i am a fool. >> the wisdom and wit of antonin scalia and kristen, the wisdom for all of the talk every four years about the future of the court, that usually it doesn't actually move votes in a presidential election but i pick up on what i was asking david, if there is a debate angry debate going on in the senate at time the president say here is my choice, republican senators blocking that choice, could this time be different? >> only 20 percent of members say they think the supreme court is too conservative. the fact this is a vacancy open court is made even more important and sends people to battle station because it is the
seat held by antonin scalia, the last two they concede were justices appointed by republican presidents who sided generally with the liberal side so president obama nominating someone to fill the seats was not going to markeddedly change the balance. the idea of president obama appointing a liberal justice to replace antonin scalia who you can see conservative lawsuits across the country have idolized him would upset balance of court and it will make it debate that
conservatives are engaged. >> but the flip side, if the president names someone as is his rice under the constitution account senate blocks it as is its right, you don't think liberals are going to be equally exercises? >> absolutely liberals will be exercised but the fact you have 37 percent of members who think the court is already too liberal in general conservatives are excited about having this battle moving into november.
>> juan, is the passing of a legal giant, his legacy on the court and the issue what will this play in the presidential campaign? >> when i think of justice scalia i think back to ronald reagan and ed meese his attorney general wanting to undo the work starting with warren in the 1950's issues like civil rights and abortion, and even gay rights, also talking about the con glue ensure of rights emerging and they in the coming from an activist court no one elected and they wanted to change it and scalia was the leader in that effort, as we saw in the interview, talking about text-ism and now going forward in the court, and here is the interesting part, a 4-4 court. a last things are not going to be decided here and we have key cases remaining affirmative
action, abortion, environmental regulations gist in the past week the court block president obama's effort on environmental regulation. the other thing is diversity, huge issue here. president obama obviously wanted this as a legacy issue and the leading candidates right now are two more women wood out of the 9th circuit and janet napolitano federal governor of arizona and hhs secretary but you -- no, homeland security and indian american for the first time and potentially the first hispanic man castiyyo so diversity will add to the anger on the left if the senate chooses to say, well, we are going to ignore this president. >> this is going to be the
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the democratic the democratic race for president has turned into a real battle. i spoke with senator bernie sanders for the first time since announcing his candidacy in may. >> senator, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> my pleasure. >> there is already a fierce argument after the passing of justice antonin scalia, democrats say the senate should confirm the successor and the republicans say that should be left to the next president. where do you stand?
>> i think we want a full contingent on the united states supreme court. we are dealing with enormously important issues and the constitution is pretty clear. president makes the agreement. the senate confirms. get on with that business were. >> you disagreed with justice scalia on a judicial basis not a personal basis on almost every issue. what do you think his legacy is? >> clearly he was a brilliant man, a very colorful man, a very outspoken man and i happen to respect people who are willing to come under public scrutiny and serve their country. you are right, we had very different points of view but i respect people who aring and prepared to serve their country. >> senator, let's turn to politics, the clinton campaign strategy now is that they have a firewall as the campaign towns west and south in states with much larger minority voters.
she is betting you by continue points according to the latest polls in nevada and 30 minutes in south carolina, how strong is the clinton firewall? >> when we began this campaign, chris, we were at 3% in the polls nationally and we were 50 points behind in iowa and 30 points behind in new hampshire but clearly the results in both those states turned out to be very different than when we -- where we were when we started. i think we will surprise people in nevada. i think we will vice people in south carolina, i am talking to you right now from denver, colorado, and we just had 18,000 people coming out to a rally and i think we are looking really good with a lost momentum for have tuesday, as well. >> when you were talking about those polls that was six months before the voting actually took place, we are talking a week or two before voting takes place in
south carolina and nevada and, also, the clintons have such long and deep ties to the african-american community why should a black voter prove you over hillary clinton? >> i think because if you look at my life's work, if you look at the agenda that we are bringing in terms of economics and criminal justice, this is an agenda that works for all machines, but especially for those who are hard of the hurt, hardest hit economically, we are talking about raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour over the next several years and we are talking about pay equity for women, we are talking about creating millions of decent-paying jobs, rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, and we are talking about focusing on the outrageously high rate of youth unemployment in the african-american community. we are talking about having the united states drawing the rest of the industrialized world
guaranteeing health care for all, making tuition colleges and university free is all of our kids regardless of income can get higher education they need. we are also tackling in a very aggressive way a broken criminal justice system in which we have more people in jail than any other major country on earth disproportionately african-american and latino. we need a lot of work to make sure we are providing education and jobs for our kids rather than jails and incarceration. >> senator, priorities usa action the super pac that is supporting hillary clinton has just announced it is going to spend $5 million now to help her rather than waiting until the general election. when you brought up that super pac during the debate this week she denied it was much of a relationship. watch. >> if you have a super pac like
president obama had which now say they want to support me, it is not my pac, if you take donations from wall street you cannot be independent. >> senator, how close are clinton's ties to the super pac and do you believe straight out that the millions she has gotten if campaign donations and also in speaking fees from wait, do you believe they have bought influence with secretary clinton? >> chris, obviously, i don't think there is any debate, this super pac is one in which the secretary has worked very, have hard to raise a lot of money. in my memory is correct, in the last reporting period they raised $25 million with $15 million coming from wall street she obviously is not the own candidate out there. many republicans are raising human amounts of money from wall
street, as well. every candidate said, all of that money coming in from wall street fossil fuel industry, it doesn't impact me. every candidate said that. the question we ask, is wall street and all the other billionaires and wealthy victims, are they really so dumb, why are they contributing so much money? i will let the american people make that decision. >> senator, one of the industrial points in your campaign and you said it over and over again, is that the american economic system is in your words "rigged." but i want to go over some numbers with you. in 1981, the top 1 percent paid 17 percent of all income taxes. now the top 1% mades 37%. question, if the wealthy have rigged the system, why they have done such a lousy job of it? >> whoa, chris, you are missing the major point here. that is what we have seen in
recent years is a huge transfer of wealth from the middle class to the top .1% whose percentage of wealth in america has doubled. we are talking trillions of dollars going from the middle class to the top boy 1%. >> but isn't that because of the economic policies of probe and of the federal reserve which put interest rates at basically zero? >> here's policies that have gone open for a long, long time, under republican administrations and d administrations and, now, are we better off today and we are losing 800,000 job as month? of course than we were losing jobs. there is a middle-class disappearing and today, as it happens, 58% of all income is going to the top 1% and that is a rigged economy to my mind.
>> senator, you and hillary clinton got into it in the last debate over universal health care, medicare for all as you call it, and you say that it is a good deal for the membership. all the family in the middle of the economy would pay $500 more in taxes and get a reduction in their health care costs of $5,000. >> senator, a health care expert who came up with the single-payer plan in vermont, he said that you are wrong, that, in fact, your plan comes up $1 trillion short and that 71% the families would be worse off under your plan than they are under the current system? can say whatever he were whats to say, at the love the assumptions he made are absolutely incorrect in his analysis.
we have 29 million without health insurance and we pay the highest pry force prescription drug drugs and millions have deductibles and copayments but we have spent three times more were that british, who cover all of their people, 50 percent more than the french and far more than the canadians. >> but he said it is exactly the problems with your plan are exactly the reason that your state of vermont had to drop single-payer? >> you quoted one guy. there was a piece in one of the newspapers today by some of the most, foremost experts on single-payer system who announced thorpe and his analysis. i respectfully disagree. >> finally, the republicans have held debates on all the net works but the democrats so far have refused to hold a debate on fox. you are coming on here tonight, we are very grateful and i hope you feel you have not been manage treated. would you be willing to participate in a democratic debate on fox news?
>> if we were clear to understand what the guidelines were and what the rules were and to make sure they were fair and the dnc was in favor i would have no objection. >> i assume you have seen this interview we just did, i hope you have seen the interview --. >> chris, i have seen this interview but i have seen other interviews. so, if i could have a guarantee and knew who the questioners were and if the framer work was fair i would have no objection. >> i take nasa a definite -- take that as a definite "maybe." thank you so were more coming on. aand then this is a hillary clinton in a debate last month asked what she would do as president to bring the country together. here is her answer. >> it is an important point the president made if his state of
the union and here is what i would say: i will go anywhere to meet with anyone at any time to find common ground. >> but, again, this week, hillary clinton turned down our ask to specific to us and the millions of you with watch this program just as she has every week if this campaign. we will keep trying for an interview and a debate. >> next we bring back our sunday group to discuss the republican debate least night and a democratic race that has turned tight. and tough.
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>> well, that's just a taste of the cotton thrust from last night's republican debate. we're back now with a panel. george, your reaction to the debate and to a different part of it which was donald trump's apparent search and destroy mission against jeb bush and his brother. >> the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back didn't break the camel's back. it was the critical cass and accumulation of straws. t last night i think he passed the frontier. the man who supported partial birth abortion and gun control and eminent domain and all the rest, last night adopted the most vicious lie of the hard left in this country, bush lied, people died. no one doubts that bush was wrong and all that is about the presence of weapons of mass destruction. but to say that bush lied and
derivatively, colin powell loyd and everyone else in the administration, will not go down well in south carolina which rescued george w. bush in 2000 after he lost badly in the new hampshire primary to john mccain. so i think that if there is such a thing as a critical mass, he's approaching it. >> david, i was surprised because it seemed so gratuitous to go after -- i know george w. bush is going to be on the campaign trail with his broth tomorrow. it seemed odd that he would think this was the time to relitigate the iraq war, given the fact that he went into that debate with about a 15-point lead. do you think it changed the dynamic of the race? >> i think there's a combination of the vulgarity and torching of former president bush. marco rubio had the best response. there should be a debate about the execution of the war or the bay sus of the war in iraq. you've got 58,000 veterans in
south carolina. w. bush, former president bush is popular down there. yeah, i don't see the wisdom of it. i allows jeb bush the opportunity to fight for the establishment. he's going after trump in an effective way. and there's still cruz making a strong ideological case on trump and with evangelical support down there, i think he's got some game. >> can you explain the wisdom of trump going after george w. bush the way he did last night in. >> donald trump's appeal is that he will be something completely different. his appeal is not that he's a good republican that does good republican things. his appeal is to a lot of voters who may call themselves republican but the options they've been offered in previous years just didn't throw them. so donald trump, despite the fact that he's doing things that any other candidate would be written off, counted out of this race. because you have a section of people who call themselves
republicans but they don't like the republican party, that is who donald trump is appealing to open that's why in poll after poll he doesn't do particularly well among very conservative voters. he does well against those who are moderate, less attached to the partisanship and a more emotional attachment to wanting the to see someone blow up. >> after bernie sander's landslide in new hampshire, do we need to stop thinking of him as a potential spoiler who is going to make things difficult for hillary clinton and push her further to theest will and do we need to start thinking of him as a potential democratic nominee in. >> the trouble he has is he's not able to put together the full obama coalition. because he does not have the same level of strength with the african american community, with the latino community in the way that barack obama did. that said, he's got such strength among the young
democratic voters, you have to wonder if hillary clinton is wondering if this is going to hurt. they're feeling the bern. does she decide that they decide to stay home in november if she's the democrats nominee. >> whether sanders ends up with the nomination or not, what does it say about the state of the democratic party at this point and what do you think it says about hillary clinton's strengths and weaknesses as a candidate? >> let's start with hillary clinton. i think it's clear that she's not an inspiring candidate. he doesn't inspire people out on the trail. and people see her experience, her connection with not only the clinton administration but even the state department as secretary of state, not as a plus in many cases but as evident that she's part of the bli establishment. they don't see authenticity coming from hillary clinton.
hillary clinton is running on the basis of her experience and the fact that she can win, she doesn't think that bernie can win. but bernie may excite you, young america. be if you're worried about the republicans controlling the white house, the senate and the house, then you've got to look at me because i can win this race. that's hillary clinton's case. so when it comes to the democratic party, to answer your first question, chris, then the democratic party, which is totally aligned with hillary clinton, everybody, congressional black caucus -- >> all the super delegates. >> she's got the super delegate as we think about that. you come back to the idea that the democratic party risk losing touch with the base. >> i wanted to pick up on that with you, george. it becomes clear that both
races, both on the republican side and the democrat side are going to continue for a while, well into march and maybe into april. who's running more of a risk, the republicans who seem to be getting pushed further and further to the right in this debate or the democrats who clearry with sanders are being pushed further and further to the left? >> they're both in jeopardy. bernie sanders message, america is a nightmare of increase in equality and rampant in justice. that's a hard sell it seems to me. on the republican side we know that if the republican nominee gets mitt romney's portion of the non-white electorate, 17%, he will need 65% of the white electorate which no one has done since ronald reagan in 1984 carrying 49 states. it's going to make it very difficult after this rhetoric
about immigration to do that. >> 20 seconds, david. final thought. >> i think hillary clinton is starting to do a better job against sanders. she's making him out to be a one-issue candidate. more people are paying attention to what his policies will do to the democratic party. the country as a whole, there's more at the moment. >> new hampshire was a big loss for her. >> no doubt. >> see you next sunday. we'll be right back. at ally bank, no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like grandkids equals free tech support. oh, look at you, so great to see you! none of this works. come on in. only glucerna has carbsteady, diabetes, steady is exciting.
colleague bret baier. that's it for today. happy valentine's day. have a great week and we'll see you next fox news sunday. looking live now at the u.s. capitol building in washington, d.c. as we anticipate an epic battle brewing. set into motion by the death of an american legal icon, supreme court justice antonin scalia. and now the white house is weigh in on whether the president will indeed pick a nominee while the senate is in recess. justice scalia was known as an unwavering conservative voice on the supreme court. by now you may know he passed away unexpectedly this weekend at a private rez dmens texas where he was staying on a hunting trip. the county judge confirming to fox news now the death sert will read scalia died of natural causes and that an