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me, the geniuses who make breakfast the best in the state here at lizards stick it, tomorrow's special, liver pudding. fantastic. finally an organ made to be a pudding. who would have thought of of that? the results, keep it right here after the short show coming your way. the basilica of the national shrine about an hour away from the body of antonin scalia which has been in repose at supreme court being moved for the formal funeral. will be going to that at the top of the next hour. in the meantime, focussing on all the mad dash on the candidates for the south carolina primary. and the democratic caucuses in in nevada. a reminder that we've got marco rubio, john kasich, ben carson, among others, to talk about how important this day is for them, and where it goes for all the
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campaigns from here. we begin with connell mcshane and clover in south carolina, hey connell. >> you know, they always tell us on a day like this that it comes down to turnout. the turnout is expected to be quite large today. in this state. last time around in 2012, they set a record with over 600,000 republican votes being cast. newt gingrich won at this, that time, this time, donald trump is certainly the front runner. the question coming in has not been whether or not he's ahead, but how large is his maurge? one poll had it down to five points late in the week, but the other polls including the fox news poll have trump up double digits heading into today's primary day. the campaigns of both ted cruz and marco rubio have been working hard the last couple of days, trying to tighten that margin as much as they possibly can, maybe to change the narrative as this campaign moves from south carolina to nevada next week. now as for trump, we were at a
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rally that he held in charleston lightweight noop. his last before the primary, and he was telling supporters at that rally that they would never forget that night. they would never forget having seen him the night before they'd voted for him, he told them they could be part of history. now today, the voters are out, the polls are open, and with the possibility that more than 20% of this electorate, neil, has been undecided heading into today's primary, surprises certainly are not out of the question. we'll be on the move, meantime from here in clover, south carolina, to the trump headquarters in spartanburg for tonight's coverage on the fox business nitwork, back to you. >> thank you very much. there is something else going on nevada today, and that is a democratic caucus. keep in mind, these caucuses are getting increasingly important. and they don't necessarily jive when it comes to the popular vote versus the delegate vote. didn't hillary clinton find that out the hard way eight years ago when she won the caucuses there, but it ened up barack obama won the delegates there. right now it's a situation where
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bernie sanders and hillary clinton are dead even, at least in the latest polls. but this time, ben and jerry's cofounder hopes to see his candidate, bernie sanders finish out on top not only on the vote, but the caucuses there, but all the matly in the rewarding the delegates there. good to have you, how you doing? >> good to have you. might be you are the midas touch for senator sanders, since you first started talking to us, his poll in your opinions keep going up, and i don't know how many ice cream sales you've seen with a special flavor for him move, but the bottom line is, he's doing well. i guess you've got to push the brand of flavor. >> bernie is doing well despite the opposition of the entire democratic establishment.
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>> that is true. particularly the clinton camp, but it almost seems to be benefitting him. >> well, the reality is that he is connecting directly with the people. you know, it is beginning around the democratic establishments, i was amazed that you have all these democratic party leaders, and all these democratic party officials, all virtually all endorsing hillary, and despite that, he won by a landslide in new hampshire, and, you know -- now we're hearing national polls, but he's neck and neck with hillary. and it's because he connects directly with people. >> do you think they know what he really wants to do? and i talked to a lot of -- particularly passionate young supporters in iowa, new hampshire, and in both states, they didn't seem to go way down on the particulars of the policies, just that they were
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feeling the bern, but also he's affecting taxes not only rich, but the middle class. >> they understand that this is a person who represents their interests. that he represents the interests of average working americans -- >> but they didn't know about that middle class tax hike thing, i'm telling you, they didn't know it. >> well, you know, people refer to it as a tax hike, what it is is the middle class money savings. >> that's creative, but it's not. you're right to say the candidate points out, you're going to get more bang for the buck when i talk about government benefits and alike, but it is in fact a tax. >> the huge thing that he's doing is that he's closing all the tax loopholes that have been paid for by corporations and the ultra wealthy. and that is, that is what ends up funding his free college program and what ends up funding
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so many of his education programs. >> ben, it's always a pleasure. and i like the fact that you're a pragmatic businessman, you're perfectly happy with republicans who love all your other ice cream flavors as well. their money is just as good, so thank you very much. >> ice cream for all. it is the great uniter. >> it is that. don't stop making chunky monkey. all right. we have a lot more here, including one more marco rubio. a lot of pressure on him to eventually just win a state outright, but the momentum, he argued with me just a short time ago is there in south carolina. >> donald's been the consistent leader in the polls here, i think that's going to continue to be the case as long as there's six people in the race. there has to be to come a point where it narrow's down. i think south carolina will be a part of it. and i think voters today as they go to the polls in south carolina, maybe they have picked a candidate, but the candidate is not doing very well and they'll decide, i want my vote to count because i realize that every vote that goes to a
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candidate, that may not be in the race in a few days is a vote that's going to someone in donald trump who's going in first place or whatever. i think that's part of the calculation voters are going through right now. they're trying to make up their meends and headed to the polls in south carolina. and i hope they'll consider us. and there's a lot of information about my campaign online at marco i encourage them before they go out, if they're watching the program, go on my website, marco, check out what we're about. i hope we can earn your vote. >> who came up with may i ask you? >> it was hard, we thought it made sense. >> i thought you were going to go to speaking of which, senator, a lot of staff have been warning south carolina voters beware primary tricks by cruz. what are they talking about? >> well, just now a pattern of behavior. usually i don't focus on those things. when they're making things up about my record, that's problematic, and then just yesterday, we see his reports now of the robocalls about the
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confederate flag, mostly targeting donald trump, the state that went through a painful debate over that issue to kind of bring that up again in a robocall on the day before the election. those are the kinds of things that obviously concern people. you know, misinformation and so forth. the good news is with programs like this and social media quickly we can bat those things down. but people should be aware, we're dealing with a campaign and ted cruz that a couple weeks ago in iowa started telling people through a robocall that ben carson dropped out of the race. so we just want to be aware. make sure voters are going in fully aware of what their choices are. >> it comes at a time maybe given the prominence of the polls, whether it's other candidates, i have former i.c.e. officials now who are saying that your push for enforcement on the border hasn't been consistent, you were part of that gang of eight, that you were not making it a priority when they questioned chris crane who ran this council group of officers said that not one of the changes we suggested was made available for senator rubio
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introduced it. that he tried and failed with you, repeatedly, that your heart wasn't in it. >> yeah, number one, that's not true. and he's not a i.c.e. official, he's the head of a union. and it's reported on a website that's not a credible source. it's the same website, neil that said you gave me the questions to the debate. one of the man -- >> this was a fence. you don't give it any credence, for his remarks kree dance. >> we don't credential them for the events. this is the same website that reported that fox news and you guys and your debate give me the questions to the debate so i could prepare. you know that's not true. i literally don't even talk about the things they report because they're basically conspiracy theories and oftentimes manipulated, and that individual is not an i.c.e. official, he's the head of a union -- >> he's a head of the -- all right. but i do want -- it comes back again, i know you talk about ted cruz and obviously donald trump and how honest and reliable it is. that has come back to hit you as well, senator, on this issue and what you were doing.
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you said that look, it just didn't work, and also really you had to move on. the american support wasn't there, but that it made it look like you were using it now. what did you take away from that? >> yeah, but here's the thing. first of all at the time, let's go back to 2013, harry reid was in charge of the senate, democrats controlled the senate, and they were going to move forward on an immigration reform. so what i wanted to do was make whatever came out of the senate, as conservative as possible. it still didn't go straight to the president, whatever came out of the senate had to go to the house. the house was controlled by conservative republicans. so my goal was to produce the most conservative thing possible out of the senate, have the house take that up and make it even better, and then come together as republicans and say to the president, this is what we're willing to do. take it or leave it on the issue of immigration. it didn't work out that way because the house decided never to take it up. when i'm president, we're not doing that bill. the senate bill is not what we're going to do when i'm president. and i've clear. even during the process of the debate during the senate, i repeatedly said this bill we're about to pass on the senate is
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not strong enough. we have to make it even stronger and that's what i hope the houses will do. it's not what i'm saying now, it's what i said back in 20d 13 as well. when i'm president, we're not doing anything until we secure the border first. i've been clear. we're going to secure the border first, e verify and entry exit tracking system. we're going to repeal the president's con constitutional executive orders. we're also going to have 20,000 border agents. and when we put all -- we're going to finish the 700 mile wall and fencing. and once that's in place and that's working, then we'll see what the american people are willing to do. i can tell you if you're a criminal, you can't stay. and i can tell you the sanctuary cities will lose federal money. >> all right. that wall, who's going to build it? >> we are. the united states is. and in fact, some of that has been required by law for a long time, and congress went in and took the money out. >> i think donald trump said the mexicans would -- donald trump says the mexicans will build it. >> yeah, it sounds good, but they're not going to pay a wall.
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and it's a national security issue for america. >> what did you make then of -- >> bottom line is -- >> on that, it comes a at time when the pope criticized donald trump on this whole wall thing, questioned whether he was a real christian, now many argue that the vatican meant those remarks were originally italian and misinterpreted. still the idea that donald trump was single out, not your european lead rs for the passive approach to will the refugees there. do you think the pope does have a bias against american politicians? >> no, again, i wasn't there, i don't know the context of the question. it sounds like he was asked a question. likes he brought it up proactively. i don't think he ever said the name donald trump, but look, i think the pope is a religious and spiritual leader. he's the head of the roman catholic church when i'm a member of which i represent and followed his theological advice. i have an obligation to the american people to keep us safe.
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we're a sovereign country, we're far more generous than mexico, the country where he made those statements in. but we have a right to control who comes here and how they come and what they come here. the vatican controls who comes into the vatican. and so on these issues of public policy. his job is to look out for museum humanity. we are humane as any nation on earth on immigration. a million people a year permanently immigrate to the united states legally. in other country comes close, but we have to right to select who comes in, when they come in, and how they come in. when i'm president we're going to do it better than we've ever done that. >> donald trump also talked about boycotting apple products because of are the dust up over the phone. how do you feel about that? >> i mean, these boycotts for the most part don't work well. people aren't going to stop buying iphones, they're going to continue to buy products and they're all foreign companies. and if you're not going to buy an apple phone, you're buying one from samsung or somebody else who manufactures somewhere
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else is not an american company. apple needs to follow the court order. they want to appeal it, they have a right to do so. if there is a court order, apple will have to follow it. they're a famous brand, but they're not above the law. it is a difficult issue. apple ha as point when it says if it creates a back door to that encrypted a vice. it's a back door they could find. and by the way, nothing will prevent americans from going to encrypt the software designed in other countries that are not subject to our laws. it's not as easy as people make it found. encryption has become a real problem in terms of terrorist using it to deny us information. but at the same time, it's important to note that how someone may feel about encryption, if apple is under court order, they will have to follow that court order, they are not above the law. >> its been a couple of weeks since that debate and new hampshire and you and chris christie, he has since dropped out of the race, have you folked talked since then? >> yeah, we have.
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we've traded voice mails. we had a budget hearing, he's been wrapped up, he left me one and i think we're going to talk today or tomorrow, i have no animosity towards chris, i like him very much personally. he was a competitor in that campaign. he was trying to get an advantage and move ahead. i understand that, it's not personal. and i represent him and respect the job he's done and i think he has a future in public service. i think we haven't heard the last of chris christie. and so, i know he's got a job to finish there in new jersey. >> you're not bitter about the whole debate and how that went? >> no. no, he was trying to win an election, and that's what people do. >> all right. very quickly, antonin scalia and his funeral today. as you know, the republican leadership in the senate wants to wait until a new president comes in to deal wl shiz replacement. how do you feel about that? >> well, i agree with that, we should not be appointing anyone until a new president is in place? we're going to have an election in november, and this is going to be an issue in the election. what should justices for the
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supreme court be like? what should their views be in terms of the proper role of the court? >> and we're going to have a debate. to have confirmation -- >> confirmation. >> what's the point? i don't think the think -- well -- >> you, senator -- >> wait a minute, i would not. >> and the final year -- >> i would respect the process. >> really? but you'd be president? >> i understand, but we have an 80 year tradition of not moving forward in the last year of a presidency on a permanent appointment of the court which is what this is. >> we did with ronald reagan. >> no, reagan appointed, i believe it was justice kennedy in the seventh year of his presidency, confirmed in the eighth because it takes time to confirm. barack obama -- bottom line is barack obama's not accountable to the electorate anymore. you can't reverse this decision. once a justice is put in place, you can't reverse it. i know what kind of justice barack obama is going to appoint. it'll be nothing like antonin scalia. and we need more people on the
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court that have the views that we did. the constitution is not a living and breathing document. >> and have them reject that nominee. why not even -- >> well, we are rejecting it. >> that's rejecting it. in essence, we are rejecting anything he's going to do. bottom line is this, i do not trust this president on the issue of appointing a supreme court justice because i believe this president doesn't necessarily respect the constitution. he violates had habitually, if he could, he would ignore the second amendment, he tries to ignore the first amendment. doesn't believe at all in the tenth amendment. this president has habitually ignore and violated the constitution of the united states. he's going to appoint the supreme court. here's how i reject it. we're not moving forward. >> you don't think -- if they don't like that nominee. they're free to reject that nominee. >> you know what, it doesn't matter, at the end daft day, the stakes are too high. the very balance of the constitution and the court is at
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stake. this is going to cost us points in a poll and election, i'm willing to pay that price because it's too important. there's nothing more important to our republic than the constitution of the united states. and we are not going to allow barack obama on his way out the door to take one more shot at undermining the constitution, it's very simple. we are not moving forward on any nomination from this president. there will be a new president then the process will move forward and the world will survive and the sky will not fall and the supreme court will continue to meet an issue ruling. they can function with eight justices, number nine is not in the constitution. the congress could change that tomorrow if they wanted to. >> huh. senator rooib owe, thank you very much. >> thanks, neil. all right. it is, you know, take no prisoners position on this, but i should stress here that the chairman of the judiciary committee really has not actually made up his mind as to whether it's a good or bad idea to go forward with hearings. so we'll see how that all sorts out. in the meantime, did you hear about the meeting we're told
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all right. i think they're calling this the closet summit. maybe because, i'm told, it occurred in a closet. ben carson and ted cruz finally settling their differences in airing out the problems with what happened in iowa when the carson folks were claiming that the cruz folks were all too happy to leap on a report out in the press that night that carson was stepping out of the race. turned out not to be the case. a lot think maybe it hurt carson and could have gotten better numbers. who knows? i want to know what happened with this closet summit if there even was in the closet. dr. ben carson with us now. doctor, good to have you. >> good to be back, neil. >> so you had this meeting -- >> it was an awfully big closet if it was. there was a table. there was a table and there were chairs. you know, so, call it what you will, but at any rate, we did have a meeting. i didn't realize that it was going to be publicized, but that
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is what it is. and you know, i can tell you what i said, i'm not going to say what ted said. you know, you can talk to him about that. but i was just, i was a little miffed that people on his campaign would think that after months and months of very hard work and having hundreds of volunteers and hundreds of college students sacrifice their time, one of them even gave his life, that ten minutes before the caucus, i would just walk away and say, you guys are on your own, forget about it. i mean, give me a break. >> you that, you let all this out, i know the last time you're with me, to follow up on and take action on it. i think you meant punishing people, firing people, what happened? >> i would just say that you know, when i find things that
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are wrong, such as i did in my own campaign a few months ago, we made changes. you don't just accept it. and say, well, it's okay. and you know, that's what responsible people do. >> did you tell senator cruz, did you tell senator cruz that? >> of course. >> and he say he would, did he say he would? >> well, like i said, i'll let you talk to him. you have access to him. he can tell you what he said because -- >> he hasn't returned our calls, but hopefully -- but it sounds like nothing got solved here. nothing got solved. >> well, you know, there is forgiveness. and as you've noticed, i haven't been talking about it, its been other people talking about it. i'm ready to move on. it's water under the bridge, we have such important things to do. and such important issues that affect our country. and that affect the next generations, and if we keep getting sidetracked into these little things, we won't get to those and people won't get a
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chance to make a decision based on intelligent ideals and ways to solve the problem. >> you know, off the record to a number of cruz people, doctor, say that you were beginning to sound like a whiner on this issue. like you were kblaning. how do you answer that? >> i would say they can go jump in a lake. the fact of the matter is you know there are always people whop are going to be critical no matter what you do. too soft. too hard. you're whatever, it's like goldy locks, this one's too hot and cold. forget about that stuff. i don't worry about that stuff. i worry about how are we going to save this country. that's what the people of america have got to start thinking about. >> you need to do well in south carolina, sir, in other words, certainly no trouble raising money. supports are passionate. for some reason it doesn't jive with votes and you can't keep going on this way. >> yes, you can. you can keep going on.
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because over the course of time, things become apparent. and what frequently happens is the good people have already dropped out by the time you get to the point where you have to decide between the lesser of evils. we don't want to be in that situation. we just keep fighting, we keep putting out the information. at some point, people actually begin to get very interested in the actual policies and the solutions and not just the shiny object in the room. >> so no matter how you perform in south carolina today, you're still in this race? >> i will be going on to nevada, please take note, everyone, item going to nevada next. i'm not going to get a new change of clothes. >> got that. got that. that was trouble last time. dr. carson, very good talking to you. >> all right, you too, neil. thanks. >> and we do have ted cruz's people, we hope to hear back.
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you might have heard the doctor refer to the nevada caucuses. republicans hold their separately a week from now. so it is a little different, i grant you, but that is a little different. in the meantime, emanuel cleaver is with us. he is supporting hillary clinton. joins us from ft. lauderdale, and you know, it comes at a time, as i'm sure you've heard, congressman, that bernie sanders, to hear the hillary clinton people tell it, isn't really galvanizing african americans, and in states where there's a higher african american vote like south carolina, or what have you, it will show. do you agree? bernie sanders says i've done more to help minorities and more to lift them up than hillary clinton ever has. >> like senator sanders, i worked with him in the house. he's a good guy. there are 44 members of the congressional black caucus, only
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one is supporting him. and that's because -- it's not because he's evil or he's anti-african american or he votes errantly on legislation that's significant, but simply because over the 26 years he's been in congress, he's been skeshlly silent. he'll vote on something, but all the things that he's pledging today and working with black lives matters, all of that kind of thing, none of of that was manifested during the 26 years in the house, and the truth of the matter is, most of us have had relationships with the christian tons that go back 25, 30 years -- >> but congressman, i believe when hillary clinton started out, she was a republican. she worked with goldwater. >> absolutely. >> available today showing bernie sanders protesting on the streets of the capital for civil rights. i'm just saying that, it's a bit
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rich, isn't it to say that it's not in his dna as much as hers? >> no, no, no, let me make sure that i don't leave the impression that i'm saying he is anti-civil rights and that kind of thing, i think he has been. what i'm saying is he's never been involved in any kind of leadership, and frankly, the civil rights veterans, i'm on the edge of that group, but people like john lewis or joseph lowrie, they'll tell you they've never even seen senator sanders at any of the civil rights demonstrations and so forth. not saying he was not there -- >> no, i understand, but you could still support him if bernie sanders were your party's nominee, leads the national polls now, even in nevada, but you could in the end support him? >> very likely. i think it's all going to depend on how the campaign is played
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out. i mean if it turns -- i don't believe in nastiness, and so it's seemingly moving towards nasty, and if that continues, i think it's going to be damaging not only to bernie sanders if he gets a nomination, but it won't matter who gets it, he or hillary clinton. >> real quickly, we have the scalia funeral mass today as you know web the president isn't attending. some say that's bad forum, what do you say? >> i don't know the president's schedule. i've heard the controversy. it would be good if he could be there. i think this whole thing has been a mess because i think that ryan mcconnell obama from the very beginning should have said look, until the funeral is over, we're not going to talk about who we're going to fight against or who we're going to nomination. i think it would have been respectful. >> congressman, thank you very much for taking the time. we appreciate it.
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>> good to be with you. >> all right. we were talking about justice scalia funeral mass that is a half hour away, 15 minutes from his body being taken from the supreme court and moved to the basilica of the national shrine. we're there, soon. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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all right. it might be the south carolina primary, but you'll find john kasich a man who finishes strong number two in the new hampshire, in vermont, one of the governors upstate that are a part of super tuesday. the big primary run--up on tuesday, march 1st. governor kasich, good toe have you. >> always a pleasure. in vermont. >> it is a beautiful state at that. home of bernie sanders. >> and ethan allen. >> there you go. >> let me ask you a little bit about this antonin scalia funeral today if i can.
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much has been made of the president not going. emanuel cleaver was saying it probably would've been better if he did. is it worth the dust--up? there's not consistent protocol. >> i was curious, i thought about it, neil, i said to the people with me, it's interesting he's not going. there's no precedence for that. you know, that's all all i'd have to say. if i were president, i'd probably go, the man can go on and on and on, and for some reason they chose, i don't explain it, i think i would go. in ohio, if my chief justice or any of the justices of my board died. i go to, i went to the funeral of a guy that was seated for congress and the family was very moved. i went to former governor jack gill began's funeral and the family was touched. if it brings solace to the family, then you ought to do it. you can't go to everything,
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neil, you can't go to everything, but some of the things stand out, right? >> what do you think of this idea that at least the senate leadership, mitch mcconnell wants to hold off on confirmation hearings of any sort until the new president comes in. >> you know, you know what i said about it, my feeling was that the congress is so divided, why? you get obamacare passed with not a republican vote. you got a situation where he uses all these executive orders and now he thinks he's going to get something confirmed. it's a political game now for him. and you know, my feeling is, how about a super for the american people. you elect a president, then you know the direction of the court. that's what i call a two-fer. >> would you want the same done to you? last year up there -- >> here's the thing, that's a good question, but here's the thing, if i ended up as president with a congress as badly divided as this one is. i wouldn't send anybody up, but i'm not going to have that situation because i've spent my
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whole lifetime being able to build bridges, not walls. >> no, you're also very emotional about -- you relate to people on a a very natural human level, and of course everyone, that became viral, this video and exchange you had with a young man who was dealing with personal hardships and you hugged him. touched a lot of people, and i'm just wondering, republicans get a rep, fairly or not, governor, for not doing enough of that. what do you think of that? >> well, these are true unto yourself. you know, this is not the first time. i want you to know that this has happening on the trail for many, many, many months. people have come to me about their problems with epilepsy. one man from new york who had a son who had cancer, he was sort of blaming himself for not alerting his son about the dangers of different diseases, and giving me a big hug and he's trying, i explained to him, it's
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not your fault. and he told somebody later that he had a ton of weight lifted off his shoulders. i don't understand it. i deeply appreciate the fact that people feel safe when they come to these events. i had a father and son come and visit me last night in south carolina, and he visited with one other candidate, and he came to talk to me about his son's disease, and look, i don't want to get into this, neil, this is just self-serving. i'm going to reach out and do the best i can as a human being. and frankly, that's why you and i have a connection. because we connect at the human level, not on the god darn, we can talk about all day about the debt, deficit, ratings, laugh, and chuckle, but you're and my relationship is not related to issues, it's related to the way that you and i have connected through our hearts. >> and you think of that justice scalia, got along famously with justice ginsburg, particularly far apart, but good friends. >> but neil, here's the interesting thing, and i think i told you this in new hampshire
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when we talked, a lot of people that are lonely. and the strength of our country doesn't, doesn't come from some guy riding in on a white stallion to solve all of our problems. the answer is the most of our spirit lies in us, in our communities, and our families, and, you know, the sons of columbus and the club and all of us working together a little bit. >> all right, governor, thank you. we all breathe the same air, right. at our core. >> that's right, sir. god bless you and god bless the scalia family. got to be a tough day. >> all right governor. thank you. we're looking inside the basilica right now, national shh rin of immaculate conception, ted cruz is there, of course he was a clerk for justice rehnquist some many years back. close friend of scalia. he is there outside. we have our shannon bream, that's a big who's who cast in there, shannon. >> reporter: it is. and several of the justices have already arrived. the first we spotted was justice
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clarence thomas, he is going to be a reader today during the ceremony. he was visibly emotional. he and his wife jenny both yesterday when the casket was brought into the great hall there prp they were very close. and as we talked about these nine are bound together in a way that we can't understand. whether they disagree on things, i'd logically, they're very close friends. we've talked about the relationship between justice scalia and justice ginsburg. very much opposed on have many key opinions, but still very, very close friends. and really, i don't think anybody can understand what it's like to serve on the court lifetime appointment through controversy after controversy, they have each other. and so today the remaining eight will gather here. we have seen justice sotomayor and kagan as well. justice alito and wife are arriving now. vice president dick cheney are inside. they will be the representatives if for the white house today. they've had a close relationship with the scalia family for a long time. he of course, when he was a
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senator then, like vice president biden voted in favor of justice scalia who was unanimously approved by the senate. something we don't expect to see this time around whenever a nomination is actually placed before the senate. it seems like something of a bygone era that supreme court justice nominee would get a unanimous vote. that's what happened with justice scalia and others back in the day. a little more contentious now, today it's about remembering justice scalia and his regular ugly si. interestingly enough, a letter surfaced, a local pastor actually in richmond, virginia, released a letter that was sent to him by justice scalia after the pastor preached the funeral of justice powell. and those were his wishes, neil. >> shannon, the crowd that's in there, i mean, it can hold 3500, but i'm , 4,000 are going to be crowded in there, is that right? >> reporter: yeah, i wouldn't be surprised at all. all of the parking has been tied up here for hours.
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the crowds continue to pour in. they showed up hours early. the church has been receiving them, the basilica, this entire time. i would expect it to be a packed house. this is primarily for family and friends. for others who appreciated and knew justice scalia. i would imagine it's going to be absolutely at capacity today. the last time that we were here with in-depth coverage was the pope's visit. today, a much more somber event, neil. >> all right, shannon bream, thank you very, very much. i want to bring in my colleague chris wallace right now. chris, i think they call that a packed house. >> yeah. you know, it's interesting, neil, one of the things that has struck me and frankly moved me over the last 24 hours has been the public response to the death of antonin scalia, yesterday at the court, they had a public viewing of his casket. and shannon was reporting, she was standing up, there was a cold day here in washington, and the crowd went around the block, and for hours, they had to extend the viewing hours because of the fact that so many people
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came to see and to pay respects to justice scalia. remember, this is not a politician. he'd never ran for office. never saw anybody's vote. all he did was write opinions, either rulings or decents in that ivory tower of the supreme court, but clearly, they struck accord with millions of americans, and you can see that kind of public response yesterday and you're seeing it again as you say with this full house. the biggest catholic church in north america. >> you know, i know his son, wrote a piece yesterday in the washington post talking about what he was like as a dad. i guess he was tough, but humorous one. you'd have to be with nine kids. he and his wife played vatican roulette. but he didn't like, ums, or ahs, wanted you to get right to the point. >> yeah, apparently that's true. i never saw him with his kids. i saw him with his wife and socially a few times.
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you know, its become almost a cliche in this last week since his sudden death and of course we did not know that he had died a week ago until late on saturday afternoon. but he was bigger than life. bigger than life in terms of his sheer brain power. his brilliance. and bigger than life in terms of his personality. he had a big laugh, a big sense of humor, a big appetite for life. you could see that in his final week. people say that he had all of these illnesses and a heart condition. my lord, he had gone to hong kong to make a speech, then he had flown back and gone hunting at a quail ranch in western texas. i got to say, sounds pretty healthy to me. >> yeah, and loved italian food and opera. that one particularly stuck with me. and you've seen that up close, right? >> well, yeah. as a matter of fact, you know, it's interesting, just barely brushed in my relations, i wouldn't say i was anything close to a friend. i had the good fortune of
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talking to antonin scalia a few times. he'd wrote a book in 2012 with and that was the one time when you could get justices to leave the ploys and come on a sunday talk show, like everybody else they wanted to promote their book and we took advantage of it and did a 25-minute interview, which is on our website, absolutely fascinate pg. you see all of what made justice scalia so impressive and so personally appealing. in any case, shortly thereafter, what you're referring to is the fact that we had been at a charity auction and we'd won a dinner by a well-known italian chef here, who would like to come? and i thought, maybe antonin scalia, i called him, and sure enough, the justice and mrs. scalia came to dinner. they were wonderful company. couldn't have been better fun. enjoyed mixing it up on conversations, obviously the one thing he wouldn't talk about was any case that was then before the supreme court, but almost anything else was fair game. i will say however, he spent an unusual amount of time in the
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kitchen talking to the italian chef and going over details of how you made the various dishes. he was fascinated by that. and he played along. >> you know, it's interesting too, is, you know, and i, governor kasich had touched on this with me that at our core, chris, we're all human beings. and that, you know, i know sometimes washington is like professional wrestling the way they go at each other, then during the break they hug or whatever. but i'm reminded of what his son chris had written about him that saying his dad, he loved the yankees, my mother loved the red sox, the conflict makes their 55 years together almost as impressive as his friendship with justice ruth ginsburg. you know, interesting. >> well, it is interesting. and i will tell you, at the dinner, boy, i'm really using this dinner, getting a lot of mileage out of it, but justice scalia was seated down at one end of the table with my wife, i had mrs. scalia down at the other end of the table, and she was a delight too.
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and let me tell you, she did not take any good enough from the justice. i mean, she rolled her eyes and, oh, nino, he was known intimate, not to me, you know, he's up to it again. i suspect she spent a fair amount of her life. she obviously loved him deeply, but you know, she was a tough, irish woman, and she wasn't going to take any guff off her husband even if he was a supreme court justice. and the point you make about his fellow justices, i mean he could be just wickedly devastating in the defense that he wrote in some cases. he once called, on the obamacare case, pure apple sauce. he had even more unkind things to say about some of the other things. he called out ruth ginsburg, and yet, they were as ginsburg said in her tribute to him, best buddies. the ginsburgs and the scalias were all the four of them, huge opera fans. used to go there all the time. used to dine out.
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they spent new year's eve together every -- i asked him about it once, he said look, you spend, you live, and he lived for 29 years with the eight other justices. he said if you took this all personally, and you start holding judges. also just the way the manner of person he was, you know, he could separate legal differences from personal affection. and it seems the other judges could as well. >> yeah, not all groups, right? if you think about it after the supreme court ruled in favor, key provision of obamacare. i think it was scalia who'd said now we can call it care. reference to the supreme court. he also famoused said the bush-gore, i think we're seeing the hearse arriving now from the supreme court as it makes its way to the shrine here. he was famous for saying things that got people a little peefed, wasn't he? >> oh sure, he loved that.
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there's one point i want to make, and i'm going to try and get it in now. once we get to the mass, we're not going to have a chance to talk about it. since vatican too, of course, the mass has been celebrated in the vernacular, in the language of the country in which it takes place, but not surprisingly, antonin scalia was a traditionallyist, and he found a couple of very conservative churches around the washington area. >> let me put it up. and there are, the language, that is going to be spoken in english, but there are a few of the hymns put sung, not in english, but latin, and you know into his funeral. and it's interesting that he
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would have gone to that effort to find a church where to find a church where it was celebrated in the traditional latin. >> excuse me for a minute, i thought you were going to veer into a latin quote there. >> well, there is a delay, shannon green with an update on that. what's going on here, shannon? >> well, there's still a number of dignitaries arrivinging here. we are awaiting word that the hearse is actually left the supreme court and will be arriving here. it's not a far drive, especially with a motorcade, but still awaiting for that official arrival. i wanteded the touch on something chris talked about. one of the sense the justice had n which she called the opinions apple sauce. at that point, the line reached two and a half to three hours in sub freezing temperatures. a little memorial has sprung up and it had jars of apple sauce. also heads of broccoli and some
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other things in reference to comments justice scalia made during the original obamacare argument. he asked the government mandate that everybody buy and eat broccoli. also some fortune cookies, a reference to another singing dissent and said essentially, their reasoning deinvolved to something you would find inside a fortune cookie. they built their ownly l memorial outside the supreme court yesterday. the court did tell us that they estimate about 6,000 people did wait in line and come through and pay their respects as he lie in repose there. they did extend hours last night. they were going to cut it off at 8:00, cut it off at 9:00 and said they would leave it open for anybody in line. a testament to how much he impacted people and how much it meant to them tho show up yesterday. we saw people of all age, from
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sweatshirts to three piece suits. it was a little bit of everything. a cross section of america there to pay their rmt to him at supreme court yesterday. >> thank you very much. the left of the screen, i believe these the pal bearer, family members. christopher scalia, chris wells, nine children, i believe. 64 strong will be the scalia family attendance, including 36 grandchildren. that fills up a lot of pews. >> he was a very proud grandfather, i know that. yes, there are there are some sons there. four scalias in the pal bearers and at least one i know is a son-in-law, so, and of course, his son, paul, will celebrate the mass. he and this was another case of the scalia sense of humor.
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paul took one for the team, that if you had a devoutly catholic family of nine, one of the boys had to be a priest. >> he is going to be leadinging the celebration today even though the archbishop will be there in attendance. it will actually be father scalia of arlington, virginia. just across the river, who will be celebrating the mass in honor of his father and it was so moving yesterday at one point when he talked about the lord taking antonin. of course, he's talking about his father. to eternal grace in heaven. that must have been a tough assignment, i would think, for father paul scalia. >> yeah, if you think about it, they've lost a dad. a family member.
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maybe some health issues that are only coming to light, it caught them by surprise. it's only a week ago this all happened, so it's tough on them. >> you know, really, it seemed to me yesterday in two families. obviously, the scalia family. nine children, 36 grandchildren. you say 64 strong. i'm sure if you were to go various generations, probably it's not a family tree, it's a weeping willow or something. also a death in the family in the supreme court. you have to remember, he was the longest serving member of this court. none of the other members had ever been justices without antonin scalia being there. to see the others who remain on the court and the senior member, scalia, no longer there. it's a death in the family of the court and given as i said a few moments ago, they do a lot of stuff together yesterday.
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clerks and various other personnel in the court, but they do a lot of stuff where they have to interact directly with each other. this larger than life personality i'm sure is going to be missed and a personality that i'm sure helped grease the wheels because of his affable personal t. >> much has been said about obama not being there for the funeral. he did come for yesterday's wake to recognize him at the supreme court. is there protocall on this? is it consistent? i've heard it's all over the map, so maybe people are making too big a deal out of that. >> the answer is, there's no firm precedent. first of all, in the last 61 year, there have been only been two sitting serving supreme court justices who have died while still in office. in 2005, chief justice reinquist passed away while he was still on the court. and then president bush attended
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his funeral. you have to go back to 1954 when sitting justice robert jackson died. dwight eisenhower was the president then. he did not attend the funeral. he sent a big cross of white carnations. and when it comes to justices who had retired, it's all over the map. sometimes, presidents attend. retired justices funerals. sometimes, they don't. i will say it gained some political currency here and there are some members, even of the president's administration, and supporters of the president who felt he missed an opportunity to come you know, just in the spirit of bipartisanship, of what units as is so much greater than what divides us, that he should have attended, but there is no great precedent here and as we know, the president and mrs. obama did pay their respects. did go to the court. spend some time in private we're
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told. one speaking to the chief justice wh greeted them, then to extended members of the family, who i'm sure were wait ng the judge's chamber, then publicly came out and stood for some time in front of the justice's casket and then went over and spent even longer period of time looking at that wonderful portrait of justice scalia, which has some moe men toes. that were important to scalia painted in the portrait. one is a wedding photo of his dear wife, maureen, and that's inchuded in the portrait. obama spent some time remarking about that portrait, which is interesting because it shows the informality of justice scalia. he was not all buttoned up. the robe was not zipped to the top. in fact, it was open and you kind of got the sense this guy who loved life, we can see the
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hearse on its way now to the shrine of immaculate conception carry i carrying the remains of justice antonin scalia. >> chris, you mentioned about, he wanted the portrait just for those reasons to bring that out and we're watchinging the funeral procession make its way now to the shrine. that was something he was very big on. get rid of the formally. i guess he would be looking at these arrangements today saying, my, they're really making a big deal of this. >> i do think that's how he would react. chris mentioned his portrait. i've always liked it because it is a little bit unruffled. his robe is open. the tie is not perfect. it's slightly to the side. and it reminds us of him. he wasn't perfectly polish eed l the time. he was a brilliant thinker, but when it came to his persona, he was just who he was.
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he was always making a joke, picking on people. that usually meant he really liked you and he was a jokest rerer: so, when i think of the portrait and the casualness of it, it reminds me of the kind of man he was. to be one of nine supreme court justice, very vaulted position in this country. but to be a very down to earth, fun loving, jokester person who very much enjoyed using the english language to his advantage and very well. he was a mixture of so many thing, but you never had to wonder where he stood on an issue or with you as a person. he was transparent with his emotion and we saw that in his reaction to the loss of other justices. he was very emotional at the loss of reinquist. and he wasn't somebody who was subdued in any way. that's what people loved about him. >> i think, not everyone shares


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