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don't forget to dvr the show if by some chance you can't watch live. we are back here next sunday, 11:00 and 5:00 eastern with the latest buzz. i'm chris wallace. donald trump wins big in south carolina. where does the republican race go from here? we'll talk with the top two finishers and get the latest from the campaign trail. >> when you win, it's beautiful. and we're going to start winning for our country. >> after tonight, this has become a three-person race, and we will win the nomination. >> first, donald trump on the results and his battle with pope francis. >> he actually said that maybe i'm not a good christian or something. it's unbelievable. >> we asked trump if he is truly teflon don. then senator marco rubio on what is next for his campaign. >> the state of south carolina will always be the place of new beginnings and fresh starts.
>> we'll ask rubio about his effort to become the establishment alternative to trump. plus, hillary clinton and bernie sanders battle in nevada. our sunday panel on where the democratic race stands. and our power player of the week. the strategist behind bernie sanders's campaign. >> are you surprised sanders is doing this well? >> yes, i am surprised. >> all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. we begin with the results from yesterday's political doubleheader. in the republican primary in south carolina, donald trump scored a big victory, winning almost 33% of the vote. it was close race for a second with marco rubio edging out ted cruz. the bottom three were far back with jeb bush suspending his campaign. in the nevada democratic caucuses, hillary clinton narrowly defeated bernie sanders
with 53% of the vote. we'll talk with the two republicans who had the best night, donald trump and marco rubio in a moment. but first, fox team coverage starting with chief political correspondent carl cameron in rock hill, south carolina. karl? >> thanks, chris. donald trump has now won the first two primary, new hampshire and last night south carolina back-to-back. and he is is a looking to make good on his prediction to, quote, run the table. >> let's have a big win in nevada. let's have a big win at the sec. let's put this thing a way. >> i want to begin by congratulating donald trump. but after tonight, this has become a three-person race, and we will win the nomination. >> marco rubio grabbed second, coming back from fifth in new hampshire and narrowly eked out a win, just a fraction of a percentage point against ted cruz who came in third. >> if you are a conservative, this is where you belong.
we are the only campaign. that has beaten and can beat donald trump. >> jeb bush, despite spending more money than any other candidate, took fourth and bowed out. >> i've had an incredible life. and for me, public service has been the highlight of that life. but no matter what the future holds, here is the greatest safety landing, if you can imagine. tonight i'm going to sleep with the best friend i have and the love of my life. >> now, folks, it's down to the final four. and we are going to travel all across this country. and i'm going to take you with me. >> john kasich came in fifth, far behind. but because jeb bush dropped out, he is now fourth. ben carson came in last, but both kasich and carson have vowed to keep on going. and the next three weeks is going to be a frenzy of voting across the country. more than half of the delegates will be selected, including march 15th.
and on march 15th are there are winner-take-all states, and donald trump will be facing it in ohio where john kasich is the governor, and florida, where marco rubio is the senator. chris? >> carl cameron reporting from south carolina. carl, thanks for that. joining us now from palm beach is donald trump, winner of the south carolina primary. mr. trump, congratulations and welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you very much, chris. >> with your big win in south carolina, where do you think this race stands now? you have talked about running the table. can you be stopped for the republican nomination, or is this over? >> well, i guess you can always be stopped. i have very good competitors. they're very smart people, governors, senator, very talented people. ben carson and dr. ben carson is a tremendous guy and a talent. we have a lot of talented people. >> let me ask you, people are talk about this now as a three-man race. so let me ask you about your two
chief competitors. thumbnail sketch, lightning round rules. ted cruz. >> well, he is very smart, very sharp. i haven't been too happy with the way he has conducted himself. but i understand he wants to win. and it's a little bit tough. there has been a couple of calls on me yesterday morning. it was the morning of the election. they were tough calls. they thought they were very unfair calls. but they were done. that's why i'm surprised i won by such a big margin. when i entered this, chris, i wasn't expected to win south carolina. i was supposed to, you know, maybe not even think about winning it. that was like a number of months ago. and all of the sudden i went there, made one speech and they fell in love with me and i fell in love with them. those people are incredible, by the way. incredible. with won't forget them. >> let's talk about marco rubio and his fitness to be president. >> well, he is a talented guy. he is a good guy. i like him. we're going to have to see what happens. i start off liking everybody, and then all of the sudden they become mortal enemies. so we'll see happens.
he has been very respectful, very nice. and i hope to beat him. >> you had quite a week in south carolina. you got into something of a flap, which diminished. but you with inner a flap for a while the w the holy father. you went after george w. bush. and while you won the primary handily, by double-digits, you did poorly among voters who decided in the last week. and i wonder if you think those flaps hurt you. do you need to tone it down, do you think as you become the front-runner for the nomination, to act more presidential? >> well, probably i do. i mean, i can act as presidential as anybody that has ever been president, other than the great abraham lincoln. i thought he was hard to beat. >> so when are you going to start? >> well, pretty soon. but don't forget, we started off with 17 people. i've been hit from 97 different angles. and now we're down to i guess five. and we'll see what happens. yeah, i think i'll have very presidential at the appropriate time. right now i'm fighting for my
life. i was fighting against a tremendous amount of very talented, very tough people. and i didn't really have time to think about it. i mean, i had to be tough and i had to be smart and i had to be sharp. and that's okay too. >> you took some strong positions this last week that you later had to walk back. and i'd like to explore a couple of them. first, you said that that president bush 43 lied us into war in iraq and took that back. here it is. >> they lied. they said there were weapons of mass destruction. there were none. >> you will not say again that george w. bush lied? >> i don't know. i can't tell you. i'd have to look at some documents. >> and here you are on whether or not you support the obamacare mandate that all individuals must have health insurance. >> well, i like the mandate. here is where i'm a little bit different. i don't want people dining the streets. >> i'm the most conservative person in the world with getting rid of obamacare. >> mr. trump, question. do you support the individual mandate in obamacare or not? >> right. let me explain to you. first of all, i don't want
mandates for anything. i want people to get. but i don't want people dying on the streets. and i was actually talking over anderson cooper, who i thought was a great interview and he is a great interviewer. he mentioned the word mandate and i was talking about something else, to be honest with you. it doesn't matter. >> but you said i like the mandate. >> i like -- i want people to be covered that cannot afford to be covered. i don't want people dying in the streets. and that's not mandate. that's me having a heart. i don't want people dying in the streets. i don't want people who have no health care whatsoever, they're in the middle of the street dying. and i talk about it all the time. you know what? when i give these speeches where i have 20,000 people, as i talk as the conservative republican and i talk about that, i say i don't want people dying because they have no money, i get standing ovations. you know, the republicans are not bad people. i get standing ovations. so i think it's very important. i'm not going to have people dying in the streets if i'm president. i can tell you that. you can call it whatever you
want. >> but to the larger point, i mean, whether it was lying or whether it was the mandate, particularly now that there is going to be more and more focus on everything that you say, do you think you have to be more careful? >> well, you know, that was a case where anderson, and i don't blame him at all. but we were talking at the same time. in the case of the war, the war in iraq was a disaster. and by the way, i was against it at the beginning. and joe scarborough can show you that fortunately, he found a clip. but the fact that i said they had a successful military operation, maybe it might have been successful as an opening operation, but i was opposed to the war. the war in iraq was a disaster, okay. it may have been the worst decision ever made, ever made by our country, okay. that's how bad it was. >> but that wasn't the issue. the issue was whether or not we were lied into war. >> well, right now that's for other people to determine. i don't say yes or no. i'm not saying yes or no. i say let somebody else term. the war in iraq cost 2 trillion,
thousands of lives. we got absolutely nothing. we have wounded warriors all over the place who i absolutely love. and now iran is taking over iraq. we handed it to them on a silver platter and they're going to take over far more than iraq, unless i'm president, of course. look, the war in iraq was a disaster. and the reason i won by such a large number is that while the pundits, including yourself thought i made a mistake when i took on bush on that issue, and have i nothing against bush. i don't even know the president. i never met him. but when i took on bush on that issue, i never thought it was bad thing to do because people that are smart know that the war in iraq was a disaster. and even jeb bush in the end admitted that the war in iraq was not a good thing. >> new question, new subject. when are you going to release your tax returns? >> well, we're having them made. they're extremely complicated. it's going to take a little while. i don't know if you ever saw the picture i gave, but i gave you a picture with about 2 1/2 feet of tax returns standing in front of me. they're having them done and we'll do it at the appropriate
time. >> reporters have been asking for months. you keep saying the appropriate time. and, you know, you talk about your empire. i'm sure you have a ton of lawyers and a ton of accountants. don't voters deserve to get a look at your finance, sir? >> oh, i think so. i've already given my financial statements, more than anybody has ever given. >> the tax return. >> they turned out to be about five times greater than anybody thought. no debt, very little debt. tremendous cash flow. some of the greatest assets in the world which is the thinking that our country needs to get rid of its $19 trillion et cetera. and make good deals. the tax returns at the appropriate time. there is no rush. at the appropriate time. >> to use a business term, are you involved in a hostile takeover of the republican party? >> no, i'm not at all. i get along with the republicans there is nothing hostile about it. i was a republican establishment figure. and then the day i decided to run, i became an outsider. and more so than i even thought.
people that were totally establishment that loved me, i was a very big contributor. i gave $350,000 just before to the republican governors association. i was a major -- >> what is your view of the gop establishment now, sir? >> i think it's a mess. i think it's a mess. and i think they better get their act together because they're going to keep losing elections. with the kind of thinking that we have, the karl roves and the stephen hayes and the characters that can't get themselves arrested, if you want to keep people like, that if you want to keep listening to people like that, you're never going to win. you're never going to win. they're from a different age. they're from a different world. >> you raised the question again this week of whether or not you're going to honor your pledge, the loyalty pledge that you sign to run as a republican and even if you lose, for you lose, not to launch a third party campaign. is that a threat that you're going to keep wielding throughout this campaign? >> no. because i want to run -- it's folks like you who are bringing
it up again. no. the pledge is the pledge. but the other side is not honoring it. look, i signed the pledge. i'm a republican. i'm the leading republican by a lot. and that's where i want to be. i dent want to run as an independent. i'm not going to be doing that. i think it's highly unlikely. but i'm not being treated right. when we go to the debate, the room is stacked with donors and special interests. i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm pull putting up millions and millions and millions of dollars, like throwing it out the window. so far i'm also spending a lot less money than other people that are spending $100 million. and i'm lead big a lot and they're losing by a lot. but i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm not controlled by special interests. i'm not controlled by donors. i'm not controlled by lobbyist, right? so i'm doing that. but the rooms are stacked. every time i go to a debate, i walk, in it's like death. and when other people -- i won't mention names -- but when other people speak, they say something stupid, and they get standing ovations. it's very unfair what the rnc is doing. they're stacking the room.
and that's unfair. with donors and special interests and lobbyists. and that's unfair. >> are we going to see you at the fox debate on march 3rd? >> yes, i expect to be there. sure. >> well, i look forward to seeing you, sir. mr. trump, thank you. thanks for your time today. >> you too. >> safe travels on the campaign trail, sir. >> thank you very much. up next, we'll speak with florida senator marco rubio who finished second in south carolina. with jeb bush dropping out, can rubio become the choice of the galena park establishment? tired of working for peanuts? well what if i told you that peanuts can work for you? that's right. i'm talking full time delivery of 7 grams of protein and 6 essential nutrients.
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of the south carolina state house in columbia. but joining us now from nashville is florida senator marco rubio who scored a second-place finish in south carolina. senator, congratulations and a welcome back. >> thank you. thanks for having me back. >> you declared flatly last night that you're going to win the nomination. but don't you first have to win a state? and if so, which is the first state you're going to win? >> well, we do. and we're going to find out we have to win more than one. so it's been difficult up to this point, because we've had a lot of people in this race. so you have donald trump sitting at around 30% or so nationally. and sometimes under, sometimes a little over. and ten you have 70% of the republican electorate does not support donald trump. but that 70% has been divided up between five to seven people. this race continues to narrow, i think that will be easier and easier for the 70% to coalesce. so that's why i feel so good obviously about our result last night. i give a lot of credit to trey
gowdy and tim scott and nikki haley who came on board and helped us finish strong there. now the race is getting narrow. i believe it's down to three people who are running full-scale national campaigning. i feel more positive going into some of these states including where i am now here in tennessee. our chances continue to grow now. we will especially as we get into the inner take all states. we have to start winning states, and we will. >> let's talk than. jeb bush dropped out last night. are you calling on john kasich and ben carson to also drop out so that the party, the rest of the party, that 70% can begin to unite around you? and please don't give me the it's up to them answer. would it be good for the party for the others to drop out and make this a three-man race? >> well, first, i do have to give you that answer because i'm no one to tell anyone to drop out. john kasich is out there working as hard as i am, and he has been doing this almost as listening as i have and he has every right to make that decision for himself. >> but it would bit best for the
party? >> well, i think that's for him. i believe that the sooner we can coalesce, the better we're going to be as a party in general. and so certainly, but i'm not here to do whatever he needs to do. it's going the happen one way or another there is a natural process that is going to take hold. i think the question is the timing. it's clear that john kasich is going to focus entirely on michigan. and at least that's what he has announced. and that's his right to do that. but we're going to continue to work everywhere. today we'll be in three states. we finish up tonight in nevada after stopping in arkansas, first start hearing in tennessee. we're going to compete everywhere. and we feel good about that coalescing happening in all those places where the other candidates are not. >> all right. you say this is now a three-man race. so i want you, lightning round rules to do a little comparison shopping. why should a voter who is undecided choose you over donald trump? >> well, i think one of the reasons why is we have a real sense of optimism about america's future. i'm realistic about our challenges, but i'm very optimistic about our future. we need someone that will restore, a campaign that will
restore our confidence in who we are as a people and what we're capable of doing. real answers to real problems. rhetoric is not enough. i think donald's campaign has largely been about how bad things are. there is no doubt we need to recognize how difficult things are. you can't just say you're going to make america great again. you to explain how you're going to do it. at this point in the campaign voters deserve to me in great detail how it is you're going to achieve some of the things you're saying you're going to achieve. so i look forward to having a policy debate, if we can make it a policy debate. and we'll see what direction he wants to go. but i think that's a big difference in this campaign. and then just a fundamental understanding of foreign policy, which i think is critical for the commander in chief to have on day one. to this point, now, three states in, he has still not really demonstrated that. but again, we'll seattle. as the weeks go on, maybe he'll spend some time and learn more about it and we can have a debate about those issue. >> we understand the case you're making for yourself. what about you versus ted cruz? >> well, ted is very weak on
national security. he has voted repeatedly against budget items regarding the defense budget, whether it's the defense authorization act or voting for rand paul's budget that slashed defense spending. so he'll have to answer for that. i just think voters are growing increasingly troubled by the tenor of his campaign. he is literally every day making up things. you saw today one of the supporters i believe in illinois, a member of his campaign said that they're becoming concerned and are thinking about maybe getting out of the campaign as a result of it. and it's very disturbing. but of course on the record, the national security stuff, he is very weak on security issues. i think that hurt him in south carolina and it's going hurt him elsewhere. >> let me talk to you about that second side. things seem to have gotten personal between you and ted cruz with you accusing him of lying and his campaign of playing dirty tricks. and here is what you said. i want to put these pictures upside by side. here is the real picture on the left. and on the right is the photo
shopped version that appeared to show you shaking hands with president obama and the idea that you two were together on the trade pact. here is what you said after that. >> picture is fake. it's a photo shop of someone else shaking hands. and it appears it isn't even barack obama either. so i think this is now a disturbing pattern, guys. it's a disturbing pattern. every day they're making things up. in this case, they literally made up a picture. >> straight out, do you believe that ted cruz has the integrity, the character to be president, or do you think there is something missing there? >> well, i think certainly his n his campaign is missing. i've never seen this behavior from him before up until he started running for president and in the last couple of weeks. look, the other night a gentleman saying at one of my events, i stopped and said a prayer for him. and it was an hour his campaign was sending out robocalls in south carolina telling people i had cut off my event short and had announced that if i didn't win in south carolina, i would be dropping out. i mean, these are little things,
but they add up, and they're important. this sort of pattern is very, very disturbing. and we're all used to rough and tumble here and people playing on the edges. but to just literally make things up. in a week he has been rebuked by national right to life on my position on planned parenthood. he has misstated my position on marriage. did robocalls in spanish to english speaking households in south carolina, trying to i guess offend people against me. so it's just very bizarre. it's an ongoing pattern. it happens every single day. now he did robocalls on the confederate flag against donald trump in south carolina. a very difficult and painful issue in south carolina that he wanted to re-ignite. so bottom line is you conduct a campaign like that, it's going to reflect on you. it's going reflect on your campaign. and i think ultimately, if it continues, it does say something about your ability to govern this country. >> of course, while you are making statements, comparison shopping about the other candidates, they're making it about you. and one of the knocks is whether or not you are willing to do the
hard work of government. i want to put up a couple of statistics that came out this week. there was a report that you have missed 60% of the hearings of the senate foreign relations committee since you joined the senate. and after 9/11 the florida house where you were then a member set up special committee on security lapses. you skipped almost half the meetings and miss in order than 20 votes. the suggestion, senator, is that you're always more interested in the next job than the job that you currently hold. >> well, first of all, about the florida house one, that was 15 years ago. i was also majority whip. so i had significant responsibilities outside of the committee. and you can't be in two places at once. and that explained the people who wrote that about when it comes to the foreign relations and the senate, you can have three committees meeting at the same time. you can have an intelligence committee meeting going on at the same time as a foreign relations. so no one can go to every hearing 100% of the time. it's literally impossible to do
it. it's not like you're out playing golf or at the spa, it's just you have something else happening at the same time. i'd have to go back and look at the record of it. for us, the thing about being in the senate, sometimes you can't be at every hearing because there was another committee that might be having votes. commerce committee or the intelligence committee. so you have to be there instead of the other committees. you just can't be in two places at once. that wouldn't just be true for me that. would be true for virtually anyone who is in the senate who serves on multiple committees as i do. >> finally, senator, you got a big boost this week. and a lot of late deciders went for you after you got the endorsement of the popular governor of south carolina, who endorsed you over jeb bush especially. a lot of observers think that the two of you would make a good ticket for republicans, young members of minorities. i was struck last night at your statement. not only were you there as a member of minority and nikki haley also tim scott, an african american, the senator, how
attractive and appealing is that to you to present a different face of the republican party? >> well, first let me say that one obviously nikki haley's endorsement was a big deal. but the process i also gained a friend. we've become friends over the last three days. i've gotten to really like her and admire her. we have a lot in common. so i think that really helped us hit it off. and i enjoy very much campaigning with her. we look forward to deploying her on the road the other places adds well. and tim scott is a dear friend and someone who also has a lot in common in terms of where we came from and how we grew up, although he faced some real difficult circumstances as a you can child. that's who we are. that's what the republican party is. i was on a town hall the other night on national television, and i was asked about it. someone made an allusion to the tone of the campaign with regards to appealing to minorities. i said just today i was endorsed by the daughter of indian american immigrants who is the governor of south carolina, a long-standing aside an african american u.s. senator, both of whom were there to support a
cuban-american u.s. senator. it's pretty amazing that the republican party is indeed the party of diverse. >> the it is the only party where you have so many people, so many different backgrounds on a national stage. i'm very proud of that. and we're going to continue to showcase that. that's who we are. >> i got ten seconds. you say you've gained a friend in nikki haley. did you gain a running mate? >> well, it's presumptuous to say that. but i think she is very talented and i think she is going to be on the top of everyone's list. whether she is interested or not, you'll have to ask her. she will certainly be on the top of anyone's list in my opinion. >> so she would be on your short list? >> i think she'll be on everyone's short list. whether she wants to do it or not, jewel to ask her. her politic is full, as she says, she has her hands full in south carolina and a young family. but she is incredibly talented. and i think whoever the nominee, and i believe it will be me, she is someone that people are going to be paying atension to. >> senator rubio, thank you. thank you for coming in today. safe travels, sir. >> thank you. up next, the sunday panel
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laura ingraham, editor and julie pace covers the white house and the campaign for the associated press. karl, i want to make sure you know donald trump sends his best this morning. >> i give him my best back. >> okay. i'm glad to hear that. where does the republican race stand this morning? how strong is trump, and how do you handicap what is looking like a three-man race? >> well, i think it is a three-man race as of today. look, he had a very good night last night after having a bad last ten days. he peaked on february 11. the real clear politics average at 38. he ended up last night with a very solid 32. and he took all 50 delegates in the out of the 28 before february 1st and march 14th. looking ahead he has a couple of very good weeks ahead of him. he's found a way to unglue evangelicals, thereby deeply
damaging ted cruz's chances to sweep the six southern states that will be voting on march 1st. the rest of the contest he'll do pretty well because if he takes a third in the vote, he will probably get slightly more than a third of the delegates. they're all proportional contests between now and the 14th of march. and he is going to have a divided opposition. on the other hand, there are big challenges for both parties. the republicans probably bigger challenges. if he becomes the nominee, we will have nominated the guy who has the -- who is tied for having the worst favorable/unfavorables of all candidates, republicans and democrats alike. the only other candidate who is as bad is hillary clinton. if we don't nominate trump, the party will be equally divided. he's made it clear. if he doesn't get the nomination, that's his definition of being treated unfairly. >> laura, talking about republicans post-south carolina in this three-man race, what do you want to add? >> i think it's interesting to look at rubio's hierarchy. most are based in south carolina.
warren tomkins, of course, the firm, and partner both working for rubio, the superpac and the campaign manager position as well. you have to ask yourself if rubio with all of the expertise in south carolina can't deliver more than two counties in south carolina and no delegates, where does rubio go on to win here? i know everyone is like rubio has momentum out of this race, i don't see where he wins. i think karl is on to something here. you go into nevada, trump is going to win that. i think he'll roll through the s.e.c. he is doing a big speech today in atlanta. we saw the huge crowds turn out for him in alabama where jeff sessions hasn't endorsed him but in my mind he's all but. i think trump has momentum, but if he has to unify the party. i think it's interesting that he hasn't gone after rubio. i know rubio hasn't really gone after him, but i can see something in the offing if trump keeps going, the compromise for the establishment, whatever you want the call them, the grassroots could be a trump/rubio ticket. people are horrified to hear
that maybe. that's what i'm saying if i have to have a crystal ball right now. >> briefly, how about ted cruz because some people would say, look, 70% of the voters there identified as born again or evangelical and that would seem to have been if he can't win there, where can he win? >> i don't want to count out ted cruz. i think he has an amazing campaign operation. but he has 11 delegates. trump has 61. at this point ted cruz will have to do some soul-searching, too. if he can't start chalking up more victories than just in iowa, he's going to have to make a decision. is he going to throw in with rubio or is he going to throw in with trump? he could be the sweet spot for both the establishment and more of the grassroots candidates here. >> if we remember one thing from this week a month from now, a year from now, my guess is maybe this is the week pope francis, the holy father, became a participant in the republican presidential primary in south carolina. when you thought you'd seen it all, you saw this. >> translator: a person who only thinks about making walls again and again and not making bridges
is not a christian. >> for a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful. >> we asked you for questions for the panel. and we got a lot of comments like to one from mike on twitter. who is paying the pope or directing him to drum up votes against conservatives in america? julie, a lot of people think that, in fact, the pope's comments help trump in heavily evangelical south carolina. >> i think it's possible it did help trump for this reason. the thing trump has been saying consistently throughout this campaign that has really gotten him support across the country, it's his positions on immigration. and you've seen moments in the campaign where he veers off on other topics. but every time he comes back to immigration, reminds me of his tough position, he gets stronger. and so the pope gave him an opportunity to do that. i think, you know, the pope is someone who has taken some pride in trying to rile up politicians
on climate change. i don't think he was trying to do anything specifically to stop donald trump. it's another great example how donald trump is a masterful politician. he took something that was quite controversial and i think turned into it a positive for him. >> neera, before we get into the craziness in your party, how much are you enjoying what's going on with the republicans? >> i think it's an interesting time in american politics on both sides. i was surprised that you could have a twitter war with the pope and still survive. i do think the one thing going forward for both parties, although there are differences, if you look at the exit polls in south carolina, 53% of gop voters are antiestablishment, really feel betrayed by their party, not just antiestablishment but feel betrayed by their party. how a party reduce as marco rubio or a traditional candidate when you have that much anger at the gop establishment, where they feel betrayed is something we look at. there are factors like that on the democratic party.
it's just not as high. much lower. >> clearly that's something that bernie sanders is tapping into. we're going to get into that in the next segment. in that sense does donald trump, if he ends up as the nominee, and there are some democrats, i don't know about you, who are kind of licking their chops at that. you have to be careful what you wish for. could he tap into that both on the republican side and the democratic side, that sense of we're going to just burn the whole place down and start over again? >> you know, i think he seems to be driving the numbers on the gop side. people should recognize there's higher numbers in turnout yesterday in south carolina. that is something that democrats should be worried about. now he may polarize other folks, as well, college educated folks could go the other way. but he is transforming american politics. you have to see how much is it going to mean and whether it would depress republican voters if he went with a pro-establishment candidate. >> one last quick thing, neera.
that tableau, and i talked about it with marco rubio, when he is on the stage with nikki haley, with tim scott, young minorities, if that were to be the face of the republican party, doesn't that become pretty tough for democrats in the sense that it explodes the kind of traditional stereotype? >> sure, but we also have to see the rhetoric on the trail has gotten so much more polarizing on immigrants and other issues. that's the real question. this debate -- this debate in the gop will decide where do the parties want to go? and can you attract candidates who are antiestablishment, angry at what's happening in the country, really angry at what's happening in this country and still be a diverse party? that's the question. >> okay. we have to take a break here. when we come back, nevada's democratic caucus and hillary clinton's narrow win. caucus an clinton's narrow win. this is sheldon
a look at the neon lights on the las vegas strip. with the results from the nevada caucuses, the race for the democratic nomination is still tight. chief white house correspondent ed henry in the silver state with the latest. ed? >> chris, hillary clinton last night seized the momentum in this race and took a big step towards beating bernie sanders for the democratic nomination. yet there are still danger signs this morning for clinton, still under fbi investigation. and interim polls show that for voters' whose top concern was honesty and trustworthiness, polls show sanders crushed her 84% to 11%. sanders also won big again with young people, made gains with hispanics.
however, clinton won because of a huge edge with voters over 65 as well as african-americans just as this race heads south and clinton at her victory speech pounced on the idea as this race goes to south carolina next saturday and then goes national in march, she will be able to grind out the delegates needed to seal this nomination. >> i'm on my way to texas. bill is on his way to colorado. the fight goes on. the future that we want is within our grasp. thank you all, god bless you. >> i believe that when democrats assemble in philadelphia in july at that convention, we are going to see the results of one of the great political upsets in the history of the united states. >> now, to sanders' point, not all of the states on super tuesday, march 1 are clinton strongholds in the south. some like massachusetts and minnesota quite friendly to him. remember, democrats award delegates proportionately.
and sanders has started out raising clinton in the money department. he has the ability to stick around. sanders has not proven he can win. chris? >> ed, thanks. >> and we're back now with our panel. karl, where does the democratic race stand now after nevada, and what have we learned about both clinton and sanders' campaigns going forward? >> i think ed captured the three critical elements absolutely right. she won in nevada in large part because of her overwhelming strength among african americans. we have five contests coming up that will be a positive. on the other hand, he will continue to do well among white liberals. you have states like colorado. let me make a forecast. he will carry boulder county but, also, massachusetts, vermont, north carolina, north dakota, minnesota, which have been more helpful to liberal candidates in the past. one of the interesting contests coming up is texas. i would have thought before last night texas would have been solid hillary country. he'll carry my home county of
austin, which is little moscow on the colorado. but last night he did well in latinos in nevada. if that transfers over to texas then he's going to do better than i would have thought. he will have money. there will come a point where he will have more money than she does and because the delegates are proportional, he will be there all the way to the end. and the question is what does he want in philadelphia. he will not win the nomination, but he is going to walk into that convention with god knows 35, 40% of the delegates. and what is he going to want, and can she give it to him? and does that unite the democratic party without doing damage to their general election? >> we can go home because it's all been laid out for us. neera -- >> let me clarify a few points. >> nevada was supposed to be the firewall. she won but it was a lot closer than she said it was going to be. >> actually, since new hampshire, i think both campaigning. yeah, two weeks ago now, ten days, that both campaigns
thought it was much more competitive. leading up to it. in fact, friday night bernie sanders at his rally predicted victory the next day. he thought he had momentum because he was outspending hillary 2-1 on the air and she was facing ads from super pacs including karl rove's. in nevada, which is really attacking her. >> absolutely critical. >> $7 million in a gop superpac overall. i appreciate the low dollar spending. she did well with latinos. >> she lost latinos. >> no. that's in the entrance polls. if you look at latino turnout, she won clark county by ten points. the latino neighborhoods she won 2-1 the delegates. so these are just facts. the idea that she's weakening is false. we'll see in texas. we'll see in texas how well she does. she did really well in texas eight years ago. i suspect she'll do well in texas this year. >> laura, i want to get your
reaction to a fascinating moment on the campaign trail this week. this is when scott pelley sat down with hillary clinton. take a look. >> have you always told the truth? >> i've always tried to. always, always. >> some people are going to call that wiggle room that you just gave yourself. always tried to. >> no, i've always tried. to. >> jimmy carter said i will never lie to you. >> you're asking me to say, have i ever -- i don't believe i ever have. i don't believe i ever will. i'm going to do the best i can to level with the american people. >> how do you think she handled that? we got to say in the entrance polls, which is the only hard data we have, still a huge number of people had honesty and trustworthy as their top candidate quality, and he killed her. it wasn't quite new hampshire, 90-10, but i think it was 80 something to 15. >> on the trustworthiness front it wasn't a stellar night for her. with answers like that, it goes back and we're reminded of what the meaning of the word
"is" is. i tried to tell the truth. first of all, is there a statute of limit takes on that? does it go back to hillary's time as a teenager? the question, i mean, i think most candidates will probably have a problem with that. we lof the ads. they stretch the truth on a lot of the ads for a lot of candidates. it goes right back to the e-mail scandal and maybe even benghazi. what difference does it make? i never sent or received an e-mail that was classified. i think we're finding a very different story there. but i think in nevada specifically, her guy robby mook was central to two campaigns, to howard dean's in 2004 and, of course, he worked for hillary clinton in 2008 there. he knew the lay of the land. if you can win among african-americans and the elderly, i don't see how she's stoppable. i really don't. i think she did well among latinos. texas will tell a different story, perhaps. i think the question is, what is bernie going to get? concession? is it a policy concession? much like in the gop, this campaign really is about issues. are we going to go with the
establishment view on globalism, trade, wages or are we going to go in a more pop populous direction on the republican front? bernie wants to force the debate. he's not done a bad job so far. >> julie, from your sources at the white house, what do they make of the race? are they concerned? it looks like this is going to go on for a while, that it will weaken whoever ends up winning and whoever wins will be pushed further and further to the left. >> there's a lot of clear support for hillary clinton in the white house. there are a lot of people there that want to see her be the nominee. and i think they take a different view on the long campaign, having lived through a long campaign in 2008. people in the white house are clear about her weaknesses as a candidate and a long campaign can help her get some of the kinks out. she will have to go into a general election stronger than she's been the last couple of weeks. i think you saw in herb speech last night in nevada, she came around with a stronger message. there was a lot of talk about this campaign being about the
people. she focused more on her supporters than herself. one thing that got lost on the fund-raising front, bernie sanders is spending money at an incredibly high rate. he has raised a lot of money but he is burning through it quickly. and i think you really have to look the fund raising numbers and spend numbers over the next couple of weeks because that will determine how long this race goes on. >> she has more cash on hand than he does. >> i thought it was interesting, though, in moving left that she made a point, yes, if you're a bad company we don't like you. but then she went to say f you're a good company and you're going to contribute, then we're all for you. the idea we're not going to burn down wall street. she seemed to want to recalibrate that. >> she's never going to be bernie sanders on wall street issues. and on private sector issues. it wouldn't be authentic for her to do that. she's been trying to find her position on this. i think last night was a message that felt a bit more authentic for her. i think you'll see her take that into south carolina and beyond. >> real quickly? >> she also ridiculed the idea
that everything can be free in bernie's world. she did that three or four times over the last week. i thought that was a turn to the general election. black and elderly voters, you need a republican who can steal some of them away in both categories. >> a teleprompter speech. >> thank you. see you next week. marco rubio, no teleprompter speech. with bernie sanders' appearance last week, we've sat down with every candidate in the race except hillary clinton. as we noted she was asked recently what she would do as president to bring the country together. >> i think it's an important point the president made in his state of the union, and here's what i would say. i will go anywhere to meet with anyone at any time to find common ground. >> but once again this week, clinton turned down our request for an interview. we reached out to her campaign officials in charge, communications director and press secretary. neither of them had the courtesy to even answer our phone calls and e-mails.
bernie sanders' campaign may be the biggest surprise in a political year full of them. how did a 74-year-old democratic socialist turn the presumed coronation of hillary clinton into a real fight? here is our power player of the week. >> he speaks directly, he speaks plainly, he speaks honestly. and is that really has an impact on voters. >> the political revolution -- >>ed to tad devine is bernie sanders' senior adviser. he's worked with him for 20 years but signed on to run the 014 when sanders wasn't even
included in national polls. >> he's not just a client of mine. he's a friend of mine. by talking about this message he believes in so deeply is great for the democratic party. we can bring millions of people into the process and they can help elect a democratic president. whether it's him or hillary clinton. >> a funny thing happened over the last 15 months. sanders' run for the white house has turned serious. >> bernie! bernie! >> honestly, are you surprised sanders is doing this well? >> yes. i am surprised. i'm surprised by how his appeal is cutting through. i'm surprised by the size of the crowds turning out to see him. and that we made so much progress in such a short time. >> bernie has spent his entire career -- >> we're trying to get this done. >> no, it's really good. >> he doesn't just set strategy for the campaign, he also produces the ads, like this one. ♪ america >> you have to be able to tell a story quickly. a story that people remember. number two, if you have some kind of emotional impact or content to that story, i think that's really powerful.
>> he's worked on campaigns since 1980. in this country and overseas. and while his batting average is good, when it comes to american presidential races, well, he worked for dukakis and gore and john kerry. >> i think i've learned more in campaigns with candidates who have losthan campaigns when candidates have won. hard lessons about what not to do in the next campaign. >> was part of your calculation that hillary clinton was not as strong as everybody said she was? >> you know, it really wasn't. we're not really reacting to hillary clinton. we had to figure out our own path and stick to it, and i think if we do, we have a chance of winning. >> the battle now is to battle clinton across the nation, all the way to the convention in july. >> she's going to do well in a lot of places. there will be a push to say, okay, this thing's over. our position is going to be well, it's over when it's over. >> he believes sanders can win more votes than clinton, then make his case to party
officials, now back her at super delegat delegates. >> i think we can win the most pledge delegates and arguing to the party that our nominee should be picked by voters and not by political insiders. >> we are going to vigorously participate in that democracy. >> in the meantime, he says the sanders' campaign is a good example of why he got into politics so many years ago. >> it's rewarding when you get to work for people you respect and admire, and when people say there's no hope, and you see the consequences and the impact that it has on people. >> he says there's been a revolution in campaigns since 2012 because of smartphones. he says the sanders team can now remind supporters to vote or ask for money, with the push of a button. only which makes the grass roots that much stronger. and that's it for today. have a great week. we'll see you next "fox news sunday." we'll see you next "fox news sunday."
late developing news from the presidential campaign trail. has two of the top vote-getters from south carolina, in a fresh round of fighting words over who's best to take on the man in first place. donald trump. >> i think donald's campaign has largely been about how bad things are. there's no doubt we need to recognize how difficult things are, but you can't just say you're going to make america great again. have you to explain how you're going to do it. >> we're seeing people come together behind our campaign because we are the only campaign that has beaten donald trump and that can beat trump. you can't beat donald from the left up. can't beat donald with a candidate who has supported amnesty. >> well, this is the part of the primary season when the races are