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happened and so, so i think you know, adults can come together for the better good, but it's a tough primary. absolutely. and you can't what we've learned is you can't lay down and just let the trump machine roll. you've got stand up to it. you can't be bullied by marco rubio. >> very good talking with you. top of the hour here and the front and center, rubio and his campaign at a rally in georgia. that's where you'll find our john roberts. what you got, sir? >> hey, good morning to you. georgia, one of 11 states awarding delegates. 76 up for grabs here in georgia. donald trump currently leads by 17 points here, but rubio trying to build support by doing events here here in kennesaw in the
conservative county surrounding atlanta. just listening to what you were talking about with your guest, this race has turned into a series of taunts and insults. rubio on the stump yesterday, probably again today, callinging donald trump a con artist. donald trump in turn making fun of rubio's appearance. listen to this. >> here's a guy, you got to see him, had to see him backstage. he was putting on makeup with a trowel. no, i don't want to say that. i will not say that he was trying to cover up his ears. >> he told the protester, i wish i could punch you in the face. donald trump has never punched anyone in the face. this guy was born into money, raised into money, inherited $200 million. he's never punched anyone in the face. he's not a tough guy.
>> bottle of water around the stage trying to make fun of rubio's propensity to sweat a little bit and not to be outdone, cruz leads in arkansas and texas was reduced to making hair jokes about donald trump. >> there are some things that are really just too big to uncover. it's -- but i will confess, stanning next to him, you do feel an incredible urge to reach over and ruffle his hair. >> and we got to remind you, this is a presidential election for the highest office in the world. donald trump got a big endorsement yesterday from chris christie, just been mersless in his criticism of rubio. he was doing that more yesterday and we expect more of it over the weekend. if the numbers hold, the establishment is freaked out over donald trump because if the numbers hold, he could win nine of 11 on tuesday and maybe
unstoppable after that. >> yeah. the 350 delegates or more. all right, thank you very much. john roberts. karl rove is very good at crunching the numbers here, so let's get into it. first on super tuesday and how it looks right now. karl joins us in austin, texas. good to have you again. what do you make of this race and how is trump positioned? say first in texas. >> well, texas is is one, i axwree with john roberts. i think there are two states that might be up for grabs. texas is likely to be. this, the poll has tended to show cruz, the home state senator, is ahead. but you know, it's not just winning. it is the number delegates you get and there you get into the arcadia of the delegate rules and i know you don't, you're both, you like to go there, but you don't want to, but i have an example of what might happen in texas. take the latest poll is from monmouth college. it has cruz at 38.
trump at 23 and rubio as 21. 44 delegates will be decided. if they get those percentages, cruz comes out 21, 12 to trump, 11 for rubio. but then you go to the congressional districts where again, the rule is you got to get more than 20% to be considered. but the first guy who gets more than 20%, the highest number, gets two delegates out of each district. 36 in texas. the number two guy gets one and the third guy even if he gets more than 20%, he gets zero, so what happens if in all 36 districts, the same pattern is reaffirmed. then we got cruz getting 72 delegates. trump get 36 and rubio gets zero. or what would happen if somehow or another, rubio passed trumps. there are two points in the monmouth poll. then it could be that trump gets, rubio gets 36 and trump gets shutout.
some people are going to win some districts and some are going to win others, but you get a sense of the kicker is not just the statewide where it's 21, 12 and 11, it's what happens in these congressional districts where the first place finisher gets two, the number two place finisher gets one and the third place finisher gets zero. >> two things on that. are you aware we have a graphics department and we could have saved you a lot? >> you know what? they said they've done your budget for the year. so i had to bring a white board. i take this up with management. done. done. your budget is done. >> gets all the big money. that's fine. so, let me get a sense though, the second, actually i think it maybe a little more immediate. that you could have a situation where ted cruz wins his state, but it's a long way from winning all 155 delegates, so, the closeness of that win will be more scrutinized. >> absolutely. how close, they're going to be,
we're going to be looking at a picture on tuesday night, in all likelihood trump wins seven, eight, nine, maybe ten of the 11 primaries and there will be a couple of questions. kru, how strong is his number in texas. if it's weak, he's in deep trouble. what if the split of the delegate gattis in all 11 contests. does trump come out of tuesday night with an absolutely majority of the delegates on tuesday night? 595, does he win 300 or close to 300? >> what do you think? >> you know, i don't know because it gets down, the arcane area of these rules. the difference between 23% and 21% when it comes to congressional district delegates is a difference between getting zero and getting 30 some odd, so, and this is repeated around the, the second biggest primary. that night is going to be in georgia. similar rules regarding the congressional districts. the only state that's going to be completely por portional, if you get 2% of the vote in
virginia, you get a delegate because it's proportional statewide and there are three other states that are statewide, but with triggers. massachusetts, 5%, alaska, 13%, vermont, 20%, so you have to get at least that threshold to be considered, but then you get your share of the delegates, but when you get to these districts, that's where the kicker is and the question is, how many districts does trump with i within and how many are won by cruz or rubio, so when we end the election night, is it, is donald got a majority of the votes that night and is awfully strong. if a majority of the votes are in cruz and rubio's columns, then we have got a longer slide. >> if you have a longer slog, would you have donald trump, assume he's the leader, big asumgts, still early. we get to cleveland and he's shy of 1237 he needs, i talked to some republican operatives who say if he's one shy, we will
fight to the nail to make sure he's not the nominee. could it be that nasty, not only brokered, but nasty. >> if he's within a reasonable number and we don't know that number today. if he's within one of the majority needed out of 2,472 to win, he'll be the party's nominee. but on the other hand, if he has 41 or 42% and 58, 49 or 60% are not his, then we'll have a battle at the convention and could end up with your dream of dreams, a convention where people get in the back room, smoke cigars, drink brown drinks and come to an agreement. >> you surmised that. not nearly as much you are, apparently. but that it doesn't favor someone getting an outright majority. to your point, then it depends on how close the close.
brokered conventions aren't always a disaster, but do you worry that if you get there, it could be messy? >> it could be messy. it will be messy. mow messy, we don't know. we had a convention the last time we had a multiballot convention was 1948, but everybody sort of assumed tom dewey was going to win. he led on the first ballot, by a birg margin. the last convention we had that was the kind you're talking about was 940 and wendell wilkey, who had been a democrat in january, is at the convention in june and he secures it i think onthe sixth ballot after a critical meeting and a freight elevator with the young governor of minnesota who had a block of delegates around him. you may remember the name. harold staffson. the two men meet in a freight el variety. no one knows what was said between the two men. but they emerged from the freight elevator his support behind wilkey and wilkey became if nominee. >> that's wild. you always had a bit of a broken deal with lincoln. that worked out okay, right?
>> it did. he was not the front-runner. as you recall and you know, lots of delegates, who was their second choice, was the question then and the tall, lanky lawyer from illinois who made a terrific speech at the cooper's union, he became the nominee. >> you are like scary smart. you know that? >> no. i have a very narrow area of obsession. >> but i got to talk to brett because we got to upgrade this white board thing for you. >> i'm content. i'm content. i don't want to deal with look, i don't want to put pressure on your budget. i know how difficult upstairs is to deal with for you. >> you don't know the half of it. we wanted free catering and we're told there are a couple of groceries around the corner. karl rove, thank you very much. donald trump is the front-runner and a lot of so-called
establishment republicans are always scratching their heads. allow one sheriff joe to explain that, next. >> i got endorsed, talk about chris. by sheriff joe arpayo. and the one thing you know about sheriff joe, he's pick iing the toughest guy on the board e. no games to be played with sheriff joe. at old dominion, we ship everything you can imagine. and everything we ship has something in common. whether it's expedited overnight... ...or shipped around the globe, ...it's handled by od employees who know that delivering freight... ...means delivering promises.
they do not, they do not, they do not represent the view of the vast of the american people. >> that was joe biden is day before yesterday responding to commen comments, those are the ones that prompted the former president of mexico to use the f word twice and the latest in an interview with my colleague and friend, maria bartiromo, was shocked and that and right to be shocked. that was then. the vice president of the united states, regardless of what you think about donald trump at all, he's apologizing on behalf of a candidate he finds objectionable in a foreign country. wonder how sheriff joe arpaio feels about it. >> if he's going to use that word, he should use it against dope peddlers and illegals
coming into our country. i met him years past. yes. i was rather shocked at his conduct. at least he said one thing, they're not going to pay for the wall. he didn't say they should not be a wall. you know, they don't want to pay for it, take away a little foreign aid we give mexico, then they'll pay for it.what donald trump meant. i think what he was saying is we give them you know, a lot of aid and we also also have a disproportionate trade government. i think they enjoy nearly a $58 billion trade surplus with us and i think what trump is saying is it comes out of that. now, the surplus thing is easier said than done, but i know what he's getting at here, but the mexicans we're told are offended by that, what do you say? >> well, i don't know, they can stand by whatever they want. you know, i've been trying to get to meet the mexican
officials since i was director. in mexico city, they stone wall me. trying to meet with the pope. i'm convinced the mexican government stone walled that visit. in jaurez, so they don't like me, don't like donald trump, so, so what? we're going to do our jobs and clean up that mess and i'll be reporting next week on a major drug investigation we concluded with all the drugs, once again, coming in across that border. >> now, i know you always get elected and re-elected by overwhelming margins, for sheriff, but i wonder what you make of some polls that show donald trump could suffer in the poll, at least among latinos. all latinos, not the ones who have voted for him in the latest states, but generally. there's a "wall street journal" survey out and others as you've no doubt seen, that show donald
trump losing seven out of ten latino voters. does that worry you just on the prospect of his getting which i think you want to see, him elected president, that he would lose that vote? >> well, you know, i'm not loved by every hispanic in ma rrricop county. i introduced anymore las vegas last week and by the way, he did great in las vegas in nevada. with the hispanic vote, so i think the hispanics like a fighter. he's a firgt. and i think they like his business background. and so, he'll get a lot of hispanic votes. don't believe all the polls. l. >> let's talk about this endorsement by chris christie. think it moves the needle? >> chris christie's backing of donald trump. do you think that helps donald trump out? >> yeah, i think it does.
christie has a good background. he's outspoken, just like donald is. and i think they'll make a good team throughout campaign. so, it's sure not going to hurt him. >> you think that would be a good ticket right there? trump and christie? >> well, i don't know about tickets right now, my concern is to help donald trump become the nominee. and become the winner. >> would you ever entertain a role in the trump administration? o someone mentioned you running homeland security. what about that? >> yeah, i've been in washington three times. not going back. i'm the running for sheriff again, be my seventh time, so i'm going to continue to serve in the people of maricopa county. >> what about john mccain? he might have an uphill fight getting his party's nomination. get re-elected senator. what do you think about that?
>> well, you know, he always runs tough. just have to see what the voters say. he's been around the long time. indicated his life towards public service. so, let's see what happens. >> do you like him? >> we've had our ups and downs. as you know. through the the presidential campaign. >> all right. sheriff, good seeing you again. >> thank you. >> agree or disagree, always answers your question. bluntness, a lot of heat, but fairly clear. we're going to be hearing from candidates in this race the next 48 minutes. certainly in our live coverage tonight. on fbn. one is john kasich. now, there was a move to have kasich quit the race, so maybe call this around rubio. it was kasich's response to that that drew pretty humorous
response, especially when he said maybe it's rubio who should quit the race and the party ko ales around me. think about that. he's next. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ frodoers don't stop. wake up, every day is a chance to do something great. and for the ones they love, they'd do anything. sears optical has glasses made for doing. right now, buy one pair and get another free. quality eyewear for doers. sears optical.
coolest, fastest growing network in the world. hello. thanks for indulging that. we have so much planned for you tonight. when it comes to excitement in politics, a little less so on the democratic side than the republican side. and that could be very interesting here because the normal rule of thumb is the party of veeters of jabs tends to be the winning party in the end and for democrat, that could be a problem. when it talks about voter participation, it was up 58% for republicans while down for democrats in iowa. 19.1 increase in new hampshire for republicans. almost 13% participation for democrats in nevada. look at that. almost 70% surged in turnout for republicans this go around. while democratic participation down about 32%. the democrats get their chance today in south carolina. that would be a tough number to
beat for republicans. 71% more voters turning out on the republican side. this go around than last. so, how does it look for democrats today in the palmetto o state? peter is in columbia, south carolina with the latest. >> and neil, there's a line to get into this polling place this morning at 7:00, but since then, as the morning has worn on, the turnout has been steady, but modest. mayor of columbia just walked in. he is doing some, giving somebody a tour and doing last minute campaigninging and he said that the reports he's getting around columbia are that the turnout is brisk in different places, but we are not seeing the long lines we saw in places in iowa or new hampshire, at least not yet. but it is still not even lunchtime yet here in south carolina. statewide though, democratic officials are saying they think there will be 350,000 to 400,000 democrats voting today. about halfway between the number of ballots cast in 2004 and 2008
and it would be about half the number of republicans that voted in their primary here last saturday. hillary clinton is way ahead in the poll, but has continued campaigninging in the state to try and stop a sanders surge. now, she is telling voters that a big win here would be a sweet send off to super tuesday. sanders meanwhile says a big turnout is the only way he comes from way behind here. he's trying to turn the audiences at his rallies into votes, but he is not doing anything to get out the vote here in south carolina. today because he left the state. the democratic socialist senator may have seen the writing on the wall. he may have thought his surge to catch wind was going to come up short, so he has moved on to super tuesday states and before he left, he made a last minute push. he's trying to get people out, that is really the main pitch that he's been making. he thinks he does well when there's a big turnout. not sure if he's going to get it here today in round four of sanders see clinton.
>> all right. thank you very, very much. you've heard the grill on the republican side that it is important that the nontrump candidates win their home states. just how crucial is that for one, john kasich in ohio, is it the entire ball game? we'll ask him. john kasich is next. we asked a group of young people when they thought they should start saving for retirement. then we asked some older people when they actually did start saving. this gap between when we should start saving and when we actually do is one of the reasons why too many of us aren't prepared for retirement. just start as early as you can. it's going to pay off in the future. if we all start saving a little more today, we'll all be better prepared tomorrow. prudential. bring your challenges.