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neighborhood of chelsea. streets remain closed. the public and media are being kept far away from the crime scene. surveillance video shows the blast itself. authorities hope it will also show who was responsible. so far no suspects have been identified. three hours after the explosion police found another device nearby, a pressure cooker with a cell phone attached. it was removed from the scene by the bomb squad and has not yet been detonated. a third incident is being investigated. saturday morning in new jersey a
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pipe bomb exploded. there were no injuries. still to be determined are these incidents in any way connected. new york's mayor bill de blasio says he thinks the explosions were intentional but did not make direct links with terror. new yorkers are very nervous and police say they have received a number of false alarms about suspicious packages. just a short time ago police in this neighborhood put up posters telling new yorkers that there is a $2,500 reward for tips that lead to helping to solve a crime. >> thank you. now, to politics. donald trump is tightening the polls as he runs a more disciplined campaign. that is until late this week when he brought up the birther issue again and then suggested hillary clinton's secret service detail should disarm and, quote, let's see what happens.
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in a moment we will talk with new jersey governor chris christie, a top trump adviser about the campaign as well as the explosions in his state and new york city. first, hillary clinton's running mate, the democratic vice presidential nominee senator tim kaine. what can you tell us about the explosion in new york city and the investigation of whether or not it is a terrorist attack? >> you know, chris, as of right now that investigation is still underway. the main feeling that we have is concern for the victims and for an explosion of that size the fact that there are no fatalities yet is positive. in terms of the details it is unclear. i know everyone is looking to see what the cause was. could it potentially be connected to terrorism i know that will be looked at closely. >> let's turn to politics. i want to begin with donald trump's comments on friday night about what he believes is
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hillary clinton's hypocrisy when it comes to the issue of gun control. >> i think that her body guards should drop all weapons. they should disarm. take their guns away. she doesn't want guns. let's see what happens to her. >> senator, do you believe that donald trump in any way was insighting an act of violence against clinton? >> i do believe that. i was stunned when i saw it although he has done it before twompt things, first, hillary clinton and i believe in the second amendment. we support the second amendment. we do support gun safety rules. we are not taking people's guns away. but, second, this notion that he has done before. if hillary gets elected then maybe second amendment people will have to take care of the situation or his comment friday night or his statement in rallies i would like to punch the guy in the face. he is using language that is an insightment to violence or
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encouragement of violence or at least being kind of cavalier and reckless about violence. that has no place in any election especially election to be president. >> to ask specifically because what you are saying is fairly stunning you believe it is insightment to violence against his opponent in a presidential race, hillary clinton? >> i do. so use the other example. you put it in the context of other things he has said. if hillary gets elected we may need second amendment people to take care of this. what did that mean when he said that three weeks ago? when you look at a series of comments that he is making i do believe it is an ensightment or at a minimum expression to indifference whether violence would occur. this is a pattern that has been repeated. and i think it doesn't belong in any race much less a race to be president of this country. >> trump made a statement on
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friday about the birther movement. let's take a look at that. >> hillary clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. i finished it. i finished it. you know what i mean. president barack obama was born in the united states, period. >> senator, do you think that donald trump is a racist? >> chris, i don't know donald trump. if i don't know somebody i'm not going to make that claim. this is really important. for five years from 2011 to 2016 last friday donald trump has perpetrated a bigoted lie that president obama is not a united states citizen. this is so painful because as you know when african-americans came here in 1619 to jamestown
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up to the end of the civil war they could not be citizens. that is what the dred scott decision said they were not allowed to be u.s. citizens. so for five years when donald trump has pushed this bigoted lie that the african-american president of the united states is not a u.s. citizen so many people connectost painful time in american history. and what i hope somebody will ask donald trump is when you are doing that for five years did you really believe that to be true, in which case, how gullible are you? how bizarrely conspiratorial are you? or were you aware it wasn't true? if so why were you trying to whip up those emotions? >> let's turn to hillary clinton's health which raises the question of her transparency because she was asked repeatedly
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this week when she told you about her illness and she repeatedly refused to answer. here she is. >> i communicated with tim. i talked to him again last night. we have communicated. i am not going to go into our personal conversations. >> senator kaine. it turns out clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia on friday and collapsed getting into the van at the 9/11 event on sunday morning. simple question, when did she tell you that she had pneumonia? >> i actually answered this on monday and again on tuesday. we talked on sunday. i called her after the incident in new york to express concern and then we communicated over the course of a few hours. i learned right away when i reached out to her. that is when i learned about her condition. >> why wouldn't she just say it? because this gets to the question of transparency. i want to put up a new fox poll.
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people were asked whether the candidates are honest and trust worthy. clinton's net is negative 30. trump's is negative 19. neither of those is good. by a substantial margin, senator, the american people seem to think that trump is more honest than clinton. >> well, you know, i would challenge that. >> those are the numbers. >> right, but he said he would release his tax returns and he is not doing it. back to it. again, i was very plain with the press about this right away that that is when we -- and, again, i did say what she said which i was not going to go into the content of the conversation. that is important for running mates to share without being public about it. the timing i think was quite clear as of monday when i spoke publicly about this with the
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press. >> that brings us stoot state of the race which keeps tightening. in the latest real clear politics average clinton leads by 1.5 points down from 8 points in august. in ohio trump up one point. less than a month ago he trailed by five. in florida trump leads by less than a point. in late august clinton led by 4.5. your lead is gone. >> chris, you know that i do politics in virginia. i think you know my state. this is like every race i have ever been in. we went into the first two conventions basically tied. we came out of the second convention with a good lead and tightened up over time as i thought it would, as i actually told secretary clinton when i encouraged her to run in april of 2014. >> we are running out of time. if trump is a bigot and insighting violence why is it
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that clinton can't keep a lead against him. >> we are a very divided nation and closely politically divided. what we are trying to do over the course of the end of the campaign is compare visions. hillary and i have a vision for the country, stronger together. that is the book we put out recently with policies. donald trump put out a book when he decided to run and calls it "crippled america." i don't recognize crippled america in the optimistic can do up beat positive spirit of the american people. obviously, we have a real case to make between now and november 8 that our vision of stronger together is the vision going forward. >> thank you. thapgs for talking with us. thank you for bringing props along, as well. >> you bet. good to be with you. joining me now, governor chris christie, the head of donald trump's white house transition team. i want to start with the breaking news about the
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explosions in new jersey and new york yesterday. what's the latest on the investigation and do you have reason to believe that explosion was an act of terror targeting the race? >> as far as new jersey is concerned fortunately no one was injured and the race had not started when the bomb exploded. the fbi is leading the investigation here in new jersey in coordination with the new jersey state police and office of homeland security. we have very promising leads but we have no one in custody at this time. as far as terrorism is concerned it is clearly an act of terrorism. we don't know who is responsible for it. is it domestic source or foreign source? it was done intentionally to try to terrorize the people of new jersey. so that we know but we need to know who is responsible now and get them into custody.
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>> i want to turn to politics and want to begin with donald trump's comment where trump suggested that the secret service detail around hillary clinton should disarm. let's see what happens. you just heard senator kaine say trump was inciting an act of violence against hillary clinton. your reaction? >> when a race gets tight even a guy like tim kaine gets desperate. to imply, he said that that was to insigcite violence is outrageous. donald trump was trying to make a point about hillary clinton wanting one set of rules for herself and different set for the american people. that is what his point is on the second amendment. senator kaine should be ashamed of himself for saying that. it is an outrageous statement but shows how desperate and scared the clinton campaign is
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now because the race is a dead heat. they can't believe it and will get worse news as we move forward here because donald is going to continue to do better. >> do you think it is responsible. you have a security detail. obviously, hillary clinton has a security detail. you are not average citizens. so to suggest that you might want gun control for the larger population but that doesn't necessarily apply to a public figure like yourself, is that really hypocrisy? >> what it is, they want to remove second amendment rights from american people. we have seen that over and over again. i think what donald was wanting to do was make a point that she wants one set of rules for herself and a different set of rules for everybody else. i think all american people should have a right to protect themselves. in most states that is what exists. mrs. clinton wants to change that in a significant way.
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for senator kaine to go as overboard breathlessly accusing donald trump of inciting violence against hillary clinton is outrageous and beneath him. he should take a deep breath and stop all the craziness. trump also tried this week to end the birther controversy after earlier in the week refusing to say that he now believes that barack obama was born in the u.s. last september when you were running against trump you tore into him for keeping the issue alive. let's look at what you said then. >> i say the president is a christian. those two things are self-evident. donald trump has to decide as we have seen, he has to decide how serious a candidate he wants to be and how he handles different problems like this will determine that in the eyes of the american people. >> so how serious a candidate is donald trump when he is still
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talking about the birther issue less than two months before the election? >> very serious because he said very clearly this week that barack obama was born in the united states, period. and so the controversy is over. i made my position very clear on this both in the campaign and before that actually. that was my belief. and donald make it clear now that it is his belief, as well. if you think, chris, that anyone in the united states is going to go into the voting booth and vote for or against donald trump or hillary clinton based on this issue then people who think that are out of touch with the problem with the economy and jobs in the country, with the problem of terrorist threats around the world and here at home. those issues will decide this race and not something like this. >> respectfully, governor, voters decide what is going to decide the race. as you may know, a lot of people are upset at the idea, they would say trump was trying to
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delegitimize the first african-american president. i want to ask you about another issue because trump didn't end the controversy. he continued to say that hillary clinton started the birther controversy question. do you have any evidence that either hillary clinton or any member of her campaign in 2008 ever publically questioned barack obama's birth place? >> well, just look at the comments that was made and the fact is that -- >> if you are going to go there. what she said was that some volunteer in iowa raised the question and was immediately fired. so that hardly seems like they were pushing the birther issue. >> chris, you know, the fact of the matter is that what happened during the clinton campaign in 2008. if they fired the person good for them. the issue was raised by the clinton campaign. the fact is this. you and i both know that there
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are lots of things that go on privately and quietly in campaigns. there are people whisperring in your ear all the time trying to get you to report things they are unwilling to say publically. if you look back at the 2008 race between hillary clinton and barack obama it was an incredibly bitter, angry race on both sides where a lot of things were said both publically and privately, off the record and on background to members of the media that probably both would like to take back at this point. but the fact of the matter is that donald trump put this issue away on friday. and you say voters decide. i have run in two elections statewide here in new jersey and ran the republican primary for president. i will tell you it is my opinion that there is no one in this country who is today undecided about this race who will make their decision in the next month and a half based upon this issue. those decisions will be based on
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jobs and the economy. these are things they will make their decisions on, not on this issue. i know you guys all love it. it is not one where undecided voters will make their decision in my opinion. >> we will have to leave it there. thanks for your time today, sir. >> chris, always great to be with you. up next, we will bring in our sunday group to discuss trump's suggestion that clinton's secret service detail should put away their guns. just go to facebook or twitter. we may use your question on the air. hey, need fast heartburn relief? try cool mint zantac. it releases a cooling sensation in your mouth and throat. zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. nexium can take 24 hours. try cool mint zantac. no pill relieves heartburn faster.
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hillary clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. i finished it. >> for five years he has led the birther movement to delegitimize our first black president. >> donald trump and hillary clinton sharply at odds over who started the birther movement questioning whether barack obama was born in america. and it is time for our sunday group. gop strategist carl rove, charles lane from washington post and monica crowley, editor and columnist for washington times. we said trump has been doing well as more disciplined candidate sticking to teleprompter talking more policy issues. late this week we got the birther issue opened and closed.
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then we got the comment about clinton's security detail should disarm. how do you explain? >> well, slipped out of the control of his handlers. he had three great weeks. closed the gap in ohio to take the lead in ohio, took the lead in florida and iowa by 4.3 points in the real clear politics average. close in nevada. >> 244 electoral votes and just got full of himself and said things he shouldn't have said. i want to say this about the birther thing. he says on wednesday i don't know. he should have come out and said of course i settled that issue. also, tim kaine shouldn't be saying when you ask him the question of is he a racist, i don't know. both of those statements, the statement by donald trump on wednesday and tim kaine's statement today on sunday are really, really irresponsible. >> we asked you for questions for the panel. and we got this on twitter from
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ron powell on ending the birther issue. what took him so long in light of the overwhelming evidence? also who did he send to hawaii to investigate? nobody. how do you answer ron? same question i asked carl, how smart is it to stray off a winning formula. >> the newelly imposed discipline was paying off. donald trump, a big part of his appeal is that he talks like a guy from queens because he is a guy from queens. that kind of raw authenticity got him the republican nomination for president. because he speaks off the cuff sometimes that gets him in some trouble. his mind moves fast. he takes verbal short cuts and again he gets himself into some political troublism i think this is all an overreaction to gun
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comments. this is an overreaction. donald trump should know that mrs. clinton, her campaign are going to take everything he says that is off script and twist it to serve their story line that he is somehow a bigot or unfit for the presidency. that is why everything he says for the next 50 days ought to be weighed and measured extremely carefully. i know it is tough for donald trump. if he wants to stay on course and win the ultimate job that is what he needs to do. >> let's take a look at the big picture. despite the issues whether we are overreacting or not to them, the big picture is that trump has significantly tightened the race. he has tightened it. he is barely behind and leading as carl mentioned in several key swing states. how do they explain it at clinton headquarters in brooklyn and how worried are they? >> they say they had a bad week. the comment that half were
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deplorable, the whole situation with her video showing her staggering and possibly falling and pneumonia diagnosis was bad for secretary clinton. they think they have a ground game that he does not. they feel they are putting emphasis on the first debate. her schedule and for the coming week has been light in terms of campaign events. she is doing a lot of time doing debate prep. they see that as an important moment. folks in the democratic party are awfully nervous and their argument is that this is not a traditional year and donald trump is not a traditional candidate and perhaps the traditional rules of ground game don't apply. i think that is making a lot of democrats nervous. >> i will pick up with you. you hear the clinton camp we have a better ground game in ohio and they are talking about surrogates that are going out for them to help with the millennials like al gore and bernie sanders. that's not a very strong
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argument for a candidacy seven weeks out. >> it only calls attention to what an unorthodoxed year this turns out to be. on paper by all conventional measures of what is a successful campaign she has a huge advantage. she has the organization. she has the money. as we are seeing she is outspending, in florida that was reported just today, outspending him by millions of dollars and he is still right there. i think he is either tied or has a slight lead in florida. so what they need to reckon with is that all this sort of application of resources that would have bought you success in the past may not work this year at least in certain swing states like ohio and florida where they have usually paid off in the past but where it seems to be a sort of grass roots enthusiasm for trump that will support itself. >> we have less than a minute for this segment. how do you see the race overall?
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>> very close. he has a narrative that is driving this which is he has changed. her narrative is i am qualified to do the job and he is not which unfortunately paints her as more the same, more status quo. he now leads in states that have 244 electoral votes and close in two states more to get them 21. that is 265 to 270 is hard to do. >> i love the fact that we are talking about those five electoral votes seven weeks out. we have to take a break. when we come back former secretary of state powell's hacked e-mails saying tough things about both he and trump. one week before the first debate. what do the two candidates need to do? what should the game plan be for both sides going in? let me know on facebook or twitter. e clinton campaign,
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give us whatever sense you can at how they are preparing. do we know, i know this is a statement secret who is portraying donald trump in the mock debate and what's their strategy and sense of the importance?
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>> that is what everybody wants to know, of course, it is being tightly held. >> let me ask, why is this. >> it's a good question. i think they just don't want to give any window into how they are preparing. who's playing donald trump would reflect how they see donald trump potentially behaving in these debates and that's really the wild card here. she's doing a lot of preparing and, frankly, hillary clinton tends to do well in forums like this where you can prepare, where the situation is controlled. i think it's worth noting she's probably more experienced doing presidential debates than just about anyone else in the country, she did them in 2008, she did them again in this primary, so this is a forum they expect she can do well, the wild card here, of course, is donald trump. they simply don't know which donald trump is going to show up, the one who's reading from the teleprompters and following advice of his aides, or the one going off message, so i think she's preparing for both possibilities. >> karl, as the one person at the table that's helped someone prepare for a presidential
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debate and done it several times, what should they be focusing on one week out? >> well, actually, two things. one is, what is the impression that the american people have of the candidate, good or bad, and second, how can they further the better aspects of that in the debate by their performance. these debates don't tend to drive the race in entirely different direction, at least not unless we have a train wreck, they tend to confirm things people know about candidates, good or bad. so try and find good points and emphasize those good points. >> if you were in the corner, what would you say to hillary clinton and what would you say to donald trump? >> i'd say to hillary clinton you've been emphasizing a vision for the future of the country, share things in a way that help people walk away saying i can see her in the oval office and she's got a vision. for donald trump, it is similar. stay away from the ad hoc and impromptu. his goal, her job is to persuade. in a time you want change, you want me, stability and continuity. for him it is, reassurance that i represent change, you all know
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that, but in a time you're a little concerned about me, i want to come off as the guy who had that news conference in mexico city, or went to detroit and met with people at the black church, and the guy who reads off the teleprompter, not the guy who tells bob costas, i don't know, or says on -- in miami, take away her security details, go ahead and see what happens. >> and what if, and you have to assume at some point the moderator is going to bring up the things, the terrible things they've said about each other. what's the danger to the degree -- they've both said the other one is unfit. >> well, look, again, what's your goal? your goal ought to be, of course we say tough things. that's the way american politics is. >> do you not want to make the contrast at all? >> you want the contrast by being more about you than them. you want to spend more time emphasizing what you're about
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rather than what they're about. >> wow. that sounds like a really biased debate. >> it will be quieter than the ones in the primaries. it will be interesting to see how donald trump performs where there's no audience to egg him on and cheer and roar. >> there's an audience, but i will tell you, they are strictly told quiet. don't say anything and leave it to the millions of american voters to watch and decide. thank you, panel. see you next sunday. up next we'll talk with george clooney about his effort to end atrocities and corruption in the world's newest nation. oo
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south sudan is the world's newest nation, but it faces an age old problem, massive corruption. the country's leaders and war lords are battling over south
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sudan's wealth, while millions of its people are caught in the cross fire. george clooney and a human rights activist are leading an effort to stop it. and this week we talked with them. >> the president and the ousted vice president are engaged in massive corruption that leads to violence and starvation and that, i think, is a pretty amazing thing to be able to come forward with. >> two years ago clooney put together an investigative team trying to unravel how south sudan's leaders are looting its wealth. to understand what's going on, you need to know the players. the country's president. >> beautiful houses, hidden wealth, he should know.
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his official salary is $60,000 a year, but among the getaways is this elegant villa in an upscale community in nairobi, kenya. >> and the deposed vice president who kir drove from office. >> he's no innocent victim. he's been playing the same dirty game. machar tried to sell off the country's oil to a russian arms dealer in return for deadly weapons. while his family lives in different homes outside south sudan far from the war zone. the two of them have spent the last few years stealing money from their own people, using that money to fund militias to kill one another to try to seize power and with that power be able to procure contracts, military contracts, for instance, oil contracts, that they could then steal more money. the reality is, every time we looked at it, you know, you'll say this is just ethnic or is this in some way religious or
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what is the argument here, and the reality is, it is all about corruption and it's all about money. >> they are stealing lots of money, as much as $4 billion. >> most of it's oil revenue, military contracts, that kind of thing. they are stealing the same way that we've seen it over the years and in the same way you'd see a lot of african countries that we've seen before, which is you steal it by saying, okay, well i'm going to offer you military contract and you're going to give me an insane kickback. in some ways you're stealing to hold power and you're holding power to steal. little of both. >> what is it doing to the millions of people in south sudan? >> fairly rich country in a strange way, they have a lot of oil, they have mineral rights, a lot of things, some gold. the people aren't getting any of that money, you know, there's so much of this money going out of the country and not to the people, the people who deserve it. >> john, you and george have set
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up this organization called "the sentry," what is it? >> the private sector attempt to follow the money, to build a team of financial forensic investigators, who are burrowing into these systems of corruption, that allow in a number of countries in east and central africa, which is the deadliest war zone in the world, that allow literally billions of dollars to be offshored through banks and real estate and other kinds of companies and all kinds of things in the international financial system. so we took a step back and said where are their vulnerabilities? the vulnerabilities are in their wallets. >> you can't shame them, but you can take their money and that changes everything. >> the international institutions that do follow the money for national security issues, for terrorism and for nuclear proliferation issues and things like that, they get their hands full right now. the last thing they are going to be doing is chasing assets in
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east and central africa, so we set up our own team of people who do that kind of work, exofficials from the fbi and treasury and other kinds of entities and put dossiers together and put them over to agencies that can actually take action against them. >> what we're really talking about is, the use of that money and the need to collect that money being manifesting itself in incredible amounts of violence, rape, starvation, the tools of atrocities, and with absolutely no regard for the basic citizenry, just for themselves. >> you met with president obama today. what are you asking him and other world leaders to do? >> we're not going to them and saying surprise, this is something they deal with, you know, every single day, they have a conversation about it. >> what clooney wants is for the
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u.s. and other countries to use the same tools in south sudan they use against terrorists and rogue regimes, sanctions freezing the key players out of the international financial system. but you say bottom line war crimes shouldn't pay. >> right. yeah. that's true. our job is to be the advocates, to keep pushing and poking with a stick all of the parties that we feel. that's the u.n., that's the justice department, that's the treasury department, that's the executive branch. our job is to poke with a stick everybody we can knowing it's a long, slow process, but it is a process we believe we can succeed with. >> the last time i talked with the two of you, you were pushing for independence for south sudan from sudan. what went wrong?
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>> this is not a failed state, but it can be. that there's a possibility for this never to work. >> the thing that wasn't addressed, the missing ingredient in the international response once south sudan did get its independence was a serious effort to counter corruption. we've never in africa used the treasury department's tools and the patriot act's tools related to anti money laundering for issues outside of terrorism in africa. >> this is the part of the interview where i ask why should our viewers care? is there some larger geopolitical issue here or is it as simple as these people need help? >> the reality is, why everyone should care at home is this, a failed state opens a vacuum and
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inside a vacuum we have seen what these influences can be. and those influences can absolutely come home to roost for us as we know, as we've seen. the reason to do this is we're not talking about spending a lot of money. in fact, we're doing most of the money spending right now. we're raising the money and spending it. we're just giving this to the state department, the justice department, to the treasury, people like that, to follow up. what we're saying is, let's stay on this because what we cannot let happen is this to fall apart. and in its stead a lot of bad actors can come in and a lot of bad things can happen from that that can come to our shores. >> i can't let this interview pass without asking you a little politics. >> i figured you were going to. >> you raised millions of dollars for hillary clinton. have you no use for donald trump. i want to ask you a bigger question.
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what do you make of our politics today? >> that's a good question. it's frustrating. i grew up as a democrat in kentucky in the '70s, so, you know, i grew up in a place -- i was a minority. i didn't move to hollywood and become a democrat. but it wasn't as contentious and there wasn't the idea that once one party got power that nothing was going to happen from the other side, that they were going to just stop things cold. i worry about that. i think that's dangerous. it's a funny thing, odd for me to be on the same side of an issue as bill kristol and charles krauthammer and george will and people like that. usually we're not on the same side. i feel as if we need to get away from the divisiveness we're stuck in right now and the fear that we're playing off of. you know, we cannot be driven by
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fear into an age of unreason if we look deep in our history and remember that we are not the descendants of feefl people. i think that's an important part of it. i think that's important to remember as we go forward. >> john, george, thank you. pleasure. always. >> thank you, you too. up next our power player of the week, a look at the smithsonian's newest museum filling a huge gap in the story of america.
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it's the hottest ticket in washington, but this week we got a special sneak preview of the national museum of african-american history and culture. the grand opening is next saturday featuring president obama, but we got a tour from our power player of the week. >> i am humbled, emotional. in fact, i'm very emotional.
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>> lonnie bunch is director of the new museum. when the doors open next weekend people will be stunned, but its historical sweep and emotional power. it takes you back in time to when the first slafbs were brought to this country. and then shows how an oppressed people endured and thrived. what do you hope people will take away from this museum? >> the story of the civil rights movement is not a story of simply african americans struggling for freedom, it's the notion of expanding freedom for all americans. >> there's a slave cabin from south carolina where a dozen blacks were crammed in together. and one of the few relics from the 1921 tulsa race riot where whites destroyed what was then the black wall street. >> a family whose house was burned went back in and the only thing they could recover were four charred pennies. but the family kept those pennies for generations tells a lot about how important that memory was. >> but bunch hopes the museum
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gives people a sense of attention from times of tragedy and triumph. he showed us a segregated railway car from the era of jim crow. >> in this era, you would walk through the front, so you actually see the white community, then you go through a swinging door that says "colored" and you'd be in the back where the african-americans would be. >> then he took us upstairs to an exhibit called game changers. >> you get someone like muhammad aliay here's his athletic career but here's what he meant beyond that. >> i got to stop. jackie robinson's jersey, jackie robinson's bat. >> to be honest, that's the best part of my job that i actually get to hold jackie robinson's jersey. >> we met bunch back in 2012 when he'd already been leading this daunting project for seven years. >> let's just say at 8:00 in the morning i have the best job in america and at 2:00 in the morning it's the dumbest thing i've ever done. >> now it's a reality. the exterior is bronze ironwork, echoing what slaves created in
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charleston and new orleans. in a city of white stone, it makes a statement. >> what we wanted to do was not to create something, a black museum, but to hint at the notion that there has been this dark presence that we need to always now consider and understand. >> the museum opens as the conversation about race is charged, with talks of black lives matter. bunch hopes this will be a healing place. >> it's not concrete and glass, it's not even the artifacts. it's the souls of so many people whose stories we're trying to tell, whose lives weren't considered the stuff of history, but we want to make that happen. if we do this right, america will have a chance to understand itself in newark and fuller and maybe more complex ways. >> tickets are free to the museum but demand is so high all passes are gone through october. if you want to see the exhibition, and trust me, you do, tickets from november on are
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available online through the museum's website. and that's it for today. have a great week. and we'll see you next "fox news sunday."

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