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they were building thousands of new hospital that's what was going on. that's why the cdc and cms made those decisions. and at the time cdc, cms, they were white house task forces, there were daily briefings, everyone was focused on this issue. this was not a little issue. all the best minds were looking at it. fact: of the 613 nursing homes -- we have 613 nursing homes in the state. 365 received a person from a hospital. of the 365 that received a person from this march 25 guidance, which was then superseded in may, 98% of those
365 already had covid in their hot facility. covid did not get in to the nursing homes by people coming from hospitals. covid got into the nursing homes by staff walking in to the nursing home when we didn't know we had covid. staff walking into a nursing home even though they were asymptomatic because the national experts told us, you could only spread covid if you had symptoms. they were wrong. covid may have been brought into a nursing home because visitors brought it in. and didn't know that they were contagious because the guidance was you can only be contagious if you have symptoms, if you're sneezing, coughing.
that turned out to be wrong. that's how covid got in the nursing homes. 98% of the people that took a person back from a hospital who was probably no longer contagious already had it in the facility. and they signed and agreed that they could handle it because they already had people that had covid in the nursing home. if you look at the rate of death before the march 25 order and after the order was rescinded, the rate of death is the same. by the way, if you look at the rate of death in the nursing homes, in the spring overall and in the second surge, the winter full surge the rate of death is the same. these decisions are not
political decisions. they're all made on the best information, the medical professionals have at the time. in new york, we talk to the best experts on the globe. i've said to the people of the state many times, nobody has been here before. nobody knows for sure. covid is new. they're all giving you their best advice at the time. and these are really quality people. dr. fauci, all the main institutes that were giving advice to the nation. we add people come from the world health organization that dealt with china that came to albany literally to advise us. we're blessed to have dr. howard zucker as our physician. he trained at johns hopkins, served at hhs, who, nih, teaches
at columbia and yale university. if we had to pay him what he was worth, we couldn't afford it. and he gave his best advice on the information that he had at the time. i would trust dr. zucker with my mother's care. that's why i trust him with your mother's care. i wouldn't have anyone who is the health commissioner who i wouldn't trust with my mother, and that's why i trust him with your mother. to be clear, all the deaths in the nursing homes and in the hospitals were always fully publicly and accurately reported. the numbers were the numbers always.
people did request information beyond the place of death, not just where they -- how many in a nursing home, not just how many in a hospital. they did request different categoizations beyond those counts. how many people died, who were in a nursing home but then went to a hospital. how many people died who were in a hospital but went back to a nursing home. how do you count presumed covid deaths? everyone was busy. everybody was here every day. we're in the midst of managing a pandemic. there was a delay in providing the press and the public all that additional information. there was a delay. what did we learn from this entire situation? we're still learning there are hospitals that perform well and
hospitals that perform less well. we still see hospitals performing less well. when you look at the vaccination numbers, hospitals with the same demographics of work force in the same region with different vaccination rates of their staff, that is -- there were nursing homes that performed well and nursing homes that did not perform as well. we have to learn from it and we have to correct it before we have another surge and another pandemic. by the way, we're going to have another pandemic. as i sit here, i would plan on it. yes, this was never seen before. yes, hospitals had to deal with something that they had never seen before. yes, nursing homes had to deal
with somebody they had never seen before. but they will see it again. now we have to learn from it before it happens again. our focus, i believe, is going to be under for-profit nursing homes. hospitals, but also in the for-profit nursing homes. i have long believed there's attention in a for-profit nursing home. because those institutions are trying to make money. if you try to make profit, it's too easy to sacrifice patient care. everything becomes one or the other. you want to hire more staff or do you want to make more profit? do you want to buy more ppe and stockpile more ppe or do you want to make more profit? do you want to buy new equipment, new beds, new sheets, new furniture, invest in the
facility or make more profit? that is a problem. and that has to be resolved legislatively. because i don't want to leave it to these for-profit owners to decide what is right, what is wrong. let's learn these lessons. we have to implement hospital reform and nursing reform and we have to do it in this budget cycle. covid is not done with it. we'll implement them now and propose them in 30-day amendments. if you're a for-profit nursing home, it should be mandated how much you put back into the facility and how much profit you can make. i believe that. nursing home -- hospitals that have these issues, they have to improve and we have to take it into consideration when this is
surged. if there's an influx into hospitals, not all hospitals can handle it equally. that is why you saw some hospitals fail. if you can do it all over again, just rewind the tape. i understand the public had many questions and concerns and the press had many questions about nursing homes primarily. and i understand that they were not answered quickly enough. they should have been prioritized to prioritize those requests sooner. i believe that. i understand the reasons. i understand that there was a lot going on. everybody was working 24 hours a day. everybody was overwhelmed. during the midst of dealing with the pandemic and trying to save lives. they were answering doj. and nursing homes and the
hospitals were also in the middle of hell and the middle of a pandemic. they were scrambling and managing the crisis. i understand all of that. but the void we created by not providing information was filled with skepticism and cynicism and conspiracy theories which further the confusion. nature abhors a vacuum. so does the political system. you don't provide information, something will provide the information. most of all, the void we created allowed disinformation. and that created more anxieties for the families of loved ones.
i've had hundreds of conversations. people couldn't get into the facility to see their loved one. they couldn't get them on the phone. they couldn't get staff on the phone to get answers. they were powerless. they were helpless. they were literally physically removed and isolated. loved ones died alone. loved ones died alone. fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters died alone. it was horrific. it was horrific. and then the void and information that we created started misinformation, disinformation, conspiracy theories. now people have to hear that. they don't know what is the truth.
the truth is everybody did everything they could. the truth is you had the best medical professionals and advice on the globe. the truth is it was in the middle of a terrible pandemic. the truth is covid attacks senior citizens. the truth is with all we know, people still dying in nursing homes today. people still die every day. we're testing the staff twice a week. there's no visitation. people still die. you would have to hermedically seal a nursing home -- they actually tried this in france. anybody can bring it in. a delivery man brings it in.
the heating repair man brings us in. the food service brings it in. staff person goes home has -- meets with their family. someone in the family has their staff member come back. the staff members brings it in. even when you test twice a week. twice a week. you'll get people that have it and miss them in twice a week. that is the reality but not providing the information creates the void. the void allowed misinformation and conspiracy. not people are left with the thought that my loved one was left to die. that was a brutal question to pose to a person. and i want everyone to know,
everything was done. everything was done by the best minds and the best interests. and the last thing that we wanted to do, the last thing that i wanted to do was to aggravate a terrible situation. there is no good answer when you lose a loved one. i lost my father years ago. i still go through it over and over again, what should i have done? what could i have done? what could i have said to the doctor? i probably always will. last thing i wanted to do was to aggravate that for anyone. with that, let's take questions. >> thank you, governor. if you'd like to ask a question use the raise hand function at
the bottom of your window. >> governor, your first question comes from steve burns at wcbs 880. your line is open. unmute your microphone. >> governor, can you hear me? >> hi, steve. happy president's day. >> same to you and everyone there. thank you. a couple of questions for you. first, regarding the nursing home information, given that the explanation has been that there was the doj request that had to be handled first, the legislature, i've seen a few tweets from lawmakers saying -- >> we're into the assist q&a. we want to bring in someone watching this compelling news conference with governor cuomo who has been under a ton of
pressure. we're joined -- the democrat senate stork assembly man, ron kim, whose father died in a nursing home after he battled covid last year. kim is a growing number of democrats that are now pushing back against their own governor in the wake of what appears to be a cover-up in new york as nursing home deaths escalated in that state. cuomo's team hid data because they feared it would be used against them. assemblyman kim will join us in just a moment. but first, bryan llenas. this is the first time that we've heard from the governor since wednesday. after that, this story broke. bryan, what can you tell us? >> we've heard the press conference like our viewers have the last 20 minutes or so in which the new york governor, andrew cuomo, responded to this report that we know that his top
aide, melissa derosa lasts week spoke to top democrats telling them that they withheld the nursing home death data because they were afraid it would be used against them by the trump administration politically. that set off a firestorm. what the governor has been speaking about the last 20 minutes is that well, he's been explaining to us again many of the things why the directives were put in place requiring nursing homes to take in covid-infected patients from the hospital because the federal government issued to states with that quest. the trump administration denied that. they said they should have done more to making sure that they were going to nursing homes that could take care of these folks. and then he said this. >> i understand fully how difficult it has been.
i want to make sure people have all the facts, the facts. the information. this past year there is a toxic political environment. everything gets politicized. there's political spin and then there are facts. >> of course, that's the governor talking about how political spin is leading to disinformation about what he says is a nonstory here, a noncontroversy in terms of what his administration has done. in fact, we just told you that his top aide told democrats that the reason why they withheld data is politically motivated. they did not -- they fear that it would create attacks and weaponize political attacks from the trump administration. we have democrats and republicans, a bipartisan effort in new york calling for him to resign, to be impeached or at
least have an investigation, particularly they're interested in making sure that they strip him of his emergency powers that he has in governing the state in the midst of this pandemic. here's a republican congresswoman that spoke to you earlier today. >> i want to see subpoenas at the state level and state assembly should issue them immediately and i want the department of justice to launch an independent investigation. >> antonio delgato says he thinks there should be a full investigation as well. the bottom line is at the heart of this, there are democrats and republicans that believe that the administration withholding this information for months and stonewalling requests to release more information about the nursing home crisis led to the decision being made by policy makers that could -- would have been different had they known the full scope of the tragedy
cuomo today in the last 20 minutes saying we did the best we can at the time in which his policy was enacted in march. there was an issue with hospital space and that's why they told people, you know, they tried to get hospitals and free up space there. there's questions as to why they didn't use the javett center and the comfort ship. so much of the same of what we're hearing from the governor. >> bill: the same question we've been asking. never an answer. thanks, bryan llenas reporting in new york on this breaking news this afternoon. here exclusively is state assemblyman, ron kim. he's part of a push to hold governor cuomo accountable and part of the assembly's aging committee. this is a subject near and dear to your heart. thanks for being here, assembly man. what did you make of the governor's response? >> he didn't address the core problem that we're dealing with.
is secretary derosa came to us and told us those things, i think we could have disagreed and we could have argued back. but that's not what she did. that's not what she told us. the moment that the secretary admitted governor cuomo directed his administration to cover up information to avoid a federal investigation, this no longer became a private conversation among democrats to go over a question. they implicated all of us listening in to that hall to their cover-up. as state lawmakers, this is not about being a democrat or republican or whichever party you're from. we have a morale duty to speak up against their egregious actions and hope everyone is held accountable, even the governor. >> you know, this started to unravel for governor cuomo. he made this statement on
january 29 at sort of a news wreck of a conference. watch his statements january 29th. >> we're below the national average in number of deaths in nursing homes. but who cares? 33, 28 died in a hospital, died in a nursing home. they died. >> so around that time, laticia james, the democrat attorney general that worked in the governor's administration, she came forward and raised real questions about account ability and the decisions that were made. you say that you might have shed a few tears. it was so big for you when that happened. that you saw sort of the dam breaking here on this. why was that? >> yeah, martha. thank you for bringing that moment up. i've been working on this since the beginning of the pandemic. my constituents came to me crying in early april that there's covid spreading inside
of nursing homes and they can't talk to their mothers, their face. they're being kept out. during that time, martha, as i'm helping my constituents, my uncle died of presumed covid at a local nursing home in queens. i was like oh, we just saw him in january. he couldn't have covid. the next thing you know, two, three days he passed away alone suffering. governor cuomo tries to empathize. that he knows how that feels. he doesn't know how that feels. the governor's mother is well off, protected in her home. she goes not represent the thousands of, you know, immigrants and minority and all sorts of communities that have loved ones, that are still stuck in nursing homes that worried that the governor and the administration is hiding information about life and
death. >> so that report came out from laticia james. it was compounded with the phone call that you were on for democratic lawmakers when melissa derosa said, she said in addition to attacking cuomo's democratic governors trump "directs the department of justice to do an investigation into us and we froze. we were then in a position if we weren't sure we were going to give -- what we were going to give them was going to be used against us." so he's saying today, that's not the way it sounds. what really happened is we had a state investigation, a doj investigation so we held back on the seat numbers while we addressed the doj. he said over and over assembly man, we did the best we could. these people how they died and that directive came out didn't change. this is what happened. it attacks older people.
he said as much as everybody wants to blame somebody, it's not his fault. has anything changed based on what you just heard? >> i think that's the talking point, the script that they want to tell us. oh, let's go take care of the federal inquiry first and then we'll get to you. that's why it was delayed. but that's not what we heard. that's not what she said. she even prefaced it by saying i'm going to tell you the truth. this is the whole truth. i mean, it was almost as if it was in that movie with jack nicholson in "a few good men". you want the truth? i'll tell you the truth. she went on to talk about the department of justice. so once we hear that, there's no undoing. we have a responsibility as an institution. it's not about the governor and melissa anymore. it's about protecting assembly and senate, the democratic institutions to make sure that we do our job and we make sure
that we push back and hold the executive accountable if they did -- if they did such actions which is hiding information about life and death from older adults in new york. >> you couldn't be more right. one of the questions i asked all along when we saw the u.s. naval ship comfort docked here. i remember when it sailed up the hudson river and into the harbor. we saw all of these patients that had covid in the hospital being sent back into the nursing homes. people asked questions right away, why was the javett center not used? >> yeah. even before that, the governor keeps saying we very to make space for the hospitals. all the data points that we weren't at full capacity. we gave away ventilators. so what happened between march 25 and the end of may? why did it take so long for the
executive to change course but every other state recognized the fatal mistake they made by sending covid positives in nursing homes? they immediately changed course. took us almost two months before the governor decided to change. a month later at a press conference, he said he didn't know about it. he lied. so it's like he's lying right now to today's press conference about sending notices to the assembly and senate that we knew about the department of justice investigation. we were not told there was an investigation. >> i remember the body bags that were stacked up in the trucks outside of nursing homes. i think one of those was in staten island. stay with us. this is getting interesting. >> next question, operator.
>> dennis? >> governor, can you hear me. >> yes, sir. >> i have two questions. going back to the doj request. it was not initially a probe. it was a request for probe. it was asking about state-run facilities. i'm curious when you informed the legislative leaders about your response to that and how that would slow down your responding to the state legislators questions that were posed earlier that month. >> the first request was for public nursing homes, the second request was for private nursing homes. we told the legislature we had the request and told them that we gave that request precedence. more than anything, it was just a capacity issue. remember, at the same time we're
managing the pandemic. that's what everybody was doing. and these things all take time. the number 1 priority was saving people's lives every day. >> if i could add on top of that we received this inquiry august 26. it was just a request for information. it was public nursing homes, which are five state-run facilities as well as a number of county-run facilities. data had to be collected and reviewed for a number of nursing homes. i believe it was 26 nursing homes that we provided voluminous information. all of it had to be verified. >> dennis, a second question? >> yes. going back to the story today about the budget negotiations and some lawmakers talking about the threat of subpoena or, you know, rescinding your emergency
powers. you touched on this earlier. curious to your response to that and, you know, have you spoken to the legislative leaders about this? >> yes. that is a crime. you can't say -- i'm a former assistant attorney. you can't use that to leverage a person. that is a crime. it's called abuse of process, it's called extortion. so of course before, it was recall politics. no, it's not raw politics. it's criminal. and there are -- i don't know the facts. i wasn't in the room. but in the room, you have lawyers. you have former prosecutors that were in that room. they know what is illegal. but no, i didn't talk to the leaders about it. next question.
>> next up, we have marsha cramer from wcbstv. please unmute your microphone. >> can you hear me? >> hi, marsha. happy valentine's day. >> several members of the legislature, some republicans, some democrats have asked to be an investigation of what happened. if that investigation was done, it might be done by the attorney general. you're a former attorney general. if you were in this situation and looked at this pattern, would you open an investigation of what has happened so far? if there was an investigation and the attorney general agreed with everything that you said that it would help clear the air? >> marsha, i don't think there's anything to clear here. it is a fact that the state
legislature did a request, we told them we were not going to address the request at that time, that we were going to honor the doj request first. we said that. that's a fact. there's nothing to investigate there. and then we provided information at the doj. there's nothing to investigate. i'm telling you, i agree to the legislature's point. they sent a letter. we said that we would deal with the doj first. i agree. they were told that. by the way, they could have objected. they can send a demand letter. they could have sent a subpoena and said we don't want to wait for doj.
they didn't do that. they understood that we were dealing with a pandemic and giving doj precedence. they were right in that. all the numbers we produced were right. we didn't provide all of the information that was requested that did create a void and misinformation did fill the void and that misinformation gave people aggravation and confused people and confused people that lost a loved one. allowed conspiracy theories to fester and aggravated people that lost a loved one. you don't know what to believe. that is the last thing anybody wanted to create. but it's not a legal question. >> so are you really saying that this is sort of the creation of a toxic political environment that has existed for several years in this country and in
this state? >> look, is the environment toxic politically? yes. was this happening last year were this toxic political environment? yes. and do i think that is part of the conspiracy theories that filled the void? yes. look, i understand politics. i was critical of president trump. i also worked for president trump. i get how strong the feelings are on both sides. but when you're talking about loved ones dying in nursing homes -- >> martha: we're going to keep a close eye on this. i want to bring in ron kim, new york state assemblyman. he was just asked -- he said you guys, legislatures, talking
about wanting an investigation. he said it's not necessary. all the numbers that he gave were accurate. according to our numbers, they went up by 40% from one report to the next. what do you -- what would you say to the governor if you were in the room right now? >> if there's nothing to hide, why don't they hand over the information when we ask for it? the information was available. they could have just disclosed it. but they chose not to. so there's a distrust among the public right now. this isn't about the governor. this isn't about any one person. this is about the 15,000 families that lost loved ones and the families that have loved ones at the nursing homes still suffering to give them a sense of justice and trust again in the united states ability protect them. so i do believe we need a thorough investigation, whether that be independent commission or the attorney general or the
federal government. that needs to happen as soon as possible. >> assemblyman kim, thanks very much. sorry for the loss of your family and so many other families in the stories that we keep hearing. thank you. >> thank you. >> martha: joining me know is see -- leo terrell. a fox news contributor and attorney. you've been listening in. the governor talked about the subpoena. the way they went about it's was illegal. you can never do that. what did you think of that? >> martha, thanks for having me on this subject. being a lawyer, governor cuomo sounds like a lawyer. he doesn't sound like a governor. he's excusing all the conduct that has been targeted to him. more importantly, he's saying these are the facts. he makes the assumption whatever comes out of his mouth is true. he makes two statements that are questionable. one, he said none of the nursing homes could have accepted any of
these patients without being in compliance. we don't know that. we don't know if they were accepting patients in noncompliance. remember, he had emergency powers. secondly, he said he was mandated like 13 other states to send patients back to nursing homes. march that he throws everyone under the bus saying he was following orders. he had the right to navigate, make sure the nursing homes were in compliance. and he threw profit nursing homes under the bus by saying we have to make sure they put safety over profits. i'm telling you right now, he sounds like a lawyer trying to weasel out of this situation. >> martha: so much of his entire last year has been spent patting himself on the back honestly. let's put the book cover up. he wrote a book how great a job he did handling this.
then he had a poster, an artistic poster showing how he flattened the curve to commemorate what a great job he has done. he has a lot on the line here, leo. he was heralded but now president biden. we heard jen psaki saying we're not really supporting or not supporting the governors. she baked off the praise then. got a lot on the line. >> absolutely, martha. you know what? i wish i was just asking him a couple questions. you have the military ship, the javett center out there. governor cuomo, tell me what prevented you with your emergency powers -- >> martha: i don't know why that question doesn't get out. >> i wish i was there as a lawyer asking. >> martha: i do, too. >> neil: i as a lawyer, i know what he's doing. those are lawyers tricks. >> martha: nobody said they have
to go back to the nursing home. >> no one did. >> martha: we know what was happening here. they wanted to flatten the curve and didn't get to the point where they were overflowing in new york city hospitals. you have the elderly people from some of the stories that i heard had do not resuscitate orders. nothing we can do for them. so they send them back to the nursing home. he saying by the time they got back, they were over covid. how do you know that? he said people went be a to nursing home. it was the workers that brought it in. how do you know that? why? it was so impressive when the comfort pulled up on the hudson river. an amazing ship. a wonderful place for people to get better. they sent it back empty. how much money was spent on the javett center. why not put them in these big wide open spaces? i don't get it. >> exactly. you and i should be asking the
questions. he threw trump under the bus. trump brought the ship there. make sure there were ventilators. he threw trump under the bus. threw everyone under the bus. he's an artful lawyer. but he's a lousy governor. you know, people like janice dean and many people lost their loved ones because he had absolute power with those emergency powers. there needs to be an independent investigation to have complete subpoena power to look at the records and the communications and the e-mails back and forth. >> martha: as assemblyman kim said, he's a democrat, he doesn't take any joy in criticizing the way the governor has handled this situation but he said it's not about him. it's about making sure that we have good governance and making sure that we take a look at what happened here as governor cuomo said sadly, this will happen again. we have to make sure that we learn from the mistakes that were made in some cases if
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given her own involvement in this story having lost her inlaws in nursing homes to covid in new york city. janice, as you listened to the governor this afternoon, your reaction. >> i am astonished. he continues to be a broken record, passing blame on everyone once again. it's conspiracy, it is -- he blamed the old people again for getting the illness because they're compromised. he blamed the nursing home workers. he said they had to take the -- they didn't have to take the covid positive patients. that was on them. it's the same thing, martha. it's like he has no one advising him to actually apologize and own up to his mistakes. we're not buying it anymore,
governor. the one thing i noticed today, he was nervous. you can tell his mouth was dry. the fact that he's -- he's a broken record which just makes me think he's a liar. he continues to lie and deflect and blame everyone else. he was the one that put that march 25 mandate in place for 46 days to put over 9,000 covid positive patients to the nursing home. one other thing. i spoke to a senior level in the justice department in december. i asked them point blank, did you receive any information from this governor or his administration? this is what he says, his aide had said, that they were putting all the information together. that's why there was such a delay for the democratic lawmakers. that's a lie. there's no information that this governor or his administration
gave to the doj. >> well, you know, just to go back to what she said, she said we froze. we were afraid about how we were concerned how it would look. it's very interesting that you spoke to someone that said no, we have not received anything yet. i also couldn't help -- you say he threw everybody under the bus and there's a lot of -- the media misunderstood this and nobody gets it. everybody else sort of is stupid. you know, we realize there's a lot of drama, emotion around this. i couldn't help but think that you've been a thorn in his side throughout the course of this. when he speaks that way about people that have been very forcefully speaking out on this, what is that like for you? >> he's a bully. we're confused. we don't know. of course we had a loved one. the only thing -- he cannot be
empathetic at all. my father died. he brings that up. his father did not die in a nursing home alone because his son had an executive order to put over 9,000 covid positive patients in the nursing home. this is why we need an independent bipartisan investigation into this governor and his administration. i'm calling on every single lawmaker in albany and also on the federal level. do you not see what is happening right now? do you not care about all of the people in new york state that want to find out why their loved ones died in nursing homes? he didn't follow the science. you don't put infected patients into nursing homes. that is the bottom line, governor. >> martha: janice, thanks very much. we're glad to get your thoughts on it. looks like there are going to be investigations and those investigations are likely to ramp up. he was clearly under the
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squad car and abandoning the precinct in the middle of the riots. the precinct was flooded on the inside. they pulled the files down, knocked everything over. it was a mess in that precinct that night when they left it behind. and then you have the council. of minneapolis tweeting, this yes, we are going to dismantle the minneapolis police department and place it with a transformative new model of public safety. later people that called 911 said they called 911 and expected the police will come. she said they were operating out of white privilege and thinking that that would be the necessary chain of events in any city or community across the country. so the department had an exodus of police officers. and now very sadly, homicide rates in indianapolis are up 70%. the mayor and his council are now calling for help.
they say they have $6 million in the budget to bring the police back. the move comes as the city braces for the upcoming trial of the officer, derrick chauvin who was charged in the death of george floyd. chad, good to have you here with us today. your reaction to what is going on now and their desire to get police on the streets again. >> this goes to show you that the defund the police movement was a failure. you look at what the communities are looking at. take law enforcement off the street, you will see more crime in those communities. at the end of the day, violent individuals are opportunists. they see an opportunity where there's less law organization, officers on the street, they're going to take the opportunity to take certain actions.
until we see that in minneapolis and other cities across the country. what this is saying is that you need more law enforcement. you need to held them accountable and transparency. the idea of reducing law enforcement presence in communities around the country is not the right action. again, the actions that minneapolis is now taking shows you, again, the failure of that thinking, the failure of that moment. >> i don't know how you'll convince people to come back to the police force. they've been villified. the idea saying that they backed law enforcement, blue lives matter, that that is controversial. you had so many people that threw up their hands and turned in their badges and say if we're not going to get any respect, why would we do this job in how are they going to get people to come back? >> you're right. something that i talked about over the summer. one of the consequences of this defund the police movement is
long-term retention of law enforcement. they won't come back overnight. if you'll vilify law enforcement day in and day out as we saw over the summer and far left poiticians continuing to attack them -- 99.9% are good individuals protecting the communities. you will have this backlash. people will look at other avenues and pursue other careers. that is unfortunate. what we need in law enforcement, the highest caliber of individuals. so you want to make sure that you continue to recruit and retain those folks. >> martha: an irony. you have the cities that chased away police officers. say they didn't need them. and this huge force of national guards surrounding the u.s. capitol fenced with barbed wire fences around our nation's capitol where people are used to working freely.
now there's a record that they need to extend beyond march to keep the people protected. they might be there in the fall according to some reports. what do you say to that? >> that is unfortunate. the intelligence will driver whether or not you need to keep a fortified armed presence in a city like washington d.c., which already has a lot of law enforcement presence. be careful about the signal that that sends. the other interesting note is soon after january 6, the first thing folks on capitol hill was to do is put up a fence, put up a wall to protect themselves. these are the same individuals that for the past four years have been talking about how terrible fencing and physical infrastructure is particularly on the southern border. these are the same individuals that say they need the same infrastructure now around the capitol that protected them and their staff, which is very
hypocritical. you need to look long-term on the intelligence of what is -- what they see as far as a threat to the capitol. >> martha: it's a hashish irony. thanks, chad. a lot of breaking news. we'll see you tomorrow. "your world" with jerry baker starts now. thanks, everybody. >> thank you, martha. new york democratic governor andrew cuomo has been addressing accusations all about covid cover-up. he's denying it. will what he said change the mind of 14 state democrats on his own party that are pushing to restrict him of his emergency powers? could the cdc guidelines on school reopenings lead to more closings? find out what former trump task force member admiral brett gerard is saying. we're reminding something was