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we'll have it for you. "fox news sunday" with chris wallace is up next. i'm mike emmanuel, thanks so much for watching. have a wonderful sunday afternoon. ♪ chris: i'm chris wallace. former president trump set to make his first public appearance since leaving office as the republican party tries to figure out its future. ♪ ♪ chris: the gop facing an identity crisis at the conservative political act conference in orlando. >> in the face of this mortal threat to our nation and our very existence, some prefer to fan the flames of the civil war on our side. that's foolish and it's ridiculous. chris: we'll ask florida senator rick scott, who's in charge of trying to win back the senate for republicans, about his call for party unity.
then, president biden's covid relief package passes the house. >> if we act now, decisively, quickly and boldly, we can finally get ahead of this virus, we can finally get our economy moving again. chris: but democrats face a big setback in their bid to boost the minimum wage. we'll discuss the critical week ahead with white house press secretary jen psaki. plus, the president takes his first military action as commander in chief, ordering an airstrike on iranian-backed militias. we're joined by senate intelligence committee chair mark warner. then, mr. biden's moves on immigration face sharp pushback as he stamps out trump's policies. we'll ask our sunday panel about the new crisis on the border. ♪ chris: and power player of the week, a now on "fox news sunday."
♪ muck -- ♪ ♪ chris: and hello again from fox news in washington. the center of the political universe today is orlando, florida, and the annual conservative gathering at cpac. while a parade of 2024 hopefuls has addressed the crowd, the main event is former president trump's first public appearance since he left office more than a month ago. insiders will be watching closely not only for what mr. trump says about his political future, but also where he sees the republican party headed over the next few years. perhaps the biggest immediate issue, whether he intends to work with or against the gop establishment. in a moment we'll speak with florida senator rick scott, head of the national republican senatorial committee, charged with winning back the senate for the g work p in 2022 -- gop in
2022. but first, mark meredith reports from orlando where conservatives are eagerly awaiting mr. trump's big speech. >> reporter: former president trump is expected to get a hero's welcome when he addresses cpac this afternoon. >> we're not going anywhere. we're trump nation, and we are here to stay. >> reporter: all weekend some of trump's staunchest supporters have called for the 45th president's agenda to remain the republican party's platform. >> let me tell you this right now, donald j. trump ain't going anywhere. >> america first is now positioned to guide our country through the trials and tribulations of the next generation. >> reporter: today trump is not expected to announce plans for a run in 2024, but other potential presidential hopefuls appear to be testing the waters. from rallying behind lifting lockdowns -- >> florida got it right, and the lockdown states got it wrong. [cheers and applause] >> i don't know if you agree with me, but dr. fauci is wrong
a lot. [cheers and applause] >> reporter: -- to pushing back against the democratic agenda. >> i hear president biden say america's back. [laughter] back to what? >> they are more focused on renaming abraham lincoln high school than they are opening up so kids can go back and learn there. >> reporter: some high profile republicans avoided the conference including former vice president mike pence who declined an invitation to speak. minutes before trump's speech today, c pac is going to announce the results of its straw poll. attendees have been asked who they'd like to see as the 2024 republican nominee. given the crowd we've seen all weekend long, trump should do very well. chris? chris: mark meredith reporting from cpac in orlando, thanks for that. and joining us now from florida, senator rick scott who, as we said, has the job of trying to win back a gop senate majority next year. senator, welcome back to "fox news sunday."
>> chris, it's nice to be back. cpac was fun. i got to go there on friday. i talked about the republican civil war is canceled. if you get out of d.c. and talk to people, they're focused on what the biden administration is doing and what republicans speak for, and that's what i'm going to do -- chris: let me pick up, let me pick up on that. you said the republican civil war is now canceled, but let's look at the divide just this weekend about cpac. here are some of the republican leaders who were, who either weren't invited or chose not to attend. leader mcconnell, nikki haley, and listen to this split among house leaders. >> [inaudible] >> yes, he should. >> i don't believe that he should be playing -- [inaudible] chris senate, that is not a united party. -- senator, that
is not a united party. >> well, if you look at what's on tv, you'd say, yeah, right, there's a division. but if you get out and talk to voters, i talk to voters especially in florida almost every day, and they're focused on what the biden administration's doing. they don't like open borders, they don't like killing the keystone the pipeline, men winning women's sporting events. they know the biden administration's not going to be good for jobs, so i'm going to make sure that in 22 the when we have the next elections we're going to vote on secure borders, job growth, supporting our law enforcement, school choice. that's why we're going to win. that's how i won my elections, you know, each of my elections was an issue election, and that's how you win. that's what we're going to do. it's not what tv is going to be saying about some in-fighting. chris: but this isn't just tv, senator. president trump is expected to stake his claim as the continuing leader of the republican party in his speech today, but you have top
republican leaders like liz cheney, like mitch mcconnell, like mitt romney who say that the president forfeited that because of his actions after the november election. so let me ask you, is this still donald trump's party? >> it's the voters' party. it always has been the voters' party. let's go back to 2010 in my primary. hillary clinton and the country endorsed my opponent, and i won. i talked to president trump about a week ago, and i told him this is my job: to help republican senators win all across the country. and he made a commitment to me to help me do that. i believe he's going to be helpful, but i think other republicans are going to be helpful. but on -- chris, it is your election. when you're running, you've got to do all the things. you've got to talk about the issues important to your state, you've got to do your grassroots, do all these things to make sure you win. you've got to get prepared for your debates. that's why we're going to win in '22. we're on the right side of the
issues, and the democrats are on the wrong side of the issues. chris: but -- and we'll get to that, i promise. but, you know, let's talk about trump and his continuing hold on the party. this is kind of a loyalty oath for the trump party. let me ask you a straightforward question, senator. did joe biden win this election fair and square? >> absolutely. joe biden is the president. we went through the constitutional process. joe biden won the election. now, do -- are there people who believe we've got to focus on making sure people feel comfortable the elections are fair? yeah. we need to have voter id. you need to prove citizenship. you need to show your social security. you can't have unmonitored ballot boxes. you've got to do things that make all americans feel comfortable that we should have 100% participation and 30% fraud. chris -- 0% fraud. chris: i want to pick up on that because there are a number of republican state legislatures which are talking about new voting restrictions, and i want to ask you about at least one of
them. in georgia the republican-controlled house has a bill that would limit early voting mostly to weekdays from 9-5, it would reduce the number of absentee ballot drop boxes, and it would restrict early voting on sundays when black churches hold get out the vote events. do you support making it harder for people to vote? >> of course not. i mean, we need to have -- we need to create a process that people can get out to vote, but we've also got to create a process where there's no fraud. people should not feel that their vote is ever diluted. so should you have ballot boxes that are unmonitored? no. should you have your vote in by election night? yes. should you keep counting the votes once you start seeing we get the results quickly? yes. should you signature match? yes. there are some basic things we should do, but we should create a processes where people get to vote but make sure no vote is ever diluted. chris: but, but let's pick up
because this specific, the one that struck me in the georgia bill, you know, i know that a lot of black churches hold get out the vote vents if -- vote vents, you go to church, then you go early voting. if you restrict voting on sunday, what reason is that other than trying to suppress the black vote? >> well, i want people to -- i want people to vote. we have voting on sunday in florida. you know, i think we a ought to have some national standards of what we expect to make sure we get so there's no fraud. you know, it worked in florida. we have a mail-in ballot system that works. i want these things -- i want people to vote. i tell people whether you going to vote for me or not, get out and vote, participate in the process. but i don't want people, i don't want people to feel like their vote was wasted because there was fraud. i mean, come on, unmonitored ballot boxes, no signature match, no voter id, those things don't make any sense. that's what i'm focused on.
chris: let me talk about another issue that you're going to face which is primary battles inside the republican party in 2022 which could make it harder, your job, to take back the senate for the gop. president trump has talked openly about endorsing primary candidates at all levels to run against gop incumbents. let me put up a few of those. he's going after georgia governor brian kemp, he just backed a challenger to republican congressman anthony gonzalez who voted to impeach hem, and this one affects you directly for the senate, he says he'll oppose senator john thune who's running for re-election. so will you support incumbents running in the senate, or would you support a trump challenger to that incumbent in the senate in 2022? >> i am supporting every republican incumbent in all the senate races. so i believe all of our incumbents are going to win. we have some open republican
seats, open democrat seats. i think we're going to get -- i trust the voters. look at ohio, we have, what, five or six great candidates that are, it looks like they're going to be in. we're going to have a great primary. i think we're going to have great primaries across the country, and i'm going to to be very aggressive to make sure we get back a majority. chris: finally, the $1.9 billion -- 1.9 trillion covid relief plan from president biden just passed the house. it's headed your way, to the senate, and president biden has taken to asking this question. take a look, senator. >> critics say the plan is too big. let me ask them a rhetorical question. what would you have me cut? what would you leave out? chris: senator, what is your answer? >> that's easy. boy, that's pretty easy. do we need to pay for bridges? does that anything to do with covid? tunnels for silicon valley, does
that do anything? if you look at what they're doing -- listen, if we're focused on covid, let's take care of the people that have lost their job, let's help our businesses, let's make sure we have plenty of tests and vaccines, get that out quickly. but this radical left stuff, first off, giving money to states when their revenues haven't gone down, we have $27 trillion worth of debt in this country. let's spend the money where we need to spend the money but stop wasting money. interest rates are going up, inflation is starts to kick -- starting to kick in. i want to help people, republicans want to help people. this is just a radical left-wing agenda that they're trying to cram through because they think they can tie it to covid. if they like the tunnel so much in california, do a separate bill, see if it passes. if they like the bridge for schumer in new york -- chris: all right. >> -- see if it passes. it wouldn't pass.
chris: senator scott, i had a feeling you'd have an answer to that question. thank you. [laughter] thanks for your time this morning. thank you, sir. >> see you, chris. have a good day. bye-bye. chris: up next, now it's the turn of senate democrats to pass president biden. 's covid relief package. what will they do about the $15 minimum wage? plus, white house press secretary jen psaki about that and more when we come right back. ♪
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relief bill has passed the house and is now on to the senate, but there are still plenty of hurdles there before vice president harris can cast the tie-breaking vote. in a moment we'll speak with white house press secretary jen psaki. but first, let's bring in david spunt traveling with the president in wilmington, delaware. david. >> reporter: chris, president biden is moving full steam ahead with his recovery plan, and he's doing it without republican support. >> now the bill moves to the united states senate where i hope it will receive quick action. we have no time to waste. >> reporter: the eyes of anxious americans are now on 100 senators poised to debate, then vote on the president's $1.9 trillion relief package. the white house hoped for bipartisan support, but in the house it was nonexistent. >> democrats are so embarrassed by all the noncovid waste in this bill, they are jamming it through in the dead of night.
>> reporter: democrats' bill would increase the minimum wage to $15 an hour, a major progressive priority. >> the $725 the minimum -- 7.25 minimum wage that exists now, in many instances, an exploitation of the american worker. >> reporter: but the senate parliamentarian ruled including it in the relief package would break senate rules. >> i think it'll pass if it doesn't have it in it, but i'll tell you, that's a big loss for the country. >> reporter: senate democrats are already working on plan b to force large companies to pay at least $15 an hour or pay a 5% payroll tax penalty. democrats want the entire plan signed into law before march 14th, that's when unemployment benefits run out. chris? chris: david spunt reporting from wilmington. david, thanks for that. and joining us now, white house press secretary jen psaki. jen, welcome back to "fox news
sunday." >> thank you, chris. thanks for having me on this morning. chris: president biden has taken to asking critics of his covid relief bill what would you cut. the nonpartisan congressional budget office says that more than one-third of the total bill, $700 billion, would not be spent this year, but would be spent between 2022-2031. so how does that qualify as covid relief? >> well, first, chris, the focus of the package is getting direct checks to the american people, getting vaccines in the arms of americans and insuring that people who need help at this very difficult time can get it. but people also have to plan. schools have to plan to reopen, they need to do budgetary planning over the course of years, businesses need to do that as well. so this package is meant to, of course, provide immediate, direct relief but also provide a
bridge to help us all get through this crisis. chris: but let's take one specific area that you just mentioned, schools. the bill would give $170 billion to schools from elementary through college, but the cbo projects that 95% of that money, again, won't be spent this year, but will be spent from 2022-2028. and let me drill down even further. $480 million of the covid relief bill according to the cbo would go to the arts, humanities, museums, libraries. again, what does that have to do with emergency covid relief and getting kids back into school this year? >> well, first of all, 90% of this package goes to address the twin crises we're facing right now, chris, which is getting the pandemic under control and helping the american people go back to work, helping them get
the relief they need to get through this period of time. schools are like businesses, chris. they need to budgetary plan over a period of time. some have to front-load changes whether it's to their facilities or insuring that if they have to hire additional teachers or bus drivers at this point -- chris: but we're talking about a -- [inaudible conversations] >> well, they have to plan over the period of time. i'm sure, i don't want my kids to be going to school where they have to fire teachers next year or won't be able to use the facility upgrades necessary, i should say, in order to insure they're going to school safely. that's exactly what is included in this package. chris: let me turn to another subject about the bill. now that the senate parliamentarian has ruled that the $15 minimum wage does not qualify under the budget rules, some senate democrats are talking about either using tax incentives or tax penalties to get corporations and small businesses to go there as part of the covid relief bill.
does the president support that? >> well, i think you're referring to senator sanders' proposal, chris, and we have not yet reviewed that proposal. but the senate -- the president supports exactly what senator sanders does which is increasing the minimum wage for the american people, for worker who are just trying to make ends meet, and he thinks that's long overdue. we're going to have to spend the next several days or weeks figuring out the best path forward, but he's committed to doing that. chris: you also had a busy week in foreign policy, and i want to talk about that. during the campaign candidate biden said that he promised to crack down on saudi arabia for the murder of jamal khashoggi. here he is. >> we were going to, in fact, make them pay the price and make them, in fact, the pariah that they are. there's very little social redeeming value of the, in the present government in saudi arabia. chris: and on friday u.s. intelligence agencies released
this report: we assess that saudi arabia's crown prince, mohamed bin salman, approved an operation in istanbul, turkey, toture or kill saudi journalist jamal khashoggi. couple of questions, jen. does the president still believe as he did back in november of 2019 that the crown prince was personally responsible, personally ordered the murder of jamal khashoggi, and if he does, why didn't he move to act against mbs personally? >> well, the president believes this was a horrific crime, and what we saw outlined in the unclassified report released, as you referenced, chris, is confirmation of the details of this crime, some that we've known for some time. and the president was an advocate for releasing that and abiding by our legal obligations. let me be very clear though, we took specific actions on friday. our objective is to recalibrate our relationships.
we've already taken steps to do that, make sure it's not a continuation of the last four years and prevent the horrific acts to happened to jamal khashoggi from ever happening again. that's why we put sanctions on the deputy head of the intelligence d., why we under the magnitsky act designated the saudi intelligence forces, why we've taken very specific steps, chris, to make sure we're sending a clear message to the world. and that's what we announced on friday. chris: but it isn't a clear message. in 2019 the president in a democratic debate said that he believed that mbs, the crown prince, personally ordered the murder of khashoggi. that's what his intelligence report says. i'm asking you now, does he personally believe that mbs ordered the assassination of khashoggi, and if he does, why not penalize him? he sanctions a bunch of other people, he doesn't sanction the
crown prince. >> well, first, let me be clear that behind the scenes there are a range of diplomatic conversations that make absolutely clear to the saudis and to others around the world that this is going to be a different kind of relationship. and our actions make that absolutely clear as well, chris. historically though, as you well know, you've been covering these issues for some time, the united states has not historically sanctioned the leaders of countries where we have diplomatic relations or even some where we don't. we understand that's a bar some are holng this to, but our objective here from the government, from the biden administration is preventing this from ever happening again. we also announced the khashoggi rule which gives power to the secretary of state to prevent foreigners who have shown they are going to threaten dissidents or journalists from traveling on a visa to the united states. this is a global issue and one we're going to be clear in sending a message about both privately and publicly, chris. chris: i am running out of time,
but i've got a couple of questions i really need to ask you. the president also ordered a military strike in eastern syria this week against iranian-backed militias. is he sending a message that there is a link between an iran nuclear deal and iran's activities in the region, that there can't be an agreement, there can't be successful diplomacy at the same time that iranian-backed forces are attacking u.s. personnel? >> chris, he's sending an unambiguous message that he's going to protect our men and women serving and our coalition forces. and that's exactly what he did with this strike. in terms of the iranian nuclear deal, we believe that the best path is a diplomatic path forward. we want to prevent iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. where that sits now is we're waiting, the europeans are waiting to hear back from the iranians on whether they will sit at the table and have that discussion. but the strike this week was specifically about responding to
threats and attacks that were threatening our troops and our men and women serving overseas. chris: the president -- or, rather, the biden administration this week reopened a migrant facility for children that was used under president trump, and that unleashed a storm of criticism as you know. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez tweeted: this is not okay, never has been okay, never will be okay no the matter the administration or party. now, you have distinguished between what you admit you are doing and what the trump administration is doing. i'm asking you a different question though. isn't the biden administration contributing to this crisis by reversing the trump policy which called for immediately returning migrant children who cross the country, unaccompanied children who cross the border by themselves?
border patrol officials are saying that you are creating a surgery and that by may -- a surge, and that by may we could see a bigger surge than during the worst moments of the 2019 crisis on the border. >> well, chris, the vast majority of families are turned away at the border. this is not the time to come, and we have been very clear about that. but our approach from the biden administration is that we think the most humane step we can take here to have these children unaccompanied, kids under 18, not send them back to take a treacherous path. it's a difficult choice, but that's one that we felt was the right one, the most humane one because these are kids. they're fleeing prosecution, they're fleeing difficult circumstances in their country, and our objective is to treat them humanely and to keep them safe. and the reason i should say that we opened this facility is because of covid, chris, as you know. and that's why it's open, because we want to keep these kids safe including at a time when we're facing a pandemic. chris: but aren't you by
changing the policy, aren't you encouraging some of these young people to come which means we're going to have a bigger crisis on the border? >> well, chris, we've been unambiguous and clear in the region this is not the time to come. and this is a difficult choice for everyone. but as a mother, as a parent i'm not going to support, nor would the president, sending kids under 18, some at the anal of 11, 12, 13 back on a treacherous trupp across the border -- trip across the border. these kids are coming alone, and this is a choice we've made because we feel it's humane, and we feel it's safe. the vast majority of any family that's coming together, any adults that's coming are turned away at the border because we have not had time to put in place comprehensive immigration policies yet at this point in time. chris: finally, when will the white house pull the nomination of neera tanden to be the budge director? budget director? >> well, chris, we remain
committed to fighting our hearts out for neera tanden. we believe she is the right person. she's qualified, she's experienced to lead the budget department. she brings unique experience as somebody who's lived through benefiting from a number of these programs, and she's worked on these issues for decades across the aisle. so we're going to keep fighting for it. we knew that some of these fights would be difficult, and this is certainly one of them, but she's going to have a number of continued engagements this week, and we're certainly hopeful we can get it across the finish line. chris: jen, there was lots to talk to you about. you guys made a lot of news this week. thank you. >> i know, we tried. thanks, chris. chris: up next, president biden takes his first action as commander in chief in syria and releases that report on the saudi crown prince. we'll talk with the chair of the senate intelligence committee about the emerging biden policy next.
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chris: there this week president biden was staking out new u.s. policy in the middle east. but at the same time, congress was still grappling with a shocking attack on the capitol last month. here to discuss it all, the chair of the senate intelligence committee, senator mark warper. senator -- warner. senator, the acting chief of the u.s. capitol police said this week that they intend to keep up enhanced security at the capitol at least through the president's speech to a joint session of congress sometime next month. from all the intelligence you see, is there a credible threat of another attack against the capitol? >> well, crust, in the public reporting this past week there were indications that some of the insurrectionist groups that stormed the capitol on january 6th potentially had interest in seeing if they can cause more destruction when president biden gives his state of the union. that's coming just from the
public reports. so i think it is appropriate that we keep that security in place. listen, i want, i want there to be a new regime. i'm the local guy. i live in northern virginia. capitol hill is, in a sense, my extended neighborhood. i want those fences to come down as soon as possible so that the american people can have access to their elected representatives, to see the halls of congress. but i was there january 6th when those insurrectionists were willing to trash our capitol, and if there is still valid intelligence that threat continues, we've got to get this balance right. it's one of the reasons why i think it's extraordinarily important that my committee, the intelligence committee, not with a backward look but forward-looking, look at these domestic violent extremists. there are oftentimes ties to similar groups in europe, often times the fact that they are amplified by russia. the direct every of the fbi,
chris way are, has said -- chris wray, has said a number of times this is a long-term national security threat to our country. chris: senator, let's turn to the intelligence community's assessment released this week that the saudi crown prince, mohamed bin salman if, was responsible, that he ordered the assassination of the journalist, jamal khashoggi. what do you think of the biden administration's decision not to impose sanctions on mbs, and i don't know if you noticed, but in the interview i just had with jen psaki, she declined to even repeat the president's contention during the campaign that he believed that mbs had ordered the assassination. >> chris, first of all, let's step back. you know, jamal khashoggi was a journalist, he tried to hold powerful people accountable, and that cost him his life. and i think if we look back particularly during the trump administration, mr. trump took his first trip to saudi arabia, he said business is open. matter of fact, donald trump
even complimented mbs, the saudi leader, for the kind of crackdowns that took place during donald trump's tenure. and this is a very messy neighborhood. saudi arabia, record towards dissidents, towards women have been pretty dreadful for decades. they are a key ally this in terms of our -- chris: sir, i just have to ask you -- [inaudible conversations] >> let me finish though -- chris: sir -- [inaudible conversations] >> -- intelligence committee. it was our intelligence committee that passed the law that made this report public. and i think what we've seen out of the biden administration is they've taken the first step of sanctioning those individuals around mbs. i think they need to keep open additional sanctions against mbs if we don't see a change in behavior. chris: then there was the u.s. airstrike in eastern syria this week against iranian-backed
militias. it seemed that in the obama administration they felt that the nuclear deal was so important that they didn't link it to iran's malign activities in the region. do you think that as the biden administration pursues diplomacy -- perhaps another nuclear deal -- that that should be linked to what iran does in the region, and specifically that you can't have diplomacy at the same time that iran is sponsoring attacks on u.s. personnel? >> oh, i think the iranians are always going to test a new putting our troops in iraq in harm's way, there needs to be punitive actions taken. and i think the biden missile launch was that appropriate pushback against the iranian proxies. there needs to be a guarantee that we're going to protect our troops. i think you can create a dual track where you guard our troops
but also potentially reopen conversations with the iranians. we will continue to press -- they will continue to press any opportunity they see, and i think the biden action was appropriate pushback. now, i wish the biden team would have given the congress greater warning. we got about a 15 minute heads up. i think it brings into question a whole new debate about the authorization of use of military force, something my friend tim kaine has been advocating for almost a decade now. we need to have that debate in congress. chris: senator, i've got a little over a minute left. i need a quick answer here. as we said, the covid relief bill is coming to the senate this week. were you concerned at all about the questions i asked jen psaki about billions of dollars, hubs of billions of dollars -- hundreds of billions of dollars that that wouldn't be spent for years, and where are you on the idea of trying to use the tax code e to get around the apartmentmently issue -- parliamentary issue and impose
somehow have to work outsourced in a way that may not be appropriate. chris: senator warner, thank you. thanks for coming in. please come back, sir. >> thank you, chris. chris: up next we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss the growing crisis at the southern boarder and what it means for president biden's overhaul of u.s. immigration policy. ♪
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>> this is not kids being kept in cages, this is kids -- this is a facility that was to opened that's going to follow the same standards as other hhs facilities. it is not a replication. certainly not. chris: white house press secretary jen psaki defending the biden administration's immigration policies against
critics who say he's dealing with migrant children the same way president trump did. and it's time now for our sunday group. cofounder of "the federalist," ben domenech, susan page of "usa today," and former congresswoman jane harman, director of the wilson center and author of the new book, "insanity defense: while our failure to confront hard national security problems makes us less safe." ben, what do you make of the white house contention that what they're doing, putting these kids in migrant child facilities, is different from what the trump administration did, and are they, in effect -- as i discussed with jen psaki -- are they creating a magnet for these unaccompanied minors to come over by saying that they can stay in the country? >> they absolutely are, chris. and i want to correct something that the white house keeps saying here about just reopening
this facility declaring, essentially, thats this is a limited action. they also have opened, you know, a new facility in texas, and they're going to be opening another one in del rio area because, within the coming days, because of the increases of numbers that we're seeing to levels that traditionally we don't see until later in the spring. this is a situation where the biden administration is dismantling the trump approach to the border, and that is having consequences, serving as a mag innocent, as you said -- mag innocent, as you said, for more people to come over. and we're only going to see this crisis continue to grow in the coming weeks and months. chris: susan, i want to pick up on that, that there is an impact from the biden decision to reverse the trump policy which was if you had unaccompanied -- this isn't kids being separated from families, these are unaccompanied minors, 12-18, 19 years old where before they would turn around and send them home, now they're saying you can
stay. some would argue more of them are going to close and, in fact, there's an alarming report this week from axios that border officials now projekyll that 13,000 unaccompanied minors will cross the border in may which would be worse than at any point in the crisis in 2019. >> so this is a good example of how governing is so much more difficult than politicking. so the biden administration has made it clear they've got a moral stance when it comes to immigration, but it has all these real-life consequences. while jen psaki talked about the difficult choices involved for the biden administration in making some of these calls on immigration, you could imagine the difficult choices that desperate parents are making in central america. and they've got to looked at these policies and say is this the the right time to come to the border, maybe it is the right time to send our kids to the border with the hopes that they get into a facility, get vetted, get moved to live with
relatives that are in the united states. this is not -- this is a problem now. i agree with ben, this is going to be a much worse problem in the next couple months especially as pro-immigration within the united states pressures the biden administration to do even more to implement the policies he talked about when he was a a candidate. chris: all right. let's turn to the u.s. airstrike on those iranian-backed militias in eastern syria a this week. here was a comment from defense secretary, general lloyd austin. take a look. >> we're confident in the targets that we went after. we know what we hit. we're confident that that target was being used by the same shia militia that conducted the strikes. chris: congresswoman harman, was this a good move by president biden? perhaps his first military action that we know of as commander in chief, and what
about the argument that as he moves to get back into a nuclear deal with iran, that any progress on diplomacy should be contingent on iran's actions in the region? and at the very least, that they're not attacking u.s. possessor snell. >> well, a couple of points, chris. and thank you for mentioning my book. i think this was a proportionate response and the right response. what i think was not adequate was the notice to congress. mark warner is right. both the gang of eight, which i used to be part of as ranking member on the intelligence committee, and the foreign policy committees of congress, joe biden would be screaming if he were chairman of that senate foreign relations committee, should have gotten fuller notice. it's also true that congress should do more to replace those authorizations to use military force enacted right after 9/11 that are completely irrelevant to what's going on now. we have done 40 military actions in 19 countries using the 2001
aumf which just applies anyway. i think it was the right thing. and on the malign activity of iran, i never believed that the agreement that was struck by the obama administration prevented us from calling iran on its malign activity. we should still be talking to iran, they should expect that we can walk and chew gum at the same time. hopefully they can do, and they have an election coming up, and i think this is smart action. chris: ben, what do you think we learned this week about president biden and particularly his foreign policy both from the airstrike on those iranian militia in syria and also from what we did and didn't do with regard to the saudi crown prince and the assassination and brutal murder of jamal khashoggi? >> well, circle back to what susan said, governing is harder than politicking, and i think on his reaction to the khashoggi
killing, i think that's a good example of that. this killing has been used, obviously, to create a big wedge or attempt to, between this normalization of -- with israel under president trump. i think that's going to continue to be a nagging issue. as it relates to the strike, i think the real question we should be asking is, is this a brushback, or is it a prelude to more involvement in the region? the american people, i think, have largely become convinced that we ought to have most of the solutions to those problems solved by the nations that are in that region and that america's foreign policy interests should shift to look up a little bit more at the rising china and other threats around the world that go directly to our national interests. but i think that's something that we don't really know yet in terms of what to expect from this biden administration and this question that remains open, i think, after this week's action. chris: you know, susan, it's so interesting, with obama, with trump the, now we hear with the biden administration they keep
saying we're going to get out of the middle east and focus on the pacific and take on china. they never seem to be able to get out of the middle east. >> yeah. well, you know, it's hard. foreign policy is tough. i think what we've learned this week about joe biden and foreign policy is pretty pragmatic. i mean, i think that's true with the situation with the saudis, unwilling to blow up our relationship with the saudis because of this horrific killing of a journalist working for an american newspaper. that is to the disappointment of some of his supporters, but it's to the relief of some in the foreign policy community. chris: thank you, panel. see you next sunday. up next, our power player of the week, a remarkable whiz kid racing through school and proving the sky's the limit. ♪ ♪ ur car insurance so you only pay for what you need? really? i didn't-- aah! ok. i'm on vibrate. aaah! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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because i know a lot of other children. >> today is decision day. >> to say caleb anderson learns quickly is an understatement. at age 12 he is a college student. >> we are thrilled to offer you. chris: he found out he's going to georgia tech next fall world who study aerospace engineering. you say you're not that smart, really? >> no, i don't think i'm smart, number one there are a lot of people smarter than me and there's a lot of people who work harder than me so compared to them i'm definitely not smart chris: caleb's parents beg to differ at age six months he was reading. >> that is right. >> easily set a hunger and thirst for knowledge. sandra: they nurtured his abilities teaching him sign language. chris: by age two he was a first
grader. >> how many. >> three. >> i remember all of these kids twice my age and twice my height towering over me i think that's when i first realized i was a bit different. >> being different was not always easy. >> middle school was pretty bad for me i was old enough to understand and they're not young enough to not care. chris: these days caleb is wrapping up high school while taking courses at a technical college. >> currently i'm studying basic things physics one, chemistry one and i'm taking world and american literature. chris: how did the other students treat you. >> every once in a while i get a double take but they look at me as a little brother. chris: in your academic life you're a college student, where
are you outside of school in terms of your social life? >> , 12-year-old seventh grader i like to swim i love marble i love star wars. chris: then his remarkable gift comedian steve harvey gave him a laptop and paying his full college tuition. >> thank you ♪ ♪. chris: plenty for the family to celebrate including younger siblings who were also in gifted programs. chris: do you feel pressured to live up to your potential? >> yes, i do i'm a pretty big risk taker and taken the fast track but it's going to be very hard that's what drives me because i know if i don't do this now this chance is never going to happen again.
chris: what a remarkable young man caleb also hopes to be a role model for young students of color encouraging them to consider careers in science. that is it for today, have a great week and we will see you next "fox news sunday". ♪. sandra: fox news alert former president donald trump about to take the stage to deliver his major speech since leaving office. hello and welcome to a special live sunday edition of "america reports" i am sandra smith. john: always great to be with you especially on a sunday i am john roberts in washington, d.c. the 45th president to deliver a speech in orlando florida where the weather is nicer than it is here, 87 degrees and sunny as opposed to the cold rain and we should have insisted that we go down there. the president expected to