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captioned by, closed captioning services, inc. i'm chris wallace. the latest on sarah palin's future, next on "fox news sunday." the governor of alaska drops a political bomb shell. >> i'm not seeking reelection. i have determined that it is best to transfer the authority of governor to lieutenant governor parnell. >> is her life in politics over or getting a jump start? we'll ask her soon to be successor, lieutenant governor parnell, master strategist karl rove and mike huckabee a once and perhaps future presidential candidate, also on this july fourth weekend, u.s. interests at stake around the world. we'll get a status report in the nation's top military man, admiral mike mullen, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. then, unemployment goes up
again. is another government stimulus needed? we will ask the house majority leader and minority leader. plus, our sunday panel looks at what the palin announcement means for her and the republican party. and one more look at the spectacular fourth. all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again and happy further of july weekend -- happy fourth of july weekend from fox news in washington. what a weekend it has been. with sarah palin's stunner of an announcement that she is leaving office later this month. saturday, palin posted a statement on facebook that cited a higher calling to advance the country along conservative principles. to help sort out why palin is stepping down and what she does now, we welcome from anchorage, alaska's lieutenant governor shawn parnell who takes over from palin in just three weeks. in austin texas, karl rove. and from little rock, arkansas,
former governor mike huckabee who ran for president last year lieutenant governor parnell, sarah palin called you into her office on wednesday night to drop the bomb shell in a couple of sentences because i'm sure a lot of people are still a little bit confused. why did she say that she is dropping out? >> what i heard from the governor really had to do with the weight on her of the concern she had for the costs of all the ethics investigations and the like, the way that that weighed on her with respect to her inability to just move forward alaska's aagain da on behalf -- agenda on behalf of alaskans. >> basically saying that all of the personal attacks and ethics attacks that that was preventing her from doing her job and that is why she decided to quit? >> and the fact that it was
costing just about $2 million of state taxpayers' dollars. that was over the top and i think she used the word insane in her remarks. >> i know there is bad blood between palin and lisa murkowski because palin beat her dad when she ran for governor but i want to put up murkowski's full statement about all of this. i'm dupely disappointd that the governor has decided to abandon the state and her constituents before her term is concluded. does senator murkowski have a point? >> i was disappointed when i saw the senator's release and does she have a point? i don't think so. i think what the governor did was actually look out for alaskans in this and made the comment i'm pass the ball when i have the full-court press on
me so we can move the state forward. she accomplished more than most accomplish in one or two terms here so in that context i don't think so. >> karl rove let me bring you in. you are as plugged in to republican politics as any one this this country. what are you hearing from insiders that you are talking to about why sarah palin decided to step down? >> well, they are a little perplexed because if she wanted to escape the ethics investigations and save the taxpayers money she has now done that but it sort of sent a signal if you do this kind of thing to a sitting governor like her you can drive her out of office. she is not going to be able to escape media attention. if she thinks that she will be able to protect her family against the kinds of things she suffered over the last couple of months from david letterman and others and seek a role of leadership for effective change for the country as she said in her speech, she is not going to
be able to do it. the media if she wants to run for president will be following her intensely for the next three years. >> governor huckabee, are these the actions of somebody who wants a career in national politics or somebody who wants to get out? >> well, it as riskia strategy and nobody knows whether it is going to pay off or not and even if she did get out primarily because of the feeling of being chased that is not going to stop if she continues in politics. the only way that stops is for her to completely exit the stage and the spot light and on that point i totally agree with karl. one thing i wondered about was hastily calling a news conference that brought up more questions. my colleague brought that up that you don't call a press conference that creates questions, you call one to resolve them. >> governor huckabee, almost every politician so is on the firing line.
you may not have been to the degree that sarah palin was once she achieved national prominence. what about the argument i'm doing this for my state because the attacks against me are getting in the way. >> if that had been the case for me i would have quit about the first month. i was a republican governor in a state where 89% of the elector were democrats. i had constant ethics complaints filed against me even by newspaper editors. if they can't attack you on policy they bombard you with personal attacks and keep you tied up in court. arkansas was a tough political environment period, even tougher for a republican and one of the things you have to do is decide they are not going to chase me out. they throw all this stuff at you and say there is a pattern of ethical issues. it is actually a pattern of phoney charges being filed by the opposition party. the daneer that sarah palin faces and let me be quick to
tell you by way of quick disclosure i'm a sarah palin fan. i like her personally. i like her points of view. i think she is right on the issues. the challenge that she is going to have is that there will be people who say well, look, if they chase you out of this, it won't get any easier nor you at other levels of the stage. >> let's talk about the other levels. karl, let's talk about sarah palin's future. does her decision to step down in the middle of her term and not serve out her full four years, does that help her or hurt her if she has any hopes of becoming president? >> i think it hurts. as a sitting buff you have the tactical advantage of turning down a lot of things with an excuse that people accept, i have got a job to do as governor. she now removed that so now the expectations are going to be she will be fully available and be able to come to the lower 48 and be able to do whatever people ask her to do and that raises the expectations. it is also unclear what her
strategy is. she said she wanted to lead effective change outside of government. now, people will be saying what is it that you moon by that and how are you demonstrated effective leadership for change around america. i'm like governor huckabee, i'm a fan of sarah palin's but effective strategies in politics are ones that are so clear and obvious that people can grasp it. it is not clear what the strategy is by exiting the governorship two and a half years into the term and putting herself on a national stage that she may not yet be prepared to operate in. she did a great day in 63 days in 2008. she will now have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of days between now and the 2012 election and will raise the expectations about how well and how visible she will be early on in that struggle. >> governor huckabee. >> chris may i jump in? >> sure, go ahead. >> i appreciate being able to jump in here finally. governor huckabee made a point and he was comparing his
experience as governor of arkansas around i have to tell you that i think they are miles apart in terms of what he faced versus what she faced. she became a national figure, an international figure. what that means is that she not only has the local press and local party after her. she had the national candidates, national party after her, international perhaps even. beyond that, she has plenty of time now within which to define how she will further her core values but i have to tell you when she went to kosovo and visited the guard members and wounded soldiers there in germany she saw that she doesn't need a tight toll effect change and bring some hope to people who need it. >> i would like both karl and governor huckabee to respond to that and let me throw one other point in the mix in support of lieutenant governor parnell's conference and that is bill kristol who was pushing her as
the running mate before mccain seriously considered is said this is a risky strategy but crazy like a fox. she is not going to convince the skeptics with another 18 months as governor. this gives her an opportunity to write a book, make speeches and travel around the country. governor huckabee? >> i think there is -- there is some wisdom to that. it could be a brilliant strategy. the point is we don't know. it is risky in that there is no foregone conclusion as to whether it will play out to give her reprieve from the national stage or simply to give her opponents. and let me be clear in a primary this is an issue she will have to face. will she be able to stand the pressure and i think governor parnell's comments regarding the arkansas stage, the experience that i had in arkansas politics was far more brutal than running for president. and in a primary it may not be quite the same but i'm telling you when your opponents within
your own team spend millions of dollars to redefine you, it is very, very difficult and sheville to face that if she runs in 2012. >> karl? >> she can't be a conventional candidate. she has never been one. she is putting herself in a place where unless she comes up with something new and novel that demonstrates leadership for effective change outside of government as she said in the speech then she will be conventional. she cannot count on going around and campaigning for republican candidates in 2010. she has to demonstrate leadership. she also i repeat has lost control of her time. she had the excuse of being able to say i'm the governor, i have things that i have got to do. now, people will be clammerring for her and the expectations will be out of site. she went to kosovo as governor and had a form there as governor. the question now is what kind of idea does she have about the platform she will have during the next three years? this is a personal deice, a risky strategy. she marchs to the beat of her own drum and it will be
interesting to see how she pulls this off. >> governor huckabee, we have less than a minute left, when you take a look at governor sanford confessing his personal affairs, john enson confessing his personal affairs, sarah palin dropping out as governor, as a possible candidate in 2012, do you feel that you are gaining by just staying on your feet? >> i thought you were going to ask me if i had something to confess here today, chris. i just re-signed my deal with fox for the next three years and right now, i'm comfortable with doing what i'm doing. i know everyone assumes i will make another shot at it. honestly, it as brutal experience. i'm not sure that is in my future, i just don't know at this point. right now i know that it is going to be a wide open field and may be a lot more narrow in the sense of the number of candidates but the field itself is wide open and i think we will see other people emerge that we haven't heard from yet. >> thank you all so much for joining us this holiday
weekend. and i bet we will be talking about sarah palin some more. >> thanks, chris. >> thank you. >> up next, news out of afghanistan, russia and north korea. has the u.s. military on watch. we will get the latest from the nation's highest rankingng to help avoid dental problems i give patients act restoring mouthwash. act kills germs, restores minerals strengthens enamel. act restoring-- for strong teeth act now.
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joining us now, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, admiral mike mullen. welcome back to "fox news sunday" and happy fourth of july weekend. >> good morning, chris. happy fourth to you. >> you join the president in moscow tomorrow for a summit with russian leaders. they agreed to open their airspace to flights of u.s. troops and weapons over russia into afghanistan. how much will that help with the war effort? >> any effort in terms of being able to support the kind of
logistics effort that is significant is very helpful. and as we were talking just before i came on, i was just in russia last week, met with my counter part, first time that i have been there to meet with him, to discuss to renew, move towards renewal of military relationship with russians and that will be an important part of this summit as well. >> i want to pick up from the state, here is what president obama says about the message that he intends to bring to russia. >> the old cold war approaches to u.s. russian relations is outdated and time to move forward in a different direction. >> from your meetings, do the russians agree that the cold war is over or, as mr. obama said about prime minister putin, do they have one foot in the old way of doing business
and one foot in the new way? >> i met with my counterpart twice. once several months ago and then again last week and the indications i get from him are he is anxious to move forward. we have things in common that we need to work on, afghanistan, neither country wants to see the taliban return to afghanistan the kind of efforts we share in counter piracy, counter terrorism, the focus on iran and we obviously have areas of difference. i would cited missile defense as a big one. >> do you have a sense that the cold war is over in their minds or not? >> i think that they want to move forward. from my counter part certainly the indication is they do want to move forward and they want to do it in a way where we look and basically deal with each other from positions of respect and that is how i approached my interactions with him. >> one of the areas you disagree and that is missile
defense, particularly the russian objection to the setting up a missile defense system in eastern europe. there is nothing in the obama budget for that system. is the president committed to installing it in eastern europe or could he conceivably make a deal with the russians? >> he directed us to take an extensive review and that is ongoing and won't be done until this year. the whole issue of missile defense from my perspective is focused on defense of europe and obviously the russians see is differently. we have to work our way through that. i visited poland as i left moscow and they are anxious to see us move forward and clearly we had engagements with czechoslovakia as well. all of that is part of what will be determined later this year. >> but i'm just trying to get a sense as the president sits down with the russian president and prime minister is missile defense in eastern europe negotiatable? >> from my perspective, that is something that theyville to work their way through and the
details of that will be -- will obviously be part of the discussions that they undertake later this week. >> speaking of missile defense, the north koreans fired seven, seven missiles. >> right. >> on saturday. and four missiles on thursday. what are they up to, admiral? and do we think that they are still going to launch a long-range missile towards hawaii? >> they certainly still have that potential. the seven missiles that were fired yesterday were relatively short range. similar to what they did in 2006, trying to send a message. that said, i think -- and it as clear violation of the united nations security council resolution. >> what do you think is the message? >> i believe that the international community has to continue to come together. i think the international community has stayed strong with respect to the security council resolution. >> what do you think is the
message that the north koreans? >> it is very difficult to figure out exactly what the north korean is up to. it is not predictable historically. he clearly wants to continue to be belligerent and thumb his nose at the international community. beyond that it is difficult to tell but it is very destablizing potentially. >> admiral, as i just said, 11 missiles fired in three days. is this any time for the president to be cutting missile defense as he does in the new budget? >> i'm comfortable. we worked our way through the missile defense reddiness that we need right now and i'm comfortable with preparations that we have taken and we can defend our interests specifically. the long-term future with respect to missile defense will be determined in how we move forward with this review and the various pieces the navy piece, the land-based piece, the air side of this that we put together in the long run. >> in afghanistan, the u.s.
launched a new offensive with 4,000 marines in hellman province. how certain are you that the new strategy, which is certainly based on the troop surge in iraq, that it is one that will work and that they will be able to hold presidential elections in afghanistan next month? >> i'm very comfortable that we have the troop numbers about right in the south, that that offensive just started. the whole goal of this is to provide security for the people of afghanistan. they really are the center of gravity and that leads to an environment that supports elections later this august. that is a big milestone in that country and we want them to be open and free and fairnd be able to provide as much security as we possibly can between now and then. >> you talked about troop levels. i want to talk about not just in southern afghanistan but throughout the country. >> sure. >> because there seem to be mixed messages this week about our troop level policy for afghanistan. national security advisor james
jones was quoted this week as telling u.s. commanders they are not to expect any more troops beyond what the president has already promised. you were quoted the next day assaying the top new commander, general mccrystal is going to make a review and he can ask for as many troops as he wants. which is it? >> i had discussions with general jones and also the president and i think we are economied to making sure we resource this correctly. president obama has committed the forces that we asked this year. the brand new leader there is inned middle of an assessment and we will come back in about 45 days with his assessment in terms of what he needs. my guidance to him had been til us what you need and come back and we will work that and it is guidance that both general jones and the president understands and supports. we have to make sure that every single american that is there is one that we absolutely need.
in addition, the commander on the ground has to assess with a new strategy and new leader high pressure, really zero base. -- new leadership, really zero base. we expect that sometime end of july or middle of august. >> what is the latest about the missing american soldier? who is holding him and have they made any demands? >> i wouldn't get into any details about that in terms of the kinds of things that could compromise the efforts. clearly we have a full-court press on trying to find him. we are doing everything we possibly can and obviously it is a very difficult situation but we are very focused on it. >> in our last minutes i would like to do to the degree that you are comfortable with this is a lightning round of quick questions and answers. vice president biden told iraqi leaders if that country returns to sectarian violence that the u.s. is likely to end its commitment. do we mean that?
>> what i have seen with our troops coming out of the cities in the last week has been very positive. the politics are really critical in iraq between now and over the next certainly months as they look to elections in january. so, i think the message there is clearly that the political leadership in iraq has to do as much as they possibly can to make sure security is sustained. >> but if they were to evolve back in sectarian violence we are just prepared to wipe our hands of it? >> that is a decision for the administration and certainly for the president. we are not there right now and i tonight see the trends -- i don't see the trends, anything at this-point leading to that direction. >> given the political oh presentation in iran in the last few weeks with the election and crackdown on the protests, do we want to keep trying toen gage the iranian regime? >> that is a decision for the
president to make very clearly as everyone was and is troubled by the level of violence and what happened but wouldn't comment extensively on the political events inside the country like this. but i remain concerned about iran. on the military side they still continue to develop nuclear weapons. they still aah port terrorism and i think they are a country that we are going to have to deal with. >> a report in the washington times said that you believe that a military strike against iran would spur iran's nuclear facilities, would spur a bloody retaliation against u.s. interests in the middle east and around the world and that you have come to believe that we will have to learn to live with an iranian nuclear weapon. is that true? >> i don't see that report. i have been one who have been concerned about a strike on iran for some time because it could be very destablizing and it is the unintended
consequences of that which aren't predictable. that said, i think it is important that we as we deal with iran that we don't take any options, including military options off the table. that is something that the president is both aware of and he obviously has to make decisions about how he is going to continue to approach iran. >> which would be more destablizing the blowback against a nuclear strike or iran having nuclear weapon? >> i think both outcomes are really bad outcomes and that speaks to the narrow space that we have to try to resolve this so that neither of those things occur. >> admiral mullen, thanks for coming in today. safe travels to russia later today. thank you, precipitation. >> coming up, the two house leaders on healthcare reform and what can be done to kickstart the economy. kickstart the economy. back
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joining us now to talk about the economy, healthcare and more are the two top men in the house of representatives. democrat hoyer is the pagity leader and republican john boehner is the min minority le. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> the obama administration said it would keep unemployment below 8% and we now learned it is now 9.5% and the republicans put out a video about a bloodhound searching for sim luciana jobs. let's watch. -- for stimulus jobs. let's watch. >> finally the dogs tracked down something. in north carolina. they used stimulus money to hire one new state worker. his job, apply for more stimulus money for the taxpayers by the way of the federal government. >> congressman hoyer can you honestly say you are satisfied
with the stimulus? >> i don't think anybody can say we are satisfied with the results of the stimulus be we believe it was essential. mark zande said it is going to create two million jobs by the end of next year. >> why hasn't it done more faster? >> we are disappointed if hasn't done more faster. john and i were talking about getting money out more quickly. we need to do that. we are disappointed. after all the ad is being run bay crowd that created about four thousand jobs per month, the worst job creation performance in 75 years and lost two million jobs the three months before the obama administration came in. they haven't had such a hot track record. we are disappointd that we inherited such a tanking economy but we are trying to do everything we can to get it moving again. >> i think he is talking about you as he says that. president obama defended the stimulus this week.
let's take a look. >> the recovery act was designed to make sure that local school districts didn't lay off teachers and firefighters and police officers and it has done its job. >> congressman bainer, the temperature crates say that unemployment would be a -- the democrats say that unemcoy employment would be higher without the stimulus package. >> the way to help the economy grow is help businesses and american families keep more of what they earn because they are the ones that can keep the economy going again. this was supposed to be about jobs, jobs and jobs and the fact is it turned into nothing more than spending, spending and more spending on a lot of big government bureaucracy. in ohio, a lot of the infrastructure dollars sent there months ago, there hasn't been a contract let to my knowledge. the fact is i don't believe it will create jobs. the president said earlier this year we will not see
unemployment above 8% if we pass this bill. the fact is we have and the real question is where are the jobs? you can't spend $800 billion of taxpayer money and not create jobs when you say that is what the goal was. we haven't seen the jobs yet. >> we have obviously invested in healthcare and we have invested in education. i think the president is absolutely right. we would have lost more jobs but for this investment and economists agree with us. a lot of economists on john's side of the aisle agreed with the stimulus package. >> they agreed that we needed to stimulus bill. >> let me just finish. john's message is the same message we heard in 2001, the same message that supported an economic policy that led us to the worst economic times. >> let's look forward, not backwards and i guess the question becomes because you both say you are disappointed with the stimulus and it hasn't created jobs. >> disappointed with the results so far, chris, not with the stimulus. >> so is the answer a second stimulus is?
is it to revamp the current stimulus? what are you going do to get money out and create jobs faster? >> we have to get the money that is already in the stimulus bill out and we are looking at that. jim oberstar is looking at that and we are looking at that in all the areas through the cabinet officers that we need to get the money out more quickly. john is right, i'm disappointed and he is disappointed that the money hasn't gotten out more quickly. >> do you fivary second stimulus because some democrats are already saying the problem with the stimulus is that it wasn't big enough. >> we certainly want to see how this develops over the next few months but we got to understand we inherited two million jobs being lost in the three months before we took office. the policies that were put in place were put in place about 130 days ago. not eight years ago, but 130 days ago. >> come on, you sound like the kid who showed up without his homework every day and wants to blame the dog for eating his
homework. the president said the unemployment wouldn't get above 8%. we said this plan was not going to work. we agreed that we needed a stimulus plan and our plan costs half as much and according to the same economists would have created twice as many jobs. >> looking forward can they fix the current stimulus plan that congress passed? >> all it does is fund more government. if you want to get the economy going you have to trust small businesses and the american people to reinvest their own money. we ought to try a real stimulus bill and allow them to keep more of what they earn. >> john's plan is what they proposed in 2001. >> and created five million jobs. >> no way. >> five million jobs they cree crate. >> your figures are dead wrong. during the clinton administration we created almost 21 million jobs. >> for give me, let's move to another subject, healthcare reform.
congressman hoyer will the house pass a bill before the august recess and what will you do about the two biggest problems which is increasing coverage to all of the uninsured. >> first of all, the people understand that the healthcare system is in real trouble. they like what they have, 75% of them but 87% of them think we need significant reform and the answer to the question is yes, we will pass significant reform. >> before the august recess. >> before the august recess in the house of representatives because we need to bring costs down. we need to bring costs down for government, we need to bring costs down for families and we need to bring costs down for individuals. we need to assure that is system accessible to all americans for quality healthcare. they need that security and that is what they asked for during the course of the election. >> let's go through a quick check list of some of the key issues.
public health insurance option to compete with private insurance. must have in the plan? >> we think there will be a public option. we need to make sure that there is an option available for public they can't get through the private insurance. >> is that a deal breaker? >> it is rough. i think having the government have a plan to compete with the private sector is unfair because the government has no cost of capital. it will drive according to the congressional budget office, 23 million americans out of their current healthcare plan into the government option. not the way to go. >> mandate for both -- >> chris, can i just say something? when they adopted a prescription drug program they provided for the possibility of the public option in their own plan if it wasn't available. what we are saying is look, you got to keep everybody honest and get costs down. we believe that competition will help. >> mandate on both individuals and employers to participate. must have in the democratic
plan. >> as you know the draft plan put on the table provides for everybody to have coverage just as you have to have automobile coverage we want everybody in the system, actuarials that will bring coverage down and if employers don't participate then they need to by having employees covered by their own insurance then they need to participate to pay for the system. wal-mart and many other businesses support that decision. >> is that a deal break. absolutely. they will shift $400 million of the cost of the new plow gram on to the cost of employers with the new mandates. the cost of employment goes up and then the number of jobs created goes down. that is not what the american people want. secondly, this is an individual mandate that you must buy health insurance and if you don't we will fine you and we will fine employers if they don't offer healthcare. this will lead to higher costs, rationing and lower healthcare delivery in our system.
the american people want reform. >> we are doing a quick check list. let me move to the last area in healthcare reform. specifically, what taxes are you willing to raise and are you going tax healthcare benefits? >> that is a proprosal on the table in the senate and not in the house as you know. the pay fors are going to be tough. nobody wants to pay for what we are buying and quite frankly our financial status in america has gone down. during the last eight years. >> we got the inherited part. >> i understand that. >> cumulative. >> that is cumulative homework is something you don't want to forget. >> i did my homework and brought it to school. >> there you go. the fact is that we are going to make sure that this program is paid for unlike the programs adopted in the past so we don't make the deficit worse. >> the president says the problem with the healthcare system is we spend too much as a nation on healthcare. how do you spend another
trillion to two trillion dollars in order to spend less? and we going to tax the american people, raise our taxes once again at a time when the economy is not doing well. if we are trying to create jobs in america you can't do it by imposing more taxes on a big government run healthcare plan. you can't do it by raising energy taxes on every american with our cap and trade system and then you go out and spend a trillion dollars with interest on a stimulus bill that is not working. >> finally and we have a little over a minute left so you both have to be quick about this. we are coming up on the end of the first six months of this new congress and this new president. start with you, congressman hoyer, how is it going. >> i think this is the most productive six months that i served in the congress of the united states. i think the president put down a program and democrats and the congress supported programs which is exactly responsive to the last election what the
american people wanted. change we can believe in and wanted us to address the economy. we have done that. they wanted us to address energy. we have done that to make ourselves independent and secure and provide for cheaper energy and addressing the climate challenge that confronts our country. we are also going address the issue and have addressed the issue of education. we are doing what the american people asked us to do. >> congress bainer. >> chris, nothing short of breathtaking. this giant move to belt more government here in washington, to take more money from the american people and at the end of the day we will end up with higher taxes, bigger government and less freedom for the american people. it is breathtaking, this big move to the left. and while we continue to offer what we think are better solutions our members going to continue to stand up for freedom. you can't grow the family budget or the business budget when washington's budget is growing and we will have a real fight for how much freedom we
will have left in america. >> i'm glad we were able to settle all that in this short time. thank you both, thanks for sharing part of your holiday weekend with us. >> thank you, chris. >> thank you. >> the sarah palin chronicles. does she want to run for the white house or does she want to be left alone? our sunday panel look looks at that from all angles when we come back. how 'bout a laundry day you can look forward to? trading up to appliances that work hard... and taking advantage of lowered prices that are loaded with freebies-- like free delivery and free haul away that are hassle-free. maybe all that will make those big purchases - feel less big. - ♪ oh yeah!
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decision to step down as governor of alaska. and it is time for the sunday group. bill kristol of the weekly standard. jennifer loven who covers the white house for the associated press secretary. steven hayes and one williams. bill, you are the resident palin watcher and booster. you have gotten a fair amount of attention since friday afternoon for saying she is crazy like a fox and this is an interesting and perhaps successful strategy to win her the presidency. explain. >> the high risk move but the truth is for those who are doubtful about her she wasn't going to do anything in the next 18 months as alaska governor to convince them she was more qualified than they thought for high office and this gives her a chance to travel the country and campaign for 2010 which is difficult when you are the sitting governor of a state that is pretty far away. study up on issues that it is hard for her to get fully up to speed on as full-time governor of alaska and i think she could
have a strong year and a half here if she is disciplined and imaginative and picks the right issues to quarrel with president obama about. first governor bush ran as governor of texas with the whole bush machine behind him. romney had a professional team and she is really just getting out there and it will depend on her talents and abilities. >> we heard lieutenant governor parnell say she left because she felt she was getting bogged down by all the attacks. do believe that or this is a strategy to make her a national figure she has been the object of more hatred i would say and more hatred treated respectfully by the mainstream media and she probably feels it
makes it hard for her to be an effective governor and she is depending on her own arms here is and she is abouting to take it on and she has had an interesting political career and i don't rule her out. the odds are against her but they were against her anyway if she served out her term. best to go all in and put together a team in washington that can help her and go for it. >> jennifer, here is somebody who already had a gravatos issue. how does stepping down during a hastily called july fourth news conference help? >> i don't think it does. she hit a couple of notes that i think will hurt her. one, she hit the victim note which doesn't usually go over well with the public. you want to be a politician selling something good, something positive, a platform to run on and she hit the victim note pretty hard and what she is going get is just more of the same.
it is not like she is going to step out of the alaska governorship and step into a kinder gentler territory. she will have incredible scrutiny, perhaps even more scrutiny and the other note that she hit that i think she is going to have some trouble with is the motion know unpredictable and flighty. shes >> steve, i knee bill kristol is your boss. are you buying his take on the announcement. >> bill is probably the finest magazine editor in the country and a snappy dresser and wonderful husband and father. no is the short answer, i'm not. sarah palin has had one problem in particular and it is that she was not -- she didn't have substantive policy base. she didn't have that in the campaign. she hasn't had it in the seven or eight months since then and
i think that is and has been and will be her big concern going forward. what i think she did since the election is really a missed opportunity. she could have gone out and made herself the chief republican spokesman on smart energy policy and something she knows well, she lives in alaska, has consequences for her state, national ramifications. we are in the middle of a cap and trade debate. she could have positioned herself as somebody who knew about that and taken over a role as a national spokesman. she didn't do that. now, the pressure will be on her to do that but she won't have the statue or the office from which to make those arguments. >> you know what, i mean she can't even say that she was the one term governor of alaska because she didn't stand by alaska. i think she was in line it seems to me as one of the possibilities to run against lisa murkowski for the senate and murkowski can now run ads repeating what she said in her
statement that governor palin abandoned the citizens of alaska who gave her the privilege of serving as her governor. the political clan is thinking what could they about about because she is the most popular republican right now. reis more popular. you are thinking oh, sarah palin might be the ticket but sarah palin has taken away her platform as governor. that was giving her the opportunity to respond to critics by developing not only experience but demonstrating leadership. what is the answer? >> has to be money. after book deals. >> she already had a book deal. >> maybe she wants to give more speeches for more none any. i read that nbc right be talking to her about doing a show.
if that is the case she just has stars in her eyes and it is all about her and the base that she wants to appeal to and has success with which is an evangelical and southern base in the party, i wonder how they will respond to somebody who is not reliable in terms of obligations and being steady. doesn't seem like a smart move. that is why everybody in town is talking about this like what could she be up to? is it a strategy you are asking or is it just about her? >> barack obama ran for the senate in 2004 and was elected to the senate and the moment in he bewas sworn in began running for the president of the united states. he effectively left the senate by the time he started visiting iowa and new hampshire in early 2007 and everyone said ooh, he can't compete with these people with the long records, what has he done and republicans who was a community organizer, come on, a one term senator. he seems to have gotten elected
president of the united states. i don't think it is foolish for palin to think people don't value experience in washington or two terms counts for two years as governor of alaska. maybe a leader of the movement and a leader of the republican party and conceivably a president just as obama did. >> barack obama had ideas. barack obama said he was opposed to the war for -- that is what he said, right. he said he is going to get the troops out. all right, what is sarah palin's critical idea? >> that is the test, what did obama have. this is the equivalent of the middle 2005. obama had given one good speech at the democratic convention in 2004. palin gave an effective speech at the republican convention in 2008. i totally agree that she needs to be serious about taking on a couple of issues around getting well briefed on them and becometh the chief spokesman against the obama administration. >> let's let jennifer end since
she covers the obama administration full time. >> i think what she wanted was a game changer and i don't think she got that. the people who like her are going to still like her and still think she has all the moxie and fresh face and the people that is doubts about her will still have the same doubts. >> jennifer, i want to follow-up on this. the white house is absolutely saying nothing publicly. >> that's right. >> about governor palin. what are you hearing behind the scenes? they got to besaying something? >> i think they ar entertained and look at not only what happened with her but in the last couple weeks with senator enson and south carolina governor sanford and looking at the field and kind of shaking their heads. they know as well as the rest of us do that it as very long way until the 2012 race starts in ernest and there could be someone out there 24 that no oe
is even talking about yet. >> steve, you get the last word. not to attack bill kristol. >> i think it could be worse potentially for sarah palin and jennifer. this could be a game changer in a negative way. takes people who are willing to sort of just suspend their doubts about her and say okay, this is why i was concerned. >> all right. we have to leave it there. you know the thing about her, the gift that keeps on giving, whether you love her or hate her, we are fascinated by her. thank you all, panel. see you next week. >> don't forget to check out the latest edition of panel plus where the group continues the discussion on our website, fox news.com/fns. for those it viewers who we get a lot of remails from after the show eager to see more of the panel, the site will tell you when we will post the features. up next, the fourth of july like you have never seen it. my digestive system didn't always behave.
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