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good morning, and welcome to "this week." the president gets personal. >> trayvon martin could have been me. >> on crime, prejudice, justice, and community. >> i think it's going to be important for all of us. to do some soul-searching. >> and this morning, a special conversation right here on race if america. and motown down. >> the city is broke. >> after detroit goes bankrupt, can the motor city move from crisis to comeback? plus, it's never too early. >> today is the first time i've been to iowa. >> a freshman senator running for president already. we're on the trail in iowa with ted cruz. all of that. and the powerhouse roundtable this sunday morning.
it came by surprise on a sleepy hot summer friday, america's first black president slipping into the briefing room for his most personal speech yet on race. no teleprompter, few notes. as the debate over trayvon martin's death roiled the country, he would speak from the heart on being a black man in america. >> there are very few african-american men who haven't had the experience of being follow followed shopping at a department store. that includes me. very few african-american men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars.
that's happened to me, at least before i was a senator. >> a remarkable admission sparked by questions. did trayvon martin die because he was black? was george zimmerman acquitted because he was not? >> that contributes to a sense that if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, that from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different. i just ask people to consider, if trayvon martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? >> the president reflected on what all of us can do to bridge our differences, closing with a father's pride. >> when i talk to malia and sasha, and listen to their friends, they're better than we are. >> and a president's hope. >> we're becoming a more perfect union. not a perfect union. but a more perfect union. >> in our program today, we'll continue the conversation the president sparked on friday. we begin with this week's headline from what's been called
america's most racially pol polarized city. detroit declared bankruptcy, the largest city to do so. mayor bing, i know you resisted the bankruptcy option, but are you convinced it's going to bring a new start to the people of detroit? >> i'm hoping this will be a new start. detroiters are a very resilient people. and we have a, you know, we had chrysler and general motors that the federal government helped in their bankruptcy, they came back and they are doing well. detroit is an iconic city, worldwide, and our people will fight through this and we will come back. >> the auto industry came back with federal help. but vice president biden says we don't know how the federal government can help. i know you have been in contact with white house and administration officials, have you asked for federal assistance and what have they told you? >> well, i think it's very
difficult right now to ask directly for support. i have gotten great support from this administration. i've got great support from a lot of the different departments within the administration. they have been helpful, but now that we've done our bankruptcy filing, i think we've got to take a step back and see what's next. there's a lot of conversation, a lot of planning, a lot of negotiations that will go into fixes our city. >> so no federal bailout? >> not yet. you know, i know the president has a lot on his plate. this is going to add tremendously to that, and i want to say, we're not the only city that's going to struggle through what we're going through. there are over a hundred major urban cities that are having the same problems we're having. we may be one of the first and we are the largest. but we absolutely will not be the last. so we have not to set a benchmark in terms of how to fix
our cities and come backrom the tragedy. >> i know you have to help yourselves first, but it was written in "the new york times" yesterday, the president should go through federal programs and see what can be done for the people of detroit. is there anything the federal government can do? >> well, i do think, once again, i've had some conversation already, i'll be more specific in the days and weeks ahead. i'm not sure exactly what to ask for. money is going help, no doubt about that, but how much? there are a lot of things, we have to have an organized plan so we know that whatever we get is going to be invested where we can maximize the return on the investment. and give the people the kind of services they need. give them the requested that they can live in this city and be safe. they can work in the city, educate their kids in this city. that's what this american iconic city is all about. and i think that we will be once
again foremost in what's happening in terms of coming back. >> a county judge has stepped in and said this bankruptcy violates the michigan constitution. do you agree with that? are there any other alternatives out there? >> well, i'm not a lawyer. and i'm glad i'm not at this point in time, but i'm hearing -- i am hearing, you know, that the federal constitution will trump the state constitution. so i do believe that. but whatever happens, we can't allow lawyers to dictate what's going to happen in our city and it's comeback. we've got to throw away the bickering and fighting amongst us and do what's best to bring cities like detroit back. >> we know that's going to be a difficult process going forward. and it comes against the backdrop, we saw the president's comments on race on friday. over the last 50 years, detroit has gone from more than 80% white to black, and keith
rich berg, an african-american reporter for "in the washington post," the city is surrounded by often hostile white suburbs if a state that has little time for a poor, destitute, democratic and black city. emergency manager is seen as a hostile racist takeover by the state of the city's black leadership. how do you respond to that? >> well, i don't want to make this a black and white issue, it's a financial issue. it's green. we have got to get funding that's necessary to help us fix our problem right now. i don't want to stir the pot and bring up all kinds of historically racial issues. we have got to get beyond that. the polarization between our city and suburbs is something that's been going on for the last 60 years. we have got to change it. once again, if detroit fails, doesn't make it, then all of these surrounding suburbs are going to feel the brunt of it
also. it behooves us to see how we can work together to make the entire southeastern region livable for all of us. >> what does a new detroit look like after bankruptcy? >> i think what's happening now is the downtown is really hot. it's coming back. midtown is really hot, it's on its way back. our biggest problem is in the neighborhoods, where most of the people are living. we've got to make sure that those people understand that we care about them. we're going to reinvest in our neighborhoods and give them the things that they need. the services have been horrendous for a long time because of the lack of resources. and i mean money, and in some cases, leadership. from a people and personnel standpoint. but i think our city is going to come back, and we have to be
strategic, and whatever we do, we can't fix it overnight. we have to communicate that. we have to let them know that the call vary is doming. nobody is going to deny them their rights. it's a tough situation, but once again, detroit is resilient, we will come through this. >> we are rooting for you, mayor, thanks very much. >> thank you so much, george. >> let's bring in the roundtable, matthew dowd, cokie roberts, pierre thomas. along with former on bah eer o van jones and now with crossfire and cnn. and dana perino from the 5 on fox news. let's begin with the president's speech on friday. remarkable, and matthew dowd, quite different from the past speeches on race. the few he's given where he's presented himself as a bridge between white and black. here he is explicitly stood his ground, spoke as a black man to the rest of america. >> i think it was a very telling speech, actually. i've watched people in public life a lot. and then you have people in private life.
sometimes they have a conversation to inform people about something. sometimes they're having a conversation out loud with themselves. a big part of the speech was something he's been dealing with over his years in public life. trying to grasp where he is in this process. he wanted to communicate, one of the things i thought was a beautiful line in the speech, if you want to honor trayvon martin, then violence is not the way to honor him. i think he wanted to quell that. but i think it was really a personal speech about his evolution, about where he is as a person, what he's struggled, and finally i think freeing himself from some of the things he thought he had to do in order to be successful. and say here's my evolution. >> not run away from race anymore. but van jones, some of the critics in the african-american community say it's too little too late. the president hasn't spoken out enough, done enough. >> there has been that conversation. let's applaud the president. he's supposed to be the educator in chief on a lot of these issues. it would have been worse for the
country if he said to the country, because i'm plaque, i can't talk about this. the fact that he came forward was a good thing. public leaders talk about their background, irish, catholic, jimmy carter, bill clinton, lbj talked about race from the personal point of view, being white southerners. and so he talk about it. and the republic still stood. that's a good thing. we're afraid we would fall apart. we didn't. that's good. there are other good things too. you mentioned violence, there's been none. and not only that, these young people that have been speaking out, they have been very sophisticated politically. you have color of change, a million people online working to fix stand your ground laws across this country in multiple legislatures. the dream defenders, a
nonviolent sittin protest with the governor's office. they have a bill called trayvon's law. positive things are coming out of this. the young people were not rioting, being sophisticated. >> no rioting. a relatively muted response from most conservatives to the president's friday speech. >> part of that is because it was at 2:00 on friday, there's a reason for that. i think there was a practical reason for the speech as well. earlier in the week, attorney general eric holder suggested at the naacp meeting that there might be a federal prosecution brought against george zimmerman on a civil rights charge. with the burden of proof even higher for the federal government to bring something like that, when the state government couldn't meet its burden of proof, it's unlikely that that case, if brought forward, would have been successful. i think what president obama did practically was say i know you're going to get together tomorrow, i'm glad. we have a lot of work to do, but he signaled very strongly there's not going to be a federal case.
>> they got personal in the speeches, feel your pain speeches, but are they a substitute as dana points out, for pursuing the charges? >> they're walking in the tight rope. the attorney general talked about how he had to have a conversation with his son after seeing what happened with trayvon martin. and 30 years earlier, 40 years earlier, his father had the same conversation with him. in terms of the justice department, they are looking at the case. the fbi is aggressively pursuing the case, as dana mentioned. look, it's a long shot to bring a federal prosecution. but i've been told by sources they are going to examine all of the state's evidence, including stuff they didn't bring to trial. they will look at it. for example, the gun is not going anywhere. mr. zimmerman -- >> we thought he was going to get it. >> he's not getting the gun, it's evidence. they want everything on hold. i will say this, even though it's a long shot, it's a heck of a thing to have the fbi really poring into your background and looking at you the way they are going to do over the coming
weeks. but it's a long shot. >> the president had to give it for other reasons as well. he couldn't be silent. >> he couldn't be. that is absolutely right. whatever the evidence was, the legality was of this case, the bottom line is a boy was walking home from the store and ended up dead. and that is what has such outrage in the african-american community. and understandable, why wouldn't you be outraged? this child was killed. and the president did have to address it. i think his children weighed in. when i was interviewing the first lady in africa, she said i don't land on him, but the kids do. that's typical for a politician's family. i think they probably said, dad, you have to talk about this. it's all anybody at school is talking about. >> i think you're right. where does this go from here? the president was sort of refreshing in saying that he didn't want to call for this formal conversation because he knows what can happen when
presidents have done that in the past. he said it gets stilted and awkward. we are having the debates about stand your ground whether it's reduced violence or increased it. >> the shootout at the o.k. corral. >> i think the president understands the situation he's faced, a huge part of the public looks at institutions through the prism of their own belief system. so he understands that we can't go have a system where six women in a court case where evidence was presented by both sides make a decision that somebody is not guilty, and undermine that at the federal government level. he's got to be very careful that our justice system actually worked, actually worked there, the problem i think with stand your ground laws, even though as everybody says, it wasn't used in the defense, it does create an environment, it does create an environment and is in the water table that allows people to feel like more free-willing to use a gun in the course of this. >> and suppose trayvon martin
was of age and had a gun and felt he was threatened because he was being followed. he could have used it in the stand your ground law. that is part of the conversation. >> this is where it gets complicated, pierre. i want to bring in you and van jones. the evidence is mixed on whether it reduces violence. justifiable homicide have gone up a lot. and african-americans are much less likely to have their homicides to be found justi justifiable than white homicides. >> they believe they won't get the benefit of the doubt if they use stand your ground. and they believe that trayvon martin would not have had an opportunity to stand his ground. and, look, you can talk about this all you want, race permeated the case. and many african-americans feel like that trayvon martin did not get justice. you can say that the system
worked properly. and everyone is talking that way. but you have a significant part of the american society, the african-american community, feels like it failed. >> and the problem, other americans say it worked the way it was supposed to work. >> and the other thing is, the fbi looked into it. they looked into george zimmerman and gave a full report saying we can find no instance of racial undertones of george zimmerman. maybe they'll find something else if they turn over more things. i don't know what else they can find. but when a president speaks, it's to multiple audiences from the prism of self-defense, the young mother whose 2-year-old was shot in the face by the two teens in atlanta, why do presidents choose to speak about one case and not the other? it's better maybe to not talk about them. they chose to talk about this one. i do think the president is signaling, we're going to have to move on. good luck on stand your ground.
>> in terms of in the national conversation, it's almost impossible to ignore, though. >> that's right. i want to say a couple things. first of all, the stand your ground situation is problematic. you have marissa alexander, she's the african-american woman who tried to stand her ground against her abusive husband. she gets 20 years in jail for firing a shot into a ceiling, whereas somebody who fires a shot into a teenager is walking the streets. that is a reason to look at this. but there's something positive that's not been talked about from the right. conservatives say they are very concerned about the killings in chicago and in other urban environments. african-american leaders have tended to dismiss that, saying they're scoring political points against civil rights. i think they may be too cynical. there may be a jack kemp silent majority of conservatives that are heartbroken. there could be a right-left coalition to come together and talk about entrepreneurship, public-private partnerships to stop the killings.
that could be an outcome. let's not assume that when the president said -- we could actually come together over this, not apart. >> actually which goes to the point where detroit is, our urban cores of the country, detroit is front and center. we've become much more homogeneo homogeneous, the economy of the scores are much different. the money available for inf infrastructure is different. >> the vanguard, detroit. >> they were. detroit, when our family lived there and raising kids there, much different, and then you went into bloomfield hills. but we have an urban problem and a problem where everybody is dividing by many things. by race, income, age, and that has gone on through the this country. the president understood this in 2008. i thought the president spoke very well about it. he hasn't done much to bridge
the divides. he fives a great speech. he hasn't done well. but i agree. if i were a republican candidate like chris christie or somebody, i would have an urban-centered strategy. if you can improve that, improve the economy. >> even if you don't get urban votes, you do it to signal that you care. >> it's the right thing to do. education, when george w. bush runs on to child left behind, that was about the suburbs. that was urban schools and the low expectations of african-american and hispanic students. >> but i think it's also, you talk about divided long the lines, but less divided than we used to be. a more perfect union. we have intermarriages have doubled in the last 30 years, inter-racial marriages. and the new marriages, it's 15%. so you start to see people mingling in ways that was never the case before. >> we have a huge class
distinction that's grown and grown. to me, the trayvon martin situation has more to do with class than race in my view. what happens in this country, anybody from a lower class. the three women in ohio basically kidnapped, because they came from a different class, nobody looked for them. nobody really -- and the health care that different classes get is totally different. soy think maybe we're less divided on race in in country. but our class distinction is bigger. >> pierre, you have the last word. >> the country is growing in terms of race relations, but going back to those urban corridors, major cities across the country, there's a group of people that have been largely forgotten. period. >> great discussion. everyone stick around, a lot more to come. but first, it's never too early. three days before election day, texas firebrand ted cruz is on the trail in iowa. we're there. >> what's going on here? are you running for president?
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getting democrats elected. then after the election, you know, we're going to then think about '08. >> just a little dodge from freshman senator barack obama stumping in iowa more than two years before election day. we're more than three years before the election day, but the state where the first votes are cast has seen wannabes. and jon karl is there with one of them this week, the republican ted cruz of texas. >> it's an axiom of american politics no out of state senator ends up in iowa by accident. i was surprised as i took that non-stop from washington to des moines, i saw not one, but two potential presidential candidates making the trek. the flight from washington, d.c. to des moines, iowa was packed with republicans, including the party chairman, and ted cruz, and senator rand paul of kentucky. not one, but two potential candidates for president. >> congratulations, senator. >> cruz has been in the senate a scant six and a half months.
but he's already becoming a national figure. >> i'm holding a pistol grip. >> firing defender of guns and traditional marriage. a critic of abortion and president obama. the next presidential election is nearly three and a half years ago, but his travel itinerary looks more like a presidential candidate than a freshman senator. early primary states new hampshire, south carolina, two trips to iowa. also, georgia, new york, and florida. what's going on here? are you running for president? >> jon, we are having a national debate about which direction the country should go. >> understand the national debate. >> what i am doing now is trying to participate in that national debate. i understand that everyone likes to focus on the politics. >> last year was your first election you've ever won. first time ever. are you ready to run for president? >> you know, i'm not focused on the politics. >> is it fair to say you're not? >> john, i've been in the senate all of seven months. >> right. >> the last office i was elected
to was student council. so this has been a bit of a whirlwind. >> you were born in canada. could you -- are you even eligible to be president of the united states? >> my mother was born in delaware, i'm a u.s. citizen by birth. i object. >> cruz's confrontational style has alienated members of both parties. >> senator cruz went over the line. >> back in washington, we asked him about that. no secret, you've rubbed a lot of your colleagues the wrong way. maybe even most of them, some would say. >> i would leave that to others to share their views. i can tell you my focus from day one has been on substance and policy. it has been on going to the committees on which i serve, on trying to do the jobs. i'm on the judiciary committee. we had hearings on guns. i believe passionately in the second amendment right to keep and bear arms. and when the president used the tragic shooting in connecticut as an excuse not to go after
violent criminals, not to stop crime, but instead to push an anti-gun agenda, i wouldn't be doing my job if i didn't stand up and fight for the second amendment. >> do you think he was exploiting the tragedy in newtown? >> i think he had a political agenda, which was to restrict the second amendment right to keep and bear arms of law-abiding citizens. they took advantage of that horrible, tragic shooting to push that agenda. and they didn't focus actually on solving the problem. >> you have republicans that wouldn't do anything with president obama. obama's kind of like, you know, he's enemy number one, he's the villain. how do we get anywhere if you've got republicans that won't even talk about a deal with the president on something like the debt? >> i don't agree with the premise of that. i don't consider president obama enemy number one. i think he is someone who believes passionately in his principles. and i respect him for that. now, i think --
>> you just said he was exploiting the newtown shooting. >> you used that word. it was an excuse to pass gun control, not protect kids. and you disagreed on how to do it. >> i think the policies he was advancing were wrong and dangerous. and the point that i was finishing, is i admire and respect him that he fights for his principles, but i think they are profoundly dangerous. >> you have been called a schoolyard bully, arrogant, a wacko bird. >> look, i cannot control insults that others will choose to hurl. what i can control is that i have not and will not reciprocate. >> what do you think when jon stewart comes out and says you're a run of the mill fringe right -- >> take our country back from the socialist kenyan tea partier-type guy. >> i think he's a funny guy. he called me a dirty syrup guzzler. >> in reference to canada.
right. >> i must confess, i wasn't sure what that was. but i will tell you in response to that, i did send jon stewart a letter saying that i rarely guzzled syrup. but any time i did, it was texas syrup. and sent a bottle of texas syrup and invited him to a syrup festival in the state of texas. >> did you hear back? >> we got a nice call back. >> you say the republicans need to stop being a bunch of squishes. do you think that the problem with the republicans is they're too moderate? >> i think the biggest reason president obama got elected in 2008 is republicans lost their way. not standing for principles. when you have a national debt larger than the entire economy, the democrats have driven that, but a whole lot of republicans were come police -- complicit.
and i think americans are fed up with politicians in both parties digging us deeper into debt and discarding the constitution. >> we have seen poll after poll, 55% of americans say that they favor a path to citizenship for those that are here illegally. are the majority of americans wrong about this? >> you know, jonathan, there is no stronger advocate of legal immigration in the u.s. senate than i am. >> but you have 11 million people that are here undocumented immigrants, and you're saying that none of them should have a right, a path to become citizens. that's what you're saying. >> what i am saying is if you want to fix the problem, you got to focus where there is agreement. the most divisive element of the gang of eight bill is that it grants amnesty. it grants a path to citizenship for those that are here illegally. >> and you are opposed to that. am i right? i'm asking you. >> i think a path to citizenship for those here illegally is profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who followed the rules.
>> is immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship dead? >> i do not believe the house of representatives will pass a path to citizenship. and i think -- >> it's not going to happen. >> and i think the white house knows that. >> so senator rubio has led the charge on this. >> i know that we must solve this problem once and for all or it will only get worse, and it will only get harder to solve. >> there's a captain of the gang of eight, it's marco rubio. let me ask you, has he hurt his political chances? he was a possible front-runner in 2016. >> i don't know. mar co rubio is a friend of mine, he's a good man. i like and respect him. and i think he proceeded in good faith. i think he believes in the gang of eight bill. >> but you think he's dead wrong. >> if it became law, we wouldn't have 11 million people here illegally, we'd have 20 or 30 million. >> he's the son of a cuban refugee who he cites as showing the american dream is real.
>> he made 50 cents an hour. paid his way through the university of texas, got a job -- >> cruz himself has a resume that looks like anything but an outsider, princeton graduate, harvard law degree, and the first hispanic to clerk for the chief justice of the supreme court. you've got an interesting background, argued a case before the supreme court at age 32. >> it's an extraordinary opportunity to stand before the u.s. supreme court court. takes your breath away. we didn't have a prayer. we were not going to win. i stood up and for 30 minutes, there was not a single friendly question, not a single neutral question. >> scalia beat up on you? >> scalia, ginsburg, the chief. it was 30 minutes of being pounded, it was a head of tuna being thrown to sharks. i will tell you, i have always like the fact that i sit in my skpaufs i look at a giant painting of me getting my tail whipped 9-0. it's good for instilling
humility. that's what it looks like to lose. >> looking ahead to 2016, he says republicans must nominate an unapologetic conservative. in other words, someone who's politics match his own. nationally it looks tough, lost five out of the last six popular votes, presidential elections. 18 states and the district of columbia have gone democratic in all six of the last six presidential races. that's 242 electoral votes. >> if you look at last 40 years, a consistent pattern emerges. any time republicans nominate a candidate for president who runs as a strong conservative, we win. and when we nominate a moderate who doesn't run as a conservative, we lose. >> back in iowa, reporters continue to pepper cruz with questions about his presidential aspirations. is he going to run? 160 words later, still no clear answer. was that a no or yes? lots more.
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today, i am launching my candidacy for the united states senate. i'm running because i believe it is necessary for a new generation of leaders to step up to the plate. >> she said if i ran, she wouldn't. she announced 30 minutes after i more specifically stated my intention. >> i think senator enzi may be confused. >> liz cheney sparking a family fight. let's talk about that, joined by jon karl, coke yi roberts, matthew dowd, dana perino, and
von jones from cnn's cross fire. i want to get to her, but let's begin with ted cruz and the rush to iowa. he and rand paul there as well. we saw the interview. yes or no, we know they're laying a groundwork. what kind of impression did they make? >> those two are going for exactly the same constituency. they're friends and allies. in many ways, rand paul made ted cruz. >> the non-squish. >> the non-squish part. last time around, a lot of republican candidates, not many were electable. this time it's a very crowded field. and you have a much less predictable situation. let's face it, beknew basically that mitt romney was the front runner almost the entire primary process. now rubio, jeb bush in there, potentially chris christie, governors like john kasich, paul ryan. a much more crowded field. a much less predictable outcome. >> and that's fun because the republicans we normally do have a front runner and know what's going to happen.
this is an interesting race. >> there's no one to watch in line. >> they usually do the line about democrats fall in love, republicans fall in line. but i think it's interesting that ted cruz seems to have just written off the hispanic vote. he's decided to oppose immigration, but he's clearly worried about the women's vote. he and rand paul have joined with senator gillibrand on the sexual assault in the military bill, and that is a funny place for him to be. because it's basically saying take away the chain of command. and -- >> in opposition to most of the republican leadership. >> and older democrats as well. this is generational to some degree. but it's also a place where he's clearly going. >> you're from texas, you also worked with the senator on the bush campaign. >> and the first campaign in '99 and 2000. ted cruz is a very smart guy,
a very ambitious guy. i thought it was so telling in your piece, one of the most telling things that i learned about ted cruz is when he's looking at a painting of himself before the supreme court and he says i look at this painting and i'm humbled by it. it's a telling sign. i think, ted -- >> except maybe running for president. >> i think he has to be careful of as i listen to the interview is two things, first, obviously barack obama running for president, basically having not served in the u.s. senate for three years or whatever it was, he set a standard that ironically republicans totally criticized. how can he run? he's not experienced enough. he's got to be careful about being in too much of a hurry. sometimes being in a hurry gets you a place faster, but sometimes being in a hurry gets you in an accident. the other thing, george, i think, is he mentioned republicans win when they're run as conservatives. actually if you think about when people win for president, what they are, they can be a certain ideology.
more liberal like barack obama or conservative like george bush or ronald reagan, but they speak to the middle. i have not seen evidence he can speak to the middle of the country. you have to be able to speak to the middle of the country to get elected. >> you're nodding your head. >> i think that's probably, not probably. ted cruz is an excellent national politician and retail politician. so that's good. going to iowa keeps his name in the paper and keeps him with having a national profile for some big pieces of legislation coming down the pike. one of the questions i will be looking to see answered is on the fundraising piece. can he turn that kind of national attention into something where you start to raise a lot of money? by next february, even though it feels early to talk about 2016, if you have to raise a billion dollars to run for president in 2016, you're going to have to start early and start banking that money right away. >> texas is good for that.
that helps. >> yes. what he was trying to say, the reason he has the painting there, he knows you can give it your all, and lose 9-0 in the supreme court. that is humbling. >> i think that's trying to say something more. >> the republican side is wide open. so many people going in there. do you think the prospect of hillary clinton with joe biden right behind her squashes all wannabes on the democratic side? >> i think so. i think it's more interesting to watch the republicans. i love it. i love it. partly, their congressional strategy is gerrymander the country for the safe seats in the house -- >> and so did the democrats. >> but they have districts that don't look like america at all. for their congressional rhetoric and strategy being so hard on immigration, not really where the middle of the country is anymore, i think their congressional strategy is making it hard to run for president. and marco rubio, as long as you
keep showing ted cruz, every democrat is happy. marco rubio is the one we're most afraid of, and he's given a sharp elbow by cruz and the fellow republicans. >> interesting. we have this conversation so many times in advance of the presidential race, and we say republicans are this and this, in the end, republicans want to win. they want to win the presidency back. and most of the time they nominate a conservative, but a conservative who can speak broadly and deeply to the values of the country. >> i'll tell you what, when you listen to ted cruz, you do not hear somebody, if you're moderate or liberal, you hear an ideologue. and i don't think that's going to work. >> and speaking of democrats, amy kobashar was in iowa, wasn't she? >> yeah, look for her. and a lot of these democrats will start to build an organization and make the final decision on running. >> meanwhile, back on the republican side, you're seeing something interesting happen in the senate on a number of issues. even though you have the polarization.
you talked about, van, in the last week we have seen bipartisan coalitions to get more of the president's appointments through. the bipartisan coalition on immigration on student loans. >> led my mccain and schumer in most cases. chuck schumer has turned out to be the bipartisan guy. >> on the republican side, but a lot of republicans are saying we to want get something done. >> that's true. i think people run to be obstructionist. i do they want good policy. the interesting thing on the student loan piece that the media blew right past, the republicans came to president obama's side and said here's the compromise, it was the left-wing democrats holding that up. showed that president obama still has some sway with them. he had a meeting on tuesday night at the white house and told the senate democrats and said get it together and get this behind us. guess what they did the next day? they got it done. that was telling. >> it was more democrats than republicans.
>> they're in a position to retake the senate, the republicans are, a very good position. but can't run on nothing as incumbent republicans. and the country is so mad at the congress right now, and they're madder at republicans than democrats according to the polls. they really do have to have something. >> i disagree on part of it, i think they're both drawing districts. drawing safe districts in california or texas. they're both working on. it's not good for the democracy of the country. the senate is different. state-wide, appeal to a broader constituency in most places, and i think cokie is right. republicans know if they're so far out on the right, and the obstruction -- >> but liz cheney is not playing -- >> we'll get to that. >> speaking of nominations, this was a complete cave in by republicans. >> i disagree. >> this was -- look -- the republicans spent two years blocking the nomination of
richard cordray to run the consumer protection bureau. therm adamant that there needed to be changes to the law and how it was put together. harry reid promised to go nuclear, they thought he was going to do it. >> they wanted two of the nominees, illegal appointees, they got them pulled. it's for every compromise, define it as a loss, then you're always going to be losing in america. you can't always define a compromise as a loss. >> there are a few -- >> the white house a month ago had no -- if i said so senior white house officials you're not going to have to make a change to get cordray. >> but they had to pull the two nominees. >> that's -- i do think it's sad that we have this incredible backlog of judicial appointments. that's not moving at all. >> same during the bush administration. >> this is worse. >> no, it's not. >> we can argue about it. but i think it's bad for the country. >> let's argue. >> i actually want to talk about liz cheney because this whole view that obstructionism is
something to move past, she said it's the height of patriotism to actually obstruct. >> but you see a similar dynamic, a lot of the republican establishment in the senate and the state of wyoming rising up against her. >> but some of that is to support enzi, they feel it was an insult to him. and he's somebody they know and like. so there's that. >> but also the people in wyoming, apparently, don't like it very much either with the polling data. but here's what's interesting to me. i watched liz cheney, i don't think she's big on potholes in wyoming, i don't think this is about the people of wyoming and not about the republican party that much. she's going to get a net zero increase in republicans. she's running for president. this is the cheney brand. she's running for president in 2020. the people of wyoming need to know they're being used. >> you were out in wyoming with her. >> i went to a rodeo with her when i was out there to
interview her father. don't underestimate her. this is a tough race. enzi is not the kind of guy who she can run against and say he's lost touch with wyoming. he never went to washington. this is going to be a tough race. she made it clear, her father is not going to be out on the campaign trail with her. she wants to prove she can win on her own. that's tough. >> senator enzi is not senator luger. he's the most ideological conservative senator in the senate. it's how to run from the right. he's too old, been there too long, he compromises too much, he doesn't compromise that much at all. >> it's about the cheney brand. >> the people in wyoming, i've been there a lot, i know liz, she's talented and smart and bright. but there is a sense of politeness and decorum and she jumped the line. >> growing up there, so i talked
to my aunt patty sue, memory lane's bowling alley in rawlings, wyoming. i have other family there that are building businesses and trying to make a living that way. and i assumed she would say something along the lines of, we like liz, but wait her turn. see how it goes. i was surprised. my aunt said the senate doesn't come with a lifetime guarantee, and i would take a listen to liz cheney. the republicans might be more willing to hear her out. >> congressional, senatorial daughter is going to announce, michelle nunn in georgia. she is a very different kind of breed. she's been in atlanta for years and years and years, working with the people of georgia. she's working on all kinds of issues. it's a different approach to coming into public service. >> we're just about out of time, less than a minute. but didn't want to leave without remembering helen thomas.
dean of the white house press corp. for so long. started with president kennedy. ten presidents she was in the first row asking tough questions. dana, you were in the same position i was in my first white house brief. she would not let me go, off the hook, i admired her tenacity and she brought the commitment to work every day. >> call on her in the front row. she's the only reporter who ever earned her own name on the seat in the briefing room. you call, helen. there was something that was going to come up that you were going to be angry about or frustrated with. i only lost my temper with her once. i liked her very much. the first day i did the tv briefing, she came up and could not have been more encouraging and said i was trustworthy and i worked hard not to lose that. >> she was very encouraging to young women journalists and they flocked around her as a hero because she really did try to smooth it. >> she could be wickedly funny too.
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year thanks to "orange is the new black" based on the book by piper kerman. it's a look at her year in prison. we spoke to her about the story behind bars. >> what did you do? >> are you not supposed to ask that? i read that you're not supposed to ask that. >> you read that? what do you do? study for prison? >> orange is the new black is the great reviewed new series from netflix about the suburban-bred woman who ends up in prison. it's based on the memory of a this woman, piper kerman. when you walked in with your blond hair and fancy background, did you get weird looks? >> when i walked in prison gates, i was frightened, and the last thing i expected was for kindnesses to be extended to
me from the other prisoners. but that's what i found. >> kerman's legal problems started when she was fresh out of college in the early 90s. >> i met and became involved in a relationship with a glamorous and sophisticated older woman who was involved with narcotics trafficking. with her request i carried a bag full of drug money from chicago to brussels and really frightened myself. >> she left her and moved to new york and moved in with her boyfriend, larry. many years later, the law caught up with her. >> i feel like i'm no a bourne movie. have you killed ? >> action. >> the show takes artistic liberties, but some of the scenes are straight out of her real life. >> those are kind of like toms. >> who's tom? >> tom's are shoes. they're great. they come in lots of different colors.
>> all right. strip. >> strip? >> absolutely. the female officer who processed me i think just went to great lengths to be as scary as possible. kerman says she's proud that this show humanizes prisoners. >> i'm going to call you dandy lion. >> she hopes it will make viewers think twice about the social and financial costs of maintaining the vast prisons and jails. >> incarceration doesn't rehabilitate people and allow them change their lives. >> are you saying we shouldn't lock people up? >> i think that non-violent low-level offenders can be dealt with in more more sensible ways than incarceration. a different punishment might have been more suitable for me. >> kerman ultimate served 13 months behind bars. her boyfriend who proposed right before she went in -- >> that's a yes, right? >> stood by her. >> we live a very settled existence these days.
>> happy ending for her. but kerman who helps newly released inmates through a group called the women's prison association is aware she had advantages many others do not. a problem she hopes this new show -- >> i'm cat linn. >> might be able to address. for "this week," dan harris. >> thanks to dan for that. thanks to the roundtable for a great discussion. now we honor our fellow american who serve and sacrifice. this week, the pentagon released the name of one soldier killed in afghanistan. and that is all for us today, thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news" with david muir tonight, and i'll see you on tomorrow on "gma."
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