tv This Week With George Stephanopoulos ABC February 28, 2016 8:00am-9:01am PST
starting right now on "this week" with george stephanopoulos. trump takes command. just two days till super tuesday. the billionaire front-runner rewriting the campaign playbook. >> we have a really good chance of winning. >> a former foe now joining his side. >> i'm proud and happy to be part of this team. >> while his rivals hit back harder than ever. >> worst spray tan in america. this is a scam. donald trump will never be the republican nominee. >> we're covering all the week's stunning surprises. and looking ahead to super tuesday. with chris christie and ted cruz here live. plus, hillary's landslide victory. >> tomorrow, this campaign goes national. [ cheers and applause ] >> is this the start of her big move?
bernie sanders responds here live. from abc news, a special super tuesday edition of "this week." here now, chief anchor george stephanopoulos. >> as we come on the air this week, it's getting harder and harder to find words to describe a presidential race sounding more and more like a grade school playground. hillary clinton and donald trump dominating the race. clinton trounced sanders in south carolina. cruising into super tuesday states with overwhelming support from african-american voters. and with donald trump ahead right now in nearly all the super tuesday states, marco rubio and ted cruz have unleashed a barrage of new attacks. trying to slow the trump steam roller. jon karl is here to start us off. good morning, jon. >> reporter: good morning, george. as he appears on the verge of winning it all, donald trump is facing his biggest test yet. a sustained assault of personal insults, attacks, and mockery
that looks like it could have been designed by trump himself. on the campaign trail saturday, donald trump predicted a super tuesday rout. >> hopefully, we'll win tennessee. we're going to win everything. i think we're even -- i think we have a great chance to win texas. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: after his double-digit wins in south carolina and nevada, some establishment republicans finally agree, he could actually win this thing. >> trump, he's got the momentum. i think there's a more than 50% chance he's the nominee. >> reporter: nowhere was that hammered home more than friday's shocking endorsement. >> we need a first class president. we're going to have it in donald trump. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: new jersey's tough guy governor chris christie, who once mocked trump as the entertainer in chief is now in his corner. with trump on the verge of an insurmountable lead, marco rubio has decided desperate times call for desperate measures. >> i don't know anything about bankrupting four companies. you bankrupted four companies.
>> and you know why? you know why? >> about starting a university that's a fake university. >> reporter: throughout the campaign, rubio insisted he wouldn't go after his fellow republicans. >> and i know there's this craving in the media for people to attack each other. i've never been a campaign that attacks people. >> reporter: now he's using trump's playbook. mocking the front-runner with personal insults. >> how can a person with the worst spray tan in america attack me on twitter for wearing makeup? he said he wanted to sue me. he's going to sue me. he should sue whoever did that to his face. >> reporter: besides the insult assault, rubio has a new label for the billionaire businessman. >> he's a con artist. con artist. i will never stop until we keep a con man from taking over the party of reagan. >> reporter: trump and his new wingman were happy to counter. >> lightweight rubio. total lightweight. little mouth on him. bing, bing, bing.
bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. >> when the heat was on senator rubio, you saw what happened. he melted. he melted. >> reporter: the campaign turns into a food fight. the question is, is rubio's aggressive strategy too little too late? so much at stake, senator lindsey graham had a colorful diagnosis for the state of the republican party. >> my party is going bat [ bleep ] crazy. [ laughter ] >> and jon karl joins us with the rest of "the roundtable." i want to start with hugh hewitt. salem radio networks. you were in the middle of that debate thursday night. you just heard lindsey graham, bat bleep crazy? >> i can't complain about the ferocity or the velocity. as roth said in "god father 2." this is the business we have chosen. i like covering things like that. we're on the verge of a tipping point. the republican party could split. i got word from meg whitman denouncing chris christie for political opportunism. that's a shattering thing when
your finance co-chair takes a roundhouse at you. >> split in the republican party? >> i don't know about that. it's entertaining. but it's not particularly inspirational by any of the candidates. we all probably shouldn't laugh and do laugh at the things that are said. you hear the audience laugh. the republican party has to come to terms with the fact that they're not inspiring. they're entertaining. >> and trying to come to terms with donald trump, the real possibility he's the nominee. >> absolutely. i'm told there are at least two dozen house republicans that have told their colleagues that they will not support donald trump as their nominee. so if he goes -- if he solidifies this on tuesday and goes on to win the nomination, he'll be the leader of a very divided republican party. >> the voters are supporting him. all the candidates can say, all the politicians can say, we won't support him. so far, the voters have. >> meantime, democratic side, donna brazile, the win for hillary clinton yesterday in south carolina. a higher percentage of the african-american vote. now, there were three candidates eight years ago. higher than barack obama.
>> everyone was surprised by the margin, the depth, the excitement she had in south carolina. her southern fire wall is in tact. but as you well know, this is a race about delegates, not just winning states. the real question is, will she be able to replicate that in other southern states like georgia, alabama, louisiana, mississippi? >> and katrina vanden heuvel. the ed dor of "the nation." you endorsed bernie sanders. does bernie sanders have a viable path? >> i think so. not so fast. don't write his obituary. there's a path ahead. 17 states vote in the next two weeks. whatever happens, he has -- and i think he has a path. he's injected new ideas into this campaign. transformed the democratic party. opened space for progressive movements. but as donna knows, it's way to early after south carolina. i think he goes to the convention. this goes through may. he'll have pledge delegates. he'll fight to shape the platform. >> we'll talk to him ahead.
i want you all to stand by. right now, to senator ted cruz. he's in arkansas. good morning, senator. >> good morning, george. good to be with you. >> thank you, senator. thanks for joining us this morning. new polls out this morning showing you looking pretty good in texas. donald trump strong in so many other super tuesday states. if he wins everywhere else, how can you prevent him from getting the nomination? >> i think super tuesday will be the most important day of the entire primary. and it is right now. we're in a strong position in texas. we're running neck and neck with donald throughout states on super tuesday. and i think it really depends on turnout. if conservatives come out and vote on super tuesday, we'll have a strong day. it also depends, george -- 65% of republicans believe that donald trump is not the best candidate to go head to head with hillary clinton. donald trump loses to hillary clinton. and the only candidate that has beaten donald trump, the only candidate that can beat donald trump is me. more and more republicans are
recognizing donald trump is not the right person for us to nominate. if we come together and stand united on super tuesday, we'll have a good election. >> donald trump is winning among conservatives. winning among your strong base of evangelical christians. >> i think the debate last week started to show significant differences. in particular, you saw washington dealmakers -- it's washington dealmakers that have gotten us into this mess. donald promises more deals with democrats. he's contributed to jimmy carter, john kerry, hillary clinton, chuck schumer. he's someone who has funded open-border democrats for 40 years. one of the striking things. donald talks about immigration. in the 2013 battle over amnesty. when i was leading the fight against the rubio-schumer, gang of eight amnesty bill, and we defeated it in congress, donald trump was finding the gang of
eight. five of the eight members of the gang of eight received collectively over $50,000 from donald trump. you can't fund open border democrats and say you're going to secure the border and stop illegal immigration. >> you have made that point about him supporting democrats for weeks. it doesn't seem to be sticking. why not? >> listen, i think we're seeing real movement in the polls. we won in iowa. i think on super tuesday, we'll have a good night. you know, i gotta say, george, it was striking at the debate this week, when donald trump does agreed with me. number one, on israel. he said america should be neutral between israel and the palestinians. i strongly disagree. with him on that. if i'm president, america will stand unapologetically with israel. but he also disagreed with me on the supreme court and religious liberty. he said, ted, you have to be willing to cut deals. to compromise. i'll tell you right now. i'll tell the people at home. i'm not going to compromise on
the bill of rights. i'm not going to bargain away your religious liberty, i'm not going to bargain away your second amendment rights and sit down with harry reid or chuck schumer and agree on supreme court nominees. we need a president who will invest the political capital to defend your constitutional liberties. donald trump told us at the debate, he doesn't intend to do that. there's a reason when harry reid was asked about the republican field said the republican he likes the best was donald trump, he said, because i can work with him. he'll cut deals. we've had too many deals in washington. it's why we're bankrupting our kids and grandkids. >> you have made a big issue of donald trump's taxes. now released summaries of your own returns. if he releases those same kind of summaries, will that be enough? what do you think of his statement that he believes he might be targeted by the irs because he's a christian? >> well, i -- i think his statement. nobody that heard it has any reaction other than laughter. listen, i've released now nine years of my taxes.
donald trump has not released any of his tax information. he needs to release his tax information and the fact that he's refusing to do so really suggests as mitt romney pointed out, that there may be a bombshell in there. something he's hiding. >> what you to think it is? >> a lot of media outlets have reported he doesn't make nearly as much money as he says he does. you know, who knows? maybe the fact is that mitt romney is richer than donald trump? we don't know. but he's clearly hiding something. on the other hand, it could be donations to liberal groups like planned parenthood. at every debate, it seems, he's praising them. maybe he's written them a bunch of checks. or, you know, maybe there are other issues. for example, there have been multimillion media reports about donald's business dealings with the mob, with the mafia. maybe those tax returns show that those business dealings are a lot more extended than being reported. >> with the mafia? >> indeed, abc has reported that. you have reported he's done deals with s & a concrete, owned by two of the big crime families in new york.
and that he's had involvement in atlantic city. maybe that's what his tax returns show. we don't know. but the important point is, george, in the general election, hillary clinton is going to shine a light on all of this. republican primary voters deserve to know. and the media will amplify the democrat attacks. the primary voters deserve to know, if there's a scandal, if there is, as mitt romney put it, a bombshell in donald trump's taxes, we deserve to know, the voters deserve to know and to vet the candidates. >> elected officials, republicans are getting increase iing ingly nervous, and some are calling on you, respective franks, from arizona, urges you to join forces. they can unite and win together or remain apart and each fail separately. for the sake of our country, the conservative cause, and future generations, i adjure them to unite. >> well, listen. i agree with the sentiment that
to beat donald trump, we've got to come together. what donald wants is all of us who are convinced donald is not the right nominee to be splintered. divided. looking at this race, only one candidate that has beaten donald trump. historically, in modern times, no one has won the nomination who hasn't won one of the fist three states. iowa, new hampshire, south carolina. only two of us have done that. me and donald. if you look at super tuesday. we're the only campaign in a position to beat donald on super tuesday. if you're at home and you don't think donald is the right candidate. you think nominating him will end up electing hillary clinton, even if perhaps you like another candidate, listen, there are a lot of good people in the race that i like and respect. i would encourage you to stand with us. the only way to beat donald is to stand together on super tuesday. >> sounds like you're not ready to unite with marco rubio. thank you for joining us this morning. and we're live next with chris christie in a "this week" exclusive.
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i am proud to be here to endorse donald trump for president of the united states. he'll provide strong, unequivocal leadership. he'll do what needs to be done to protect the american people, first and foremost. both in the homeland and in creating jobs for this country. and he'll make sure that people around the world know that america keeps its word again. donald trump is someone who, when he makes a promise, he keeps it. >> and chris christie is here with us this morning. thank you for joining us, governor.
you heard hugh hewitt read from the meg whitman statement. your national finance cochair. says that your endorsement of donald trump and astonishing display of political opportunism. donald trump is unfit to be president. a dishonest demagogue who plays on our worst fears. i call on christie donors and supporters to reject the governor and donald trump outright. i believe they will. for some of us, principle and country still matter. >> well, i love meg whitman. she's a great friend to me and mary pat. always has been. we obviously from that statement have a difference of political opinion. that's okay. that's what makes this country great. people can have differences of political opinion. meg has been free to express her views. i honor her. and we -- we absolutely adore our relationship with her. and i'm sure it will continue. >> some supporters said you promised you wouldn't endorse donald trump. joe mcquaid said you promised him on a phone call. you wouldn't endorse donald trump. >> that's not true. me called me two days after the primary. and said -- i was just told you're about to
endorse donald trump. i said, that's absolutely untrue. i'm not about to endorse anybody. but that's all the conversation was. >> you didn't say you never would endorse him? >> i said i would not endorse him then. he had a new hampshire person on the ground tell him that. i said, joe, it's two days after the primary. we're taking a deep breath. we haven't thought about what we're going to do next in this race. >> during your campaign, you ran as straight-talking truth teller. specific answers to america's challenges. you told voters to question mr. trump. >> i tell everybody who goes to a donald trump event, if you get to ask a question, just ask him how? first he says he'll build a wall across the entire border between the united states and mexico. how? how is he going to make the mexicans pay for the wall? how? they are a sovereign nation. >> you're backing him now. what's the answer? >> the answer is, he will do it. >> how? >> the fact is, he's going to
have to answer that question. he will. george this is february of a campaign. and let's say this. you look at everyone else on the stage, um, and there have not been many more specifics from a lot of other folks on the stage. that was part of my argument during the campaign. there i am, as somebody running for president, making my argument. >> we're eight months into this campaign. the wall is his signature issue. his go-to line when he needs applause. you have had the mexican president, two former mexican presidents. the mexican foreign minister in "the washington post" this morning calls this a racist, ignorant, absurd proposal. you know mexico is not going to pay. >> what would you expect them to say? that's of course what they're going to say. >> how does donald force them to pay? >> i think there are great ways to use diplomacy and other tools to come to compromise with nations that are both or neighbors and around the world. we'll work on those things. that's what leadership does. strong leadership is able to exert those things and talk to folks about what advantages and disadvantages are of certain policies.
the fact of the matter is, there won't be question about mr. trump's strength and his resoluteness in terms of getting things done that he's wanted to get done. >> what is the answer to the how? that's the standard you set. >> it is the standard i set. he'll answer the question. to me, i'm not answering it. it's the way he'll answer it. >> but he hasn't answered it. >> i think what he's talked about is the trade relationship and working on the trade relationship. he talked about that yesterday. and using that as a lever to get them to do things. it's part of a bilateral relationship. >> before you were opposed to tariffs. >> i'm not going to support everything in any campaign. but what i will say is, an appropriate conversation between two countries, there are all types of appropriate conversations to have between two countries. that will happen when mr. trump is president. >> your signature issue was entitlement reform. reforming social security, medicare, medicaid are essential.
it's time for a dntd who speaks hard truths. donald trump is the only candidate saying he won't touch social security. here's what you said about that. >> mr. trump, what would you do on social security? when i become president, the entire country is going to get so wealthy, so amazingly wealthy and rich, we're not going to have to worry about social security. how? >> again, the question is how? >> yeah, and listen, i think we need to do something on social security. i've made that clear. donald trump and i are not going to agree on every issue. >> this is the signature issue of your campaign. >> we don't have to agree on every issue. it's not the signature issue of my campaign. the signature issue of my campaign was national security, keeping america safe and secure from terrorist attacks and making us a better ally and neighbor around the world. that was the signature issue. social security is an important issue. i've laid out my views. i'll share them with the candidate. the fact of the matter is when you look up on that stage, no one else has a plan on social security.
>> he said thursday night -- >> no one else has a plan on social security. so why aren't we testing all these other candidates as well. >> i have asked all the candidates lots of questions on that issue. >> and none of them have an answer. >> at the debate on thursday night, he said the answer of social security is eliminating waste, fraud, abuse. in all of your speeches, you said, that's not an answer. we need hard truths. >> i'm not disagreeing what you're saying. >> so you're disagreeing with donald trump? >> what i'm saying is he'll give more complete answers as time goes on on these issues. let's hold every candidate to that same standard. let's hold every candidate to that same standard. the difference in the race is, some members of the media and others want to hold mr. trump to a different standard than the other candidates. let's get senator rubio, senator cruise. governor kasich. >> don't you think they've been more specific than donald trump? >> on social security? absolutely not. i'm the only person who put out a specific plan on social
security. so let's hold everybody to the same standard. i'm happy to do that. >> you do not believe you can solve the problem of social security by eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse. >> no. i put out what my plan was on social security. and by the way, that was on a bigger issue. his answer was on paying for a tax cut. that was not just on social security. it was on paying for a tax cut. >> he said that on social security many times. i want to get to national security. you made that a central issue of your campaign. one of the issues of donald trump is this ban on having muslims enter america. here's what you said about that. >> the idea of banning all muslims from this country is ridiculous. the reason it's ridiculous is because you don't have to do that to make america safe. when donald trump said that, he was dead wrong. he's dead wrong now. >> is he dead wrong now? >> listen, and that's not what he says any longer. he's backed off of that position. >> only for citizens. >> well, that's a big difference, george. >> he's still banning muslims from coming into the united states. >> it's a big difference from where the position was. and what we need -- >> so you endorse the one he has now? >> excuse me. let me answer, george. what we need to do is have a
coherent national security policy that is clear. that says that we need to go after folks who want to do harm to this country. and having good, competent law enforcement, mr. trump has talked about restoring nsa authority. which some people in the race have not been in favor of, like senator cruz. he's stood up and said he wants to make our military stronger. which we need to do. stood up for law enforcement in ways other candidates have not done. so let's not just take one section of it and make it the entire national security policy. there's been a lot of other conversations. i'll continue to have conversations about this with him as the campaign goes forward. to make all of these things more fulsome. we're at the end of february. >> he announced in june. >> donald trump will be the republican nominee for president of the united states. he'll bring the race to hillary clinton. he's the best candidate to beat hillary clinton in november. and the best candidate to secure national security. >> on the muslim ban, are you saying you endorse the ban on
having noncitizen muslims -- >> that's not what i'm saying. that's one piece of the overall approach. >> you disagree with it. >> i said it plainly. listen, george. here's the bottom line. elections are choices. and you look at the candidates up on the stage and you decide, all things considered, who is the best choice? i tell voters this all time. if you want to vote for the candidate you agree with 100% of the time, go home and look in the mirror. you're the only person you agree with 100% of the time. whether it's you or me. we can play the game that, everything -- i ran against the guy. of course there are things i disagree with him on. this is now a choice. of the candidates on the stage, he's the best one to beat hillary clinton. that's job one for the republicans. we do not want hillary clinton in the white house. he's the best person to beat her and help keep america safe. >> i just pointed out three of the biggest issues in the campaign. the ones he talks about all the time. you disagree on all those issues. when you say he'll do what needs
to be done, what are you talking about? >> a whole lot of things. we haven't touched on the economy. he's got a solid record to make the tax code better. opportunity better. lower regulation. he's laid out those plans. the fact is he's going to do things for this economy that need to be done to make america safer. not only from national security perspective. for people to invest in america. >> besides his tax plan, what are you referring to? >> he's laid out a plan on regulatory reform. to lower regulations in this country. the idea of making sure small business folks are empowered once again. to be able to create jobs for people. there's been a lot of things laid out in this campaign that merit real consideration. real support. and we're not going to agree on every issue. i wouldn't agree if i were here this morning supporting any of the other candidates that remain on the stage. we would have major disagreements with each other. we ran against each other. but let me tell you. they're minor disagreements to what will happen if we have
hillary clinton as president of the united states. she's moving so far to the left to beat bernie sanders, i don't know which one is the socialist, hillary clinton or bernie sanders. they're both so far to the left. >> you talk about donald trump as the person who can be trusted. he still maintains he saw thousands of people celebrating in new jersey after the 9/11 attacks. you said that didn't happen. if he continues to hold that position, isn't that a slander of your state's citizens? >> i don't think he means it as a slander of my state's citizens. when i say he can be trusted, this is a guy, when he makes promises, he keeps them. i've seen that over the course of a 14-year relationship with him. i didn't just meet him in august of 2015. on the debate stage. i met him in 2002. i have been friends with him and gotten to know him. the american people out there, you listen to what is happening, george. the american people see him, they see someone who is strong, resolute, tough, not part of the d.c. establishment, that has messed this country up and disappointed our people.
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[ cheers and applause ] >> there's senator marco rubio yesterday. we're joined by governor nikki haley, of south carolina who has endorsed senator rubio. thank you for joining us, govern governor haley. right now, we're looking at the super tuesday states. he's behind in every single state. right now, has not won a single state yet. how can he go on if he's 0 for 15? >> oh, this is what we to in elections. you keep fighting until the very end. that's why you're seeing him do rallies three and four times a day. you don't know until election day. and i think we've seen that in every state. there's been some surprises. he continues to surprise in every state that he comes to. if you look at his rallies, they're getting bigger and bigger. the most amazing part is, look at who is in the rallies. young, old, all races, all types of people. he's starting a conservative movement that is picking up a lot of people we haven't seen in a long time. >> you seem to call out donald trump in your response to the state of the union in january. it wasn't until this week, we saw marco rubio take on donald trump.
did he wait too long? >> i don't know if he waited too long. but i'll tell you, donald trump is everything we hear and teach our kids not to do in kindergarten. we have seen unacceptable behavior. over and over again. i think what we see from marco is what we tell our children. if a bully hits you, you hit back. i think marco hit back. he's willing to lead. willing to fight. he'll have the passion to do it. >> some would say he's stooping to the same level. >> i don't know if you stoop to the same level. what you don't do is you don't walk away from it. when a bully comes after you, you go back. i think he punched. i think he punched hard. i think it was on policy. i think he made sure that everybody understood that there are a lot of questions that donald trump hasn't answered. it's amazing. i'm an accountant. you could be undergoing an audit. there's to reason he can't release last year's tax run returns. why is he not doing that? you look at all these issues. this is one more project that donald trump is doing. trump university. trump vodka. trump airlines. trump mortgage. all failed projects. this is one more project.
and we're really concerned about where that's going to be. i think it's right for marco to bring these things out. >> what will a win for donald trump in the nomination fight mean for your party? >> well, it's -- it's scary. this is where we think these next few states matter. because it will start to ask him the questions and get the answers. he's -- there are two presidential candidates right now undergoing legal issues. hillary clinton and donald trump. there's two presidential candidates not disclosing information. hillary clinton and donald trump. we need to make sure we get that. what we know right now is, we have a candidate that's being accused of fraud. with trump university. we've got students that have a lawsuit against him. we're seeing things with donald trump with no answers. i have seen him talk about being for universal health care. i've seen him talk about wanting to do things. he's not giving us the answers for it. so i think what he'll do to the republican party is really make us question who we are and what we're about. that's something we don't want
to see happen. >> you heard governor christie say he thinks donald trump is the only candidate left in the race that can defeat hillary clinton. >> that's just not true. chris is a dear friend. none of us understands why he did this. i will tell you, donald trump can't beat hillary clinton. his negatives are so high. his cap is at 35%. it's impossible for him to win a general. marco rubio is the only one that can defeat donald trump and can beat hillary clinton. and will win in november. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you so much, george. now to the democrats after her massive win in south carolina last night, hillary clinton set her sights on the general election. >> despite what you hear, we don't need to make america great again. america has never stopped being great. [ cheers and applause ] but, we do need to make america whole again. tomorrow, this campaign goes national! [ cheers and applause ] >> a confident hillary clinton there.
we're joined by bernie sanders. he joins us this morning. thank you for joining us, senator sanders. appreciate you being with us this morning. what do you make of what happened in south carolina? nearly a 50-point win for secretary clinton. >> we got decimated. we got decimated. the only positive thing for us is we won the actually -- the 29 years of age and younger vote. and that was good. but we got killed. but, i'm in minnesota now. we think we're going to do very well in minnesota on super tuesday. colorado, we'll do well. oklahoma we're going to do well. i think we'll win in massachusetts. i believe we'll win in vermont. we'll do better than people think in other states. george, we began this campaign, as you know, at 3% in the polls. 60 or 70 points behind secretary clinton. we have come a very long way. our message about a rigged economy, rich get richer, everyone else gets poorer, is resonating. i'll tell you what else is resonating. a corrupt campaign finance system that's allowing billionaires to buy elections. i think we have the momentum.
i think it's going to be a tough fight. i think we can win this thing. >> from the start, you have been a straight talker. to come right out and say you were decimated, you're continuing that tradition as well. let's follow up on south carolina. the vote in the african-american community. something like 85% for hillary clinton. you have going forward about 25% of if voters in the democratic primaries are african-americans. aren't you going to have to do much better, reach out to that community to have a chance for this nomination? >> yes. absolutely. absolutely. but i do think, no argument with you. you're correct. but i think you're going to see us doing, and i think the polls indicate it, much better with the african-american community outside of the deep south. you're going to see us much better in new york. where i think we have a shot to win. in california. in michigan. we're going to have to do a lot better. i think what we're doing is putting together a coalition of working class people. of young people. of many other folks who understand that the economy today is not working for the middle class.
it's working for the people on top. people who have strong reservations about secretary clinton's foreign policy. her vote for the war in iraq. so we think we have come a long way. we think we have a lot of work in front of us. but george, i think we can win this thing. >> looking ahead to super tuesday. new polls out this morning show secretary clinton with large leads in the southern states, texas, tennessee, florida. she'll build up delegates there. you'll win big in your home state of vermont. where else can you win on super tuesday? if you don't win in other states, how can you go on? >> we're going to go on to california, where we think we have a real shot. and where most, the state with the most delegates. bob reich, former clinton secretary of labor, just endorsed me the other day. i think we have a good chance to win in massachusetts. in massachusetts, a lot of young people are burdened with
outrageous student debt. the young people and their parents want colleges to be tuition free. they want the wealthy corporations to start paying their fair share of taxes. in oklahoma, tulsa, we had great turnout. we're going to oklahoma city later today. we were in texas yesterday. we had 10,000 people out in austin. 8,000 in dallas. it's a tough state for us. but i think we're going to do better than the polling indicated. i think we have a shot to win a number of states on super tuesday. do better than people thought. i think, in other states. and i think in some of the larger states, like michigan, new york state, california, we have a shot to win those states. >> and as you say, on to california. thank you for joining us this morning, senator sanders. >> thank you. and we'll be right back with our powerhouse "roundtable."
american politics has never been particularly gentle or high-minded. thomas jefferson's opponent tried to stir things up by suggesting he was a muslim. so i'm in good company. [ laughter ] his vice president, aaron burr, literally killed alexander hamilton in a duel. lincoln himself was routinely called weak, wishy-washy, a yah yahoo. an unshapely man. the obscene ape of illinois.
and my favorite, a facetious petty fogger. i don't know what that means. but it sounds insulting. >> president obama saying don't worry too much about the campaign rhetoric. that was before this week. we're back with our "roundtable." jon karl. greta van susteren. from fox news. katrina vanden heuvel. editor and publisher of "the nation." hugh hewitt. donna brazile. we're hearing a lot of different voices. you're seeing something relatively unusual. with donald trump in command. all of a sudden this barrage. the question is, is it too late? >> the big question is what took so long? trump has been out there for seventh months, basically unchallenged. now you have a joint, mutual destruction pact with cruz and rubio going right after him. it's remarkable how similar the attacks are.
he didn't earn it. he got $200 million from his daddy. he's a con man. beating up on the little guy. that's how he's built up. they're on the same message. i even hear that the cruz superpac will go after trump in florida. >> trying to deny him the victory. greta vn us is van susteren, it seems like they're throwing everything up on the wall. what attack is trump most worried about? >> i don't think he's worried about anything. look at the vote. he's won everything but iowa. he likely won't win texas. he's ahead in all the other polls. including florida. the home state of marco rubio. no matter how much the party leaders talk about it. and say they might not want trump. no matter how much the pundits say it. apparently the voters feel differently, at least so far. >> does the establishment -- is there an establishment first? and can they stop donald trump. >> there isn't. big news today when ted cruz opened the door to working with marco rubio. i heard chris christie. by the way tough interview.
chris christie said, job number one is beating hillary clinton. at the final day, end of the day, everyone will come together about that. after all the chairs are thrown. >> behind donald trump? >> whoever is the nominee. the supreme court vacancy upped the stakes of this race. heller gets overturned. citizens united, first amendment. and most importantly, hobby lobby, which protects free exercise of the religious rights. it gets overturned if donna's friend, mrs. clinton, gets to make appointments to the court. >> there's an article of faith inside the party that marco rubio would be the toughest candidate for hillary clinton in a general election. you had a cover story in "the nation." saying, wait a second, donald trump could be tougher for the democrats than you think. >> yeah, donald trump, you know, he's speaking to the pain. the economic pain in the country. i thinks he has the ability, with the politics of hate and division, to go into big states and speak to the economic pain. it's incumbent on the democrats
to have a bold response about jobs. about trade. about a different economic way. but not through the politics of division. but through inclusion. if i could say one thing. media mall -- malpractice. if trumpian authoritarianism wins -- >> trumpian authoritarianism? >> yes. jean le pen endorsed him the other day. i think the on scene obsession of cable ptv primarily. the lust for cheap, high ratings has created a politics of spectacle that we're all seeing the outcome of. i think when we look back at this election, the upending, rules-changing, shredding election, the media has played a critical role. >> do we not cover this? what do we do -- >> we do it as spectacle.
we don't see much. bernie sanders is getting coverage. but he's getting -- >> because he's getting more -- >> despite the media's marginalization of him. in those first months. >> wait a second. i think you're right that donald trump has been masterful at exploiting the media. but he's also been asked all the questions. it appears so far, the republican primary voters that go to vote like what they're hearing, despite his inconsistencies are exposed. >> you did a tough interview with chris christie. but the clacking. the clacking of heels of the republican party. >> oh, katrina. when you run a nation cover story on hillary clinton violating the national security of the united states. on 793. when you run that story, then i'll believe media malpractice. >> gabbard of hawaii just endorsed bernie sanders. you know why? for the same reason "the nation" has called out hillary clinton's
hawkishness. it's a disgrace in this election. it's a disgrace in this election that we have global crisis -- that we have not had a serious discussion about foreign policy. >> i have asked bernie sanders to come on our show a million times. he won't do our show. so how do i cover him? >> democrats, donald trump, are they underestimating him? >> i don't think we're underestimating any of the republicans. an their ability to attract blue collar voters and perhaps others. donald trump would have a perhaps a better opportunity than marco rubio to litigate his case in michigan. ohio, pennsylvania. possibly wisconsin. i think at the end of the day, democrats will be able to overcome this so called trump surge. i want to get back to my good friend here. with the supreme court. as you know. i think the president should nominate somebody. >> shall. constitution says shall. >> george, we had an interesting break. thanks to chris christie, it got
even more interesting. i think the president should nominate someone. i think the republicans continue to be obstructionist, that is going to hurt them. all of that is on the table. >> i want to go back to the question at the top of the show. how republicans will handle the rise of donald trump if it continues. there was reporting in "the new york times" that the republican leader in the senate, senator mcconnell, is telling his colleagues, listen, if he becomes a burden for you, donald trump, don't be afraid to run ads against him. >> paul ryan will be the chairperson of that republican convention in cleveland. he's right now the leader of the republican party. he's the antithesis of donald trump on every major issue. from entitlement reform, to foreign spol policy. to immigration. he's standing the exact opposite of trump. i think getting back to to original question. arguably, at the beginning of
this, it was tougher per donald trump to get the republican nomination. where he's stood over the course of time in his public life than it will be for him to win the general election. he can make an appeal. he's reaching out to what we used to call reagan democrats. he'll put new states in play. if he wins the republican nomination, don't underestimate -- >> it helps immunize him. against these attacks in a general campaign. he'll have his secret weapon back. ivanka. notably, she was not in the audience at the debate the other night because of her pregnancy. she is and his kids are his secret weapon. i want all the attacks out now. i don't want them dumped on him. >> all the attacks right now, which are the ones that you think have the most potential to stick and be a problem? >> trump university. it resonates for so many people who have gotten so little from so much promise. >> i think you're seeing first of all, chris christie and donald trump have one thing in common. bullies. bullies come together. we now have a ticket, by the way, the wall builder and the bridge closer. but i think when donald trump
turns on or abuses ordinary people who support him, you could have a moment a little bit like the elia kazan -- you're going to the oscars. the elia kazaf film, "a face in the crowds." where a beloved huckster has an open, hot mike and starts degrading the people that believe in trump. he's a frankenstein. donald trump is the product of a republican party which has played dog whistle races and nativism for decades. >> you go back to my hometown in wisconsin, they're pretty fed up with all the successes of all the other politicians which have not been successes. they've been failures. they're throwing a hail mary pass, whether for your candidate or donald trump. they're saying they may not like the language he uses. but at least he's speaking out on the issues. confronting them differently than the other politicians we have been talking about. they like him. >> and that's the electoral terrain that we're both dealing with on the republican and democratic side.
we have four black nominees tonight. so cra. it's kind of like the def oscar jam tonight. at least they make movies for white people to enjoy. real movies with plots. with actors. not rappers. with real names. like, you know, like "catch me if you can." you know, like, "saving private ryan." black movies don't have real names. you get names like "barbershop." that's not a name. that's just a location. >> that was chris rock back in 2005. his last hosting stint at the oscars. he'll be on the stage again
tonight. the oscars just hours away right here on abc. chris connelly live in hollywood. thanks for joining us. how do you expect this diversity controversy to play out tonight? >> i think we'll see a whole lot of diversity in the presenters. i think we'll see commentary in acceptance speeches. i think chris rock is going to place the first ten rows of the audience on blast. and by extension, not just the actors who happen to be there. but the entire hollywood power structure. this is a moment of speaking truth to power, i think, people like chris rock feel. and he's going to live up to that moment. >> it could be incredible. i agree with you. how about on the oscars themselves? any locks tonight? >> i think leonardo dicaprio. is a lock for best actor. and brie larson. a lock for best actress. these with two people that have won every competition they've been in since the end of the year. former child actors both of them. reaching the pinnacle as adults. >> what surprise are you ready for? >> well, let's put it this way. in 1964, as you know, george,
henry cabot lodge won the republican primary in new hampshire as a write-in. the oscars don't have those. because the they did, idris elba might leave here tonight with best supporting actor. they don't, so he won't. i guess sylvester stallone is still the leader in that category. >> i love that you got henry cabot lodge into the oscars. chris connelly, thank you very much. that's all for us this sunday. stay with us for super tuesday. i'll be here with the whole team, for a prime time special. starting at 10:00 eastern tuesday night. plus special editions of "good morning america" and "world news." i'll see you tomorrow on the "gma" oscar special from hollywood.
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