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starting right now on "this week" with george stephanopoulos. trump's crowning moment. >> i am your voice. >> republicans united against a common foe. >> hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton. >> but with ted cruz breaking ranks. >> i'm not in the habit of supporting people who attack my wife and attack my father. >> can they rally around their unconventional nominee? and clinton's big chance. heading to philly with her new vp by her side. >> when donald trump says he has your back, you better watch out. >> as the race to the finish line begins. we talk to both campaign managers, here, live. and the new e-mail leak. did the dnc rig the system for clinton? will this tear a hole in the
fabric of the democratic party? bernie sanders is here. from abc news, it's "this week" live from the democratic national convention in philadelphia. here now, chief anchor george stephanopoulos. >> welcome to philadelphia. where democrats will make history this week with the country's first female nominee. so many americans have known hillary clinton all their lives. a whole bunch haven't liked her all that much either. this week, her best chance to convince skeptics the candidate they know can deliver the change they want. and hillary kicked it all off in miami, calling her new running mate the anti-trump. >> senator tim kaine is everything donald trump and mike pence are not. while tim was taking on housing discrimination and homelessness, donald trump was denying apartments to people who were
african-american. >> reporter: kaine opened in spanish. [ speaking spanish ] >> reporter: blasted trump. >> he leaves a trail of broken promises and wrecked lives wherever he goes. >> reporter: and validated his new boss. >> hillary clinton is the direct opposite of donald trump. she doesn't insult people. she listens to them. what a novel concept, right? she doesn't trash our allies. she respects them. >> reporter: kaine checked off all the running mate boxes. but the democratic ticket faces some big questions this week. will they energize bernie sanders supporters who are angered by those leaked e-mails revealing dnc plots against their candidate? and they're disappointed by the pick of tim kaine, who hasn't always been a progressive favorite. can hillary dispel huge doubts about her honesty? questions that have plagued her
all year. hammered hard this cleveland all last week. finally, how does someone who has been in the white house, senate, state department, senate, 25 years, convince voters she can be the candidate of change? that's the challenge for the democrats. let's bring in jon karl for more on that. let's begin with the choice of tim kaine. it felt like it was headed in that direction for a long time. the pick of barack obama and bill clinton. you saw the speech he gave yesterday. what does the clinton team hope he brings to the ticket? >> reporter: certainly experience. it doesn't hurt that he speaks spanish. tim kaine has run for office eight times in the state of virginia. he's 8-0. won every single one of those. they hope he wins in a state that is key to their strategy. it was no accident that the announcement was in florida. the hillary clinton team believes if they can win florida and virginia, they've won the election.
>> you mentioned the offices tim kaine has held. they were doubling down on the experience. trying to draw the contrast with trump. >> reporter: there's a risk to that. he's got the experience. trump's campaign would say another word for experience is career politician. but look at those two announcements. i have never seen two vice presidential announcements more different. hillary clinton, you had more than 5,000 people in florida at an impeccably staged event. donald trump hastily thrown together in a new york conference room. a few dozen people there. trump and pence barely spent any time together on the stage. i think it's a sign of things to come. you'll see kaine out there a lot with clinton. i don't think you'll see pence with trump much. >> what you'll also see this week, all kinds of political power on the stage this week. a bit of a contrast from last week. you'll have two presidents on the podium. a first lady. a sitting vice president. >> reporter: the big thing they want to accomplish here is a contrast in message to what democrats will say is a gloomy,
let's talk about this more now with clinton's campaign manager robby mook. thanks for being here. ? sure. >> i have one here from brad marshall. working at the dnc. seemed to question bernie sanders' religion. does he believe in a god? he had skated on saying he has a jewish heritage. my southern baptist people will draw a big difference. you have debbie wasserman schultz calling sanders top aide a liar. is someone going to be he would accountable for these e-mails? >> my understanding is brad marshall has apologized. >> he has. >> nobody in politics should be attacked for their religion. ever. i think the dnc needs to get to the bottom of the facts and take appropriate lead on any of the e-mails. >> what more is there to know? we see what is in them. >> what's disturbing is that
russian state actors broke into the dnc, took all the e-mails, and are now leaking them out through these websites. they have to determine what's accurate, what's been doctored, what hasn't been. it's troubling that some experts are telling us this was done by the russians for the purpose of helping donald trump. >> for the purpose of helping donald trump? >> that's what some experts are saying. >> is that what you believe? >> i don't know. the experts need to tell us that. it was concerning that donald trump changed the republican platform last week to what some would regard as pro-russian. and so, again -- the dnc needs to look into this and take appropriate action. it's important to understand the broader perspective. of why this is happening. >> i want to stay on the wikileaks in a second. but you're raising important questions. do you think donald trump is too close to vladimir putin? >> i think what is troubling is how he's praised putin. last week, he said that, or he questioned whether nato should protect our eastern european allies. yes, i think that is troubling
for any american. from a national security standpoint. >> and on the wikileaks e-mails, some saying debbie wasserman shult schultz won't have a primetime speaking slot. will someone else take over the chair responsibilities? >> there's a lot we haven't figured out yet. we haven't put out the keynote yet. this is a very -- i was just on a call this morning. we're still making decisions and determining that. there's a lot of work to determine who is speaking when. >> does the clinton campaign believe that debbie wasserman schultz should be disciplined in some way for these e-mails? >> i think the dnc needs to get to the bottom of the facts. needs to understand what actually happened here. then appropriate action needs to be taken. right now, we're really focused on having a great convention. and celebrating the campaign of senator sanders and talking about why secretary clinton is running, her lifelong fight for
kids and families, the specific plans she has to get this economy working for everybody, not just those at the top. i think you'll see a tremendous difference between the republican convention, which was gloom and doom, discord, disunity, attacks on hillary clinton. you're going to see an optimistic, hopeful view at our future. >> should we be surprised if we don't see debbie wasserman schultz? >> you'll definitely see her. >> donald trump hit twitter. with some response to tim kaine. one thing he said was -- why did tim kaine have no problem when he took far a more money as governor of virginia than bob mcdonald. crooked hillary and rigged system. he's referring to the $120,000 in gifts tim kaine took, legal, under virginia law. your response? >> this is a rehashed attack that was launched against senator kaine in 2012 by the republicans. it's been totally debunked. he disclosed all donations properly.
there was never any wrongdoing whatsoever. donald trump is just afraid because tim kaine has had an outstanding reception. you had jeff flake, republican senator from arizona, praising him on twitter. trump's trying to muddy the waters on this. the fact of the matter is secretary clinton made an outstanding choice in senator kaine. and we couldn't be more excited. >> some progressives not happy. tim kaine supported trade agreements in the past that he's now against. he had spors supported the tpp. others saying he was too lax on the banks. not strong enough on issues like gay rights. some movement on the floor, to perhaps put another vice presidential candidate in for nomination. is that going to happen? will you try to stop it? >> tim kaine will be the vice presidential nominee. we couldn't be more excited about it. i heard from progressives all
across the country. they couldn't be more ploezed. he's been a fighter his entire life. a missionary in central america. this is someone who started his career as a civil rights lawyer. took on nationwide, one of the biggest corporations in the country. fought them over lending discrimination. he's going to -- he's a fantastic choice. i think you'll see really excited convention. >> another name won't be put in nomination? >> look, someone can try something, according to the rules. there's no question here. tim kaine is going to be her nominee. >> how about coming into this convention. you're still plagued by the questions of secretary clinton's honesty. our latest poll says that more than 70% of americans say she's too willing to bend the rules. it's clear that since the fbi announcement by james comey, you have taken a hit in the polls. how much damage has that done? how do you fix it? >> we're moving forward. what you'll see in the convention, in contrast to the republicans, is everyday
americans on stage talking about hillary clinton's lifelong fight for kids and families. the difference she's made in their lives. what a lot of americans don't understand is that this is someone who has fought her entire life to make other people's lives better. to break down barriers. once americans understand that, they'll have a fuller picture of secretary clinton. one other thing she'll talk about that donald trump didn't, she'll talk about her specific plans to make people's lives better. to get this economy working for everybody, not just those at the top. you'll hear an optimistic view of our future. she's going to unite the country to make a difference in people's lives. >> the all-star lineup. you'll have a lot of career politicians up there. how is that change? >> well, look, i think you're going to see a lot of different people on the stage. everyday americans talking about their lives. people from entertainment. we'll have some music. i -- and, look, i would argue, more people will watch this convention online than on television sets.
>> roobby mook, thank you very much. have a good week. >> thank you. we're joined by senator bernie sanders. in burlington, vermont. this morning. thank you for joining us this morning. have to begin with the wikileaks leaks. what did you think when you read them? harsh stuff in there. >> i think i told you a long time ago that the dnc was not running a fair operation. that they were supporting secretary clinton. so what i suggested to be true six months ago turns out, in fact, to be true. i'm not shocked. but i am disappointed. and that is the way it is. >> what should be done about it? >> well, you know, i also said months ago is that for a variety of reason, debbie wasserman schultz should not be chair of the dnc. i think these e-mails reiterate that reason why she should not
>> you know, jill stein, the green party candidate, has put out a tweet. she says -- if bernie sanders repudiates the democratic party that betrayed him, i would welcome him into the green party u.s. to continue the revolution. what do you say to that and to your supporters tempted to go and join the green party? >> this is a very momentous moment in american history. to my mind, what is most important now is the defeating of the worst candidate for president that i have seen in my lifetime. donald trump who is not qualified to be president by temperament. not qualified to be president by the ideas he's brought forth. we do not need a billionaire president who wants to give hundreds of billions in tax breaks to the top 1% but does not want to raise the minimum wage. we do not need to have a president who insults mexicans, latinos, muslims.
and women and veterans and african-americans. we need a president who brings us together, not divides us up. we don't need a president like a trump who doesn't believe in climate change. let alone wants to do something about it. rejecting science. so right now, we have got to defeat trump. we have to elect hillary clinton. we have to elect progressive candidates in the house, senate, school boards, city councils. and most importantly, we have to continue the fight for an agenda to create a government that works for all of us. not just the people on top. that's the mission i'll be supporting. >> you called donald trump the worst candidate in your lifetime. he was actually trying to hug you in his convention speech thursday night. let's listen. >> i have seen firsthand how the system is rigged against our citizens just like it was rigged against bernie sanders. he never had a chance. her bad instincts and her bad
judgment, something pointed out by bernie sanders, are what caused so many of the disasters unfolding today. >> clearly trying to appeal to some of your supporters and to you. we heard what you think about him. is there a chance some of your supporters will be attracted to him? given what he's said and how he's using you, do you regret any of your criticisms of hillary clinton? >> no. we got 13 million votes. i can't speak for what any of them will do. i think the vast majority of our supporters understand that in donald trump, i say this not happily, you have somebody who lies all of the time. somebody who wins his campaign just by vicious attacks against his opponents. somebody who has not brought forth any kind of serious agenda
that you've called for, to continue? >> well, the case to be made is that we have got to get people involved -- continue to get people involved in the political process at every level, george. that means not just for the u.s. senate. but it also means for school board and city council. we need to revitalize american democracy. we need to have people in all -- all over this country, having the courage to take on big money. and demand a set of policies that work for all of us and not just for the few. that means medicare for all. that means breaking up the large banks on wall street. creating millions of jobs by rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. one of the issues i'm really happy about is that recently, secretary clinton and i worked on an agreement on higher education. making public colleges and universities tuition free for every family in america earning
less than 125,000 bucks. didn't go as far as i wanted. it's 83% of the population in the country. clinton and i came to an agreement on expanding health insurance. and by making -- her proposal will allow people to opt into medicare. public options will be available. all over this country, providing less expensive health care. we have now -- i think, the most progressive agenda. the most progressive platform in the history of the democratic party. we have to continue to bring people in, fighting for an agenda that works for working families and having the courage to take on the big money people who control our economic and political life. and through citizens united, by the way, buying elections right now. >> thank you, senator sanders. we'll see you tomorrow night. >> thank you, george. >> we've heard from the democrats. donald trump's campaign manager, paul manafort joins us next. plus insights and analysis from our powerhouse
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comments about nato last week where he seemed to condition our support for our nato allies, shows a lack of preparedness on his part. he says the kind of rhetoric we have heard too often from mr. trump and others is helping to do isil's work for us. harsh charge. your response? >> well, he should be the one to be ashamed of what's going on in the world. the growth of isis occurred as a direct result of the policies that he and secretary clinton established when they took office in 2009. the world is an unsafe place today because of his failed leadership, not because of anything donald trump has done. the american people will be reminded over and over in this election that these baseless charges by obama and clinton are against a man who has been the outsider. not the establishment. the problems facing the world and the united states today of lawlessness and terrorism can directly be laid to the policies coming out of the white house
and out of the secretary of state's office when clinton was president. these charges are baseless. they have no credibility. we're going to continue to carry the case forward of what is wrong with america because of the failed leadership and what donald trump will do to correct the problems. >> how about the comments that mr. trump made to "the new york times" about nato seeming to condition support for allies. even your allies, like senator mitch mcconnell, said that was a mistake. was it? >> it wasn't. he was talking that the members of nato have a shared responsibility. burden-sharing. the united states is supportive of nato and continues to be. so is mr. trump. mr. trump is saying it's a two-way obligation. everybody has to carry their own weight. it's not a very radical thought. it's just calling the reality what it is. the difference is, when you have weak leadership, you don't enforce obligations and responsibilities, things continue to deteriorate. that's causing the problems we have in europe today and in the middle east where the leadership
of the united states has become insignificant and people don't care what the president of the united states says anymore. that's not tolerable. where there's weakness, there's chaos. and with a weak president, we have a chaotic world. donald trump will
come in, provide strong leadership. his positions will be clear. with that clarity is going to come a safer world. >> we heard robby mook this morning, the clinton campaign director, say russia was behind the release of the dnc e-mails, suggesting there are troubling signs of ties between the putin regime and your campaign. that's been echoed in "the weekly standard" bill kristol, no fan of mr. trump. the conservative weekly standard saying that when we support ukraine, there may be troubling ties between your campaign and the putin regime. he says, the trump and manafort
don't release the tax returns, wouldn't it be appropriate to check to see if putin is interfering in the current american election? how do you respond to that? >> it's pure obfuscation. they don't want to talk about what is in the e-mails. what's in the e-mails is that it's a clearly rigged system. bernie sanders never had chance. you'll see some of that resentment boiling over this week in philadelphia. wikileaks clearly uncovered what sanders has been saying and what donald trump has been saying. which is that, once again, the establishment and special interests picked their candidate, hillary clinton, and made sure nothing that the people were going to do or say was going to interfere with her selection. >> you're right. you're seeing the skirmishes on the floor this week. let me follow up on that from bill kristol who is not part of
the clinton cam a pain. are there ties between
you and your candidate, mr. trump, and the putin campaign? >> no, there are not. it's absurd. there's no basis to it. >> what do you make of the criticisms of last week's convention? including mr. trump's speech. he certainly had the crowd in his hands. commentary said it was too dark. not optimistic enough. not morning in america. your response? >> he had more than the people in the audience in the hall. cnn did a poll that showed over -- first of all, over 35 million people were watching. 75% of those watching said they were supportive of what mr. trump was saying and thought he could carry out his promises. the speech was not a dark speech. it was very optimistic. what mr. trump said in the beginning is unlike what you'll hear in philadelphia. he was going to tell the truth about what is going on in the country. all too often in the past, washington, special interests, hillary clinton, as part of the establishment, says, things are going to get better. just trust us. we know what to do.
give us your vote. we'll go to washington. we'll make a difference. after 25 years, the american people have said, enough. they get it. they understand that we need real change. mr. trump in his speech addressed those issues. first he talked about the lawlessness of the united states. he talked about the crisis in the world as far as terrorism is concerned. he talk about the causes of it. again, related to failed leadership out of the white house and out of hillary clinton. then, as he riled up the speech, he talked about a very specific agenda. he said i'm going to be your messenger. i hear what you're saying. unlike hillary clinton, who is saying be with me. mr. trump said, i'm going to be with you, the american people. this is what i'm going to do. he went through a litany of things he was going to do. from cutting taxes to cutting better trade deals. to building up our infrastructure. to have an energy policy that puts america first. a health care program that was going to get rid of the crazy costs of obama care and allow people to have logical, credible health programs.
to improve veterans rights. so veterans can choose hospitals of their choice. and not have to stand in long lines, which hillary clinton doesn't think is a problem. on and on he talked about solutions. it was not a dark speech. only for the democrats who see the end of their days coming. >> let's talk about electoral politics. you heard robby mook right there. are you really going to be spending time and money in places like connecticut and oregon? >> we have a poll that shows connecticut is almost even. the point is this. the map has expanded. and mr. mook's comments, he talked about how they're going to compete in pennsylvania. usually after the conventions, pennsylvania is in the democratic column. it's an example of how the map is expanding. pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, where working class americans have been promised a better life and have seen their paychecks deteriorate in value. where they, for the first time ever, according to pew poll, working class americans believe their children's future will be worse than theirs.
that's an incredible finding. and as a result, in a number of these states, the democratic coalition is not cracking. it's broken. and donald trump is hearing those voices. he's become their champion. you'll see a much wider map. we'll have many more ways to win. it's hillary clinton who will have a reduced option, not us. >> some speculation this morning that roger ailes, the exchairman of fox news, is going to be advising your campaign? is that true? >> i have no idea where that came from. so there's nothing i can say to that. roger is a voice that understands the american people. on fox, he created a news network that created balanced and fair reporting. as far as we're concerned, he's going to be missed there. >> paul manafort, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you, george. >> we've heard from the campaigns. our powerhouse "roundtable" is next.
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let's start with you, donna. you heard bernie sanders say debbie wasserman schultz should resign. over those e-mails, over that bias against him. will she? should she? >> welcome to philadelphia. i'm excited to be here. this will be an exciting convention. we're not just having 18 million tiny cracks. we're breaking the glass ceiling. now that i've gotten that out of the way. first of all, as vice chair, i went over yesterday to see the sanders campaign. i apologized. i think, the allegations, the e-mails, the insensitivity. the stupidity needs to be addressed. and we are going the address it. >> what does that mean? >> it means that the, first of all this is not just a one-day leak. there will be a substantial number of e-mails that i understand will be leaked over the next couple of days, weeks, months. because it was not a one-month breach or a two-month breach.
come to find out the russian hackers. and i have no conspiracy theories in my hands. >> robby mook had some. >> they've been involved -- they were in our system at the dnc for well over a year. so we will learn more. will some people have to step down? be removed and resign? i'm sure at the end of the day, yes. >> keith, you're a supporter of bernie sanders. what should happen? >> i'm with bernie on this. we're focused on getting rid of donald trump. making sure he's not the president of the united states. i agree with bernie. i'm disappointed to read about it. at the same time, we have the worst republican nominee since george wallace. we have somebody who is so dangerous, in a number of ways, not the least of which is his attacks on the press. his pulling press credentials. the first amendment says freedom of the press. he attacks the press regularly. i'm kind of focused on the job
mood that the country's in. and the desire for change that it's expressed. >> he just laid out two of the big challenges for hillary clinton this week. >> absolutely. my fear is that we're going to have -- the american public won't get the porridge that is just right. i think the republicans spent way too much time emphasizing that the country is off on the wrong track and that the people believe that the american dream is dying or dead. that's a true statement. the democrats have to be careful not to swing the exact opposite way. everything is great. keep going. keep the status quo. the public is in the middle. they want to hear, yeah, it's a problem. understand our fears. underwhat's going on. but lead us to something much more hopeful and inspirational. >> getting the balance right, donna, is a challenge. >> it is. you can say there's a lot of pain in america. but also have solutions. talk about how to make america, stronger, safer, without what i call persecuting hillary clinton. last week, we heard the republicans persecute her.
they didn't prosecute a case. they persecuted her. it was personal. it was mean-spirited. and you know what? there came a point where it was just, every -- it was the only thing that united the republican party. they've done that for 7 1/2 years. >> besides being mad at ted cruz. >> oh, well. don't throw it my way. but, i think this week, hillary clinton has a great opportunity to show the american people that she understands their pain and she has -- she has a way to solve it. i think she can do that. >> keith, did she make the right first step with the pick of tim kaine? as we talked about with robby mook. there have been a lot of progressives, not necessarily you, who thought he wasn't the best choice. >> tim kaine started his career fighting for fair housing. he has a strong progressive record. look, there's some things that, uh, people had difference of opinion on. some of the things he said about trade. he now is squarely against the transpacific partnership.
has made that position very clear. so i'm satisfied. >> this movement to nominate someone else is not going anywhere. >> i don't see it. no. i don't see it. >> george, there are no minority reports. on the challenging superdelegate. we have a commission. look, we have reached comprom e compromise. we, on the platform process, today, the credential committee will meet. we are coming together. i want to say one thing. i want to correct myself. i don't like to throw people under the bus. i know members of the dnc staff. many of the individuals involved. they're good people. they were not always biased. they have worked to make this a good convention. >> oy want to pause just on the two vp picks. i actually thought that the tim kaine pick was a good pick. you could see in hillary clinton's attitude on that stage, that she was -- you saw her at peace, full of joy. >> lightened her up a little bit. >> it looked great. the interesting thing to me about these two picks that were done. both mike pence and tim kaine
were picked by two people with rather large egos. they picked people that are viewed as humble servant leaders. these are men of deep faith. but from opposite sides. one, a social justice catholic. the other, evangelical fundamentalist. >> he started out adds a catholic. >> sometimes he describes himself as an evangelical christian. they're deep on faith. i think it's a great conversation in america. so much of the faith conversation has been co-opted on one side. now you have someone with faith in the grays and the black and whites. somebody in saying the kingdom of god is here and now. somebody that views faith as in the kingdom of god is in the future, over there. i think that is a great conversation. >> congressman, mike pence was really well received. he got overshadowed by the cruz fight. >> he did a little bit. i think mike is very reassuring to a lot of traditional republicans. we know him on the hill. he's well respected on both sides of the aisle.
because, as matthew said, the kind of person that he is. the same thing is true on tim kaine. i worked with him on gabriela mitchell research bill for kids with cancer. the use of military force. i think they'll both add a lot of debate. getting back to another point, if we're worried about the dnc being hacked with servers, what are the odds the russians hack something sitting in somebody's closet in their own home? i think this will be a difficult question going forward for democrats to deal with. >> it's been a difficult question for hillary clinton so tar. looking ahead this week to the lineup, going forward, matthew dowd. you heard both campaigns talk about their electoral map. do you understand when paul manafort talks about expanding. is battleground to a lot of these traditional democratic states. is it possible for them to scramble a coalition and play in places that republicans haven't played for the last 25 years? >> i think it's possible to scramble the strategy.
they're in la-la land if they think they're going to carry connecticut. a lot of those other states. this will be fought, fundamentally, unfortunately, over about eight or nine states. it will be the same eight or nine states we fought this over in 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000. that's unfortunate. 90% of america is left out of the conversation. people in california, new york, texas. in the course of this. this map won't be fundamentally scrambled. what's going to be scrambled is a bit of the demographics. that will be slightly scrambled. >> a lot of young supporters. i spoke to a lot this week. they're just not inspired by secretary clinton. >> but they are inspired by $15, a union. they're inspired by pension reform. they're inspired by real financial reform and breaking up the big banks. they are inspired by the agenda. the most progressive agenda that the democratic party has ever seen.
and i'm telling you, the young people, when they think about the fact that we're going to do something about college debt, they're excited about that. i think they're excited about the right things, the issues. that's what we should always be fired up about. that's where we're going to -- you talk about the map. there's also state maps and bernie sanders and hillary clinton are united talking about downballot races and making sure we take state legislatures back. they're going to be excited about that. so i tell you, there's going to be -- minnesota, my state. the republicans hold the house. we're very, very focused on taking it back in the state of minnesota. that's a story all over the country. i think there's plenty for people to be excited about. >> i think it's hard downballot for either candidate, quite frankly, both of them have negative ratings, to have any kind of coat tails. this is a unique contest between these two. we feel good about our odds in the house and reasonably good they can hang on to the senate. >> you used to run the
congressional campaign committee for the republicans. >> good years and bad. >> so what do you say to your candidates this year who are not big fans of donald trump? what is the best way for them to handle this? >> to be honest with your electorate. you're running to represent 700,000 people. they're iss-- their issues. their interests are where you should be focused. you're running to fight for your electorate. i don't have a problem with a candidate deciding to run with or apart from the top of the ticket. that's pretty usual in politics on both sides. not a lot of democrats in the south that honestly would normally run with a george mcgovern. >> i think it's a very difficult year, i think probably the first in our lifetimes, to try to predict what will happen downballot. we're in a totally disrupted state in both political parties. the dominant third party, gary johnson, or others, could pick up a lot of votes in the course of all this. >> they're kind of holding steady, though, below 10%. >> i think what is about to
happen in the aftermath of this convention, i don't expect this to be the most positive campaign run on either side of the aisle. i think what you're going to see is you're going to see two major party candidates disliked and tis trusted by the population. and they're totally confused about what they're supposed to do down the ballot. >> that has to be the last word today. thank you all very much. coming up, our exclusive with the secret service director.
security so tight across cleveland all last week, it did appear to pay off. no major disturbances. a surprisingly calm few days. not by accident. months of planning by the best security teams and the police in the business. led by joseph clancy, the chief of the secret service. abc's senior justice correspondent pierre thomas went behind the scenes with joseph clancy for this exclusive look at what it takes to keep the country safe. >> reporter: it was the climactic moment the secret service had been anticipating for months. the republican nominee nearing the hall. about to accept his party's nomination. >> thanks for all you're doing for us. >> reporter: we caught up with the secret service director just before donald trump was set to arrive. >> to continue to go back over your plan and never think you have the plan perfectly in place.
>> reporter: pressure still intense for the 28-year veteran. you still get butterflies? >> i absolutely do. absolutely feel the anxiety. kenny, you walk around the post. no issues with credentials. i know we had some during the weeks. >> reporter: the last critical moments, the director is mindful of recent outbursts of violence. internationally and here at home. it's been an incredible news cycle. you have had the horror of dallas. then you had the tragedy in nice. >> certainly a reminder that we always have to be ready for any scenario. we should have a plan already in place for whatever we may be confronted with. >> reporter: security has been unprecedented for the conventions in cleveland and philadelphia. thousands of police and federal agents, including tactical teams. cops on bikes. aerial support. barriers and fences to restrict access. so far, so good. protests in cleveland were not marked by violence. but with the conventions back to
back, no break in between, no one's celebrating yet. not until philadelphia is over. >> these are two very different venues. the landscapes are much different. a lot of the personnel in cleveland are being used in philadelphia. >> reporter: long hours for the troops. >> are you rolling on to flad flad with us? >> i'm going to philly. and then on tomartha's vineyard the next day. >> reporter: that's not a vacation. that agent will be at his post. the president will be there. agents swarm out of the vehicles to protect the man of the hour. the opening act of the general election almost over. when is the moment that you'll breathe easier in cleveland? >> it usually takes about 24 hours after an event. >> reporter: you gotta sleep on it? >> you gotta sleep on it for a few hours. >> reporter: only a few. >> either side right there. >> reporter: the democratic convention starts in less than 24 hours. >> pierre joins us.
we heard joe clancy talk about how these are two very different venues. how do the security situations differ? >> reporter: the potential size of the protests. philadelphia has issued permits that allows thousands to protest. bigger than anything we saw in cleveland. the potential for mischief is much greater. because of the pope visiting philadelphia last fall, they say they're ready for anything.
that is all for us today. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. our entire team is going to be here all week long. for the convention. "gma," "world news," and "nightline." plus our primetime specials every night at 10:00 eastern for the big speakers. and live-streaming all day long of all the convention highlights on abcnews.com. see you tomorrow on "gma."
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