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cas msa cialis you started this camnith next to zero name recogtion. you have 12 of 18 democtic governors sportinyou. he h zero.whatpened? what happened? what gone wrong? save me the we always knew this was going ba closra swer. >> tnk it'ally good r the debatehat we're having that there is much interest i fe on myide d i knowo es senat sande on his. weave big oice to ma. it'sxciting. i had a great couple oevents yesterday. i'm pursuing the opporty to reh evngle voter in iowa we'll see at hpe. i feel good about where we a. ously, we'll obviously,e' fd oua week from tomorrow.
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and enthsm is pelenk's time that wken the establhm ta owatreet, te bigmoy interests. and that's why i believe we're doing as well as we >> wel you havbeen cal for politirevoluti and there ha bee thveeen some criqu er it, t tu're rt onarrow iere u ca for revoti. taisatonof the more respect thinkers the cil rits movemthesdays ote in the "the atlaic" why ar't youor ratio for having to -- becf avy r african-ericwhen you're calling for enomic sticon smany oevel why you sp short tha issue? >> well, for the se reason that barack ama has, t se reas i believe that hillary clinton has. that is that it's absotely wrong d unacceable that we haveo much povern this couny and it is even worse in the african-american commuty.
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theepublican race that's become to resble the end of a quentin tarantino movie, think eservoir dog where erybody winds up shooting everybody else. jeb bu spent millions attacking marco rio. rubio has blastedhris chstie with super pac adds. christie has question rubio's work ethic saying "dude, show up to work." dona trump ridicud b for ing low energy. bush calledrump ajerk. den thenon-aggressionct tween trump and ted cruz crashed with e attackg the other. in t, here's e latest trump ad going after cruz on immigratio >> sounde you te the bill to pass? of course i wanted the bill to pass. wht -- amendmt to pass. what my amendment did-- >>
you said the bill. >> -- is take cizensh off the table but it doesn'tmean -- it doesn't mean i supported the other aspectof thbill. >> and her's a cruz aditting trump on greed. >> i think imminent domain is wonderful.
trump colluded wi aantic city insiders to bulldoze the home of an elderly widow. trump won't change the system, he's wh's wng with it. >> joining me the pho rig now is donald trump. mr. trump, welcome back to"meet the press." >> good morning, and i have to tell you, his ad is wrong because i never knocked down that use. i wanted to gehe house to build aajor building that uld have employed tremendous numbers of people but when the woman didn't want sell ultimately said forget about it. so hsot me bulldozing down a house, i never bulldod it down. it's f advertising. >> allight, i thihe accation was th's wh you wante to do - >> no, the accusation was wanted to and d do it. you know, you didn't have eminen domain, u would
haven't highways, the keystone pipeline because they neeit if it's going to be built. you wouldn'tave roads, schls, hosls, men, i don't love imminentomain bu you need i o you don'tave a country. >> this race between you and ted cruz hent wants to make i about who's ral conservative.
wh it comes to you a conservatism. i wa to get you to react to it. here he is. >> perhaps one of the reasons tt the wasngto estabment rushing so qukly bind donald trumps tonal has been aacti upte hea the clinton foundation. he's ly supported hillary cntonas a political candidate he supported chuck schumer, he pported andrew cuomo, he suorted anuel ed rahemanuel so they know hewillcut a deal. >> know you'vembraced e idea ofcuttin adeal but some conservatives ar u're not a conseative, that 60 yers you weren't a onservative, you've on been one the last e or nine. >> most cservatives love me or i wouldn't be having the poll numbers -- fox just came out, their numbers are through roof i wld haven't the poll numbers i have that. i am a conservati but i get along with peopl ted cannot get along with people t all.
a nasty guy, nobody like him. one republican senator. he works with them eryday not onepublican setor endoed tedcruz. hen you thnk of it, at's mpossible to lieve. not on. >>'mcurious. youe be thent cruz the ast ten ds on thisissue. for six months you talked abt how muchou liked ted cruz. >> he was very nice to me and i kept sayg when is it going to happen, ted? i was waiting because i want to counterpunch. i d't want to behe first one. and duringth debate which erne said won he got nas andstarted hitting me and i hit him back. anything i said was okay to him. anying i said and he was really -- look i had people that have been terric on the stand. i like the candidates on a during that period of time i id come on, ted, when is it going to ppen? inderstand ted, ted is asty ho no vewell-liked person
y wouldn'vote forim if he's the nominee. ishat true? >>kedabout the fact th i'm n sure that can vot for becau as you knw,e h a major issue. in fact, illinois is lkingt itseriously. i don't kno if he's gng to be oka to r in illinois i e state of illinois. was born in canada, he wa born oncanadian soil, he as a citizen of canada -- >> ca you sign a pledge >> uck, chuck -- >> can you sign a pledgehat u will support the republican nominee? >> that was rlating to canada. the estionas that and reti to canada. the qtion ishether or not he can run i tell you something, from the stanoint ofoters in iowa a new hashire and allthese places that have to vote, how can you vote for a candida -- ow can you do en you don't even kow if tt candidate is able to n. laurence tribe from hvard said it's totally setted law. number of t constittional lawyers ve ce out recently over th lastew days a said he's notallowed to run, he was
so there's a real question an i said he should get aclarory judg. he has t domething becse w c you ha a campaign when it's very psible you not allowed to run l me ask you about "nation revi," i've seen yr tweets, i knowow you feel about the magazine andow yo feelbout this issue. te get you toespond to one quot fromrick erickson. he writesthis ike the angel heaven whoeice for every new believer, we shld rejoice for nald tru'sonversion to conservatismbut we should not put aew conservive in charge conservatism o t country. what do you tl conservatives that will make them believe you n't leave the ideology if it's conveni or unpopular. >> well, that'snot an insulting quote. it really is. i was goin to hitim had. it wasn't an iul ote. thenational revw" is a
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release theireturns before the first ctest. just soou know, every nonee, mr. trump, has released teir tax returns goingack to 1980, but clinn, by the way, hillary clinton, we have every tax return that her nme has been on since 1977 in the publ domain. will you reease any of your tax returns for t public to scrutinized but? >> we, we're working o that w. haerig return and i have everything al approved and very beautiful and we're working that over the next period o tie, chuck. absolutely. >> wat's the period tim before the voting begins? i n't ow, this is not like a normal tax return, this is a big tax return and i wi say th and i'mvery proud to say it, i thinkheountry is run horrib, i ha what they do thour meynd unlike everybo else, t and pay as little tax as possie because i hae whathey doith my tax money. i hate the way they sen our money, theay they give it to iraq,heay ty give it to ir, the way th give it to -- everything. thy give it to everybo. >> you are goingo release it?
i he theay theyive itaway to everyby but us. we have to rebuild our country. >> butou willrelease it? >> and i say it and reporter said "that's the mostrefreshing answer i' ev hed on xes." becau everyone tries bld it up, mttromney, he bui it up, tri to build how much he pays. it esn't work that wa at the approprie time you' be sasfied. >> finally i have to ask you abo bloomberg. what do you makeof the ia that if you're the nomine if sanders ishe nominee, tt would inspire mr. bomberg to gothi part >> michael habeen a friend of minever thees. i donnow ife're fends anyore. i woulde to hav him run. i would love at competion. i do very we against it. i would looee michael bloomberg ru >> all right, you embrace it mr. trump, ill lee it there. stay safe on the trail,ee y nexteek iniowa. >>hank youery uch.
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sh over to support dond trump. >> his new line of attack is that i'vebe establishmnt. give me a brak. [ laughr ] because bob dole is arrif guy and said tru will do better than cruzwhi i -- believe heme, i will doetter tn cruz >> if, as avoter, you tnk what we need is more republicans in wasngton tout aeal with harry re and nancy pelosi and uck scher, i guess dd trumis your guy. >> gsike ted cruz will never make a deal because he's a trident guy. "no, you cannot have that." >>s ourpoll numbers have surged, as donald'sumbers keep dropping, he's gting more and more ttled. >> he's a very yrident person, nobody likes him. >> david brooks bfore "national review"ame out, you cam out earlier inhe week beggis by clay all of the -- the governing wing of the republican party u call this'm to revolt againstth. >> this is going go on f a
ant them both to los t that' going to hpen. i'm theas pern in ama. his is no rumpruz. s is ing goon for months aonths andmonths. f you have attacking b and ating a -- >> who's >> it'melling you, it will be rubio. rightowu have the conflict philosophical conservative wing, which is t "national review" crowd, and thewing, which is tal radio nd trump. it' ting toee how thatea down. ht now trump has the vanta inhat becau the conservative movent ises than it as 10 years ago. the fiancial cris s h people hard andheyant govement th si of t libera guys ng as it's not filledth lralaluesut trumin thehort rm. not panic. the ll be mhs of this.wait forrubio. >> if you are part of the epublican establisment,ou shonot gothrough this scnario that you just taed aboutchuck, this triple nk shot.what yowant i my opinion
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deja vu all over again. her only benit is bernie sanders does not equal barack obama in that bernisanders at least doesn't have suprt in the blackommity awhere near barack obama. so she yenefitom tht. her perspecte. she is a acaidate is still the same, that's the proble >> the primary calendar is her friendhere. ere's a lot o states with lar african-american voting blocks. >> s continues to invoke health care because she cotinu toug prident obam and his olicies. itight not be as effecti in a place like io and new hair matrs in a pl likeouth carolina. he's very focused on building up a fire ball that t south and in those upertuesdaytates in ce she does lose in iowa. >> it feels likehe's setting up mar meage. go to your int, the feral message idealm and she doesnveit. >> i thinhe same is on the eplican side wel et mor agmatic, both race will be ng, some big terst ow up somewhere,
but right now lacking the joy >> i just -- i mean this with trump and hillary, this idea that you can simply lose to a socialist 74-year-old who ne thought had any cnce of being anhere close to her. the ideahat you can se iowa a loewampire and peoe are go on theirer way. dav may be right, that it's an extended race wi twists and turhat sheventually wins. hat's the onlyass th she wins a rac -- >> you know the last pull to pull thatoff? heir last ne was clinn. i'm just saying. bill clinton has familrity. >> much lower expectaio, though, chuck. he had his own bernie sanders jrybrown. stay. >> syed in forever. >> and his own billionaie. ros pro. >> sond round of the come back kid new hashire. >> but, chuck, you're a hilary clinton supporter, they've been yi this om the beginning, this ishe toughest pt fo her, campaiing, the gting out there and selling her message. >> onnectivity.
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