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ponder and more than a few of us to dread what the next step might be, as we'll be hearing from susan spencer. >> after more than a year of working from home, is america really ready to return to the office? >> there is this kind of law of physics that says, you know, a person at home tends to stay at home. it is hard to put on pants for work, what can i tell you? >> reporter: so you're fully understandable of the half of america that says they're perfectly happy to continue working at home? >> yeah, i get it. >> reporter: back to your cubicle, maybe not to fast, ahead on "sunday morning." >> pauley: a funny thing happened when billy crystal met tiffany haddish. they hit it off, and now they're starring in a new movie that is hitting theaters this coming week. tracy smith has a preview. >> i'm so flattered that somebody your age would be a fan of my work.
>> i don't know who the hell you are. >> reporter: in their new movie, billy crystal and tiffany haddish are a more a platonic harry met sally. >> i didn't want this to happen. >> it didn't happen. >> i love you, billy. i consider you my uncle. >> so as your uncle, can i borrow some money? >> yes. >> reporter: when billy met tiffany, later on "sunday morning." >> pauley: the words "cancel culture" are fighting words in these bitterly partisan times. this morning our ted koppel weighs in on the controversy. >> the two stupidest words put together, cancel culture. >> reporter: is all of this talk of cancel culture culture making you cringe. >> they want to cancel dr. seusd mrs. potato head, and pepe le pew. >> they want you to re-evaluate the entire
american history based on 2021 values, and, hell, yes, that's controversial. >> reporter: no, it is not going away. >> go woke, go broke. >> reporter: coming up on sunday. >> pauley: with faith salie, we remember the launch 50 years ago of national public radio. david pogue admirers the work of sculptor sarah sze, and luke spencer takes us to the concert by "the flaming lips." along with nancy giles who finds herself in conversation with a tech savvy canine for this sunday morning, the 2nd of may, 2021. and we'll be right back. ♪
>> pauley: getting america back to work, after covid, it's very much a work in progress. and what happens next could hit millions of workers where they live. susan spencer weighs the competing demands of home and office. ♪ >> reporter: as a marketing manager for ford motor company, jovina young has her own take on zooming for work. you're a real car person? >> yeah.
>> reporter: but when the pandemic hit, working from home meant really shifting gears. >> i had a five-year-old who was in kindergarten, and a one-year-old, and my husband is a nurse. so often he is gone at the hospital while i'm home alone with the children. >> reporter: oh, and by the way, you're also trying to work full-time. >> there is such a lot of pressure on us at that time. >> reporter: after a few months, though, that pressure seemed to lift. >> i found a rhythm at home that i really, really enjoy. i have found that i do prefer working at home. what do you have today for school? do you know? >> no. >> reporter: gone or the harried mornings and the once expected rituals of makeup, hair, and work clothes. >> 8:30 we have morning meeting. it is yoga pants, a t-shirt, and a hoodie. >> reporter: one thing you gained, i gather, is you don't have to commute. >> i love not having to
commute, and i hate to say that because i work for an automotive company. >> reporter: conveniences like that may help explain why 60% of working americans say idealed ideally they want to wok from home or remotely at least part of the time. once the cat is out of the bag, and people discover they can work at home and do the laundry over lunch breaks, it will be very hard for companies to say, no, you have to be here at 9:00, period. do you think this is the wave the future? >> i think we're evolving in setting new boundaries of what the nature of work is. >> reporter: kiersten robinson is the chief manager and chief people officer is her actual title. >> the chief people officer is responsible for all of the people in an organization. >> reporter: many of them are in for a ra radical
change this fall when ford goes to a hybrid model for 30,000 workers. managers will have input, but none of those employees will work 9 to 5 at the office every day unless they feel like it. are you leaving it to the employees to decide what the ratio is between working at home and working in the office? >> yeah. we've surveyed them, and the number of days they anticipate in the office will vary depending on the nature of the project or the work they're doing. >> reporter: what do you see your schedule, say, in a year? >> i'll be working from home probably, like, 70% of the time. >> reporter: this may seem a frivolous question, but you're working with tens of thousands of people who basically have been in their pajamas for over a year, do you expect there will be any changes in what people would wear
to work? >> i don't know if i'll see pajamas, but i expect a much more relaxed dress code, absolutely. >> reporter: no matter what we where, says arthur brooks, we need to go back. >> it is pretty amazing how much more productive you are when you're meeting somebody. when you're meeting someone on zoom, 95% chance they're not paying attention to you. they're playing solitaire. >> reporter: and don't underestimate the benefit of human contact. >> your work capacity goes up 60%, 70%. there is no traffic, loneliness is bad, but commuting is worse. >> reporter: how do you greet somebody when you return to work? >> we will find that out.
there are some basics that we know: wear pants, for example. [laughter] >> that's a good one. i can probably live without shaking hands, but i can't live without direct eye contact. >> reporter: we're all feeling a little rusty, a little wobbly as we enter whatever this new normal will be. so it is not just me? >> no, no, no. >> reporter: in fact, a good number of us, says psychologist ellen hendriksen, are anxious and dread going back to the office. >> social anxiety is driven by avoidance, and we have all been avoiding our normal social lives. >> reporter: you could argue that given what was at stake, what is at stake still, being social anxious is the normal response, right? >> absolutely. the 1% of people who just cannot identify with social anxiety at all are actually psychopaths. [laughter] >> reporter: so the best
way to have come through the pandemic would have been as a psychopath? >> as a psychopath. >> reporter: oh, great. so if you ruled the world, you would have everybody be back at work monday morning? >> i can't imagine anybody who wants a harvard professor to rule the world. that is just so far away from my conception of reality. >> reporter: you may have a point there. harvard or not, everyone we spoke with seems to agree that work never will look the same again. >> i think a hybrid model, with the flexibility of working from home, saving people that commute while retaining that ability to interact face to face, and just to have that community, is going to be reel important. >> it wouldn't surprise me if we started experimenting with a norm in companies with work from home fridays, for example, or work from home wednesdays, or thursdays and fridays, or something
along that line. we'll adapt to a new model that was more independent than it was in the past. >> reporter: for jovina young, that's the road to take. you're not going to be putting on that uniform and makeup and getting in the car for that commute anymore you absolutely have to? >> yeah. yeah. if i'm able to be as productive and work from home, i'm going to do it. and then at the times i need to be there and i want to connect with others, we'll go, yeah.h. nexixium 24hr ststops acid beforere it startsts for all-daday, alall-night prprotection.. can n you imaginine 24 hours withthout heartbtburn? charmin ultra soft has so much cushiony softness, it's hard for your family to remember they can use less. sweet pillows of softness! this is soft! holy charmin! oh! excuse me! roll it back, everybody! sorry!
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billion laguardia guards won't be finished into 2025, but there is this spectacular sculptor. >> how frach v fragile is it, actually? >> it's not fragile at all. >> reporter: artist sarah sze is a professor of visual arts the columbia, and a mother of two, and the sculpture is called "shorter than the day." as you look inside, you see 1500 photos of the new york sky, arranged from dawn to midday to dusk. >> you're watching the time of the sun going across the sky as we move. >> reporter: oh, yeah. >> so you're facing a day. a terminal is this incredible place where you're having a shift in time, whether you're
arriving or leaving, in this very complex way. i wanted the piece to be about a modeling of time. >> reporter: like most of her work, this one is indicately composed of hundreds of interconnected pieces. >> to me, it is a 20 years exploration of this idea of how parts come together to make a whole, and where the boundaries are there. what gets included, what doesn't? where is the frame. >> reporter: she was born in boston in 1969, and almost immediately began making art. >> i was making art all of the time when i was a little girl, napkins, walls, anything, trash -- anything into sculptures all of the time. the house was filled with models and drawings. we didn't own art, but we went to museums. and for me, a museum was like going to a complete haven. >> reporter: she match jord in architect and painting at yale, and got
her master's degree and then she took off. she has exhibitions in the venice bieniale, the wit ne bienial, and the new york museum of modern art. but her first love is art in public places, especially new york. >> i did a piece for the '96 subway station, and there is something that there makes you think, that stops you for just a second that you move around or through or under. >> reporter: in 2012, you would have seen this sculpture when taking a walk along manhattan's highline. and starting next month, her latest piece "fallen sky ier," will take up permanent residence in hudson valley. when you're asked to create a public piece of art, are there different restrictions in terms of likeability and accessibility? >> i don't need people to
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public radio first took to the airwaves. now known simply as n.p.r., it is still thriving and striving, as one of its founding mothers tells faith salie. >> countries around the world are able to -- >> reporter: that's the sound of n.p.r. the sound of n.p.r. means many different things to its 60 million weekly followers. >> we heard from a few black americans about their reaction to this week's verdict in the chauvin trial and what they think it means. >> reporter: indepth news coverage -- >> this is all things considered. >> this is weekend edition from n.p.r. news. ♪ love me ♪ >> reporter: music's biggest stars come to n.p.r.'s headquarters in washington, d.c. to play for staff members and millions of fans at tiny desk concerts. and there is even a weekly quiz show.
wait, wait, don't tell me. >> first, let's hear from faith salie. >> reporter: you may recognize some of the panelists. i've been "wait, wait" for a dozen years. [laughter] >> reporter: it all began 50 years ago. ♪ >> reporter: what was it like to be at n.p.r. in 1971? >> oh, gosh, it was all raw and new and so exciting. we had no resources. we had no idea what we were doing. and we went on the air (laughing). >> reporter: susan stamberg was there on day one, hired as a tape editor. >> around our daily terror, we really did realize that we were inventing something that had not existed. >> the look of an artist -- >> reporter: very soon, she became the co host of "all things considered," and the first woman in the country to anchor a
nightly news program. >> with the colors she mixed, applying them with joy and concentration. >> to me, she was the voice of n.p.r. >> reporter: as its first director of programming, bill siemering, had a very specific vision for the sound of n.p.r.'s shows. >> this made people uneasy. >> reporter: why? >> we had a network, so they were expecting it to sound like cbs, and it didn't. >> reporter: siemering, who would go to win a grant, wrote n.p.r.'s original mission statement. how did you conceive of n.p.r. being different from commercial radio? >> because it is not about ratings; it is purpose-driven. and so i wrote, it doesn't regard its audience as a market, but as curious, complex individuals, who are looking for some understanding, meaning, and joy in the human
experience. it is all about connecting. >> reporter: siemering wanted people on the air to talk, to sound natural and not announcing. >> bill said, be yourself. and that meant the world to me. >> reporter: stamberg's commanding voice paved the way for n.p.r.'s next 50 years. many credit much of its early success to the leadership of susan stamberg, along with groundbreaking corresponds linda wertheimer -- >> you want me to read? >> reporter: -- covering politics and congress. legal affairs correspond nina totenberg. >> when the lively hour of argument was over, all of the justices, accept clarence thomas, had asked many questions. >> reporter: and the late congressional correspondent cokie roberts. one lesson of the founding
mothers was to be generous with your skills. >> coming up, we'll talk to the third generation -- >> reporter: says "all things considered" co-host audie cornish. >> cokie roberts called me and said, hey, kid, what's going on? how are you doing in congress? susan would listen to my work and give me notes, and i appreciated that. >> reporter: generosity is a word often heard around n.p.r., and it is about those pledge drives. >> we can't do it without your help. >> reporter: most of n.p.r.'s funding comes from corporate sponsors and from independent public radio stations around the country that buy its programming. >> so please give what you can. >> it's not a profit-driven enterprise. it is there for the greater good. and it counts on people to, like, open up their hearts and open up their pocketbooks to help pay for it. >> it will come up full here. >> reporter: margaret low began at n.p.r. in
1982, and today is c.e.o. of wbur, boston's n.p.r. news station. >> we got letters this year from people who said, i'm not working right now, but here is $25. it's the most i could give, but you mean the world to me. >> in 2013, you became n.p.r.'s first full-time tv critic. >> they hired a black male to do it. i think that says something. >> reporter: but eric deggans says there are things n.p.r. could do better, such as hire an even more diverse staff and have more inclusive programming. do you think a lot of black americans listen to n.p.r.? >> no, no, they don't. i think black folks have a highly developed sense of when our culture is included in programming. n.p.r. is not that. >> reporter: the radio audience is 81% white, but deggans says especially
through podcasting, n.p.r. is reaching new and younger listeners. >> we're trying to catch up, you know? and we're still not where we need to be. >> i didn't know anybody who listens to n.p.r. i had literally never heard of it. >> reporter: and now ira glass is one of n.p.r.'s most famous graduals. between 1978 and 1985, he did about every job there. and he says n.p.r. could be more open to innovative ideas on the radio. >> there was a lot of people experimenting with how do we use this media in this way it has never been used. and it very much felt like an experiment. >> reporter: his experiment, "this american life," debuted in 1995,and last year became the very first radio program to win a pulitzer prize. >> to be clear, they're trying to follow the rules and enter the united states through a border station and formally apply for an asylum. >> reporter: it is not
an n.p.r. show? >> that's correct. >> reporter: why not? >> i wanted n.p.r. to distribute it, but they didn't want to distribute it. the people in charge of making those decisions, they just didn't get the show. they didn't like the show. they didn't understand it. >> reporter: obviously, "glass" did very well, and so does n.p.r. but in a world of so many choices, susan stamberg says what her network provides is more necessary than ever. what do you think it will take for n.p.r. to have another 50 years? >> i don't know what the future of radio programs, per se, will be. it may not be that long, but people will always listen and want to hear stories told by human voices. >> pauley: by the way, the producer of this report, "sunday morning's" jay kernis, was, himself, a pioneering n.p.r.
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this much... [bark] >> reporter: ...dogs have plenty to say. whichbegs the question: what if dogs could talk? i mean with actual words. now we could have an answer. thanks to christina hunger and stella. >> thank you. >> reporter: what gave you the idea to teach your dog to talk? >> it was all my work as a speech therapist. >> reporter: hunger is a speech and language pathologist. >> i was working with kids every day to used communication devices to talk, and i was working with toddlers who were developing their language. >> reporter: these devices are called a.a.c., augmentative and alternative communications. by pressing buttons on a screen, people with speech disorders are able to
express themselves. >> i'll get to you. >> when i brought stella home, i just saw these insane similarities between what she was doing to communicate to us and what toddlers do right before they start using words. >> reporter: stella, now two years old, is a catahoula and australian cattle dog mix. >> in the first days i was with stella, she wo was a little puppy. pie started with outside, play, and water. about a month in, she started saying her first words, from there, we just kept adding vocabulary as we went. >> reporter: so stella's board grew; no treats needed. >> you want outside again? >> reporter: after all, this isn't a trick. stella speaks when she has something to say. how different is what
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♪ ♪ her name ♪ ♪ ♪ she's a black belt in karate ♪ >> reporter: over the course of almost 40 years, countless albums, and three grammys, "the flaming lips" have established themselves as one of music's most prolific and delightfully weird band. ♪ >> reporter: and if you thought a global pandemic might slow down their creative outlook, you haven't met wayne coyne. >> i think i'm descended from some indestructible viking guy, who if he wasn't digging his family out of the snow for fighting some battle, he probably was going to go crazy. >> reporter: coyne is the band's founder, lead singer, and apparently lead viking. >> i think i'm like that. if i'm not doing
something, i kind of go crazy. ♪ ♪ all we have is time ♪ >> reporter: so to keep from going crazy during a pandemic, and promote the band's new album "american head," wayne coyne came up with the space bubble concert, which we held in his home town of oklahoma city back in march. >> we think this is part of the future. >> reporter: here is how it worked: each group of up to three audience members were zipped into clear, vinyl bubbles, which were then inflated with leaf-blowers -- >> one, two... ♪ >> reporter: -- all so thee lucky few could see their favorite bands live and covid-safe. ♪ ♪ for the good of all mankind ♪ >> reporter: formed in
1983 in oklahoma city by coyne, his brother mark, and friends, early on the band prided itself on not being for everybody. >> we're doing our art, and, you know, if you're just a normal person on the street, you should hate us. if you like us too much, we must be doing something wrong. >> reporter: steven drozd, a multi-instrumental, who coyne calls the musical genius of the band, joined in 1991. >> when i joined, i joined as a drummer. and there is a joke that says, what was the last thing the drummer said before they kicked him out of the band? hey, guys, i have this song. >> reporter: in 1993, the band attracted the attention of warner brothers records. ♪ she'll make you breakfast ♪ >> reporter: and scored a surprise hit with the song "she don't use
jelly." ♪ she don't use cheese. she don't use jelly or any of these ♪ >> reporter: the sudden notnotnotoriety was a change. he was once robbed at gun point, which was terrifying and a life-changing event. >> after i didn't die, these petty insecurities that you have about doing art or music -- it's, like, that's not important, i alive, i can do whatever i want. >> reporter: coyne used his first money from the record dealers to buy a home in one of oklahoma city's poorest neighborhoods at the time. and three decades later, he is still there,
surrounded by peacocks, his art, and his wife, katy and his son bloom. >> i call him his energizer bunny because he goes to sleep with more energy and wakes up with even more energy. he's like, let's go it. he dreams up the shows, and drew will sketch them, and i didn't know he was really trying to make it happen. if he is trying to make something happen, he is going to make it happen. >> reporter: the idea of an entire audience safely sealed in bubbles came to coyne wasn't day while he was sitting in traffic. >> i'm driving in the car, and i think, oh, yeah, that would be the funny. so i do the quickest 20-second sketch. and then, you know, a half hour later, i'm, like, i got it. all right. >> reporter: coyne, himself, first rode a space bubble on top of the crowds at the coachella music festival back in 2004, but to seal the entire audience in bubbles, that was a complicated thing.
the logistics f this are crazy, right? >> it is worse than i even thought. >> reporter: coyne agonized over every detail, from the signs for audience members to hold up if they get too hot or have to use the bathroom to how to disinfect the bubbles after the show. >> i want you to know that we absolutely love you, and thank you for taking a chance and doing this bizarre thing. ♪ >> reporter: it's probably safe to say that "he flaming lips" might be the only band in the world who could have fgured out how to pull off a safe, in-person concert during a pandemic, a pandemic that has killed far too many americans. in fact, death and the heartbreaking beauty of being alive are common themes in the band's music. ♪ >> reporter: including,
inarguably, their biggest hit, "do you realize." ♪ do you realize that everyone you know some day will die ♪ >> reporter: according to wayne coyne, sometimes it is easier for him to sing about things than to talk about them. >> i had to tell my father, when he came back from his last seeing if his cancer was going to kill him or if it was going to be better, i was the one who had to tell him it wasn't going to get better. you wish you could do it in a song. you wish there was another way to say, i'm going to present this to you -- because it is impossible to say some things. ♪ you realize life goes fast, hard to make the good things last ♪ >> reporter: as the concert drew to a close and the audience swayed in their bubbles, it was clear "the flaming lips" that accomplished what they set out to do: to find the beauty in the
the 7pm news, weeknights on kpix 5. >> pauley: what's in a word? this morning's question for our steve hartman. >> all you want is a nice, peaceful breakfast. so you slice open an orange or grapefruit and get ready to attack it with a spoon, only to have it attack you back, right in the eye. the phenomenon is well-documented in pop culture. >> ouch! >> but did you know there is a word for what your crit trrus does to you.
>> it orbisculated. >> brother and sister john than and hillary say they picked up that word from their father. >> as a child, you learned words because your parents used them and then you start using them and you don't question, is it a real word. >> until you're thum bingbing through a dictionary and find between orb and orbit, and nothing. >> i said, dad, what's wrong with this dictionary. orbisculate isn't in it. well, maybe i might have made this word up. >> the kriegers laughed about it for years, laughed until they cried. last april, their dad, neil, died of covid. in the days after his passing, that orbisculate story was one of the few things that still brought a smile, which gave the kids an idea. >> it felt like a very
nice way to honor someone at a time when there is not a lot of positive things going on. >> they launched a campaign to get orbisculate into the dictionary by getting folks to use it. they came up with 78 goals, get it in a crossword puzzle, in a child's chalk drawing. check. in a petrie dish of bacteria, surprisingly, check. in the news story. >> check. >> someone even put it on a sign in a grocery store, warning: strong orbisculate. this woman wrote it into a song. ♪ that fruit orbisculated right into my eye ♪ >> jonathan and hillary are determined to see this through. >> that would be something
>> pauley: a funny thing happened to comedian billy crystal when he went into covid lockdown. well, two things. the first is a new household past time, and the second is a new film starring tiffany haddish. tracy smith tells us all about both. >> they'll cut the next one. >> they'll fix it in post. you know how that works. >> reporter: when we last met him in 2016, billy crystal took me to school at his home basketball hoop. last time we talked, you were 65 and you kicked my rear end in basketball. >> that's rightment and right. i'm still playing basketball. just one on me. i've been alone for this whole, terrible time, playing basketball alone. >> reporter: and while quarantining with janice,
his wife of 51 years, he found other passions, like ironing and a vacuum. >> thanks. >> reporter: this is a beauty. >> you've got to see this thing. is this what you looked at? >> >> reporter: yeah. this is it. >> this is the thing i'm more excited about than anything. i would like to thank the academy. >> reporter: what do you think this says that you're so excited about this? >> i think it is that i'm sad. this is really sad. are you doing anything right now? >> no. >> reporter: for the record, he has also been working on this. >> i'm a comedy writer. >> reporter: crystal co-wrote, directed and stars in "here today," about a legendary comedy writer who meets a young street singer played by tiffany haddish, who won lunch in a charity auction. >> how much? >> 22. >> 2200 dollars? that's fantastic. >> $22. >> reporter: the
onscreen chemistry is real. >> never lend your relatives money. you can kiss that 10 bucks good-bye. >> reporter: it has been that way off-screen since the moment in 2017 when billy met tiffany. >> i come in there, all me, and he is, like, hey and i'm, like, hey, and we clicked immediately. he is telling me about this story. trying to pitch it to me, and i'm, like, hey, hey, hey, you had me at hello. i'm doing this movie. we're doing it. it is in the can. we're at the oscars -- in my mind, we're at the oscars already. >> reporter: even before "here today," tiffany haddish was already a movie star. >> we're so lucky to have you. >> you're right. i'm very lucky, very, very lucky. >> reporter: and her star got even brighter when he hosted "saturday night live", the first black female comedy comedian to
do so. >> i grew up in foster care, and i wanted to say thank you to anyone who paid taxes in 1990 to 1999. >> reporter: the performance that night earned her a prime time emmy and made billy crystal st sit up intake notice. >> i saw tiffany on "saturday ninight live"e", and i saiid, that's herr. we gotot her thee sccript, w we met, andd here we are. >> reporteter: of course, billy crcrystal has s a few comedy gems of her own, from meg ryan's lunch partner, to the voice of one-eyed mike wazowski, but in the now movie, two of the funniest people on the plananet have t to deal with a completetely unfunny sin. >> w who are t theyey? >> t that't's my family.y. >> i if they're y you're familyly, why do y you havve
their r names written d down? >> repororter: crystal's chararacter, charlie bernznz, isis in the early stage of dementia, and she becomes his rockck as he world starts to slip away. >> charlie, you can't be alone anymore. >> i'm writing something, and i have to finish before my words run out. >> reporter: i know you joked, where did i put my car keys. but there are moments when i think, am i headed down that road, when i forget something. do you have those moments? >> oh, yeah. i think you reach a certain age and you look for any pebble in your show. and you go, what's that -- pass me the -- and then you go, is this it? hopefully not. it is a terrible thing that is affecting more and more people every day. >> reporter: in fact, dementia has touched both of their families, including tiffany's grandmother. >> sometimes she doesn't remember me. she's, like, get away from me. i don't know you.
and i'm, like, you don't got to know me for me to love you. it is hard. it is hard to see her slowly deteriorating. and over these years, it has been not easy. [cheering] >> reporter: and speaking of family, a few years back, haddish discovered that she had jewish roots on her father's side, so she decided to convert. and in 2019, she made it official with a little help from a friend. >> tiffany, you had a bat mitzvah? >> uh-huh. and i invited billy to come. and then i was, like, billy, would you be willing to do my aliyah? and he is, like, yes. >> to be asked to do one of the key blessings for her as she was about to read from the torah was really an honor, and the fact she asked me to do it really meant a great deal to me. >> to me, billy is, like,
the uncle i always wanted, the family member i needed to help me grow. i feel like i've grown so much because of him. >> i didn't want for this to happen. >> it didn't happen. you're little frail body won't be able to handle all of these groceries. >> reporter: "here today" will open this friday in theaters only, and for billy, that is essential. what is it like to sit in a theater and see your movie and hear and watch people reacting to it? >> that's is also great. i didn't take a shower after i saw "psycho" for nine, 10 months. i took baths standing up. and that's what you want in a movie. that's what i want for "here today," i want them to laugh and what can i do to help somebody if i'm ever in that situation. >> i do think one of the theemthemes of this movie is telling people how you feel about them while you still have the chance to
do it. >> definitely. >> reporter: so i would like to give you both that chance now. >> billy knows it, and i'll say it in front of the whole wide world: i love you, billy. i consider you my uncle, my family, my mentor, my everything. i love you to death. if i could have you around me all of the time, i would. >> well, thank you. and so as your uncle, um, could i borrow some money? >> yes. i know you're not going to pay me back, but that's okay. >> reporter: this is the first film billy crystal has directed in 20 years. >> i still don't why you play against me. >> it is good aerobics. >> reporter: although he has made some of the more memorable films of all time, he says it still feels like the first time. >> do you get some perverse pleasure? >> sometimes i feel like i'm just starting out because it is a whole new
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more black managers in baseball. >> i don't believe it is prejudices. >> reporter: two days later, he was fired. we might say he was canceled. >> cancel culture claiming a new victim. >> reporter: cancel culture, as it is called these days, is a social weapon that has served the outrage of both the left -- >> when you cross that kind of societal norm, you must be the consequences. >> reporter: -- and the right. >> don't support major league baseball who's players actually kneel for the national anthem. >> reporter: colin kaepernick took a knee during the national anthem to protest police violence against blacks. >> i'm going to continue to stand with the people that are being oppressed. >> believe in something, even if it means sacrificing everything. >> reporter: he never played professional football again. >> if you can't apologize and be forgiven, what are
the next steps? a public flogging? >> reporter: nowadays, the term "cancel culture" has become the swiss army knife of political warfare. >> the two stupidest words put together. >> cancel culture is real and growing. >> reporter: sean hannity offered a guide. >> they want to cancel dr. seusd mrs. potato head, pepe le pew -- >> reporter: they? the left, the squad, the woke crowd. >> liberals successfully perched almost all academics. >> reporter: like the members of the san francisco board of education who approved a plan to change the names of 44 schools linked to historical racism or oppression. among those schools, until public outrage caused the board to suspend its plan, was one named after
president lincoln. >> this is how trump gets re-elected, cancel dr. seuss, melt down mr. potato head's private parts. >> reporter: controversial, you bet. but listen to perry bacon, jr., a senior writer for the website 538. >> we're undergoing an incredibly important re-examination of who our heros are and should be. and i think that is not a fake issue at all. i can't think of anything more important. >> reporter: you realize, of course, that that leaves you wide open to the argument that we are applying 21st century values to 18th century people? >> i'm a black person in america. i'm pretty happy with some of the things lincoln did, so i'm not opposed to that. but i think, yes, we are seeing some of the most fundamental values our society questions: capitalism, is america an exceptional country? is america a model for other countries?
have we treated native americans and black people so egregiously bad we've never been a true democracy. so when you see schools in san francisco being renamed, i don't think this is minor. i think we're sort of really seeing, yes, yes, there are people on the left who absolutely want to re-evaluate the entire american history based on 2021 values, and, hell, yes, that's controversial. >> i would hope for as long as i live that racists think of me. >> i started making the videos because i wanted to teach people about rhetoric and propaganda while still be somewhat entertaining. >> reporter: he wields his social influence with pride. >> is that what you want, to become another reactionary youtuber. >> reporter: those who lose their jobs to the quick judgment of cancel culture see a national retribution campaign spinning out of control. >> everyone will be
canceled. unless you're on the full-on woke left, in which case you can say anything. >> if you organize your politics or ethics about how can we avoid war stories, you'll never do anything because there is no way to enact change without there being some horror stories. >> reporter: a new year's ago, it carried a different label. >> be sensitive or else. >> reporter: political correctness, and leon joined me on "nightline" to explain why so many teachers on campus were frightened by the phenomenon. >> they're scared because this is a populous intimidation, if it happens at all, where people simply don't want to risk being vilified or themselves are unwilling to have their own prejudices examined. it is ironic that all of
this call for diversity has created in the university a kind of silence about a real exchange of views. >> this is not a new problem. what is new is the medium. >> reporter: 30 years on, leon botstein remains president of bard college, and he recognizes the old symptoms. >> cancel culture is much more focused on punishment. social media is like an accelerant to an arson. everything moves rapidly and out of control. so the slightest spark creates an avalanche, if you will, of retribution. there is no room for error, and the response is not to start a conversation or a dialogue, but to shut the person out in some way. >> reporter: the may be true, says carlos maza, but social media simply levels the playing field for theo the outliers, like
himself. >> if i was in school, and had teachers calling kids fagots in classrooms, there was really nothing i could do. if teachers are a offending the gay kid in class, i'm okay with it. it is a power struggle. >> i have been canceled a million times. in the end, you go through that process. and if you have something worthwhile to say, people will find you and listen to you. >> reporter: columnist andrew sullivan reports recently experiencing just that when some of his colleagues at new york magazine declared themselves sufficiently uncomfortable with him, that he was, well, canceled. >> america has always had these spasms of bullying, of social intimidation, of trying to suppress, from salem to the blacklist, it goes way back, and this is
just another bout which i hope at some point will end. this country is an amazing experiment in openness and diversity, generating more mutual understanding. >> reporter: used to be -- >> no. it is more than it has ever been. you go anywhere else in the world and find a country as diverse and as tolerant as this one. you try. you think china doesn't have unbelievable levels, unspeakable racism and sexism in it. >> reporter: once at issue, and this is very much going to be a factor in our political process, is a changing power structure, reflecting a change in our national profile. >> the left is moving towards a deliberate reengineering of our society, along identi identity-based lines. you're not all white supremacists. these narratives that are being propelled that this society is basically not even advancing since slavery.
the idea there is no difference between men and women, that biological sex does not exist -- i mean this stuff is insane. >> reporter: for those who say, andrew, look, for all of the generations that we, women, we, friends, we, blacks, have been oppressed in this country, we finally have the wherewithal to -- >> to oppress others? >> >> reporter: we finally have the wherewithal to administer some leverage of our own. what is your answer? >> it is liberated by in verse racism and sexism -- i believe that is part of it. >> reporter: where does that go? >> i hope people understand you don't just make a right by just repeating the wrong. >> reporter: andrew, you have always been a voice in the wilderness, but i think yours is a
particularly lonely voice right now? >> i know. i'm aware of it. so what? to put it bluntly, why heterosexually men have a less control -- >> i'm willing to bet 80% of the men named karen voted for joe biden. >> reporter: ted cruz claims to have raised more than $125,000 in 24 hours signing and selling copies of "green eggs and ham," the dr. seuss classic, which incidentally has not been canceled, at $60 a crack. he says he is campaigning against the cancel culture mob. >> go woke, go broke. >> reporter: and there is a huge receptive audience out there. more than half the registered voters surveyed in a recent harvard-harris poll, 64% saw their freedom threatened by a growing cancel culture.
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captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: i'm john dickerson in washington. this week on "face the nation," we'll talk exclusively with two key players in the drama that is likely to impact every american. president biden is pitching the most ambitious and most expensive set of domestic reforms in decades. together his proposals total more than $6 trillion in new spending. do we need it all, and how are we going to pay for it? >> biden: it is real simple: it is about time the very wealthy and corporations start paying their fair share. >> dickerson: and ron klain joins us for a one-on-one. republicans are