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>> somebody unleashed the tigers and they're all in new hampshire! of thering you the lay land, four nights out from the first in the nation primary. tonight on "washington week." >> secretary clinton does establishment. i remember, i hope, ordinary americans. >> enough is enough. to say, sayomething it. >> sanders, clinton. fireworks! >> in my view, the business fraud.f wall street is >> i've heard sanders' comments. to wonder, caused me who is left in the progressive wing of the democratic party? side,the republican donald trump and ted cruz launched into hand-to-hand combat. >> by the way, this guy, ted cruz, ted cruz goes out. you talk about liars! >> i mean, we're liable to wake
up and donald, if he were have nukedwould denmark. >> as for the rest of the field, resurgent marco rubio, attempted to seize a post-iowa moment. >> we're going to unify this and we are going to unify the conservative movement! >> new hampshire voters, reset elections. that's what you all do. and you do it in an extraordinary fashion, pause you make us -- because you make us walk on the hot coals. >> the reset is well under way, finally get their chance to weigh in. covering the week, robert costa, national political reporter for the washington post. lisa lerer, national politics reporter for the associated press. doyle mcmanus, columnist for the angeles times. and reid wilson, chief political correspondent for morning consult. >> award-winning reporting and analysis, covering history as it happens.
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but we turn first to the democratic deal. clinton andlary bernie sanders on the stump today. >> i want the people here in state to know what i think you saw in the debate again last night. only one candidate who is prepared to do all aspects of one.ob on day >> sanders, however, at the debate last night argued that more to the choice than that. concede thatully secretary clinton, who was fourtary of state for years, has more experience. that is not arguable. but experience is not the only point. judgment is. >> it was a different kind of debate, with only two contenders stage. and days after a whisker-thin hillary, the gloves came out. what does it tell us about the threats and opportunities that the sandersand
folks are facing, reid? >> right now we're seeing a democratic party that is as divided and as evolving as the soublican party has been, explosively over the last couple of years. the reason is democratic sort ofn has been masked, i think, in recent years, is because they have one party inhead of the president obama. but now that he's a lame duck, we're seeing the fight over the progressism. bernie sanders is trying to cast himself as the only true progressive in the race. hillary is trying to cast pragmatic more of a progressive. a lot of this is a debate over whether or not president obama done enough for liberals. under the surface, there is a growing feeling among liberal groups especially that president obama hasn't done enough, a lot causes, whether it's partnership,fic immigration reform. >> and this fight is kind of a proxy for that argument that's the democratic
party. >> i think it would have been even more explosive if someone say, elizabeth warren got in the race. >> lisa lerer and doyle mcmanus in chilly manchester, new hampshire. but lisa, i want to ask you these democratic fireworks we saw last night at the debate. were they calculated, or were they really as off the cuff as they may have seemed to an innocent viewer? >> well, i think some of it calculated.s hillary clinton brought up senator sanders voting for a contributede said to the recession, the 2008 recession. clearly she came armed. but i think it did expose some that she faces, particularly she still doesn't on whyhave a good answer she did all those paid speeches, particularly the ones to wall banks. that's an area of weakness that the sanders campaign sees. me howalso striking to much this race has shifted.
clinton entered this race as the and away front-runner. now you have a debate where the vast majority of that debate was on senator sanders' turf. they were fighting about who tougher on wall street, who would tackle economic issues. much that'ss how resonating with the democratic base. >> i want to ask you a little about another perceived hillary perceived weakness for hillary clinton. this e-mail thing, she was very assertive in saying she was 100% certain this would not be a liability. more adamant tone than she's taken before. concern in a growing democratic circles that perhaps it could be an issue in a but becausetion, senator sanders has not made it a central part of his campaign, you don't see it animating the sanders' crowd in the same way it's animating republicans. >> you know, it's interesting, one of the things about
the sanders crowd, speaking of absolutes, we heard bernie sanders say last night wall fraud.itself is a he was not biting his tongue. he was not cutting curbs. about?s that >> that really is in a sense the the sandersssion of campaign. it's really two issues. one is the power of what he billionaire class. and then the other is to weigh -- the way that power is through campaign finance. so this was far and away, i debatethe most combative we've seen and sanders went straight after hillary clinton of raising money from wall street. ordefined a progressive -- he defined someone who is not a progressive in this case as $15ody who has taken million from wall street and has a super p.a.c. candidately only one in the history of the democratic party who has ever been in the super p.a.c., who raised that from wall street.
but that's sanders' point. i think it plays well because organic. he's not just going after hillary clinton because she's the opponent. he's going after her because she has raised money from the people he thinks are responsible for everything that's wrong in america. >> kind of going after the entire system. and she happens to be the representative of the system. of the interesting things right now is that sanders for now,be, at least outraising hillary clinton. is that also sending kind of a the backs of the clinton campaign? >> well, i think it certainly indicates that this is a race to go on for a long time and they're preparing for that. you see them already trying to spin what's likely to be a loss here in new hampshire into some kind of win by saying, well, if a couple points behind, rather than the 15 to 20 that some to have the polls we're doing great here. they're definitely looking out and building a longer-term strategy. she's going to be going to flint, michigan on sunday. with civil rights
leaders next monday. that's all designed to boost among minority voters, who play a bigger role in the contests that follow. you definitely see them, in both campaigns, looking at the long game. sanders is looking at some of western caucuses as places he could pick up delegates. good to see where bill clinton is. he was in south carolina this week. robert, let's talk about these two democrats, who, in a lot of agree oneally seem to so much. who are they trying to appeal to? slidingillary clinton references to women all the time and acknowledging that bernie sanders, as we saw in iowa, really have huge, strong appeal among young voters. >> senator sanders certainly has strong appeal among young voters older progressives. you see that kind of coalition everywhere he travels. that's especially strong here in new hampshire. his campaign expects to have a
victory here. they think it may be closer than the polls indicate at the moment. hillary clinton, gwen, she's going for a traditional constituencies, labor, women, middle of the road democrats. she's not trying to rewrite the party play back. as says she's a progressive much as anyone. but just not the same tone, the same approach, that sanders has he has his revolution air. forou guys have questions them? >> what are you seeing among independents? because independents are always card in new hampshire. they can choose to vote either thehe democrat race or republican race. >> right. that's a big factor here in new hampshire. a lot of times people think of independents as more moderate. here in new hampshire, that's a group that's breaking for sanders. that's part of what is fueling polls.d in the and certainly the clinton
campaign expects the here.ndents to go his way >> i see the same thing. >> what are you hearing? >> i wanted to say, real quickly, because senator sanders has such a lead in new hampshire, many independents tell me they may migrate to the republican race. a lot in the republican are making appeals to them. >> robert, i always think the interesting thing about the lead you want someone to lead you by 30 points, two weeks out in new hampshire, so that if you by 10, you can still be a comeback kid. but let's talk about that narrow a moment.a for robert, i know you spent a lot of time on the ground there. as surprising was to you as it was to everybody else that the fight in the end as on the democratic side, tight fight, rather than on the republican side. surprising, because you saw enthusiasm for senator sanders on the ground. saw secretary clinton had a ground operation that was impressive at every turn. hundreds of staffers and
volunteers working the state. what you saw in the college cities in iowa is something you're going to likely see in democratic contests on the horizon. ofs is a different kind thing for sanders. disappointed with some aspects presidency, looking for someone to reslief them from the -- revive them from the left just extend the obama legacy. >> what do you say about that, lisa? >> well, i mean, i think it was surprising, even to some clinton staffers. can tell you, the night before that caucus, many of them were lot of late at a bar, a reporters, which is not normally the behavior you're going to unless you're drowning in your sorrows. the internals that we were of that campaign, they thought she would have a four-point lead. that obviously wasn't the case. turnout was higher than they expected. he did really well, with young voters. mean, i think it certainly
scared some folks in the democratic party. she lost, i suspect there would have been a full-scale panic, given her standing in new hampshire. hearing all of a sudden about people like vice president joe biden again. that off but it definitely was a little too ofse for comfort for a lot democrats and even clinton allies. >> i'm assuming, lisa, that you were having sparkling water you were taking notes during this barroom discussion that night. but you don't have to say! >> always. always. >> let's turn to the republican side, because things kind of turned ugly on that side as well. gone are the days where nice, whichayed those days were, i think, a week ago. lot is atn that a stake. donald trump, who came in a weak second in iowa, remains way ahead in new hampshire. this week, he was mostly angry ofted cruz, who he accused dirty tricks. >> he insulted ben carson by carson.at he did to ben
that was a disgrace. and he insulted the people of iowa by doing a voter violation forum that nobody has even seen before, which was disgraceful. so, no, no. he's a man of insult. cruz shrugged., >> i wake up every day and laugh! at the latest thing donald has tweeted. because he's losing it. >> but in the midst of that fray, over candidates have begun see daylight. >> we've got big decisions to make on tuesday. big decisions, because this is not just about the future of our country, which is, long-term most important thing but this is also about the future of our party. >> so chris christie, like jeb bush, appears to be setting his sights on marco rubio. that?, why is >> well, i think in the coming there are two major events. primary day on tuesday, but this debate on saturday, the knives out for senator rubio.
you saw governor bush, governor forecasting their attacks on the campaign trail. there's a sense in the establishment wing of the republican party that rubio is ascending, he's ascending rapidly. going to be stopped, it's going to be in new hampshire. look for him to be attacked. this is also a big test for trump. new hampshire is fertile ground for him. appeal toong independents. pat buchanan won here years ago. can't win here, it's hard to see where he would win. addled was donald trump by this loss this week? >> well, donald trump's entire is based around winning and success. the aura of inevitable that has stay atopthink, his the republican polls took a big hit. he is no longer inevitable lost the very first time that voters got a chance to vote. in only did he lose, he came well below where most of his poll numbers showed him, polls him in the high
20's, low 30's in iowa. he came in with about 23% of the vote. that suggests that his support is either really soft or the people who say they're going to him, and by the way they're going to show up to vote time,e very first actually aren't. >> it's become cliché that his ground game was weak in iowa. not be so strong in new hampshire. he couldn't get in the state today because he actually was sleeping at home in new york and was snowed out. but is there a different formula new hampshiren than there could have been in iowa? >> oh, sure there is, those are two very different states. first, on the ground game, yeah, iowa, incaution point in donald trump even said i never knew what a ground game was before i came to iowa. wonder --kind of >> who has he opinion talking to. yes. forew hampshire is easier trump in two ways. number one, it's not a caucus state. so people can vote all day long, like they do in normal places. you don't need the intense level of commitment to go spend two at a caucus in the effect.
so your soft trump voters will get there.hances to but much more importantly, iowa the most evangelical and religiously conservative country, in athe republican contest, it's right up there. new hampshire is at the opposite end of the scale. and so ted cruz has a problem there. it's an opportunity for donald trump. >> lisa, let's talk about ted cruz, because he did win in iowa. he has decided to -- he has engaged in the sparring with trump this week. but does he have a ground game in new hampshire? know, he does. he has a pretty bigging data big data that's -- operation. his ground game was very strong in iowa. big questions the surrounding this new hampshire race is whether there are three two.f new hampshire or is there a separate trump lane? if he wins here, that may be the case. becomes trump, cruz and
whoever gets that establishment anyone elsee if comes close, there could be two people in the establishment lane coming out of here. here, i doesn't do well think we're down to an establish non-establish lane. that's what cruz is really start achieve. >> marco rubio finishes iowa into a victory practically. plan inhis new hampshire? does he have a way to kind of stroll through the middle while are fightingrs with each other? >> there's ample opportunity rubio.r senator i was with him during several campaign stops. his very disciplined in message. he's speaking about party unity, bringing the party together. casting himself as someone ready for a general election. he's sending a signal to the governors battle each other, christie, kasich and bush, he's the youthful face ready to battle secretary clinton.
cruz, this isn't a wait game. southooking more towards carolina, the deep south to come. >> robert, i think there's a sense that if there are in fact three tickets out of new hampshire, donald trump and ted cruz have already claimed two. there any way that jeb bush this race stay in without at least a third-place finish? you have bush's operation in south carolina. it's known as one of the best. i don't buy the theory, just based on my reporting, that oute are only three tickets of new hampshire. i think if governor kasich or bush has a better-than-expected new hampshire, they could go into south carolina and survive. there's a huge part of the party trump, doesn'tnt want cruz, so i think it's going to remain somewhat crowded for weeks to come. >> lisa, we heard john kasich's name mentioned. thissically has admitted week you go big or you go home. and he's been on the ground stillwhile everybody was in new hampshire.
i mean, in iowa. >> right. show him like doing reasonably competitively with roo. but he's going to have to get awfully close, i think, to rubio, or if he can beat him, or get awfully close, given how much he's invested here. same questionthe about chris christie. only three weeks ago, people were saying, well, christie is strong in new hampshire. you know, now he can't get his phone calls returned. he he keep in this race, if finishes back there with jeb bush? it'smean, look, i think the same kind of dynamic for him, for those governors, rubio guy to beat or to at least come near if they want to stay viable. >> robert? you were going to say? >> it's very unlikely to see a if he doesn'ttie surpass expectations in new hampshire. donors, talk to his privately they say this is it for him. he's already been burdened by bridge scandal in
new jersey. he soldiered on. mccain-style john new hampshire campaign, a lot of town halls. been troubled be i the competition from -- by the competition from other governors, from bush, from kasich, who don't have his problems. >> since you've been on the ground, you've been talking to candidates, to voters. new hampshire is different. reason,it for that new hampshire public television, hoo, but i also want to ask you whether you're hearing anything different as you talk voters this time. have they really not made up their minds in this final voting?going into the starting with you, lisa. >> what's been remarkable to me strength therech is for senator sanders here. when i grab people on the street people, theyg to aren't necessarily at campaign events. it does seem, if they are that message is resonating with them. it's also been striking to me, little the idea of the first
woman president has caught hold, particularly here where you have a congressional delegation, a governor that's heavily female. hillary supporters who feel strongly about that issue. of people say, yeah, it would be great to have a woman president, i'm just not it. she's that was an argument that her campaign thought would be really helpful to her, really the democratic base. i'm just not sure that i this i, particularly here in new hampshire. >> robert? >> new hampshire is a special place. inother place like it american politics. talking to voters who are likely republican voters, it's amazing to speak to them, because many of them have not made up their at this point. the latest boston globe poll of new hampshire republicans think they can make their mind up or change their coming days. so we're looking at a fickle colorrate, a blue
elect -- blue collar electorate, post-industrial towns ch this is a place that in thelied around mccain past. it has an edge. if trump doesn't win here, this territory for him. but it also has an establishment tog that could be helpful senator rubio. >> reid and doyle quickly, after , andt out of new hampshire sh it becomes a truly national race, which state are you watching? >> south carolina in large part because of what robert said about bush. the pressure on bush to get out is going to be huge. he's got to do well in south carolina. watching nevada, especially on the democratic side. it's a caucus state that should good for hillary clinton. >> thank you, everyone! we have a couple big things for for.o watch out tuesday night, judy woodruff and i will have pbs newshour special coverage of the new hampshire primary, beginning at 11 p.m. eastern. then thursday, judy and i will as moderators of the first
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