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tv   Charlie Rose  PBS  February 10, 2016 12:00pm-1:01pm PST

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>> rose: welcome to the program. tonight, coverage of the new hampshire primary live from new hampshire. (cheers a nd applause) we conclude this evening with "zoolander 2", the new film. we talked to the director and star ben stiller and two writers justin theroux and nicholas stoller. >> you want to satisfy the fans of the first one and i think that was the biggest thing we thought about the whole time. you know, ultimately, i came away with the idea that we had to kind of do what we did in the first one on a certain level but take chances like we did in the first one. >> rose: live coverage of the new hampshire results and "zoolander 2", when we continue.
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>> rose: we are live this evening from new hampshire and new york. candidates from both parties face their second major test in the new hampshire primary today. donald trump emerged as the decisive winner among republicans and berne ben beat hillary clinton by a significant margin. >> we don't win with the military we can't beat i.s.i.s., we don't win with anything. we are going to start winning
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again and we're going to win so much you are going to be so happy, we are going to make america so great again! maybe greater than ever before! (cheers and applause) >> because of a huge voter turnout -- and i say huge! (audience reacts) we've won because we harnessed the energy and the excitement that the democratic party will need to succeed in november! (cheers and applause) >> rose: on the republican side, john kasich took second place in a major boon to his campaign. ted cruz and jeb bush are still vying for third. trailing behind is marco rubio followed by chris christie. joining me now from new hampshire, ed luce of the financial times and megan murphy
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of bloomberg business and rebecca traister of "new york magazine" and dan senor author and political advisor. tell me what the voters of new hampshire were saying this evening, ed. >> well, i was in the thick of it on the floor about 20 feet from trump at the trump victory rally and all i could hear was "build that wall" being chanted as he came on the stage. i think this is an extraordinary election. i'm shocked but not surprised. we've seen this coming. but now that it has come, i think it's sinking in just what a tectonic event this is in american politics. the turnout is way up on both sides, and the establishment candidate romping home. there isn't a blip in a way some new hampshire or iowa win can
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be. hillary clinton will be profoundly worried tonight. there's no clear challenger there to donald trump, except perhaps ted cruz, and that's the last person they want to champion. >> rose: you've seen a lot of politics. what did you see tonight? >> two-thirds of the republicans in new hampshire didn't vote for donald trump and it's amazing one-third did. this is a guy who doesn't know anything except to say evil things about other people. >> rose: this was a real victory for him. he came here, attacked from every side -- >> it's a good thing for him but i think we in our business have to be completely honest about this. if you vote for trump, it means you're not paying attention. these are low-information voters. they are a real threat to this country, they're a real threat to our standing in the world and -- >> rose: i have a hard time
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criticizing voters by saying they're low-information voters. i mean, these are american people who are given the chance to make a choice and they made a choice, whether we like it or not. >> i'm sorry, i think their anger is self-indulgent and i think it's a disaster for the republican party. it's a disaster for the country. things aren't so bad here. you know, it's time that we put this thing into a little bit of perspective. >> rose: the people saying it was bad are the people selected on both sides. >> that's true. hillary clinton got clobbered. she ran, you know, a pretty bad campaign. >> rose: she lost women, she lost -- >> she never really, really connected as a candidate. >> rose: we'll come back because you had an interview with her. dan? >> i disagree. i think it's hard to overstate the scale of trump's victory. you look at the distance between trump and kasich, it's about
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comparable to the distance between hillary and bernie sanders. the difference is hillary and sanders only had two candidates in the race. trump had seven opponents. there are eight in the race and he still broke north of 30%, and this is the pattern that republicans typically win the nomination by. reagan in '80 lost iowa, won new hampshire. george h.w. bush in '88, lost iowa, won new hampshire. >> romney in 2008, lost iowa, won new hampshire. i hate to say it, but trump is on a path here. joe, i take issue. i will not defend trump but the trump voters. this debate about the wall which is offensive to many for understandable reasons, but it is also a vessel for a broader debate and broader expression of discontent about competence in government, who we trust to make things happen, about security, concern about basic homeland security. so, again, trump may be sort of
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torquing the politics here, but the issues these trump voters are raising are legitimate. >> rose: how did you see it tonight? >> it'sko funny. i have been saying a long time as somebody who's written about hillary clinton a long time that having close contests in new hampshire and iowa where she would get beaten would be good for her candidacy. she's better when she's down. she's terrible when she sort of comes in cruising from the top. i have been saying for a long time this is going to be good for her and good for the campaign to really have a fight to get democratic voters invested. >> rose: wait a minute. are you about to say this was a blessing in disguise? >> no, i have been saying this is going to be good and get her campaign in fighting shape. living through it tonight, it does not feel good for her campaign. the past week, it felt like
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maybe she was closing the gap in new hampshire. obviously, bernie sanders was going to win and probably by a significant margin tonight. however, in the past week to ten days, there was a lot of talk that maybe she was going to close it. i know from some clinton supporters they were perhaps hoping for a single-digit loss instead of maybe under 15. last i looked, it's over 20 points. that is a massive loss. the one group i think she won with is voters of color, a very small messenger of electorate in new hampshire and that's the key thing to remember is we are dealing with two very white states we voted for so far. >> rose: megan, evennology new hampshire. what did you think? >> i think this is an absolute disaster for the hillary clinton campaign tonight. i agree i think they were hoping to close the gap to less than 10. we're probably going to see it be above 20. her campaign is struggling so much to connect. you look at every demographic group, bernie took women, young voters by staggering amounts.
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this is showing the real weakness. they cannot answer some of the fundamental questions about ties to wall street, about whether or not she really is going to do something to change the rigged economy which exit polls show nine out of ten new hampshire voters tonight believe the economy is rigged in favor to have the wealthy and until she gets that message right with voters, she's going to continue to struggle. i don't think it's a death blow by any means for her tonight, but it's a really loud alarm bell in their ears that if they're going to right the ship, they need to move quickly. >> rose: looking at what happened tonight, there was on both sides some sense of voting for the idea that america was somehow out of kilter, that something was wrong. taking joe's point that u.s. economic health has been getting better, although there are questions now and the federal reserve is responding to that, but there is a sense about america's fairness and about whether america is working for me. the larger question by donald
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trump is in defense of america and the rest of the world and all that. >> even if you argue the economy is getting better, there are structural trends that have been place for over a decade where wages are stagnant, the general sense growth is contracting not expanding. so there is less revenue for the government and less growth in the economy to serve more people at the exact same time -- >> i just don't think this is an economic phenomenon we're looking at here. i think that this is a tribal phenomenon that we're looking at. i think that there are an awful lot of elderly, working-class americans who feel threatened by a tide of mexicans, who feel threatened by a world where i.s.i.s. can pull off a stunt in
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san bernardino. daniel patrick moynihan always believed ethnicity was always more important than economic class and what we have here is a country that is changing profoundly demographically and i think that, on the republican side with trump's vote, that that's what you're seeing. >> i would argue the economics is tied to everything you're saying. bad economy, less government to go around and with the baby boomer generation retiring we're about to have the biggest peacetime demand in modern history and there is less government to go around and that's why people start to look around and say what's she getting, what's he getting and why am i being cut out of the pie here? >> that's certainly part of it. another part is if you look at who did well and poorly tonight, the politicians did poorly. it's no accident that joh john kasich finished second on the republican side because he was out there riffling.
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he wasn't giving stump speeches and jeb bush was. >> rose: let's talk about john kasich and what this means for him and secondly his victory speech which was very sort of humble and he talked about listening and what he had learned which was very different from what anybody else said. >> well, look, i think his campaign was tailor-made for new hampshire. he's not a good ideological fit for south carolina or most of the states voting on march 1, he has no money or organization outside of new hampshire. he staked it all the last day in new hampshire. to give you one data point, if you're a campaign and wants to make media bytes for march 1, the next big wave of states are voting on the same day, you have to have your money in the door to make the media buys by february 15. you think john kasich within the next ten days will start raising the millions of dollars he will need to be competitive?
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>> it was donald trump's fondest fantasy to have kasich finish second and -- >> rose: you wouldn't disagree with that. >> i agree it was perfect. >> rose: tell me what will be the headlines in the european papers tomorrow morning about this primary in. >> there is going to be a lot of shock. there is going to be a lot of confirmation by us about how america is going. also among educated europeans a guess this is happening in all our democracies in one form or another, that extremist anti-establishment parties are on the rise. it's interesting that the two hours i was on the floor of the trump ballroom before he came out, hillary came on, everybody was watching the big screen, universal deafening boos. bernie sanders came on, total silence, no boos. witrespect for the other anti-establishment person there and i think europe will
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recognize something in that. this isn't just an opportunity to sneer at these american hillbillies as some in europe will do. those who are more thoughtful about it will realize we're all facing a challenge in our democracies right now. >> i think one of the other things, ed said earlier the politicians lost tonight, the two parties lost tonight. the republican party lost. the candidate who gives them the chills is the person who won big and the democrats lost. in the last poll, the last numbers that i saw was that with registered democrats in new hampshire, hillary and bernie were actually around 50/50. it was with independents, people outside the party that she really got what will lopped. a, that's worrisome for sanders when he goes into states where there is maybe only registered democrats but worrisome for her. >> both political parties in new hampshire got clobbered, the establishment of both political parties because the republicans were not supporting donald trump, and the democrats were
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supporting hillary. >> rose: megan, how much of a strengthening thing is this for donald trump not only that we eh won big, has a win and secondly there is even more division now within the so-called establishment wing of the republican party? >> the establishment wing is fractured after marco rubio's gaffe at the debate and they don't have someone clear they can coalesce around. john kasich doesn't have the organization or is money to be the incredible moving forward across the next several states. but i disagree this not being about economics. new hampshire has unemployment less than 4%. there are economic indicators which suggest these people actually shouldn't be that angry about their economic situation and outlook. but every voter i talked to in new hampshire, that was the number one thing they talked about, whether the left or the right, it's the unfairness, the rigged economy, the rich are
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getting richer. you see this and we've talked about this a lot but the sort of convergence between trump and sanders supporters and what is really animating them is the sense that i cannot give my family a better future the way my parents could. i'm going to struggle to send my kids to college. what am i getting? how am i improving my life? and both of them in very different ways are really appealing to that core sentiment of voters of how they are going to get their piece of america. >> rose: you've always had a healthy regard for the center in american politics. >> yeah. it doesn't exist. >> rose: that's my point. the democratic party is moving left, clearly. i mean, is that rae flexion of where, perhaps, this new ascendancy, the obama voters have gone, millennials and those people who think the system is fair, almost every other word that came out of bernie sanders' mouth in his speech was about being against the establishment, the wall street establishment,
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the political establishment, the media establishment. >> well, i think actually his wall street -- bernie is that rare american politician who portrays himself as more radical than he actually is. when his wall street programs are, you know, pretty solidly left liberal, transfer tax on wall street transactions, people have been talking about that for years. it's a good idea, i think, but the problem is this -- and we have to look to our as man -- os and the media -- we have been presenting to the american people a culture of aggrievement. the way we present them is perpetually aggrieved, and it's just not as true -- there is certainly the long-term trends that dan talked about, globalization and so on, but things are pretty good here. as someone who travels the world, i've got to say, you know, i'm much more optimistic
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about this country than i am about europe. >> rose: but there is also an element of fairness, too. let me go to dan. hugh hewitt was on my program last night, he said there would be a brokered convention for the republicans. are one or more republicans beginning to believe that was possible? >> i don't think so. it could be the case. if mike gets in and trump looks like they're running away with the nomination and another republican says i'm rung for nomination. the senior statesman says i'm running and it winds up in the house of representatives because no one gets the majority and they choose someone who doesn't have the nomination to be running for president because it goes to the house of representatives. unfortunately, trump has a conventional path to the nomination.
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this is what horrifies me. h he has this idea, crazy brokered convention, he's so far doing what a typical nominee does who locks up the nomination, and unless that non-trump, non-cruz part of the field narrows, it's going to be hard to catch him. >> rose: megan, what about jeb bush? >> yeah. >> rose: where does he go? he's got to go down to south carolina. look, their strategy now is a war of attrition, pretty much. they are just going to try to wait it out and see if trump does finally have the kind of misstep to knock him out of the top. they are in the forced position of having enough money. his people say they're going to keep pounding. looks like they're battling it out for fourth or third. he got a little bump. had a strong debate saturday but i think we would be kidding ourselves if we said jeb bush is going to be the establishment
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candidate people gather around. it will be how long that money can go. >> the only two non-trump, non-cruz candidates that can go the distance financially and organizationally are jeb bush and marco rubio. chris christie, i don't think, will even qualify for the debate saturday night so i will be surprised if he stays in it. i think if he qualifies for the debate he may convince himself to stay in. but jeb bush and rubio stay in. i'm based for rubio. if the environment is so toxically anti-establishment as we've seen tonight, do we really think jeb bush is the antidote -- is the vessel to kind of check that? >> i like jeb bush an awful lot. he is one of the most substantive people out there, perhaps the most substantive person out there. so when i look at the alternatives to cruz and trump, i think that the only plausible
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one remains rubio, which only makes the kamikaze mission that chris christie ran on saturday night in the debate that much more significant. one thing i've heard from the rubio people is they're going to open up their campaign in south carolina, they're going to make it the new version of the straight talk, express with reporters on the bus with him and so on because, in the end, even though he's very scripted, he also is very well informed. >> rose: jeb took a real hit in the debate. >> yeah. >> rose: he acknowledged, he said, look, the fault is with me, that was a terrible debate and i did poorly. >> there's two camps. among his supporters there are two camps. one camp says that the debate did not go well. the other camp says the reality is he's had seven or eight debates since he's been in this thing, he had one not good
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debate. there is another debate saturday night and if he does well -- >> rose: suppose he'd not have that? >> this would have been a three-person race and we would have had clarity and i don't think we'll have clarity anywhere this year. >> rose: ed luce, let me come back to this. i love narratives and big themes. this whole sense that america is in an anti-establishment, anti-washington, anti-wall street, anti-media, whatever, mood, that that's the pervasive mood in the country today? >> yeah, look, i want to pick up on something joe said about low-information voters. i agree with most of what he said and it's a very disrespondent -- disspohn dent moment for some.
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trump voters know it's the most effective way of putting the middle finger up and they know exactly what they're expressing through him. even if they don't disagree with everything he, is the more outrageous he is, the more he uses inappropriate terms about rivals like ted cruz, terms they weren't apparently allowed to use on air, the better he becomes as what they think of a symbol of the establishment that, look, we think so little of you that even trump are better. there are high information people voting that way. i was talking to them earlier. there are people who know what's going on. in regard to the economy, i agree very much with megan. it's a major factor. the aggregate growth numbers are numbers a lot of people think are rigged. of course, they're not rigged. but they don't see this 2.5% growth in their life. they have a main street recession, personal recessions, and they think the macro numbers are rigged and the elites are
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living in a different planet. >> rose: they sure do feel that. rebecca? >> i think it's important to complicate as you were the narrative of the anti-establishment sentiment cropping up. certainly on the republican side and around donald trump, i mean, this is a guy who had a rally at the end of last year. somebody at the rally was shouting sieg hail. and this is a guy who used a feminized word. i think it's important we not take issues of race and gender out of this because we're talking about abty establishment and a period where there is been an enormous amount of racism directed toward the establishment figure who is the president of the united states, who is a black president and where there is tremendous anxiety about the growing power of women. >> rose: she's pulling closer
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to the president. >> absolutely. also let's not forget hillary represents another kind of threat. there is an enormous anxiety, the growing power of people who have not historically had presidential power. >> rose: how do you explain bernie sanders got the majority of the women vote in new hampshire. >> yeah and they're voting for the anti-establishment candidate. >> rose: even though mad mad anmadeleinealbright -- >> well, madeleine albright did hillary no favors this week in terms of what she said. yes, he's getting women and everybody now except voters of color. there is no explanation except the women are voting less. >> rose: talk about the young people because bernie sanders is winning them overwhelmingly. >> they're turning out to be important in this cycle. we wondered if earlier they
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would be able to pull it off, stitching together the obama coalition and bernie swooped them up. the woman point, she made a real lis stake with the madeleine albright, but also you cannot cajole young voters to vote for you. young voters don't like to be told what to do. they were saying you've got to support your gender. young voters don't and shouldn't think about that. they're going to have to correct that. >> i completely agree. one of the unfortunate thing about the albright and gloria steinem comments that got a lot of press is hillary has been actually using a disciplined and smooth message toward young women. what she said in the debate in town hall last week is i am thrilled they're excited about bernie sanders, their enthusiasm is terrific, i hope to earn their votes. that's exactly the right message.
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she's been great. then she had the surrogates come in and screw things up for her. >> there is a tremendous irony here and i asked her about it when i interviewed her last week. the young hillary clinton would have been a bernie sanders voter. she was a george mcgovern voter. >> rose: and a barry goldwater voter before that. >> but that was when she was a teenager in church. then she went to college, we had vietnam, you remember this stuff, charlie. i said to her, how would you convince that young woman to vote for you now? >> rose: what did she say? i would say to her, keep your ideals -- >> rose: as the argument of her husband was, her argument is you can't go to the bank on promises. you need someone to execute. >> this is jeb bush's argument and the republican primary saying you have all these candidates who want to be the viles for your discontent, they have no policy agenda and no record. i'm the guy with the record.
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the problem is when you talk to primary voters and they watch the tens of millions of dollars of jeb bush or super pac ads they say it look like he's running for governor, a referendum of yesterday. the question for hillary is, you may think she's saying right things at the town hall but are people just tuning her out? are people saying she's been around for 25 years -- >> rose: these are questions we have to ask ourselve ourselv. thank you very much. joe, great to have you here. megan, thank you so much. ed, great to see you, rebecca, thank you. thank you, my friend. good to see you. the republican party has their work cut out, do they not? >> i thought it was narrowed down. >> rose: one last quick question for megan. we say trump is real now, do we have to say now that sanders is the real after this victory?
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>> absolutely, really for real. that's the main thing you take away from tonight, neither of those guys is going anywhere anytime soon. >> they were going to play basketball. >> rose: supposedly video coming up. for all of you, we now turn to another subject. a new movie coming out by my friend ben stiller, "zoolander 2", coming up, a conversation with benn. here it is. >> rose: "zoolander 2" is the highly anticipated sequel to the 2001 cult film. about two dim-witted male models forced out of self-induced compile after the world's most beautiful people are systematically assassinated. with that as an introduction, here's the trailer for "zoolander 2". >> he was once the world's most famous male model.
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even his looks were household names. latigra, magnum and of course blue steel. but that was a long, long, long time ago. lamay? >> you were a joke out there! fashions change. you used to be the biggest supermodel in the world. >> are you a male or female model? >> all is all. i think he's asking do you have a hot dog or a bun? >> i'm with interpol. i need yore help. >> she's hot. i trust her. >> someone's trying to kill the world's most beautiful people. all of them died with your significant look. there is bare skin right, when you enter the world of high
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fashion. >> are you sure that's the right one? >> hey, handsome! what the hell is your problem! >> god help us all. ♪ >> you are (indiscernible). i'm sorry, i can't understand a word you're saying. (laughter) >> you've got it! ahhh! ♪ >> there is only one criminal mastermind who could be behind all this. >> this has changed me! i am bad to the core now! >> where's my god damn latte!
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at am i supposed to have gotten to? >> i'm zoolander. changing things with a look. magnum now! oh! maybe we could try a wash cloth! >> rose: joining me is writer director ben stiller and two of the writers justin theroux and nicholas stoller. policed to have them at this table. why would you want to do a sequel? >> for me, so many people were connected to the movie that loved the movie and i would get asked about it a lot over the years. i loved the movie but nobody discovered it when it first came out. i talked about it with owen and
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wilwill ferrell. it was a chance to say people might like to see it and it might be fun to explore it. i didn't think it was going to happen because it took so long. after we did the first script and it didn't really come together, we went forward in our lives. in 2009, justin and i worked on tropic thunder together. >> i should put my name in the ring if that ever pops up again. >> one of the reasons also is that one of the writers of the original jake slader passed away after the first movie and she was an incredibly funny, standup comedian and he created the character when we did it with the v.h.1 fashion awards. we did a sketch in 1996 where derek was a male model and then the next year. when drake was gone, it was hard to think about doing it. then we started to try to imagine it. then it just eventually felt
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like the studio started to get interested in it. i think it was sort of this culmination -- >> rose: had a momentum of its own. >> yeah. >> rose: but you know what they say about sequels. they're great till they see it. >> everybody wants a sequel. that's the challenge with these things. i think especially comedy sequels, you know, you want to try to give the fans of the first one what they liked about the first one but then, you know, interestingly, you don't necessarily know what they liked. you know, you can try to analyze it but, really, right? everybody has their own personal connection with the movie. for us, it was, i think, an important process all sitting around together and talking about the things that we personally felt connected to from the first one and trying to have enough of a process of just, like, throwing out those ideas. >> rose: the fashion world. satterizeing the fashion world, was there feedback the first
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time you did that, the celebrity fashion world? >> yeah, nobody knew the character. it was a new thing. we didn't likely have the cooperation of the fashion world because they didn't know what it was. what happened is we did a sketch for the v.h.1 fashion awards two years in a row and when we starred to make the first movie, we filmed on the red carpet at the v.h.1 fashion awards, i think it was 2000. and we grabbed interviews from people saying what do you think about derek zoolander when they walked in. donald trump is in zoolander 1. we tried to get him to drop out of the race and come do "zoolander 2". (laughter) but, anyway, they knew about it but didn't really know what it was. and as the years went by and the movie sort of lived on, i think the fashion world sort of embraced it. this time it was around because we were able to reach out to
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everybody, the fashion icons. >> rose: anna winter. yes. >> rose: she also has a cameo role. >> she put derek on the cover. >> rose: yes. anna was very important. she was always a fan of the first one and whenever i would see her over the years she would say, hey, are we going to do a sequel. so when we decided to do it, she was one of the first people we called. we sat down and she said how can i help you and she opened so many doors to us. >> rose: she said to the fashion world, this is going to be good, i'm in it. >> no, she wasn't in it from the beginning and i would kind of dance around it with her. >> we secretly filmed her. flap flap. >> but just the fact she was sort of endorsing it was a big thing and helped us get people like mr. valentino and others. >> rose: what are you saying about that world and the world of celebrity? >> i don't think there is any
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deep message in "zoolander 2". (laughter) it's more political than anything else. >> rose: more than zoolander 1? >> no, there's a shallow message in zoolander 1. the outside is more important than the inside, charlie. that can be my legacy. no, i think we're able to have fun with, you know, celebrity and fashion and how people look at themselves. >> rose: but there is penelope who is the sanest character in the film. >> i was just happy to have penelope get the cover of a magazine. we wanted to give ate different backdrop and have the movie exist in a different environment so we chose this sort of european international intrigue idea, and she was really the first person we thought of, you know, because she -- >> rose: the international intrigue idea. >> yeah, and she represents this
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old-style movie star, you know, beautiful, glamorous, strong, great access, but i wanted a sophia loren type and there is nobody else like her. >> rose: you're doing this how many years later? 14 years later. >> yeah. >> rose: so how have they changed zoolander and hansel. >> well, they're older. (laughter) >> derek is for complex than you think. >> rose: he has a kid. he has a kid. he has issues with his father in the first one. those issues are reflected in this movie. he wants to be a good father to his son. >> one of the things we thought about, the idea in our culture and fashion and celebrity, time
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goes by and you can disappear, six months is an eternity in the fashion world. so for derek and hansel to be out of it 14 years, it was interesting to think how they'd exist in today's world. >> rose: simply to set up this scene. this is hansel trying to convince derek he can still pull off his model looks. here it is. >> you still got it. you're derek zoolander. you stopped a chinese throwing star in midair with a look. i was there. >> that's not me anymore. yes, it is. hey... flash me that beautiful look. give me that incredible magnum. >> no! think fast, magnum. wait! >> no! magnum, now! oh! c'mon! you've got this thing! you've got to focus! >> oh! you've got this! move! >> ow! no! it's not working!
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>> rose: right. charlie, when we come back for the pre-oscar show next year, i think we get into the scene and really with the motivations. >> rose: right now we'll just enjoy it. >> derek has changed. he has a beard. >> he has a beard attend of it. (laughter) >> rose: since we have seen -- we have to show you this scene. this is where valentina, valencia penelope, is recruiting hansel and derek. >> derek zoolander. yes. va lins ia interpol, fashion decision. >> we're clean, lady. go harass somebody else. >> besides, i'm out of fashion. i need to talk to you. it has to do with a death. >> his death is not my problem!
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i can use interpol to help you find your son. if you help me. >> i think we've got to play ball with her. she's got some kind of database or something that she says will help us find little derek. and she's hot and i trust her. >> rose: let me just focus a moment on the sense of what she provides for the film. >> i think she's sort of an anchor. derek and hansel are these characters that they do need someone to kind of be in reality and kind of almost like a straight man to them who's taking them through, and my wife christine played that, i think, in the first movie. but, you know, penelope is also very funny in her own way because she's so serious and real and she took the character so seriously that i think it makes it even funnier and she would come to me every day and
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say what is my motivation in the scene and because i think it was important to her to be grounded so that she could understand why she was doing the crazy things she was doing. i don't ever do that. just motivation -- yeah, so cool, all that actor stuff. >> rose: are you an actor because you started as a director? you had parents who wanted you to be comedians. >> yeah. >> rose: your father wanted you to be. >> my mother was never a big comedy person, believe it or not. >> rose: that's surprising. my dad always loved it. i feel like acting you have to try to let go of all the directorial stuff because that's sort of just commenting on what you're doing and when you're in it, you don't want to be editing yourself. you want to go for it. it's impossible not to especially when you're directing yourself because you have to have an awareness of what's going on, but the more you do that the less you're in the
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moment and right there. >> rose: what did you learn about him that you didn't know about him going into this collaboration, ben? >> derek zoolander, what if i learned? (laughter) >> rose:, no, not derek. i assume everything we know about derek is -- >> yeah, we did jog a lot. it's more of what i learned, already. >> give the guy a break. charlie rose. >> rose: we come down and say what did you learn about him and you said i learn he could jog? >> the one thing i learned which i actually already knew but it's always been reinforced is what an incredible director ben is and what a hard-working director.
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he has an incredible reservoir of energy. >> rose: better. like a buzzer. i was really starting out as a screen writer at the beginning of this process. i was a ten-year process. i learned even with a movie as crazy as this and from ben at the emotional core of the story has to make sense and you have to take it seriously. >> the character has to have some sort of an arc. >> rose: you've learned this. absolutely. thanks, ben. >> rose: here's what scott ruden said. >> did you meet scott ruden? yes. ou are important, charlie. (laughter) >> i have worked with him for 15 years and still haven't met him. >> rose: what's his role in the film? >> he's a producer. >> rose: exactly. he produced the first one, also. i think he's, like, one of the best producers ever. >> rose: how do you measure
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that? >> by the movies and plays that he's produced and his process. he started out as a casting director, he loves actors, he loves the process and he really is just very, very smart. >> rose: i agree about that. he loves the fact we're talking about him, too. here's what he h said, and this is what i was looking for when i was interviewing you. he said i've never seen anybody with such tenacity, wit and first-rate business sense. that's what scott said about ben. i asked you what you learned about ben and you said he goes jogging. (laughter) >> i can actually tie those two together. i did one incredibly hard day on trommic thunder in hawaii. >> rose: oh, yeah, go ahead. it was a 16-hour day where we were up at 4:00 in the morning and attend of the day i was
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getting home and ben with was coming -- our houses were close to each other and he was returning from jogging back from a four-mile, six-mile jog, and i was beaten. it was one of those things, that's why you're ben stiller. >> rose: scott does not jog. that's where all the deals happen and the magic happens. >> rose: he allows me a couple of serious questions in every interview we do. at least two. what was the challenge of the film? i'm serious. what was the challenge in terms of writing and creating? because you've got an interesting theme. you have two characters, three characters, in fact, who have been introduced to an audience and the audience knows them, the film audience. >> yeah. >> rose: now you've got them essentially doing the same thing, satterrizing the same thing but it's 14 years later. >> i think the challenge is ultimately to try to find a good reason to make the film or start
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scripting it and finding the right to find the spine to hang everything on the plot, and i think that's where we spent a lot of time. at the beginning, you can go anywhere and do anything. >> rose: and this they're known characters and have a chemistry together. >> the biggest thing is you want to try to make a good movie and you don't want to try to repeat what you did the first time but you also satisfy the fans of the first one and i think that was the biggest thing we thought about the whole time and, you know, ultimately i came away with the idea that we had to kind of do what we did in the first one on a certain level but take chances like we did in the first one. so not necessarily take the same -- you know, do the same things but take other chances that we didn't do and that was important and try to figure out a context that made sense today for the characters. >> rose: what's the plot?
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i have no idea, charlie. this is why i hired these two guys. >> really convoluted. it's very complicated and has many holes. >> rose: yes, it does. intentionally. at some point we considered doing a tag where derek's son broke down the plot and asked all the questions, what about this, this doesn't make sense... >> basically derek and hansel have been -- you know, there is a huge tragedy where the derek center for reading collapses and his wife is killed and hansel is maimed because he's in there. so derek and hansel are pariahs and they're -- derek can't take care of his son, he doesn't know how to take care of his son without his wife, can't make spaghetti soft, can't feed his son, so he loses his son and goes off into the mountains of
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extreme northern new jersey and hansel has gone to malibu where he's living wan orgy he was in. >> and the movie was banned in malaysia when it came out even though derek was trying to save the prime minister and the prime minister is okay. >> rose: sounds like north korea. >> exactly. so he's in jail and there is a whole other cape fear revenge plot brewing, in that sort of max katy intensity, getting back at derek. >> rose: a perfect image of will feral breaking out of prison. >> i am bad to the core now!
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where's my damn latte? ahhh! >> rose: explain that scene to me. >> i don't know what to say. >> rose: i knew you couldn't. there is an intense relationship between todd who is mugatu's assistant and mugatu that we explored in the first movie and wanted to go deeper
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(laughter) this is the first time they've seen each other in a long time. >> rose: they october like anybody else who might not have seen each other for a long time. >> there are a lot of layers to their relationship. but for us getting mugatu out of jail was a big thing and having that escape to me was sort of making the stupidest prison escape ever. >> rose: did you succeed? i feel like we did. >> rose: have you thought about zoolander 3? >> we have not. i think we were focusing all in on 2. he was thinking about neighbors 2. >> for us, i really was just thinking of how -- i wasn't thinking beyond it, but, you know, it was fun to bring new characters like kristen wiig playing alexanya.
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>> rose: i have two serious questions to ask him. one for you. >> all right. >> rose: what is it about satterrizing celebrities that so fascinates you? >> good question. it's interesting to me. i feel like it might have to do with just having grown up around the world of it and, as a kid, you know, just being around it and being around the backstage, you know, in nightclubs and my parents and on sets. i go back to the show john candy and dave thomas and all of them did in the '80s which i think was the best satire of show business behind the scenes stuff and my sister and i used to watch that and love it and it just felt like to me there is so much humor in how seriously we
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all take it, but i guess it's a very inside thing on a certain level. >> rose: somebody was talking about celebrity last night, for example, chefs. rld of celebrities, too.hole foodies. they are as much as fashion and music and sports. >> they have all sorts of new celebrities now that didn't exist. we used to be actors, singers, comedians. >> rose: donald trump on the stump was influenced by donald trump in a reality television show. >> where he created his character. >> they were switching places like she's now a reality show person and he's gone -- >> he's in the same media with social media. everybody is part of the same thing. >> rose: allow me one last serious question. >> okay. >> rose: this must be the best time for you because of family, living in connecticut, getting to travel around the world,
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westchester, being able to do comedy and drama, working with noah, the things you've done with him together, droppic was another satire on celebrity and entertaining. you're directing. >> yes, i feel very happy, as happy as i feel i can be. >> rose: happy as you can be. i'm as happy as i can be. >> rose: exactly where i want to go. >> i feel very grateful. i feel very grateful for all the things i have in my life. >> rose: it's where you want it to be. you want it to be a celebrity and part of the fashion world. >> you want to be talked about and celebrated. (laughter) with people that can.
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>> oh, my gosh, you're right. this is what you wanted! it is. >> rose: "zoolander 2" in theaters on february 12. how about that? congratulations. >> thanks, man. >> rose: good luck on neighbors. >> thank you. >> rose: thank you for joins arlierose.com.g andit usm and captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org
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man: it's like holy mother of comfort food.ion. woman: throw it down. it's noodle crack. patel: you have to be ready for the heart attack on a platter. crowell: okay, i'm the bacon guy. man: oh, i just did a jig every time i dipped into it. man #2: it just completely blew my mind. woman: it felt like i had a mouthful of raw vegetables and dry dough. sbrocco: oh, please. i want the dessert first! [ laughs ] i told him he had to wait.

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