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>> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: today congress is preparing for the senate impeachment trial of former president donald trump, which begins tomorrow, it's a historic first for the nation as a president has never been impeached twice. our yamiche alcindor and lisa desjardins join me now. hello to both of you on this monday night, to you first, we are just a day away but they are still hammering out the details of how this is going to work. tell us what you know at this
point. >> remarkably, swrudy, we just got the final details for this trial in the last couple of hours. this will be a shorter impeachment trial, it looks like at least, than the fist one for former president trump. let's go through how this is going to, without. first of all tomorrow, the first day of the trial, that day is being set aside for arguments over the constitutionality of this trial. there will be up to four hours of arguments and then the senate will vote on whether this is constitutional to try a former president. you may recall the senate has taken a similar vote, it will do it again tomorrow. that is expected to pass. then wednesday for the rest of the week we will be-- will the argument of the trial itself. presentations for both sides up to 16 hours per side. so four dayses to all. now there say note here the trial will not meet on saturday. they will recognize the jewish sabbath as per the request of one of former president trump's attorneys who is an orthodox jew. instead the trial will resume on
sunday. now it talks about we expect these to be the main days of the argument a. the four days up until sunday. after that, closing arguments for about four hours, again fewer than in the past trial, and senators will then have four hours to ask questions, again, also much less than last time. and an open question that is not yet revolved is there will be witness, this senate resolution that is governing the trial allows for witnesses if house managers or trump's attorneys ask for them and if the senate votes to allow it. so we may not have an answer to that question soon. i'm told that house managers have not yet decided if they want witnesses or not. one very last note, i'm told senators will be allowed to space out throughout the dham ber into the galleries and there will be a special room they will use one of the cloak rooms sort of, or one of the senate's-- senate lobbies and have a television in there for senators to watch off the floor so they can space ot.
>> woodruff: all this in the era much covid. and lisa, what is known as this point about how the prosecutors plan to make their case? >> just a few things here judy. they really believe they want to say that president trump himself was personally responsible for this riot and they are going to use videos from social media to prove their case. i don't have more details on that but i expect that to come from people who participated in the riot, perhaps as well as people who covered it. >> woodruff: and now or to you, yamiche, you've been in touch with former president trump's peop. what do we know about how his lawyers, his attorneys plan to present his defense? >> former president trump's lawyers plan to defend him vigorously and they are really going to be going with a two track approach. the first focused on the process, the jurisdiction, the dew process. the second part is going to be focused on the political rhetoric, on the first
amendment, on the first part there was a 78 page brief released today from his lawyers. part of that really is a window into what they are going to be saying as part of the trial. i want to read to you part of it it says the senate is being asked to do something patently ridiculous. try a citizen to remove from office that he no longer hold, that is what the president's lawyer is saying, he is to longer president of the united staitle and he should not be in an impeachment trial. democrats say there is still the shoo of whether or not he should be banned from holding office. the second part of the president's lawyer defense is again coming to political rhetoric. for that they write the president did not direct anyone to commit lawless action. the claim that he could be responsible for a small group of criminals misunderstood him is simply absurd. they are saying here that the president's words were to walk peacefully to the capitol. of course democrats are saying in fact that the president said fight like hell and as a result that really incited thousands of people to go to the capitol and do that. one other thing, we should be watching for video of this,
there is from my understanding the president's lawyers will be using video of democrats saying firing things at political rallies to make their point. this is in direct contrast to what the president's own supporters are being said when they are being tried in the court. they are saying the president told us to go to the capitol in their different states, this is the president's lawyer saying that is simply not the case. >> woodruff: and yamiche, what can we expect to hear from the people who are arguably at the center of this, president trump himself, president-- and president biden? >> we're going to hear a lot from president trump's lawyers. and we're going to hear very little from my understanding from former president trump as well as current president joe biden. i want to walk you through his attorneys are, the first is bruce cast orb served two terms as an elected district attorney. is he most famous for his 2005 decision not to prosecute bill cosby when he was facing allegations of secretaries ult-- sexual assault from a university employee. also david schoen, another
attorney represented roger stone, a trump associate, he also consulted with the convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein during the final days bmp his death. he also had some very controversial clients including accused mobsters, professionally defending the ku klux klan and others, what you see here is really two men that will be taking to the stage really defending the president full throatedly. other thing to note is the president isn't going to be testifying himself. i talked to his former attorney alan dershowitz and he told me that no attorney would want president trump to be testifying. he said it would be a perjury trap. so this is really president trump leting his lawyers do you will a the talking. and the white house says president biden will not be watching much of the impeachment trial. instead he will be focused on getting his covid relief bill passed. >> woodruff: well, we are going to be covering it very closely. and the two of you are going to be right at the center of our coverage, yamiche alcindor, lisa
desjardins, thank you both. >> thank you. >> woodruff: in the day's other news, the congressional budget office projected that president biden's call for raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour would help and hurt. c.b.o. analysts estimated it would lift 900,000 people from poverty, but cost 1.4 million jobs by 2025. the white house said mr. biden is set on moving ahead. >> the president remains firmly committed to raising the minimum wage to 15 dollars. that's why he put it in his first legislative proposal. and he doesn't, he believes in any american working a full-time job, trying to make ends meet, should not be at the poverty
level and it's important to him that the minimum wage is raised. >> woodruff: the federal minimum wage has been set at $7.25 an hour since 2009. texas republican ron wright has become the first sitting member of congress to die of covid-19. the two-term lawmaker passed away on sunday. he had battled lung cancer in the last year. ron wright was 67 years old. in december, louisiana republican luke letlow died of covid before taking his seat in the u.s. house. coronavirus vaccinations in the u.s. are gaining momentum. the c.d.c. reported today that more than four million people were inoculated over the weekend. but, there were fresh concerns that vaccines may fall short
against variants of covid. the world health organization said vaccine makers will have to adjust. >> we know viruses mutate and we know we have to be ready to adapt vaccines so they remain effective. this is what happens with flu vaccines, which are updated twice a year to match the dominant strains. >> woodruff: new infections across the u.s. have fallen to their lowest since november. the average daily death toll remains near all-time highs. in israel, the corruption trial of prime minister benjamin netanyahu resumed today after being delayed by the pandemic. he showed up just long enough to plead not guilty to accepting gifts from wealthy friends and offering favors to get positive news coverage. myanmar's new military rulers are moving to stop protests against last week's coup.
they imposed a curfew today and banned gatherings of more than eopl large crowds marched again in yangon today, chanting slogans and giving salutes that symbolize resistance. elsewhere, police fired water cannons at protesters inhe capital, naypyidaw. the death toll from a disaster in india's himalayas rose to 26 today, with 165 missing. a glacier broke apart in the country's north on sunday, sending a wall of water down a mountainside. rescue teams worked today to find more than three dozen workers trapped in a power plant tunnel. one man described the moment that the deluge hit. >> ( translated ): i witnessed something that looked like a scene from a bollywood film. about 50 to 100 people were running for their lives but could not be saved and they were engulfed by the river. >> woodruff: officials said potential causes of the disaster range from climate change to
earthquakes. back in this country, denis mcdonough won senate confirmation today as secretary of veteran affairs. he had served as deputy national security adviser and as white house chief of staff during the obama administration. republican senator richard shelby of alabama says he will not seek re-election in 2022. shelby is 86 and has served six terms. he is the fourth senate republican to decide against running again. the last u.s. house race from 2020 is finally over. new york republican claudia tenney was certified today as the winner in her contest, by 109 votes. that leaves the house at 221 democrats and 211 republicans, and, on wall street, major indexes hit new highs on
stronger corporate earnings and economic stimulus hopes. the dow jones industrial average gained 237 points to close at 31,385. the nasdaq rose 131 points, and, the s&p 500 ded 28. still to come on the newshour: the c.e.o. of baltimore city schools discusses the challenges of returning to in-person classes. we report from inside taliban territory as the u.s. troop withdrawal deadline remains in doubt influential former secretary of state george shultz passes away at 100 years old. and much more.
>> woodruff: the push to reopen schools is growing, even as some parents, teachers and families are concerned it's not safe enough yet. president biden reiterated his goals for doing so over the weekend. just yesterday, chicago and san francisco, both involved in contentious battles, reached tentative agreements to re-open gradually. but even doing that in a limited way is challenging. amna nawaz looks at plans being made for a bigger reopening in baltimore >> nawaz: judy, baltimore city public schools have reopened 27 that means that of the roughly 80,000 students who attend public schools there, 2,000 kids have returned to in person learning. the city recently delayed expanded reopening for its youngest students by two weeks, to march first. that will allow more time to address the concerns of teachers and educators. for a look at the challenges around this, i'm joined by dr. sonja santelises.
she is the c.e.o. of baltimore city public schools. dr. santelises, welcome to the news hour and thank you for maybing the time. we mentioned delayed reopening now, that means thousands of students will be welcomed back into your school for the first time in nearly a year, k through 2-7bd great by march 1st, rolling in older students after that through april. based on what you have right now in terms of masking and distancing and space to distance in the school, do you have everytng you need to keep teachers and kids safe when they return? >> we believe we do amna, and i think a lot of that is because one, we invested early in ppe, in redoing and revamping some of our ventilation systems, getting air purifiers where we could. we have also as you noted had about 2,000 students in with teachers, principals, paraprofessionals, aides since the summer.
so the slow and steady building of those numbers has really given us the experience to look back and say this is how we can really work to you know keep our students and staff safe. and we've only had very minimal in-school transmission. only one case. and that was at a lunch site. so weeel as if we really have put the protocols in place to keep families, to keep students and our staff safe. >> what about your teachers? what are you hearing from them? we have heard from a number of other cities where teachers are very reluctant to return to school saying they won't come back unless they are fully inoculated. maryland has a same vaccine shortage earning else does and we know based on reporting that most of those teachers won't be fully inoculated before march 1st. are some relauck-- reluctant to come back? >> absolutely. i think it is a variety of things. i think first and fore most as one teacher just said to me very recently, a lot of this is fear of the unknown.
and this is a teacher who has been in person since the summer. and one of the things she said was until you are actually in and you can see what the protocols look like, you are going to be scared. because we have not done school as a nation in a pandemic prior to this year. she now feels more comfortable because she's been at it longer. but the other key is we have to take into account the social emotional needs of a lot of our adults as well as our students. we had staff who have lost numbers of family members. i talked to a teacher just recently who had to bury her father from covid. and another who lost anywhere from 10 plus members of her family within this pandemic. and so it really does emphasize the need one, to be able to reassure our staff that we have the safety measures in place. and we do. and also for staff to be able to hear from their colleagues. not just from the c.e.o.s, the system, but also from colleagues
that are actually out in the field doing the work from our experience, to have a far larger impact than anything i might be able to say or do. >> what about reluctance among some families. for all the push to reopen schools, we know and the cdc studies have shown specifically among black and latino families there has been real skepticism about sending their kids back into schools and understandably so. communities that have been the hardest hit in the pandemic. what are you seeing in your community and what are you doing to meet them where their concerns are. >> yeah, so we have absolutely seen that with the large numbers of black and latino families that we serve, that a-- that the historical distrust of institutions including educational institutions and health institutions is just compounding some of the hesitancy in some familys' return. what we have found is that slow and steadyemonstrating that
your children are safe, that some of the conditions that were the case prior to the pandemic, we have addressed with something very simple, that a number of teachers not just in baltimore but across the country talk about is well, for example, things like hand so, right. we know the cdc recommends hand washing, frequently. well one of the things we had to do here in baltimore city was revamp and centralize how we distribution hand sanitizer and soap to schools. so when families started coming in and seeing that yes, there is hand sanitizer, yes, there is social distancing, yes, there is an air purifier in the classroom, it was an exercise in gaining trust for families. and we know those of us who serve large numbers of community members who just have not had that trusting relationship, this really is a trust building
exercise. and so where we can make sure that parents can speak to the principals, see for themselves, actually talk to their children at the end of the day and get pictur during the day, open houses, so that families have the chance to dialogue and know what the protocols are. we're more likely to get that success over time. and that's what we saw this fall where we started with only 250 families out of a thousand initial spaces, within three weeks, we had all thousand of those spaces filled because word began to spread and families saw that we were delivering on our promise to follow those protocols. >> how concerned are you about the long-term impact on these kids academic careers if you don't reopen soon? >> it's a great question. and one of the things that we are working on now is what does what we call accelerating learning, learning recovery actually going to need to look
like. even beyond just opening the school buildings. but some of the data that we were seeing that was particularly concerning with regards to student learning laws, for example, was our niefnt grade data. and we know as educators that the research is very clear that ninth grade performance is an intense indicator of the licklihood that a young person will graduate from high school and graduate ready for college or career. we saw an increase of close to 30%, anywhere between 25 and 30% of our ninth graders who had at let one score failure or had a gpa less than 1.0. and that is a real telling sign of concern of the long-term impact for a number of our ninth graders who were just beginning their high school career. >> dr. sonia santelisesa c.e.o. of baltimore citpublic
schools, thank you for making the actual and we wish you good luck and safety in the weeks and months ahead, thanks again. >> thanks for having me. >> woodruff: now, to afghanistan, where the u.s. presence inow 20 years old. last year, the trump administration signed a deal with the taliban that would have u.s. and nato troops out of the country by may 1st. peace talks between the taliban and the afghan government are now stalled, and violence remains high. as special correspondent jane ferguson and producer and cinematographer emily kassie tell us, as part of a series of reports, however the biden white house deals with america's longest war, one thing is sure: the taliban think they have already won. >> reporter: taliban fighters roam freely in the tangi valley,
on the bordebetween restive logar and wardak provinces. we followed them on these winding roads. just a couple of hours drive south from the afghan capital, but this is taliban terrain, and has been since the americans left the valley years ago. now these men anticipate the final phase of their departure drawdown across the country. >> ( translated ): the new president of america must take all his forces out of afghanistan. he should respect the agreement that has been made. if they don't leave, we are ready to carry on. the mujahedeen is not tired of war. joe biden should take all their forces out of afghanistan and leave us in peace. >> reporter: it has been over a year since we last traveled into rural afghanistan to meet with the taliban. we came back to find out how the deal with the u.s. is playing out, after 20 years at war with america. they came and met us and greeted us with gunfire to send a message to the area that the guests have arrived.
morale here is high. we found local commanders relaxed, jubilant even, and with a clear message for president biden: >> ( translated ): there is no difference overall between trump and biden. they are both americans and so we see them as infidels. trump s trying to get something done quickly and get the forces out. joe biden has to do the same thing. he must respect the deal. >> reporter: that deal promises every last american and nato soldier will be out of afghanistan by may 1st, in exchange for the taliban agreeing to break ties with al qaeda and negotiate a peace deal with the kabul government, led by president ashraf ghani. in reality, they have been peace talks only in name, with the taliban increasing its attacks on government forces since signing with trump's team one year ago. these men don't seem to be taking those negotiations seriously. >> ( translated ): we all know ashraf ghani and his whole government were brought here by
the americans and they follow the orders of the americans. after the americans leave they cannot do anything, they cannot carry on. our leaders have already said there will be no more fighting, and they will bring in an islamic system of government. >> reporter: the taliban insist on calli any future government of afghanistan, the islamic emirate, the same name as the régime they led here in the late 1990s before being toppled by the u.s. after 9/11. these men see their leaders as ready to simply take over, with no room for compromise. >> ( translated ): the rest of the world should treat us as a government. the emirate is alive now, but once it comes to full power everyone will accept and respect it. they will treat us the same as any other country. >> reporter: taliban leadership says it wants ghani to step down, but he and his vice president have vowed to continue to the end of his term. would you support that if it meant peace? >> no, no. the only thing i support will be an election. i prefer to die with 100 bullets
in my chest but not compromise the value of elections. that's why we fought. >> rorter: not everyone in the kabul government cangree on this issue. dr. abdullah abdulllah, serving below ghani, oversees the negotiations on behalf of the government. he ran against ghani in two highly contested presidential elections. >> finishing term shouldn't be a priority if it is balanced against peace. durable, dignified peace, acceptable for the people of afghanistan. and i am sure, while president ghani today has responsibilities, as the president of the government, to perform, lead the government and the state, at the same time, if he sees there is a solution that is acceptable for the people of afghanistan, finishing the term might not be a priority.
>> reporter: there is growing concern that the taliban have no interest in peace at all. that they may be simply going through the motions to help america save face as it departs, and could still decide they can topple the government when the u.s. leaves. >> my biggest concern will be, if taliban calculation, or calculus, is based on the fact that "okay, we participate in the negotiations, without making compromise and continue the talks, get the rest of our prisoners released, and getting and then by such a time the time for the us troops to expire according to the agreement that they have and then beyond that they will have the upper hand militarily and they will do whatever they want. >> reporter: president biden has inherited not only america's longest ever war, one it has largely lost, but also a peace deal of president trump's making. it offers little beyond promises that the taliban will not allow al qaeda once more to find safe
haven in afghanistan. that's a promise the pentagon says they are already breaking. biden pentagon spokesman, john kirby: >> without them meeting their commitments to renounce terrorism and to stop the violent attacks on the afghan national security forces, and by dint of that the afghan people, it's very hard to see a specific way forward for the negotiated settlement. >> reporter: if they don't honor the settlement to leave, the taliban have vowed to continue to fight, and the afghan security forces would struggle to hold on to cities without american air support, drawing the u.s. further back into the war. >> ( translated ): absolutely, if the agreement is not implemented, we will await the orders from our seniors to fight. >> ( translated ): we are not tired. the mujahedin don't get tired. remember trump himself said something like ¡these fighters are going to war like it's a football match."
>> reporter: while these power plays continue and all sides jostle for their own interests, ordinary afghans are desperately hoping for peace. there are few places as war weary, and ravaged, as afghanistan. the conflict these people have experienced, 42 brutal years of bloodshed, through soviet invasion, civil war, and american invasion, dwarfs even america's longest ever war. it has robbed generations of their loved ones and made poverty an enduring curse. as you walk around these taliban-controlled villages, and rural areas of afghanistan, it is striking to think of how many billions of dollars of aid money has been poured into this country, and how little of it made it into villages like this. in one village we met salim, our taliban minders waiting outside while we, two women, were permitted entry. he told us he worked his whole life in the persian gulf city abu dhabi to aord to build this house.
now he stands in front of it, pleading with us, rare foreign visitors, for peace. >> ( translated ): mr. joe biden, we want the war to be over, and the americans to leave from here. america is good, but they need to go back to america. >> reporter: i asked him in arabic what he wants for his family's future. >> ( translated ): school. this is my daughter and this is my daughter. i want them to go to school. >> reporter: but the afghanistan his daughters inherit may not meet his hopes. the taliban have recently made overtures about respecting women's rights, conscious of their infamy for appalling repression of women when they ruled this country. but in these areas it seems clear that little has changed in their attitudes. >> ( translated ): the current situation with women in kabul is bad.
we will not accept this. we will only permit them to have whatever rights are specified in the quran. >> reporter: we saw no women in the street anywhere in taliban- controlled areas, and the few we saw at all, in the local health clinic, were being carefully watched. we weren't permitted to talk to them on camera. getting insight into their lives remains frustratingly difficult. meanwhile, in a nearby bazar, men jostle to talk with us, crowding around. there is much discussion as to whether the wider regional rivalries will spoil this moment of potential. you feel like peace is coming? >> ( translated ): yes, yes. maybe >> reporter: maybe? >> but i'm not absolutely certain. >> reporter: what are you worried about it? what's the danger for peace? >> especially pakistan don't want peace in our country, afghanistan. and other countries like iran, russia, they don't want to come peace in our country.
>> reporter: as the talibs gather to eat lunch and discuss the news of the day, reports in the form of voice mails come in on the phone. this one apparently from a commander in kabul city, dismissing the vice president's new policy of increasing c.c.t.v. security cameras in the capital. there is a feeling here amongst the fighters not of coming compromise and serious negotiations, but one of triumph. of the spoils of victory sure to come soon. this attitude is in part informed by that trump agreement; in many ways a win- win for them. president biden's next move on that deal will impact the people of this country for a generation to come. with a delicate balancing act of pressure and diplomacy he will have the fate of tens of millions of afghans in his hands in the coming, critical weeks. for the pbs newshour, i'm jane ferguson, in the tangi valley, afghanistan. >> woodruff: tomorrow night,
jane looks into a terrifying and methodical campaign of assassinations in kabul, the afghan capital, targeting politicians, civil society and the public that has shak the city to its core. >> woodruff: now, a look at the life of former secretary of state george shultz, who died yesterday at his california home. the statesman, economist, and business executive served as america's top diplomat under ronald reagan, and as nick schifrin tells us, that is where his lasting legacy was formed. >> schifrin: in 1985, president ronald reagan shook hands with the man leading what he'd called the evil empire. at his side: the man behind the strategy: secretary of state george shultz, who explained his
belief in diplomacy, to judy woodruff in 1987. >> it's a form of direct communication. by and large, good things happen in connection with such meetings, and have historically. >> schifrin: shultz called u.s.- soviet diplomacy the “highest stakes poker game ever played.” that first meeting between cold war foes in a decade kickstarted u.s./soviet detente that helped bring down the soviet union four years later, and a u.s. victory n in the near-50-year cold war. >> i will well and faithfully discharge. >> schifrin: shultz became secretary of state in july 1982, holding the office until ronald reagan left in 1989: the longest serving chief diplomat of the last half century. the idea that reagan should talk with the soviets, was initially met with pushback, he told the late jim lehrer in 2010. >> i was told that some members of his immediate staff tried to stop it. you know, people had a funny feeling. they didn't have confidence that he could hold his own in one of these conversations.
and i knew him very well. and i was confident that he could hold his own and then some. he was terrific. >> schifrin: in 1987, reagan and gorbachev signed the "intermediate range nuclear forces treaty", the first arms control treaty in history to eliminate an entire class of weapons. >> today, on this vital issue, at least, we have seen what can be accomplished when we pull tother. >> schifrin: and though that treaty died last year when both the trump administration and the putin governnt pulled out. shultz believed the seeds planted by the detente helped lead to eastern european revolutions and the falls of the berlin wall, as he told jim lehrer in 1990. >> it was almost as though you were sitting behind a big dam and you see these leaks start and pretty soon you think that i had better get out of the way, maybe that dam is going to break. >> schifrin: shultz's friends say he embodied the greatest generation. he began his public service as a marine in the pacific during world war ii. and he became the most versatile
of aides: on president eisenhower's council of economic advisers in the 1950's, president nixon's labor secretary, in the late '60's, where he helped lead desegregation, then nixon's director of the office of management and budget, and then; treasury secretary. one of only two american officials to have ever held four cabinet-level positions. throughout, his friends say he lived by a code, “trust is the coin of the realm.” that's the phrase he highlighted in december in the "washington post," to celebrate his 100th birthday. shultz used that trust with congress during the iran-contra affair. in the '80's, the u.s. sold weapons to iran to help fight then-american partner saddam hussein of iraq, in an effort to release american hostages held in lebanon. the proceeds of those sales were funneled to right-wing rebels in central america. after initial denials, reagan admitted it: >> a few months ago i told the american people that i did not trade arms for hostages. my heart and my best intentions
still tell me that is true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not. >> schifrin: but a few months later, shultz insisted he and president reagan had been kept in the dark. >> and i remember ying, "well, mr. president, i don't know very much, but if i am telling you things that are news to you, then you are not being given the kind of flow of information that you deserve to be give” >> schifrin: congress believed him, helping reagan's legacy, and his, to remain; their work bringing down the iron curtain. >> we had a special project having to do with the countries of eastern europe and you could see this change coming. >> schifrin: as an elder statesman, a voice for american leadership, and a champion of diplomacy, and the diplomats who conducted it. george shultz was 100 years old. for the pbs newshour, i'm nick schifrin.
>> woodruff: never before has a former president been impeached and never has one president been impeached twice. here to navigate these uncharted waters with us, our politics monday pair. amy walter of the cook political report. and tamara keith of npr. hello to both of you, on this monday evening. and tam, it took us what, 20 years from the impeachment of president clinton to get to the impeachment, first impeachment of president trump but only one year to get to the second impeachment of president trump. how is this trial going to be different. >> well, that one year was 2020 and it felt like 20 years. but this is going to be different because this is a much different-- in the first impeachment it was something that happened behind closed doors, there was a phone call, there was a transcript, there
wasn't video, there wasn't a public campaign as there was this time where president trump lead a public campaign over a series of weeks to try to undermine the outcome of the election and reverse the outcome of the election which culminated on january 6th with that rally that was followed by the insurrection that left five people dead. and so house impeachment managers are going to be able to make a much clearer case, one that doesn't require understanding foreign policy or you know sort of what the role of the president is or what the president can ask another leader to do. this is in a way much simpler, that the case that the president's lawyers will be making is that it's unconstitutional to impeach someone or to convict someone, a president after they have left office. it will be more of a process argument which often is, i mean,
i think they also made a process argument last time too. >> woodruff: and amy, what would you add to what is different of different but also in terms of the public view of this, compared to how the american people were watching and thinking the last dp around? >> sure, i mean i think th most obvious judy is that there is not a sense of urgency in this case as there was back in january of 2020. obviously we were talking about removing a president from office during an election year, the last year then, if he were convicted would be completed by vice president mike pence. so with president trump now no longer in office, lost re-election, that's not just, it doesn't have quite the same intensity as it did back then. as tam pointed out the other thing that is missing that would be different is there is going to be more video and less
testimony, right, less talking and more of the video coming from the democratic managers, and finally i think that there is a skepticism, especially among or even among many democratic voters. and the skepticism born of watching politics in the trump era, watching whether it was the first impeachment, whether it was the other series of controversial things that president trump did and watched republicans in congress really stand aside. not criticism-- criticize, not vote against, continuing to unify behind him so the idea that you're going to find 17 republicans, i think you hear from even democrats who would like to see this process work through, they don't see that happening. and i think voters, even democratic voters are ready to kind of turn the page and move on. >> and what about those
republican senators, tam. we assume that all the democrats or most of the democratic senators will vote to convict. we don't know that yet, we'll see but the republicans have been watched more closely. what kind pressure are they under from the trump base, from the republican base. >> well, we got a bit of a preview with this vote on whether it is constitutional to impeach a president after he left office and the majority of republicans, the vast majority of republicans voted in favor of that saying tt is not constitutional. so what is going to happen this time that is different than last time? it's not clear and for these republicans, look at what happened to the republicans in the house who voted for impeachment this time around. those republicans have been punished. there is no reward in the republican party for distancing
yourself from president trump. and you know, these are house members, republicans who were in the chamber or were personally affected by this insurrection that came into the capitol. and they voted their conscience as their leaders told them they could. and they have been sense seured by the republican-- censured by the republican party ins their state. this tells you that there are consequences. people who crossed president trump time after time after time no matter how at the moment it seemed like maybe this will be the time that he loses his grip, every time ultimately the people without go against him are punished by the party. >> right. >> amy, how, how real is the trump enduring influence over these senators? are we seeing any waning of it? >> it is a really good question. i think what we are starting to see in some polling is that there is some frustration even
ong republican voters, even among republicans who voted for donald trump with the way he behaved in those final weeks of his presidency denying that he lost the election. pressuring republicans to overturn the results, pressuring congress to overturn the results and then of course the attack on the capitol. but we also don't know, you know, a year from now, two years from now when we are up for yet another election, we have the mid term elections in 2022, the five republicans who as tam pointed out voted to allow this to go forward saying they thought it was constitutional, of those five, only one is up for re-election, the rest of them either just won re-election or they're not up until 2024, so they don't have an immediate consequence in the same way that house members do who are up every two years. but i also know that historically, it's the person who sits in the white house that becomes the fokal point of politics. it's very hard when are you not
in the bully pulpit to continue to drive the political conversation and the party. the one way where i think we could expect him to still get involved is in primaries where the core voters are still going to turn out and listen to what the president has to say. this is why there are a lot of republicans very worried about states like arizona and pennsylvania, states that would determine control of the senate in 2022 if president trump gets involved and endorses a candidate like trump or a candidate who is in that same mold, that could put thse seats at risk. >> woodruff: and i have tried not to let the word 2022 splip from my lips, amy, until you forced me to say it. just now. just about 40 seconds left, i just want to quickly as both of you how much do you think the biden white house is truly counting on some republican support for their covid relief plan?
tam, amy, quick. >> yeah, let me just say, they are redefining what bipartisan is, citing republican mayors, for instance, saying that makes it bipartisan. amy? >> yes, i don't know that we're going to see a lot of that support. it goes to this, those two races, those special ections in georgia changed everything. gave biden a lot more opportunities to work just with his own party. >> all right, we are watching it all. amy walter, tamara keith, politics monday. thank you both. >> woodruff: veteran quarterback tom brady notched his 7th superbowl win last night, a record, this time at the helm of the tampa bay buccaneers. the accolades for brady and teammates seem familiar by now. but as jeffrey brown reports,
while millions tuned in for what has become an american tradition, there were reminders everywhere that it was a game, and a year, unlike any other. >> brown: whether it was the fewer fans and cut-out photos of others, or the ads that were all over the place on addressing or not addressing current events, or the fact that, yes, there was a game even amid the pandemic, this was a super bowl that in some ways captured our strange moment. william rhoden, writer at the sports and culture website, "the undefeated," was there and joins us now. thanks for joining us again, so you wrote in a colume today about the difference a year brings, did last night feel real or surreal from where you are sat? >> surreal by a long shot. i have covered a lot of these. and yesterday, last night sitting in a press box with colleagues, in a press box that hold 3-s00 looking at cardboard cut outs, as fansk was just
really sur rile. yes, the nfl did pull it off but you have to wonder at what cost. what are going to be the long-term health affects of a lot of players whwere hit with covid. we just don't know. i'm sort of concerned about that. >> well, i mean, talk a little bit more about the nfl. because on the one hand as you say they pulled off the season, they puld off this event. they also were towting social justice project that they are now putting forward but you know, this is a sport that has so many continuing questions aroundvmentd and it's commitment to social justice, whether you mentioned colin kaepernick or many of the black coaches getting positions, where do you s things. >> well, you know, this was an economic initiative, basically to fulfill a tv contract so the nfl could give the owners bifl
their stimulus check. so fine, that's great. and but they wanted to do a super bowl so we could see something we normally see. but this was so abnormal. anin a time for social justice, the nfl gets an f, you have another hiring cycle, one african-american coach without got the job, as you said, basically under pressure, from the de shawn watson, no, the lack of african-americans in the executive suite, and in the coaching seat, it's terrible, it's really terrible. and we're all wonder wag do you do to make these owners do the right thing? i mean many of them seem to just have a sort of confederate, in-- invisible confederate flag of resistance around the organization saying you are not going to make us do anything. so talk is one thing. but action, we're looking for action. >> i mentioned the ads which
also seemed to add to the strangeness of last night, at least watching from home. could you see american corporations groping with how much to address our moment. so some of them went directly to social protest or the pandemic. others could hae been ads that in any superbull year. >> yeah, we as a nation, just have some real grappling to do with the truth. and the nfl is sort of a metaphor of that grope grappling, a league where 712% of the plaiers are black-- 72% of the players are black, this is about power and control, the nfl and corporations who are their partners talk a good game but they are not giving up anything. so you know, before the super bowl, during the super bowl and now after the super bowl, still haveo deal, have a reckoning about how you are going to deal with power control, and african americans if your league incomer a league that was built on their shoulders. >> in the meantime a game did happen, right, and the
buccaneers won and tom brady won his 7th super bowl, an incredible achievement. you write about this and of course you have written about this for a long time. it is the role of sport in either as a kind of salve or sometimes bringing us together. what did you see last night. >> yeah, i mean listen, i think sports, not the business of sports but just the competition of sports is great. tom brady is a bad man, i don't care. you know, you know, and we can say that, ando on and celebrate that, not his as independents or democrats or republicans, but just as people who are cheering for a team. and that's great. and i think that sports is about accountability, you know. if there is a scoreboard doesn't lie, we are in this realm where people can-- the truth, you can't do that in sports. the reality is a reality. the truth is the truth. the scoreboard doesn't lie. >> so what kind of game did you see last night? >> kansas city had their clocks
creamed. i don't care, you know, the fans, you know, if they are supporters of the former president, fans can't say well kansas city won the game, no, you didn't, you lost. go home, get better that is what everybody saw. that was-- that was the truth. like i said, scoreboard in our business is sports don't lie. that was the truth. >> william rhoden of the undefeated, thank you very much. >> thank you. take care. wdz we'll remember that, the truth is the truth, in what you see in pored sports. and starting tomorrow right here you can watch our special coverage of the second impeachment trial of former president donald trump. here's a look at what lead to this historic trial. >> charged with inciting a violent insurrection. >> we will never give up, we will never concede. >> out of power and on trial, again. >> the whole world bore witness to the violence that was used. >> what will the senate decide.
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