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"bbc world news america." telling the rioters to trump -- the house impeachment managers wrap up their case that the former president played a key role in orchestrating the siege. facts even after the attack, the insurrection is made clear to law enforcement that they were just following president trump's orders. jane: the current occupant of the oval office is the house prosecution is having an effect even if it does not change the outcome. conspiracy theories and extreme right wing groups in the netherlands has the country gets ready to head to the polls.
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to "world news america" on pbs and around the globe. house democrats made their final push in the impeachment trial of donald j. trump today. their main argument is the rioters acted at the direction of mr. trump himself and warranty could promote new violence if he is not convicted. the prosecution relied on emotionally charged videos to highlight what they described as the harm caused by his words. they will need to sway 17 republicans to convict mr. trump of a single charge of incitement of insurrection. here's a bit of wt we heard today. >> on january 6, we know who lit the fuse. >> president trump's lack of remorseand refusal to take accountability after the fact poses its own unique and continuing danger. >> this attack on our elections come on the peeful transfer of power from one president to the next didn't even happen during
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the civil war. but it did just happen because of the cold, calculated, and conspiratorial act of our formal -- formepresident, donald j trump. >> declared his conduct totally appropriate. it gets back that she gets back into office, it happens again, we will have no one to blame but ourselves. jane: let's go now to capitol hill. we did not see the drama we saw yesterday, so how did the democrats build on their case? reporter: piece by piece. they built the case to demonstrate the role mr. trump had in the attack, the day of the attack, and also his intent. because intent is key to proving incitement. they used the words of his supporters both before maturing, and after the attack to show his supporters thought they were
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acting according to mr. trump's guidance. they looked back at his history, showing he had a pattern of inciting violence, for example, inciting violence against protesters at his political rallies. they made quite an issue of his supporters attacking the governor of michigan, an elected official, during which mr. trump did not condemn it and can -- and seemed to condone it with a nod and a wink, saying this was a dress rehearsal for what happened at the capitol and you can see the pattern in his behavior there. then they made the case that he showed no remorse and that was dangerous because he thought his behavior was entirely appropriate, so he could still cause harm. if it wasn't he, some other president in the future might take similar action because they felt he or she would not have impunity. those are the main arguments they made, urging senators to vote to impeach mr. trump for
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incitement. jane: tomorrow, we are going to hear from the defense. what are they likely to say? reporter: we have already heard from them in the sense that they argued the trial was not constitutional. that was a vote and they were defeated in that vote, so it is not clear if they will bring up that procedural argument again. the other addition they have taken is that mr. trump was speaking figuratively on the day of the trial, his incendiary language was not literal, even though i should say from the statements we heard, his supporters certainly took them literally. he did notean them literally, they will argue. they will argue he talked about a peaceful march to the capital at least once. they will say his speech is political and that's protected by the constitution. he hashe right to free speech. we saw the democrats closing remarks to counter that, saying there are curbs to freedom of speech and mr. trump crossed them. but we understand the cases not
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going to take up even a full day to make their case and that may be because they believe they already have the votes to acquit mr. trump. jane: thank you for joining me. let's get a sense of how the democrats fared in their arguments. i'm joined by democratic congressman jackie spear who joins us from california. thank you for taking the time this afternoon. we just heard barbara say the defense thinks they have this in the bag despite the fact there's so much compelling evidence being heard. they think republicasenators are not going to vote to convict president trump. in that case, what will this impeachment hearing have achieved? guest: it is so important for our country because when all is said and done, five years from now, 10 years for now, 20 years from now, these men and women to vote not to convict trump will
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go down in infamy as being codependent on him and all about self-preservation. a because they have done such a good j, the house managers, in making the case. the president, then president trump, spent $50 million to rev up that base. he spoke in incendiary language. as the lead manager said, jamie raskin, it's like a fire chief starting a fire and then refusing to let the fire engines go to put out the fire. jane: but how does this help the country now in the sense that we hear about calls for unity from the democrats and yet, everything i'm hearing from republicans on the ground is this just makes them angrier and angrier. the president is no longer in
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office. if there is a way to hold him accountable for past actions, impeachment is not that way. guest: i flatly disagree with that. that was the whole argument of the jaary exception. he was, in fact, impeached while he was in office. if we are going to say now he is out of office, even though he was impeached while he was in office, that would suggest in january, a president can do any number of unlawful acts and be able to do that with impunity and there are plenty of cases -- actually dating back to hastings in english law, to show persons can be charged and convicted for acts they did when they were in office under our law and under english law. jane: even if he is convicted, president trump obviously is not going to go away. he has made that pretty clear.
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how worried as the democratic party about his continuing influence over a sizable part of america's population? 74 million people voted for him in november. guest: i think what you are going to see happen, if he has a stickiness to his base, you will see a third party created. i think the result will be the republicans will find themselves in a cold, dark winter for a long time. he is not representative of the american people. he's rresentative of a very small sliver in the american population made up of white and anarchists and anti-semites. that's a group of people hell-bent on tearing down our government, not in lifting it up. jane: congresswoman jackie
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spear, thank you for joining me from california. guest: it to be with you. jane: let's turn overseas now. in recent months, the netherlands has erupted in riots. anti-e.u. vaccine conspiracists and qanon has taken hold in a country otherwise considered calm and orderly. with an election a month away, what does the recent unrest mean for the country's future? reporter: a stable, orderly country that prides itself on a reputation for efficiency and compliance. rocked by discontent. these public rampages were initlly seen as a response to the netherlands first curfew since the nazi occupation in the second world war. in reality, tensions have been festering. >> i think this country is hurting right now. it is in pain. reporter: this is a dutch celebrity who recently launched her own political party.
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she thinks the unrest exposed and undercurrent of resentment across generations. >> what we are seeing right now is this country reaping what it has sowed. the netherlands has always projected an image of being reasonable, of being progressive and tolerant and open, but what it really was was it was just on the surface. reporter: theombination of the covid related lockdown alongside a childcare scandal that caused the collapse of the coalition government has had a destabilizing impact. those who are already frustrated felt emboldened, vindicated, because the government had broken its own rules. the world health organization declared the covid-19 outbreak a pandemic inarch last year. the instability has given rise to characters who have cultivated followings with their movements speaking out against the restrictions imposed on their freedoms. a dance teacher is one of the most visible skeptics of corona.
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>> i understand the feeling of hopelessness. i understand the feeling of agitation and aggression of the people committing the violence. however, i do not think that is the right way. reporter: you have the power to stop people from confronting politicians. >> i want them to confront politicians. why would i try to get them not to do that? reporter: despite 2.2 million deaths across 200 countries, he does not believe the coronavirus pandemic exists. this as well as other conspiracy theories have been gaining support here. >> this was never a big country of conspiracy theories, but if you don't know the truth, anything could be true. reporter: a famously anti-islam politician who has been outspoken for almost two decades was recently convicted of insulting moroccans. he's also the country's opposition leader. >> they are not a huge group,
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for chilly, but they should be dealt with in the most severe way because first they tried to use violence, which is something we never should accept, but they also stop the democratic parliamentarians, which are being hassled going to parliament and doing their job, just because they refuse. reporter: most dutch people have now accepted the lockdown. i asked if he is worried about those losing faith in the state. >> they are really saying we are open to conspiracy theorists. i's a very small number. reporter: but there is a risk in dismissing the dissatisfaction or push some of thoseho already feel forgotten closero the edge and fuel the pandemic. fuel and freedom promised from those across the spectrum, who
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can deliver them in the context of the covid crisis might decide europe's first election of 2021. jane: china has banned bbc world news from broadcastinon its territory. china state media has had the bbc was responsible for what was called a slew of falsified reporting on issues including china's handlingf the coronavirus. they go on to say fake news is not tolerated in china. last week, we broadcast detailed accounts of muslim women who said they had been systematically raped in so-called reeducation camps. the bbc said it was disappointed with theision and, in a statement, said the bbc is the world most trusted international news podcaster and reports on stories -- new broadcaster and reports fairly and without fear or favor. let's take a look at some of the
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other day's news. president biden has spoken to the chinese leader for the first time since taking office. the white house said mr. biden expressed concern oveng kong and china's treatment of uighurs in china. for its part, authorities in beijing said biden was warned against interferg in china's internal affairs. humans rights watch has accused -- the campaign group says artillery attacks struck homes, hospitals, schools and markets, killing at least 83 civilians. the duchess of sussex, meghan markle, has won her high court privacy claim against the mail after a published extracts of a letter to her estranged father in 2018. she condemned what she called it legal and dehumanizing practices. the judge in the case said she had a reasonable expectation the
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contents of the letter would remain private. you are watcng "bbc america." still to come on tonight's program, 10 years ago, joy corrupted in tarry or square after hosni mubarak step down. where has the uprising left ypt and's now? -- left egyptian's now? human rights groups have welcomed the release of the saudi women's rights activist -- but her future is still uncertain. >> her family has been emphatic, deghted as they are that she is now out of prison and that was so clear from the press conference given by her two
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sisters, but they emphasize she is not free. she's very much on probation. she cannot travel. she is at home with her parents in riyadh and while there is some uncertainty about it, what was told to us at the press conference was that it was more or less made clear if she speaks t or tries to go back using twitter again, becoming an advocate again for rights in the kingdom, she could be sent back to prison. that is because she is out on a suspended sentence. jane: 10 years ago, egypt's president was forced to step down after8 days of demonstrations in tahrir square. it was a seiic moment and helped to encourage other uprisings in the middle east. their hopes the movement would
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deliveretter and freer lives in arab countries, but the results have been mixed at best. jeremy bowen reports. reporter: nobody who was there will forget it. tonight egypt's president step down and tahrir square in cairo erected. it took just 18 days of protests, danger, and death to remove a president who had been an immovable fixture in the middle east since the 1980's. the people have taken on a brutal police state and overthrown an authoritarian leader who appeared to be in control. their achievements will change the middle east. it did. but not in the way the people who cleaned up the square the next morning symbolically reclaiming their country were hoping. mohamed soleimani, now a put a
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goal analyst in washington, was a 19-year-old protester. >> we believe this was the moment in history where arab people could finally be free and be the master of their own f reporter: but egypt revolution lacked leaders. more powerful forces did not. the muslim brotherhood's candidate for president beat the militaries. as egypt lurched between crises, the generals seized power in 2013. at least 2500 people, many of them muslim brotherhood supporters, were killed in the next seven months. the last couple of minutes, the rare -- there was fire into the wall.
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all of this is the sign of the danger on the streets in cairo, about the divided nature of society. the president, a former general, has jailed tens of thousands of opponents of his regime. among them, numbers of this family, prominent human rights campaigners. one was tortured during years in the jails. he still a prisoner along with his sister. another sister live-streamed this video after her sister was arrested. both women were beaten. their mother says it is much worse for thousands of other egyptians. worse than under mubarak? >> much worse. all of these things used to
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happen, but the scale is completely different. reporter: is there something the west should be doing now? >> i know politicians are selling people the line they have to back singular regimes in the area because it's the only way to achieve stability. this is their alibi. british people should hold their government accountable for what it is doing, for how it is working for the benefit of arms and energy companies rather than people. reporter: in cairo and across the middle east, millions do not want another decade of a people. -- they want jobs. they are angry about oppression and unemployment, still the highest in the world. in egypt, a third of under 30's
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are jobless. the old grievances of 2011 still exist. but the hope has been crushed. history shows repression works until desperation overcomes fear and then it doesn't. jeremy bowen, bbc news. jane: before we go, let's revisit our top story -- the impeachment trial of former president donald trump. democrats wrapped up their prosecution. president trump apostle legal team will get their chance to make their defense tomorrow. let's bring in the former special assistant to forge w bush. as the defense lawyers themselves made clear, they think it has been a very compelling two days. the democrats have laid out a very strong case. what's their biggest challenge tomorrow? guest: good evening to you once again. the biggest challenge tomorrow moving forward into the weekend
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is proving donald trump was the single driver find the violence we saw at the capitol. yes, he sent out a lot of bad tweets, yes, he said a lot of things many people find upsetting in his speeches. but was it foreseeable that what he tweeted and what he said led to the violence at the capital? defense is going to do everything they can to say he may have done some bad things but you cannot lay it all at the feet of the former president of the united states. jane: one of the things the democrats said was that this wasn't just an aberration, it was the culmination of a pattern of behavior. we listened to those videos of donald trump saying over and over again, condoning violence, certainly not condemning it. isn't there a point that at the very least, republicans should have taken this more seriously? guest: there's no questions about that. i've been one of the few republicans who has been outspoken about his behavior
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over the years. i think they were so afraid of getting a primary challenge over their house or senate district races that they stayed silent. but they could have come together in a bipartisan fashion and censured the president. they could have come together and said we deplore what you said, we deplore what you have done and you should be held accountable. i'm worried if the president is exonerated, if he is acquitted in this trial, he's going to feel emboldened and empowered and 74 million people voted for him. that's a political force to be reckoned with that could very well feel energized to go out and remain in the forefront of american politics. jane: if he does, what do republicans do? how are they going to manage donald trump over the next several years? guest: we need to decide who we are as a party. do we have one ideological view or do we have several voices that come together in our tent and say this is who we are as a party? if we stand behind one man and
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one movement ratherhan doing the best for the american people, the american people are not going to vote for republicans and the democrats will have a much stronger hand to play in 2022 for the midterms and once again for president in 2024. jane: explain why there doesn't seem to be a movement of republican senators to cross the island vote for conviction. what are they still scared of? guest: they are scared of the president, they are scared of his supporters, and candidly, they are scared they will be on the wrong side of history for donald trump. they have to vote there conscience, vote for their constituents, however that might turn out. jane: thank you very much as ever for joining me. a member you can find more on all the days news at our website and do check us out on twitter. i'm jane o'brien. thank you for narrator: funding for presentation of this program is provided by.. the freeman foundation.
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judy: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight, the trial intensifies. democrats wrap up their argument against former president trump asking if what he did is unimpeachable, what is? violence persists 10 years on and remains that democracy remains elusive. and the longest war. an afghan air force pilot searches for a new life in the u.s. after running afoul of both the afghan government and the telegram. >> either


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