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widespread outrage over the sacramento police shooting of stephon clark is sparking nationwide protests and calls for police reform. also president trump takes on amazon as ses a and facebook continues to stumble. and a speak peek at films that take you to the supreme court. welcome to kqed newsroom. we begin with the controversial police shooting in sacramento. we want to warn you the footage you're about to see contains graphic content that may be disturbing to watch. last week police officers shot and killed stephon clark an unarmed 22-year-old african american man in sacramento. the officers were responding to
calls fbt car break ins when they confronted clark at his grandmother's home. they shot at him 20 times saying they thought he had a gun. it turned out clark was holding a cell phone. the attorney general said the office would investigate the incident at the request of the sacramento police department. stevante. the mayor wants to talk to me. the chief of police got my brother killed. he shows no emotion at all. >> and you all get mad at me for not crying on the news? >> yesterday mourners attended the funeral for stephon clark. rev ra al sharpton delivered the eulogy at the request of the family. >> the president's press
secretary said this is a local matter. no, this is not a local matter. they've been killing young black men all over the country. and we are here to say that we're going to stand with stephon clark and the leaders of this family. we are putting aside our differences. it's time for preachers to come out to the pulpit. it's time for pligs to come out their office. it's time for us to go down and stop this madness. >> to discuss all this further, i'm now joined by politics and government reporter katie who joins us from sacramento. also a public policy professor jack laser and a civil rights attorney john brew us. thank you for being here. katie, i want to begin with you. the family had requested an independent autopsy. those results were released today. what did that autopsy find?
>> yes. their independent found that stephon clark was shot eight times. five of those times he was shot in the back. he was shot once in the side, and once in the dmek, and then -- neck and then once in the thigh. >> who do the findings suggest about the police officer's narrative about what happened that night? >> well, the attorneys for clark's family say that that suggests that the police officers' narrative is not right. we have been told they feared for his life, that he was approaching them. they thought he had a weapon, but this report would indicate that he was largely standing with his back turned away from them. the doctor said that the first shot actually went in to his side while he was facing the house and it was so powerful it actually spun him around to his back was fully to the officers where he proceeded to be shot in the back and as he was either
falling to the ground or on the ground, he was shot in the le >> so, john, i want to bring you in at this point. you were involved in drafting a sacramento council mandate used in recent years to revise the policies on use of force. based on what you know, do you think proper procedure was followed in the clark shooting? >> i do not. given my assessment of the facts, the big issue here is you're not supposed to be use force unless your life is in danger. if you perceive that, was that reasonable? my concern is the officers appeared to leave a position of safety. the young man walked toward them, and they seemed not to assess properly whether he was a threat to them or not. the real question is did they really have -- exercise proper judgment. you can have all the procedures you want. we can do a good job and i think sacramento has largely tried to do a good job in revising the policies, but you also to v to
follow them. if you don't, you get a violation of the policies. you get what you get here. a number of shots. for me the failure to properly assess this young man is clearly in violation of the rules in terms of using ing excessive fo. >> professor jack, weren't there other rules that weren't followed as well? did they identify themselves as police officers? did they get immediate help for stephon clark? >> as far as i understand, they didn't identify themselves which they are supposed to do, and it does seem like they spent quite a bit of time waiting before getting help for him in the latest report i saw it was that it took three to eight minutes for him to expire after he had been shot. so that's going to be an issue. but i'm not a forensic psychologist, and i'm not really prepared to comment on the particular chase. i can say this is the kind of thing we see.
i'd agree with mr. sharpton. this is not a local problem. >> also one of the issues was when the other officers came up an officer says to mute their mikes. that's disturbing, because generally a person will tell the truth about something immediately after it occurs. if you tell them to mute their mikes, then you seem to be suggesting that you don't want to hear them tell the truth about what happened at the beginninbegi beginnibegi begin. that's disturbing to me. i don't know that an officer can justify shooting this person that number of times in the back give than he never saw a gun. they were never told that he had any kind of weapon that could be dangerous to them. at best, they were told that earlier that a person, and not ev certain if it's that person, might ve beenakin bre into windows. there was no corroborating evidence that he, in fact, was doing that, or that he had any type of serious weapon. >> this issue has, of course, drawn a lot of national attention. there are protests nationwide.
when sarah huckabee sanders at the white house was asked, she said the president felt it was the local issue. you said earlier it is not a local issue. in what way? >> there are local aspects to it. local criminal justice officials will adjudicate it at the local level, but it's clearly a national phenomenon. it's not a worsening national f phenomenon, but we're becoming conscious at the unnecessary fatalities at the hands of police officers at the evidence of body worn cameras or bystanders. this is a national problem in the fact people are shot every year. i'm not going to say whether it's too high or low, but it's clear there are racial disparities among those unarped. >> i was going to say i had at least three shootings i'm looking at right now where a person, an african american male was shot in the back.
in different cities. and not sacramento. i had a case in sacramento a couple years ago. it does happen. i don't see this as an isolated event. i see it as a mind set that officers in who n these areas. we talk about implicit, racial bias. that's engrained within a mental state. too quick to shoot. that's what i see. you didn't have to do. you were in a position of safety. and what officers are taught is how to deescalate a situation. advise who you are. let them know who you are. you have time, distance and space. and plus when the person turned his back, did you not see it? those are the questions we have to deal with. >> and those are the questions for the community of sacramento. katie, you've been following this story all along, and the sacramento police department is now investigating. the state attorney general's office is overseeing the probe. is there any sense that that
gives sacramento residents any more confidence in the area? what is the mood like in the city? >> i've heard mixed things. some people say they are confident that this can be a turning point for the city. there's a lot of hope, because the police chief is relatively new. he's been in his job for seven months. but he is african american. he grew up in sacramento. the point was made that he had a job in a relatively affluent suburb north of here, roseville, and he came back to sacramento. so there are people who see that as a good sign. also he voluntarily asked the attorney general to oversee the investigation. but i did speak to some women who knew stephon clark's grandmother. they're known her for 40 years. they said why would things change now? they recalled an experience 30 years ago when an african american was walking through a field and was shot by police.
they did not hold out much hope. i think it is depending on who you talk to, there are post sides being represented. but the community has been active. as you mentioned, coming out with protests, and really pushing for some substantial changes to the police force in sacramento so this doesn't happen again. >> i have worked with the sacramento police department and trying to bring about change. i had a couple cases. i'll tell you the police chief as well as members of his staff and the mayor's office are equally interested in bringing about social reform to the department and to the community. so this presents an opportunity for not only community and the police to kind of work together. you need someone on the community side who understands what policing is about. so they can effectively put forth ideas that the police department can appreciate and, therefore, you can reach an accord. i've done that. i know they're available to do it, but you have to work at it and have people who are willing to take the te to work through
the issues. >> one of the ideas that's ken off across the country is the idea of implicit bias training and workshops. does it work? >> as far as we can tell, there's no evidence training has effect on performance. i think implicit bias is real and i think it plays a role in the problems. i think very likely in this case the misperception of the object in his hand was due to an implicit association between race and weapons. that's been well demonstrated and carefully researched. what we can do about it is an entirely different question. >> what can we do about it? >> i think the training has to be focussed on preventing the problems. as john was saying, there are ways to deescalate. you take time, distance and cover so officers are not in a foot pursuit that's likely to lead to deadly force, or nondeadly force. there's a broader problem than
deadly force. there's nondeadly force that's also racially desperate and at levels that are not necessary, and then there are even more seemingly mundane but nevertheless harmful things like stop and search and frisk and arrest for minor offenses. >> this is a broader problem. the vast majority of the policing that needs to work is day in day out conduct. because that's what people are stopped. that's where cars are searched. there are people being treated disrespectfully. you can make a difference there. in terms of everyday communications and stopping. i don't know that implicit training helps on the shooting. that's the officer's perception of the danger. a lot of work can be done. i don't think it's something we should throw our hands up and say it can not be looked at. >> there's plenty that can be done. >> i'm sure we'll be hearing more. the family is now filing a federal lawsuit as well. i want to thank you for your
time. the professor, the attorney, and also our own correspondent in sacramento. thank you all. turning now to tech, yesterday president trump attacked amazon in a tweet saying the company doesn't pay enough taxes and is harming the u.s. economy. this comes amid a rough week for thtech setor. tesla issued a major recall. joining me now with more is tech editor jeremy owens. nice to have you back. >> thank you for having me. >>. >> president trump saying amazon pays little or no taxes to state and local government and has hurt the economy. is that true? >> not really when we looked at the effective tax rates in advance of the new tax law, amazon had an effective tax rate of more than 40%. we go back further we now have a calculator online where you look
at a company's s&p, amazon is at 40 %. higher than its sector and for the s&p overcall. not much. the average is about 30%. >> amazon is collecting taxes in the 45 states with sales tack. >> yes. the real question is third party sellers on the amazon platform. are they collecting enough sales tax from what they're doing, and is that on them or the small businesses selling on their platform. amazon said we'd like a federal law. that would make this the same across all states and make it easier to deal with this problem. but that law hasn't been passed. in fact, the law that passed cut tax rates for corporations. >> why do you think amazon is caught in the president's cross hairs right now? >> you'd have to ask him. obviously the ceo of amazon owned "the washington post." >> jeff bezos. >> trump has not had a great
relationship since he's become president. they're popular right now. a lot of people are talking about amazon. it could be him calling out a popular figure so he can get more publicity and look at that. >> any chance he's trying to protect his friends with businesses who feel they're hurt by amazon? >> it's possible. i mean, trying to figure out what trump is doing is always an exercise in futility. but, yeah, it seems like there are a lot of potential reasons for him. the reasons he stated which was they're hurting the post office and they're not paying taxes, don't seem to really be that true. >> all right. let's move onto tesla. this week tesla recalled more than 100,000 model s sedans made before april 2016. this is because it needs to replace bolts that hold power steering motors in place. they can become co-roaded and break. what are some of the other troubles the company is faces? >> it's been a rough week for tesla. there were e-mails that leaked
showing they were doing everything they could to ramp up production to meet production rate that they promised to do this quarter, and they're already way behind on what they promised to do previously. they had to pull them down. >> that's for the model three. they're pulling people off of model f and x lines to come over and try to produce more model threes by tend of the quarter. they had a ruling against it in their shareholder lawsuit. it's just a lot of stuff happening for tesla which was capped off by the recall which brings more of their production into focus yet again. >> and moodies downgraded the credit rating. it's leading to questions about whether will the company have enough company to stay throughout the year? >> it doesn't have enough money, elon can ask for more money.
he's gone to shareholders, sold bonds. the downgrade is focussed on the bonds which have not been trading well. with tesla acquiring solar city, they were in debt. the debt load is large. it will be interesting to see if he'll have to especially as he couldn'ts to ramp up production, but that's kind of where ramping up the production, if he can get the model threes out and get more money in, that will help balance a little bit. >> okay. got to talk about facebook. still in the headlines this week. the company announce third down week it's going to roll out features and giveusers more control over how their information is shared. will is be enough to appease the anger and anxiety among users and regulators? >> it depends on what users are talking about. facebook has done this before when it's had privacy issues. we have a new dashboard. s the easier for people to see who has access and their privacy settings. this is another new product. right? and so we'll have to see if that actually does -- if it makes
users feel better to see that, i'm sure facebook is going to push it hard to get people to go in and see who has access, what their privacy settings are. facebook did indicate that zuckerberg would testify in front of congress, but they are just nibbling around the edges autotheir data privacy things. they got rid of third party data. they were giving the advertisers other things. >> much to keep track of. thank for joining us, jeremy, with market watch. >> thank you. next week marks the start of the sf film festival in the 61st year. it promises a powerful lineup of films and documentaries from around the world and the bay area. an oakland native studied film at san francisco state university. the director debut takes on race, humor and telemarketing. >> i just really need a job.
>> this is telemarketing. >> stick to the script. >> hello? >> mr. davidson. sorry to -- >> i'm going to give you a tip. you want to make money here? use your white voice y white voice? >> i'm not talking about will ith white. like this guy. >> hi, mr. kramer -- [ dial tone noti] . >> joining me now are the executive director and musician. great to have you both here. i love that greeting. well, the main character in the movie is an african american telemarketer who skyrockets to success after he uses his white voice. how would you define this movie? >> it's an absurdist dark comedy with magical realism and it's
called sorry to bother you. >> you were a telemarketer at one point? >> a couple of different points. >> how much of that experience is in this movie? >> i think that's the jumping off for a lot of ideas. and it's not a auto biographical movie, but you use experiences from your life. >> and noah, why did you choose sorry to bother you as the centerpiece film? >> this guy to my right is the main one. he's been an incredibly important force in the cultural area. the city of oakland, and how it's developed and how we can talk about that in terms that are new and fresh and really expressive. this film was part of our film house, and film granting programs at sf film. and we couldn't be more proud
that something like sorry to bother you as come out of the programs. it speaks to the vibrancy and precisf wate'reion o trying to do here in making movesin the bay area. >> yeah. film house san francisco film society really sf film, made it possible to do this. because they not only gave the project money, but they gave me office space to sit and work. >> and you got into sun dance before this. congratulations on that. >> yes. >> but i also want to talk more about how the film was made. you're from oakland. the film is set in oakland. the hero in the film is often torn between two worlds, needing to sound white for the job but act black, wanting to make money but stay true to his friends and where he came from. how much of that resonates true with your life? >> well, i think that the sacrifices that we have to make in order to just survive is
something that resonates with everyone. the film is not just about that. the trailer actually doesn't reveal most of what the film is about. >> there are quite a few surprises in the film. don't want to spoil it. >> yeah. and -- but i think that in my life i'm always trying to figure out whether i'm doing the right thing or not. and i'm always constantly reassessing. so i think that's a, you know, very much a part of me in there. >> and noah, let's talk about the festival more broadly. you have said the festival wants to highlight bay area values and among them diversity, innovation, social justice. one of the films is a documentary about supreme court jui justice ruth bader againstbergi. >> she's become such an icon. >> do you mind? >> i am 84 years old and
everyone wants a picture with me. >> yeah. >> why did you choose that film? >> we're here. we've been talking about boots riley. another icon for people in san francisco in the area is ruth bader ginsburg. she's been a light during a dark political time right now. and this is one of those standup and shout and cheer documentaries. it makes you feel like it's going to be better in the end. i think whenwe play this film uring the festival, you'll see a real comfort for a lot of people, but i think also you'll see a lot of people standing up and cheering for this incredible woman. >> and something new you're doing this year is hosting discussions around certain films. for example, the cleaners. it's about who decides what we see online. let's look at a clip from that as well. >> facebook has a bigger population than any state in the world. and so when it sensors, it's in some ways as powerful as a
state. >> ignore it. ignore. ignore. >> if i didn't have social media, i wouldn't be able to get the word out. i probably wouldn't be standing here. right? i probably wouldn't be standing here. >> mark zuckerberg is now the front page editor for every newspaper in the world, effectively. >> so you're partnering with the electronic frontier foundation for discussion about this movie. what are you hoping to accomplish through that? >> i think what we're trying to do with sf film in general, because we're supporting film makers and we engage in educational programs. we're trying to channel what we call bay area values in the work we're doing. one of the most important things we can do here in the bay area is talk about technology its impact and how it's changed our society. without revealing any spoilers, one of the key aspects of sorry to bother you is an extremely sophisticated critique of how the venture capitalism and
technology has actually really altered how we view morality. i think what's been going on with facebook over the last couple of weeks reinforced we need to pay attention to this. the cleaners is a film that talks about this kind of farm of people in the philippines that scrubs the internet. and so it goes through and finds porn graphic images or offensive speech, and these people who live in a very different culture than what we have in the united states are sort of subjected to the worst of american capitalism in a way. what's great about the electronic frontier foundation is we have these incredibly interesting partners who can actually talk about the larger context around these technology concerns. >> it's a complex issue. >> complex issues. >> how to balance privacy with freedom of speech. >> it's huge. we began working with them on an amazing documentary citizen 4
about edward snowden. and we've been engaging them on a fairly regular basis to come back as guests of ours to actually continue to illuminate us in the bay area. and kind of allow us to be leaders in this kind of critique of what's going on in the technology industry. >> okay. and boots quickly, any more movies for you after the first film? >> yeah. i'm starting to write stuff now. >> all right. >> yeah. this is just an expansion of g.erything i've already been do >> we lookforwa to seeing your next work, and sf film festival running from april 4th th to the 17th. >> is there more of this vodka? >> whisky is up next, but thank you for enjoying the vodka. >> that's it? >> that's it. thank you very much. we'll send some home with you after the interview. that'll do it for us. you can find more of your coverage online. thank you for joining us.
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