tv Democracy Now Special LINKTV November 9, 2016 4:00pm-5:01pm PST
introduce to you the president-elect of the united states of america, donald trump. amy: in one of the most shocking upsets in u.s. history, donald trump has defeated hillary clinton. mr. trump: now it is time for america to bind the words of division -- have to get together -- every democrat, republican, independent across this nation, i say it is time for us to come together as one united people. [applause] mr. trump: it is time. amy: from the first african-american president, to one supported by the ku klux klan -- donald trump has been elected president of the net states. he has vowed to build a wall between the u.s. and mexico, and
the house and senate will be in his hands. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org -- war, peace, and the presidency. i'm amy goodman. donald j. trump was elected 45th president of the united states on tuesday, defeating hillary rodham clinton in a stunning upset that revererberated around the world. trump carried at least 279 electoral college votes to clinton's 218, although trump appears to have narrowly lost the popular vote. around 2:50 a.m. eastern time, donald trump took the stage at a new york city victory party, saying he had received a phone call by hillary clinton congratulating him on his victory. mr. trump: to all republicans, democrats, and independents across this nation, i say it is time for us to come together as one united people. [applause] mr. trump: it is time.
[applause] mr. trump: i pledge to every citizen of our land that i will be president for all americans, and this is so important to me. chosen not tohave support me, in the past, of which there were a few people, i am reaching out to you for your guidance and your help so that we can work together and unify our great country. kidded the twot most unpopular candidate seemed with thes. history majority of americans viewing both trump and clinton unfavorably. heldd trump has never elective office, opened his campaign with a speech calling mexican immigrants criminals and rapists. donald trump has proposed banning all muslims from entering the united states. he openly mocked his opponents,
reporters, asians, african americans and the disabled. more than a dozen women have accused trump of sexual assault, and he heard in a 2005 videotape boasting about sexually assaulting women. throughout the campaign, trump drew the enthusiastic support of white nationalists and hate groups. former kkk grand wizard david duke, who ran unsuccessfully for a u.s. senate seat in louisiana, cheered the outcome of the election. duke tweeted -- "this is one of the most exciting nights of my life. make no mistake about it, our people have played a huge role in electing trump. hashtag "make america great again" news of trump's victory left supporters of hillary clinton stunned and shaken -- a crowd of thousands, a majority of them women, gathered under the glass ceiling of the j jacob javits center in nenew york where celebration turned to despair as it appeared clinton headed for
defeat. as we broadcast this, hillary clinton is scheduled to speak from new york city at 10:30 a.m. eastern time. it will be clinton''s first publblic appearance since conceding the race to donald trump in a phone call. meanwhile, republicans captured both the house and the senate, positioning their party to control all three branches of the government. democrats will gain a senate seat, but will fall short of the 51 seats needed to overcome vice president-elect mike pence high-breaking power. in the house, republicans will hold a c comfortable majority, with at least 236 of the chamber's 435 seats. the congressional sweep makes it likely that donald trump will appoint a conservative to the supreme court post left vacant since antonin scalia died in february. republicans have refused to consider obama's pick for the high court, merrick garland, and will likely ignore his nomination until trump names his dish makes his own pick during the next congress.
markets in the u.s. and around the world plunged overnight as trump's victory became imminent, with the s&p dropping by 5% to its limit down, the maximum drop allowed before trading curbs kick in. many stock indices recovered after trump's victory speech.. the mexican peso fell 11% to an all-time low, before recovering some ground. tuesday's election was the first and half of a century to take place without the full protection of the voting rights act. the leadership conference for civil rights says voters had 868 fewer polling locations. in key battleground states, many spent hours in line, while others gave up and left the polls. there were hours long lines in parts of new york city as well, where donald trump was booed as he entered public school 59 in midtown manhattan to cast his ballot.
turnout was down among african american voters in key battleground states where federal lawsuits have challenged voter id laws which civil rights communities say are targeting and communities of color. in north carolina, which trump narrowly won tuesday, a federal court found in august that state republicans intentionally made it more difficult for african americans to vote. and last week, u.s. district judge loretta biggs slammed a north carolina voter purge as insane, saying -- "it almost looks like a cattle call, the way people are being purged." in wisconsin, republican paul ryan easily reclaimed his house seat tuesday. ryan says he is confident he'll retain his leadership role as speaker of the house. speaker ryayan: i haveve just bn sitttting there watchining the polls. by some accounts, this could be a really good night for america. this could be a good night for us. amy: some republican congress members say they'll seek to replace ryan as house speaker,
after ryan repeatedly condemned donald trump's remarks on the campaign trail. despite the criticisms, ryan never dropped his endorsement of trump. in gubernatorial races, democrats and republicans appear to have evenly split the 12 governor's seats up for election. in north carolina, republican governor pat mccrory is demanding a recount, after an initial tally showed him trailing democratic challenger roy cooper by fewer than 5000 votes. in ballot measures, 69% of anti-unionoved an measure to make alabama a right .o work state maine, andolorado, increase the to minimum-wage. in colorado, voters have rejected a measure to create a single-payer health insurance system. nebraska has voted to restore the death penalty, while in oklahoma, voters have approved a measure that amends the state
constitution to guarantee the right to impose death penalty. in california, there were two death penalty ballot measures. a ballot measure to overturn capital punishment is trailing, while another measure to speed up the pace of executions is winning by a narrow margin. voters in california, massachusetts, and nevada voted , to legalize the recreational use of marijuana, while north dakota, arkansas, and florida approved medical marijuana initiatives. in arizona, maricopa county sheriff joe arpaio lost his bid for a seventh term. he faces the possibility of jail charging him with criminal contempt of court over his refusal to end unconstitutional immigration patrols in arizona.
findings were presented in marrakesh, morocco, where united nations climate talks got underway this week. the report found human-induced climate change was directly linked to extreme events, including typhoon haiyan which killed 7,800 people in the philippines in 2013. -- of the world meteorological organization should prompt harm. >> the rates of ice melting, temperature increases -- it is a serious matter, and you know, when you take off your scientist head, and you look at it, it is very concerning. as we alrlready s said, the pars agreement is a hugely important step, and now what happens next is going to be even more important. amy: many delegates to the u.n.
talks are expressing panic over the election of donald trump, saying the outcome threatens the future of any international has vowed which trump to withdraw from. trump has also promised to promote coal power and fracking and promised to ask transcanada to renew its permit application for the keystone xl pipeline. democracy now will be broadcasting from the summit next week. the companyota, building the dakota access pipeline says it has is preparing to drill beneath lake oahe on the missouri river within two weeks, even though army corps of engineers has not the u.s. granted a permit. the announcement shocked and infuriated opponents of the $3.8 billion pipeline, which has faced months of resistance from the standing rock sioux tribe, along with representatives of over 200 other indigenous tribes and non-native allies. opponents, who call themselves "water protectors" say they were
promised by an army corps of engineers official that the dakota access pipeline would be delayed by at least 30 days, should the obama administration agree to a permit. but energy transfer partners said tuesday the army corps was mistaken when it said the company had agreed to slow construction. the announcement came one week after president obama said the army of corps was looking at a possible rerouting of the pipeline. and in puerto rico, activists took to the streetets for an election day protest against a federally appointed oversight control board with sweeping powers to run puerto rico's economy. jocelyn velazquez of the promises are over movement helpeded organize the protesest. ms. . velazquez:z: tododay we celebrate e the electitions of puerto ricico, but it is a futie exerercise -- a a control boardl the dedecisions ababout our fut. it w was indispepensable to o te
this to the e national l level d international level, too. in puertrto rico, ththere is no democracy, and no participation. the electoral exercises a pantomime of what a democracy is. amy: on tuesday, puerto ricans elected ricardo rossello of the new progressive party. rossello, is a conservative who strongly favors u.s. statehood for puerto rico. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. this is war, peace, and the presidency. i'm amy goodman. donald j. trump was elected 45th president of the united states on tuesday, defeating hillary rodham clinton in a stunning upset that reverberated around the world. trump carried at least 279 electoral college votes to clinton's 218, although trump is losing in the popular vote. around 2:50 a.m., trump took the stage at a new york city victory party. mr. trump: working together, we will begin the urgent task of building our nation and renewing
the american dream. i have spent my entire life in business looking at the untapped potential in projects and in people all over the world. that is now what i want to do for our country. [applause] mr. trump: tremendous potential. i have gotten to know our country so well. tremendous potential. it is going to be a beautiful thing. every single american will have the opportunity to realize his or her fullest potential. the forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer. [applause] are going to fix and rebuild our highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, schools, hospitals -- we are going to rebuild our infrastructure, which will
become, by the way, second to none. and we will put millions of our people to work as we rebuild it. finally, take care of our great veterans. [applause] mr. trump: who have been so loyal -- and i have gotten to know so many over this 18-month journey. the time i have spent with them during this campaign has been among my greatest honors. our veterans are incredible people. we will embark upon a project of national growth and renewal. i will harness the creative talents of our people, and we will call upon the best and brightest to leverage their tremendous talent for the benefit of all. it is going to happen. [applause] greatump: we have a
economic plan. we will double our growth and have the strongest economy anywhere in the world. at the same time, we will get along with all other nations willing to get along with us. we will have great relationships. we expect to have great, great relationships. no dream is too big. no challenges to great. nothing we want for our future is beyond our reach. america will no longer settle for anything less than the best. [applause] mr. trump: we must reclaim our country's destiny, and dream big, bold, and daring. we have to do o that. we are going to dream of things for our country -- and beautiful things, and successful things once again. i want to tell the world community, that why we -- while we will always put america's interests first, we will deal
fairly with everyone -- with everyone -- all people, and all other nations. we will seek common ground, not hostilility, partnership,p, not conflict. amy: thahat was donaldld trump's victory speech. it was about 2:15 a.m. you might have heard during the speech, someone chanted "kill obama." as people were waiting, many of the chants were "lock her up," of course, referring to hillary clinton, a chant that has become common on the campmpaign trail, and donald trump himseself saidf he were elected president, he would jail hillary clinton. we are joined d by john nichols, political writer for "the sarsour, thea director of an power change, and the cofounder of the muslim --
of new york. -- famously came out of the shadows in "new york times magazine" with "my life as an undocumented immigrant. fong, investigative journalists and just journalist at "the intercept." turn to you -- you recently tweeted "bernie turneded out rural voters." talk about the significance of that -- in l light of what tookk placee in the early hours of today and election day yesterday. ng: amy, think is a much
for having me. if we look at the electorate -- if you talk to almost any reporter that has traveled around the country, attended rallies for bernie, hillary, trump, talk to voters, we have incredible economic anxiety in this country. we have had the last six years of basic political stagnation because of republican n objectin in congress -- that have not been any big reforms. we have not seen action on prosecuting wall street. we have not -- the folks who detonated the economic system in 2008 were never brought to justice. there is this lingering anger across the country as jobs have been shipped overseas, as we have seen the fortunes of the wealthy sky, while ordinary incomes of regular americans have stagnated, or in many places are in decline, and there is this visceral demand that
somebody, whether it is a republican or a democrat, needs to stand up and fight for these voters, to stand up to wall street, stand up to k street -- the lobbying apparatus that controls the sea and the major parties. clinton, whoto see embodies the political establishment, the business establishment, in this country, as a credible change agent. bernie sanders message -- you know, i talked to voters all across the country, many first-time voters, first-time activists, who were inspired by his message. to who spentidate the last three quadrant decades in political life fighting against neoliberal policies, leading the fight against nafta, leading the fight against the transpacific partnership, demanding accountability for wall street, and on the other side, you had clinton, who made
tens of millions of dollars giving private speeches to banks like morgan stanley and goldman both --ho is them assembled a political machine funded by the same interests that have drained the midwest of jobs by shipping industrial facilities and those jobs overseas. so, the contrast was incredibly sharp, and if you look at the turnout numbers national polling in michigan had clinton up by 26%, i believe, in the week before the michigan democratic primary, but those polls were wrong, and bernie won, by, i believe, 5%, because of his message -- standing up to the elites, fighting for working class voters, resonated in the areas hardest hit by the economic changes we have seeeen over the last 20 years. amy: this is very interesting, linda sarsour, as a bernie
support yourself, because there was so much pressure from clinton supporters not to take away from hillary clinton so that donald trump would take office, as he has, but in some ways, has this proven the opposite, that is bernie sanders were supported -- that is bernie sanders were supporteded, he had much more chance of defeating donald trump considering who he drew from? carearsour: amy, i do not what anybody says, is bernie sanders what have won the election -- would have been the nominee, we would have won the election. michigan gave bernie sanders the biggest political upset in history. who gave him the win -- it was muslims in dearborn. was time around, hillary not helping me -- i will be honest. i went around the country talking and anti-trump message, but i could not support her
--the democratic party. amy: you are talking about dearborn because it is the largest muslim community in the entire united states. mr. sarsour: what i want to say is this is a time for soul-searching for the democratic party -- they left young people in the cold, call this naive, idealistic, left muslims in the cold. anytime hillary clinton mentioned is, she said we were eyes and ears -- talked about us but a lawo o other way enforcement tool. i am outraged not just that donald trump is the president but the people that will put blame on black people, immigrants, latinos voted more for trump than mitt romney -- the blame i want to put here is how the democratic party because they put us in a situation. amy: nikole hannah-jones, you tweeted last night it was dishonest for the media to say about -- say this with about working-class anger. he said the black working-class
suffered far more than what americans, and did not go for trump. ms. hannah-jones: that is the narrative media has been using to comfort itself over the last month of this campaign, this is a problem of the backwards, racist white america that is not presented to evolve white americans overall. we know that is not true. we know that at least with early numbers, he was winning across the board -- yes, he won a very high percentage of the white working class vote, but if this were about economic anxiety ---- who hahas morenumbers, he was ws the board economic anxiety than black americans -- 12% unemployment rates, who have been hurt by these policies more than any other group? name the statistic, black americans are at the bottom of the statistics. they did not vote for truck it latinos did not vote for trouble. asian-americans did not vote for trump. this is the message we need to tell ourselves. i think we were ignoring the extent of racial anxiety --
racial fear that was across the board in this country, and we do that to our peril. i would like to say -- i do not know that bernie being the candidate would have made a difference, because what we also know is that i think this is the first election -- presidential election in 50 years without section two clearance of the voting rights act. we know that had an effect or we also know that trump was able to get much larger white turnout. i do not know w if that made a difference. partyhink the democraticc as an issue. outperformed mitt romney among latinos, african-americans -- i think it is reductionist to simply say that america is to racist. indiana, the white working class in counties all over this country. polling expert
from thehe new york timemes, not in white working-class this is where obama performed strongest saw the bigiggest drop-off in support going to trump. i think it is dangerous for democrats to simply say america is to racist or sexistst to support prorogressive policicier democrats - -- there i is a lote at stake. obviously, trump used racacial d ethnic appeals, but look at his closing ads. look at how he'd established himself from the rest of the republican field. it was through economic policies. it was -- he was the only republican c campaigning for the presidency t that said he wowoud protecect social securityy and medidicare while democrats have been calling for cuts, every republican has been calling for cuts. he has thrown out the traditional publican and democrat playbook, and said i want to renegotiate nafta -- i want to destroy and rip up these
free trade deals that have devastated working-class america. so, obviously, identity issues played a part here, but it is very dangerous to simply say that america is to racist or sexist. trump actually performed considerably well given the context of this race among racial and ethnic minorities. nicole? ms. hannah-jones: i do not know who said racism was the only reason for this, but we know there was voter repression. -- suppression. we know this is the first presidential election -- when obama won in 2012, he won with a minority of the white vote, and in 2008 also won with a minority of the white vote. we also had clearance of the voting rights act. we cannot deny that, and the fact that trump was able to bring out major --larger white turnout. amy: we have to go to break and
media's role in helping d donald trump when this outstanding upset. i want to turn to cbs ceo les moaned as. he was speaking at a conference in san francisco earlier this year. ves: who would have thought this service would come to town -- it might not be good for america, but it is good for cbs. what can i say -- the money is rolling in, and this is fun. i have never seen anything like this. this is going to be a very good year for us. [laughter] sorry, it is a terrible thing to say, that bring it on, now. go ahead. keep going. a,: it may not be good for but it is dam good for cbs, bring it on, donald. -- lee fang, you first publish
this audio. jeff zucker said if wewe made a mimistake we should not have put on as many trump rallies as we did. your comments. mr. fang: we have been looking at these reports for media companies, and it is not just moonves, the owners of local broadcast stations have been bragging they are excited for the election year because all of the super pack adds they benefit a very small clique of media owners. larger roleat the of broadcast media, there was a study done that if you look at the large media networks -- abc, cbs, nbc -- they provided 350 minutes of airtime to donald trump in 2015, and less than one to coveragec news on bernie sanders. across the board, local tv or cable news, they treated the
entire election season is a carnival, a chance for tabloid politics, rather than talking about the vital issues, or the political biographies, and the policy issues. they take whatever donald trump has tweeted, whatever insult he hurled, and treated it as a story, and rather than paying for reporters to go out and report the truth, and talk to voters, or do investigative reporting, they have pundits -- many of them compromise -- many of the pundits we have seen go on television were quietly or secretly working for one of the campaigns. they have pundits go on tv and yell at each other, and turn this into a food fight rather than it substantive discussion of the issues. amy: i want to bring john nichols into the discussion about the media, and jose antonio vargas -- the koch brothers, who did not support donald trump, ended up pouring their billions into down-ballot
races, and that fill the coffers of local media. mr. nichols: five years ago we wrote a book, and what we argued there -- in the book we wrote the same basic concept -- major media in this country has hit its biggest crisis in history. it's crisis is that advertising revenue moves through the phone. it does not have to go through. they still get advertising revenue, but they are dramatically relying on political ads, targeted toward older people who tend to still watch television. as this has happened, they have cut reporting staffs. we actually documented -- there are television stations that have cut into local newscasts, cut into it to fit more campaign ads around it. understand the circumstance we have created. it is not a complicated thing. we have created a circumstance
in america where news -- actual reporting -- as flawed as it may be on our politics -- is diminished, there is less of it, it is not done well, and at the same time, we have a massive inflow of money in these campaign ads. we have dialed down journalism and we have dialed up campaign cash. now, in this year -- this is a critical element of it. we saw cable news -- it was out there, hopefully, to provide more depth go into these issues -- we saw cable news seed any responsibility. they did our-long infomercials, running speeches for the whole hour, and then you came on, with instead of lee, or anyone on this panel coming in -- they had surrogates for the campaigns do which notes in surrogates had a responsibility not to acknowledge the truth.
their responsibility was to say my candidate did a good job, even if the candidate fell off the stage. amy: they spent more time showing the empty podium waiting for donald trump than they played anything to do with bernie sanders. leenichols: coming off what said -- he said it was 340 to , but it was actually 34 -- 241 to on nbc, and roughly were pulling at the same place, though donald trump was getting a 241 to ratio more coverage. this defines reality. -- josee antonio varargas antonio vargas. to me, this express is broken -- it is useless.
i am going to unsubscribe to politico. they'd met today they do not know anything. -- t they admitted today they do not know anything. your point about the inability of journalists to cover race -- i have been a journalist since the lalate-19 90's. there are less people of color working in american newsrooms now than there was when i started in the 1990's. journalists are human beings, too, and guess what -- we do not like to talk about race. white journalists do not like to talk about racace. things like the working class -- i will conceptualizize that -- s an undocumented immigrant that happens to be a journalist, reporting like it is my religion, it has been infuriating to see the media talk about immigration in such factless >> of contest -- lack
of context. the moment donald trump talk about mexicans to rate this, why didn't anybody say there are less people from mexico going to the net it states than the u.s. going to mexico. why are peoeople saying the fastest-growing minority are asian people, not latinos? why do we talk -- not talk about the fact that undocumented workers have paid $100 billion into the social security fund. we cannot get that. why isn't any of this part of the report when the issue comes up? you go to define america.com/facts matter. that is where you go. amy: linda sarsour. mr. sarsour: of course race is rour: racely -- ms. sa is not the only factor, but this
is about national security -- we have over two thirds of america's a supported a ban on muslims, which was unconstitutional. let's be real here. we were playing on people's fears of muslims in this country, and until everyone got all rights -- it was when a orte woman -- we saw a video heard a recording of donald trump speaking in an appropriate faction -- fashion -- even their publican party was like not our daughters, not our mothers, but nobody said anything when he said mexicans were rapists, black people thugs, and we want to survey of muslims, control mosques -- national security was a big factor, and they played on the fear of the american people when it comes to u.s. national security. amy: john nichols. sangichols: why were we the first mosque i america was in north dakota, in a small town, in a rural area. amy: you come from earl
wisconsin. mr. nichols: -- numeral wisconsin. media system,s a we did not even try to clarify basic history -- not of the moment, but the basic history of this country, and what happens to muslim americans is a big deal in this campaign -- not a massive popupulation, but a population so demonized. amy: it is actually, a massive population. ms. sarsour: at least 5 million. one thing that clarified, one. one/.lims are african -- of muslims are african-american. this played amade role in making islam a foreign entity. we talk about islam in the context of terrorism only. you know this -- what you think about a terrorist attack -- nobody brought me on to talk
about anything other than me defending my faith a national television. the media played a role. free ade donald trump space. he did not have to raise a penny and here we are in the situation we are in. a piece fang, you wrote "donald trump recruits corporate lobbyists to select his future administration." can you explain who has recruited -- who he has recruited? mr. fang: governor chris christie is leading the transition effort ---- amy: and justst to say, of cour, chris christie's to top aides were finally convicted on all accounts -- all counts on bridge gate, the closing of the george washington b bridge to retaliate against a mayor r for not endorsing chris christie for governor. mr. fang: i s should add the rereporters that help p to break ththat story were jujust laid of last week come a talking about the complete destruction of hard
reporting in this country. looking at the transition effort, donald trump constructed a very convenient, very seductive political image of spending the last two years promising that hehe would reject lobbyist donations -- that he would reject the support of supertex, drain the swap and take on the political establishment. he said that from the beginning, and is closing at last weekend -- he promised that his main goal would be to take on the political establishment and fight lobbyists, but if you look at his transition team, it is a massive effort run completely by folks thatobbyists, represent the pharmaceutical industry, walt disney -- the energy advisor who is setting the donald trump energy policy, select appointees for the epa and other agencies is a coke industries lobbyist. these are folks deeply ingrained in the washington establishment.
they have been having weekly meetings at the law firm baker hosler, weekly meetings with the roundtable, a trade association that represents jpmorgan, goldman sachs, and other large banks. there is a lot of evidence suggests that rather than drain the political swap in washington, donald trump is merging into the orthodox republican campaign and power establishment that have defined the republican party for decades. amy: we will break and come back to this discussion. that is lee fang of "the intercept.' we will link to that these pit we're also talking to nikole antonioones,jose vargas, linda sarsour, and john nichols. this is democracy now. we will be right back.
this is democracy now, maxing out at oregon, war, peace, and the present -- democracy now.org, work, peace, and the presence of it according to "the new york times," donald trump junior called john kasich asking if the governor want to be the most powerful vice president in history, and promising john kasich would be in charge e of both domestic and foreign policy. this was over the summer, before the republican national convention. donald trump's son reportedly said his father's role as president would be simply making america great again. well, john kasich says he turned the offer down, that we will turn to ththe man who accepted e offer. he is the person who introduced
donald trump last night at his victory party. the americane: people have spoken, and the american people have elected their new champion. so, let me say it is my high honor and distinct privilege to introduce to you the president-elect of the united states of america, donald trump. [applause] and that was the vice president-elect, the current governor of indiana, mike pence. nation,"ols of "the tell us who he is, and i put that togetether with john kasish because it suggests what kind of role mike pence might play. mr. nichols: we do not know because i really think -- genuinely think trump is just now read in head around the presidency. let's understanand mike pence --
he is the antithesis of everything donald trump said he is about -- he has run dozens of times in general elections. he got beat, came back. this is a real political got. he was, for years, a talk radio host -- a right wing talk radio host funded and helped that many of the networks set up by the koch brothers. he, as governor -- understand that -- now as governor, this anti-, -- viscerally lgbtq, aggressively in the front of that, aggressively anti-labor. aggressively right wing on his budgeting to such an extent the roads in indiana are a disaster. he was losing his election campaign in indiana. now he has popped up. >> antiwar in. mr. nichols: -- anti--woman. mr. nichols: i am sorry.
i was just doing the shorthand. you could go on for days. this i is the important thing -- why is he coming on as the vice president? he was brought on to comfort the extreme right -- the sococial extreme right, and the corporate right. these are the two groups he has fourintimately involved in decades. his role is to take the republican platform, which i am not sure donald trump has read -- the but the most right wing in history, which is very detailed, and to implement that. he has worked closely with paul ryan -- he was a member of the house. he has worked closely with mitch mcconnell and other key players there are he will be the point man, and i want to one you about something - -- i do notot know w to say this, but there may be moments where donald trump is the reasonable man in the room. talk about mike pence and
the legislation he signed on -- signed off on, amidst opposition, even from the corporate community taking out hundreds of millions of dollars -- the sports community, the anti-gay legislation. mr. nichols: we had this as marriage equality has come online -- we have had this argument that somehow christians serve peoplent to who are gays and lesbians getting married, that somehow they are being discriminated against, and pence moved through a law that in almost every serve said that is cool -- you go for that. it was not even you have an exemption -- this was an aggressive piece of legislation. it caused a massive outcry from some of the more conservative --porate people in america many of whom are in indiana, a right to work state, and they said this is too much. pence himself was forced to back off to some extent. amy: -- many of whom are in indiana, a after some tremendous
pressure that at the beginning he was going to bear because of his beliefs. mr. nichols: he was aggressive on this, but i want to let the size -- that got the publicity, but if you were in indiana, the next week it was something else. this guy, in his aggressive assault on public employees, public education, public services -- what we talk about with paul ryan, and what we find -- some of us find d deeply unsettling -- paul ryan'ss close relationship with wall street. amy: he comes from your state, wisconsin. mr. nichols: indeed -- his close widget with wall street, a privatization agenda, mike pence is the embodiment of that, and to the extent that donald trump is off doing whatever unsettling thing he is doing, leavining mie pence to do domestic policy -- that is scary. last month, nermeen shaikh -- spoke to catherine frankie.
she spoke about govevernor mike once and his record reproductive rights and planned parenthood >> as governor, he cut all of the funding in the state of indiana, and it resulted in the closing of all of their clinics. what resulted from that -- since these clinics did reproductive rights work certainly, they also did hiv testing and counseling, and as a result of the closing of the planned parenthood clinics, the hiv infection rate skyrocketed in indiana, and this was all over the newews. the antiabortion crusade has a ripple effect much further out beyond the issue of abortion itself. :ermeen can you say --nermeen can yoyou say a little on tim kaine in context of positions he is takenen on the death penalty and abortion? >> it is interesting -- both of these candidates profess to be devout christians. mike pence, evangelical,
protestant, and tim kaine, a catholic. amy: mike pence said i am a christian, a conservative, it are republican, in that order. >> in that order, that is right. what we see with these candidates are two faces of christianity in this country -- one with mike pence where christianity is being weaponize as a way to justify a range of discrimination, small-minded, mean, xenophobia phobic thinking, and in the case of tim kaine, a different kind of christianity -- what i would call a more catholic way of thinking face and thinking of brotherly love, if you will -- a christianity of compassion, care, responsibility to those that are the weakest. you may remember that when he was in law school he left for a year and went to honduras to do volunteer work there. of of my students -- if one my students said they would like to do that at columbia, i would
welcome it, but i think tim kaine catholicism runs deep to him out of a sense of responsibility and public service. what i see in mike's -- mike pence is away in religion passes as a justification for thinking the world in old-fashioned ways , butnever existed before narrow-minded ways, and often hateful ways. it is a contrast between the two . now, tim kaine said in his own personal faith he is opposed to abortion and he is also opposed to the death penalty, but he says as an elected official, his obligation is to abide by the law and the constitution. i do not see that from mike pence. amy: that is captain frankie. linda sarsour. ms. sarsour: i wanted to bring to light as a person of faith, someone unapologetically muslim and connected to faith, faith played a role in this -- and i do not think donald trump knows anything about god or who god
is, the people voting for him, huge protestant angelical speed for god sakes, jesus was a palestinian, jewish refugee -- he would not be proud of us right now. i'm a little bit hurt by people that have supposedly the moral higher ground -- they believe in jesus and what he stood for, and they put their vote on donald trump p a very s sick a contradiction there that is onset of. -- there is a contradiction there that is on -- unsettling. "9/11, a levinsohn/9 -- two days the world changed -- 11/9 -- two days that change the world. jose antonio, vargas. --mr. vargas: we are
meeting about this -- i cannot talk about black liveses matter- lgbtq writes -- it is imperative that we do that. we have been saying this is a -- an election about t defining wht america is, and i think we, proactively, need to do that now. thisi keep going back to clan comment from david duke, who lost the senate, but said it was the best day of his life, the best election because donald for all of them, he said, and what this means for safety, people in this country. ms. hannah-jones: i have been hearing from friends and people since last night, all this morning who are devastated, who are afraid, and i think when we look at what is going to happen
now when we have both houses of congress -- one of your viewers asked what happens with the voting rights act -- clearlrly nothing. you will have a supreme court that has a vacancy -- and will likely have one or two vacancies, and the ramifications of that for communities of color are going to be pretty devastating. on the one hand, where you see at a rally someone saying kill obama -- amy: not a rally -- ms. hannah-jones: right, at his victory celebration. one of the republican posters on cbs this morning who said trump want vengeance, and i think about that, and i think there is a lot of fear around the country, and a lot of devastation n that when i i wroa piece about whatat trump got right, which is that the democratic party has taken a black voters for granted -- what i have said is black voters, since we got the right to vote
had to be one-issue voters, and that was protecting basic citizenship rights. -- wek that is the fear will see a further erosion of that, and we might be entering the second midyear. --: what you mean question what do you mean? ms. hannah-jones: we have seen affirmative action on its dying rights, attacks on the voting redistricting, even in states where democrats are getting the popular vote, they cannot win. in houses of congress, we have seen the resegregation of american schoolsls, and now we e a supreme court that will solidify that retrenchment of rights. it is scary for a lot of people. we have not talked a lot about foreign policy, that i will suggest that if you look at the history of the country when we have moved into , thatening for an policy
is a moment where civil rights, civil liberties become even more assaulted, and donald trump, throughout the entire campaign has said things with regard to foreign policy, nuclear weapons that suggest a great likelihood that we could have a moment of that sort that jars and shares this -- shakes this s countryy n fundamental ways, and we bring it back home with h assault on civil rights, civil liberties. ms. hannah-jones: the press. mr. nichols: he does not like the press very much. i want to circle around and say we have to understand the genius of kimberly crenshaw when she spoke of intersection alley, and the reality is when we -- if we want to care about civil rights and civil liberties, we have to look at the people that we most threatened, most quickly, and rally around them because the moment is going to come when all the rights and liberties of that
letter, threatened. amy: again, donald trump, it looks like he won the electoral college, but not the popular vote, and interesting and pray 12 he tweeted the other -- in 2012 he tweeted the electoral college is a disaster for the democracy. mr. nichols: he was right about that. i'm a muslim american, and knowing what my committee has gone 2 -- 15 years after 9/11 it is worse than it was in the days and weeks after 9/11, and after donald trump became the president, an avid trap supporter here on facebook attack to women in brooklyn -- trump supporter here on facebook attacked two women in brooklyn. this is already happening. amy: i want to thank you for being a pair we will continue the discussion. we'll be doing tomorrow by the cofounder of 350.org.