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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. on the ground! >> no way to handle the situation in here if you don't fight. >> she got a broken eye socket. i put her in the infirmary for eight days. >> love that. >> i chased after a court officer. they said i hit one and kicked one and spit on him.
>> for those inmates all too willing to throw a punch -- the jail has a special place. >> the box. >> the box, huh. >> separated from everything. you learn to deal with it. it's called the box life. boston, massachusetts, is by any standard a world class city, but ever since its colonial days, some have called it a fighting town. and located in the heart of the city, it's a place for anyone who does their fighting outside a ring. more than 12,000 a year pass through the doors of suffolk county jail. >> step inside, gentlemen. back 209 wall, please.
the jail also holds inmates who have already been convicted and serving short sentences. if they don't make bail they'll stay until think cases are resolved. for some, that could be years. >> so many housing people, very violent crimes with people with completely non-violent crimes but it's a maximum security facility. in you're one of the non-violent ones it's something you definitely need to get used to. >> reporter: with an average daily population of male and female inmates, someone reaches their boiling point virtually every day of the week. >> on the ground. >> back to your room. >> the most common violation is fighting. it's common for detainees to fight, and gang differences. people get transferred into new units.
detainees come in and they go right at it, and they end up here. >> reporter: here is the segregation unit, where inmates are placed after fights or other serious disciplinary violations. other than toiletries and legal papers, they are not allowed personal property and are locked in their cells 23 hours a day. while segregation is officially known as the 6-1 unit, inmates have another name for it. >> the box. >> get down. get down. >> it's hell on nerves. >> the box. sucks. >> you hear a lot of screaming. i'm going to kill you. i'm going to get you. >> [ bleep ] -- [ bleep ]. >> these people really do not like each other, and they will take every opportunity to tell whoever's listening how much they don't like somebody else. >> reporter: unlike some segregation inmates, dan espinoza usually keeps quiet.
especially about the fight that earned him 30 days here. it happened the night he was arrested, but he says she doesn't remember a thing about it. >> i was told i chased after a court officer when i was being cuffed up. they said i hit one of them and kicked one and spit on him. >> he came in severely inebreeated of some sort. drunk, definitely something had he came into our facility. >> reporter: he was arrested for shoplifting and name agency plea instead he was taken directly to the segregation unit. fortunately for him, he wasn't charged for his behavior and later pled not guilty for his original charges. he blames his problems on the use of prescription drugs. >> i was on felony coke.
>> why do you say that? >> because every time i take them i get felonies. >> i felt when i was an -- in the ironworkers' union, i tore my knee up, had my knee reconstructed. i was on vicodin, percocet. i've enjoyed heroin a little over 20 years. >> reporter: he supported his addiction and then would sell in ethnic neighborhoods. >> i would grab a rack of them. fence the stuff. go to the italians, puerto ricans for the close. go to the chinese for the electronics that you can get you know, watches. >> reporter: if convicted of his current charges, espinoza could face several years in state prison. >> hate to say it, but maybe it's what i need. >> reporter: while his legal future is still uncertain, his time in segregation is drawing
to a close. he's about to be transferred to general population. >> tomorrow i get out. thank god. get to play in the big box again. out of the little box, into the big box. hate the little box. >> reporter: like espinoza, daniel also aspires to be placed on the general population unit. >> got to mingle with the crowd. you get to get out. i never been a part. only part -- never seen -- like two weeks. a fight. >> what was it? >> a fight. everybody fights. right? i can't handle situations without a fight. someone says something to you or you got problems and you got to act on it. if you don't, they will.
>> reporter: 16 months ago, esdale was convicted of possession of a firearm and sentenced to two years at the house of corrections. a separate suffolk county jail for inmates serving 2 1/2 years or less. due to multiple fights, he spent the first 13 months in segregation, but even under those restrictions he was still a significant discipline problem. >> daniel has gotten into many fights since he's been here. he's been involved in almost ten fights. there are a lot of fights where he has actually asked or called to happen. he's didn't involved in a lot more behind the scenes than he's actually been involved in. >> i'll be in the background, amping them up. just -- i like going at it. [ bleep ] i don't know. it's just fun to me. i just enjoy it. i like all the -- commotion and stuff like that. >> reporter: while esdale tries thrives on commotion outside his
cell, inside is a shrine to order. >> this is my rug. blanket that i use, to keep on my floor. i feel more comfortable and cozy. makes it more like home. that's my cosmetics. this toothbrush, toothpaste so i don't get mixed up. sounds funny. sounds weird, but that's just the way i do it. same thing with deodorants. one day i pick up one. one day the other. you don't use the same one. that's the way do you. mouth wash, shampoo. >> another unique aspect to esdale's current living situation. due to his fighting or egging on of other inmates, jail officials decided to house him in an area where other inmates would be less likely to respond to him. >> lunchtime, gentlemen. >> we decided to remove him from segregation and put him in the infirmary where he couldn't start a fight. he couldn't do it himself. >> this is the infirmary.
this is medical. this is where sick people come down here. they said i come down here, and i maintain behavior, i get a detail. in detail, you pass the trays out. on the detail, i can go back to population. >> reporter: in the meantime, esdale will try to make the best of his work detail and life in the infirmary. >> got a tv in the cell. i don't see a tv in my joint let alone my cell. i got a tv in here. work out. sometimes you talk to yourself. >> what do you say to yourself? >> everything i want to hear. that's the best thing. >> reporter: coming up, an inmate nicknamed smiley deals with her troubled past. >> i punched a lieutenant in the face, so they gave me a full assault and battery of a police officer.
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♪ we got tuna today for lunch. back to our cells after this. every day a living hell. every day. ain't no sunshine. >> reporter: there is some sunshine in boston suffolk county jail, at least on the open air recreation decks. depending on their security level, inmates are allowed out for an hour of rec each day. during bad weather, recreation is taken in housing unit bay rooms where inmates work out any way they can. >> got to do pull-ups every day.
about teb repss ten reps a day. i do my push-ups, squats. i work on the legs. >> now raise your left arm up. >> reporter: over on the women's side, some inmates come for mind-body connection for a more contemplative breakfast. >> bring the hand on to the chair. >> reporter: from time to time the jail allows a volunteer yoga instructor to conduct a class. >> cool like the breeze. >> i like it. it's really relaxing and makes your day go by easier. >> reporter: 23-year-old valerie minacapelli hasn't always been so mellow. she's nearing the end of her sentence for assault with a police officer. >> i picked a fight. they got rough with me so i fought back. i punched a police officer in the face.
they gave me assault and battery. they call me smiley, because i'm always smiling. i'm a nice person, but don't get in my personal space or you're going down. >> minacapelli proved her point just a few days after arriving in jail. she got into fight with another female inmate. >> she got a broken eye socket. i put her in the infirmary for eight days. there you go. >> reporter: the fight earned her a lengthy stay in the female segregation unit. she was released to general population a few weeks ago. despite her sometimes violent tendencies, she claims her numerous stays in the suffolk county jail stem from her addiction to cocaine and heroin. >> when i was with my kids i never did nothing.
never did no drugs, never didn't nothing. i was a stay-home mom. i was good, and then started racking up charges and doing drugs. it was all downhill. >> reporter: she turned to prostitution to support her drug habit. her two children, ages 5 and 6, are now in the custody of their father. >> i do write to them. i don't get any mail back from them. i don't get to talk to them on the phone. my family talks to them. he won't let me talk to them on the phone in jail. >> reporter: despite the pain, minacap minacapelli has found room for laughter in jail. particularly with her cellmate cindy archer. >> the first day we came in, we laughed. >> so hard she was on the floor rolling. >> yeah. >> slapping the wall, everything. oh, my god -- >> i haven't laughed so hard in my life like that. >> reporter: like minacapelli, archer also struggled with addictions to heroin and cocaine.
she is currently serving one year for prostitution. >> i was street walking. i would go there and you know, hop in the car, get the money. but usually i would rob the guys. take the money out of their wallet. put the wallet back in, because they didn't even know. i know how to do it. you know what i mean? surprised i'm not dead yet, but that's how i got my money. >> all you want to do when you're high is get another hit. or go get money to get more dope because your body's aching for it, and that's disgusting. when i think about it now, yeah, i'd love to get high. think of the consequences. think of the consequences. those were abscesses when i shot coke, they'd get big. in the hospital on anti-biotics. i know they look horrible, but she's got to be thinking that could happen to her. i could save her from getting these scars. i have them. thing is, i'm alive, and i can
still try to help her. stay with her. don't let her get any further into her addiction and try to control it before it gets out of hand like i did. >> like she said about the scars and stuff, like, i think about that all the tile. time. when i go in the bathroom i look at my track mark. i'm like, wow. you know what i mean? i just -- a [ bleep ]. we don't need to have all these marks and scars on my body. all the things i lost getting high. you know what i mean? it's crazy. you got to do it for yourself. you can't do it for other people. >> reporter: daniel espinoza has also paid a price for drug addiction. high when he was arrested for shoplifting, he assaulted several deputies during his initial court appearance. as a result, he spent his first 30 days at suffolk county in
segregation, but now he's on his way to general population, where he will have more privileges and time outside his cell. >> today i'm getting out of the hole. i'm going go play with the big kids in the big box now. pretty excited. when you go to a new unit, you don't know who's on that unit or whatever. could be a lot of small time units. so i'll see what's going on. i put a pair of sneakers on. my new unit. see what's going to happen. >> reporter: daniel esdale spent the last four months living and working in the jail's infirmary hoping good behavior would convince jail workers to overlook his history of fighting and grant him a transfer to
general population. >> actually got to a point where he had a detail in medical where he served food to the other inmates and cleaned the unit, so he came a lot farther than we anticipated him coming. >> reporter: esdale finally did get a transfer, but definitely not the one he wanted. he's back to the box. >> i'm in segregation, because i had to scream at the officer. i was told if i work and behave, i can choose where i want to go, but then when it came down to it, you can't go here. you can't go here. you can't go here. you go where we tell you to go. >> he likes to get what he wants. he's very manipulative, and yesterday morning had an incident with the juice was leaking, and decided he didn't want to serve the juice. so when the officer asked him to go into his cell and he's not going to work his detail that
day, he basically had a little upset, i didn't get what i want. >> i got aggravated and said i'm not doing the juice. why do it when i'm not going to get out of it what i wanted to get out of it. >> the sergeant asked him what he was doing. he said i'm leaving today one way or the other. so let it go. later in the day he was fine, but decided to make a comment, meaning that michelle needs to make a decision. she needs to i think he said, grow up, and i'm moving either move me to the work program or to the box. and i made the decision. he went to segregation last night. >> reporter: coming up -- >> like i said, they beat him pretty severely. he passioned out at one time during the fight. >> reporter: a brutal assault that brings consequences that could go beyond time in the box.
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>> reporter: daniel espinoza has just helped give the name some credence. after spending 30 days in segregation, or as he calls it, the little box, he's finally been released to what he calls the big box. general population, where he had more privileges and time outside his cell. but now just six days later, espinoza and on his way back to the little box. >> we got in a fight. jumped someone. >> he got involved in a three on one, in which he and two others brutally assaulted another inmate. >> i beat the [ bleep ] out of him. sent him away in a bus. ambulance. >> like i said, beat hick him severely. passed out one time during the fight. went to the hospital, bleeding from the ear. not sure of the head trauma, if any.
>> reporter: the jail normally punishes fighting by placing the inmates in isolation for up to 30 days. >> the altercation on two. >> reporter: for especially violent incidents, the jail may also choose to file criminal charges, but first, the staff will review surveillance video of the fight. >> at that table is four detainees including daniel espinoza. you can see mr. espinoza looking back to see where the officer's are positioned. this gentleman knows the attack is coming and he's vacating the area because he doesn't want to be a participant. as the gentleman raises his arm, it's ready. he strikes the victim. you see mr. es pa snows sa arrive, who joins in and what ensues is a flurry of punches and kicks to an essentially defenseless detainee. >> reporter: if additional criminal charges are filed against espinoza, the most likely charge would be assault
and battery. a conviction could then send him to state prison for up to eight years. >> most people come into the building. they don't want to make -- what they have worse. so they generally keep really bad behavior in check on their own. yeah, there's a lot of fights and stuff like that, but they go too, too far. a person to pick up an additional charge like this is actually very rare. >> reporter: the long-term consequences are still unknown, it's day-to-day life back in the box is completely predictable. >> i try to sleep until, like, 1:00. and i get up. read for a while. work out. anything, just to make the time pass. separated from everything. you know, the outside world. so you learn to deal with it, and it's called the box. calmed the box life.
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>> did you find him? >> yes. >> reporter: when valerie minacappelli landed in jail, she hit it off with her cellmate and she got closer to her fiance. >> i tried to find him. >> reporter: he's housed in the men's unit on the other side of the jail. luckily enough, she has a perfect view of his cell window. >> that's his over on the bottom. he has a heart in the window. >> yep. >> in pink. >> reporter: as inmates, minacappelli and her fiance cannot talk to each other on the phone or write to one another. now that use a different way 0 communicate. inmates call it skywriting. >> you write the letters backwards. like you're looking in a mirror. you put your hand up like that and start another one.
>> i'm grateful at least we can cross each other and talk to each other. and -- oh, he's got his heart up. yeah! and his hand. oh my -- i love him. it's crazy, the things love will make you do. right? >> yo -- >> reporter: daniel esdale would also be happy to see a friendly face. he recently refused to perform his job detail in the infirmary and became verbally abusive to staff. the incident earned him a minor disciplinary ticket and a transfer back to segregation. he's not happy about being back in the box. >> i stare out the window all day. work out and just stare out the window all day and [ bleep ] talk through the doors. >> what you say? >> reporter: despite his setback, esdale still believes his four months in the infirmary should have earned him a shot at going back to general population.
he's requested to speak with assistant deputy superintendent rachelle steinberg in order to plead his case. >> how you doing? >> i'm all right. >> i dealt with him for probably the last five or six years whether in classification or in capacity as a assistant deputy superintendent. >> you made a comment to the officer. >> he's a very smart individual. however, very manipulative, knows how to play the game and he's a good talker. >> i just want to get this straight. you're telling me that four 4 1/2 months i slipup one time and everything goes down the hill. that's what you're telling me? >> no. you had a choice and you made a choice not to do what was asked of you. >> i just can't -- i really don't understand that because it all started off in the morning. >> yeah. >> about some juice. i didn't want to pour the juice. i got other issues. things adding up. know what i'm saying? >> yeah. >> you have to look at positive side.
he didn't catch a ticket for threatening somebody or trying to hurt somebody or making all kinds of crack noises. >> i never said you're dead in the water, but you're not going back -- >> if i get into fight, you can do that. i don't care. >> i'm not saying you're dead in the water, but -- >> i hate myself. >> but i don't know. you had a setback. that's all it is. no one's saying you're dead in the water. you need to make sure you're maintaining yourself up here with no issues. >> rachelle, can i ask you a question? seriously? >> you asked me ten questions. yeah? >> did you honestly think what i caught a ticket for was really that bad more me. for me? >> the ticket wasn't bad. the fact you were escalated so quickly and getting angry over the most minor thing, that the next step was what we were trying to avoid. >> i wasn't doing nothing aggressive. you understand? >> i know you weren't -- >> i know. i said -- my exact words was this -- >> yes.
>> call rachelle. tell her i need to speak to her. make her [ bleep ] decision. someone grow up, or something like that. >> yeah, you did. >> if you send me to -- send me to the box. >> right. i. was aggravated, rachelle. >> i know that. >> the only way i know how to channel my anger is physically. so instead of doing that, i'm yelling. >> yep. >> i'm yelling. >> that's definitely -- that was recognized. >> rachelle, tell you the truth, i'm not trying to play with you. like you know -- you got your job. you the boss and i respect you. know what i'm coming from? >> yep. >> you and i both know usually i wouldn't care about being -- in the cell. doesn't matter. i'll stay here. >> i know. >> i just feel as though, if i just did four months. four months. >> that's why i'm saying you're not dead in the water. >> reporter: the next step for esdale is administrative segregation or a hearing that will determine how long he
will remain in seg fwra gatien. >> you'll most likely be seeing asu tomorrow. >> i'll be there. >> all right. >> i'll be there. >> all right. >> yep. it was nice seeing you, though. >> you, too, daniel. >> always nice seeing you. you're always going to be good in my books, no matter what. always going to be good. [ bleep ] out of here. >> reporter: while esdale deals with the consequences of his actions, it's time for espinoza to do the same. he's been called to a disciplinary hearing for a brutal three on one attack on another inmate. a fight jail officials called one of the worse they've seen in years. >> espinoza could be a big incident. so they might end up charging you criminally. before we do this, you must understand your rights. >> reporter: since most fights are broken up before therapy serious, they usually are handled internally, but espinoza the fight was so violent he could face new criminal charges.
>> you have the right to remain silent. >> reporter: so espinoza is president his miranda rights prior to discussing it. >> you understand your miranda rights as i read them to you? >> yeah. >> so what happened? >> told him -- >> so he didn't leave and why did you tell him to leave? >> -- cellmate and -- stealing from other people. they banged him up. >> why did you -- >> i can't answer that question. you know? >> it went on for a while. you guys took breaks. >> i didn't take breaks. >> true. you were the one -- the other two were taking breaks. why so long? you know what i mean? >> i lost concept of time. >> well, basically, you know --
yeah. it's pretty bad. you're probably going to do 30. i can't imagine in terms of segregation. all right. thank you. >> reporter: 30 days in segregation could be the least of espinoza's problems. should the d.a. decide to pursue criminal prosecution, if convicted, espinoza could potentially face eight years in state prison. >> was it worth it? >> tired of being in here. put me in a cage and i'm turn turning into a beast. that's what it's like. that's what i do. >> reporter: coming up -- >> what happened? >> a ticket. >> you seemed to be spiraling out of control before that, though. >> reporter: daniel esdale tries yet again to catch a break. >> daniel's a little bit of a special case. >> i knew it was going to happen.
every day i get up. i have breakfast. i go back to bed until 10:00. i'll get up, have my coffee. take a shower. have to go back in the room from 11:00 to 12:00 for lunch. watch tv during the day. go on the treadmill. >> reporter: when it comes to doing time in sufficient is county jail, cindy archer is an old hand. this is her 14th stay at the jail. and she's learned a few tricks along the way. >> i make eyeliner. see? eyeliner. >> reporter: makeup is considered jail contraband and inmates caught with it could receive a disciplinary write up. archer turned to an unusual source at a substitute. >> this activates the eyeliner. activate it with hair grease and it turns black.
doesn't hurt me. i've been doing it the last ten years. like real eyeliner. nobody can make it as black as me, though. >> reporter: during the past ten years she's been in and out of suffolk county with petty charges, which says is fueled by her drug addiction. currently she's serving a year for prostitution. the time has been made easier by the presence of her good friend valle minacapelli. she was released. >> i call her she was doing okay. i talk to her mom. they were doing good. she's so happy that her daughter was home. >> reporter: it won't be long before archer can join her friend and she vows it will be the last she'll see of the suffolk county jail. >> i'm getting released in five
days, and i'm trying to get to a program, and i'm going to stay clean. i'm not going to come back here. >> reporter: archer recently took a small step toward freedom when she was allowed to join the jail's community work program. twice a week they go outside the jail to perform public service, such as painting and land scaling. >> you get out of the jail for a day. you work a real job. you only get $3 a day, but it's worth it for me because it help it helps me to get through my day. when it gets me back into the real world. >> almost like a stepping-stone, to get out the dour. go to work, children with families. different than being in a house with 30 females. >> the population, it's a gradual process. >> yeah, but i don't think they're any smaller.
>> reporter: today some female inmates are headed to a public library to shovel snow. >> the classification process to get into the community program is very strict. you can't have parole violations. escape charges. you know. fighting while you're in here. >> reporter: the program's director, heather mcneil harks has known archer for years. >> cindy archer i've known since 1991 when i first started. she was in here with her mother in '91. we're almost working together. which is kind of scary. >> i'll be getting it a lot. >> oh, please. >> it's not worth it. >> i know that. i know. >> take your shovel. i'll get these. >> she has been in and out for so long that this is kind of like home, unfortunately. she feels probably safer in here than she does on the street. >> you're almost happy to be doing something. like normal. you know?
>> reporter: daniel esdale is also hoping for a bit more freedom. he has five weeks left to serve on his two-year sentence for possession of a firearm. as unlikely as it is, he's still holding out hope he can serve that time in general population. >> it's still a possibility. this big. this big. i might. i doubt it. >> reporter: esdale is currently back in segregation after refusing to perform his job in the jailhouse infirmary. but he sees it as one small slipup after four months of what was for him unusually good behavior. today he's meeting with jail officials where he'll learn what's in store for him. >> chances are i'm going to get an administrative, because of my history in the building. they're not going to pop, because they think i'll come back in and fight. >> reporter: cindy is in charge of esdale's hearing. it's not the first time she's seen him.
>> how are you doing today? >> fine. >> this is not where i wanted us to be. you know that? right? >> yep. >> what happened? >> got a ticket. >> i know you got a ticket. you seemed to be spiraling out of control before that? >> yeah. because i kept getting restricted for no reason. >> daniel is a little bit of a special case. he is a special case because of the level of violence he's shown to us. fighting, continuous disruptions. four cell moves and he just doesn't stop. >> so now we need to move forward. >> i'm going to -- >> you know. so what we're going to do is place you into asu. probably for the remainder of your sentence. okay? >> no restraints, right? >> correct. we're starting you out on asu, no restraints. came out of the infirmary, nothing violent. no reason to put you on full restraint, but you know that can be our next step.
we can even move further. i hope it's not. you don't have much time. hope you can just ride that out and do what you're supposed to. do you have any questions about what is going to happen? >> with what? >> with asu. i want to be clear about everything. >> about asu. i can't go pop. so no. no questions. >> all right. thank you. >> reporter: now, knowing he will spend his last five weeks at suffolk county in segregation, esdale is led back to his cell. >> he's a player. he's the type of inmate who reads you and if you're afraid of him, he's going to act up. act tough. you're not afraid of him, he won't act up. not going to act tough. >> i knew it was going to happen. >> he doesn't know where his lies begin and his truth ends. very compulsive. he likes to keep himself clean. he will beat up a cellmate because a cellmate doesn't keep himself clean. that's just his personality.
>> it's just stupid because i knew this was going to happen where i can't leave the box. you know what i'm saying? take the dog off the leash. he nibbles. he don't even nibble. he barks. instead of looking at the positive side, he barked. he didn't bite. he barked. he didn't bite. that's coined. i thought i [ bleep ] look at the box [ bleep ] it's a box. at least i know where i'm going to be at, though, right? >> reporter: esdale's future appears certain. cindy archer has suddenly taken an uncertain turn. she's just returned from her work detail. >> why did they have your bra? >> i don't know. >> when we shook her shirt we found there was cigarette residue all over her bra.
like she discarded it and it's all over the bra. looks like she might have smoked it. >> makeup is all on there. >> i know the difference. believe me. you got caught. makeup from the other day. that was it. that was it. i'm not -- i don't have nothing to encourage me. i don't have nothing. >> reporter: having tobacco could delay archer's release. since they only found residue, she will not face consequences. >> probably hold her. won't go back outside until she leaves friday. that will be the end of it. there is no contraband. maybe she doesn't want to leave. maybe she wants to stay. that might be one of the reasons, too. she's afraid to leave here, so she's trying to sabotage herself. >> reporter: coming up, big developments for three suffolk county inmates. >> hey! the ultimate business phone -- the motorola expert from sprint. its powerful tools help you work faster and smarter so you can get back to playing "angry birds."
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i was [ bleep ] -- [ bleep ]. >> reporter: inmates at boston's suffolk county jail often refer to the disciplinary segregation unit as the box. but for a handful of inmates, time in the box does nothing to deter their behavior. >> i can't help it, man. you know? >> reporter: in those cases, the jail has one other more drastic option. it can transfer them to another jail in a neighboring county. >> we'll accept inmates from other facilities. who are having issues in their populations or vice versa. we try to give them a fresh start. we'll send individuals out to different counties where the drama may not be and they see if they can live -- we don't want a large contingency in our place. it creates more disciplinary problems, and we try to keep down the violence. some of the violence we do.
>> reporter: that step has now been taken with one of the most notorious inmates -- esdale. >> he was -- through taking that known identity for him out of it and placing him somewhere else where he's not so known will be better for him. it's a win-win because he's given another shot in another county. >> reporter: the suffolk county jail has almost been a second home to cindy archer, bupt but today she'll have another chance to put it behind her. >> i'm leaving. i'm going home. i'm getting discharged. yeah. i'm excited. i'm going to do the right thing, stay clean. and i'm not going to come back. >> that's the first thing you're going to do -- >> smoke a cigarette. you know?wthat's the first thin you're going to do -- >> smoke a cigarette. you knogoing to do -- >> smoke a cigarette. you knoyou're going to do -- >> smoke a cigarette. you know?going to do -- >> smoke a cigarette.
you know? okay. bye, kirby. >> reporter: as she is processed out, archer gets to exchange her uniform for the clothes she was arrested in months earlier. >> do you have them? bye! >> you guys be good. this is the best feeling in the world, is to be out of jail. i'm here nine, ten months on the year. >> you want to go home? >> yes -- yes, sir. oh, i'm not home. 1 100354. okay kiddos. >> why are these -- >> thank you. i just want to say. >> reporter: archer arranged to stay with an old boyfriend while she gets on her feet. >> i just got out just now. i'm on my way out there, okay? i'll call you when i get there. please, have your phone with you. all right.
i'll call you in half an hour. >> i value my life very much now. and my freedom, too. u you think about, well, if you do drug, it's only going to last for a minute. you're going to get back to the dogs and have a habit. another case, down the infirmary looking like [ bleep ]. i have the power to change myself. i just got to stay away from all bad -- all bad things. >> reporter: espinoza expects to walk out of jail any day now, but his freedom is not guaranteed. authorities might still bring criminal charges against him for his role in the three on one fight in the general population unit. but a $750 bail has just been set on his original charges of shoplifts and larceny and he's got the money. >> i'm going to bail out. hopefully beat these case.
the way most of these cases i have on my record are beaten. when i beat these cases i'm all done. i think i'll try the mundane life. >> reporter: but espinoza has tried before. >> when i get to a spot i think i should be, a house, a car, that's usually when i pick up. i'll start out smoking weed thinking it's okay to smoke weed once in a while. that leads me to heroin. once i see heroin, i look at everything i have, then i've been happy, real happy, but sometimes i like the pain. >> "the box life"