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i'm going to surprise for you. >> i guess i'm probably not surprise you expected. >> they're back. >> decided to bring the motorcycle. >> oh. that's hot. >> grown men who target young teens. >> so what do you want to do? >> anything you want to. >> and police still targeting them. >> get on the ground! face down. now! >> on the ground, now! >> hands up. >> tonight the hidden cameras are in california. an undercover house complete with a hot tub. >> did you bring your swim trunks. >> and plenty of hot water. >> you say you're a pretty normal, horny old man. on craigslist, you talk about oral sex. >> can i ask you something? am i going to be, like, in trouble? >> there's the internet addict who comes clean. >> like a drug.
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it was definite lay addiction. >> and the marine sniper who comes armed. >> i didn't listen to my sixth sense that kept me alive in iraq and i didn't do that here. >> what niece store for all of these men? >> you are going to jail today. >> chris hanssen with a "dateline" net crime, to catch a predator. >> thank you for joining us. >> now we move across the country to northern california to the town of petaluma where two high-profile cases made national headlines. >> when our hidden cameras find there, again, we want to warn you that this is explicit. here's chris hanssen. >> hey! you made it. hey, come on back. you made it. hey! you're here. hey. >> this girl appears to be home alone and looking for company. >> come on in. >> she keeps waving men into the garage. >> come on in. >> and they keep following her. >> come on back. >> all the way to the backyard. >> i made some drinks. i made frozen lemonade.
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>> excellent. >> when where she offers them a drink. >> i made frozen lemonade. i'm going to get changed. have a seat. okay? >> anyone watching this scene repeat itself over and over might be wondering what's going on. die you bring the condoms? >> yep. >> good. >> the girl is an 18-year-old actress hired by "dateline." she's inviting suspected sex predators to sit at a bar in a backyard that is wired with hidden cameras. >> where do you work? >> software. >> like the computer? oh. >> she chats with the men making them feel more at ease. >> office your ride? >> i missed my train first. then i missed my bus. >> oh, no. but you got here. that's the good part. >> and then i come out. >> you had quite the commute today, huh? why don't you have a seat by the bar there? did you enjoy your drink? >> yeah. >> it is part of the investigation into online sex predators. this guy's coming in. >> get down.
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>> as in the past, men from all walks of life show up. a respected doctor. >> pour me a drink. i'll put on my suit. >> geez. >> we can go far ride later. >> you bet. >> and a car pent we are the most revealing confession we have ever heard. is that there a part of you that wishes there was this 13-year-old girl here? >> if there was that looked like your friend there, then i don't know. >> but nearly all the men say, they had no plans to have sex with a minor. >> so we probably have at least four guys inbound right now. >> we have hired the online watchdog group perverted justice as consultants. its volunteers are experts at pretending to be kids online. for this operation, the volunteers go into local california chat rooms posing as 12 and 13-year-olds and wait to be contacted bay adult. if a chat turns sexual, the decoys will agree to meet in person and give the suspected predator the address to this undercover house. it's in petaluma, california, an hour north of san francisco, the town where john mark karr, the
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former suspect in the jonbenet ramsey murder was charged with five counts of possession of child pornography, and the hometown of polly klaas, a 12-year-old abducted and murdered by a sex predator. >> this is a beautiful community with wonderful people in it. the polly klaas tragedy is capable of happening in anywhere, usa. >> sergeant matthew stapleton of the petaluma police department says law enforcement here is acutely aware of the dangers posed by sex predators. that's one of the reasons the it wanted to set up a sting. >> we wanted to make sure that people around us got the message crystal clear that we have resources dedicated to this. and we will continue to dedicate resources to this as much as we can. >> and that's why the petaluma police reached out to perverted justice. sergeant stapleton and his men worked out a plan with the online watchdog group. the police will be staked out in the house next door and perverted justice will turn over chat logs and phone records of the suspects expected to show up.
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wauns man leaves our house, the police will make an arrest. usually we set up inside the house, often in the kitchen. this time, we're in the backyard. to give you an idea of how this works, watch a man, 41 year-old norberto avalos. he's here to meet a girl who told him she was 13. >> come on back. i made some frozen lemonade. >> as he heads into our backyard, we are unaware that this man has a criminal history for robbing a store. >> he says he can make a girl walk on clouds making love to her and then asks about meeting her in person. we will just talk, right? or do i have to take some condoms? the decoy says, well, dwropt get pregs. he says i won't get you pregnant. i know how to do it. take it out on time. the decoy tells him to bring
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them anyway. >> what did you buy me? >> and offers to bring her a web cam. >> yeah. did you get me some presents? i'll be out in a minute. i can check them out. >> what did you bring? >> how are you? >> good. how are you? how's everything? have a seat. >> thank you. >> what all did you bring her? >> web cam. >> web cam? >> yes. >> why did you gate web cam? >> for your daughter. >> for my daughter. >> yes. >> why would you want to buy my daughter a web cam? >> just to see her face. >> but you had no other plans about -- >> no, no. >> making her do anything sexual. >> oh, no, no. i'm not like that, no. >> did you bring condoms with you? >> no. there's none in your car? >> oh, there is -- i always carry them in the car, yes, yes. i wouldn't do that to a 13-year-old, believe me. >> the problem is that your conversation makes it sound like you would do that with a 13-year-old. >> no. i wouldn't. i wouldn't do that.
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>> have you ever had an orgasm? if you're my girl, i'll give you the best one in your life. >> i wouldn't do that to her. only unless if, you know, if she was 18 or, you know -- >> talking about condoms. there's talk about sex. there's talk about giving hear orgasm. i mean, what -- >> it is just -- >> what are you supposed to draw from that? >> i made a mistake. i had a couple beers. i was tired and i just feel like talking, you know, like. that i shouldn't be talking like that. >> this is the part where he finds out he is going to be on national television. i'm chris hanssen with "dateline" nbc. >> i'm sorry. and, you know? i would don't that. >> seduce a kid a. girl. >> you were seducing her online. >> i would don't that in person. >> well, you're free to go. >> yeah. thank you. >> you can take your stuff with you. you better take the web cam with you, as well. >> as he picks up the presents and leave it is backyard, law enforcement moves in to position.
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and makes the arrest. >> police, police. >> get down. get down. >> he's quickly whisked away by aumpbss and taken to a temporary booking station. after being photographs, he's questioned by police where he continues to deny he was doing anything wrong. >> do you think it's sfloept. >> no. >> porno movies on the laptop. we know what would have happened watching those movies. >> i know. >> you would have had sex with her. >> probably. no, no. i was driving, i said, she is only 13. how am i going to let her watch porno movies. >> then 41-year-old admits he's been in trouble with the law before. >> tried to rob a store. >> who is we? >> me and one of my brothers. >> anyone get hurt? >> no. sometimes you make really stupid mistakes. i regret for that and now look. i'm regretting for this over here. >> for this? did you have a gun trying to rob the store? >> yes. it was my own gun. >> your own gun? >> in fact, they gagged and tied up two employees and assaulted a
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witness while robbing the store. he was sentenced to five years in prison. he's taken away and brought to the county jail. >> sheriff's department. get on the ground! >> you are about to meet another suspected predator familiar with guns. a marine corps sniper who says he takes a shotgun everywhere he goes. >> i didn't listen to my sixth sense that kept me alive in iraq.
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well, try to make a statement right now. >> everyone is on high alert as the next potential sex predator approaches the house. >> there he is. >> online he told a decoy pretending to be a 13-year-old, i carry a gun everywhere i go. so as soon as he arrives -- >> put up your hands. >> officers take him down. >> pat him down. pat him down.
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>> then he's brought in for questioning. he's 23-year-old jonathan steman. he admits to the detective that he was chatting online about sex with a girl named anna. >> i let my other head get the best of me and pretty regretful right about now 'cause my wife comes back in three days from the army and i'm not gonna know how to tell her this. >> so what did you say to anna? >> a bunch of vulgarities, a lot of sexual content about what i'd like to do to her. i also told her that i was in the marine corps, which i am. >> are you currently? >> i am active duty. >> in fact, he points out that his surveillance skills as a soldier initially tipped him off that something was up. >> being in the marine corps as a sniper, i was pretty in tune to my surroundings. and so i noticed a couple vehicles that looked out of place so i left the first time. i had seen this on tv before and never thought i'd be part of it. and i didn't listen to my sixth sense that kept me alive in iraq. and i didn't do that here. >> did you have any guns in the car? >> yes, i did. i have my shotgun. it pretty much goes anywhere
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with me. >> and sure enough, the police did find the gun in the trunk of his car. >> all right. is there anything else? >> that's it, sir. >> there's another man outside our house here to meet a girl who told him she was 13. >> hey. you made it. >> this time, our decoy invites him in. >> come back. >> meet 37-year-old mike vestal screen name mike_vestal69. he tells the decoy, "i must warn you i am kinda big down there." and asks her if she wants to see. then e-mails her a picture of his genitals. they make plans to meet and he says "you might not want to be with boys your age when i get done with you." >> i made us some frozen lemonade. and i got the hot tub started. >> but he won't be getting into the hot tub today. so did you bring your swim trunks? >> nope. >> no. what did you bring? >> nothing. >> why'd you come here today? >> it was stupid.
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i should have known better. she's a baby. >> he says he wasn't really going to do anything with her but his chat log seems to say otherwise. you say that you're a pretty normal, horny, old man. and i would love to make wild, passionate love to you. >> oh god. >> i'm trying to understand why you thought it was a good idea to come over here to visit a 13-year-old girl. >> i don't know. i don't know. i wasn't thinking. >> but you sent this picture, right? >> yes. >> and that's you? >> yes. it's not something i would have normally done. i should have known better. >> he seems to think i'm a cop and even tries bargain with me. >> i know what the law says. but i'm really hoping far warning. >> so you think you should just get a warning? >> i'm begging. i'm begging please. >> well, there's one warning that i can give you. that i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc." and we're doing a story on adults who solicit minors on-line for sex. >> i have nothing else to say,
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except, world, please forgive me. it was stupid. >> he makes his way out of the backyard through the garage where police are waiting to arrest him. >> turn around. put your hands behind your back. >> he's taken away in an unmarked car and brought in for questioning. >> why did you come to the house today? >> i was bored at home. >> yeah? what was some of the thing that is you discussed? >> oral sex. >> oral sex. anything else? >> think that was it, maybe a massage. >> did you send any photo toss this person? >> of my private parts. i'm digging myself a hole, aren't i? he insists that he would not have had sex with a 13-year-old. >> i [ expletive ] up my marriage. i [ expletive ] up my life. i don't deserve any of it. meaning my life, my wife. >> how long have you been married, michael? >> 13 years.
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>> and there are more married men about to show up at our hidden camera house. this is 43-year-old manuel uson. he's a plant supervisor for a large automaker. he's here after chatting online with a girl who told him she was 13. >> wow. this is your place? >> yeah. it's nice, huh? so look, i got the hot tub uncovered. >> wow. >> if you're wondering what he's doing in this strange backyard with a girl he's never met before, take a look at what he said online, using the screen name bendix632 he types "we're gonna take a shower, both of us." he tells the decoy, "you will give me oral sex" and using graphic language says he will do the same to her. then he tells her "u go naked in bed when i see you sunday." the decoy says okay and bendix632 asks "i'll be the one gonna take off your clothes?" >> want me to turn it on? you can jump in if you want. yeah, go ahead. jump in. yeah. jump in. >> have a seat right over there please. >> oh, hi. >> hi. how are you? what's happening? >> i'm good. >> please.
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have a seat. >> oh, am i in trouble right now? >> let's talk about it far minute here. what did you bring? >> quesadilla. >> how old are you? >> i'm 30, 40. >> 40? because in your chat you said you're 25. he's really 43. >> oh, yep. just teasing over there. >> so this is all just teasing in here. where you say "probably a virgin, huh?" >> yeah. >> "how big are your --" talking about the breasts? >> i guess. >> "i masturbate twice a day." >> just teasing on that thing. i'm going to go meet her. and then nothing. nothing. >> nothing. because there's a whole lot of something going on right here. you know what i mean? >> it's all just words. he argues everything said in a chat room is just pretend. the problem is that you left the pretend world of the computer internet and came here to the real world. >> yeah. >> where you thought a real girl was home alone. >> yeah, but she was -- >> and so it's not pretend anymore once you're here. do you get that?
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>> i know. that's what i'm saying. i made a mistake. >> he claims he just came over to bring the girl lunch. did you bring condoms? >> no. actually, i did. actually -- >> oh, you did. why don't you put them on that bar there? oh, there's some right there. extra sensitive. >> i mean, she wants me to bring some. and i just bring them. >> so a 13-year-old told you to do something so you did it. you're 40. >> i made a mistake. >> he says his wife and 3-year-old are back in the philippines so he use it is internet to make friends. but his chat went way beyond friendship. you say, "i'll buy condoms. remember, my blank is big." >> oh. >> "you want me to slide that in your blank?" now, this is over and over and over again. and when the cameras come out, i tell him he's walked into a "dateline" investigation he says he wasn't going to do anything wrong. so you're maintaining -- >> yes. >> -- that you would not have had sex with this girl. >> no, no, no. really, serious. not at all. >> in spite of the condoms. >> no. >> in spite of the -- >> that's it. >> -- explicit chat. >> yeah. i wouldn't even do it.
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>> he'll have to that story to the police. after he's brought into the booking station and photographed, he starts answering questions. and this time he seems to admit everything. >> she told you that she was 13 years old. >> yes, yeah. >> you talked about having sex with her. >> yes. >> and doing it doggy style. >> yes. >> she told you that her parents would be gone and you made arrangements to come and have sex with her? >> well, not really sex. but, you know, we just -- but, i bought the condoms. >> you wanted to have sex with her? >> yes, yes. >> he tells the detective it's really his wife's fault. >> she's so demanding, too. that's why i have so many problems. my wife and me, you know, have some argument. that's why i did this stupid thing or else i wouldn't do it. >> then he comes up with this surprising offer -- he wants to go undercover for the police. >> maybe i can work for you guys.
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i'm really hoping to work for you guys. >> not likely. our undercover house becomes so busy, men are practically running into each other.
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two of them. >> it happens every time at least once during our undercover operation. two guys showing up almost at the same time. >> that's him right there.
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>> so how are you? >> while 26-year-old, a software engineer is in the backyard, another man is heading towards our house. i'll have to time my interview with him just right so the men won't run into each other. >> hey! i made some frozen lemonade. sit down. i'm going to go get in my swim suit s. that okay? sure. >> yeah. okay. pour me a drink. >> he calls himself mannbay2004. he says i will go till you tell me to stop. the decoy sas i, if i do not stop, how far would you do? he says, all the way. remember, this man has no idea he's being recorded by hidden cameras. >> what do you want to do? >> let's see how it goes. yeah? >> okay. so you're playing hard to get, huh? >> uh-huh. >> now let's see how it goes. what did you bring? >> it's a condom. >> condoms? >> yeah. >> and?
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>> and lubricant. >> lubricant? >> yeah. i'm sorry. can i ask you something first? >> sure. >> am i going to be, like, in trouble? >> well, that's not up to me. >> oh [ bleep ]. [ bleep ], man. i knew this. fie you knew this, why did you come? >> i don't know why. really. i fought with myself. still i don't know why i came. >> well, you have condoms and lubricant there. >> i know. but that's for the first thing i asked is are you a virgin? he said, no. >> doesn't change the fact that she said that she was 13. and you brought gear for sex. >> yeah. true. >> so here's the other thing. here you are, 26 years old. talking to a 13-year-old. saying you gotta be careful. why? there are a lot of sexual predators out there. predators. >> am i one? >> are you? you know, it's against the law.
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>> oh. >> oh? >> yeah, yeah. no, no. i mean, it's bad. >> it's time to wrap up this interview and make room for our next visitor. >> well, there's something i gotta tell you. i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc." >> [ bleep ]. cover my face. >> we asked him to go in the house and out the front door so this next man can come in through the garage. as our new arrival makes his way into the backyard, police arrest the first man in the front. the police are so quiet that this 33-year-old has no idea what's going on. his name is fernando bernal. he does computer support at a college. he's here to meet a girl who told him she was 13. >> hey! oh, you brought me something. >> yeah. >> yeah. how are you? >> fine. and you? >> good. come on back. and you can set it down on the bar. you can -- >> online he calls himself "a_latino-man559." six minutes after making contact with a decoy playing a 13-year-old he
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says he's bored and horny and proceeds to go into graphic detail about what he wants to do to her sexually. he even turns on his webcam and sends her live pictures of his genitals. just before he signs off he tells the girl, "i'll be the best sex you will ever have." >> what did you bring me? >> brought you a hamburger. >> i love hamburgers. did you bring the condoms? >> yeah. >> oh, cool. cool. so what do you want to do? >> whatever you want to do. >> how do you like the backyard? good, good. how are you? why don't you have a seat right over there on the other side, please. what'd you bring? >> oh, it's just some stuff. some hamburgers. please, sit down. would you like a drink? >> no. that's okay. i'm really sorry, sir. >> sorry for what? >> for being here. >> i saw you brought your bag. were you planning on spending the night? >> well, i brought some stuff. because it's a long drive. so if you're gonna stay, whatever. get a hotel. >> or stay the night. >> or stay right here at the house.
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>> well, the -- that's an option. >> now how old are you? >> i'm 33. >> 33. and this girl you met online here, she told you she was how old? >> she was 13, i believe. >> 13. all right. so 20 years younger than you are. why prey on somebody who says they're 13? >> i didn't. i didn't, sir. >> you did, you did. you talked to a girl who said she was 13. you brought all the stuff. did you bring condoms? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> but, you know. >> you said it a moment ago. no reason to lie about it. how far did you travel today? >> like three hours. >> three hours? >> yeah. >> you must have been hoping for something really special to drive that far on a saturday afternoon. >> i needed to get out of town, too. see what happens. >> you sent her pornographic images, these images of you, your genitals to a 13-year-old girl. >> i never meant any harm at this point, sir. >> you would have had sex with this girl if the opportunity arose? >> no.
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i probably wouldn't because -- no. i was thinking on the way here i'd maybe -- i just need to talk, you know. >> well, you were talking online here. >> yeah. >> you tell her that you'll teach her various sex acts. >> you. i'm -- i'm sorry. >> why would you risk so much for this one time encounter? >> i don't even understand it myself, sir. >> do you ever watch "dateline nbc"? does this all seem a little familiar to you? >> yeah. >> i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc." and we're doing a story on adults who try to meet teens online. >> is this going to be aired? >> he's reluctant to leave, concerned about appearing on national television. >> i'm a good person. if you guys don't believe it. i really do believe god is going to help me through this. >> what he doesn't seem to know as he walks out of the backyard is that around the corner he has an even bigger problem than his appearance on television.
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the officers are back in place ready to arrest him. >> drop that stuff. >> drop it. >> drop that stuff. >> drop it on the ground. >> step up. >> after he's brought to the booking station and photographed, he continues to tell his story to the police and admits he has a problem. >> i do have an issue with porn and sex, basically. >> you seem have been obsessed with wanting to each her. is there something about that? is that part of your issue? >> it could -- yeah. it could be part of my issue. >> but he insists that he probably would not have had sex with a 13-year-old. and there are still more suspects running into each other. you'll meet one potential predator who drives by our house, parks outside and then spots another man walking up the driveway. >> and then you saw somebody going in and what the heck is going on? >> the mustang. >> and you won't believe what they found in his truck. >> it's penis pump. d's college fund was getting expensive.
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i'm lynn berry. here's what's happening. air passengers are slowly getting out of cleveland international airport. flights at the continental hub at a stop for ten hours after an electrical fire.
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he's coming up right now slow. >> outside our hidden camera house here in petaluma, california, things are still getting backed up. one potential predator drives up, parks out front and sits there. meanwhile we spot another man across the street getting out of his car. he's been sitting there for several minutes. >> we believe jack, the stripper. >> usually when a visitor arrives, we know exactly who he is based on his photo and information in his chat log. but as we watch this man cross the street and head up our driveway, we realize we don't know which potential predator he is. our decoy invites him in anyway. >> hey, how you doing? you made it. finally. >> so what will the man in the truck do next? we'll tell you in a moment.
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>> hey, sit down. pour me some frozen lemonade. it tastes pretty good i think. i'm going to change into my swim suit. >> perfect. >> yeah. >> while this potential predator and decoy chat, we are trying to figure out which one he is. >> you don't look 29. >> so what do you want to do? >> anything you want to. >> what did you have in mind? >> i don't know. i think actions speak louder than words. >> i head out to meet him carrying a chat log. >> actions speak louder than words, huh? have a seat over there on the stool for your first action. >> how are you doing, sir? tie chat log i have belongs to someone else. how old are you? >> 17. >> try again. >> 17. i lied my age. >> 17. why would you lie and say that you're 29? >> 29? i'm not 29. >> what is your screen name? >> it's called hennessey. mystery solved.
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the decoy hands me the correct chat log. henry guzman, 20 years old. he was what perverted justice calls a fast mover. the chat began a few hours ago. wasting no time, he made a date for sex with her and then drove right over. that's what caused all the confusion. >> faked your name and age. >> i knew this would happen. >> you knew this would happen? why don't you tell me what you came here for? >> i have no idea who's going on, man. >> i'm confronting him in the backyard, that other suspect is still out front sitting in his truck. so who did you think you were talking to there? a minute ago, that girl. >> i don't know. i don't know anything about it. i'm serious. >> he doesn't seem to know something else, i have the entire chat log of his conversation with the decoy. so you already had sex, you ask her. >> what is this? what is this? >> you say you have condoms. can you bring?
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okay. do you have condoms in your car? >> no. why -- what's up here? >> well because i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc" and doing a story on men who try to meet teens online for sex. >> see you later. have a nice day. >> just as i'm telling him that he's walked into a "dateline" investigation, the man in the truck drives away and is arrested down the street. >> put your hands up! >> the 20-year-old leave it is backyard and is met by police on the driveway. >> drop what's in your hands. drop it! >> both men end up here at the booking station where their vehicles are searched and their pictures taken. >> right here. look at right here. >> hennissey 1436 is brought in for questioning. he says he had no intention of having sex. but then, he changes his story. >> when you left san francisco, how old did you believe she was based on the information that you had?
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>> 13 years old. >> but i -- >> so why did you come down here to meet this girl? >> i goesz have sex. >> to have sex. >> he also admits to some of what he said online. >> i remember i said, i go, like, you know, bring condoms i guess and i just -- you know? i'm not going to lie. i have them in my trunk but they were not for that. that means i'm going to jail? >> yeah, you are. >> what about the man in the truck across from the snous now it is his turn to be questioned. he was invited bay decoy posing as a young teen he met in a chat room. brought beer and condoms just like to decoy asked. >> she goes that my mom is gone and i'm 13 and we can get naked and we can do this. she made it sound like, wow, this would be the greatest thing. you know? at first, it was like, yeah, this is cool, this is cool. >> what else did you two talk about doing? when you came home? >> she said bring beer. >> what snels. >> sit in the hot tub.
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>> okay. >> she wanted to have sex. dude, i'll kick your ass myself you do this. i couldn't do it. i couldn't get out of that truck. i was like, just go home now. >> he claims he sat in the truck debating whether to go inside and decided to leave and that's when he was pulled over. >> reality check, what are you doing? bringing alcohol to a minor first of all and this is -- a little kid. come on, dude. what is wrong with you? >> that's not the reason why. you didn't go in the house. >> why? that is reason why. i swear to you. >> you saw somebody going in the house and decided what the heck is going on here? >> oh, the guy with the mustang. he came in way after i -- parked the truck and sat there. i didn't think much of it. >> when police search the truck, they find the beer and something else. >> we searched your truck. >> yeah. >> we found something in the cabin. >> yeah. >> a device i'm not familiar with.
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>> well, it's a pump for a thing, penis, right? >> say that again. >> it's penis pump. >> okay. >> i guess makes you feel good. >> he said he got it at a bachelor party and had no intention of using wit a 13-year-old and that concludes the interview. >> come on out, please. >> yes, sir. >> up next, you'll meet a man who makes himself right at home, eating fruit and drinking lemonade while giving us the most candid confession we have ever heard. >> developed a stupid, irrational fantasy. >> meeting a 13-year-old girl? all right. 
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all right. again, he is slowing down. looks like he is going to pull into the driveway. >> okay. >> decoys from perverted justice normally set up profiles of young teens in chat rooms like yahoo! and aol. then they wait to be contacted by adults. but here in petaluma, california, a decoy posted a personal ad on craigslist in the men seeking men section that said boy looking for friends. this man answered his ad. >> grab a seat f. you want, i'll turn on the hot tub. you can jump right in. >> he's 43-year-old steve cartlidge, screenname toofastforya'll2003. steve starts e-mailing the decoy and says, maybe i could give you your first -- and uses a graphic term for oral sex. he also sends kevin a link to gay pornographic websites. then he makes a date for sex with the decoy and comes on over. >> i'll be right back.
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hey. so you still ready to be my first? yeah? >> yeah. up to you. >> all right. >> no hot tub for you? >> nope. >> what's up? >> nothing. >> yeah? what are you here for? >> just to talk. >> and who were you going to talk to? >> see, i knew something was up. i saw all the cameras here. >> and why did you come over if you had a feeling something was up? >> i don't know. >> you talk about oral sex. you ask him a list of very personal questions about what he's done and where he is in his physical development. >> uh-huh. >> is that appropriate for a man your age to be asking those questions of a 13-year-old boy? >> no. all right. let's just do what we're gonna do. >> what do you mean? >> aren't you going to arrest me? >> i'm not gonna arrest you. >> then who are you? >> i'll get to that in a minute. i have a few more questions for you. you get into graphic detail about what you want to do with this boy sexually. >> because that's what he wanted and told me. >> so it's his fault?
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>> not really. no. i'm taking full blame for whatever happened. >> and although he seems to take full blame, he insists he didn't believe the boy, kevin, was really 13. was there a conversation about you look so much older? >> no. but i did tell him that i think something does not seem right. >> you also gave him a laundry list of sexual acts that you wanted to engage with him in. >> now you gonna tell me who you are now? >> yes. i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc" and we're doing a story on adults who try to meet teens on the internet. >> no. >> now, if there's anything else you'd like to tell us, we'd be glad to hear it. >> thank you. >> as he exits the backyard, law enforcement gets into position, and then makes the arrest. >> i knew you guys were going to do this. >> the 43-year-old is taken to the booking station,
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photographed and brought in for questioning by a detective from the petaluma police department. he continues to claim he didn't think the boy was really 13. >> so did you talk to kevin about having oral sex? >> probably. >> okay. did you talk to him about giving him his first [ bleep ]? >> that's what he was asking. >> the detective also wants to find out if toofastforya'll2003 >> what did you bring? >> some smirnoff and some wine coolers. >> so you were gonna bring that to the house? for kevin? >> well, i don't know for him or not. i mean, i was edgy when i got there. i was like, "i don't know about this." >> the detective concludes the interview. >> any chance of bailing out tonight or -- >> yeah, they'll explain to you your bail. i think at -- your bail's $30,000. >> back at the house, another potential predator is on his way in. >> he's heading twoords the back. >> hey! >> hello. >> you made it.
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you look even better in person. have a seat. i made some drinks. i made frozen lemonade. >> excellent. >> most of the suspected predators we meet claim they weren't doing anything wrong but as you'll soon hear this next man admits he has a problem. >> decided to bring the motorcycle. maybe we can go for a ride >> you bet. >> he's 34-year-old jeffrey couture, screen name jefe6. he's here to meet a girl he online he said, are you thinking you might want to have sex with then he asks her if she's ever received oral sex. the decoy says nope and he says, >> what do you have in mind? >> i asked you first. >> oh, i'm just getting dressed. i've got a surprise for you. >> i guess i'm probably not the surprise you expected, am i? >> you are exactly the surprise i -- >> why don't you --
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>> you're exactly what i was expecting. >> i am? >> pretty much. >> why did you come anyway? >> i don't know. i'm really stupid. i spent a lot of time online in the last ten years. >> yeah? >> developing these stupid months ago to delete my i.d.s. just get rid of it all. >> i knew i had a problem and then the other day i got back >> totally. >> is it loneliness? is it something that you have tried to get help for in the >> i haven't tried to get help. i tried to deal with it myself. >> jeff says after a decade-long obsession and an attempt to change his ways, the lure was >> developed a stupid, irrational fantasy. >> meet ago 13-year-old girl? >> well, you know, 13 is actually way younger than i >> he says he'd really prefer 16 then he seems to imply that he wanted to get caught. >> you happened to ask if i ever
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maybe i just did. i fully expected that this was a >> but is there a part of you that really wishes there was this 13-year-old girl here and >> you know what? i don't know if there is. if there were really a 13-year-old girl who looked like your friend there, then -- then i don't know. >> you're a good-looking guy who >> you have a girlfriend? >> how's that going to go over? >> oh, it's not going to go over >> did you bring any wine with you or -- >> i did. >> you did. far 13-year-old girl. >> oh, i intended to. and i was running late and i didn't. >> so, you didn't. he finds out he'll be appearing on national television. >> that's actually unexpected. >> you thought i was a police
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officer? >> yeah. i had no idea who you are. >> okay. well, you do now. as he leave it is backyard, something else he might find unexpected. >> get your hands -- >> hands up, now! >> he explains to the detective why chatting online became an addiction. >> it was a fantasy and it frustrated me that that fantasy stop didn't work and that's how >> it is like a drug. definitely an addiction. >> recently have had feelings of excitement about the idea of >> the detective asks him about >> any pictures of sexually exples sit children on it? >> it might. i saved the pictures of anyone in the chat rooms. >> these would be pictures, someone sent you? >> yes. >> people you're chatting with at the time that were children?
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i thought i might regret i thought maybe i want to masturbate to them at some >> in fact, police did find to determine if he'll be charged pornography in addition to the face, attempted lewd and la vif still more potential predators are making their way into our backyard and then into the arms and what some of them do for a ♪ hey, gramps, what do you got in there? well, a trout lure, a set of dentures, broadway albums. you know -- stuff. yeah. about that. that big wheel behind us... yeah? he's got a flat-screen, swivel chairs, and a fridge. oh. hey, man! can we come over tonight? it's surprising just how affordable an rv vacation can be. visit gorving.com and get a free video. or see an rv dealer. go affordably. go rving.
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after the men dmaugt our sting were arrested, police armed with search warrants went to the suspect's homes and offices and seized computers and other evidence. sergeant matthew stam lton say that is's when he realized the actions of these suspected predators have had far-reaching consequences. >> there were spouses and children that were devastated
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when they learned of this development and their lives were upside down. >> so it's not just this guy out there. there's collateral damage in these cases fly's a lot of people affected in a sad way. >> you made it. >> yeah, of course. >> and there are many more men about to turn their lives and lives of their families upside down. so far, we have introduced you 11 men. that's not even half the tote am number of suspects who show up at our hidden camera house. >> i wanted to get into something sexier for you. >> next time, we'll introduce you to the rest of them. as you'll hear, many of them like this doctor claim they're innocent. >> oh, man. >> for information on how to protect children from internet predators, log on to our website. you'll find a complete online safety guide for parents and teenagers. the address is dateline.msnbc.com. for all of us at nbc news, thanks for watching.
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