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>> junk food companies are acting very much like tobacco companies did 30 and 40 years ago. >> our kids deserve better! that does it for "the cycle." "now" with alex wagner starts now. joo eric shinseki is out! how long is the wait time for meaningful change at the v.a.? it's friday, may 30th. and this is "now." >> he offered me his own resignation and i accepted. president obama announced he accepted the resignation of v.a. secretary eric shinseki . >> i will not defend it because it's indefensible. >> people expect our top government officials to be on alert. >> i can take responsibility. >> these are not honorary positions. you're supposed to know what's going on. >> changes in leadership changed the tone. >> for now, the leader that will help move us forward is sloan
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gibson. someone that's been there since february. >> can he deal with this? >> separate from a policy fight this is turning into a political fight. >> today's announcement really changes nothing. >> this is more perilous for the president. >> we'll hold the president accountable until he makes things right. >> if the democrats don't show some crackle in the way they run the government, the american people will have a problem with that. >> this is my administration and i take responsibility for whatever happens. >> after weeks of reports detailing widespread dysfunction and shocking wait times, amid a rising tide of indignation, today a new chap 2er was opened at the department of veteran's affairs. following a meeting with eric shinseki president obama announced the five-year cabinet secretary world resign. >> last week i said that if we found misconduct it would be punished and i meant it and a few minutes ago secretary
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shinseki eoffer med his own resignation. he does not want to be a distraction. i accepted. his priority is to fix the problem and make sure we get what we they'd. that was rick's judgment on behalf of his fellow veterans. and i agree. we don't have time for distractions. we need to fix the problem. >> the president announced that the v.a.'s number two sloan gibson would serve as the temporary head of agency, gibson served as deputy secretary of v.a. since february. he's a west point graduate and served as an infantry officer in the raerm and chief executive of the u.s.o. and spent over 20 years working in the banking industry. gibson's post as the head of the embattled agency will not be easy. the v.a. has been plagued by 15 years of spiralling bureaucracy, widespread mismanagement and severe shortages of critical personnel. which is to say say nothing of
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the political head wabds. the partisan wrangling over the v.a. health system is far from over. >> general shinseki has dedicated his life to our country and we thank him for his service. his resignation, though, does no not absolve the president of his responsibility to step in and make things right for our veterans. until the president outlines a vision and an isktive plan for addressing the broad dysfunction at the v.a. today's announcement really changes nothing. >> joining me now is nbc news political director and chief white house correspondent chuck todd host of "the daily rundown." john boehner says it changes nothing. does it solve any of the president's political problems? >> i think it does give him time and space. and it was basically, headed to this on behalf of his party. you had too many democratic senators who are running in tough re-election fights. three of them were facing tv attack ads.
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begich alaska. on the v.a. everybody so they had to rip off the bandaid. it was a totally, politically, i think, pressure cooker that the president was in and he had to deal with it and ideally they wanted to find somebody and get a replacement and have that ready. that's not the case. they didn't have time to do that. i think timing dictated this a little bit. he's going over the -- the president is going overseas next week. a big remembrance that's very important to a lot of older veterans. d-day. the 70th anniversary. s at the end of the next week. he couldn't let another week go by and having this issue of more people calling for shinseki 's resignation without doing something. he had to rip the bandaid off. the dhaj now is he has to find somebody that's going to come in and be willing to break some eggs and be willing to fix the bureaucracy because it's a huge problem. what's going on, this has been a problem that's befuddled
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multip multiple administrations. the president made a pledge in 'o'8 that he would fix it and the fixes they tried haven't worked. >> the president was asked why kathleen sebelius didn't resign and why eric shinseki did. as you pointed out the pressure from the democrats in the senate seem to be the straw that broke the camel's back. how did it get to that point? do you know what the relations were or communications were between senate democrats on the hill and the white house during the week? >> that's what was so great about the question. the president didn't answer what was obvious. what was the difference? democrats were calling for shinseki 's resignation. democrats were not calling for sebelius' wrestresignation. that's the difference. one resigned in their home of trouble and one didn't. let's get reality out there. when it comes to veterans' impbs number one it's an election year. i think veterans groups in general are very aggressive when
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it comes to making sure that they're at the front of the line when senators and congressmen go home and have their town halls. in general, senators and members of congress are just more responsive. and more nervous, frankly, whenever they hear a complaint from a veteran not to mess up. i think that that's what made democratic senators so politically nervous and why they were so quick to jump. >> real quick, chuck. the president is leaving it up to attorney general holder as to whether the doj pursues i criminal investigation. do you have any sense of headwinds or the tailwinds in terms of moving that forward? >> i think the criminality would be defrauding the government out of bonus money. like, essentially, where's the criminal element. you would assume that's where they would aim. i imagine the fact that he said it like he did is that the ig turns over the report to the justice department and they make a decision about what to pursue
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criminal charges but i think in many ways, that probably, whether -- even if it happens that probably decreases in the amount of attention. i think now the question is, can you fix this system? is this a bureaucracy that you can change? cultural issues and that's where you have to go back to. can they fix 24? and can they find the right leader that's willing to beat up the political system? and i say "political" not in a partisan way but sort of an entrenched nonpartisan political type of system. >> one high-profile thing. secretary jay carney, what's the deal with that? totally under the radar. nobody had any idea that would happen. dropped on a friday. why is the reality? >> if you look at the exprags dates of press secretaries going through you name it, but particularly in the television age, ever since we've gone to this daily briefing televised format, which is really only
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began under mike mccurry and clinton, if you notice, there's a life expectancy as press secretary of no more than about three years. and jay carney had been doing it for three or so and in many ways this is not a surprise that at some point this year he was going to end up looking for a way out. he himself, had been in the administration. more than five years and frankly, there aren't many political appointees that close to the president or vice president that have been in this west wing for more than five years. so i think when you start looking at it that way it isn't a surprise. i think the surprise was, perhaps, it was josh that they tapped. >> and now all josh is going to have to face -- joining me now from baltimore, is retired u.s. army captain westmore and from washington senior military correspondent
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david wood. dave, let we start with you. in terms of sloan gibson. given the extent and depth of these problems and the fact we have reports going back to 1999, that detail problems at the v.a., can these problems be solved, not by one person but even in one administration? is there even time left before 2016 to solve these problems in a systemic fashion? >> in a word? no. look, one of the most depressing things that happened today was that the v.a. issued its initial report on its first sort of quick look at all the v.a. medical facilities to see exactly what the problems were and to suggest some solutions. they found, of course, that cheating on the waiting list was widespread and pervasive. but they also asked people, what is the problem? whooz there such a problem w9 waiting list? why do you feel you have to fudge the numbers? the resounding answer was -- we
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don't have enough clinical health care providers. we don't have enough doctors and nurses. so when you look at the report that the v.a. issued today, about how they're going to fix this problem, not a word about hiring more doctors or nurses. the only reference ikd find in the report they issued this morning was they said, we're going to accelerate care to veterans. you know, that's the same old stuff we've been hearing for decades. so i think they don't get it yet. >> what's shocking is "the new york times" has a timeline of the number of reports that have been released over the past 15 years, in 1999. a government accountability office report said that the waiting time to schedule primary and specialty care has increased. in 2001, there was an i.g. report detailing patients who had to wait up to 730 days for appointments. there was this 2001, 13 years ago. nothing seems to have changed. the scope of the problems is the
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same. the type of the problems is the same. as a veteran and someone who served in our military, how much did you know about this? how much had you heard about problems in the v.a. health system? >> it's amazing. this is not a new phenomenon. we had four secretaries of the va skins 9/11. and as it was too early but these are massive structural problems that people have felt and felt for a very long time. one thing we know about it is not only -- this is not a day of celebration or not about where because general shinseki is no longer the chief this will change. nor is it about pumping more money into the system. in 2004, the budget for the entire v.a. came in at$64 billion. for the proposed budget next year just for health care among v.a. is $68 billion. so this isn't something we can just throw more money at and solve the problem. there will structural
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deficiencies in the system that we have to be able to attack and tackle and be serious about. >> dave, you asked a very important question in your profile of eric shinseki today. why was this happening? there was conservatively an incentive structure that made people less forth coming in terms of mistakes and problems inside their respective offices and you know a third of the 330,000 employees at the v.a. are in the health system are eligible for retirement including 50% of the department's senior executives. telling us more about that. >> well, i think one of the problems was that eric shinseki grew up in an army, a post vietnam army that ran on brutal honesty. the lesson out of vietnam was we can't keep on lying to ooirsslike this. it's dangerous and soldiers die. commanders could absolutely rely
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on the word of their subordinates. he carefully set this up and expected people to meet. they couldn't meet them because as i said, there's simply a shortage of health care providers. and so, they had to cheat. he didn't know that. i think he was sandbagged by a lot of this stuff. and it's just tragic. but here's the real problem. as wes indicated, management system within the v.a. is totally dysfunctional and, in fact, if you go back to 1956, and read the blue ribbon commission on the v.a. chaired by omar bradley, a world war ii hero, what he said was that the v.a.'s management system is backwards. we have to tear it apart and redo it. that wasn't done. and we're reaping the problems
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today. >> wes, in the interest of not being totally pessimistic and bereft of ideas of how to fix this, one thing that seems like an immediate if not a patchwork fix or i don't know how long you can have a medical surge. something that the president alluded to when he announced eric shinseki 's resignation, look at their caseload for the doctors. each doctor is responsible on average, for over 2,000 patients. one would think, you know, there could be a call put out to the medical community serving america's veterans is a patriotic duty and that i would expect that there would be plenty of doctors who would volunteer in wake of this and hearing the stories. tens of thousands, veterans, waiting for basic health care. >> you're right. and the fact is, there's some organizations, service organizations that have been fulfilling this need. look at the work of like "operation men" in california doing plastic surgery work on vet advance severely burned and
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disfigured by actions of the war but the truth is, even if we did that that still meets a certain capacity and it still needs a certain growth of structure and that lack of infrastructure that's there really has to be address addressed. even if there is patchwork being done to try to keep up with the massive backload. >> before we go, real quick, where do you stand here? you've been covering vets' issues. you won the pulitzer prize for coverage. where are we going to at this point? >> well, into a morass. i think what will happen is unless congress busts expectations and buckles down and does some hard bipartisan work we're in for more problems. i don't think you can fix irrelevant quickly. >> wes moore and dave wood, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. after the break, allen west, phil robertson and donald trump. these are the men taking the stateme stage at the republican
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leadership conference. we weigh in on the highs and the very, very lows of the gop. that's next on "now."
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>> i'll si this, i'll do a hell of a great job. >> that was donald trump speaking a few hours ago at the annual republican leadership conference in new orleans. as usual, the party struggled to reconcile the necessity of appealing to an increasingly diverse electricity rat while also appealing to a base that's terrified of that very thing. kicking things off yesterday was
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the rnc chair. >> we're the party of freedom and the party of opportunity. we're the party of equality. we're the ones with that history. >> following his reminder that the gop wasn't always like it is today. louisiana governor bobby jindal. >> i'm tired of those saying that they're for tolerance. they're for diversity and they are, unless you happen to disagree with them. let's be very clear about this. the left wants to silence anybody that has a different view and a different perspective. >> how fitting then, that jindal was followed by a man who has made headlines for his own spectacularly unique brand of intolerance and ignorance. a man who last year compared homosexuality to beastality and wondered allowed whether african-americans were happier preentitlement, prewelfare in the good old days of jim crow. "duck dynasty" star phil
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robertson. >> i guess the gop may be more desperate than i thought to call somebody like me. >> indeed! the gop may be more desperate than we all thought. we have the editorial director at huffington post, howard fineman. howard, why is donald trump taking the stage at a republican leadership conference? >> well, because he's there. he's got his hair. he's got his future. he's got his presidential candidacy in his own mind. he's got money. and he's, i guess, entertaining. it's fascinating to me as you look ahead to 2016, actually, alex. who is showing up there and who isn't. donald trump. ted cruz, rick santorum. rick perry and bobby jindal are there. mar mar
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marco marco rue beyou and chris country city is not there. and they used to be called the southern republican leadership conference and i attended many of them. they've taken the word "southern" out because in many respects, that old -- that modern southern place of the party, has been transformed into the tea party base and that's who you're seeing in new orleans right now. that's why donald trump and phil robertson are right at home. >> but why -- this is the person that's sort of been trying to push the party toward a more moderate stance or at least, the veneer of a modern stance. he's he's been hone this is project and enlisting minorities and get gay folks. minorities, women, gay folks. i'm not saying effectively, why even let phil robertson take the stage? doesn't that just set them back another, i don't know, 50 years? >> of course. i think he probably thought he was being very shrewd by being bringing fort the guy that said
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maybe blacks would have been happen her during slavery to declare as robertson did last night, that the color of your skin does not determine your character and we're all us gods children are one under the sun. he thought maybe that was some kind of coup. i think he may -- he can talk the talk. but the fact is. the location of this event. the history of this event. the nature of the party today. it is what it is. to oversimplify, only slightly, it's a party of southern white males. that is their strength at times. and certainly, during the party building time of ronald reagan it was a sensation as democrats left in the south. left at the democratic party and went the republican party. but what was a sensational building effort by them, has turned into the thing that's
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holding them back he can say anything he wants but the party is what it is until it takes actual actions to change things and that, they've not yet done at all. >> you had a list of the players and clowns and the people that may stand a chance of bombing nominees and that will sort of move the goalpost to the right in the nominating process. what about bobby jindal. he proclaimed yesterday that he's a aristocrat and at a moment when this party is trying to move away from the fringes of the extreme religious rite, bobby jindal forces the party back to an uncomfortable position but you can't completely write him off in terms of being a national candidate. >> you're right, alex. he's the one guy in what you call the clown category. he thinks he can bridge the gap. partly because of his immigrant heritage. because i think his thinking is that he can tack to the right as the cristocrat, and that's language headed directly for the
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iowa cause kasss. the cristrocrats are. because of his heritage and ivy league background and his sort of technocrattic appeal to some people that he can some tact back to the middle and general election. that's clearly what he's up to and that's clearly why this was called the republican leadership conference. not just southern. because jindal thinktion he can appeal to the whole country, eventually, we'll see. the problem is, the tolerance, the idea of tolerance, is not segregat segrega segregatable. it's about race and gender and sexual orientation and it's about a whole lot of things and the republicans don't really quite get that yet. >> the only thing i see this crowd winning is the hair olympics. the huffington post, howard fineman. thank you as always. actor, producer, okay median, mindy kalen gives the
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attack on the american consulate and hits back at her relentless republican critics. quote, i will not be a part of a political slug-fest on the backs of dead americans. it is just plain wrong and it's unworthy of our great country. those who insist on politicizing the tragedy mr. have to strateg to do so without me. they fully intend on the continuing clete with flyers and hash tags and fight-night twitter glasks but team clinton is determined not to rel gate the former secretary to the role of punching bag. in addition to the early release nbc learned clintonland has commissioned top strategists to deploy and prep tv surrogates around the book's benghazi chapter amid looks that clinton enjoyed an informal lunch with president obama at the white house just yesterday. in a taped interview that aired earlier today he was asked about his former primary rival turned cabinet secretary?
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>> i don't know what she'll decide to do but i don't know if she were to run for president i think she would be very effective at that. >> speaking of t vmplt chit chat. clinton takes her side of the story to the perpetual benghazi machine, fox news, in a sit-down interview set for next month. joining me from philadelphia, ed rendell and from the white house, washington bureau chief from bloomberg, jonathan allen co-author of "state see yets and the rebirth of hillary clinton." governor rendell, our resident clinton expert on the show. is this the move of someone not running for president? does this not guarantee the fact that hillary clinton is going to be a candidate in 2016? >> certainly it's a step in that direction. i don't think there's any guarantees in life alex. >> who would roll this out in such a fashion and not run for president? do you really think there's a possibility that this is just to quash the benghazi stuff? >> no. i think people are concerned.
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i'm never going to run for office again but when anything says anything inan rat about my time in office i push back and i psh back hard. we're interested in making sure that the facts about what we did and didn't do get out there. look, let's asunl she's a candidate. this is good strategy. particularly going on fox. i love that. when i was if dnc chair i went on fox all the time. if the democratic feud was going to be presented by someone i wanted it to be presented by myself. >> jonathan, the rollout this week and in the recent weeks, has been tremendous and highly coordinated. on mother's day, there was an excerpt of the book in vogue and a video on how she wrote the book that appeared on people's website. this week there was the author's note released on tuesday, a video on the facebook page. wednesday, a ban gentleman zee excerpt and today an interview with diane sawyer. clintonland seems to be operating at full capacity. what does this tell us about a potential 2016 bid? >> if her 2008 campaign had gone
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as well as this book rollout she'd be finishing up her second term in the white house. she's operated on all cylinders right now. >> governor, let me ask you. when you hear clinton say, as she did, to gop lawmakers, many of these same people are a broken record -- sorry, regarding the republican inquisition on benghazi. many of these same people are a broken record about unanswered questions but there's a difference between unanswered questions and unlistened to answers. who do you think she's talking to when she says that? is she talking to republicans or is she talking to sort of john could y john coup public. >> i think they should have had the answers by they in they were going to get them. she's talking to lindsey graham who went on with a discredited reporter and said the discredited reporter proved certain facts about benghazi after she had been discredited.
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so i think the republicans have made a hash of this and i think the public, frankly, is sick and tired of all this stuff when we don't have an immigration bill. we don't have a jobs' bill and or a transportation bill. those are things the public wants to see done for this country. this finger-pointing and political game-playing, i think nobody's buying it except the far right and i don't think too many of them are going to vote for hillary if she runs anyway. >> we know clintonland is dispatching surrogates to help media train over the benghazi issue. how much appetite is there for that? how much do democrats actually want some talking points from the clintons at this point? >> absolutely. i think the democrats how act as surrogates for her, not only during this book rollout but in the presumptive presidential campaign, face it, she's running right now. she could at some point decide to pull the plug on a candidacy but she's doing everything she can do to run right now. democrats want to hear this talk.
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they were to have something to say for her. >> governor, we'll be speculatingbility this until there's actually a candidacy announced or effective quashed. i have to read this. presidential polling now is like getting someone to eat an apple and to eat a bag of flour and then asking if they like the taste of the apple pie you plan to make next year? which is to say, nobody knows what the dynamics are truly going to be like in 2016. and yet, the thing we're told over and over again about potential clinton candidacy is that she wants to be sure she can win. do you think that's true? no. >> i think hillary's been around long enough to know there's never any certainty that you can be sure you're going to win. there's so many thingsing that happen outside the realm of the campaigns. your other guest is right. the campaign they ran in 2008 wasn't good tim about the time we got to ohio and texas and
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then pennsylvania. we were hitting on all cylinders but the campaign wasn't good and that's always a variable and their u outside eventsing that affect it. hillary is smart enough to know. no guarantees, none, ever. >> jonathan, you're standing on the north lawn of the white house. and i feel like we're -- it's a study in contrast today in terms of crisis management. both the way the clintons deal with a looming crisis and the way this white house has dealt with their own crisis at the v.a. to what degree -- we know the president and hillary sat down yesterday. what do you get -- what sense do you get regarding their relationship? and advice giving either way? >> well, i'm not sure that they can give each other a whole lot of big-life advice. these are two pretty high lay-competent and trained professionals and i think what happened with the corporation of hillary working for barack obama, they developed a friendship. i'm not saying they'll vacation together in the ham tongs any
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time soon but they obviously get along pretty well and it's good timing for hillary clinton to talk to the president. wouldn't be surprised if she slipped him a copy of the book thousand that they're available to a limited few people. >> he got more than the excerpt, you're say something. >> sure. at this point they're two weeks from release. she's got copies and having produced a book myself, nz the point at which you have the book so i wouldn't be surprised if she gave him one. the "people" magazines photo that let the news media know about the fact that she was going to be at the white house yesterday. a little bit of this is book promotion stuff going on and the president of the united states said she would be very effective if she ran for president. didn't make clear if he thought president or candidate my guess is he'd say both. he's not giving those endorsements to vice president joe biden who he has twice told the american people is the next best person to be president behind him. i think that's very, very telling right now that democrats where trying to unify behind hillary clinton. at least, establishment democrats, probably a lot of
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folks watching the show that work the case at the moment but right now it is. >> governor, how bummed with you joe biden the president and hillary clinton had lunch yesterday? >> i think joe is a realist. i think joe is doing the same thing that hillary is doing. he's doing all the things to prepare for a candidacy. if hillary runs i think joe's smart enough to pull the plug. his fundraisers or her fundraisers. his supporters. people like me who love to support joe biden for president if him hillary wasn't running are emotionally attached to hillary and joe is a good politician and he can read polls and he can total up the score so i don't think joe is going to run if hillary runs but he's doing the things necessary to hang in there. just as hillary is doing those things, and if she decides to pull the plug, she'll pull the plug. >> just in case, joe, governor ed rendell, thank you for you time and thank you to jonathan allen author of "hrc, state see yets and the rebirth of hillary clinton."
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>> difficult, pushy, unpopular, polarizing, all words to describe jill abrahamson amid news of her abrupt firing. aday after her depar sure she appeared with the caption, mom's bad ass new hob by on her daughter's famous instagram feed. what would happen if abrahamson punched holes in the wall. in the case of the man named,
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the response is basically, bros will be bros. >> i should have a lawyer with me for this part. shoochbt i somei have a temper. in each case. we should have somebody ahead of me. >> another fact? nobody called him pushy. instead, he was described by colleagues as passionate. joining me now, the editor and chief of glamour magazine, cindy levy who launched this series and i was lucky enough to participate. we need to be talking more about women in the workplace. what are your thoughts on this whole exchange? the revelations? punching holes in the office walls?
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>> it was extremely confusing. that's honestly what i hear most from young women. they're kind of confused about what they're supposed to be acting like as a woman leader. you can't be too soft or too kind or too gentle because people will think you don't have the graff taus to lead a company but if you're difficult like jill is accused of being, then you're out. >> one has a hard time imagining a woman who, if she had punched a hole in the wall, who would not be wroundly criticized, if not dismissed for that behavior and yet, from him, it's passion. almost a badge of on november. >> i think she might be thought of as a little bit crazy. i think that's how it would be seen. in the middle of all this discussion about how we as women should lean in, you know, and we have to talk about, well, what happens when we lean in? lean into the wall and punch a hole through it. >> but, you're a wordsmith and you deal with editorial and
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adjectives all the time. the huffington post has a graphic of adjectives used to describe female leaders and women in powerful positions and they're not good. icy, shrill, ruthless, and we're cognizant of this. how much do you sort of keep that in the back of your mind when you think and talk about women? >> this language is loaded. i need to be more careful. >> yes. words like "pushy" are very warm airily used to describe men. that's what you need to look for as an editor and writer, am i describing this woman with a word i'd never use to describe a man in the same position? there's no research at georgia state university that shows women are twice as likely to both be described in ak decembering papers and pushy as men and men were likely to be described as condescending. if you think about it, the word condescending still implies that the person being condescending has power. if you're pushy you are just acting like you have the power.
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you don't really have the power so language is important. but the most important thing is for us to be talking about this because it makes people self-edit a little bit better. >> we were talking a few weeks ago from the "journal of language and social psychology" about how women treat each other. the fact is women are interrupt mord across the board. but women interrupt other women mr. than men interrupt women. >> and women, i think, one of the interesting questions is -- is the fact that women are being interrupted more than men the reason that women are still not talking as much in classrooms, on tv shows and in boardrooms and all of that? are we starting to self-sensor because we realize people will cut us off? but i think the message to women has to be, don't worry about it. you'll be interrupted just learn to hold your own in a debate. >> as we were talking about, keep talking if someone interrupts you. >> the most awesome thing. >> i was very careful to not -- try not to interrupt you. >> this is an awkward segment
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for that reason. >> in the series "step into my office" what are you hearing from what young women want to know about women in the workplace. >> everybody wants a mentor and we hear that's so important. you can see most powerful women, women in top jobs have had someone champion them. no one knows how to find a mentor. it's difficult to sort of walk into somebody's office who might be very busy and say, will you mentor me? the message for women is you have going about it in sort of small bites. to ask somebody whether they can spechbt a little bit of time with you, take them for coffee as opposed to makele it a life-long commitment. >> i say punch a hole in the wall. >> no better way. >> don't! don't! cindy, thank you so much as always for you kind thoughts. after the break, congressman paul ryan and former congressman anthony weiner separated at birth? details on that coming up next.
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i can see this twice now. i have no idea how that happens. >> that was congressman paul ryan this week describing one of the two times he's been mistaken for disgraced new york congress nan eric tweeter and failed mayoral candidate, anthony weiner. it's not that much of a stretch to think the two could be estranged siblings. and while at odds politically, they share a pension for flexing in front of the camera. neither man is welcoming the double take. weiner said being compared to paul ryan is quote, the final insult and added, how much more can i bear? yes, anthony weiner has already
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beared quite a lot. in fact, some would say, way too much. that's all for now. see you back here on monday at 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans and welcome to "the ed show", live from detroit lakes, minnesota. i'm ready to go. let's get to work! joe the middle class is back yauf shore and we have to prevent that from happening. >> where are the jobs? >> we're putting folks back to work rebuilding america. >> where are the jobs? >> millions of jobs have been lost. have been sent offshore. jobs -- >> the resolution of that agreement will mean real job growth. >> i think the american people would say, absolutely not! >> the american people, creating jobs, not destroying

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