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good afternoon, i'm abby huntsman. as we come on the air today, not to be outdone by isis for head lines, al shabab is calling for attacks on the mall of america. it came in a video from this man with a british sounding accent calling for supporters to carry out attacks in america and british colombia and london. it is home to the largest somali american population and a hotbed for recruitment. many have been known to join al shabab and others isis. al shabab has been on the terror list since 2008 and believed to be behind the attack on the u.s. embassy in kenya. 67 people were killed. a month later navy s.e.a.l. team six failured to capture the
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team. and isis al shabab and polk are the new face of terror. jeh johnson is warning us to be vigilant. >> these groups are relying more and more on independent actors to become inspired and drawn to the cause. >> through the internet. >> and through small-scale attacks on their own. i'm worried about the serious potential threat of in dependent actors here in the united states. we've seen this in europe and in canada. >> the new pentagon secretary ash carter is meeting with ambassadors in kuwait and four-star generals. >> it will require a combined diplomatic and military effort. that was abundantly confirmed by our discussion. >> the president today extended the national emergency declaration for libya and said libya's lack of stability is a threat to our national security.
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libya is where isis linked militants have created another strong hold and executed two dozen christians. this is in addition to the war powers president obama is asking congress for to fight isis. also on the radar today is the department of homeland security funding. it is set to run out at midnight on friday. and it could not come at a more dangerous time. >> unless congress acts one week from now more than 100,000 dhs employees, border patrol inspectors, tsa agents will show up to work without getting paid it. will have a direct impact on america's national security because their hard work helps to keep us safe and as governors you know that we can't afford to play politics with our national security. >> the senate is being called to session right now and they have a vote set at 5:30 eastern to move toward passing the bill. it is the fourth attempt to do so but it expected to fail again. we start with nbc's john yang
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outside of the mall of america. what is the mood there? are shoppers hesitant? >> abby maybe it is terror threat fatigue but it is business as usual here at mall of america. there is increases security and foot patrol canine units checking the mall out. but it is not overwhelming. it is not over-powering. they are continuing that message of vigilance, message boards inside of the mall reminding people if they see something, say something. but foot traffic is about normal according to the store managers i talked to. we talked to one family who spent the weekend shopping here from kansas. interestingly enough the husband served in the army and a guard at guantanamo. he thinks americans are getting tired of all of this. the threats from cowards he said, in the middle east and he just wants america to get on with their lives and wants to get on with his life.
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abby. >> john yang thank you for that. and a man who knows firsthand what is happening, my dad, former governor john hunts zs huntsman, it is great to have you on. >> this is the most intimidating moment for me. >> because krystal is back. quite an intimidating figure. and so al shabab is calling for an attack on the mall of america. and this is just the latest in dealing with terror and this makes us question how well are we prepared the governors and the mayors in dealing with an attack like this. and as a governor are we prepared for this. >> i don't think anybody is prepared heaven for bid for this, and we are better prepared before 9/11. there is more cooperation between the mayors and the
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governors associations and they talk about this stuff and they are hitting a higher standard and all of that is good. and we need to take these kinds of threats very seriously. what we are hearing from al shabab isn't anything new. they want to achieve a couple of things. one, they trying to inspire a copy cat event something similar to the shopping event in nairobi where people died in 2013 and second they are trying to wreak economic havoc with the united states than what better way to go after shoppers and malls and hit the consumer side of our economy and they know it has a real impact. so it is real and has to be taken as such. it is unfortunate we're having these acrimonious discussions about talking about homeland security at this time of national security emergency. but i would say at the local levels abby we're as prepared as we've ever been prepared before. >> is this dinner table
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conversation. >> i would like to be a fly on the wall there. >> it is. >> and speaking about the political fight over dhs funding, as abby said running out on friday at midnight and we had this showdown because of this point over immigration and using this funding as the vehicle to make the point. is that the right place to have that debate? >> well there are concerns -- their concerns are justified in minds around the executive orders as it pertains to immigration and 4 million people immediately impacted by it so they are tieing it into homeland security. this is a loss for my party, the republican party, if in fact funding or a fix isn't achieved by friday. because i don't think this are a whole lot of americans in this country who want to see anybody playing politics with something as important as funding for our domestic security. so my guess is we'll see what we always see in this these situations unfortunately and that is kicking the can down the
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road. that is the modus opnner endy. and this is our in ability to solve the big problems that stand before us and in this case immigration. because it has gone so long without any kind of fix or solutions. this is now an out-growth of a broken immigration system. to get to where we need to be you have a whole cue of big things to fix from entitlement to immigration. >> and we'll be dealing with this for a while and the next president, he or she and perhaps the president after that and the more we attack them, the more recruiting tool they get out of that but there is no nation we can rely on to handle some of the battle. it permanent war, is that inevitable for america and detrimental for america? >> i think a long-term commitment to security in the
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region is a part of our lives. i have lived and abby lived in asia several times and we have a security presence in japan and korea and a security presence in europe since 1945. whether you like it or not, america is an insurance policy for most of the world. and you can debate it and you can discuss the merits of it but it is very real. what we are facing now with in north africa and the middle east you have states with no legitimacy and they run from libya to iraq and syria and now yemen. and until such time as you are able to get political legitimacy where citizens can feel good about belonging to their country and feel some pride in pledging allegiance to that country and find opportunity you'll have a huge problem. so the security side is one aspect and united states has to play a role and the united states can play a role with the second one too, and that is working with the allies, the key
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players in the region and israel has to be part of that as well in working toward governance transparency and bringing lentility massey to the areas responding real bad behavior and that is a long term slog but the united states has to be involved in that. >> when you look at the work that isis is doing, what is the metric you would use to assess it as a threat and as it claims to be a nation state and an em emmy. and you work -- worked with japan and other great rivalryies for the united states, and there are reports they are losing on the battlefield even as the u.s. has the shock wave of reaction to the videos. >> and you have china which you can see through the traditional power politics and isis which is out of the modern world and an extension of the diffusion of power that we've seen. the rise of -- of social media. the ability for somebody to call
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for a revolution and people show up. we've never seen that phenomenon before. and now you have a group rise up that isn't a nation state but it controls a territory as large as many states here in the united states. they have funding through oil and through islamic charities out of the gulf primarily and bringing people in and they have a claim against the united states and the west and as such we have to take it seriously and work not only unilaterally but indeed with our allies to make any progress against it. but i would say by virtue of the expansion now into north africa we've seen what happened most recently in libya, you can't under-state the threat regional regionally and domesticicly and whether you are a republican or a democrat not the rudy giuliani conversation, but this is the conversation. >> and you mentioned libya, they have been silent and why? shouldn't they have a role?
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>> they'll have to have a role and they'll have to have a global responsibility and they have a large muslim population that has been there for a millennia and there are some issues there that the chinese don't like to talk about but are very real. and so it is in their interest to be part of the broader conversation on counter-terrorism and fan at isism because it will increasingly impact there. and they are just beginning to feel their way around the world on issues other than trade and economics. china is a transactional company and most of that is trade and economics. they've shy add way from -- even though they've contributed to u.n. peace keeping and anti-piracy in the gulf and that is good but they need to take baby steps in that direction. >> dad, you will stick with us. and we'll let you know what really happens at the huntsman dinner table. we'll take a quick break.
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president obama just wrapped up his four-day annual meeting with governors, including with the hopeful scott walker. he said the national attention on wisconsin and his recall election prove he is ready for a facial race but he has hit some rough spots recently ducking questions about evolution and then saying this weekend, he
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just doesn't know whether president obama is a christian or not. and all of that has some conservatives there questioning whether walker is up to the higher pressure of a presidential campaign. well governor jon huntsman is here with us and peary bacon, and we were talking about no matter how high profile of a governor you are, this pre-presidential race period is still a lot of pressure. >> oh, enormous pressure. and so what we're experiencing now is called the invisible primary. and the invisible primary is a period during cl you raise money and -- during which you raise money and hire staff and get buzz and make mistakes early on and learn from those mistakes so you don't get tripped up later on but there is a period some of them are in where you are expected to make a few mistakes and learn from the mistakes and be better and stronger forward. but i think the republican field
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is a strong one and you have good governors and the good news about that is that governors are a proven commodity. you know what you get. they have a track record. they have a governing style and a temperament and a list of successes and failures and a different approach tort getting things done with problem solving. so on the republican side i think the party is well served by the slate that is now out there. >> and perry, your view on that slate and how scott walker is doing? >> this is not a great moment for scott walker. and agree with mr. hunter this is a stronger field than 2012. >> hey, hey. that was one notable exception. >> there were people who were running for tv shows more than president in 2012. that is aside of governor huntsman and romney. but i would say that rudy giuliani said something that was
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deplorable and the other candidates did not enforce it. and these are easy questions in february. whether scott walker is ready or not is too early to know. but is obama crist yap is not a -- christian or not is not a hard question. yes. he created a controversy where one is not needed. >> i think the original comment is not a mistake. but rudy giuliani is not running and scott walker is and all of the candidated had to answer the question do you think barack obama loves america and is a new spiritual birth and everybody has to touch on it, do you think the president is a citizen of america. it is funny but there is a loud dog whistle with both of those things. and why is this abject hatred of the president still discourse? >> it is silly we are having this conversation and focusing on these sound bites. and for a guy like rudy giuliani who served this city during a
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time of need and respected by people to say those kinds of things is unmanageable in my mind and now you have the candidates who can deal with it as they plaesz -- please. i think marco rubio handled it well. the president love this is country and we won't get into that. i just don't happen to agree with his policies and here is what i propose to do. that is an example of somebody who turns the lemon into lemonade and so lesson learn. >> answer quickly and move on with life. perry, the governor was talking about this invisible primary and folks make mistakes and you learn from them and move on. how much impact does a major misstep here by scott walker how much of those things have an impact on the way things develop? >> they don't until it is a big one. political science shows that we in the media cover guffaws and
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the 44% show he was going to lose any way, but when rick perry couldn't remember his close and reinforcing if he is smart to be president but he has to start answering questions. the i'm punting on things becomes maybe you don't know what you are talking about and that is the issue. but right now it is early. >> and can i say, abby i'm going to punt on that one. you have to be able to do better than that. >> especially over in the u.k. trying to move you have more than just the governor of wisconsin. >> and then again this is an example of new-comers to the national stage venturing forward. you know how to control things in your own state and you know the local reporters and the issues extremely well and scott walker is an example of somebody who has done well and re-elected a few times in his own state and now it is the national stage and you have new things thrown at
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you and new reporters and some actually trying to trip you up. perry of course would never do a thing like that. >> you were a great candidate, mr. huntsman. let's be clear. [ laughter ] >> but, dad, i don't know if you've heard this before some compare you to jeb bush. there are a number of articles about that. but what do you have in common is you've been problem-solving governors. and he has said i'm willing to lose the primary to win the general election. he doesn't seem like the type of guy willing to pander which is how people saw you when you ran last go around. if he sat down with you, give me your advice you just went through this what lessons could you give me. >> my biggest mistake was i didn't put abby out in front soon enough. far be it for me to give jeb bush any advice. we stumbled in our own efforts. he comes along and brings a solid record as a governor and a
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great name and doing out of the ballpark work on fundraising which will carry him out of the primary and into super-tuesday and he can carry his reform on things he is passionate about and he can't step back from that. he will have to articulate about. >> so don't pander. >> where the base can connect in some as pecks, he can't a -- aspects, he can't back away from who he is and what he is passionate about and what he did as a governor. and when i was elected governor the hottest commodity in the country was jeb bush. he was a conservative governor of florida and a good manager and leader. so be who you are, don't leave anybody behind. take iowa seriously, which we didn't do. it is tough to enter with a position that says i'm not if favor of subsidies for soy bean
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farmers. take that seriously from the get go. >> and maybe hire abby huntsman. >> and while you are here there have been reports in utah about republicans talking about you potentially running for senate against mike lee who used to work for you. you have said not likely. but are you leaving the door open for another state run oh, no in the hot seat. >> do i have to speak for me or the family combined? >> no just you. >> let me say, mike did work for me when i was governor and he is an able -- able person. you might not always agree with his approach but he is an able individual. we are not competing in the 2016 election cycle i hope to jump behind people who will be good leaders and problem-solvers through 2016 and where things go from there, i'm in no position. >> so you say abby is running for senate soon.
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>> i don't want to announce something. >> governor jon huntsman -- >> i still love my daughter even though she had her dog at our house she left something behind. >> that is dinner conversation. >> and that leaves a good topic for when you come back. thank you for joining us. and there was plenty of politics to go around at the academy awards. how did the viewers respond? well, the ratings are in. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ mom ] with life insurance, we're not just insuring our lives... we're
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imitation game. >> i would like this moment to be for the girl who is weird or different or doesn't fit in anywhere. stay weird and different and when it is your turn and you are standing on the stage, pass the moment along to the next person. >> and john legend from selma. >> a film based on events 50 years ago but we say selma is now because the struggle for justice is right now. we know the voting rights acts they fought for is being compromised right now in country today. >> and of courseal a hand row inarritu. >> the latest immigrants in this country, i pray they can be treated with the same dignity and respect of the ones that came before and built this incredible immigrant nation. thank you very much. [ applause ] >> so let's spin on the oscars.
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which i thought was an extraordinary show in part because birdman won. i won. because the speeches were deep they were personal and political. sometimes you see something like trayvon happens and the stars from hollywood come out and say, i really care about that and you are like why do you really care about that? i would love to sit down and see where that intersects with you. and this year you saw people graham moore talking about suicide and talking about lives of mexicans in this country and mexico, these are issues that mattered to them as people and artists and that is why it connected for me and the moment of the night came from glory. ♪ when it is all said and done ♪ we'll cry glory ♪ glory ♪ glory
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♪ oh, glory ♪ >> there were people crying in the hall. i think i was almost crying at home. >> it was an unbelievable moment. that was beautiful for me another beautiful moment of the night and another moment from patricia arquette. >> it is time to have wage equality once and for all and equal rights for women in the united states of america. >> my favorite part actually was not even what she said but the reaction of meryl streep and j lo. >> yeah, we deserve more millions. >> but the crazy thing is even when you are at the top of your game in hollywood, we just saw from those e-mails, jennifer lawrence gets paid less than her male co-stars and that is why even in this day and ang it is still -- anyone it is still a problem that resonates.
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>> sometimes the media focuses on things and makes them too big but that hand pumping reaction was great and it was on twitter and facebook and going viral immediately because as you say, it was real. in a night of scripted moments, it was unscripted and awesome. >> and what do you think j lo and meryl streep talk about? >> i want to be there. i want to be in that convo. >> can we do something on the six. >> i want to look at the birdman acceptance speech as well. >> true art, true individual expression as all of the work of these incredible fellow filmmakers can't be compared can't be labelled can't be defeat because they exist and our work only will be judged as
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always by time. >> i love that sentiment and it is obviously tense to say that while you win. because you are like i won, yay, but also i don't believe in this i believe it in enough to take the award and some have passed and he said we can't rate art, that goes against art itself and we do and we did but that was beautiful to me. i love birdman. amazing film. it has been discussed a lot on this show on and off the air that you were predicting birdman and the cycle production team put together notes about this. i want to -- not personal. but they note that birdman only made 37$37 million at the box office and not any acting awards was the hurt locker which people respected but comparisons have been made toure, this is one of the films that won an award and not a lot of people saw and that is surfaced by some including people we work with to chip away at the prediction you made.
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>> that is an assignment ari. >> it sounds like sour grapes but i would point to the great herman edwards who said you play to win the game. >> both solid points and arguments. you know what a lot of people -- a lot of -- a movie lot of people saw was the sound of music, one of my favorite films of all-time. >> that is a good segway. >> so they celebrated their 50 years this year. so they had to do a moment last night. and lady gaga was the woman they chose. at first you are thinking what is julie andrews going to think of this trumpet tattoo on her arm and then lady gaga opens her mouth and this is what happens. ♪ the hills fill my heart with the sound of music ♪ my heart wants to sing every
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song it hears ♪ >> she's amazing. i could talk about lady gaga all day long. we think of her as a pop princess wrapped around with meat. >> wrapped around with meat. a meat dress. wrapped around with meat. that is what people say about her. >> that is what people do say. >> so i had a chance to interview her three weeks ago and she told me a year ago she had an intervention with her team and said i want to be authentic to what i'm talented at is jazz and classical music and we've seen her with tony bennett, this is going to be the new lady gaga. she is one of the most talented people and she talked about hard work and how important it is to find your passion and work hard at that. and we think she is just lucky and she's just really talented but there is a lot of work that goes into that. this girl is incredible. and i thought that moment was a stand-out. >> and you think about her --
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domestic violence is an epidemic that has ruined far too many lives in our country and to stop it we have to understand what it means. and there are disturbing conclusions after a release. they occurred more frequently in
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neighborhoods with poor economic conditions and many women didn't leave their abusive homes simply because they couldn't financially afford to do so. our next guest alana maxwell wrote about in her latest piece for essence magazine. so nice to have you. >> so nice to be here. >> why are black women disproportionately affected here? >> it doesn't have to do with the fact but we're socialized in a certain ways as girls and boys, all races are and not taught what a healthy relationship looks like and that is reinforced by culture in certain circumstances but i think the bottom line here is that black women, we have the highest numbers of sexual assault and that mirrors native women as well. latino women have high rate of sexual assault. so i think that largely the solution to the problem have to do with solving it before the violence occurs and not after the fact. >> these are heart-breaking facts but i'm glad you are here to bring light to the problem and you talk about why the
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problem perpetuates. you write about you should keep it in the family notion that a lot of us have and the distrust of the police that a lot of black and brown folks have. and sometimes this fear even among those who have been victimized of not wanting to get another black men in trouble. that perpetuates the problem. >> that is a real problem. and when i interviewed the commissioner about this report for the piece she said the number that keeps her up at night is 75%. that is the number of homicides, the first contact is a homicide occurs. and there is no prior contact because communities of color have distrust of the police department or won't want to call the police because it will get a family member or a loved one in trouble and sent to jail being part of the mass incarceration issue. >> and another problem that stuck out is the number of women that don't tell anyone or get out because they can't afford to do so.
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42% of family-related homicides occurred in neighborhoods with low income and other things that break my heart. >> and so instead of programs targeted toward domestic violence like they try to solve the problems, let's do a program on why domestic violence is wrong and trying to get women into shelters but instead, what i think was unique about this report was the commissioner was talking about how to solve income inequality by targeting domestic violence survivors and giving them places to live and one of the homelessness is leaving an abusive relationship. and one of the things we have to focus on is tackling domestic violence to then fix the problem of income inequality and the other way around. >> and there is the economic side and how crime happens. one thing i found interesting for people who don't have direct contact with it not police or
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lawyers, the vision of crime is some stranger somebody i don't know will come and get me. that is the type of crime and it is terrible. but a great deal of violent crime occurs between people who know each other, either within a relationship or otherwise, a friendship or a neighborhood. so that is a very different set of triggers. you report in your piece 75% of the family related homicides have no prior police contact. that is separate from economics or money, that means those individuals never reach out for -- i guess the question for your reporting is for what reason? >> to distrust the police and are you going to call them and tell them your father or your uncle or your brother abused you and they might separate you from your family. and something tackling this in the forefront is by providing family justice center as a one-stop shop. you have the prosecutor and
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social services and housing in one place so people can go to one place to get the help they need. >> and unfortunately the statistics here in new york go into what is happening in america. thank you. >> thank you. >> and domestic violence is a major issue in pro-sports. we saw the fallout from nascar when kurt busch was suspended indefinitely and pulled from the daytona 500. aim judge ruled he almost surely choked and beat his former girlfriend last fall. after the break, we'll talk to a professor who has done research on troubling aspects of american athletics and who there is ultimately to blame. and i have cable. (lowe) directv is wireless, so you can put your tvs anywhere without having to look at those ugly wires and boxes in every room. (hs lowe) cable isn't wireless but you just gotta put something in front of them. (lowe) i'm still in awe of how great my tvs look. (hs lowe) and i'm still captain of
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the debate over who will be the number one pick in the nfl draft is perhaps a microcosm of what is wrong with modern sports. will the tampa bay bucs look like the heisman winner or the troubled and wild heisman winner who could have a great procareer if he can keep his self together off the field. but if i say why are we having this debate. people on both sides say it is an easy question. and more on that in modern sports ken shropshire the author of sport matters. >> thank you. >> so welcome. can teams learn to care about character because it is good for
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business when players fulfill their contract and come out and play rather than get suspended or continue to be seduced by ability and go for the guys who aren't such good guys. >> as we saw over the last season. they have to. >> they have to change? >> that is right. there has to be more steps. and the draft, winston versus mariota, and winston the negative character and mariota the sweetheart kind of guy, anybody that takes winston has to be conscious of the extra steps they have to take. here is a guy with a troubled past not unlike many young men of that age or young men or women that get great opportunities at an early age and may not have the guidance they need and they are getting all of this praise for being successful on the field of play or music or whatever it might be. so it is a new moment in time where i think teams are getting even a greater realization that we need to focus on the
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individuals -- >> you have to be counselors as well. >> that is right. and teams have done more training in terms of the personnel on their team. they have player development executives that work with the players. that is the key job across sports to look out for the player off the field and think about the transition after the game. you won't play forever. which is something that these guys -- if you talk to anybody at the combine, none of them were thinking about life after sport. >> and obviously one of the biggest issues that the nfl faces this year was with ray rice and the treatment of domestic violence and a less serious crime than we want it treated as and a culture toward women that is sometimes problematic. how do you change that dynamic when this is a sport there are no women playing in. is it important to get women in the upper levels of management and ownership to help shift that view towards women? >> and in the book i talk about that issue. especially in the concepts of
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diversity and inclusion. a lot of sports and enterprises have moves toward being more diverse but do you include the voices you need voices you need and the conversations? are they in theirre giving the kind of guidance provided? >> to that point, i wonder if what we really need to see in professional sports is more diversity at the ownership rank. there are very few black or brown owners in any of the three major professional sports. in the nba, there is one. baseball barely any. do we need to have a change at that level? >> this is kind of a rehash of a book i did 20 years ago. let me see where we are now. that would be great.
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when donald sterling bought his franchise, $20.5 million, it's different now. it is the economics of colored people this time that make it difficult for that transition to take place. it would be great, but it is very difficult to figure out how to make happen. >> from a business perspective, is there something wrong or functioning poorly in terms of how the nfl and these individual teams are operating as businesses? when we think about most publicly traded companies we think about them being answerable to the stock market and consumers. are sports just fitting into the normal business model or is there a failure here at that organizational level? >> i think even more so than shareholders. maybe not the legal connection or the impetus that's there when you have shareholders but fans. when you think about the donald sterling incident the biggest
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reason for movement was that sponsors were moving away. but fans too. fans pulling away and fans in numbers going away. nobody is watching. we don't want to provide the funding for this sport any longer. >> the headlines have been bad for the nfl and college football even, but you look at today -- there are more gay athletes that are speaking out. you also have more black starting quarterbacks than ever before. talk to us briefly about some of the positive things the direction we are moving forward in. >> there is a lot that's positive. we're still looking for sustained progress to take place. when i wrote the original book 20 years ago, i could count the number of african-americans playing quarterback in the nfl. now i have no idea backup and otherwise, on each of the teams.
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this is crazy in a way talking about a little prick called eagle. eagle loves competition, right, because for someone to win, someone has to lose. >> the oscars are always a celebration of hollywood. it's the town's central collective marketing shove. it is a reminder for us to be in
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love with the movies. in 2011 and 2012 the academy gave best pictures to films about actors and film making. the film is the story of a comeback and the film itself has michael keaton, who is a comeback. the majority are older actors. people wondered if "birdman" would be too hip and edgy for younger people to understand. actors of a certain age clearly understand that. last night when "birdman" won for cinematography i knew
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"boyhood" was done. the big man who probably put them all over the top was iman emanuel lebeski, who won last year for gravity. so much of etc. eits intensity comes from the fluid camerawork. the film was a single shot because that best replicates the way we see life at least that's what the director was hoping we'd feel. >> at the end of our life it is just a continuous shot. we wake up in the morning and then we are all day with a steady cam floating and we don't escape. we don't have cut to new york
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raining. we are trapped in our own reality. that's the way we experience our own life. >> the cammererawork was supposed to take us into the main character's loss of grip on reality. most of the scenes took about 20 takes with each one lasting ten minutes. incredible. keaton's unforgettable walk through times square was just two takes with 60 actors. that's where keaton took the big actorly risk that will get at some deeper truths. "birdman" gets at deeper truths. and i will be back again next year to once again predict the
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oscars. >> did keaton win last night? >> he did for best picture. that does it for "the cycle." have a great day. "now" starts right now. calls to attack u.s. targets as homeland security funds run out. it's monday, february 23rd and this is "now." >> we can't afford to play politics with our national security. >> there is heightened security now at the nation's busiest mall. >> terror group al shabaab released a video encouraging people to attack malls. people need to be on their toes. >> this is not the time to have a fight over dhs funding.

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