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hey - shut the blanket! i need my privacy! (vo) don't be a settler. get a $100 visa prepaid card when you switch to directv. tonight while the results are still not known, it looks like we are in a virtual tie. >> so as i stand here tonight, breathing a big sigh of relief, thank you, iowa. >> we had no political organization. we had no money. we had no name recognition and we were taking on the most powerful political organization in the united states of america. >> my young, organizers, with energy and passion. >> now, i have been criticized
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during this campaign for many, many things. every single day. that's okay. that's okay. >> i am a progressive who gets things done for people. >> that is why what iowa has begun tonight is a political revoluti revolution. >> and i am excited about really getting into the debate with senator sanders about the best way forward to fight for us. about last night, good morning, everyone, it's 9:00 on the east coast and welcome to a special extended edition of "morning joe." it is tuesday, february 2nd, and with us we have -- well, nicolle wallace was here on the set but she keeled over so we've propped her up in front of the flash cam. >> it's the palin cam. >> steve rattner is with us,
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associate editor of the "washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson and msnbc -- speaking of propped up. >> wow. >> steve kornacki. seriously? >> you squeezed a couple hours there. >> i don't know what's going to come out of your mouth because you will be punchy. >> i doubt it. >> in washington we have senior political editor and exhaust correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein and in manchester, new hampshire, managing editor of bloomberg politics whose eyes are very red this morning, john heilemann. >> it's a blues brothers look. >> nbc news is calling hillary clinton the apparent winner in iowa but it was gut check night for both campaigns. >> the iowa democratic party says the results are the closest ever in the history of the caucus and the clinton campaign seemed to indicate they had won with precincts still out. as the votes were still being tallied the former secretary of
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state took to the stage, hugged everybody, flanked by her husband and daughter. shortly after their peaches both sanders and clinton boarded chatters on route to new hampshire whereabouts is well ahead in the latest poles. start sanders has already addressed his supporters from the flatbed of a pickup truck in front of about 350 people cheering on. >> i cannot believe that you're here at 5:00 in the morning. something is wrong with you guys. >> we thank you so much. and look -- >> we love you. we love you, bernie. >> i love you, too. do you know what you've heard me a say a million times and let me just say it to you here at 5:00 in the morning, we're in this together. and in the sense bottom of my
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heart no president can do it alone. that's what the political revolution is about. >> so 5:00 in the morning. >> 5:00 in the morning and, gene, i had said i am not going to vote for bernie sanders, but i hope there is a really cool still shot of that scene. >> that's amazing. >> because that is a testimony to the greatness of american politics. >> really. really. >> what an iconic moment in a movement campaign that is truly revolutionary, that is getting on average $27 per donor. >> yeah, i know. all those people out there to meet him, him speaking with the voice hoarse and but yet he's ready to take on new hampshire. it was a moment in american politics. it was amazing. >> steve kornacki, we were obsessed, at least i was obsessed, a lot of people were obsessed on what was happening on the republican side. where was cruz going to get -- by the way, you did an
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extraordinary job breaking that down over the past couple of days. really just unbelievable and going county by county all across the state. i'm curious on the democratic side, though, break that down for us, how did bernie sanders go from 40 points behind when this started to tying last night? where were his pockets of support? where were hillary's and what does that tell us moving forward? >> we don't get the best geographic read on the democratic side. the age gap is enormous on the democratic side. where younger voters are flocking to bernie sanders and hillary clinton certainly doing well with older voters, older voters typically the more reliable for turn out, first time voters an advantage for bernie sanders. also the other thing -- >> how big of a disadvantage for hillary was it as far as first time voters and young voters? what are the numbers? >> it was -- actually i have to look them up, if i'm remembering
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off the top of my head he was ahead by about 20 points with first timers and she was ahead by about 20 points with those who had gone before. the other advantage he had last night was political independents, i think they made up a fifth of the electorate on the democratic side, he had a lead there. the one thing i'm looking at and interesting going forward, you show that scene in new hampshire, he is 20 points ahead in the latest polls in new hampshire. remember what happened in 2008, there is so much of the conversation about the democratic race has been, maybe he could win iowa and new hampshire is next door and then she's got the fire wall in the south. >> right. >> but i'm wondering if something else is happening, something else that happened in 2008, early on in 2008 the in the clinton/obama race a demographic set in, you could say she's going to win west virginia, she's going to win kentucky, obama won't be stoppable in -- i wonder if there is a demographic pattern that emerges here.
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there are a lot of states bernie sanders could gobble up two dozen states. >> john heilemann, also unlike the republican side which changed the rules, republicans have changed their rules again, a lot more winner take all states in '16 than there were in '12. the democrats will have a long protracted battle if bernie keeps raising as much money as he's raising and draws -- he doesn't have to win a state, he can get 45, 46, 47, 48 and just keep sort of pecking away. >> right. 100% right, joe. i think one of the things that got upended last night was the conventional wisdom that because of how fractured and contentious the republican race had been all of last year, everyone assumed, wow, republicans in that race could go on for months and months and months and the democratic race will be relatively simple and quick. after last night i think there is a reasonable chance that the republican race could end relatively quickly and the democratic race could go all the way to june. on the plane last night with
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senator sanders and his wife jane senator sanders came back and made it very clear that on the basis of the strength that he had exhibited last night in iowa, on how well he thought he would do in new hampshire, on the kind of money he has been able to raise and particularly this incredible $20 million haul in january and all coming from -- most of it coming from low dollar donors, he said to reporters last night, he said, i intend to campaign all the way to the end of this democratic nomination fight. i'm not going anywhere. and if you think about him, i don't believe when he first got into this race he thought he really had a great chance to win the democratic nomination. >> right. >> i don't know what he thinks today but i do think he thinks that he wants to prosecute an ideological and substantive argument within the party. he has the resources to do so and because of the nature of the primary system as you said, joe, he can collect delegates all the way through to june even if he's not the nominee, he can be a huge force in this party heading into the democratic convention
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in the summer. >> so then, steve rattner, back to hillary clinton and her apparent victory last night. i think it remains to be seen possibly if that early victory party, so to speak, though she never actually said i won, will pay off. i think we could safely say the clintons know what they're doing, so it might. just as a woman, i liked it because that's what guys do all the time. they say something and that makes it true so why can't a woman do it? >> right. okay. so that's -- >> it was a good night for her and first apparent female winner of an iowa caucus. >> fine. and we can criticize or question the timing of her remarks. >> i'm not sure about it. >> let's move on and talk about what's going to happen because i think john heilemann and others made good points here. one, bernie sanders does represent a feeling in america, a feeling in the democratic party that is real and is serious and something that whoever ends up being the nominee is going to have to take account of. two, i think this could go on for a long time but one thing
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that hasn't gotten much attention, steve will know about this, is that hillary got, i think, 29 delegates and the senator got 21 because of the super delegates, she got almost all the super delegates. remember she has that base as you go around these primaries from one to the next. he could well pick up delegates but i think she is still in a strong position. thirdly, one last thing, i think the democratic side has acquitted itself well in terms of having a substantive debate during this primary season on issues. >> right. >> that said i think as lindsey graham was saying about the republicans, bernie sanders has a choice between being shot and stabbed, i don't think he can win a general election as a social democrat or socialist or whatever it is he says he is. >> so all these potentials that he could perhaps surpass, shoot me if i'm wrong, shoot me down, joe, steve, eugene, steve, nicolle, sam, couldn't elizabeth warren change everything for hillary clinton if she endorsed her? >> totally. >> couldn't it erase the
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problem? >> totally. one of the things i was thinking last night was what if she had gotten in the race? >> oh, my gosh. >> she would be -- >> what if she made her her running mate. >> we would this morning be speaking of her as the favorite to win the nomination. >> my question is why would elizabeth warren at this point endorse hillary clinton because -- >> to be vice president. >> -- it savages her brand with bernie sanders supporters who are for the most part her supporters. >> that was the other question, too. if bernie sanders had come out of iowa with a clear victory last night and then rolled into into a giant win in new hampshire, i think we would be saying is elizabeth warren about to come in and try to do what ted kennedy did for barack obama in 2008 and get behind him? >> so i said two things yesterday morning which i have avenue been saying for i guess the last six months. if trump wins iowa, game over. he runs the board for the first time in republican history. and as mark halperin kept gently
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reminding me nobody has ever done that before in republican history. >> and there's a reason. >> it's just too hard. and there's a reason. part of it is because ted cruz's political sermon last night which helps you win in iowa helps you lose in new hampshire. and it has forever. world without end. amen. the second thing, though, that i believe, gene, is if bernie sanders was going to win the nomination or more importantly if hillary clinton was going to lose the nomination, short of an indictment, bernie sanders needed to win last night. i still this morning -- bernie has done incredible, i'm inspired by his story, but for hillary clinton to lose, not necessarily for bernie to win, bernie sanders needed to win.last night. he needed a w. >> i think that's probably true. you know, and there are some numbers that are coming out that make clinton's prospects look good in the future primaries,
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not a lot of minorities voted in iowa, but apparently among the few that do live there and did vote she was ahead by like 20 points. >> that is no to undercut what i was saying before which is this is going to be a war of attrition most likely going into the summer. it's not going to be easy. but -- >> right. and the democratic party, maybe that's just the way democrats do it these days, all this proportional allocation of delegates and basically all the states means that it's going to last a long time, but we had a long bitter fight in 2008. >> and it made barack obama and hillary clinton a better candidate. >> let's go to the republicans. the iowa republican party counted 180,000 caucus goers, right around 60,000 more than the previous record set in 2012. the top three finisheif i knofi received more votes than the
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previous record set in 2008. ted cruz is the projected winner at 28% with nearly 52,000 votes. the most ever for a republican candidate. while donald trump collected the second most ever with over 45,000, finishing with 24%. and another freshman senator, marco rubio of florida came in third at 23%. looking further down the field, ben carson finished with 9%, senator rand paul with 4%, one point ahead of jeb bush whose campaign and super pac spent over $14 million in iowa. carly fiorina, governors john kasich, mike huckabee and chris christie at 2% each with rick santorum at 1%. notice when you add up all of the support of all four current and former governors it equals the total support of ben carson. in all cruz finished the night with eight delegates, trump and rubio seven each, ben carson three and one apiece for paul,
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bush, fiorina, huckabee and kasich. >> a lot to get to here. a lot to get to. let's start with donald trump and we will go to the numbers, steve kornacki. i said earlier if you had gone to trump's guy and said two months ago, i can give you a magic potion that will give donald trump over 45,000 in the iowa caucus you would say how much. i mean, donald trump got the most votes in the history of the iowa caucus for republicans. >> except for ted cruz. >> which to me is such an indicator of how extraordinary ted cruz's ground game was. >> exactly. also, i mean, the expectations all week leading into this thing were that the higher that turn out number, and you are looking at about 180 there, the higher that turn out number was the better donald trump's chances were because everything we were seeing says said that those first time casual voters would be strongly for donald trump.
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also you saw that evangelical figure was 62%. >> again, explain, if you will, how this separates iowa from all the other states. >> and especially the next one. >> there is a reason why, steve, and explain why rick santorum who won last night is at 1% and didn't win the presidency and huckabee who won in '08 got 2% and is out. >> 62% of the republican electorate last night in iowa, evangelical christian. now, in 2012 that number was 57% when santorum edged up mitt romney, 60% when mike huckabee won it in new hampshire. history says it will be in the low 20s. you will go from a heavily evangelical state to one of the most secular in the country. i was reading i think it was byron york who wrote about this and quoted somebody in iowa that said the guy with the bigger bible always wins and it happened again. >> so let's look, though, at trump. he came in second and he got the
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most votes, except for ted cruz, but his results are historic, too. whether you like it or not. i mean, this has been meet or rick. he has never won a campaign he has never won or lost any type of political race, he never never won election and he was degrade and laughed at when he announced his run by the presidency by practically every analyst in television and print. >> but it's all an expectations game and the "des moines register" poll actually got their revenge on donald trump by saying he was going to win. >> yeah. >> literally. >> and, mika, i don't think anyone has been laughing for a good long while now, they've been doing other things but laughing isn't one of them. i think that you have to look at trump next to rubio because the fact that rubio is only 1 percentage point behind trump shows how miscalculated the expectations game was played.
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trump could have had -- trump could have given rubio's speech and stood up there beaming and said -- and he did it, he did it anyway, but it would have been received in a different manner, we would be having a different conversation. it's one of his first mistake i expect him to correct completely before the next contest, but it's one of his first strategic mistakes that had a consequence in how we cover him, in how we talk about him and how he's positioned going into the next race. >> the thing is i always -- i kept asking, steve rattner, during the campaign, if you are ahead in 49 states and the one state you are not ahead in is iowa, which is 60% evangelical. >> yeah. >> i kept saying on the air, just say reagan won 49 states, that's good enough for me, but konld couldn't stay away. he had to win all 50. and last night, again, he set records, but he got a loss in this column.
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>> i think what you are all saying is exactly right. if you had said before we prayed the expectations game here is this businessman who has come out of nowhere, never run for anything, is going to show up in iowa which is so complicated politically and going to get more votes than the guy that came in and win i think you would say that is amazing. the thing that i found interesting is rubio, he is only a couple thousand votes behind trump. i wonder, steve kornacki, if you have a view as to where did those votes come from? did they come from cruz or trump? >> what he did was there are 99 counties in iowa, marco rubio won exactly five of them last night and the three that's -- it's des moines which is in the middle of the state, two counties, story county, aims, which is a state university in dallas, he focused and took a lot of criticism for this out in iowa, he focused so much of his attention there and a little bit
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on the cities in the eastern part of iowa, he won two counties over there. so he won 5 of the 99 counties and that was enough. he had good margins there, you can see in the middle of the screen and that is that little -- in the far right side of your screen, that was davenport, that's scott county on the mississippi river. so he won there. he concentrated, did he not try to do that full tour of the state that ted cruz was bragging about. >> do we know whose voters those would have been? >> dafb port you're looking at voters that trump was going after and in the middle of the part of the state when mitt romney basically tied santorum in '12 a third of his vote came out of the des moines area, again, that would have been a trump area more likely than a cruz area. >> you look at the eastern side of that map, those four counties on the eastern side, they're catholic, blue collar, that is trump country and the fact that rubio stole davenport from him it's pretty big. >> sam stein, so you look at all
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the numbers and you also have to look at how well trump did and how well rubio did and you have to say the loser also are the iowa voters who claim you have to go to all 99 counties to be competitive in this race because the strong second and the strong third, both of them just sort of pair chuted in and pair chuted out. >> we're we're due for a long talk about why it is that iowa goes first in this process. >> i think we're -- sam -- >> i'm never going to run -- >> sam, i have to say especially on the republican side, i could go back to '76, they got it wrong, they went with reagan. >> correct. >> ford in '80, they went with bush, it was reagan. in '88 the next competitive race, you actually had pat robertson beat bush 41. every time it was competitive
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they picked the loser except for 2000 with bush. >> i think it pulls the republican party in an odd direction and it's also demographically for democrats not the most representative state. i will make two points about last night that i don't think we've really discussed -- i mean, we did discuss cruz's ground game but it was so robust it's hard to overstate it. my colleague talked to this guy who was a supporter for him, he said he got calls that woke him up in the morning, got approached on the streets at work, was called 20 times last week, saw cruz's backers at his grocery store and then saw them again outside his office windows, that's how robust it was. i think something to kick around on the panel is while trump was an incredibly -- he did exceed expectations as of, you know, two weeks ago, however far you want to go back. there is the flip side to it. he also brought out a lot of people who didn't want to see him be the nominee and that is his double-edged sword. some states it works better than
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others for him but there is that element of it and i do think that contributed to the record turn out you saw. >> all that hands on stuff does that sound familiar to you, joe? >> you heard my mom tell the story when i first ran in '94, we called people so much i would actually walk through, i'd say how is it going two days before the election and he said if they call us, they said they supported us, but if they call again they will vote against you, they said call them three more times. i'm serious, we kept calling and kept calling and kept knocking and kept calling and kept calling and that story about ted cruz, what you just said, that story about ted cruz, it's just remarkable. the ground game is remarkable and you do wonder whether he can convert that -- he can't convert it in new hampshire, i don't know if he can do it in south carolina but in the deep south certainly going to do very well in texas. ted cruz's problem is republicans have winner take all
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states. ted cruz isn't going to win florida and he won't win a lot of them. he will win texas, but he narrowly type cast himself last night to win an iowa caucus. we will see if he can get out of that corner moving forward. >> all right. steve kornacki, john heilemann, thank you both. are you going to get some sleep? >> tomorrow. >> still ahead on "morning joe," marco rubio is celebrating his third place finish in iowa, but one thing is for certain, he now has a giant target on his back, much more on where the race goes from here with him. we will be right back. ♪ ♪ (cell phone rings) where are you? well the squirrels are back in the attic. mom? your dad won't call an exterminator... can i call you back, mom? he says it's personal this time... if you're a mom, you call at the worst time. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico.
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♪ light piano today i saw a giant. it had no arms, but it welcomed me. (crow cawing) it had no heart, but it was alive. (train wheels on tracks) it had no mouth, but it spoke to me. it said, "rocky mountaineer: all aboard amazing". this is the moment they said would never happen. >> you know, they said -- they
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said -- they said this day would never come. >> for months, for months they told us we had no chance. for months they told us because we offered too much optimism in a time of anger we had no chance. >> they said our sights were set too high. they said this country was too divided. too disillusioned to ever come together around a common purpose. >> for months they told us because we didn't have the right endorsements or the right political connections we had no chance. >> but on this january night at this defining moment in history you have done what the sin knicks said we couldn't do. >> one of those guys won. >> i have been saying for a year that he is the republican obama. >> you just nailed it. >> he really is the republican obama. >> he is trying to be -- >> that's a good goal, joe.
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obama won twice. i'm sure rubio with live with that comparison. >> in my opinion having somebody with little experience before they become president has not actually been great -- >> and like obama he's coaching it in a generational argument. >> as mika pointed out obama actually won the primary and won the caucus and rubio -- >> i take your point about experience, but it's not like the leaders in the republican field, any of them have a lot of experience, ted cruz, donald trump, marco rubio, what experience do any of them have? >> we will have that debate later. i don't want to get things hurled at me early this morning. but, jane, you make a great point, barack obama won. >> he won. >> marco rubio came in third place. by the way, this whole thing about they said we didn't have the endorsements. what are you talking about? the media has been kissing him
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for like he has been number one on "the new york times" deal since he was playing little league. no. >> they said my shoes were too high. >> that was a funny line. when he talked about the shoe thing that was actually cool. >> the shoe thing was cool. >> when you say things that just aren't true -- they said -- no, they didn't say. and by the way, i also loved the part where he went on and he said, for those of you that have been listening to the narrative in the media every day -- that rubio was going to finish third place. i mean. >> it's crazy. >> it was crazy. >> you have rubio declaring victory when he came in third and you had i think hillary clinton and her family hugging on stage with senator harkin. >> before they won. >> she didn't lose. they were like pmew. it looked like a victory party. >> now, all that being said. >> yes. >> if marco can do three, two, one. >>est that the strategy. >> marco is on his way.
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he got third down and let's go to manchester, new hampshire, with "new york times" jeremy peters. jeremy peters, i know there are a lot of nervous republicans who are afraid he may just finish second in new hampshire coming up next because of what happened last night. >> three, two, one. >> well, that's right. i think that what should make some of the republican so-called establishment candidates nervous is that rubio is going to be going around in a very concerted and continuous effort over the next few days to start aggressively pushing jeb bush's donors to get on his side, their case being, look, we are the only candidate who can unite the republican party against trump and against cruz and it is effectively as they see it a three-person race now. >> yeah, i guess so. >> nicolle. >> listen, i think that the story about marco rubio is how close he came to donald trump. they are separated by one percentage point, they took two opposite tax to the expectations
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game, trump was winner is the only way to go, rubio was like, oh, gosh, we're aiming for third, rubio exceeded expectations so that's why we are talking about him having a victory. when you exceed expectations in american politics you get a win no matter where you come in in the race. >> but they said this day would never come? like that speech -- >> i know. >> come on. >> everybody predicted he was going to finish third place. >> third place. >> and by the way a lot of people were saying he might even finish in second place. >> he almost did. >> in fact, the rubio people were saying he was going to -- he could very well finish in second place and they whispered to anybody that would listen to them we could come in second place so let's not talk about exceeding expectations when they were saying he could come in second place. >> it says right there, defies expectations, comes in third. >> oh, my god. >> thank you. i rest my tired case. >> oh, my god. >> just change defies to -- >> by the way, that is -- you
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talk about spin, being good at spin, defies expectations. >> that's what hillary clinton did. >> comes in third. jeremy peters, no. but again, though, you know, this does remind me a good bit of 1992 when pat buchanan rolled up high numbers early on against bush 41. and the headlines were all written early in the evening, the pronouncements were made early in the evening and at the end of the night even buchanan will say it now, it wasn't as close as everything expected, but it framed the entire debate moving forward. rubio had a good night, no doubt about it, but rubio was expected to finish in third place. he did. >> he was expected to finish in third place but he wasn't expect to almost beat donald trump and that's what he did. he came within a point of donald trump. a part of this is by design, obviously, the campaign i think was very skillful in making it appear that rubio was not working very hard when in fact he was. there was no candidate who spent more time in iowa in the run up
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to the caucuses and he had this sprint to the finish and it ended up working and the momentum broke in his direction in the end. >> again, here is another example, jeremy, of how great ted cruz's turn out operation was. because the spin was that he was going to finish in second place ahead of ted cruz. >> yeah. i mean, part of the problem for rubio i think going forward is going to be maintaining this momentum. he's coming into new hampshire now with a huge target on his back. there are now three republican candidates who will have their sights trained on him. in the past what we've seen is people kind of nipping at him here and there, jeb bush criticizing his senate voting record, donald trump criticizing him for drinking too much water and sweating, ted cruz criticizing him on amnesty but now all three will be going after him hitting him hard. we haven't seen marco rubio under that level of sustained attack yet this this race.
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>> jeremy peters, thank you so much. i will say if i'm on rubio's team, though, i add up all the money that's already been focused on him. i mean, rubio is actually been hammered really hard and was hammered really hard going into the election last night and still did very well. >> he is very good during debates. >> in iowa he got hammered and he defied expectations. he defied it. he finished -- >> third. >> -- where they said he was going to finish. >> he actually testifies to meets and then we will be good. >> we will ask cruz's communication director rick tyler about some questionable tweets just as iowa voters were about to cast their ballots. was engineered... help sense danger before you do.
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governor, we're projecting that ted cruz will actually win iowa tonight. do you have a thought about that. >> >> i'm not surprised. i think if you go back and look at what i was saying for the last couple of days in iowa i said i didn't think there was any day donald trump was going to win iowa, i thought that ted cruz was going to win iowa, that was my feel on the ground so i'm not surprised to hear that from you. everybody who tries to predict this thing and has been in this trump-mania, i'm telling everybody to take a deep breath. no one has voted yet. if you're right and cruz has won i'm not the least bit surprised, i've been predicting it for a week. on the ground in iowa, i told them that. i'm not the least bit surprised. >> chris christie in nashua, new hampshire, joining us from bedford, new hampshire, nbc news capitol hill correspondent kelly
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o'donnell. what is the chris tee campaign doing today? what are they thinking? >> reporter: well, they are in new hampshire where governor chris tee is all in. you heard his political analysis in our brief conversation last night. he is a gut player saying that he knew about the ted cruz momentum and here what he is hoping is that a state that has a lot more of an independent sensibility will be looking for for that governor lane. so chris tee will be doing a get out the vote meeting here, he will be on his bus tour, you see the bus behind me, tell it like it is, and then a town hall. it's about grindy it out trying to get support in new hampshire. in terms of how poorly he showed in iowa, he talks about the money deficit he was so overspent compared to others. so the real test for him is can he in a more personal way through the town hall style that hip clee works in new hampshire is he make a connection. the money is a problem, that's an issue, he's hoping spending so much time in new hampshire
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will make a difference. we will be with him all day, we will get a sense of what he has to say, riding on the bus, trying to get a sense of can he carve out a lane especially in a post iowa world. >> look forward to hearing about that. >> when they start talking about money like that, i mean, new hampshire is a must win for chris christie. >> must win. >> it is a must win for kasich. >> must win. >> a must win for jeb. carly fiorina has to have a strong showing there. a must win for a lot. >> when you say must -- must win or do you mean must -- >> must -- >> must be the leader of the establishment group. >> must come in second. >> i guess the debate coming up could play a role in someone surging or having a moment that's -- i don't know. up next, the communications director for senator ted cruz joins the conversation. keep it right here on "morning joe." why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph,
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in iowa. earlier this morning we talked to his communications director, rick tyler, about how they did it. >> you may not take this as a complement, we mean it as a complement. you guys learned from barack obama and some of the best get out the vote operations. what you all did and we've been talking about it now for an hour and a half. what you guys did in iowa last night on turn out was nothing short of extraordinary. how did it happen? and how early did you know? i talk about how axelrod knew weeks before what his vote count was going to be. nicolle talked about how calm you guys were a couple days ago. when did you guys know that you had iowa? >> you know, we've been tracking it daily for -- for weeks now and we were neck and neck and it was really tight and sometimes we were up and sometimes we were down, but in the final days we knew that we were up. so you really kind of have to believe the numbers because the "des moines register" poll came out and the quinnipiac poll came
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out and you start to worry about it and owe election day it's like this is all real, what the heck is going to happen. the numbers started coming in. at first we were slightly behind and we were ahead and ahead all night and the numbers starting pouring in and we got the win. we were pretty excited about it. it was a turn out operation. >> unbelievable. >> it was having 12,000 people on the ground and having all of our caucus captains named and having 1,500 precinct captains named. the thing about ted cruz is these people weren't hard to find. they wanted to be found. >> i have to ask what with the allegations of i guess i will have to say that in quotes of dirty tricks, the mailers that seemed off color in terms of how to win and also the -- the sort of putting it out there that ben carson had dropped out with your top surrogate even tweeting it. why do that? >> well, for one the mailer was
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modeled after the iowa republican party mailer that got so many republicans elected in the last cycle and it was very successful. it was one of many tools we used to persuade to persuade people. three days ago, i was in an uber car, and the guy told me he wasn't going to caucus. i said, if you were, who would you caucus for? he said, ted cruz. i spent the rest of the trip trying to guilt him to caucus. he promised me at the end he was going to caucus. >> the mailer, wasn't it deceptive? wouldn't you consider it dirty politics if it was done to your candidate? >> i could show you lots of mailers that i consider deceptive. this is reminding people this is their opportunity and duty to vote. we believe through the follow-up calls we got a lot of people to say they would vote for ted cruz. on the ben carson allegation, it's just false. we as a campaign repeated what ben carson had said in his own words. he said after iowa, he was going to go back to florida for a
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couple days and then he was going to go to d.c. for the prayer breakfast. what that told us he was not going to new hampshire. that wasn't a dirty trick. the was surprising by a campaign who was once leading in iowa to say he's not coming to new hampshire. that's a news item. >> a lot of people wondering what you do with this win in iowa. you put together an organization that future republican campaigns will study the way democrats studied the obama operation in iowa. now what do you do with it? some people have speculated cruz should skip new hampshire, skip to south carolina and wait for the crew to meet him there. will you compete hard in new hampshire? if so, what's your ground game there compared to iowa were you were so strong? >> we will absolutely compete in new hampshire. we'll go to south carolina this afternoon and do a rally event and then campaign hard in new hampshire. if you consider all the things we were guest in iowa, the sitting governor singling us out
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for defeat, the secretary of state issuing politically motivated statements. the establishment from everywhere from bob dole to mitch mcconnell to richard burr saying they would rather have trump to deal with. donald trump himself, and a lot of people competing in the evangelical lane. it was not an open lane. >> thanks somuch. congratulations, again, just an extraordinary turnout operation. congratulations to you and everybody in the ted cruz campaign. >> thanks, joe. >> rick, thank you very much.
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so, nicolle, following up on our interview with rick tyler and the cruz campaign, we were commenting, ted cruz had the worst two weeks heading up to his. his poll numbers tanked. the palin endorsement was supposed to be deadly for him. the debate, his worst performance. panned across the idealogical spectrum.
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the canadian story. he had the worst -- >> goldman sachs attack. >> yeah, the goldman sachs attack. he had the worst two weeks. >> all thrown at him. >> yet, organization put him over the top. >> i learned that when he said the speech last night, he said he won despite the media establishment, he won despite the political establishment. they may both be forever impaired in the cycle. >> steve, you learn anything today? >> we have to separate expectations from reality in these elections. and try to keep our minds straight. >> amen, because of course, we have seen it before. something happens in iowa, everybody's hair is on fire. and then eight days later, something happens in new hampshire, and then they put it out and put their hair on fire the other direction. yeah, everybody needs to take a deep breath. >> i learned something i learned from you all around. if you say it, it's true. if you say it again and again and again, it just becomes true. >> yes.
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you explore. it's what you do. >>what took you so long? if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. >>you did it, yay! good tuesday morning. i'm chris jansing in des moines along with my colleague steve kornacki who is back in new york. today, anything but groundhog day on the campaign trail. this morning, hillary clinton is declaring victory over bernie sanders. nbc news characterized the fo former secretary of state at the winner, apparent winner, actually, just before 4:00 eastern time this morning. both candidates were already on their way to new hampshire. by the time that call was made.
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in what turned out to be the closest democratic caucus in the state's history. >> what a night. an unbelievable night. what a great campaign. >> tonight, while the results are still not known, it looks like we are in a virtual tie. >> i will keep doing what i have done my entire life. i will keep standing up for you. i will keep fighting for you. >> we had no political organization. we had no money. we had no name recognition. >> on the republican side, the race a bit more decisive. ted cruz was able to pull it off and fend off donald trump. of course, he's been the longtime front-runner in the polls, and marco rubio surprising a lot of people with a late surge. he came in a close third. >> tonight is a victory for courageous conservatives across iowa. and all across this great nation. >> i have to start by saying, i
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absolutely love the people of iowa. >> they told me that we have no chance because my hair wasn't gray enough and my boots were too high. >> we finished second, and i want to tell you something. i'm just honored. i'm really honored. >> your incredible victory that you have won tonight. that is the most votes ever cast for any republican primary winner. >> we have taken the first step, but an important step, towards winning this election. >> we will be back many, many times. in fact, i think i might come here and buy a farm. i love it. >> the race now moves to new hampshire where hallie jackson, kristen welker, and peter alexander are all covering the campaign events across that state. one week from the first presidential primary. but we're going to begin with steve kornacki, who has a look at this historically close democratic caucus. steve, my goodness. this had it all. it was surprising, it was
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intense. it was chaotic. and here we are, the morning after. what do you have for us? >> everything you want an election night to be, chris. so let's remind everybody what happened. if you maybe went to sleep overnight, we did declare an apparent winner overnight on the democrat, side. we can show you the results. remind you, hillary clinton eking out a victory. i think we have that board we can show you. eking out a victory over bernie sanders on the democratic side. an apparent victory. that's how we're classifying it in iowa. you can see the actual results there, a fraction of a point separating hillary clinton and bernie sanders. i think we have that as well. there it is. little numbers you see underneath there, the 699, the 695. those are state delegate equivalents, they're called. a very complicated process out there in iowa. hillary clinton by the slimmest of margins, the slimmest margin we have ever seen out there in iowa. apparently winning that thing. now, what does this do? of course, the magic number to
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get nominated, you need over 2,000 delegates. from iowa last night, hillary clinton picks up 30. bernie sanders picking up 21. the difference maker there, such a close race. why is heshe ahead in the delege count? the superdelegates. they automatically get votes at the democratic national convention. the superdelegates from iowa are with hillary clinton, and a lot of places with hillary clinton. let's move to the republican side. ted cruz, you saw in the clips. getting the biggest vote turnout we have ever seen. he wins the iowa caucuses. you can see that. now let's take you through the results. ted cruz in first place. donald trump lagging. he lost this thing by about 6,000 votes last night. but again, that 45,000 would be the second highest total in the history of the iowa caucuses on the republican side. marco rubio, though, the other big story of the night, look at that. one point behind donald trump. nearly caught him for second place. we show you some of the other
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candidates. of course, a very crowded republican field. here's how the rest of the field looks. ben carson, the only one getting close to double digits. look at that, jeb bush, who would have believed this a year ago? only 3%. mike huckabee, rick santorum, they have each won the iowa caucuses before, barely factoring last night. those are the bottom line numbers on the republican side. and now, oh, and this is -- we also have the -- sorry, what are we looking at here? these are the first-time participants. we'll show you in the big board. this might be a better way. we wanted to show you turnout on thep rn side in iowa. this is what you had before. 121,000 in 2012 was the all-time record. what happened last night? look at this. 186,000. it blew that record out of the water. and here was the thing. everybody said going into last night, if you got turnout anywhere approaching this number, donald trump was going to win. why? because every poll was telling us donald trump had such a big
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advantage with first-time caucus participants. people who had never been before. they were casual. if they went, they were for trump. if he could get them out, he would win. he got the turnout number, and you can see, 45% of the electorate, but what happened? well, he won them, he got 30% of the first-time caucusgoers, but ted cruz got 23% of them. we thought the spread would be much bigger. marco rubio doing surprisingly well with them, too. ted cruz did better with the first-timers than we expected. donald trump did not do as well with them as we expected. one of the reasons may be ted cruz, you'll hear a lot about this, you already are, that ground game he had turning out his people. he turned out a lot of evangelical voters. maybe some evangelicals who hadn't participated before. 62% of the republican electorate last night in iowa was evangelical christians. some numbers to mull over as we all try to make sense of what happened last night. and chris, we'll send it back to you there in des moines. >> yeah, steve, two very
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important things there that show you the more things change, the more they stay the same. in iowa, ground game, evangelicals. let me bring in our team of reporters who have made their way to new hampshire overnight. hallie jackson, kristen welker, peter alexander. hal hallie, let me start with you, the props have to go to the ted cruz campaign. they had an amazing ground game. but new hampshire is coming up fast. the latest poll has him 18 points down. what's the plan going forward? >> so at this point, the strategy is to play new hampshire kind of how they played iowa. senator cruzzing about coming out here, spending a lot of time over the next week getting on the ground. really, it seems as though new hampshire is a bonus play for the cruz campaign. this is not a state where ted cruz was naturally expected to do well. the strategy here is to peel off some of the libertarian vote, try to coalesce the libertarians around him in new hampshire, people who might otherwise go to
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rand paul. although there is a smaller evangelical population here, maybe around 20% to 25% of the electorate that turns out in a republican primary, ted cruz is hoping to peel off some of those folks as well. when you look at the polling, we heard some of the candidates phrase it as a five-car pileup for second place. a five-way race for second. ted cruz is in the mix. that is a rather unexpected position for him to be in. we had a chance to catch up late last night when he was finishing giving his victory speech there in des moines. here's what he had to say. listen. >> the last two winners of the iowa caucus came out of this caucus with no money. they were broke. and they did not have the national team or infrastructure to be in a position to be able to compete effectively and win the nomination. we're in a markedly different position. we're all in in new hampshire, in south carolina, in nevada, and then we're all in in the s.e.c. primary, and there is no other campaign that has 200,000 volunteers, the leadership teams on the ground nationwide, that
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has 800,000 contributions nationwide. we're in the position to win this. >> and this is something that is essential, really, chris, to ted cruz's strategy going forward. he has $19 million cash in the bank, money on hand, he can use to push forward. they're really looking, he talks ability new hampshire, nevada, really, the campaign is looking at south carolina, and the s.e.c. primary places. places they put leadership teams, places they have been going for months. i was on a bus tour with cruz in august. those are the locations they're looking forward in the race. if he does well in new hampshire, it's like the cherry on top of the sunde. >> let's talk about donald trump because the knock on him is he depended too much on the cult of personality. he didn't have the ground game. infrastructure wasn't in place. where is he this morning? what is their head space? what are they going to do moving
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forward? >> he's due to arrive in new hampshire this evening. he has a primetime event at 7:00. we'll see what the crowd's response is tonight when it sees donald trump. of course, last night, it cast a shadow on this idea of his invulnerability, his inevitability right now. you give him credit for going to iowa. the state that really didn't cater to his sort of appeal, it would seem. conservatives, social conservatives, christian conservatives in that state. here it's more libertarian minded. it may be a more natural fit for donald trump in this state. for trump, who has throughout branded himself as a winner, it's a real danger when all of a sudden you suffer a defiet. you become a loser and they realize they have to change that overnight. a loss one week from now in new hampshire could put the trump bubble in a burst. one iowa republican leader, a former gop chair in the state told me right now, trump was
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selling the sizzle, not the steak. and iowans were hungry for more. the question is, how he responds, how he adjusts going forward. his comments last night at that podium, they were notably brief. exactly three minutes. they were also gracious, as people looked to see how he responds to this. he also has not responded in what was formally his biggest megaphone to this point, twitter. not a single tweet in the last 13 or 14 hours since before iowa caucusgoers went to their local precincts. so we watch all of those things. we see who he targets as well. and can he overcome these organizational deficiencies in a state where it's not a caucus but it's still a vote and requires you get out that vote as well. >> all right, thanks so much, peter alexander. let's talk about the democrats, kristen welker. no way to sugar coat this. the clinton campaign barely eked out a win. they avoided what could have been essentially a death sentence for her to lose both iowa and new hampshire. so hillary clinton, we're
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hearing a lot about how disappointed the campaign is. are they? >> well, they are, but they're trying to put a very positive spin on it, as you say, chris. i was on the plane with them traveling from iowa to new hampshire. they say, look, a win is a win. the bottom line is this makes it a lot more difficult for bernie sanders to win the nomination. but there's no doubt about it. the optics of this make bernie sanders look like he has come back and essentially tied with someone who initially had a 40-point lead in iowa. one democratic strategist described it as very similar to when bill clinton in 1993 won new hampshire and declared himself the comeback kid. so those are the optics. but if you dig into the numbers, chris, there are some real troubling warning signs for the clinton campaign. one of those being the fact that bernie sanders trounced her when it comes to younger voters. voters 17 to 29. he won that group 84 to 14
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percent. if you're the clinton campaign this morning, you're asking yourself why she failed to resonate so significantly with that age point. the other thing i'll point out, you heard her proclaim last night she's a progressive. she talked about the health care plan, talking ability how she wants to cover everyone, instead of the bare-bone policy particulars of her health care plan. really sort of drifting more toward the language we typically hear from bernie sanders. that's something that could resonate here in a state like new hampshire where bernie sanders has a double-digit lead. the clinton campaign not expecting to win the state, but they'll fight hard. she has three events today. they have a firewall in states in the south like south carolina, where she has a strong lead in the polls. >> we saw bernie sanders out before dawn. people waited hours to see him. another fascinating race. kristen welker, hallie jackson,
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peter alexander, thanks to all of you. this morning, no clear idea who lands at the finish line, but we know two people who won't be there, democrat martin o'malley and republican mike huckabee announced last night they're suspending their campaigns. o'malley's run fell flat, less than 1% of caucusgoers backing the governor. and huckabee got less than 2% of the vote. he tweeted this, i'm officially suspended my campaign. thank you for all your loyal support. so there you have it. we knew that the race would get shaken up, steve. but where it gets shaken up next, well, new hampshire will tell us. >> yeah, so interesting to see mike huckabee, a past caucus winner, not even a factor last night. we have reaction now from the clinton campaign on the closest democratic caucuses in history, in iowa, at least. joining us from new hampshire is brian fallon, the national press
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secretary for the clinton campaign. we're declaring you guys the apparent winner. last night, you were declaring yourselves the victors in this thing. what does it say it was this close? i looked about a year ago, there was a poll out there in iowa. it said hillary clinton, 68. bernie sanders, 7. he came from 61 points down to as close to winning as you can get without actually winning. what does that say to you? >> well, that was before the race even got under way, steve. in the last couple months, it's been very tight all along in iowa. and in particular, in the last couple weeks, you saw the polling very consistently showing the race even. in fact, there were certain polls that showed us down by as many as eight to ten points. so we were extremely pleased with the result yesterday. if you look at the turnout numbers that we saw at the caucuses last night in iowa, the state party estimates that over 171,000 democrats showed up. bernie sanders' campaign had been going around the last few
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days saying if they hit the 170,000 number in terms of turnout, that would be their major number, that they would win. for hillary clinton to prevail in a high turnout contest like last night shows all this talk of enthusiasm is missing the point. there is tremendous amount of enthusiasm and energy for a progressive fighter who can get results. there's no doubt about it. the intensity among democrats this election cycle is high. there is still anxiety about the state of the economy. but what i think last night showed is that there's a premium placed on somebody who has the detailed plans that can show how they're going to achieve results. that's how democratic voters are going to channel their lingering frustration with the state of the economy and how we can share those improved economic gains we have seen under president obama. >> turning now, where you are, you're up there in new hampshire. we're aweek away from the first of the nation primary. you're walking into a state where the recent polling has not been kind to your campaign.
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we have a new one. a poll from the university of massachusetts, right near the new hampshire border. it's a 2-1 race, 63-30, sanders over clinton. we have seen margins a little closer than that, but he has been ahead consistently. do you expect bernie sanders is going to win new hampshire? >> well, steve, let's take a look at things. do i think that the race is a 30-plus margin? absolutely not. there's no doubt we're slightly behind in new hampshire right now. new hampshire historically is favorable to sons of new england. neighboring state lawmakers do well here. i'm sorry? >> can you win it? >> a lot can happen in a week. we can have a lot of momentum coming out of last night's win in iowa. she's going to work her heart out. she's here doing events today. she came overnight, straight from iowa to here. she's going to be here this morning, and we're going to work to earn it.
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new hampshire is a state near and clear to the clintons' heart. it made bill clinton the comeback kid in 1992. and so we're going to work to earn the support of new hampshire voters here, and we're confident in the organization that we built here. we know it's going to be tough. but we think we have a lot of momentum from last night and that can only help us. >> a lot of conversation this morning that maybe your campaign late in the week might focus more on south carolina or nevada and not fully on new hampshire. are you committed in campaigning in new hampshire throughout the primary next tuesday? >> of course, we have a debate this week. we'll be here all week. we have staffers coming up from the brooklyn headquarters to knock on doors. you'll see the ground operation that was so successful in iowa last night, you'll see us execute on that same game plan here. and we're going to work our hearts out here in iowa, and look, no such thing as shifting resources to south carolina. we have been deployed all of our resources to all four of the early states early on.
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this is all going according to plan in the sense that we always knew that the first four early states would be extremely important. we knew they would be close, and we prioritized accordingly with the staff and resources. we'll be maxed out in the effort we put into new hampshire. at the same time, we'll be ready in nevada and south carolina. >> thanks for the time. >> thanks, steve. >> a lot ahead this tuesday morning. up next, third-place republican marco rubio declaring a moral victory at least. a victory of his own. nipping at the heels of donald trump last night. trump beating rubio by just one point in iowa. some trump supporters left pretty surprised by the outcome. >> i am surprised. a little bummed, but either way, you know, there are two other individuals that are in a very close race, hillary and bernie. anyone who can beat the two of them is a leader in my book. >> we knew it was going to be close. there's a lot of evangelical voters in the state of iowa.
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>> something is wrong. we thank you so much. let me just say to you. it's 5:00 in morning. we're in this together. no president can do it alone. that's what the political revolution is about. >> that is bernie sanders in the
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w wee hours of the morning after making the overnight flight from iowa to new hampshire. we thought we would take one more look at the historically close, historically tight result in iowa on the democratic side. where did it come from? let's go inside the numbers and take a look. a few fault lines to pay attention to. first of all, remember, not just democrats but also independents. independents could participate last night. you see, look, among democrats, hillary clinton had a solid lead over bernie sanders. 17 points. the independents made up about one fifth of all caucus participants. they were overwhelmingly with bernie sanders, how about this one? first time caucus participants versus people who had done it before. of course, there was a lot of talk that people, newcomers would be attracted to bernie sanders. is that true? yes, nearly 60% of first-time caucusgoers were with sanders. nearly 60% of those who had done
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it before with were clinton. this is the biggest one. kristen welker mentioned it earlier in the show. age, under 30 on the democratic side, 84% to 14%. a 70-point margin for bernie sanders over hillary clinton. for those 65 and older, hillary clinton is nearly at 70%. 69% to 26%. there are gaps and then there are gaps. this is epic. you talk about fault lines here on the democratic side, chris. interesting ones emerging in iowa last night. >> we keep talking about the oldest candidate in the race attracting the young voters. but you're talking about a guy whose son is actually older than marco rubio and ted cruz. it's crazy. >> i didn't know that stat, but now i'm going to start repeating that one, yeah. >> 44 and 45 for marco rubio, ted cruz. i think bernie sanders' son is 46. there you go.
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that's my little tidbit for the day. ted cruz and hillary clinton got the most delegates out of iowa, but if you listened to marco rubio's speech last night, it sounded like he had come in first. >> i am grateful to you, iowa. you believed in me when others didn't think this night would be possible. when i'm our nominee, we're going to win iowa and we're going to win this election for this country. >> rubio technically came in third in the caucuses, although he was just a percentage point behind donald trump, a sign he hopes shows momentum is on his side. last night, i spoke to colorado republican cory gardner, the first sitting senator to endorse rube wroe. here's what he told me. >> a very strong finish. a lot of momentum going into new hampshire. of course, tonight, tim scott from south carolina endorsing marco, speaks well for south carolina as well. this is a very exciting night. when you see the undecideds breaking for marco, that's what we're going to see in the coming
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weeks and months. >> how does he turn it into something more? >> tonight, that message of optimism, of excitement, that we can do more as a country than the place we're stuck in. only marco can deliver that. only marco can deliver the presidency for republicans. >> there was a lot of talk he had no hope of wining the first four states. what do you think? >> this isn't saying we won iowa or new hampshire. this is about proving he can be someone who can win, the choice for the party, the unifying face of it. >> can he do it without winning one of the early states? >> absolutely he can. what you're seeing tonight is the beginning of his effort to show america he can win. and that he will win, and bringing people together. this is it, how he starts it. >> it sounded like the speech of a winner, but he came in third? >> but you heard him say nobody thought he was going to be here, so what you saw tonight was somebody who outperformed, who built momentum going in. everybody recognized how well ted cruz was going to do.
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tonight was a surprise. >> were you surprised? >> i am excited about it. i was hoping for a night like this. >> did you have a chance to talk to him yet? >> i have not. i was in clive precinct five and six. we won over 50% of our caucus tonight. >> you did your job? >> we have more to do and a lot more work to be done, but its rer going to be great as we go on to nomination. >> when you saw the number of people who came out here, let's look at what this means for the republican party overall. >> the fact we have so many people running is a good sign for the republican party. look, on the democrat side, you have a race between two people, an avowed socialist and another candidate who is trying to be more socialist than the socialist. tonight, they expected 500 people at the caucus i was at. they had over 1,000 people show up. you can see the diversity of support for a variety of candidates. anyone will be better than the third term of barack obama who is hillary clinton. this is exciting to be here. exciting iowa is sending the
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strong message, and i believe new hampshire will be a great step next. >> senator cory gardner, and dave price, political director with who tv here in des moines, joins me. we thought before this all happened it was going to be a crazy night. boy, was it. >> it really was. with rubio, it's so interesting because the polls made you question what it felt like out there. we went to the big rubio rally on saturday night, and they kind of overflowed the room. you could kind of feel that energy that you feel in campaigns that are going somewhere. and then that "des moines register" poll came out on sunday morning, and it didn't really show he was going up much. >> had him at 15%. another weekend poll had him at 17%. >> right, but then you're thinking, all right, maybe i'm feeling something wrong here. then sure enough, we see the numbers coming in last night. i was back and forth with trump and rubio people, when it looked like cruz was going to win and trump's people were privately concedi conceding, all right, cruz has it. and the rubio people were getting more optimistic about,
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wow, we might almost get second. and they almost did. >> i can tell you in the poll room at the marriott, which is where he came to give his speech, it was electric. people were so excited there. on top of that, he gets the support of south carolina governor tim scott, who is kind of the king maker now. let me play just a little bit of what he put on social media today. >> i'm putting my confidence and my trust in marco rubio because i believe that he takes us to that better future. marco rubio understands here in america, it's not about where you start. it's about where you're going. >> so now, here's what he's looking at. he's talked about this three-two-one strategy. third place here, second in new hampshire, first in south carolina. where do you see the parallels when you look at who votes and who went rubio's way and do we see parallels with south carolina. >> isn't it funny you see such a
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celebration for third place? in sports, we don't generally celebrate it that way. for them, a big victory. maybe there are some similarities here. the iowa electorate probably more rural. than we see maybe in south carolina and obviously more white, but if you look at some of the folks who turned out, you had a lot of evangelicals. more so than what they had predicted here, and a lot more first-timers that turned out as well. so i think maybe it was the evangelicals, you're going to see a little similarity here. the obvious difference is it's so much more a white state here. >> and really quickly on the democratic side, bernie sanders was a little concerned about some of the things going on. what happened there? >> i think we're going to hear more about that. he's complaining that the democratic party did not have the representatives in some of these precincts like it was supposed to. and in the end, they didn't get all the results in as quickly as they should, which made people fearful we would have a mess-up like republicans had in 2012.
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those will be the questions they try to sort through today. >> dave price, get some sleep. it has been great fun. thank you so much. up next, serious alligations of misconduct launched against ted cruz's campaign. fourth place republican ben carson calling him out for, quote, dirty tricks. he claims sabotaged his iowa hopes. one of carson's senior strategists joins me here live, next. before earning enough cash back from bank of america to help pay for her kids' ice time. before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time. and 2% back at the grocery store. even before she got 3% back on gas, all with no hoops to jump through. katie used her bankamericard cash rewards credit card to stay warm and toasty during the heat of competition. that's the comfort of rewarding connections. apply online or at a bank of america near you. (two text tones) now? (text tone)
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efforts and that people should be thinking about maybe their second choice. and this was before the caucuses were over. and that is really quite a dirty trick. >> cruz campaign spokesman rick tyler denied the allegations on "morning joe." >> ben carson allegation is just false. we simply as a campaign repeated what ben carson had said. in his own words. he said after iowa he was going to go back to florida for a couple days and then he was going to go to d.c. to a prayer breakfast and what that told us was he was not going to new hampshire. that's not a dirty trick. >> with me now, jason osborn, ben carson's deputy communications director. so does rick tyler have a point? >> no, i appreciate him getting out there and saying something about this, but the reality is last night there was a tweet that came out. >> let me read it. it came from congressman steve king who was a supporter of ted cruz and standing on the stage
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with him last night. he tweeted, carson looks like he's out. iowans need to know before they vote, most will go to cruz, i hope. >> right, and that was followed up by two e-mails from the cruz campaign out to their precinct chairs that said exactly that. and then we had precinct chairs standing up in these caucuses saying that carson in some cases, carson was encouraging people to vote for cruz. he was dropping out. it's just a pattern that we just are so disgusted by these days in d.c. and dr. carson last night after hearing this, he got pretty fired up. >> there is another part of this, right? so dr. carson says he's going to go. he hasn't slept in his bed in two and a half weeks. he's going to get fresh clothes, go to washington. he has meetings, a national prayer breakfast. then he'll go to new hampshire. almost every other candidate is there. donald trump is coming tonight. let's take the politics, that part of the politics out it. you say are dirty tricks. just as a supporter of
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dr. carson, don't you think someone might say, he's not in it to win it. he's not even going to the next state for three days. >> right, well, you know, two weeks ago when we brought up the schedule with him and what he wanted to do after iowa, he did what donald trump does every night, which is go home and sleep in his own bed. as i heard donald trump spent one night here in iowa, but he would go home every night. he needed to get fresh clothes. he was only going to be there actually for less than 16 hours. and then fly right back out. he had a commitment to attend the national prayer breakfast, which is something he has, as everybody is well aware, something that got him started in all this. he is committed to this campaign. he's going to continue on in this campaign. >> there was a point at which it looked like he was going to potentially win iowa. he came in fourth, which was pretty consistent with what the polls were showing. we won't know whether there was an impact from what happened. how do you turn it around? >> a year ago, people were
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saying dr. who. now they're saying dr. carson. somebody like dr. carson who has never been involved in politics to go from zero to fourth place in iowa and defeating three former and current sitting governors is pretty impressive. i want to make sure we're clear here. we're not saying we would have won, but what we're saying is this is not the way politics should be. i think the iowans out there that were going to vote for us should be upset. i think marco rubio and donald trump should be upset. who knows how their numbers would have been affected. all we can say is dr. carson is committed to the campaign and he's going to continue on and has a higher resolve to get out and spread his message. >> jason, thanks. good to see you. >> from iowa to new hampshire, now all about the momentum heading into the first in the nation primary. one week away. marco rubio greeted supporters in manchester earlier, and we expect to see jeb bush any moment holding a town hall at franklin pierce. there he is, walking in to franklin pierce university. a very frequent stop on the
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none of this works. come on in. we are still digesting a night of surprises in iowa. hillary clinton, marco rubio, donald trump, humbly conceding defeat after a second-place finish to ted cruz. joining me to talk about all of what happened last night and what we can look for in the week ahead, republican strategist matt slap, nick confessore, political reporter for the "new york times." matt, the donald, second place in iowa last night. down but not out in new hampshire. he goes in leading big in every poll in new hampshire. what are you expecting? are you expecting a melt pm down here for donald trump in new hampshire? the big lead disappears in a couple days, rubio rises up and catches him, or is it durable? what do you think? >> it's interesting because i didn't feel like the trump camp
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was really talking to people and letting them in on the ground game in iowa. i didn't know if it was because it wasn't that good or they were worried a bit about first-time candidate. politicicize a tough game. how was their candidate going to react if he didn't win. i think you said it right, steve. he reacted in a pretty normal way. the way most candidates act. he was humble and congratulatory. up there with his beautiful family. and i think they just feel very confident going into new hampshire. >> nick, should they? look, the polls right now in new hampshire, donald trump would be 15, 20 points ahead of everybody. the thing we have been talking ability in new hampshire, rubio, bush, kasich, christie, all bunched together. i guess the question is, marco rubio getting momentum from last night. could he break the logjam up and move up in the polls in new hampshire? >> i saw last night in iowa instead of five or six establishment candidates kind of
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clogging that lane so two outsiders could dominate, it was two outsiders cutting that vote in half, and one establishment guy in rubio dominating. the problem is that most of these guys are not spending as much time in iowa as new hampshire. christie and kasich have spent a lot more time in new hampshire. it's going to be hard to pull the same win out. >> you follow the money side, too. one of the other questions is all the money directed by bush's super pac, for instance, against marco rubio, is that something we can look to continue in new hampshire, so rubio is trying to rise up and challenge trump, but does he have to worry about bush still trying to take him down? >> absolutely. i think rubio is target nothing one for the bush super pac, but christie and kasich are targets two and three. they have a lot of money. they can keep going for a while. when you look at the reports for donald trump, right, this
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before she had even hired or announced she was hiring robby muecke as her campaign manager, the two of them were meeting to talk about broad strategy for the campaign. and it occurred to robby he ought to mention this rumor that was going around. he said, if bernie sanders decides to run, you better worry because i grew up in vermont, and i have seen how this guy operates. >> and we saw it yesterday, didn't we, e.j.? i mean, who would have thought that donald trump losing would not be the preeminent story coming out of iowa? >> it also helped that democrats had some trouble counting their votes in the end, it's true. but you're exactly right. a couple things here. on the one side, we got to sit back and say this is amazing. a man who is a democratic socialist and proudly so, very nearly upset the apple card by defeating hillary clinton.
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not since eugene dabs ran on the socialist ticket in 1912 has this set of ideas gotten this prominence. i think that speaks to a discontent in the democratic party and on the left that goes back to occupy wall street. in some ways, occupy wall street was resolutely a political, and bernie sanders said no, you have to take this sentiment into the electoral process. on the other side, you have clinton, where if she got in this outcome three, four months ago, it would have been seen as a sign of weakness. the fact it got so close that people realized, as robby did at the beginning, at bernie is a formidable candidate, she can still count this as a victory. you can imagine the alternative, what if she had lost iowa going into new hampshire? >> nevertheless, bernie looked like a victor. smiling ear to ear. this morning, pre-dawn hours, he arrives in new hampshire. he had been delayed by all the questions about what is going on here. he has people waiting in the cold for him for hours.
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look at this. i mean, the enthusiasm that is behind this campaign. where does it go from here, karen? >> that is what is going to fuel it. and the thing -- that enthusiasm is accompanied by an awful lot of money coming in from -- >> from a lot of people. >> coming in over the internet, small donations which means these people can give over and over and over again. so what this means is that this race is likely to go on for a very long time. >> and you know what i think is important for clinton is she cannot really go after bernie sanders. because she needs some of the vote he has if she wins the nomination. the last i looked, sanders had gotten 84% of the under 30s who showed up. granted, this is a caucus so it's not all under 30, but his strength among young people is extraordinary. democrats can't win the election without a very large turnout of young voters. so clinton has to be very careful with bernie sanders
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calling the closest race in iowa caucus history. the margin was so slim that clinton won by just five of the states delegate equivalents. both clinton and sanders flew to new hampshire overnight while the votes were still being counted but not before addressing their supporters. >> so as i stand here tonight, breathing a big sigh of relief, thank you, iowa. i want you to know i will keep doing what i have done my entire life. i will keep standing up for you. i will keep fighting for you. >> as i think about what happened tonight, i think the people of iowa have sent a very profound message to the
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political establishment, to the economic establishment, and by the way, to the media establishment. >> now, after the race was called this morning, clinton's campaign released the statement you see here. it reads in part, after thorough reporting and analysis, no uncertainty, and secretary clinton has clearly won. sanders responded to the final count, after landing in new hampshire just a short time ago. take a listen. >> thank you so much. as you know, we just got in from iowa. we astounded the world. and now, in new hampshire, we're going to astound the world again. >> now, on the republican side, ted cruz's upset win over donald trump was apparent early on, despite polls clearly suggesting otherwise. fueled by strong evangelical support, senator cruz won with 28%. that's nearly 52,000 votes. it's the most ever for a
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republican candidate. trump finished with 24%. over 45,000 votes, the second most ever. addressing his supporters last night, cruz took a subtle jab at his main rival. while donald trump congratulated cruz and made it clear he's confident about his chances in new hampshire. >> tonight is a victory for the grassroots. tonight is a victory for millions of americans who have shoulders the burden of seven years of washington deals run amuck. tonight is a victory for every american who understands that after we survive eight long years of the obama presidency, that no one personality can right the wrongs done by washington. >> when we started this journey,
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there were 17 candidates. i was told by everybody, do not go to iowa. you could never finish even in the top ten. and i said, but i have friends in iowa. i know a lot of people in iowa.. let's give it a shot. they said, don't do it. i said i have to do it. and we finished second. and i want to tell you something. i'm just honored. i'm really honored. and i want to congratulate ted. and i want to congratulate all of the incredible candidates. >> and in one of the night's biggest surprises, marco rubio's third place finish garnered a much larger percentage of the votes. so close to trump. rubio was in at 23%. >> they told me that we have no chance because my hair wasn't gray enough and my boots were too high. they told me i needed to wait my
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turn. tonight, we have taken the first step, but an important step, towards winning this election. >> meanwhile, the night also marked the end of the road for mike huckabee and martin o'malley. both announced they were suspended their campaigns. as for the remaining candidates with just a week to go before the new hampshire primary, they are all canvassing that state. we have our reporters canvassing right along with them. starting out with clinton and sanders right now. we are waiting for hillary clinton and bill clinton to take the stage for a campaign event in new hampshire. just over an hour ago, she tweeted history made made, #iowacaucus. kristen welker traveled from iowa to new hampshire overnight aboard clinton's press plane. i don't want social media to fuel our coverage, and we are moving forward to new hampshire. nevertheless, on social media, democrats going against each other in many ways. bernie sanders supporters believing it was some kind of rigging of the system.
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hillary clinton's supporters saying, you know, these are the facts. and we're moving ahead here. let's talk about the climate within the party as this battle continues. >> well, i think you're right, tamron. you have two very different interpretations of what happened last night, depending on which candidate you support. secretary clinton and her campaign officials and supporters say this was a win. a win is a win. and i was aboard her press plane, as you pointed out, last night, tamron, and one of her top officials said, look, this makes it a lot harder for bernie sanders to win the nomination, and that's the bottom line. but the other part of this, tamron, is that senator sanders practically tied with secretary clinton, so his supporters today, and by the way, a lot of other democrats saying the optics are a win for senator sanders. the fact he started out in iowa 40 points behind secretary clinton, senator sanders saying that this is an indication that his message is resonating. now, he also raised the point that he has some questions about
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the process that unfolded last night. questioning the fact that he says there weren't enough party officials at every precinct. he's taken the unprecedented step of calling for a look at the actual voter totals to see exactly how that all went down. take a listen to what he had to say to our kasie hunt last night. >> i honestly don't know what happened. i know there was some -- there was some precincts that i think have still not reported. your guess is as good as mine as to what happened. i can only hope and expect that the count will be honest. i can't say whether it is. >> and tamron, let me read a statement from the clinton campaign. quote, hillary clinton has won the iowa caucus. statistically, no outstanding information that could change the results, and no way that senator sanders can overcome
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secretary clinton's advantage. but if you're inside the clinton campaign today, you have to be looking at one statistic. and that is the fact that younger voters, voters 17 to 29, overwhelmingly picked senator sanders, 84% to 14%. they're going to have to do real digging about why she's failing to connect with younger voters. she's going to try to do that in new hampshire. senator sanders has a double-digit lead in new hampshire. her officials acknowledge it's going to be tough for her here, but that's why she built up a fire wall in places like nevada, south carolina, where she does have a lead. >> we're highlighting the young vote. we talked a lot about that and that wasimented, it would be a struggle for her. there are numbers regarding progressive women, younger female voters that also should be of concern to her campaign. >> that's absolutely right. because when you think of female voters, you would think that overwhelmingly, they would pick
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secretary clinton. we're seeing this generational divide take place where senator sanders did very well there as well. secretary clinton last night said she is a progressive. we're hearing her language shift a little bit as she tries to connect with some of those voters, tamron, as she tries to reach out to them. we heard it change when she talked about health care. she's of course called for adding to the progress of obamacare, but last night, she really stressed the fact that what that means to her is health care for everyone. of course, that's something we typically hear from senator sanders. so i think you're right, tamron. the clinton campaign is going to have to ask itself some very tough questions moving forward. >> kristen, thank you so much. let's get to our live location still set up in iowa. chris is standing by. you were on the ground last night. we saw a lot of chaos, including the allegations regarding the democratic party being unprepared. how do we get to this win or how did hillary clinton get to the win that people are still trying to understand? because it did come in, again,
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as a reminder around 4:00 eastern time. this is still being digested? >> yeah, i think the answer to that, tamron, is very slowly. nobody really would have thought just even a few months ago that it would come to this. the closest in history. and i was just talking to dave price, the political director at who, which is our nbc station here, who knows the ins and outs of this very, very closely. i really wanted to know on the ground somebody who knows the inner workings of the democratic party in iowa. what could this turn into? he said, look, we don't know. we obviously don't know whether or not there will be challenges. he said this isn't over yet. there are concerns about how this all came about, how slowly the results, whether or not they really were very much unprepared. that's definitely one story line that isn't going to go away. there are so many out of this, right? i think another one is marco rubio. and rubio outperforming expectations. if you look at the last couple
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polls, he was supposed to come in at 15% and 17%. instead, he gets within striking distance of donald trump. they're looking at this as a three-man race. they're actually saying we actually tied with donald trump. a lot of it is probably atrinitiable to a couple factors. one is that late breakers, people who decided in the end a plurality of them went for marco rubio. a lot of what happens here is about one-on-one contact. he did so many events in the closing days. 36 events in the final ten days. and really did a lot of that kind of up close and personal kind of interaction. the other thing was i think he had a little more of a ground game than a lot of people expected him to. it doesn't in any way rival what we saw with ted cruz, which was really extraordinary, what he had on the ground here. but i got some late numbers that in the end, they had 200,000 voter contacts from marco rubio in the last month.
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30,000 people were identified as rubio supporters. and 10,000 door knocks in just the last four days. again, those numbers, not the same as ted cruz. but part of this strategy that he had, that he could kind of come in late, that he would focus not on all 99 counties but on the 20 counties where mitt romney had done well, and as the results were coming in last night, and i was keeping in touch with the rubio people, they were saying it was kind of all coming together the way that they expected it to. and then in the end, eventually, exceeded expectations. of course, the question is, who takes the real momentum out of this, tamron? and all those people who are toward the bottom, who have to frankly very strongly figure out how they're going to make gains in new hampshire or their campaigns may well go away. now, senator cruz is hitting the ground running. trying to build momentum from all of this. his iowa win. he's about to hold an event in new hampshire next hour, then fly to south carolina, and back to new hampshire again tonight.
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nbc's vaughn hilliard joins the campaign and joins me by foun. is cruz anticipating he has a bigger target on his back with trump and rubio taking aim? >> well, hi, chris. we're actually on a bus. we're going from manchester to wyndham. we have to stop here this afternoon, then we get back on the plane, head back to south carolina. for him, he had the target on his back. that's the crazy part about it. in iowa, he had everything coming from the long time governor of the state coming out and saying he would be damaging to the state, to attack ads from donald trump, marco rubio. even mike huckabee attacking him. it was a firing squad on him. we saw the polls and all thought that was going to be the outcome of it until suddenly yesterday, and that's when i think he completed the full grassley yesterday where he went to all 99 counties. a testament to -- he went to a small town on friday, hamlin, a
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place of 252 people. and you know, those are places that donald trump wasn't stopping at. he consistently tried to frame this as a two-man race. obviously, marco rubio made up sort of a disaffected vote among iowans there that went to him. but i think for ted cruz, heading into new hampshire, it's momentum. second here in the polls. if he's able to make a strong case and fend off the likes of a marco rubio, chris christie, john kasich here, maybe the two-man race is a reality coming out of new hampshire. >> the other thing you can't ignore is how much money they have in the bank. one of the things i'm sure you hear all the time from the folks there at the cruz campaign is they've got a good store of cash still. >> sure, they have $20 million still left in the bank. if you look at 2008, mike huckabee, 2012, rick santorum, they may have been caucus winners, but they came out with not much plan, not much money, not much of a plan to go beyond. if ted cruz is go and do well in
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south carolina, then you have march 1st, the march 1st states including a large swing through the south, i guess the prognosis for a ted cruz campaign is good because they proved themselves in iowa. 48,000 voters they got out to the polls, which is 8,000 more than has ever come out before. so if you're able to do it in iowa, and that aggressive of a way, especially amid all those attacks, you have to be feeling pretty good. >> vaughn hilliard, thank you so much. one of the things to look for in terms of momentum, by the way, is how much campaign cash is coming in. i heard from the folks on the rubio campaign this morning. they say they yesterday had their biggest online day since he announced. we'll see what ted cruz's numbers look like. meantime, the self-funding candidate, the defeated donald trump is now in new hampshire after thanking iowans for their hospitality. but his second-place finish is profound for a man who brands himself as a winner. some of today's headlines now calling trump a loser.
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the front page of the new york daily news, one of his hometown papers called trump, quote, dead clown walking. peter alexander joins me from manchester, new hampshire. peter, we had had radio silence from this guy who loves twitter, but i understand he has broken his silence. >> yeah, this was obviously twitter has been his megaphone for the course of this entire campaign where he's spewed a lot of his insults and other comments directed at his rivals, and frankly, anybody else. and now for the first time in 15 hours we're hearing from donald trump once again on twitter. as you say, he writes, my experience in iowa was a great one. i started out with all the experts saying i couldn't do well there. and ended up in second place. nice. he's right. he did end up in second place, but you know, don't miss the fact that he almost ended up in third, barely a point ahead of marco rubio. that would have been a devastating blow for donald trump. the bottle line here is this
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clearly casts a shadow on the idea of his invulnerability, his inevitability in the race. he has branded himself as a winner, and now his first time on the ballot he suffers his first defeat. the real thing to watch today with a rally scheduled in new hampshire at around 7:00 is how trump responds to this, last night, he spoke for three minutes. he was brief and gracious. similarly, he was that way in that tweet that we just showed you right there. but what does he do now? does he pick a new target? a target he has largely ignored, marco rubio, now find his way into donald trump's sights? how does he overcome the organizational deficiencies that became apparent in his inability to bring out the forces in the state of iowa. beyond that, what does he do to renr reenergize the masses that have filled up the stadiums and gyms across the country. >> how do you and can you in a short time overcome those organizational deficiencies.
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>> back to tamron hall at msnbc headquarters in new york. you're going to be heading to new hampshire to look at how donald trump is adjusting and all the other candidates are making their mark. >> we'll join you on the ground for the next six or so days. meanwhile, chris christie got only 2% of the vote last night in iowa. but many are asking what about new hampshire? can he improve his chances of getting the nomination or is he out of the race? moments ago, chris christie spoke to the media. he's already targeted marco rubio, attacking him for being, quote, too skrimecripts. >> it's time for him to man up and step up and stop letting all his handlers write his speeches and handle him. that's what they do. that's what you have to do for someone who has never done it before, so let's get him up here. let's get the boy in the bubble out of the bubble. >> there you have it. chris christie already tough talking. regarding marco rubio, who had a surprise showing, nearly beating
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donald trump last night. and we'll have much more in a few minutes from chris christie's bus tour through new hampshire. also developing in new hampshire, live pictures. this developing now. the crowd preparing for hillary clinton. bill clinton also will join her to get out the vote effort at nashua community college. taking place any moment now. they're starting the show there. we'll bring you their comments, the tag team clinton team in place. we'll bring that to you. plus, what was the key to ted cruz's win, and what does it all mean in new hampshire? steve kornacki has been digging into the entrance polls from the iowa caucuses. did donald trump missing that fox debate hurt him? was sarah palin worth the headlines he received from her endorsement? we'll dig into what we learned in the entrance polls and perhaps that will show us some insight into new hampshire. we'll be right back. hey joanne, want to trade the all day relief of 2 aleve with 6 tylenol?
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developing now, live look, they're getting ready for hillary and bill clinton to hold their get out the vote event in new hampshire. they have already made their way from iowa overnight, as did bernie sanders, to the next important stop. we'll bring you the comments as soon as they begin there. while clinton barely avoided another embarrassing defeat in iowa last night, she has a lot of ground to make up of course in new hampshire. she's crisscrossing the state all week, trying tanarrow the gap between her and bernie sanders ahead of next week's primary. the clinton campaign will also be analyzing what happened in iowa, where she once led sanders by as much as 40 points. joining me now, nbc contributor and sirius xm host, jason johnson. also with me, chris kofinis, democratic strategist and former chief of staff for senator joe
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manchin. thank you for joining us. jason, let me start with you here. you have some interesting data coming out. i think we all expected, of course, bernie sanders to do very well among young people. we kept hearing if they showed up, he would do well. if the turnout was high. all of those things were correct. we go back to hillary clinton's speech that was highly praised about all of the millions of cracks in the glass ceiling for women. i think people are wondering about her relationship with female voters, democratic and independent, who i think many believe would not fall in line but certainly see the appeal of her candidacy. >> well, you know, tamron, it's interesting you say that, because when i was at a caucus last night in the 33rd and 34th districts right here in des moines, iowa, i actually heard hillary clinton supporters saying we think that there's some resistance to having a woman as the nominee. in fact, an african-american senior citizen told me that. there is a possibility that
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hillary clinton is running into some sexism within the democratic party. she'll face that if she ends up being the nominee. at the end of the day, this was about organization. bernie sanders put a good organization on the ground. clinton had a good organization on the ground. she's got a real race on her hands. those kinds of social and demographic challenges are part of the race for both of them. >> chris, chuck todd put it this way. she avoided a complete disaster. i know clinton had won iowa before, so she has that it's a win, but we know it comes with a lot of questions. >> well, i mean, she clearly needed the win, and you know, i guess you can call it a tie for all intents and purposes, but she's more or less being declared the winner. it saves an enormous bad headline. now the question is what happens in new hampshire? based on the polling, and i take the polling with a grain of salt, she's definitely in a hole. you know, if you go in terms of the dynamics of the race, i think what you'll end up seeing is new hampshire ends up being
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potentially a loss, but south carolina and nevada end up being stronger for her and put her, i think, in a better position. i think the problem that we have seen, at least i have seen, in this campaign and in this race is sanders has a message that is tapped, voter anxiety has done it effectively. we have seen this in the focus groups we have done and dotalke about here on the show. secretary clinton does not have a message that's resonating. they have to right that message ship if they're going to stop the momentum sanders has now. >> when you look at some of the images, and i had someone tell me bernie sanders campaign feels like this is about you. hillary clinton's campaign feels like this is about me. if that's a real perception among a large amount of voters, how does she push back on that effectively? >> well, i think the mistake that i think is happening, you saw it even in her closing
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remarks yesterday in iowa. if you listen to sanders speak, you don't hear the word "i" very often. when you hear clinton speak, you hear the word "i" a lot. democrats voting in a primeerary, especially in the early states, they're motivated by big vision, big ideas. now, they may be unrealistic. we may call them pie in the sky, whatever it is, it doesn't matter. they want to hear where you're going to take the country. and the tweak, a fundamental tweak the clinton campaign has to make is paint the bigger version. they haven't done that. they have made this a campaign thinking her experience is going to be enough. it may be in the bigger states, but not in the early ones. that's the change they have to make. >> jason, when she has amended her message, she's accused of cooping the message of bernie sanders even though you look at her intear career and her legacy, that has been her message. it's just right now bernie sanders is owning it. and people are buying it.
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>> yeah. look, bernie sanders is the hot band, and hillary clinton is the old diva. it doesn't mean her songs don't work. it's just that people are listening to something new right now. the important thing to remember is people have to change in their campaigns. bernie sanders had to start talking about foreign policy because of what happened in san bernardino. hillary clinton is going to have to adjust after what happened last night. it doesn't mean either one is being disengen ws. his is really important, there is not nearly as much tension, at least not here in iowa, between the hillary and bernie camps as there were between the hillary and obama camps were in 2008. and that helps both of these candidates going forward. this party will coalesce around whoever the nominee ends up being. >> thank you very much, gentlemen. >> developing now, chris christie is now in new hampshire after coming in tenth place in iowa. he is set to hold a town hall. he's not giving up. what keeps this campaign going? what does chris christie have planned?
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fresh from his re-sounding victory in iowa, new republican front-runner ted cruz will appear in the next hour at a campaign event in new hampshire. he'll then head to south carolina for an event ahead of that state's primary, mark your callaenda calendar, february 20th. and new details on how cruz won in iowa. steve has been looking into that. peter alexander read the first tweet from donald trump. we don't know exactly what his strategy will be, but he could learn something from the entrance polls. i do want to start, also, is ted cruz the official front-runner because he is so behind in new hampshire? >> it's tough to say. look, history says you win the iowa caucuses, what happens
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next? you struggle in new hampshire. we'll see what ted cruz is able to do. maybe the results offer some hinlts. take a look at the map. the green counties are donald trump. the sort of brown-orange are ted cruz. purple are marco rubio. a couple things jump out about this. first, ted cruz won in a lot of places where rick santorum won in 2012, where mike huckabee won in 2008. for instance, up here in the northwest, this is a big county, sou souix county, conserve, rural. he won a lot of these rural, religious counties. at the same time, he made some inroads in the east that we didn't see with santorum and huckabee. it looks like cruz was picking up the old ron paul supporters who were not with rand paul. donald trump had strength along the mississippi river, in the eastern part of the state. trump also had a little more support than you might expect in the western part of the state, evangelical voters there. the key, the other thing to
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point out is right here, around des moines. the des moines suburbs, ames, iowa, iowa state university. over here in the east, it two areas of the state where marco rubio really focused his entire campaign, and it paid off. he he nearly caught trump for second place. 99 counties in iowa. he won just five. that was almost enough to move up to second place, tamron. >> thank you very much, steve. let's bring in republican strategist john feary, he's standing by. looking ahead to new hampshire, who's the guy to watch? >> john kasich and marco rubio. if kasich can prove he can be number two, he can make himself a viable candidate later on. the establishment is starting to coalesce around marco rubio as their last best hope against donald trump and ted cruz. i think you'll see a lot of money flow into the rubio campaign. the question is can kasich who has been there a long time stick around enough to be a viable contender in south carolina and
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beyond. >> john kasich got 2% of the vote. carly fiorina, the bottom of the screen, 2% as well. why more confidence in john kasich and not carly fiorina? >> the last ten polls have had kasich around second place in new hampshire. i think kasich has done much better in new hampshire. as iowa goes, so goes alabama. iowa is not necessarily a great predictor for the republican nominee. it hasn't been for a long time. new hampshire is a little better for that. i think that there's two stories here. one is that jeb bush did so poorly in iowa, and all the bush people are not coalescing around rubio, who did so well in iowa. >> it is kind of stunning when you look at jeb bush, the amount of money he put in and the fact no one is talking about him today, even being able to recover here. going to marco rubio, it's been interesting to watch some of the republican stwrrategist express more confidence in him the day after. we really didn't hear that going
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in. i know it was counter to what the polls were showing, but it seemed to be very little to no confidence in what he was able to pull out with his team. >> well, i think the reason is that there wasn't a lot of evidence of him having a big ground game in iowa or new hampshire. i think it really, he really exceeded expectations, and as steve pointed out, he did it in kind of the college towns, the suburban areas, and a surprise victory, even though he's in third place, a big victory in the expectations game. there are three tickets out of iowa, and marco rubio has one of them. >> we took a live shot from his campaign, one of his field offices yesterday. he was surrounded by those young people who were working to the very last minute. and what we learned out of iowa is that the ground game from the trump team was not what they certainly portrayed in the end. but how do we move forward? how does your party move forward with donald trump at this point?
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you have not been a fan, but he still leads a sizable -- in a sizable number in new hampshire? >> yeah, that's the big question. what do you do about trump? the fact that trump is now seen not as a winner but as a loser, does that kind of impact some of the folks who come in. the other thing that's interesting about new hampshire is it's not a caucus state. it's a state where independents can come and vote. the big question is, are the independents going to vote for bernie sanders or are they going to vote for john kasich or stick with donald trump? we know that trump was expected to win in iowa, and he lost. while he did give a gracious speech, it was still a speech of a loser. the question is, does that follow him to new hampshire and deflate the bubble. >> whether he's a losing or not out of iowa, and he is, he has the talent of sucking up the oxygen in the room. so how does your party now tangle with a damaged front-runner, someone whose answers certainly as it relates to policy, what to do about iciss, about the economy, what
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would he do about china besides say china, the situation gets tighter around him. how does that damage the party if he remains the person that everyone is talking about out of that race? >> well, that's a good question, tamron. i think the other question is, who is the front-runner? is it donald trump who lost in iowa, is it ted cruz, is it somebody else? is it marco rubio, who has exceeding expectations. i think it's a jump ball. i know what the polls say. we'll see what the polls say for new hampshire, if they're proven to be accurate. >> he may not hold on to the polls. may have learned a lesson there. >> developing news, chris christie is about to hold a town hall in new hampshire. he wrapped up his bus tour this morning. kelly o'donnell spoke with governor christie moments ago. we'll bring you more information on christie's strategy. already shaping up to be attacking marco rubio. we'll be right back. is the pert for catching up with family.
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this just in. developing now, chris christie is holding a town hall in new hampshire. let's listen in. >> that also led to disappointing results, but none we're ashamed of, especially after we watched what happened to the country in the three years since the campaign and how much better off the country would be if mitt romney were president of the united states rather than barack obama. so i appreciate meg coming and diving into the fight with me. she's doing it like she did everything else, like she ran ebay, hewlett-packard, organized, tenacious, jumped in with both feet and incredibly encouraging. when you're in the hotel rooms late at night and you're a candidate for the united states, some of the best text messages i get at 11:00 and 12:00 are from meg whitman because it's only
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8:00 or 9:00 at night in california. she says, is it too late? it's never too late. i'm always awake watching tv and by myself, and it's great to have a friend. it's almost never with strategy. it's almost always with encouragement. that's a really good friend to have. thanks for being here, meg, and for all your help. let's talk about the race. we had voting yesterday in iowa. nothing really changed. i always thought ted cruz was going to win iowa, and he did. i always thought donald trump was going to lose, and he did. and i always thought marco rubio would come in third, and he did. and everything else after that really meant absolutely nothing. all the rest of us were bunched up between 2% and 9%. so nothing really changed yesterday from iowa. everything we thought was going to happen happened. now the fun starts. >> listening in to chris christie saying now the fun starts. obviously, he's doing a bit better in the polling coming out of new hampshire, but saying nothing has changed since iowa.
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according to him, he knew that ted cruz would win. he knew that donald trump would lose. and that marco rubio would come in third. chris christie putting a lot of hopes on his game plan and his ground game in new hampshire. christie has been on a bus tour through the state and he spoke with nbc's kelly o'donnell on the bus moments ago before this town hall started. take a listen. >> we're polling along with everybody else in new hampshire other than donald trump, we're within the margin of error of everybody here. nobody has broken out here in new hampshire except for trump. >> is it the bridgegate still a drag on you? >> nobody asks me about it. i really don't think it is. i think it's -- listen, i think much of bridgegate was an exaggeration by the media. >> will you have a campaign beyond new hampshire? >> yeah. absolutely. but i have to do well here to earn it. everybody here has to earn it. >> you'll have the money and the staff to go on?
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>> if i tuearn it, i will, yeah. >> kelly o'donnell joins us live. that is key. what are we talking about as far as money that chris christie has? >> well, tamron, chris christie says they have run a lean operation. and so he believes they have been careful about staffing. and careful about spending their money. they have raised between his own campaign and the super pac, about $25 million. but they have been able to spend far less than some of the competitors. it really comes down to, he must perform well here. results tend to draw in new money. and then he believes he can go beyond that. but all of that will be decided over his performance in the next several days. trying to find that lane that might be establishment, might be governor centric, competing against jeb bush, john kasich, and that of course has been a very tight contest. we're inside his bus. he gave us access. he's inside doing the town hall meeting now. our conversation was free flowing as we were traveling
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from point a to point b here in new hampshire. he also took on marco rubio in our conversation, and said that rubio has been sort of treated like a, quote, boy in a bubble. meaning his campaign has not had him really mixing it up with reporters in press conference style events. clearly, rubio has done media appearances and interviews, but christie sort of challenged him to take some of the unexpected things that might come his way, more of the hard scrabble of what a campaign can be. clearly, christie is trying to take some of the shine off the marco rubio win or win as in coming in third in iowa. and i think there is a sense that it will all be determined here saying that there's a lot of voters he's encountering who have not made up their minds yet. we had this behind the scenes access. we'll play more of the conversation as the day goes on. >> greatly appreciated. >> hillary clinton's campaign declared vict wrae in iowa early this morning while you were likely asleep. our first read team says it feels more like a loss.
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organizer here, thank you. ellen malcolm, thank you. and somebody told me it's your birthday, so happy birthday. >> look, i will be very brief and to the point. we are having a big debate in america full of anger, anxiety, and apprehension because it takes a long time to get over the crash that happened eight years ago. and because the country, with the exception of the 1990s, has been growing more unequal for a very long time. and we are now in a position to actually do something about it. so the question is, what are we going to do and who's the best person to do it? and finally, in the last few days in iowa, we began to have a
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debate about what are the differences, what's the consequences and who's best to do it? hillary can talk about all that. what i want you to know is that one of the things i learned about being president that comes instinctively to her is that there are the great days. you know, we're going to have some great days. she signs a bill to give us 100% coverage in the health care law and deal with some of these problems, we're going to have some great days. you sign that legislation to make america the world's leading country in creating a new economy based on clean energy jobs and modernized infrastructure and when we make college affordable for
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everybody, and debt manageable, and everybody gets to pay back as a small fixed percentage or income, there will be some great days. there will be tough days where something happens terrible to somebody in america or around the world, and then there are all the other days. in other words, the life of a president is like your life. there have been great days, there have been tough days. and then there are all the other days. you got to show up every day. every single day and make something good happen. i believe she's the best qualified person for this moment in history, that i've ever had a chance to vote for. and i believe it not because she's had more experience trying to protect the security of americans and advance our values and our interests around the world than everybody else that's running in both parties put together, not just because she's had a lifetime of working to
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deal with the challenges of working families and children and give women and girls equal opportunities, but because she's the best change-maker i've ever known. now, being a change-maker is different than holding a certain public office. in office, you figure out how to make something good happen. one of the most reveal things to me based on my experience of having to do the job in the whole series of debates we've had was the question that came up at the end of the last debate in charleston, south carolina. where the moderators surprised them all. and said, is there anything we haven't discussed, do you think we should? and he called on hillary first. first, let me say i'm no
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criticism of what senator sanders or governor o'malley, they made me proud to be a democrat. they were all outraged about what was happening to those people and the water, what happened to the babies with the lead. but remember what they said. hillary said when this happened, i was upset. and i said to somebody, i called and see what i could do. someone goes down there and says, yeah. and i ask for this much money, they gave me 10% of it. i need the rest. here's one, two, three, four, five. what can i do? you can go on television, don't talk about the campaign. don't talk about anything else. tell them what's happened to us and why it costs this much money to fix the problem. she did it. they got the money. now, i don't know if that's the only reason they got the money because all over america, there's this, oh my god, people learn what happens to pregnant women with little babies if they
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eat too much lead, their children could be born with shrunken brains and change everything. even if the children look healthy, they could be damaged, but the point is, her immediate instinct was what can i do to make it better? the other guys gave good answers. her opponents said, what the governor did was terrible and he should resign. and maybe he should, but her instinct was, what can i do right now to make it better? and so, look. next month will mark the 45th year since i met hillary. when i met her, i was amazed at how she sort of zeroed in on
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things and made something good happen. whether it was legal services in law school or working for the children's defense fund -- >> we're listening in to bill clinton, of course. in nashua, new hampshire, the first big after the caucus in iowa to address her supporters already lined up there. we'll continue to follow this development out of new hampshire to hear more from hillary clinton. meanwhile, nbc's kris jansing. what happened last night, kris? >> reporter: i think it will be critical. look at people like bush, christie and kasich. what's their path forward and will there be pressure to get out, especially from the donor class. it will be fascinating. i'll see you on the ground in new hampshire. >> see you in a short while and we will be in new hampshire live tomorrow. meanwhile, that does it for the
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coverage of the aftershocks of iowa this hour. meanwhile, andrea mitchell is up next.
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i'm andrea mitchell in nashua, new hampshire, as hillary clinton tries to redo her campaign. she's here after winning in iowa. she has to say this. >> all that determination right here to new hampshire where we're going to work hard up until the primary next week. i am so grateful for all of you, every single one of you who are here this morning to kick off this last phase of the primary campaign here at new hampshire. as you know, my husband and i are pretty fond of this state. we have made friends starting
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back, oh my gosh, in 1991, who have been with us year after year. they are people we care about. people we know are making a difference in this state. i just got to give your governor a big hug as she was heading out the door, and i am absolutely thrilled about her campaign. because the united states senate. now, this, this is an exciting week for a lot of reasons. it is after all, the process by which we choose who each party will nominate for the most important job in our country. some say even in the world. and it is up to new hampshire voters to weigh in in the first primary in the nation. and what i'm excited about is i
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think in the last few weeks, we have seen the arrival at the right time in this campaign for you to understand what the contest of ideas really is between me and my esteemed opponent, senator sanders. i am excited by that because that's the best way for you to make up your minds. what do we stand for? what do we think needs to be done? how do we believe we can do it together? how do we make a real difference in people's lives? how do we make sure this country that we care so deeply about stays true to its values, keeps providing opportunity, begins to go after the ines ferquality. not just economic but race, gender, sexual orientation inequality, with the kind of
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poverty of spirit that has too much influence over the lives of too many of our fellow americans for? so i come to you with a lifetime of service and advocacy and of getting results. and i am grateful that bill was out here because he does know a little bit about the job we are competing for. and i have to confess, not just because yes, we did meet 45 years ago, always surprised when i say that, but he produced results with the american people. and he got the opportunity to do that because of the people in new hampshire. so i want to make this case to you and i want to ask you, during the next days to go out there, talk to your friends, your neighbors, your colleagues, about what is at stake. it could not be more stark.
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between what i offer and what the republicans offer. between my record of results and their efforts to turn the clock back on all the progress we have made in america. so let me just run through some of the basics, because one of the things i love about new hampshire voters is you all sift through it, you give it the o e once-over, you make up your minds on what makes sense, look at what people are proposing, does it just sound good on paper, can it get done? who's most likely to be able to deliver what you need for yourself and your families? i think the key issue has to be and must be the economy. that has something that we democrats agree on. you know, we believe that we've got to get the economy producing
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more good-paying jobs and raising incomes again for everybody willing to work hard, do their part, get ahead and stay ahead. and i think it's fair to point out that the facts are on our side. the democratic party produces presidents who have proved the economy and get americans more of a chance to live up to their dreams. that is a convenient argument, but it had the benefit of being true. i'm not just standing here telling you this because i'm back in new hampshire. we know our economy does better with the democrat in the white house. and we know that our last two democratic presidents were pretty darn effective in taking what the republicans handed off to them, turning it around, and putting us back on the right track. that is exactly what i will do.
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just a little brief history period here, because i do think it matters what we've accomplished in the past. that's how you can judge us. that's how our party can be judged. and when my husband became president, he inherited a recession. he inherited the quadrupling of our national debt and a deficit. when he got to washington, what do you uniquely bring to washington? he thought for a minute and he said, i guess arithmetic because we're going to make it add up for the american people and that's what happened. after eight years, 23 million new jobs. but most importantly, and this is what i want you to hear. because this is what we were able to accomplish and must do again. incomes went up for everyone. everyone. not just those at the top, middle class families, working
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people, and most importantly to me because of my long advocacy on behalf of kids, we lifted more people out of poverty in those eight years than any other recent time in american history. that matters. and we ended up with a balanced budget and a surplus. now, i think that is not only a good record for bill clinton, that's a good record for the democratic party and what we stand for, and what we can do together. now, i wish this were a story that could continue to have happy chapters to it, but along came the republicans again. and we must never, ever let anybody in new hampshire forget that trickle-down economics was a failure then and it would be a failure tomorrow. at every single one of those
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republicans, that's the same snake oil that they're peddling today. so in came a republican president, and don't ever forget, close elections matter. you either win or you lose. it's a little bit different when you get selected by the supreme court, but nevertheless, george w. bush became president and immediately began to dismantle everything that had been built. cut taxes on the wealthy. get out of the way of corporations. take your eyes off of wall street. the mortgage markets. and we know what happened because we lived through it. and in came a new young dynamic democratic president, there was so much to he had fought for and advocated for during the campaign. the first thing he gets met with is we're losing 800,000 jobs a month. thanks to the failed policies of the other party. so i remember talking to the
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preside president-elect when he asked me to come to chicago after the election and wanted to ask me to be secretary of state but before he got to that, said it's much worse than they told us and it was. we ended up losing 9 million jobs. people are asking, why are we upset? angry? frustrated? 9 million jobs, multiply that over by family members. that's a lot of americans. 5 million homes lost. the most important investment you ever make. ripped away because of the mortgage fanangling that went on. and people, $13 trillion wiped away. and that's what president obama inherited. >> energized after declaring victory last night. and again today saying that she had won in new hampshire, she has won, rather, in iowa before
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coming to new hampshire overnight. but still only the apparent victor in iowa. won by a decimal point and a coin toss basically, as close as that was and talking about the republican outcome in a very interesting iowa result. how is jackson following ted cruz the winner, telling chris christie in new hampshire, donald trump, casey hunt. led by bush and introducing hillary clinton. first system about the new language coming from hillary clinton. she's emphasizing people's anger. she's echoing, as she said, she's a progressive. she's really trying to tap into the themes that work so well, really, for bernie sanders in iowa. >> she is. these are things we've heard her talk about, but she's emphasizing them more and more
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and certainly last night in that speech that she gave, she was adamant. i am a progressive. talked about the health care plan and the goal was health care to all americans, of course, something bernie sanders talks about as well. and what she was doing was taking her policies and putting them into terms, i think, that were easier for people to understand. and i think that's something that she has struggled with. particularly, look at some of the exit polling we saw. the campaign trying to say, this is a win. a win is a win. but still, there are some hard questions she's going to have to answer. bernie sanders had a wide margin among young votes. >> and casey hunt was talking about bernie sanders, because remarkably, and you were interviewing him on the plane, off the plane. and he immediately went to rally with some of his followers who were there at 4:00, 4:30 in the morning on a cold night in new hampshire waiting to cheer him
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on. pretty remarkable scene, andrea, when we took off from des moines, not knowing whether this race was called or not. it was still so close. he called it a virtual tie, of course. and talked to reporters on the plane. he said no matter what the official result turns out to be here, he feels like he's proven something very important to him. he says, there's plenty of people who support me but they say i can't support you because you can't win. and he said, you know what? tonight we proved that that was not the case. now, of course, as soon as we landed, the sanders plane did not have wi-fi overnight. and about 3:40 in the morning, nbc news declared hillary clinton the apparent winner. found out shortly before disembarking and talked briefly on the tarmac. asked at that point whether he had any plans to contest the result considering how close it was. at the time he said he wasn't
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ready to do anything along those lines. i've since talked to his campaign officials saying their focus will be forward and into new hampshire and south carolina, although they plan to keep close track of those counts. but for bernie sanders, this really is, while he may be officially declared in defeat by many major news organizations, coming here, landing, felt like a victory to him. they had several hundred supporters who had been waiting for hours at night. his plane was delayed taking off because we didn't have the result in des moines, so many supporters waited out in the cold, drinking dunkin donuts coffee and apparently broke out into the simon and garfunkel song that became famous with the ad in iowa. >> while that was going on, halle jackson was talking to ted cruz, the strong winner in iowa. what an upset against donald
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trump and marco rubio, talk about that in a moment. but let's talk about ted cruz. you had a chance to talk to him afterwards. halle? >> reporter: i did. and you know, andrea, the campaign had been feeling confident really for days prior to last night's caucuses. even after they started flipping in the polls to donald trump, after trump's continued attacks on topics like ted cruz's eligibility and other policy topics. and personality topics as well. calling him a nasty guy. the campaign felt good about last night and even as the results started coming in from the different precincts, they had a feeling they would come out on top and modelled this and even with that voter turnout of 186,000, they felt like they knew they were going to have the organization and the caucus goers that they needed. ted cruz wasting no time, he got on the plane. he headed from iowa up here to new hampshire and landed at about 5:00 this morning. really a celebratory mood, the staff was popping champagne bottles and celebrating the victory in iowa. now the focus shifts to new
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hampshire. for example, we're at a church here. it's another patched crowd. the evangelical vote is not as big as iowa but cruz is hoping to peel some of the support away and peeling support from the libertarian group and then appeal to tea partiers as well but the focus is south carolina. they talk about south carolina and those sec primary states in march. ted cruz pointed out after the victory speech, unlike other past winners of iowa, mike huckabee, rick santorum, he has the money, and he has the resources to be in the race for a while. it's a marathon, not a sprint at this point. $19 million cash in the bank, feels confident he is ready to go basically all the way. we'll see. andrea? >> and meanwhile, donald trump in a remarkably humble, very brief comments after his defeat
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to ted cruz, katy tur, what are we hearing from donald trump today? >> very gracious last night, andrea. not so gracious this morning. as we know, he got the most votes in iowa gop caucus history save for ted cruz and this morning, he seems to be a little angry he's not getting credit for that in the media and tweeting that the -- because he couldn't do well in iowa, he didn't spend that much in iowa. he only spent a fraction of what cruz and rubio did but came in second, that it was a great honor. that's how donald trump will try to spin the news, spin his loss to say he was never expected to do well in iowa. he wasn't going to win there. he only has a little money and strong second is what he's happy with. we saw him saying this earlier on the campaign trail in iowa, sort of laying the groundwork for in case he did lose. he will be here in new hampshire today. he has an 18 point lead here in new hampshire according to the latest cnn poll. the question is, will the
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momentum, will he lose momentum coming out of iowa and see him in a different light now? will the spell be broken? we're going to find that out in the coming week. i know that he's going to have a rally here at 7:00 eastern tonight. the rally is in new hampshire and historically for donald trump been ruckus affairs. will he be able to maintain the moech momentum and what he do about marco rubio now closing in on him? >> and in fact, katy, kelly o'donnell is on the bus with chris christie who took a shot at marco rubio. i think marco rubio was one of the big stories coming out of iowa last night. kelly? >> reporter: well, andrea, certainly chris christie is trying to separate himself from both ted cruz and marco rubio as first term senators. christie positioning himself as a governor who has taken hits in the press, had crises to deal with and make decisions.
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we're here on his campaign bus and will be touring new hampshire. he said iowa is in the rearview mirror, and that for him, this state has always been make or break. he didn't expect to do well in iowa and the results bore that out. so he's saying that voters here get a chance to make a decision. is experience important? do they want a fresh face who is from the senate? he's making that battle in town halls. he's inside doing that right now. and one of the things that he is doing is taking a shot at marco rubio on the idea of, will rubio take enough questions? will he be feeling the white, hot spotlight? he certainly does interviews, but chris christie has a new way to describe marco rubio. here's what he said a short time ago. >> you know me. unlike some of these other campaigns, i'm not the boy in the bubble. we know who the boy in the bubble is up here who never answers your questions, constantly scripted and controlled, because he can't answer questions. so when senator rubio gets here, the boy in the bubble gets here,
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i hope you guys ask him some questions. it's time for him to man up and step up and stop letting all of his handlers write his speeches and handle it. because that's what they do. but that's what you have to do for someone who's never done anything in their life. >> reporter: christie taking on rubio hard today and also saying donald trump doesn't look so much like a winner anymore and he told me despite bernie sanders' strong showing, he does believe hillary clinton will still be the victor on the democratic side, and one question here, andrea, is that there are those voters who are independent-minded with a choice between democrats and republicans. christie is not looking for the crossovers but the republicans in new hampshire to support him. andrea? >> kelly o'donnell, thanks to you. and katy tur. and of course, halle jackson and kristen welker here with me. the republican candidates, as you see him move to new hampshire, all the politicians after last night's surprising
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results in iowa. >> it's the message this week about electability? >> it's not electability but growing the conservative movement. it's not winning one election. it's about growing the number of americans who vote on the basis of limited government, and a strong national defense and free enterprise. >> now, we can stop with the donald trump inevitability, right? because the guy who does nothing but win lost last night. >> msnbc's steve kornacki talks with me right now. let's talk about what happened. first of all, what happened last night? it looks like cruz pulled this off thanks to evangelical voters. >> it's interesting when you look at the map of iowa. the evangelical turnout was very high. 62% of the republican elector e electorate, and cruz did well with the evangelical vote but when you look at this map and cruz is sort of the orange-ish, brownish color on here.
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the evangelical vote is heavy here in the northwestern part of the state and this county, sioux county, he did win it. even north of sioux, a huge number out of here and scattered in here, a lot of trump green. trump did make some inroads into the evangelical vote and inroads into the rural part of the northwest where cruz was banking his campaign on. where cruz benefitted, it's interesting in this map. two things. first of all, you look towards the eastern part of the state, you see a lot of these cruz counties, particularly here in the northeast part of the state. this is where ron paul, ron paul did very well here back in 2012. he was winning a lot of these counties. this was the heart of the ron paul area. it looks like a lot of those voters switched over, came out. they were for ted cruz and the other thing, if you just start looking county by county across the state, if we went into these, you'd see ted cruz wasn't getting blown out in too many places. he had stronger areas. the rural sort of interior of the state, the northwest, and up here in the ron paul area. but he didn't have areas where
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he really fell down or lagged. this was more evenly distributed support for ted cruz than we were expecting. >> and the other thing that is really noteworthy that the polls were telling us, trump was going to win. so what went wrong with that whole model? >> so yeah, that was the thing. we were saying the higher the turnout, the better donald trump will do. they shattered the record with the turnout but donald trump barely held on for second place. if you look at where trump's votes came from, the two strongest counties, right here and right here. so excuse me, sioux city and council bluffs. these were his strongest parts of the state. where things started to fall apart for him were a couple of areas. one right here around des moines. this is des moines and here's the des moines suburbs right here. he got blown out in dallas county. that's the fastest growing suburb in the state. sort of white collar professional republicans. this is a college county right here, marco rubio won it. trump blown out in the college
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county. this is where iowa state is. he got blown out here and this is where the university of iowa is. johnston county and the other thing that went wrong, this is a part of the state. mississippi river river valley. trump was expecting to do well here and win a number of counties, beat in davenport. he was not getting the numbers out of here that i think we expected he would get. >> steve kornacki with the maps. thank you so much. and coming up, with cruz's victory, will he win new hampshire? you're watching a special edition of a"andrea mitchell reports" in new hampshire, on msnbc the place for politics. it's how i try to live... how i stay active. so i need nutrition... that won't weigh me down. for the nutrition you want without the calories you don't...
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we just got off the plane. we don't know enough about it. >> that was kasey hunt with bernie sanders when they landed at 4:00 or 4:30 this morning and a big crowd waiting for him, he went right to remarkably. that was the virtual tie in iowa and the road ahead for bernie sanders for the top strategist, tad devine. tad, first of all, your take on the outcome last night. >> what happened yesterday in iowa, the american voters know bernie sanders can go toe to toe with hillary clinton and get to the top tier candidates now. only two of them left and everyone knows they have a real choice. they can vote for someone who takes on a rigged economy and sending too much to the top. held in place by campaign finance.
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that's the message. i think iowa was the event that established that field. i think new hampshire will be the event that gives us momentum going to the other state. we work really hard for a victory here next tuesday. >> in the speech last night and listening to it here, he's talking about his a progressive, wants to expand health care, universaluspeculators and sounds as though she's adopting your message. >> well, i can see why. it's the most powerful message and i'm sure they'd like to talk about it, because they can see the impact it had on voters and i'm sure they understand the impact it's having elsewhere, but you know, a message has to not just be the words that a candidate says. you have to have the credibility to deliver that message. if you want to take on wall street, you've got to be willing to stand up to it. you cannot take enormous amounts of money and campaign contributions and speaking fees from wall street and then say you're going to be tough on them and regulate them. there are big differences between bernie sanders and
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hillary clinton when it comes to wall street policy. bernie said break up the big banks. they were too big to fail before and now bigger. she doesn't want to do that. we should debate these issues. it doesn't have to be acrimonious or negative, but the public and democratic primary voters deserve this debate and we're prepared to have it. >> barney frank. campaigned for hillary clinton. he says that your candidate, bernie sanders, doesn't really have to be and doesn't really stand for doing the hard things that are necessary, making the compromises, dodd frank, and working towards regulating the banks when he said he would. k >> i think bernie sanders stood up to wall street, refuses them on, independent from them. he wants to lead the democratic party in a new direction when it comes to our relationship with the power centers of money and
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influence in our society. >> i think it's been seen by 170 leading economists, are seeing what's at stake. we look forward to presenting it in the days and weeks ahead. >> i want to clean up the results from last fighnight. it was a decimal point, a coin toss. are you in any way going to try to contest those results? i know it's not official. >> we want to look forward and move ahead. we like to know exactly what happened yesterday in iowa and there was a lot of places, you know, our campaign was contacted late last night by the state party to say they needed more information, they didn't have it.
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we would like the facts but we're not looking to make some big contests about what happened yesterday. we're very proud of what happened and by the way, i just like to remind people about iowa. yesterday, the precinct caucus was the beginning of the delegate selection process in iowa, going to county convent n conventions and the state convention. and we will work that process and when we're done, we expect to win more delegates in iowa. we're going to stay in iowa and work through the process to win more delegates and think we will. >> tad devine, thank you so very much. appreciate you being here today and it was two for the price of one with hillary and bill clinton in nashua, new hampshire. we'll break all that coming up on "the fix" coming up on on "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc.
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welcome back. i'm andrea mitchell. we're in nashua, new hampshire. hillary clinton is here and she begins campaigning trying to reverse the trend after that very close call in iowa. joining me now, nbc contributor and susan buers, "washington post." in iowa, explain to the viewers what happened with the coin toss. it happened in the middle of the night, practically. or late last night and it was reported in the middle of the night. we were on a plane without wi-fi on the clinton press plane. when we landed, we discovered all of this stuff happened. landed at 4:00 in the morning. >> there were half a dozen precincts. it was that close to determine the delegate division but this is not the delegates that are
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reported to look at last night that were reporting with a narrow division between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. instead, these are delegates to the county convention. a little misleading. this doesn't deliver the victory to hillary clinton but underscores just how close it was last night. >> and chris clizza, first of all, the age factor. 84% of the young people, 17 to 29, were supporting sanders in these caucuses. that's a real warning sign for hillary clinton going forward. sha she's behind him by a big double digit number in new hampshire. would you propose that gap as a strong contender for the nomination, she's got to do snog something to appeal more to young people. >> that was the entrance polls. 84% to 14%.
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among young voters, by way of context, barack obama who in 2008 was sort of the candidate of the youth vote, one of the pillars of his coalition, he got 57% in iowa among voters 17-29 and hillary clinton got 11. it's a different race, obviously. there's a third really competitive candidate there. really a two-way race but two votes in iowa among 17 to 29. eight years apart. hillary clinton got 14% last night and 11% eight years ago. so she has very much struggled to demonstrate appeal among that group. >> and susan page, hillary clinton is back here in new hampshire and our debate. so far, down in south carolina,
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is there some risk in that given what happened when he was in south carolina eight years ago and they ended up supporting barack obama? >> here is the problem that they face here in new hampshire. this is not for her, an uphill struggle. bernie sanders has a lead right now and rewarding neighboring states like vermont. so the calculation for people is she's saying right now she'll stand and fight here? but in south carolina and in the super tuesday. that's her. they have to be brave to lose against bernie sanders. >> that's her firewall, but there's a lot of crossover appeal. first of all, for bernie sanders, think about the reagan democrats and the people who are going to be looking at some of the republican candidates and the general election campaign
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against hillary clinton, but look at bernie sanders appeal that might be among blue collar voters in south carolina and in michigan and pennsylvania. >> i think the question is, is it enough? going to benefit in more states? >> i think margin might matter. i think it's unlikely she wins prior to iowa but can she withstand losing at does that matter? when they were continuing, the numbers, she remains heavily
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favored there. i do not expect her to win in new hampshire in a week's time. >> and susan page, it gets very noisy at the rally ending, now divided? evangelical voters. >> what a surprise. biggest number in the history of iowa caucus. that helped ted cruz's victory there. we got a big turnout, a record turnout of evangelicals. clearly, for ted cruz. >> susan paige, thank you so much. chris cillizza, as the rally coming to a close, too close for comfort.
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hillary clinton escaping the disaster in iowa and bernie sanders in new hampshire. we'll ask one of the top advisors. we continue with "andrea mitchell reports" in new hampshire. (man) hmm. what do you think? ♪ (stranger) good mornin'! ♪ (store p.a.) attention shoppers, there's a lost couple in the men's department. (vo) there's a great big un-khaki world out there. explore it in a subaru crosstrek. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. because you can't beat zero heartburn! i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn ahhh the sweet taste of victory! prilosec otc. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn.
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at ally bank, no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like vacations equal getting carried away. more proactive selling. what do you think michal? i agree. let's get out there. let's meet these people. i'm so thrilled to coming to new hampshire after winning iowa. i've won and lost there, a lot better to win. >> declaring victory again, but boy, the age gap we've been talking about the entrance p polls. 84% supporting bernie sanders from 17 to 29. now a strong supporter, new hampshire senator, hillary clinton supporter, jean shahine. senator, what went wrong? why can't hillary clinton
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connect with younger voters? >> well, that's not my take on it at all. the fact is, bernie sanders said if he had 170,000 people out, he was going to win but he didn't because people are excited about hillary clinton. and they're excited in new hampshire. i can hear it in the background there in the rally for hillary and she's going to continue to work hard going across and i think hillary clinton will get this nomination. she's going to continue the hard work that it's going to take, and i think she's going to be our next president. >> but senator, there is an age gap problem and even younger women are not supporting her in the numbers that you would expect given her record. she can't seem to connect. does she need to change her
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message? >> look, this is a long campaign. i was in nashua and there were students there working hard for hillary, young women excited about her, and i think as this campaign goes on, we're going to see those students understand and listen to her proposals. this is around the world. this is a long campaign. people are just beginning to pay attention, and i think when those young people hear the differences between hillary and her opponents, that she's going to come out on top. >> speaking of new hampshire though, there's a big gap on the polling showing that bernie sanders is way ahead. look at the numbers themselves. 57% to 34%. how would she catch up?
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what is the expectation game? what would you like to see as a result in new hampshire? >> obviously, i would like to win, but what we know historically is that the candidate from a neighboring state has historically won in new hampshire, except when howard dean was going against john kerry and john kerry won, they were both from neighboring states. we know that's what our history is and again, i think hillary is going to continue to work hard this week. she has a great organization in new hampshire, just as she had in iowa, and people are going to be working hard to get every single vote out to convince every undecided that this race is about who should be the next president. it's about who has the experience, the knowledge, who doesn't need any on the job training, and that person is hillary clinton. and, you know, the challenge in the democratic side, and we have seen that hillary has faced, that she's not only faced criticism from her democratic
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opponents, but also from the republicans. because they understand that she's the person they're going to have the most trouble beating. we've seen that. we're going to see that continue. but i believe she's going to prevail. >> bernie sanders has had a remarkable surge though. he started out against clinton. she had the organization, she's been on the ground long before he was. and he was 40 or 50 points behind. as he pointed out, it ended up in a virtual tie. what do you attribute the attraction of his message this year? >> well, i think, as we've seen with donald trump and ted cruz, that voters are frustrated. and they want things to change. now, what i hear from voters is what they want is somebody who's going to work in a bipartisan way, work across the aisle, work with their colleagues and get things done in washington. and that's one of the reasons
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i'm supporting hillary clinton. because she has a history of doing that. and i think we need somebody who not only understands what we need to have done in this country, whether it's around the economy, whether it's with our financial sector, how do we reduce the disparities we're seeing in terms of wages, but we also need somebody who can protect this national security that we need, who can continue to build on the obama legacy, continue to restore confidence in america, around the world and i think that person is hillary clinton. and there isn't anybody in this race, democrat or republican, who has those kinds of credentials and experience and i think that's ultimately what will prevail. >> briefly, senator, do you think that it will be to her advantage to move on to south carolina after the debate thursday night and not focus so
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much on new hampshire since bernie sanders had such a big advantage here? >> well, i don't. i think she needs to continue to fight in new hampshire. and she said she's going to do that. i want to see her do well in south carolina too, but, you know, she was in iowa right before the caucuses, and at a time when you all predicted bernie was going to catch her. and he didn't catch her because she was there, she was talking to people, she was working hard. and back in 2008, the polls show that obama was going to beat her by 15 points in new hampshire, and she turned out winning. i think this race is still undecided. i think there are still a lot of voters to make up their minds and i intend to do everything i can to help tell them why i think it's so important that we give hillary the nod in new hampshire and at the convention come next summer. >> senator shaheen, thank you
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we're back in nashua, new hampshire, waiting for ted cruz after his big victory in iowa. halle, how does he try to make inroads here? new hampshire is a very different phase than iowa. you don't have the evangelical vote. you don't have the tea party vote. >> no, the evangelical vote is a fraction of what you see in iowa. maybe 20% or 25% versus in iowa, for example, 62% this past cycle. we actually lost our spot up
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front. we'll walk you up here. this is the packed house for senator cruz. we'll have a photographer head up and show you this as we talk. the strategy here is to really try to go after the libertarian vote that might be a more natural fit for rand paul. new hampshire is not a place that ted cruz might necessarily be successful, but picking up momentum in iowa is something that could benefit him over the next week. here's the trip to new hampshire. which you know as well as i do, a lot of the folks sitting here may be undecided. new hampshire has a reputation for deciding at the last minute. folks say they're kind of kicking the tires. one gentleman said he's cruising the candidates, why he came out. jeb bush, john kasich, chris christie and the candidates to make their sales pitch here. we expected him on stage, if you take a look 20 minutes ago, but it looks like he's running a little bit late. you can see the production value here. they've got videos running, music running. time to hype people up but this is ted cruz's argument to people
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in new hampshire who may be undecided. he's not here long. in about three hours, he heads down to south carolina where he'll hold a rally in greenville and picking up an endorsement. the same day marco rubio is announcing an endorsement from tim scott. a lot going on. south carolina is next focus and after that, the sec primary states. andrea? >> just told me colleague on the vote line. a win is a win. well, that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." we'll be live in new hampshire tomorrow. the countdown to the primary. follow the show online, on facebook and twitter at @mitchellreports. next here on msnbc, the place for politics. about businesses being hacked and intellectual property being stolen. that is cyber-crime and it affects each and every one of us.
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it was bizarre night in iowa. >> a big sigh of relief. thank you, iowa. >> tonight, the state of iowa has spoken. >> we finish second. and i want to tell you something, i'm just honored. in fact, i think i might come here and buy a farm. i love it. >> donald trump now looking up at ted cruz. but watch out for marco rubio and hillary clinton eked out an apparent win over bernie sanders. is that result good enough for either campaign? there's no west for the weary. >> the public gets you. i hope you guys ask him some questions and maybe he'll answer more than three questions and do more than 40 minutes on a little
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stage, telling everybody his speech he's memorized over the course of his time. this isn't the student council election. this is election for president of the united states. >> they're already up in new hampshire. the ink barely dry on iowa and candidates going after each other. their primary a week from today and campaign teams have descended on the granite state. we start with white house correspondent chris jansing back in des moines with the recap of what happened last night. kris, what happened? >> reporter: they've never seen anything like it. you have the delegate equivalent. never been this close in the history of the democratic caucus. 699 for hillary clinton. 695 for bernie sanders. he calls it a virtual tie, and there are still a couple of
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those delegates outstanding, which could bring it even closer, and then in the middle of all of this, there were 90 different precincts where they were slow to report and the question is, what was going on? in the end, there has been some question about democratic party mismanagement. did they handle this badly? could bernie sanders decide, given how close the race is, to somehow challenge this? even though we have supposedly a victor, hillary clinton has said that she's the winner and the campaign has put out a statement. we just don't know what's going to happen with all of this controversy that's going on in the democratic side. >> and on the republican side, you know, it depends who you ask, i guess, chris, whether it was expected or not expected. >> reporter: well, let's look at it this way. trump has absolutely defined this campaign, frankly, on both sides. set the agenda. he was the guy sucking up all the oxygen and getting the attention, and bringing in
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thousands of people to these incredible rallies. so there is no way to look at this other than on the republican story, on the republican side, the big story is that donald trump has lost. but he goes into new hampshire, a prohibited favorite, but the problem that plagued him here which was lack of a ground game, can't be changed in a week. so the big question is, could that big lead that he has narrow or even disappear given the momentum that seems to be with ted cruz and some extent or marco rubio? >> chris jansing wrapping it up in des moines, iowa. thank you so much. donald trump left iowa last night with a title that he is not used to holding. loser. the usually bombastic trump gave a subdued concession speech after the second place finish in iowa last night. >> we finished second, and i want to tell you something. i'm just just honored. i'm really honored, and i want to congratulate ted and i want to congratulate all of the
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incredible candidates including mike huckabee, who's become a really good friend of mine. so congratulations to everybody. >> trump didn't rush as quickly as the rest, but tonight, the donald will hold a rally in milford, new hampshire. that's where we find nbc's katy tur. i thought it was an indicator he stopped tweeting for a while. 15 or more hours and then tweets recently with lots of explanations for what happened last night. >> reporter: i think the headlines have not been good by any stretch of the imagination. in fact, was redirected to donald trump's wikipedia page at one point. and this morning, he's not been on tv which is interesting. he hasn't been doing morning shows, no phoners but started tweeting. let me read the tweets because it seems like he's blaming the media and voters even for what happened in iowa. because i was told i could not do well in iowa, i spent very
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little there. a fraction of cruz and rubio came in strong second. a great honor. and tweeted, the media has not covered my long shot fairly and brought in record votes, second highest in history and i don't believe i've been given any credit by the voters for self-funding my campaign. the only one. i will keep doing, but not worth it. about what he was able to do in iowa though, he did do something that is pretty remarkable. he came in second, but he got the most votes in iowa gop caucus history, save for ted cruz, better than santorum in 2012, and better than mike huckabee in 2008. that is a remarkable thing considering he is a first-time politician with very little ground game in iowa. what's going to come back to hurt him and haunt him is the ground game though. they were saying it was his undoing. he didn't go to grassley, 99 counts but expecting the voters to come to him. he got a great turnout there,
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but will it change the momentum coming to new hampshire? as of now, he's got an 18 point lead according to cnn's most recent poll and he hasn't got quite the same ground game here, even as others do. he has been here a lot of times. most of the time, he's coming here for the very big rallies. he has been to a diner, where he didn't interact with many voters or the people in that diner. he has been to one house party. he hasn't done anything the traditional way. but new hampshire is a much more moderate state. much more independent state. a much more, could be much friendlier to donald trump. much more his style. so it does still have a very good chance here. the question is, has the spell broken around his candidacy? >> katy tur, fresh off the plane in new hampshire now. i'll see you up there later on tonight. katy, thanks. meanwhile, ted cruz expected to hold an event in wyndham, new hampshire. we'll keep an eye on when that starts. this is the first rally since
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the surprise victory, maybe not. his victory in iowa last night and halle jackson has been following the cruz campaign for months. she was with him last night in iowa and she's now with him in new hampshire. halle, i just held up "the new york post." this is the headline. cruz-ified. this is a good day to be ted cruz. >> reporter: why wouldn't it be? you just won the iowa caucuses, right? and in new hampshire, headed to south carolina. coming back up to new hampshire. you won the evangelical vote in iowa, about a third of his supporters in the caucus were evangelicals. 62% of them turned out, more than what we saw in 2008 and 2012. fair to say the cruz campaign is flying high. to the point where on the charter from new hampshire to iowa, they were popping champagne bottles and celebration because it was a good night for them, potentially giving them momentum for a place like new hampshire and waiting to come on stage.
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and because of the logistics, we're out here in the foyers. they're signing people up to make sure they know where they vote next week, just one week away. got the swag people over here, cruz merchandise. it's to look at some of the libertarian vote to peel that away and the vote is much smaller than in iowa, that's an area where cruz's aids see some strength. the other part of it though is shifting focus to south carolina. so significant, he's headed for a rally in greenville and popping up to new hampshire for spending time until the primaries. so he's really trying to cover all the bases. south carolina feels like the stronghold for his campaign and then they're looking ahead to the sec primary states. they feel like they have the resources and leadership in place to be effective. listen to a little bit of the conversation that senator cruz and i had right after his victory speech in iowa. what is this meaning for you going forward? you head to new hampshire and south carolina tomorrow. what's the strategy for you? how do you win the nomination
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from here? >> look, it's very much the same thing as what we did in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, nevada, and all across the country. which is a grassroots campaign. we had 12,000 volunteers here in iowa. we've got over 200,000 volunteers nationwide. and our campaigning here was done person to person. neighbor to neighbor. looking to men and women of iowa in the eyes. we go to vfw halls and dunken donuts, we are answering the questions of the men and women of new hampshire and earning the votes one person at a time. >> reporter: and kate, you know the dunkin donuts was sort of a hat tip to here. iowa, pizza ranch country. this is dunkin donuts land. it's packed here at the ted cruz rally but i think you buried the lead. you're coming to new hampshire. >> tonight, i am. news flash.
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coming up tonight, and we're going to start anchoring tomorrow morning on msnbc from there. i'm excited about it. i'll see you up there. we'll dip in. we watch, halle, you're right outside but inside the room of the senator's wife speaking. so let's listen in. >> the average of $60,000. that is an incredible team. and before i get into my three reasons as to why i fell in love with ted, because i put some thought into it and there are three key things. yesterday, i spoke to the pella caucus. and it was so easy to give my reasons why iowans in that caucus should vote for ted. but on the way home, we got 20 minutes from the caucus when the results started coming in. and when i saw ted at 28, just an overwhelming feeling of specific pride and admiration that i have for him came into my
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heart. for the one person who leads this team, who sets an example to the campaign and to voters every day, taking the high road, of never getting rattled, of thinking strategically of prioritizing the right things at the right time in the right states, of standing on principle and never wavering, this was a candidate who won the state of iowa by a good margin being against the renewable fuel standard. this is a candidate -- [ applause ] and the reason he won with that position is because he didn't stop with being against something. he reminded iowans of their better selves. we don't need to rely on government. that they can do it. and he worked with the private sector in iowa to have a plan for the growth of ethanol. this is a person who's incredible thoughtful on
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solutions to make things better for this country, better for the economy, so people can make better money, not government. and going through that and having the courage of his convictions and winning that state, and being so unflappable in the face of a myriad of pretty crazy attacks in the last two weeks, for our family, he really is our strength and his strength comes from his faith, comes from his god, and i was so proud of him last night for never breaking. and he won't ever, as your leader, as we go through the primaries, the general, as he beats hillary and leads this country. and i just want to share that part. >> we've been listening to heidi cruz. that's ted cruz's wife, speaking up in new hampshire at their first event since leaving iowa a winner last night. you also saw his daughter caroline, 7-year-old up there for a while. she looked tired, every parent could understand because they flew overnight from iowa to new hampshire.
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we'll keep an eye on this event, and as soon as we see ted cruz, if there's an opportunity, we'll go back to it. i'm joined now by sena mada, she's covered ted cruz and other republicans during the course of this race. good to see you. >> thank you. >> let me ask about last night. why do you think ted cruz and marco rubio had such a good night? >> reporter: well, ted cruz, he had such an organizational advantage. more than 12,000 volunteers from all over the country that came to iowa to knock on doors, to make phone calls, to reach out to voters. they were living in a dormitory called camp cruz, spending morning to night helping out the vote for him. pastors throughout the state. he had volunteers i think in every precinct. this is an organization that matters in iowa and also, he barn stormed the state. went to 99 counties, the full grassley in honor of chuck grassley. retail politics matters in this state as well as california.
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>> did trump underestimate both cruz and rubio's ground game? >> reporter: i think so. if there was a disadvantage that trump had going into this caucus night, it was that his organizational structure in iowa was questionable. he had some good people leading his effort in the state, but he didn't have as much of a ground game as senator cruz or rubio. i think people underestimated rubio because last year, he wasn't spending a ton of time here. they were questioning whether his campaign team here understood the iowa caucuses but he's spent the most time of any republican candidate since thanksgiving and it really paid off. he peaked at exactly the right time. >> if you look at new hampshire now, does marco rubio have enough money to stay competitive or to be the establishment candidate now? >> reporter: i'm sure he's made money off of lead last night but the establishment has been all over the place and coelessed behind one person and definitely got some momentum coming out of last night. and over the next seven or eight
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days, we'll see if establishment, people going for governor kasich, they decide that senator rubio is their best chance to take on senator cruz and donald trump. >> sena mado with the "l.a. times," thank you. appreciate it. not long ago, chris christie was considered a top tier but with a tenth place finish in iowa last night, can he make a comeback in new hampshire? we're on the road, on his bus just ahead. >> and the only person who would do worse than ted is trump, and if you vote for trump as a republican, you're buying a ticket on the titanic after you saw the movie. don't do that. americans. we're living longer than ever. as we age, certain nutrients become especially important. from the makers of one a day fifty-plus. one a day proactive sixty-five plus. with high potency vitamin b12
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ted cruz may have eked out the victory but trump beat cruz by seven points among first time caucus goers. 30% of first timers supported trump while 23% supported ted cruz. also trump won among moderate voters and marco rubio earned 28%. add for ted cruz, 9% of moderates. joining me for more analysis, former white house press secretary for george w. bush, ari fleischer is with us. >> thank you. >> did you sleep at all? >> you know what? you're not on the trenches, you can go to bed early. >> i did the same thing. about midnight, i thought, just going to take a four hour break and then get back to it. you saw the numbers from the entrance polls. you're a student of all of this. ted cruz does really well in a state that has a lot of evangelical voters.
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i guess the big question, what happens in new hampshire? >> well, new hampshire is mauuc more moderate, liberal, republican state. 40% call them moderates or liberals in the 2012 primary. it's much more difficult for ted to repeat in new hampshire but here's the marco rubio factor, so interesting. does it create a divide in conflict for ted cruz? this republican race remains an absolute fluid dynamic race with multiple actors. it's going to be very hard to predict. >> so interesting. when you talk about marco rubio, are you hearing from establishment types today and shift because of last night yet or anyone saying, you know, i'm going to move from jeb bush to mar marco? >> i think that shift starts two or three months ago during the debates. people have been waiting for the
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moment. i predict to you after new hampshire, you'll see several leading republicans drop out. i do think the central dynamics are set that it will be a trump/cruz/rubio race. they're going to bounce off of each other and all the states. it's going to be hard for the moderates, so-called moderates, establishment candidates to stay in. >> do they have to wait until after new hampshire? i know that's the conventional wisdom to wait for voters to vote, but they're burning money at this point. >> i mean, i was shocked at john kasich and jeb bush dropped out before new hampshire. no reason for them to do so but a look at their candidacies. they should have done better in iowa and would have thought, but they didn't. the dynamics are still essentially a three person race. others will hang on because it's politics. they always do hope lightning will strike, but it's going to sort itself out after new hampshire to a three person race in my opinion. >> you said before that it could end up being the sort of you, no you drop off. like a waiting game. >> that's right. and if you're one of the
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governors, you're kasich, christie or bush, you look at tore governo the other governors. i'm staying in case lightning strikes. but, you know, rubio's got momentum. that counts for a lot in politics. and i think the big players, the money people who have been on board with jeb for a long time, i think you'll see a lot of movement after new hampshire unless jeb does well. >> good to see you. up next, governor chris christie throws punches and presses for a come from behind win in new hampshire. >> let's get the boy in the bubble out of bubble and let's see him next week. i'm ready to play. i hope he is. why are you all here? to learn, right? so you can get a good job and you're not working for peanuts. well what if i told you that peanuts can work for you? while you guys are busy napping, peanuts are delivering 7 grams of protein and 6 essential nutrients right to your mouth. you ever see a peanut take a day off? no. peanuts don't even get casual khaki fridays.
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♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ chris christie. unleashing on the third place finisher, marco rubio. this was just a few hours ago,
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the new jersey governor, the potential hopeful brought up rubio without being asked. we're going to show you the whole thing now. >> i'm not the boy in the bubble, okay? we know who the boy in the bubble is here, who never answers your questions, constantly scripted and controlled because he can't answer your questions. so when senator rubio gets here, when the boy in the bubble gets here, i hope you guys ask him some questions. because it's time for him to start answering questions. he wants to say this race is over an it's ad it's all him. he has to answer your questions and you, and you, and you. and he hasn't. so now it's time for him to man up and step up and stop letting all of his handlers write his speeches and handle it. that's what you have to do for someone who's never done anything in their life. let's get him up here. get the boy in the bubble out of the bubble and answer his questions. let's see if he'll gaggle and
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answer your questions and stand up and take that, because i don't think he will, because i don't think he can. so if he would like to challenge -- i would be happy every day. i'll have as many gaggles as marco rubio has every day. he wants to sit here and answer your tough questions about your flip-flops on immigration and your tough questions about his back-up record and experience, he wants to answer your questions about why he ran away from his own immigration bill? i'm fascinated to hear the answers and i'm sure you will be too and maybe more than two or three questions at a town hall meeting and more than 40 minutes on a little stage telling everybody his canned speech he's memorized over the course of this time. this isn't student council, this is election of the united states. let's get the boy in the bubble out of the bubble and play for the next week in new hampshire. i'm ready to play. i hope he is. because i'll be ready to see him saturday night. >> you see why we wanted to run the entire thing, give you the full context there.
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kelly o'donnell, following chris christie. that was quite a moment, kelly. >> reporter: well, clearly, it's on here in new hampshire. and that gave you all of the outlines of the chris christie argument for his place in this race and now nicking away at marco rubio. he never expected to do well. that's not really his sort of voter base. but new hampshire, he believes is. so christie is talking about the fact that he will answer any questions. you heard him make that contrast with rubio. who has done interviews but not doing the same kind of free flowing gaggle question and answer. i spent time with governor christie today saying that he hopes voters here who are often expert at this process and often go differently than the voters in iowa do will look for executive experience decision making. that's the case he's got to make.
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but clearly, he's raised less money and getting less of the buzz. and he has been one of the figures that people said should have been doing well, and in terms of polling and fund raising, it's been a rough go. can he turn it around here? that's his expectation and that there would still be a path that might be different than the trump/cruz/rubio path. sort of the executive experience governor's path. that's what he's going for. in a bus ride today, we talked about his chances, where he stands right now. take a listen with that. >> the fact is that if you don't do well here, it becomes more difficult for you to raise money. more difficult to gather more supporters no matter where you go. because people know that new hampshire has had a very good record of picking presidents. they picked nominees fairly well. you'll get the track record, they've done that well. what happens here really gives people a sense of whether you're viable or not. it's going to be important for me, but i've never hidden that.
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>> reporter: and so that gives you a sense of the snapshot of chris christie, his sort of state of play here. and he clearly knew that boy in the bubble, which was at first referenced as '70s movie with john travolta in a sort of bubble protected from the world, that that is how he's playing marco rubio's conduct. not doing enough of the rough and tumble mix it up with reporters kind of thing. and voters, for that matter. the rubio team i'm sure will view that quite different, but that's a headline. a buzzy comment that's certainly getting attention. >> okay, kelly o'donnell up in the christie campaign. we're keeping an eye on candidates today and we want to take you to new hampshire, town hall meeting with ted cruz, fresh off of victory in new hampshire. >> i spoke at the republican national convention and talked about the national debt. i talked about our two little girls, caroline and catherine.
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afterwards, i went back to the hotel room and began looking at twitter. that was before donald was tweeting about me every day. and i began looking at twitter and it so happened that paula poundstone, the comedian, was watching that night. i guess she didn't have anything better to do. and she sent a tweet. she said, ted cruz just said, when his daughter was born, the national debt was $10 trillion. now it's $16 trillion. what the heck did she do? heidi and i both laughed really, really hard. but our daughter caroline who was here somewhere, i don't know where she is, but she's here. caroline is 7. i want you to think about that. in her short life, the national debt has gone from $10 trillion to now just last week, we
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crossed $19 trillion. in caroline's life, what we are doing to our kids and grandkids, it is wrong. it is immoral. no generation in american history has ever done this to the next generation. and if we don't stop it, young people are going to spend their entire lives not working to meet the needs of the future, the priorities of the future, their priority, but working to pay off the debts of their deadbeat parents and grandparents. you know, the media doesn't understand why people are so ticked off with washington. but when you start mortgaging the future of our kids and grandkids, people have a way of getting fairly irritated about that. the reason we're here today is we want our country back.
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this is a movement from the people. it is a movement of people who are furious with washington, dc, with the washington cartel, with career politicians in both parties who get in bed with lobbyists and special interests and grow and grow and grow government. now, when was the last time we broke the washington cartel? 1980. 36 years ago, and i'll tell you, the granite state played a critical role in making that happen. you know, back in 1980, all the media said this guy reagan, he's a crazy right wing kook and down in the polls. that's what the media said over and over again but live or free
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or die state took a look at reagan and said that guy believes what he's saying. he's not reading from talking points. he doesn't have a consultant who said, okay, go pretend you're for this. he is speaking from the heart. he means what he says. he tells the truth, and he's going to do exactly what he says, and the granite state shocked this country by giving reagan the victory and it literally, the men and women of new hampshire changed the course of history of america and of the world. your actions liberated billions from bondage. won the cold war. tore the berlin wall to the ground. that's what new hampshire did. and washington doesn't like that. what scares washington is when
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the people stand up and serve the sovereignty of we, the people. >> we've been listening to ted cruz speaking in wyndham, new hampshire, his first big event since winning iowa last night. he flew overnight with his campaign. we saw his wife and daughter earlier. ted cruz rousing the crowd there, telling them new hampshire voters are important. referring back to the election of ronald reagan. iowa turned out to be a lot closer than expected on the democratic side as well. hillary clinton narrowly edging out in what nbc news is calling an apparent win against bernie sanders, race that the sanders camp calls a virtual tie. and now it is new hampshire where sanders is leading big in the polls right next door to his home state of vermont. the latest cnn wmur poll shows a lead over hillary clinton in the
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granite state. let's turn to kristen welker, following the clinton campaign. she's in nashua, new hampshire, where clinton just spoke. kristen? >> reporter: hey there. that's right. secretary clinton wrapping up her remarks. she was fired up today. i have to say, in these recent days, she has been as strong as we've really seen her on the trail. and today, she essentially said what we've been hearing from her campaign, which is a win is a win. very important to point out. last night, kate, when she spoke, she didn't use the word victory. she didn't use the word win. well, that changed today. take a listen to what she had to say a few minutes ago. [ inaudible ] >> i am so thrilled i am coming to new hampshire after winning iowa! [ applause ] >> i could tell you, i have won and lost there. it's a lot better to win.
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and it's also a great tribute to the organization and my supporters there and we're bringing all that energy, all that excitement, all that determination right here to new hampshire where we're going to work hard up until the primary next week. >> reporter: now the reality is it was a photo finish. this was the narrowest of margins, and the sanders campaign calling it a tie. so they're saying it's a win for them. here's the official statement from the clinton campaign. i'll read you just a little bit of it. hillary clinton has won the iowa caucus. statistical statistically, no outstanding information that could change the results and no way that senator sanders can overcome secretary clinton's advantage. so that's the position of the campaign, and right now, they are focused on moving toward. new hampshire, where as you rightfully pointed out, secretary clinton is trailing senator sanders by double digits. campaign officials acknowledge
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it is going to be very tough for her here and that's in part why they build up this firewall really in other states. south carolina. nevada. and the super tuesday states where she does have a lead. we just learned secretary clinton releasing her first ad in south carolina, which features from the attorney general, eric holder, katy, the african-american vote, it will be very important if she wants to win south carolina. one more point, i had the chance to ask former president bill clinton a few questions at the rope line. if that narrow finish in iowa in any way blunltted her momentum moving forward. they are thrilled. >> i saw eric holder a few weeks back in south carolina for the nbc debate, sitting right up front. clearly a big supporter. have they released the travel schedule? sometimes it hints where they're focusing. >> reporter: we don't have it. i can tell you, she spends a lot of time in new hampshire and i
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can also tell you president clinton in new hampshire. there will be a focus in new hampshire. it's possible she leaves, but not likely. you're going to see her surrogate really hitting south carolina hard as she keeps her focus here in new hampshire. >> kristen welker, thanks so much. chris matthews is coming up, by the way, with his live interview of hillary clinton. that's what we've been seeing down in the box in the corner of your screen. so stay tuned to hear from secretary clinton herself. it was a race so tight that in a few iowa caucus precincts, some county delegates were decided it's true, by a coin toss. coming up, we're going to take a look at the tooth and nail battle for the nomination between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. stay with us. ♪ everything kids touch during cold and flu season sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. across america, people like badominique
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that's what the political left is about. >> calling it between clinton and sanders in iowa historically close and the sanders campaign has not yet made a decision on whether to contest the results from iowa. help us understand. they could contest the results if they wanted to. >> this is a party race. not a government race. there are many states where the law would require a recount with a margin far larger than this.
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this was under half a percentage point, and the actual margin. >> the most nail biter in the history of nail biters. >> i had to put up my glasses just to see the margin of this outcome. what would happen if they wanted to contest, probably wouldn't move a final delegate but to make the point, as the sanders campaign, it's tied or as we know from other recounts, it would shift enough to be slei t slightly in the lead. it's state party rules. the iowa state party puts this together and ultimately is governed. the final word by the dnc, if she want they wanted to go that far, they would file it before the democratic national convention and that goes through the parties, not any final government arbiter. but what would be the point really? >> why? why bother? >> only the beauty contest, to be able to say, no, we won. the sanders campaign might win new hampshire and want to say, we won the first two states, we want to plant that flag. there is precedent for parties
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changing the iowa republicans, first, romney won and change it to santorum and in the way our contest works and everybody at home appreciates this is it's not just the raw number at the early stage, it's who has the bragging rights. donald trump did win delegates last night but because he obviously lost, came in second, that is a different feeling, i think and could affect the future as opposed to too close to call or a win. that's what we're watching. i know hillary clinton about to speak to crist matthews and may discuss aspects of this. how close is too close but said as soon as the numbers came in at 3:40 in the morning, there's no statistical way according to the clinton campaign the actual outcome could change. the final rule is there. >> that's where you got to go next. the coin toss is the most fun element from last night. >> so we looked at this. in fact, something i do in the legal unit is so you don't have to. we flip through the entire state party rules. they do not govern or officially recommend a coin toss for this situation. the only mention of a coin toss in the state delegate's election
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plan for 2016 is a totally different phase when you're dealing with a man or woman to start the delegates because they look for gender parity and flip the coin to decide and then it goes man, woman, man woman from there. a later process. >> i thought we saw there's home video. iphone video of a -- >> it happened. it happened. >> what was it for? >> for deciding last night, delegate outcomes. what i'm telling you is it happened, but that is not officially put in the rules. that is something that the state party has recommended. you can draw names out of the hat. folks might see this and say, wow, love our democracy or what is up with our democracy? >> it's the whole caucus thing, right? it's sort of a crazy but it works system. >> but if you look for potential arguments as we know sometimes in the race people are, that's another avenue with the sanders campaign. they could say, look, they decided some of this by coin toss and that wasn't officially sanctioned by the delegates election plan. so you can go deep into the
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rules. if you want to fight over what was, and say in closing. the tightest outcome in iowa caucus history ever. >> you were with us and got the one to call -- >> 3:40 a.m. eastern time and i did, went back out to our newsroom here and anchored the result with nbc news. stated hillary clinton, the apparent winner and then we heard from bernie on the tarmac. i don't want to -- i know a lot of folks wait to hear that, but the sanders clinton campaign, neither of them had wi-fi. so they were in the air. when they landed, of course, our reporters working hard like you were yesterday covering this, casey hunt, said we just got the call. it's pandemonium on both sides. that was a funny moment here. after all the planning, all the money, both of those campaigns were spending over $30 million last quarter. but when they were in the plane, just like anybody else. no wi-fi.
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>> they could have found delta. you know, i'm a big delta fan. they have wi-fi on every single jet. >> maybe not on the charter. when they hit the tarmac, and that's why kasey hunt said, when first got off, asked about it today and known of course, there's no indication with the sanders campaign they'll do a check but haven't ruled them out. hey, this isn't quite set. that's why last night when you went to bed, there were speeches but not official concession speeches on the democratic side. >> it's interesting. tad devine with the bernie sanders camp said to andrea mitchell a little bit earlier, we want to move ahead. we want to know the facts of what happened yesterday in iowa. he didn't say they weren't going to ask for a recount but we needed more information. that we didn't have and would like to know what all the facts are. so it's interesting to see whether they officially ask for any kind of a recount, if you will. >> it will. and the iowa democrats do have experience doing this. it doesn't mean when they do it, it's always 100% clear.
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>> all right, ari melber. we're waiting for hillary clinton, lined up to talk with chris matthews up next a, and i think, do we have it ready now? not quite there. well, ari, let's talk a little bit more. >> can i tell you something? i want to see this interview. >> everybody wants to see this interview. >> no, because it's going to be interesting to see. from her point of view, last night is is done. they've -- she used the word, i won earlier this morning. all right, she is there now in the chair ready for us to talk with her. i'm going to toss it over to chris matthews. we'll conduct the interview. chris? >> thank you, madam secretary. thank you for joining us. it was quite a night last night. >> thanks. >> and i was taken with your moment of candor before the cameras when you said you had a sigh of relief. tell us about the sigh of relief. >> right.
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>> and what it meant to you. >> it meant the world to me. as we all remember, i was not successful in iowa last time. and i know how hard that caucus process is. so proud of our organization, our volunteers, all my supporters. everybody said if there were a big turnout, that would advantage senator sanders. there was a big turnout, and we won. and now i'm in new hampshire looking forward to the primary next tuesday and continuing to make my case in this contest of ideas between me and the senator. >> well, you know, the "new york times" ran this story this morning. you were disappointed, and i think it's possible to be both disappointed and relieved. you could have been disappointed at 9:00 but very relieved at : 11:00. the times changed before the results came in. were you disappointed but also
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glad you came out ahead? >> during the two weeks leading up to the caucus, i could feel the energy building. it's a tough process. and what i was seeing on the ground as people were telling me they were changing their minds, that they were supporting me, what my organizers were reporting was all consistent that it was going to be close, but if we did our work, and we did, we would win. so i was thrilled by winning and getting that boost out of iowa here in new hampshire where i am in senator sanders' backyard, as you know, as a political expert of your many years that new hampshire votes for neighbors. so i have to really get out there, make my case, which i intend to do this week. >> i just love the way you snuck that in. it's his backyard so therefore he has an advantage geographically and we shouldn't put too much stock in it. but let me ask you this because i'm looking at these polls. there is a range of polling in the last couple weeks in new
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hampshire. look at the map, it's vermont next to new hampshire right there. between 6 and 33 points he's got a lead on you up there, and i wonder how much ground you can make in a week, because we really have a week now. >> i feel really good about my campaign in new hampshire. and i remember getting off the plane in new hampshire after the iowa caucuses last time where i did not win, and i was way behind going into what was then just five days before the primary. and the work that was done on my behalf, the people who came out to support me, the incredible excitement. i saw that today in nashua. i got here, it was amazing, chris. the level of enthusiasm. people who were with me before, people who were with president obama in '08, everybody working so hard to support me, to get to that primary, to do everything we possibly can. we're not leaving anything on the ground. we're moving forward.
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and i think we'll do well. >> you know, i think everybody should have been impressed. maybe i wasn't as impressed as i should have been, but everybody should have been about the way you handled new hampshire the last time around. you came off the loss in iowa. you went out there and you would stand there -- it was like bill clinton standing there until the last dog died. you were out there on that arena, i think you were in a fieldhouse, and you went on and on and on. it went on for five hours. it was incredible. it was a marathon answering every single question of everyone in that room. it really was a physical -- a marathon. are you going to try to match that performance this time, that kind of "i can do this thing"? >> i'm going to do everything i can to get out there to meet with folks here, to answer their questions. i'm really happy we've got a forum on cnn tomorrow night. we've got your msnbc debate on thursday night, which will give us a chance to reach a larger
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audience. but i'm going to be there day after day between now and tuesday. i respect this primary process. i know how seriously people take it. and i just want them to understand what i'm offering, what i believe we can do. you know, ideas that sound good on paper but can't create results for people are just that, good ideas on paper. i have a track record of producing results. i know how to do all parts of this job. because we're going to be voting for both a president and a commander in chief. and in new hampshire, those two sides of this incredibly difficult job are really joined together. and i feel good about the opportunity i'll have to get out, meet with granite staters, make my case, and i'm going to do everything possible to get them to support me next tuesday. >> i know you've been saying nice things about your only opponent now. it's really a battle since
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governor o'malley has withdrawn. it's a two-person race. i'm going to say this bluntly. the only person between a confirmed socialist who is calling for a political revolution in this country with a nomination of the democratic party, which has always been more moderate than that, was you. when you saw that rally last night, the young people all around senator sanders, when he yelled revolution out there and they all applauded like mad, do you think that's something that is going to help in the general election, or are we looking at what we used to call in the '60s an nbc campaign. november doesn't count. we just want to win the general. you seem to be focused on the general. what do you think about focusing on the primary saying, i'm going to give you everything you want, social security benefits, tax decreases, all education paid. how do you compete with a revolution of promises, really? >> first, let me say i am
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thrilled, too, that we've got young people getting active in the campaign on the democratic side. i was very proud of the many, many young people working for me, volunteering for me, voting, caucusing for me in iowa and the ones i have here in new hampshire, i'm just so impressed with. so that's a net good no matter what. i do think that we have an obligation to keep people focused on what's at stake in this election, and you got close to saying it, chris. we can't let the republicans rip away the progress we've made. we can't let them go back to trickle-down economics, repeal the affordable care act, we can't let them stack the supreme court for another generation against common sense kind of changes that we need. we've got to get back to the middle, we've got to get back to the big center, we've got to get back to solving problems. that's how we make progress in america. i am proud to be in a line of
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democratic presidents who just got in there and fought it out, who got civil rights, who got an economy producing high incomes, who got finally the affordable care act, something we've been fighting for since harry truman. i know how hard this is and i totally appreciate how exciting it can be to be involved in a campaign that really just puts out these great big ideas. but i want folks to stop and think no matter what age you are, okay, we agree on getting the economy going. we agree on raising incomes, we agree on combatting climate change, we agree on universal coverage. who has the track record? whose gotten the results? who can actually produce the kind of change you want for yourself and your family and for our country? so i'm very energized about this because i like a contest of ideas. that's what politics should be about. we're going to be talking about and arguing about issues on our side, they're going to keep insulting each other on the republican side, but the goal for any sensible american has to
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be, do not turn the white house over to the republicans in november. do not turn the supreme court further over to their nominees. we can't let that happen. >> well, of course, i think you're offering a lesson in sisk civics and i wonder if we can do that in a couple weeks now. your party, not bernie sanders, he's not a democratic party member. your party has produced the -- the progressive income tax came from the democrats, from wilson. harry truman started to fight for health care and civil rights and all these good things that led to the affordable care act. but in every case you had a battle with republicans who argued against it. it's always been a tough fight. you need 600 votes in the senate, 218 in the house. you need these votes, and if you don't have it, nothing gets done. not him, he won't get told.
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do the kids behind him need to be told, this is how it works in our system. you can call for a revolution, but there isn't going to be a revolution. there's an election, then a nation, and a congress sitting behind you you have to do business with no matter who gets elected. you don't have to worry about logic anymore, i'm just going to have a revolution and pay for everything. >> where i come out on this is i don't think our country or the american people can wait. i don't think they can wait for better jobs with rising incomes, getting prescription drug costs down. i think people want to vote for somebody who is going to get in there on the first day, knows how to do the job, is prepared to do the job and gets to work. and i will give everything i've got to make sure that we preserve the progress we've made, because you're right, it is hard fought. our system is set up to make it difficult. checks and balances, separation of powers. you know, our founders knew that
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if we were going to survive as a great democracy that they were creating, we had to have a system that capped tkept the pat bay. we had to have people willing to roll up their sleeves and compromise. we couldn't have idea logs who were just hurling their rhetoric back and forth. we had to actually produce results. that hasn't changed since george washington. we got to produce results now, because a democracy is a fragile organism, chris. people have to believe they have a stake in it, that their voices count, that their votes count, but then they've got to see results from their investment in our democracy. our democracy has to work better, our economy has to work better, our politics has to work better. that's what i know how to do and that's what we have to get done in this election. >> madam secretary, unofficially, not on behalf of
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msnbc, you must be relieved. break a leg even if you're the only one in the chair. >> i'm going to be there. thanks a lot. take care. >> take care. >> i'll be there. bye bye. let's go back to kate snow in new york. >> that was something, chris. let me ask you a couple questions about that. we heard her basically putting the best possible spin on a super-tight victory last night, which she's calling a victory, then talking about bringing the party back to the middle. she said we've got to get back to the middle. never named bernie sanders by name, but that's her point. you can't elect him. >> first of all, just to put -- i know nbc has been very careful as they always have to be because you never want to get it wrong, but if the new story right now is she lost by a couple delegates, that would be very bad for her. i think relief is the right answer, whether it's a clear victory or not. she could have lost, and losing would have been very bad because that would have put secretary
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clinton in the position of facing perhaps another defeat in new hampshire and then waiting to get to south carolina, perhaps, to really hit that firewall of african-american support and more conservative support, more moderate support that would have saved her. this way she comes off with a moderate victory and she's able to avoid a defeat and get to new hampshire with a little bit of mojo behind her. i think it's better than that. she fits the tradition of the democratic party. the fact that senator sanders is talking about a revolution means he wants to change that tradition. he wants to go to where they got us social security to begin with, got us medicare, got us the affordable care act, including civil rights. all of that was done incrementally that got the country to stick with it. these were all, once achieved, agreed upon for the long term. it's one thing to have a revolution and have it reversed two years later.
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the demographics have been implanted in our culture. what she's asking for i don't think is a shift to the center as much as a continued progress the way we've been doing it before. >> i don't know if i heard her be so direct, without ever naming him, reverting back to the founding fathers and saying we can't have idea logs hurling rhetoric. >> look at us in this country. we have been very sen trycentri our politics. hardly left wing. we had harry truman, we had kennedy, we had johnson. we have barack obama. they've always tilted to the left but nothing rock 'em-sock 'em. even when the country has moved with raegan, it hasn't gone that far right. we've certainly made mistakes in history like it lathe iraq war, we're not a razz ma tazz
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country. we go left with obama and then we go back to the congressional election. we go a little right with the republicans and then back to the democrats next time. the american people are very conservative, lower case c, very cautious in the way they move our history. that's why we've had a democracy and elections every two years since the 18th century. we haven't screwed it up through extremism. we've been basically conserving our country and our government as our primary objective so we have that tool to advance. we haven't been jumping all over the place like france with its five republics. and a latin american country with how many coups and overthrows have they had with a change in government? we've had a very consistent government in this country since the beginning because we've done it right. >> all right, chris matthews with a fascinating discussion with hillary clinton. chris, thanks so much for your time. >> thank you. we are going to start this next hour now and go back to iowa. we finally, at long last, have
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actual results to break down, but there is not time. already candidates making a mad dash to the new battleground. >> i am so thrilled that i'm coming to new hampshire! >> and now may we astound the world again! >> god bless the state of new hampshire. >> it's good to be here. >> you in new hampshire sort this stuff out in your own quirky, unique way. >> we start with last night's victor, ted cruz. he just wrapped up an event in nashua, new hampshire where he took a bit of a victory lap after last night's win at the iowa caucuses. >> what a victory last night. [ cheers and applause ] >> last night, the men and women of iowa sent notice across this did you not that this election is not going to be decided by the media. [ applause ] >> that this election is not going to be decided by the
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lobbyists and the washington cartel. [ applause ] >> it's going to be decided by the grassroots, it's going to be decided by the men and women in this room, it's going to be decided by the men and women across this country who take so seriously their idea of vetting the candidates. >> join us now with white house correspondent chris jansing who is out in des moines. let's start with ted cruz. such a big night for him last night. >> reporter: tremendous, and now he has a whole week to take a victory lap, and he's very different than the last two winners, santorum and huckabee, in that he takes this with money. he's got $20 million in the bank and organization, two things they didn't have, and it really was the ground game that was key to him winning last night. and so he gets to claim victory now. he gets to go into new hampshire and really try to push back on donald trump and marco rubio who had a better than expected night last night.
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he's sort of punctured the air of inevitability that donald trump had, and he's going to move forward now saying, look, i'm the guy who won, i'm the guy who can continue to win and has some of the resources to see if he can do that, kate. >> and as far as donald trump, in second place, he's been tweeting about how he was a strong second, trying to kind of reset the bar from what we all thought he was going to do. >> we all know politics is an expectations game. if you listen to marco rubio who came in slightly behind him yesterday, it was a virtual tie, a three-man race now. so a lot of it is about how you present it. donald trump has been extremely successful at presenting things in the light that makes him look best. but he also has been uncharacteristically gracious and modest since his loss yesterday. take a quick listen to what he had to say a little earlier. >> we finished second, and i want to tell you something. i'm just honored. i'm really honored.
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and i want to congratulate ted, and i want to congratulate all of the incredible candidates, including mike huckabee who has become a really good friend of mine. so congratulations to everybody. >> reporter: so he has this huge lead right now. the question is whether or not he can maintain it. how much will people look at him as no longer inevitable, invincible, a winner? that is so much a part of his persona and that's gone away now, kate. >> chris jansing watching out in iowa for us. chris, thanks so much. we were talking about donald trump taking to twitter this afternoon. there was this sort of 15-hour silence from him, and then today he started tweeting again. here's some of those tweets. he wrote, my experience in iowa was a great one. i started out with all the experts saying i couldn't do well there and ended up in second place. nice. and then he wrote, because i was told i could not do well in iowa, i spent very little there, a fraction of cruz and rubio,
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came in a strong second. great honor. abby vitali joins us on the phone from new hampshire where trump is set to hold a rally later today. al ally, he didn't rush to new hampshire? >> no, he didn't. he made a pit stop in new york and he'll be here this evening. something interesting you said he said in iowa. he said a four-minute speech to supporters in the sheridan in west des moines after the count was in, an uncharacteristically short speech for someone who usually speaks for 45 minutes to an hour. he said he didn't expect to win in iowa. that wasn't a clarification we were hearing early on. in fact, that's what people were wondering about trump, would he go toward a state with more valuable voters, evangelicals did turn out for cruz last night, but it's something we started hearing from trump when
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he began kind of explaining why he thought he didn't win in iowa and why the poll that previously happened didn't actually bear out in the results. and he was saying he didn't expect to win, he didn't put as much money in there, and then also saying that the media wasn't being fair in the representation of what actually was a great finish. now, turnout was actually very high and he did turn out a lot of people, so that definitely should be said. but this is actually pretty classic trump, trying to turn the tables and say, the media isn't being fair. this is actually a triumph for me and here's why. i didn't put the money in and i wasn't expected to win, anyway. this is something we see as he heads to new hampshire where he does have a lead, and he should do well here if we go by what the polling are showing us. when i talk to people on the ground in new hampshire, they are still excited about him. his rallies here are always full of people planning to support him who are very loyal to him. this is definitely something you see him twisting this narrative ahead of new hampshire that he can come in here strong, and in
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the next week really make his case about why he should be the republican nominee even after what happened in iowa. >>ally, thank you very much. that donald trump rally happening about five hours from now, 7:00 eastern time. i want to break it down now with the "washington post," chris swaliza. hi, chris. >> hi, kate, i'm fine! >> did you get any sleep? >> i'm fine! >> lots of coffee. let's talk about last night. let's talk about what you saw. >> sure. >> we've been talking a lot about the republican side. let's start there, okay? >> sure. >> when you talked to mitt romney's top strategist, mitch stevens, and he said trump wouldn't win a thing, is he having a good day today? >> yeah, i think stuart was proven right at least in this instance. he said he thought donald trump would finish fourth. but his argument -- and this was the argument of the
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establishment sort of from the time donald trump rose until last night, was that this ultimately wasn't going to be borne out. yes, it's a flir tatation with , yes, it went longer than we expected, but when people go to the ballot box and actually vote that trump wouldn't do as well. i've been on the side of sort of dismissing this as wishful thinking, which frankly, kate, there was part of that. they wanted this to be true, so they said it was going to be true. i just listened toal al lly tal about trump. he should have won, we expected him to win, polling showed he would win. i think he expected to win iowa. he didn't, and he came in a distant second, really, to ted cruz. that doesn't mean he still is not a major factor in this race. he's clearly the favorite that new hampshire has today. >> and history shows us the winner of the caucuses in iowa
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often doesn't become president of the united states. >> no non-incumbent candidate running for president has won iowa and new hampshire. he's in good company there. >> ted cruz won 34% of white evangelicals and he did very well with those who say they're, quote, very conservative. does he have enough support outside those groups to do well in new hampshire? >> the answer is inconclusive at the moment. what ted cruz proved is that the base that he had, he knew how to get out there and get the vote. if you look at the polls before i came on with you, it's exactly as you said. his support and the way he won this race is big margins of evangelicals who made up about two-thirds and among those who called themselves very conservative. that is a group that results in every one of these states. no, it's not a group that exists in as large numbers in new hampshire and it's not a group
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that exists in large numbers even in south carolina. south carolina is a place where i think he's going to have to do well, but there is more of a sort of country club-business-republican element in south carolina than there was in iowa, and we're not sure cruz can win those just yet. >> let me ask you about marco rubio before i go. his speech last night, it sounded like a victory speech. he was owning it as the best thing that hamd since sliced bread. >> we were talking ari flesher, and this is where he sees a turning. >> well, i think politics, rubio is a perfect example of how you create your own reality in some way. if you just watched that speech and you had no idea the caucus had happened, you're like, oh, marco rubio, i didn't see that
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coming. you could tell in the run-up they thought they were going to do well. he's out on the sunday shows before the monday vote saying, we feel good. that's a certain thing they have interpoling that shows them moving up. i think getting third positions him in a way that in new hampshire if jeb bush, there is incentive to get out of the race and to unite behind erin. he's the sort of guy that stands at the front of that line. i don't think for any of them he's going to win very hard in t the next six days to be that guy. there's always first in iowa, second in south carolina, third
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reporting, was all consistent, that it was going to be close, but if we did our work, and we did, we would win. >> that was hillary clinton talking to msnbc's chris matthews moments ago. less than 24 hours after the iowa caucuses and both democratic candidates are already hitting the trail in new hampshire. hillary clinton held the get out the vote event in nashua a little earlier, and later tonight clinton will hold another event in hampton, new hampshire. bernie sanders arrived in new hampshire early this morning, spoke to a group of supporters from a pickup truck at 5:00 a.m. in less than four hours, he will hold an event in keane, new hampshire. right now he is holding the granite state by far. the poll shows sanders with a 23-point lead over hillary clinton there. kristin welker is following the campaign in new hampshire. another point that she made very
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strongly was that, in her view, democrats shouldn't go for a revolutionary, that they need someone who is going to be able to work with congress and get things done. i assume that's something she says often on the campaign trail as well, but it was pretty sharply worded. >> well, and you're going to hear her language get even sharper, i think, when it comes to drawing distinctions with bernie sanders in the coming days. you're absolutely right, kate, this is a point she has really been hammering. she is arguing that she and sanders have very similar ideas but she has the more practical platform to actually get these policies enacted, like improving health care. this is a big point of contention, of course, senator sanders calling for a single payer medicare for all government-run health care program. secretary clinton saying she wants health care for all as well, but she wants to get there by building upon obamacare. the economy another point where she's trying to draw a sharp distinction. take a listen to what she had to say at the campaign event earlier today. >> i think the key issue has to
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be and must be the economy. that is something that we democrats agree on. you know, we believe that we've got to get the economy producing more good-paying jobs and raising incomes again for everybody willing to work hard, do their part to get ahead and stay ahead. >> reporter: so secretary clinton trying to paint herself as the more practical candidate to get some of these goals accomplished, and she's also touting the fact that she's calling herself a progressive. this is something we've heard from her for quite some time, but she's really emphasizing that in the wake of the photo finish she had with bernie sanders in iowa so close. secretary clinton last night when she spoke didn't call it a win, didn't call it a victory, but today the campaign, secretary clinton saying a win is a win. now they're focusing here on new hampshire, a state where you point out, kate, bernie sanders has a huge lead.
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campaign officials acknowledge it will be really tough for her to win in that state, so they're also focusing on south carolina, on nevada, on the super tuesday states. bill clinton will be in south carolina tomorrow, by the way, kate. she's keeping her attention here but also has an eye on the states coming up in her future. >> she said to chris matthews, kristin, that she'll be in new hampshire every day until the votes start on tuesday. so not giving up even though the polls are so one-sided for sanders. >> reporter: and the question is, will the very narrow win that she had in iowa give her any momentum here? when you talk to campaign officials, they say, you know, it's interesting, it could. it certainly has fired up some of her supporters. i spoke to a number of them earlier today, kate, and they say, hey, we'll take that win in iowa. it was a hard-fought win. it was a very narrow win. still, everyone here echoing that point, that a win is a win. kate? >> kristin welker with the clinton campaign. thanks so much, kristin. last night, we talked about
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this earlier, there were some coin tosses that came into play wi . with the democratic cost so close, could the rules be contested? but first here's a look where the delegate count stands right now. hey!
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kind of thing were we any normal state election, you might have a recount triggered under law, and you would be counting all those ballots even if you were in the right state. that's not the case here, because those folks who watched the coverage last night saw on the democratic side, there aren't any ballots to count. you have those large groupings we saw in those gyms and other public buildings, and people basically sign off what the total delegate count is, and then that is calculated statewide and that's the end of it. there really isn't anything to recount except for those bulk tabulations which are fairly clear. you could get three for sanders and two for clinton and everybody knows it's 3-2. you see that on the screen in gyms, for example. if they went and wanted to contest it, the bernie sanders campaign would have to go through the state party, and ultimately the election of 2016 is overseen by the national party. but they wouldn't necessarily
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change much, kate, because the delegates aren't going to move that much when it's clearly this close, and it's not the end of the race, it's the beginning of the race, so it's not like the win would make a difference. in other words, to state a very basic point here, when you have a state race and it's razor thin but the winner is going to take the job and the loser is going to be unemployed, that's different than a series of primaries and caucuses. and as we discussed, you have those coin tosses. >> it says on the screen, explain the iowa coin toss. what is this coin toss? >> the iowa coin toss, and it's funny how quickly things become a thing, and that's a technical term, people on the air last night starting to see these coin tosses. these are places where as a matter of rules there was an exact tie. for example, a 70-70 tie, but under the delegate rules, one delegate goes, the other one doesn't. we saw footage of one of those
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coin tosses that then resulted in one -- excuse me, i'm coughing here -- one candidate win and go one candidate losing the delegate. i want to be clear because we looked this up. that is not actually in the official delegate selection rules. that is just something the iowa democratic party has advised that you can deal with. so that delegate selection plan you see up on the screen does not provide for a coin toss to break ties in this situation, but it is something we found, for example, state party power points and other training materials that suggest it. so nothing wrong with it automatically, although it is obviously weird, but it's something where, again, if folks wanted to or would be listening to the sanders campaign if they want to, they might argue that's something they want the party to take a second look at. >> i used to live in new mexico, and out there they would settle things with a deck of cards. no joke. >> a little more skill, actually. >> i don't know, but they used a deck of cards. ari, thank you so much. >> thank you so much, kate.
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i'm going to be joined by someone from "time" magazine. sorry. just catching up here. jane newton small is with us, correspondent for "time" magazine. jay? also author of "broad influence: women changing the way america works." your new book, it puts special focus on hillary clinton and her campaign. you've written about her in "time" magazine as well. watching hillary clinton and their campaign, how was last night for them? >> they are claiming victory. they're trying to say she absolutely won this, won iowa, even if it was by the thinnest and most possible margins. they're trying to warn new hampshire and make energy around her campaign. they're facing an uphill battle where bernie sanders is a local, from neighboring vermont, is ahead in the polls by double digits.
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they're trying to sort of parlay that win in iowa, however slight, kerry-esque. but that's going to be a lot tougher for hillary here. >> as far as her strategy going forward now in new hampshire, we just had her on with chris matthews and she said, again, bernie sanders is from the neighboring state, so i don't expect to win new hampshire, yet she's going to be there every day until next tuesday. how would you map out what she's trying to do? >> well, she's making her case ask trying to really delete the differences between herself and bernie sanders, trying to make herself more electable, trying to beat the republican field on the other side, she also governed in a much broader sense, where she argues bernie is more focused on economic inequality, she favors gender
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inequality, sex inequality. she made those cases na nain na new hampshire. all the supporters, when you go to her events, it's well over 60% women and you really begin to see the idea that they're getting activated a little bit more. in iowa they were passionate but they weren't that activated, but the idea that her campaign might be in peril, this happened against barack obama, her campaign was imperilled, and she's really rallying the female voters in new hampshire. >> jay, and you i spend way too much time together in rooms along the campaign trails. nice to see you again. >> good to see you. thanks, kate. straight ahead, what chris christie told nbc's kelly o'donnell about his prospects in new hampshire. we head back up to the granite state, up next.
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for chris christie, the tenth place finisher in last night's republican iowa caucus, the hawkeye state is just a memory. in his rearview mirror, to use his words. christie is was actually in new hampshire on sunday, focusing on the next primary in the granite state. joining necessame from manchest kelly o'donnell. she spent the morning with him on the campaign bus and had a chance to talk to him. kelly? >> reporter: this is a race that is, in effect, beginning for him today. he said he didn't expect to do well in iowa and spent time there only out of respect for the process. so he has tried to turn the page here and size up his competitors. in that lane that could belong to one of the establishment figures, he thinks that a governor is probably best suited to be the next president, and of course marco rubio and getting a lot of attention coming out
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third in iowa with momentum that comes with that, the money, the attention that's surrounding him. in our conversation which covered a lot of issues, we did talk about marco rubio, and christie sort of gave him a new nickname. >> the way he's been treated so far on the campaign trail by his own staff, he kind of reminds me of the boy in the bubble. he never answers questions, he is very in control, and the boy in the bubble has to get out of the bubble if you want to be president of the united states. you have to answer questions, you have to campaign with people and not just in controlled circumstances. so i'll be anxious to see how he does in the next week. >> he does interviews. are you saying that's not enough? >> it's definitely not enough. one interview is fine, but when you have to stand in front of the press board and you have to have them firing questions at you, it's not something marco is very comfortable with. when you see the mistakes he's made in this campaign, it's almost always been in those circumstances. you know why? because they're unscripted.
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you can script yourself for an interview. when those questions are being fired at you one after another after another, it's harder to be scripted. so the boy needs to come out of the bubble and prove he can be a nominee for our party. this is far from over. we have 180,000 people voting in one state and we're all of a sudden annoying somebody? i don't think so. not the way it works. >> so christie is rejecting the idea that the establishment should fall in line with a figure like marco rubio who did well in iowa for those reasons. he's also playing up the things he is known to do well, to take lots of questions, to be off the cuff, unscripted, to tang he will wi-- tangle with voters. certainly with reporters he's willing to do that. he also talked about ohio governor john kasich who is well thought of here in new hampshire. for that christie will say in ohio the legislature makes the job easier for a republican governor, where in new jersey he's been dealing with democrats
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who are in charge of the legislature in his state. so he says he's ready to take that on. you get a sense, kate, that rubio is certainly in his sights, kasich is in his sights, and for christie who has invested the most time of his campaign right here in new hampshire, doing town hall meetings, trying to be with voters in their face and getting that interaction, he's hoping this can sort of change the nature of the race and give him the life to keep going. he says he won't be done when this campaign is done in one week. he expects to do well enough to continue on but we'll have to see how that really plays out, because he does not have the same resources that a rubio has, and he says he's got to do well in new hampshire to really make his candidacy viable going forward. and so it's going to be a lot of elbow throwing here over the next several days. you get a sense that christie is ready to pull those elbows when needed. >> that's for sure, kelly. just hours after leaving iowa, there they were. kelly o'donnell, thanks so much. with trump surprising
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himself, he says, with his second place finish in iowa last night and cruz surprising a lot of people, including pollsters with his first place finish, what does it mean for the republican race moving forward? here with her read of the tea leaves, msnbc senior editor beth fooey. i'm sorry, i read that pretty badly. >> i'm reading the tea leaves. >> trump is probably saying, no surprise, i was never going to win iowa. >> trump is hard to figure out in this situation, kate, and let's face it. the tide has really changed a lot. 24 hours ago i would say most people were predict ag wing a wr him in iowa. it was going to be this historic thing. a man who had never run before came in first in a major, major state. well, he came in second. he really has to come back tonight in new hampshire, his first big event in that state, looking strong, looking determined that he's going to turn things around. he's been polling really, really well in new hampshire.
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we'll see if that holds up. when you lose, you start to lose some of that momentum where people will start to want to look around at other candidates. senator cruz did very, very well, marco rubio came in third. you have kasich and bush who have been parked in new hampshire. how will trump play against them? will he be as cocky as he's been? has he eaten up what happened in iowa and will take a different course? that's what people are saying. >> what did you hear about last night with trump coming out being very measured, very calm, somewhat diplomatic with the way he spoke last night, but certainly not the trump we're used to. >> it was really surprising, wasn't it? he looked like any other candidate, any candidate holder for office losing and giving a gracious speech to his audience and leaving very quickly. that's usually not trump's style. but again, kate, this is a guy who made his entire career at winning. he wins at everything, and
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anyone who doesn't win is a loser. well, guess what? he's a loser. he came out second, and that's really hard for a donald trump to take, and it's just up to him to step forward and get the wind at his back again and say, i can win in new hampshire. >> let's turn to another angle from last night. ben carson's campaign calling foul on ted cruz's campaign, saying the texas senator's team tried to sabotage him at last night's iowa caucuses. for more on that i'm joined by m msnbc jane timm who is in m manchester for us. explain what that is all about. >> i've been speaking to iowans and they said, i went to my caucus location and i heard that ben carson dropped out. as we know, carson is going to florida. he is there now for 24 hours before going back on the trail. some reports said he was not going to new hampshire, he was not going to south carolina, and the cruz campaign has said they sent this out as an alert to
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some of their grassroots organizers who then told their caucus sites. senator cruz then went to cnn and apologized saying they should have alerted them when a clarification came through. we did not do that. i just got off the phone with katie carson, dr. carson's wife, he was actually going and refuting rumors saying, no, my husband is still in the race. i asked her, do you think this hurt his chances? she said, what do you think? some heard the candidate wasn't even in the race. this is not what they wanted to get into at a time they were trying to reaffirm their place in this race as a viable campaign. they were trying to convince people they were still in the race at all. >> and this is important, right, because the way the caucuses work, you get in a room -- well, it's more with the democrats, i guess, than the republicans, but you have some wiggle room. you can change your mind about who you're going to support. >> absolutely. each campaign sends a representative in to talk at
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these precinct locations and they can speak up. that's what candy carr was out there doing, and that's where these cruz supporters, cruz representatives spoke up and said, we just heard he's going back home, he's getting out of the race. and i was told by various iowans around the state, why don't you vote for ted cruz? he's a great candidate. and these caucuses give people a chance to advocate for the candidates they support. >> let me ask you one question about ted cruz. we were listening to his speech last night and he talked about his parents. he talked about his mom, there was a moment where he thank ld his moth ---ed his mother, it was really sweet. he talked about his dad, that many people don't know he's been following ted cruz. his dad often comes out, or did in iowa, came out to rally folks for him. >> reporter: he actual many came o -- actually came out around the time that ted cruz was starting
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to round up the evangelicals. they're a very big caucus group. and with having a father who is a preacher who can come out and speak to your religion and your faith is very important here. iowans like to know there is someone who is deeply religious who is going to bring those christian values into the race and into the white house should they make it that far. so rafael cruz is a big character for this team, but i think what's important is he's not going to be under a lot more scrutiny. he's also been a controversial character, as we know, and i think you may see more and more analysis of the things he says as they're under the spotlight as ted cruz is now the frontrunner. >> jane, thank you so much, jane timm in new hampshire. we'll speak with a major supporter of the sanders campaign about how they plan to counter hillary clinton up in new hampshire. the microsoft cloud allows us to access information from anywhere. the microsoft cloud allows us to scale up. microsoft cloud changes our world dramatically.
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after an extremely close democratic caucus in iowa, the sanders campaign said they're happy heading into new hampshire. sanders called it a virtual tie highlighting the gains his campaign has made in iowa over the last month. let's go to director of and a supporter of the sanders campaign. that's not the way the hillary clinton is taking it. she's calling herself a winner and saying it was a big win last night. >> i think the campaigns are walking away essentially with half the delegates. what's more that's striking with many observers, several months ago no one would have thought bernie sanders could literally come away with a virtual tie in new hampshire. he came from 40 points behind in iowa, and so this is a significant victory for his campaign. a tie is a win in this contest.
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>> is it enough? >> yeah. i mean, i think it's certainly a huge bit of momentum heading into new hampshire. it's only the first state. there's lots of votes yet to be cast. i think what you really saw was voters were responding to the ascendant progressive movements that have helped define, along with bernie sanders, the terms of this race. he's talking about expanding social security, breaking big banks, making college tuition free, proposals that people say, wow, he's actually speaking to fundamental changes to transform our economy, make our democracy work for everyone, and those proposals are what i think propel this very strong finish in iowa last night and are fueling his momentum heading into new hampshire. >> as we wait for senator sanders himself, we just had that shot in the lower corner there, we're waiting for his event that starts about the top of this hour, i want to play a clip of hillary clinton earlier today speaking of the contrasts and issues and positions.
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this is what she said about health care. >> senator sanders shares my goal of 100% universal coverage, but he has a very different approach. he wants us to start over. he wants us to begin another contentious national debate about what to do with health care. and i just fundamentally disagree. i don't want us to go back into gridlock. i want us to be curing people's diseases, helping get their prescription drug costs down. people can't wait for another debate. >> and the point the secretary is making is that this is a great idea, pie in the sky, but it's not going to happen. >> yeah, i think the thing with the health care debate as with other debates we've been having on the campaign trail. first of all, it's tremendously exciting we're actually having substantive debates on the democratic side. that is so inspiring and wonderful as opposed to should we block all muslims coming into america? which is what they're talking
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about on the republican side. with that, bernie sanders and all the folks on the democratic party worked their hearts out to enact obamacare, to make it law. i'm sure bernie sanders is very proud of it, and there's so much more we can do to make health care affordable and accessible to everyone in this country, and the kind of proposals that bernie sanders has put out for his health care plan and many other policies are the kind of bold and inspiring and visionary proposals that voters are responding to. this is a moment where people are hungry for substantial change, and bernie sanders is speaking to that hunger in a very real and effective way. >> anna with the bernie sanders campaign. thank you for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. as we wait for the sanders came pan to beg campaign to begin in new hampshire, the ted cruz campaign will be joining us in the next half hour. stay with us. a heart attack doesn't care if you run everyday,
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so that's going to do it for this hour of msnbc live. i'm kate snow. thanks for being with us. i'm going to head up to new hampshire tonight, start anchoring there tomorrow. brian williams picks up our coverage right after this break.
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i am so thrilled that i'm coming to new hampshire after winning iowa! [ cheers and applause [ cheers and applause ] >> what iowa has begun tonight is a political revolution. [ cheers and applause ] >> iowa, we love you, we thank you. in fact, i think i might come here and buy a farm. i love it. >> god bless the great state of new hampshire. so what a victory last night. >> when i'm our nominee, we are going to win iowa and we are going to win this election for this country. >> when senator rubio gets here,
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when the boy in the bubble gets here, i hope you guys ask him some questions. this isn't the student council election, everybody. this is an election for president of the united states, let's get the boy in the bubble out of the bubble. >> and good day. explaining why everyone in politics and the media is a little puffy faced today. seems like just 12 hours ago we were talking about the iowa caucus election without end as it stretched into late night and then early morning. by now we know on the republican side it was ted cruz, then donald trump, then marco rubio. more on that in just a moment. on the democratic side, despite bernie sanders' speech calling it a virtual tie, it appears the democratic party in iowa has awarded the race to hillary clinton by an eyelash. nbc news is remaining with the wording "apparent victor" last night. that race will stretch right on into new hampshire. about the republican side, a lot
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of surprise last night after donald trump's second place finish, after the ted cruz ground game proved to be all it was said to be going into iowa. katie cuterr standing by for wh is to be ted cruz's next appearance, also bernie sanders. katie, how would look at the move of the trump campaign? >> reporter: the trump campaign is not happy about yesterday's results. he did come out and gave a very gracious speech last night, but you can see how he really feels today when he started tweeting about it. he said, my experience in iowa was a great one. he started out saying he couldn't do well there, he ended up in second place. he's also blaming the media for setting expectations too high, and he's also blaming voters for not giving him credit for
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self-funding his campaign. let's get one thing straight for what happened yesterday. he did get the most gop caucus votes in history in iowa save for ted cruz, which is a pretty remarkable showing for a first time politician, someone who has never done this before, to have such a big showing in a big state. the problem for donald trump is he's lost the expectation game. he's gone out in every single rally and bragged about how well he's done, he's bragged about his poll numbers. he said he could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and he wouldn't lose any voters, and because of that, he couldn't control the expectations. that's where donald trump went wrong. right now he has to try to maintain some semblance of momentum here in new hampshire where he is up by 18 points. i spoke to some voters in a diner. i asked them if they think the spell has been broken. they said no, they think people here are drawn to him, they like his message. this isn't a state like iowa, this is a much more moderate state. in fact, we do expect him to get the endorsement of scott brown, the former senator of
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massachusetts, also a populist guy here in new hampshire. ot scott brown also a lot more moderate than donald trump has claimed to be lately. he is for abortion rights, he is for a ban on assault weapons, so this would allow the candidate donald trump to attack a little more to the center here in this state. we'll see how that would hurt him in south carolina which obviously is a lot more evangelical, a lot more conservative much like iowa. but right now the donald trump campaign is trying to spin these headlines that he is a loser. >> katie, i have to say last night i did hear the word "gracious" attached to his very brief speech before he was wheels up and out of iowa. >> reporter: i think it was the most gracious we have seen donald trump. there was a lot of speculation about how he would handle a loss. people thought that maybe he would go off on ted cruz, he would go off on the voters, he would get angry. but what we saw last night is how disciplined a candidate he can be. i have been with him for seven
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months. there is nobody who has been to more donald trump rallies than me other than donald trump himself. i've seen him evolve as a candidate. he started out very all over the place. he couldn't stop himself from talking to a camera. he said whatever was on his mind. now he's become much more disciplined, he is much more -- sounds much more like a politician. he doesn't talk to the press as much as he used to, he's much more controlled, and we saw that last night in that concession speech. he was gracious, he thanked the voters of iowa, he congratulated ted cruz and he congratulated all the other candidates. >> katie tur traveling with the trump campaign. we shall see what this evening's event brings from donald trump. katie, thanks. you've been watching perhaps on the lower right-hand side of your screen. we've been previewing the next event up in new hampshire. that's bernie sanders' speech in keane, new hampshire. katie tur made the trip east
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from iowa to new hampshire to cover the candidate. katie, the last we heard from bernie sanders, it was that late night speech from a pickup truck after that late arrival last night. tell us what to expect today. >> brian, that rally late last night was actually planned just monday night around 6:00. some of sanders ei erers advise sitting around at a zombieburger in des moines, it might be a venue you're familiar with, and we were a couple hours late because we waited for those results to come in. a couple hundred people actually waited in the cold to listen to bernie sanders speak from that truck. they were eating dunkin' donuts, they were singing the song in bernie sanders' commercial,
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"made in america." there was some confusion when we were taking off and landing waiting for the results exactly what was going on in those iowa precincts and there's been some question whether or not the sanders campaign was going to contest those results. take a listen to what senator sanders had to say about the iowa democratic party count, two reporters on his campaign claimed last night. >> i honestly don't know what happened. i know there was some precinct thing. i think i'm still not sure. your guess is as good as mine. i can only hope and expect that the count will be honest. i can't say more than that. >> reporter: so that, of course, i caught up with him after that on the tarmac, and he said that he wasn't sure if they were going to contest things. his advisers have since said
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they wanted to look ahead. as we look ahead here in new hampshire, sanders, of course, leading in almost all the polls here by a very wide margin, and you can tell from the crowds here, they're very excited to see him. there is a line outside at this historic theater in keane which, for viewers who aren't familiar necessarily with new hampshire geography, is a little bit closer to being on the way to vermont than some of the other population centers. this is definitely bernie sanders' corner of new hampshire. so we've got the crowd here spontaneously. also breaking into song, which seems to be a theme among many of those sanders fans, sanders himself hasn't come out and said, we will win new hampshire. when we talked about that on the plane last night, he said, you know what, we're going to win across the map, so they clearly are being careful about trying to set expectations here. as you know, new hampshire is a state that can swing pretty wildly. barack obama was leading here when he came off an iowa victory
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and ultimately lost to hillary clinton in the democratic primary, ryan. >> casey hunt. welcome back to his speech and rally there. a reminder, surrogates for the sanders effort have been saying a tie is as good as a win. given how tight things were in iowa last night with the long presumed favorite hillary clinton. the clinton campaign begs to differ, of course, pointing to a very thin victory handed to them by the democratic party in iowa. our characterization of this race remains. kristin welker traveling with the candidate today finds her in manchester, new hampshire. kristin? >> brian, as you point out from
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the clinton campaign's perspective, they staved off defeat. so this is a victory. a lot of them telling me today a win is a win. of course, secretary clinton was very measured in her remarks last night when she came to the podium. she didn't use the word "win," she didn't use the word "victory." that changed today at. so there was a bit of a celebratory feel. they're trying to focus on that and move forward. she spoke to chris matthews earlier today about this very narrow margin of the race in iowa and looking forward to new hampshire. let's take a listen to a little bit of that. >> what i was seeing on the ground as people were telling me they were changing their minds, what they were reporting was all consistent, that it was going to be close, but if we did our work, and we did, we would win. so i was thrilled by winning and
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getting that boost out of iowa here in new hampshire where i am in senator sanders' backyard. as you know as a political expert of your many years that new hampshire votes for neighbors. >> i love the way you snuck that in, it's his backyard and we shouldn't disapprove geographically. there is a range in the polling acro across. i wonder how much ground you can make in a week, because we're only at a week now. >> i feel really go ahead about my campaign in new hampshire where i did not win.
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the work that was done on my bhachl -- clock, it was amazing, chris, the level of enthusiasm. people who were with me before, people who were with president obama in '08, everyone working so hard to support me to get to that primary, to do everything we possibly can. we're not leaving anything on the ground. we're moving forward. >> reporter: and i heard a similar sentiment from former president bill clinton. i had a chance to ask him a few questions at the rope line, brian. i asked him if this very narrow margin in iowa would hamper her momentum. he said no, he thinks they do have a pep in their step coming off what they were
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characterizing more. bernie sanders has a big lead here. so the question is, she said she will be here from now until the time to actually vote, but she will be heading to south carolina. they've been working on building a. i feel like that's where they need to gain momentum as they tries to win the nomination. >> a beautiful day in the southern part of the state, which people are about to learn. with those not familiar with the geography and confines of new hampshire, a state all of us are used to. bored by. steve kornacki after a yeoman is
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standing next to the state of new hampshire to give us the lay of the land. ste steve? >> this is new hampshire. giving a preview what to expect over the next seven days. >> start here. start a little bit. . it's a big portion of the state. it actually counts for 70% of the vote in new hampshire. half the voters in this party are going to be right here. this means a couple things. number one, on the republican side, when people look at new hampshire, they think new hampshire is a state that's changed a lot over the last generation. it used to be in sebastian and now it's in the swing part of
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the united states. there are lots of people who have moved up and/or mavl -- moved out. this is a very conservative section of the state. this is where mitt romney did exceptionally well in 2012. he owes his pack on. she beat barack obama in new hampshire in 2008 and it came from nashua and this area. it's interesting, it's new hampshire, it's his bad break. remember, most of the population is here in southern new hampshire. .
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may not be as much as you think, but when we say there is a bernie sanders advantage, it is the connecticut river is on the democratic side, and this is the part of the state that explains why new hampshire has moovrd ve the blue collar in the last part. if you say bernie sanders has new hampshire, this is where it's found. they were there for barack obama in 2008. the key for sanders, can he move that support east into that densely populated area? >> there are still, steve, great new england accents to be found, especially to the north. one point on rome knee. so he kind of fancied himself a part-time resident. let's talk about marco rubio. we'll have plenty of time to
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talk about the. marco rubio coming out of iowa last -- we've bep talking about this log jam that exists on the republican side. it's is christie. if rubio can consolidate have. nashua, manchester, bedroom communities around these areas moved to the east. there is a bunch of -- i think it looks really small. this is fertile ground for marco rubio. that's a place to look. the challenge, though,. it's a little more funky many.
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it's a slightly different kind of republican. it was the hunt area in '12. that's a little more of a challenge. >> steve kornacki, thank you very much, especially for the hours you've been on your feet for an encyclopedia read for the state of new hampshire. we'll take a break, but when you get back, we'll continue with more news. beyond natural grain free pet food is committed to truth on the label. when we say real meat is the first ingredient, it is always number one. we leave out poultry by-product meal, corn, wheat and soy. and, we own where our dry food is made - 100%.
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donald trump was saying every day that i was his friend, that he loved me, that i was terrific, that i was nice. and now i'm anchor baby. now, i don't really think six months ago something profoundly changed about me. but what did change is his numbers started going down and our numbers started surging. >> speaking of surging numbers, it was senator cruz last night who told the crowd in iowa he had received more votes than any other single republican candidate in the history of the iowa caucuses. but it is a new day, a new week ahead in the campaign, and now he's in new hampshire, something quite different. rick tyler is the national spokesman for the cruz campaign. rick, the question now becomes, as all these campaigns keep moving without sleep or rest or
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food, how does an evangelical republican senator from texas say to republican voters in new hampshire, i'm your guy, i've arrived? >> the issues are very broad and evangelicals care about the same things that people who don't go to church care about. they care about keeping the country safe, they care about defeating isis, they care about social security, they care about keeping jobs and lower taxes and fuel regulation. the message hasn't changed, really, at all, so there is some evangelicals here and evangelicals on pro gun and pro family and pro life conservatives have all come together and one group decided to get behind one candidate, and that's ted cruz. when you have five candidates dipping into the moderate vote
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here, we're closer to picking a candidate that would be a conservative and go to the nomination. i want to keep our expectations in check, but we could place or show. i think we could do well here, much better than people expect. >> any reason to think that the near constant attacks by the trump campaign will die down or go away, and any reason to think you'll get even better treatment from rubio? >> i've long given up predicting what donald trump will do. i do think the group is doing well, kasich and christie and jeb. i think they'll all do well along with ted cruz. >> i want to get you on the record with this dust-up last night. it was during the kind of
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frantic hours when we were nailing down the results and planes were lifting off and leaving iowa for new hampshire in a lot of cases, people connected to your campaign were putting out that the ben carson presidential effort had ended. you've tried to correct the record today. take one more whack at what happened and the deconstruction of it. >> sure. we got word from another cable network that ben carson announced he was going to go to florida for a couple days and then he was going to go to d.c. i don't know if they got back or not. the news stories we shared, maybe a hundred a day, we shared that among the staff, and word got out, then it went to some caucus precinct captains and some of them may have tried to interpret that too aggressively to suggest that maybe carson was getting out of the race. we certainly didn't intend that, and the senator has apologized
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for it. he respects dr. carson and didn't mean to present any false information. i don't really think it went too far because i learned about it while i was watching the results of the caucus come in. so i really don't think anybody had a chance to speak about it at a caucus, but i don't know that for a fact. >> rick tyler with the cruz campaign. thank you very much for coming on. we'll take another break here. when we come back, we're obviously keeping an eye on the sanders event in new hampshire. but more than that, we want to show you one more time in case you missed it an extraordinary event that happened on live television as we watched last night. when we come back, bernie sanders will have started. actually, we're going to cancel our break and go to the audio of the sanders event and let you hear bernie sanders. last we heard from him, he was declaring iowa a virtual tie.
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>> thank you, keane! you know, it sounds to me like you're ready for a political revolution. [ cheers and applause ] >> it sounds to me like you're tired of establishment politics and establishment economics! [ cheers and applause ] >> i don't know what to say because giselle andskand elijah it all, but i'll try. last night in iowa, we took on the most powerful political organization in this country. last night we came back from a
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50-point deficit in the polls -- [ cheers and applause ] [ cheers and applause ] >> and last night we began the political revolution not just in iowa, not just in new hampshire but all over this country. [ cheers and applause ] >> what is this campaign about? it's not about the spin, it's not about the 30-second tv ads, it is about the american people. it is about the woman i met in new hampshire a number of months ago who said, bernie, i am not just paying off my daughter's student debt, i'm paying off my student debt as well. it's about millions of people
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who are being drowned in debt because they chose to seek a higher education. it is about the united states of america being the only major country on earth that does not have paid family and medical leave. it is about the workers in vermont and new hampshire who today are working at two or three jobs, trying to cobble together some income because real wages for millions of workers have gone down over the last 30 years. [ cheers and applause ] >> it is about a rigged economy. and elderly folks and working
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families are struggling to keep their heads above water economically while almost all new income and wealth is going to the top 1%. it is about a nation today which has more income and wealth inequality than any major country on earth, and it is worse here today than at any time since 1928. it is about the race of the top .1 of 1% owning about as much wealth as the bottom 90%. it is about the outrage of the 20 wealthiest people in america
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now owning more wealth than the bottom half of america 150 million people. it is about the unacceptability of one family, the walton family of walmart owning more wealth than the bottom 40%. and when we talk about a rigged economy in which the rich get richer and almost everybody else gets poorer, let me tell you a little word about walmart and the walton family which kind of demonstrates what a rigged economy is about. today walmart is the largest private sector employer in america. yet many of their employees are forced to go on food stamps,
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medicaid and subsidized housing that you pay for through your taxes because the walton family refuses to pay their workers a living wage. [ applause ] >> so when my republican colleagues go around the country and they talk about welfare abuse, let's be clear. the major welfare abuser in america is the wealthiest family in america, the walton family! [ cheers and applause ] >> so i say to the walton family, get off of welfare, pay your workers a living wage!
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[ cheers and applause ] >> when we talk about what's going on in this country, when we talk about why we have one of the lowest voting turnouts of any major country on earth, when we talk about why so many of our people have given up on american democracy and they look at washington and they say, i am hurting. i am struggling to keep my head above water economically, my kid can't go to college, i can't afford child care, what are they doing in washington? i'll tell you what they're doing in washington. they're out hustling for large campaign contributions from the wealthiest people in this country. now, as all of you know, six years ago as a result of one of the most disastrous supreme court decisions in history, citizens united case, what the
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supreme court said by a 5 to 4 decision, what they said to the wealthiest people in this country, to the billionaires to corporate america, they said, you guys already own much of our economy. now we're going to give you the opportunity to buy the united states government and that is precisely what they are trying to do right now. [ booing ] >> now, eight years ago, as all of you remember, as a result of the greed, the recklessness and the illegal behavior of wall street, the taxpayers of this country bailed them out. because the banks were supposedly too big to fail. and as a result of the greed of wall street and their illegal behavior, all of you know millions of people lost their homes, they lost their jobs, and they lost their life savings.
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this is what they say. wall street is emerging as a particularly dominant funding source for republicans and democrats in the presidential election early campaign finance reports filed with the sec show. so far superpacs have received more than one-third of their donations from financial services executives, according to data from the nonpartisan center for responsive politics. here is the story. the story is that wall street's greed brought this country into the worst economic downturn since the great depression. the story is that the business model of wall street is fraud.
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