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because i raised $6 million for the vets in one hour. so if i took a second place instead of first place, and could give the vets $6 million, i'll do that all day long. >> mr. trump, do you worry that you banked - too much -- zeks . >> excuse me, behind. [ inaudible question ] >> we're going to be spending a lot of money. we'll be spending money on ads and on the ground game. >> do you worry you banked too much on your own celebrity. >> i can't help it. whether i'm celebrity. it's me. >> but too much focus on the celebrity and not enough focus on the ground game? >> i think most people say i did a good job in iowa. i came in second. i spent far less than anybody else. and had i known, i was going to be liked as much as i am in iowa and people did like me, you will understand that, i would have
maybe spent a little bit more and been there more and maybe i would have won it. but you know, i'm very happy with it. i have seven delegates right, you know, at the top. you look at other people, in all fairness, senators, governors, they aren't, you know, they're way down. when i have 25% or 26%, and they have 1%, hey, and but you people don't mention them. >> is it time for someone to drop out? >> the one thing is you people don't mention them. you don't mention all of the other names. now, you mentioned the person marco, good guy. but he came in third. they make it sound like he had a victory and i didn't. i came in second. i was, excuse me, i started off on 17th. i was 17th. when i first started, i had nothing. and then i inched my way up, went pretty rapidly actually and now i'm leading everything and i did okay in iowa, pretty good in iowa. yes. >> it sounds like you're saying that you're completely happy
with what your campaign is doing. you're not going to change a thing. is that right? >> i think we'll have great success here. it's a different process. this isn't a caucusing process. this a normal voting process. the iowa is, you know, a much different kind of thing. >> mr. trump, attack your character, treating people, spoke personally that one day you were his friend and the next day you were insulting him. >> he insulted me. he started with the insults, as you know. and he insulted ben carson by doing what he did to ben carson. that was a disgrace. and he insulted the people of iowa by doing a voter violation forum that nobody has even seen before, which was disgraceful. so no, he is a man of himself. [ inaudible question ] >> no, i'm going. i have thousands of people going. but we don't have that in mind. i like mike huckabee, but no, i
don't think he'll be here. i like him. he has left the race, so i feel pretty good about that. he is a good man. yes? >> do you plan to change that at all, seeing the people of new hampshire competitors are holding one or two a day? >> we're adding some and adding rapidly. >> two questions. one, would you see iowa for the competitors for the nomination. >> you never know. you're talking about people down two or three and could emerge. i don't think they will, but people in your world are saying they possibly could. so i don't really see one or two. i see, you know, there could be a number. >> are you comfortable as you seem to be finishing second in as you did in iowa. >> i would love to finish first. it would not be horrible because you're competing against a lot of talented people that have been politicians all their lives. i've been a politician for six months. >> would it be horrible?
>> it won't be horrible. i could think of worst things, but i would like to finish first. i think we will finish first. >> you talk about self-funding your campaign. >> yeah. >> but you've received -- >> only, just so understand, i'm totally self-funding my campaign, other than small donations, because people send in small donations for -- >> $6.5 million for small donations? >> no, as far as the denations you received from your campaign. >> it's a small amount of money. >> it's a third of what -- >> it's hard when somebody sends in a check for $17, and $200, very hard to send that minute back. >> what does that say to those people sending you your hard earned money and you say i'm a self-funding -- >> i make the reference and i do it every time. >> senator brown -- >> he's somebody that i respect and i have always liked. he's very respected throughout
the country but very respected here. and everybody wanted his endorsement and i'm very honored that he's giving it to me and giving it to me on this stage. >> slightly more moderate than yours for abortion rights, he has, you know, senator brown, for abandoning assault weapons, you're not for those things and you've been vocal about that. do you think that -- >> that happens with endorsements. no, that happens with endorsements. that's pretty common. >> a lot of your supporters said they were not disappointed. they said you were going to win. >> yes. >> can you tell us. [ inaudible question ] >> well, i probably had a tinge, because a poll came out, you know, a few days before that said i was about five points up. so maybe there was a tinge. and again, it may have been the debate, which would have set records if i did it. so i would have liked that, but the fact is, it could have been the debate. maybe it is, maybe it isn't. i would have done it exactly the same way, because i raised, scott, we raised in one hour, i
raised $6 million for the vets, and i would never, ever give that up to go-between first and second in iowa. it wouldn't be worth it. so thank you. >> can you give us your take on the democratic race and secretary clinton's e-mail situation? i think her e-mail situation is very serious. i have a feeling she's being protected by the democrats, because it just looks to be more serious than anybody i've seen, including general petraus. if you read about the various lawyers, that's what they do. they feel she have ae in grave danger and what she has done is against the law. not just against rules, against the law. i don't know what's going to happen, because i don't know whether or not the democrats, bob, are going to protect her. >> mr. trump -- >> is that okay? >> the democratic race or tight race -- >> i never saw a race where they're flipping coins. i mean, they're flipping coins. what kind of a race is that.
it's ridiculous. i thought it was terrible. you call it a tie, but to flip coins and say you're going to get this district. flip a coin. [ inaudible question ] >> is senator cruz running a dirty campaign? >> i think he was certainly dirty what he did to ben carson was terrible. i think what he did to voter violation forum was terrible. i thought it was terrible. when they said that ben carson is out of the race and come vote for him, i thought that was terrible. okay, thank you, everybody. thank you. thank you. it's a long ways away. we'll see. >> what's the closing argument you would like? >> you watch. that's donald trump up in milford, new hampshire today. his first appearance since last night's second place finish in iowa. good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. all the action up in the live free or die state. now the center of the political
universe. bernie sanders is holding a rally in clear month, marco rubio an exiter tonight, after his third place showing. bill clinton, jeb bush holding a town hall in hanover, donald trump is about to hold a rally in milford and hillary clinton is in the new hampshire seacoast in hampton. we begin with my interview with secretary clinton. front-runner earlier today, she had that dramatic victory in iowa. >> madam secretary, thank you for joining us. it was quite a night last night. >> thanks. >> and i was taken with your moment of candor there, before the cameras, when you said you had a sigh of relief. tell us about that sigh of relief, and. >> right. >> and what it meant to you. >> well, oh, chris, it menlt the world to me, as we all remember, i was not successful in iowa last time, and i know how hard that caucus process is. i'm so proud of our
organization, our volunteers, all my supporters, everybody said if there were a big turnout, that would advantage senator sanders, there was a big turnout. and we won. and now i'm in new hampshire, looking forward to the primary, next tuesday. and you know, continuing to make my case in this contest of ideas between me and the senator. >> well, you know, the new york times ran this story this morning that you were disappointed and i think it's possible to be both disappointed and relieved. you couldn't have been disappointed at 9:00 but very relieved at 11:00. the times changed when the results came in. is it possible you could have done better but you're also glad you came out ahead? >> look, chris, i really believe that during the last few weeks, leading up to the caucus, i could feel the energy building. you know, it's a tough process. and what i was seeing on the ground as people were telling me they were changing their minds, that they were supporting me,
what my organizers were reporting, was all consistent, that it was going to on close. but if we did our work and we did, we would win. so i was thrilled by winning, and getting that boost out of iowa here in new hampshire where i am in senator sanders' backyard, as you know, as a political expert, of your many years. that new hampshire votes for neighbors, and so i have to really get out there, make my case, which i intend to do this week. >> i just love the way you snuck that in, his backyard, therefore, he has an advantage geographically. let me ask you about this. i'm looking at the polls. a range in the polling over the last couple of weeks in new hampshire, it is his backyard. it's vermont and new hampshire next door. he has a lead on you up there. i wonder how much ground you can make in a week, we only have a week now. >> i feel really good about my
campaign in new hampshire, and i remember getting off the plane in new hampshire after the iowa caucuses last time when i did not win and i was way behind going into what was then just five days before the primary, and the work that was done on my behalf, the people who came out to support me, the incredible excitement, i saw that today. i got here, it was amazing, chris. the level of enthusiasm, people who were with me before, people who are with president obama in '08, everybody working so hard to support me, to get to that primary to do everything we possibly can. we're not leaving anything on the ground. we're moving forward. and i think we'll do well. >> you know, i think everybody should have been impressed. maybe i wasn't impressed as i should have been, but everybody should have been about the way you handled new hampshire last time around. you came off the loss in iowa,
you went out there and would stand there, like bill clinton, standing there until the last dog died. i remember you standing any think a fieldhouse and you went on and on and on. it went on for five hours. it was a marathon, answering every single question of everyone in that room. it really was a physical marathon. are you going to try to match that? >> it was. >> performance this time? i can do this thing? >> i'm going to do everything i can to get out there to meet with folks here, to answer their questions. i'm really happy we've got a forum on cnn tomorrow night. we've got your msnbc debate on thursday night, which will give us a chance to reach a larger audience. i'm going to be there day after day, between now and tuesday. i respect this primary process. i know how seriously people take it. and i just want them to
understand what i'm offering, what i believe we can do. you know, ideas that sound good on paper, but can't create results for people are just that, good ideas on paper. i have a track record of results. i know how to do all parts of this job. we'll be voting for a president and commander in chief. in new hampshire, those two sides of this incredibly difficult job are joined together. i feel good about the opportunity i'll have to get out, meet with granite staters, make my case and i'm going to do everything possible to get them to support me next tuesday. >> i know you've been saying nice things about your only opponent now, really a battle since martin o'malley has withdrawn. it a two person race. i'm going to say this bluntly. the only person between a confirmed social list, political revolution from this country, winning the nomination of the democratic party, which has
always been more moderate than that, is you. so when you saw that rally last night, the young people all around senator sanders, when he yelled revolution out there and they all applauded like mad, do you think that's something that is going to help in the general election? rer we looking at an nbc campaign? november doesn't count. you seem to be focused on the general. how do you beat a person who is coming along in the primary, i'm going to give you all the things you want, free tuition, more social security benefits, health care from birth to death, all the government paid, how do you compete with a revolution to promises really? >> well, first let me say, i am thrilled too that we've got young people getting active in the campaign on the democratic side. i was very proud of the many, many young people working for me volunteering for me, voting, caucusing for me in iowa, and
the ones i have here in new hampshire, i'm just so impressed with. so that's a net good, no matter what. i do think that we have an obligation to keep people focused on what's at stake in this election, and you got close to saying it, chris. we can't let the republicans rip away the progress we've made. we can't let them go back to trickle down economics, appeal the affordable care act, we can't let them stack the supreme court for another generation for common sense kind of changes that we need. we've got to get back to the middle. we've got to get back to the big center, solving problems. that's how we make progress in america. i am proud to be in a line of democratic presidents who just got in there and fought it out, who got civil rights, who got an economy producing incomes, who got the affordable care act bs, something we've been fighting
for since harry truman. i know how hard this is, and how exciting it can be to be involved in a campaign that really just puts out these great big ideas. but i want folks to stop and think, no matter what age you are, okay, we agree on getting the economy going. we agree on raising incomes. we agree on combating climate change. we agree on universal college, who has the track record, who has the results. who can actually produce the kind of change you want for yourself and your family, and for our country. so i'm very energized about this, because i like a contest of ideas. that's what politics should be about. we're going to be talking about and arguing about issues on our side, they're going to keep insulting each other on the republican side. but the goal for any sensible american has to be do not turn the white house over to the republicans in november. do not turn the supreme court further over to their nominees. we can't let that happen.
>> of course, i think you're offering a less on in civics and i wonder if we could do that in a couple of weeks. your party, not bernie sanders, he's not a democratic party member, your party has produced the new deal or produced the progressive income tax, from wilson, a social security, antipoverty came from roosevelt, health care and civil rights and good things that led to the affordable care act. in every case, you had a battle of republicans that voted against the last person, and they need 60 votes in the senate, 200, what is it, 218 in the house, you need these votes. >> right, right. >> if you don't have them, nothing gets done. >> that's right. >> the bernie people need to be, not him, he won't be taught, can the kids behind hime this is how it works in our system. you can call for revolution, but it ain't going to happen. this is going to be an election, inauguration, and a congress sitting with you that you have to do business with, no matter who gets elected.
you don't have to worry about logic any more. i'm going to have a revolution and pay for everything. >> well, you know, where i come out on this, i don't think our country or the american people can wait. i don't think they can wait for better jobs with rising incomes, getting prescription drug costs down. i think people want to vote for somebody who is going to get in there on the first day, knows how to do the job, is prepared to do the job and gets to work. and i will give everything i've got to make sure that we preserve the progress we've made, because you're right. it is hard fought. our system is set up to make it difficult. checks and balances, separation of powers. you know, our founders knew that if we were going to survive as the great democracy that we had to have a system that kept the passions at bay. we have to have people willing
to roll up their sleeves and compromise. we couldn't have ideal logs hurling their rhetoric back and forth. we had to actually produce results. that hasn't changed since george washington. we got to produce results now, because a democracy is a fragile organize natural. they have a stake in it, their voices count, their votes count. but they have to see results from their investment in our democracy. it has to work better. our economy has to work better. our politics has to work better. that's what i know how to do, and that's what we have to get done in this election. >> madam secretary, unofficially, not on behalf of nsnbc, congratulations. >> thank you. >> and break a leg on thursday night. even if you're the only one in the chair. >> i'm going to be there. >> you said it, i believe you. >> thanks a lot. take care. >> i'll be there. bye-bye.
>> coming up, we're waiting for donald trump to take the stage at a rally in milford, new hampshire. it comes after a surprising second place visit, finish out in iowa. what's he going to say and do tonight to get back in the satle. he is after all the man on horseback. we'll find out any minute. this is "hardball," the place for politics. this just got interesting. why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas for pulmonary hypertension, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any symptoms of an allergic reaction,
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welcome back to "hardball." we continue to watch for donald trump to take the stage at that rally up in new hampshire in a new york minute, his momentum has been broken, however. he built his campaign on winning. that's the word, an unstoppable in the polls. he lost last night. the polls were wrong. they said he would win, he didn't. iowa winner, ted cruz, should get strength heading into new hampshire. and marco rubio may be the establishment's only hope next tuesday. he has establishment politicians to face in new hampshire. chris christie still has his ego up there, john kasich living in new hampshire for weeks now. katy tur is in new hampshire. that ways different donald trump, and you should know. how would you describe that somewhat humbled figure we just saw? >> well, the press conference
just now, what we saw was donald trump doing his best to spin the headlines that he is a loser and that he should have won iowa. i think we've seen him make giant strides as a candidate over this past seven months, where we would have seen him get angry. he was gracious in the loss. he thanked the people of iowa again. he didn't take the opportunity to attack marco rubio. we saw him grow. we saw him admit that he maybe should have been at that debate last week, but instead of saying he would have done it differently, he stood by his guns, he wouldn't have changed a thing and was happy he raised the money for the vets. a different candidate. a candidate that realizes that that loss hurt him, but he's not one that is ready to get out of this race. i think what we saw tonight is somebody who is determined to keep going for as long as he can. >> well, i think it's fair without putting too much pressure on the guy, that he has to win in new hampshire. i mean, he's been up by 20 something points, he may not be up that much by now, but if he loses new hampshire after losing
iowa, i don't see the glow of victory coming. >> i think you're absolutely right. he's up 18 points in new hampshire. he has banged a lot on this state. his crowds here are larger than any where else. the lines are longer. people seem to like him more. it's more in line in his personality. this is where donald trump needs to make a stand. if he does not, it could be his waterloo, underdog, because south carolina, where the evangelicals run deep, that's where ted cruz could do well again. donald trump is leading there, but we have to question a lot of this polling as we saw in iowa, because he was leading in the last few minutes, as to how reliable it can be. i think new hampshire is a place where they do hope they're going to do well. i asked him if there was anything they want to change after iowa, any mistakes, he said there were no mistakes. i asked about any retail politicking to do here, meeting
with voters one-on-one instead of the big rallies. he said there would be, but we don't have anything on the schedule for that right now. it doesn't seem like they have a change of strategy for this state. they certainly are banking on this culture personality, that ability for him to draw the crowds. we're seeing more volunteers tonight. more volunteers than we saw in iowa. larger crowds. i will say that when i talked to supporters here in new hampshire over the past seven months now, chris, they seem to have a stronger feeling for donald trump than we were get anything iowa. same thing in south carolina, though. his support out there seems to run pretty deep as well. i think you're right. new hampshire is a place where he has no choice but to do well. if he doesn't do well here, i'm not sure what the path out of here could be for him. i think the south is for him at the moment, but it certainly could go very easily to someone like ted cruz. >> yeah, i would think make america great again is going to do well in new hampshire. thank you very much, katy tur.
he's trying to set expectations as he goes to the state. media has not covered migrate finish in iowa fairly. brought in record numbers. record voters and got seconds highest vote total in history. well, trump has been his own worst enemy to setting expectations. buzzing last night after a trump tweet from three years ago which read no one remembers who came in second. that's from trump. trump has been out there for months now promising wins everywhere. especially in iowa. >> we will have so much winning, if i get elected, that you may get board with winning. >> we have to win in iowa. a lot of people say donald, just say do well in iowa. i say i can't do that. 16 years and you haven't picked a winner. please pick a winner this time. i'm going to win. i think i'm going to win iowa. it was so foolish, they like me to say i'll do well.
i don't care. unless i win, i would consider a big fat beautiful and by the way, very expensive waste of time. >> well, trump is now on stage in that event up in milford, new hampshire, but with me now, boston globe, scottly high, and political reporter, robert costa. dip into that, robert, but i want your thinking. does donald trump have the heart, the character, to take that loss last night and come on and win and show he still has character inside? i'm not talking about moral character, i'm talking about political character? does he have it? >> we're watching it in real time. i was on the tarmac when his boeing landed tonight. he came out of his plane with his daughter. he said let's go. they went to stop at his campaign head quarters, told them to keep making calls, not
get distracted. making a play for new hampshire, brush aside what happened in iowa, move forward. he is showing some heart by going to his grassroots volunteers tonight, not going to any big donor or republican elites, going to the grassroots people, scott brown and know the terrain here. >> scott, thanks for coming on the show from the globe. let me ask you about the voteser in new hampshire. to me, two kinds of voters in new hampshire. the old yankee type, minority, used to be up there in big numbers, and the irish italian guy because he didn't like massachusetts. tell me your notion of the character of the voter of the electorate of republican new hampshirites. >> i think a lot of people are looking for an alternative to the front-runners from iowa. they're looking to say this is a whole different state. we decide a different way. we're not really interested in a ted cruz.
he's not -- this is not a religious state. they don't look to god to know how to vote. i don't think marco rubio seems light. i think every time you watch him, he runs instantly for the stump speech and starts repeating practice lines. he's not really a new hampshire type. there are voters that want someone reasonable, economically and fiscally has some experience. isn't such a programmed candidate. honestly, i think john kasich is an overlooked story. you can see this guy do much better than the national media gives him credit for and he has been focused on new hampshire. he has john sanuto, senator humphrey, congressman today, hey, he has run the table and newspaper endorsements, only one he hasn't gotten is the union leader, but he has the portssmouth.
>> i love this. scott, i think you talk my language. i'm hearing my soul talk, because i agree with you completely about the evangelical vote in new hampshire. i don't think it exists, where your religion drives you to church, and then on the way to the polling place. i think there a big separation of church and state up there. and proud of it. and the other thing is i think a lot of people are struck by how marco rubio seems to be reading speech parts. he has memorized every time somebody asks him a question, you hear a speech party. it's beautifully written. >> ridiculous. >> it doesn't sound look a human being talking. >> he sounds like a poorly programmed robot. when you watch him, this a smart guy, very articulate. you see him twice, you say is this all he has to say, and the third time, he's just doing that. that's a good question, let me go to part 2a of my speech. it's not the new hampshire way. he's not engaged. donald trump isn't either.
he isn't doing town meetings, taking questions. he's doing a night club act. that's why i think he fades as well. >> let's get back. hang in there scott. let's go to donald trump on the stage. >> when you think the amazing thing is, the press, not all of them, some were great. some were saying, he came in second, he started off in 10th and came in second. but with me, they don't like to hear second. i don't like to hear it much often to be totally -- but one poll came out that said i was leading five or points and the headlines was truchl comes in second. he's humiliated. there were 17 people when we started, now you have 11. i come in second, i'm not humiliated. you know, you have -- think of it. [ applause ] >> these people are the most dishonest people ever.
okay, ever. so marco is a nice guy. marco rubio, nice guy, and he comes in third, right. and all of a sudden, he comes in third, he's a senator, does this stuff for a living, professional politician, he comes in third. i come in second. trump, no good. rubio, unbelievable night. unbelieve available victory. think of it. and then they said he's very, very close. he's very close. oh, he could maybe surpass -- i think it's a difference of almost 3,000 votes. that's a lot. that's a lot of votes. but you know, for iowa, that's a lot of votes, let me tell you. i think it was 25, 2,600. it was a large amount of votes. it wasn't really close. he came in second. the headline is, winner of the night, marco rubio. trump, humiliated.
no, they didn't use that word. they used like, didn't do that well. i'm saying how come the guy that comes in third, and he's a professional politician, and i beat him by, you know, a lot, how come the guy that comes in third, isn't this typical reporter, the media, the worst people ever. the worst. the worst. >> there he is. let's go back to robert costa. i say to the guys, an old irish term, he listens with his tongue. a great example, humiliated, and then he waited. sometimes hillary clinton, in fact, a lot of regular politicians do that. they fight the applause and their voice rises, and they sorts of surf. what he does, he says something, and he listens and waits for the applause to build and he basks in it. he seems to mod late back and forth. tell me about that, robert, because that is classic trump. he is back on his game here.
>> people forget, he's been on the public stage for four decades. he news how to be a showman. when it is time to make his closing argument, you see echoes of you see a billionaire how to work a stage, work a crowd and understands the press. he needs to drive a news cycle right now and he says he's going to attend the next debate and continue to attack his opponents, but his favorite is the press. >> he enjoys that, even though individually, he's not -- you notice how he was nice to the press tonight in that press conference. it's showbiz, we all know that. scott, it was great having you on. you talk the way i think, any way, the way i analyze these things. you got the vote -- >> thanks. >> thank you, robert costa, jacob, well, he went inside a caucus last night. a little of last night, some of the theater for some of the most fascinating voter to voter political debate, arguing with
welcome back to "hardball," from sioux and des moines came down to a photo finish. they made their stands and rally for their candidates. a lot of back and fort last night. navigated in johnson county at the university fieldhouse. let's take a look at the highlights visually. >> hey, brian, so by the looks of things in here, right now, you wouldn't know this is about to be one of the most important nights in american politics. we have cheerleading going on. a little basketball game over here, on this side, we have a badminton night, and over here, on the far corner of the
fieldhouse, built in 1927, carla smith. the caucus chairperson for precinct number three, running the whole show when the doors close. they were supposed to close at 7:00 p.m., but have you been able to close them yet. >> they are, as far as people, but still people in line. if they were in line at 7:00, they could come through the doors. there were too many people in line. >> carla has an incredible job on her hands. running around back and forth. here she comes again. hillary clinton group, they've gone over to the undecided group to recruit voters. when you swing around here, bernie sanders, maybe two, three, three times as large as the hillary clinton group. and again, this group, they're counting them all at the same time, because they literally ran out of cards. >> in all fairness, the martin o'malley group too. these guys in the corner over here, as the seas part, are the
martin o'malley group. they're not viable yet. they're going to get pitched to join bernie or -- >> i can't see them. they're invisible. who are the martin o'malley people? >> you are here for martin oel mally. >> we are. >> you don't look viable yet? what are you going to do. >> we're looking at the undecided vote over there. i think they're really key in the political party system. >> who are you thinking about realigning to right now? what is your name? >> shane na. >> who rg go to realign to? >> bernie sanders. >> sanders. >> bernie. >> i mean, i'm holding out for o'malley. >> holding out, all right. looks like a heavy lift. going to be here for a while, right. >> yeah. >> right now, we're seeing a little democracy in action. recruiting session going on right now. >> bernie is going to do. bernie is trying to lower, or is trying to equal them, so the upper class are not paying the same amount of taxes as the middle and lower. bernie is trying to equal the
playing fields. do you understand? >> i still feel like paying the same amount of taxes whereas people who make more income would be paying even more taxes because they can afford it. >> right, okay, so the percentage that you pay is going to be equal no matter how much income you have. >> okay. >> that's what bernie's stance is, he's trying to level it. >> rachel, brian, this is how it goes. >> are you concerned that your not able to get them out. >> yes, yes, yes. >> and is that something that you guys have talked about in advance? >> well, yeah, but there a number i can call and use somebody else to call them any think. >> we're going to let you do that and you can do that. >> thank you so much. >> again, guys, that is carla smith, the caucus chair for iowa city precinct number three at the fieldhouse at the university of iowa. >> help her out by loaning her a charger, that would be really cool of you. >> jacob, the thank you so much, great reporting last night. as i said last night, it was a wow of photographic excellence
last night. i've never seen that display of the different factions and how people have lined up. wonderful interplay there. bernie sanders is not for the flat tax. somebody should tell him that he would be for the flat tax. >> i would have done it, chris, there were so many things going on. we really appreciate your kind words on the air last night. >> let me tell you about, because playing in the pocket, the fact that you could move around that room with ha wonderful style of yours to keep the camera on you and teach us something. that you could only do visually. you could sit in a booth and talk about caucus, but you showed us what it looked like. when we hear about iowa, oh, yeah, i remember that gym in iowa city, i remember that place. >> the fieldhouse, yeah it's the fieldhouse. when you're in that place, it
felt remarkable. it's really the only way i can describe it. when you look at ultimately the final results, the bird's eye camera, we're looking at it right here, look how close it was, right. so hillary clinton walked away ultimately with one precinct level delegate from that location, and it makes you think that little clump of people you're seeing on the screen, that had to make a difference. >> yeah, she got something to get into the game with. by the way, not under your purview, but the wonderful pictures, did you see of bernie sanders in his hotel room. these were historic pictures of a guy watching television, his political fate unfold. it was great. as i said last night to brian and rachel, it's the kind of picture you wouldn't get until a week or two until "time magazine" or at the end of the year in fact. >> real time stuff. and you know, he's sitting there watching the television, so he's in real time watching this group of voters, i would assume watching msnbc, all assembled.
what is going through his head at that moment is what i was wondering? >> i don't know, everything we did last night was great reporting last night. thank you, jacob. we'll be seeing you on "hardball" a lot more later. one week after the new hampshire primary, who can cease the momentum the live free or die state a winner next tuesday night. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.
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uphill road. she's down by double digits. can she walk away the waybill clinton did in 1992, and say it was a comeback if she gets closer? you first. >> that's the strategy. talking to her people in new hampshire, they've got a tremendous infrastructure there from last time around. women, especially, are a terrifically important in new hampshire democratic party politics. they run the democratic party in the state. >> we can see. the senator. >> the senator, the governor, et cetera. it's all hands on deck for those people. in iowa there are a lot of celebrity drop ins who are canvassing. maybe they will show up in new hampshire. what matter s the local women. >> back in '08, when hillary had her great comeback out there. you and i watched those -- i talked about her interview. hours of standing out in the
field house just talking it through and answering every question like bill used to do back in '92. all of a sudden in new hampshire you see a lot of boston civil servants showing up. >> i think the back signal has gone out. okay. >> every party person in the northeast taken up there for hillary because they're theory is that's the only way to win the white house. that's they're theory. not bernie's. >> she will get second there's two candidates. >> how close she can get? >> you want to make a call. how close does she have to get? >> she needs to get pretty close. you heard her in her interview. she was lowering expectations saying this is bernie's background. your neighbors vote for your neighbors. >> how close, three points? >> i think if she's within five points she can claim victory. we were down 20 points last
week. look at our momentum. we're going to south carolina. we're going to win there. she can claim that she won one and came close. >> a big question for the big thinker. i'm not being sarcastic. is hillary clinton still the favorite to win the nomination even after the photo finish? >> i guess but by a coin flip. bernie sanders is a weaponized version of every progressive slash liberal you've seen in the past. it's usually the mainstream person that wins. this is not a mainstream political year. bernie has three and a half million donors. he's got small donations from everywhere. this thing will go all the way down to june. it's going to go all the way to june. >> without me talking about it because i work with msnbc, is that what this debate is about. he wants to have a string of debates right there?
he wants to keep the fight going. >> hillary thinks she can knock him around in this next debate because she seized on a good argument about preserving obama care. then it's a whole series of debates. >> it does. >> i think so, yes. >> who wins a bunch of debates? >> i think bernie wins. he has only has one point. >> this is hardball. the place for politics.
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tonight on all in. we now know who won the votes in iowa. >> there was a big turn out and we won. >> who is winning the narrative. >> we astounded the world. then, how does donald trump respond to defeat. >> you have many, many people that aren't doing well. i am doing well. >> since when is third place a victory? >> we're incredibly grateful and excited about all this. the trouble with deciding who will lead the free world with a coin toss. >> tie has been broken by a coin flip and will go to bernie sanders for the delegate. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening. now the battle in votes have ended, the fight for control of