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good morning, i'm kate snow. we are live in manchester, new hampshire, this morning beginning with breaking news to report. republican presidential candidate rand paul is suspending his presidential campaign. the kentucky senator placed fifth in monday's iowa caucuses. he was one of the first to get into the race back in april of last year but failed to gain traction. in a statement we have just received, rand paul writes, quote, the fight is far from over. i will continue to carry the torch for liberty in the united states senate and i look forward to earning the privilege to represent the people of kentucky for another term. more on that breaking news in just a moment. but, first, why we are here in new hampshire. voters here now have less than a
week to make up their minds before tuesday's first in the nation presidential primary. candidates are crisscrossing the state today and we're here to bring it all to you. this morning we're going to be seeing ted cruz, marco rubio, hillary clinton and according to the latest poll out this morning, all three of those candidates, i mentioned, have some work to do. on the republican side, donald trump has a commanding 24 point lead in new hampshire, even combining support for cruz and rubio won't get you close to the billionaire businessman. trump not the only republican in the state today. sorry, is the only republican not in the state today. he's taking his campaign to arkansas after finishing second in iowa. >> people didn't talk about my second place. they didn't talk about it as positively as they should have and yet with marco, who was more than 2,000 votes behind me, that's a lot of votes, by the way, they said, oh, he's surging, he's surging. >> six weeks ago donald trump was saying every day that i was
his friend, that he loved me, that i was terrific, that i was nice. and now i'm an anchor baby. >> this campaign isn't about personal insults. if they want to do that, that's fine. it will reflect on them, not on me. i'm going to focus on the future of the united states of america. >> on the democratic side, polls in the two-person race between bernie sanders and hillary clinton show sanders running away with it. he is up 61 to 32% here in new hampshire. despite that margin though, clinton says she's not giving up here where she's holding three events today. >> i am so thrilled that i'm coming to new hampshire after winning iowa! i can tell you, i've won and i've lost there. it's a lot better to win.
>> if we reach out to our friends, our neighbors, our co-workers, if we bring out large numbers of people, we are going to win next tuesday. >> we're here at j.d.'s tavern in manchester, new hampshire. i'm joined here by katie tur, alex and kristen welker is in derry. on the telephone this morning, our political director, mark, let me start with you. you just heard this breaking news with rand paul suspending his campaign, getting out of the race. i guess maybe not so shocking given his standing in iowa. >> yeah. not all that shocking, kate. it is worth noting that he finished in fifth place in the iowa caucuses on monday and that is a worse position than his father ended up getting in 2012. a lot of people forget this, but ron paul, his father, ended up finishing third in iowa, getting more than 20% of the vote back in 2012 and then he and ron paul
got second place in new hampshire, again, more than 20%. and rand paul was really struggling to energize his father's libertarian constituency, and rand paul also really struggled in this campaign season dominated by donald trump. one thing that the paul family always kind of rend was the anti-establishment taking on the party was it was going to be hard to out trump donald trump on this issue. rand paul failed to have the same kind of reception that his dad ended up getting in 2012, which honestly was a smaller field, not containing as many heavy weights. but rand paul -- one other thing worth noting, that rand paul has a senate contest. he's up for re-election this year and after finishing in fifth in iowa he promptly thought it was important for him to get back and start preparing to hold on to his senate seat. >> and, mark, are you surprised
that it comes this quickly? there's been a lot of talk that not of the sort of underlings on the republican side would get out of the way until after the vote here in new hampshire? >> reporter: yeah, you know, again, the timing sometimes is always a little bit surprising, kate. you know, covering a lot of these campaigns, sometimes you think these people get out a little bit too early. sometimes you think they get out a little bit late but, again, i think it's important to emphasize howell h well his fat ended up doing in new hampshire. after rand paul ended up lagging his father's performance in iowa, looked like that was going to be a similar situation in new hampshire, he probably decided it's time to leave and start focusing on his senate re-election campaign. really the big question is who does this end up benefitting? again, we're not talking about a huge percentage. you have to think given that anti-establishment lane, that this does help at the margins donald trump and ted cruz where all of a sudden you're kind of
boosting that anti-establishment percentage where in new hampshire, you know, it is really striking, there is an establishment pileup between and among marco rubio, jeb bush, john kasich and chris christie. >> all right. mark, stand by. thanks so much. let me turn to our panel. we've added a chair here in new hampshire. hi, hallie. hallie jackson is here, alex sykes walt and katie tur. you've covered rand paul. you've been mostly lately on the cruz campaign. what do you make of him dropping out getting out of the way? >> the timing is interesting, kate. we're six days before a place where he could have been strong. he talked all the time about the liberty vote. yesterday we hear -- >> yeah. >> that's his wheel house. new hampshire is a place where he would be successful in doing that. you look at the latest polls he is in low single digits, 2%. so it seems like he saw the writing on the wall and his
campaign realized that he simply was not going to be able to compete here. it's interesting. i didn't get a chance to listen to everything mark said. they moved the caucuses in kentucky so he could run for senate and president at the same time. this is i think significant and it's going to potentially benefit somebody like a ted cruz. his campaign knows to compete here they have to consolidate not just the small christian conservative but also peel off the libertarian votes. they don't have to peel anymore. ted cruz will be a natural fit. >> is donald trump, is there any crossover between folks -- >> i think you can argue both ways. donald trump has been the consummate outsider. rand paul has had nice things to say about donald trump and his father. there is some ability for some supporters to peel off to donald trump. it could be ted cruz. the race is open. donald trump is -- not to be donald trump's defender in this, but he is up by 24 points in this state, and really at this point it is his state to lose. i mean, he certainly is reeling from that loss in iowa even though it wasn't a bad showing
by a first-time candidate, he needs to do well in this state in order to have any momentum to move on. what we've seen is they seem like they're spending a little bit more money here. he had a rally here last night and i saw more volunteers in the crowd. i asked him specifically though if he's going to change anything when it comes to his ground game, if he has any regrets for iowa. let's take a listen to what he said. >> i think it could have been the debate. i think some people were disappointed that i didn't go in the debate. if i had it to do again i would have done the exact same thing, and the reason is, do you know why? because i raised $6 million for the vets in one hour. so if i took a second place instead of a first place and could give the vets $6 million, i'll do that all day long. >> same subject though. >> and so basically when i asked him in this news conference he had yesterday if he would do anything differently, he said no but, then again, last night on fox news he said he probably
didn't have the greatest ground game in iowa. what we were hearing from some of the sources on the ground in iowa is they didn't have enough financial help from the national team, they didn't have enough support when it came to volunteers at their events. when we were here yesterday we saw a number of volunteers extra. they were canvassing the crowd asking them to do a walk and talk for donald trump. but a ground game has not been his strength and whether he loses the support because of that we're going to have to wait and see. but if he does, that would just be such a major loss in the state. >> i can imagine the phone calls that are being made right now from the trump campaign, the cruz campaign working to see if they can get rand paul's support. >> i have new reaction from the cruz campaign. a text message from the campaign saying rand paul ran a good race and they are working hard to earn the support of the people who supported rand paul. what you would expect. nothing earth shattering. they're cranking into high gear. mark made this point, rand paul is in a tough race in kentucky. >> he did. >> that's partly why the
decision is being made. >> because he needs to go back home if he's going keep his senate seat. he has to focus on that. >> absolutely. this is his home turf. he doesn't want to give up his senate seat the way marco rubio did. he went through a lot of effort to get the rules changed so he could run for both. his fundamental problem was to deal with his dad's legacy. he had to expand beyond what his dad did. he created a major movement and did well but nowhere near what you need to do to get the presidency. >> big shoes. >> he wasn't able to do both and ended up splitting the baby, alienating people in both camps. >> since i have you all here. let's move back to the people you normally cover. you've been talking about trump. alex, you've been talking about bernie sanders. this is his state to win. he's at 60 plus points in every recent poll -- tracking polls for the last couple of days here. it's his neighboring state. can he lose new hampshire? is there any way? >> well, obviously you want to
be up in the polls, but there's also a down side that comes with it. so if in iowa his whole message was trying to spin a thyme bey little loss as an actual win, in new hampshire it's going to be spinning a win as an actual win and not just home state advantage which is what hillary clinton clinton and her campaign is trying to say. if that gap closes, that's going to look bad. if he doesn't put up the same kind of numbers that he looks like he has now, that's not going to look good. he has to make it look like it's an actual win that people came out and supported him for president, not just because he's next door and this is a foregone conclusion. >> he was asked about this on the "today" show this morning, about his strategy moving forward. i think we have that clip we can play. >> hillary clinton won new hampshire in 2008. she has a very strong organization. her husband ran two campaigns there. >> i understand that, senator. given what the circumstances are right now, would anything less than a resounding victory in new hampshire be disappointing for you? >> matt, that's just media talk,
you know. every state you go to that's what the media says. what happens in iowa? what happens in new hampshire? it's very important to us. we want to win it. >> there you have it. i mean, he is going to say that clinton won here, that bill clinton was the comeback kid. this is really the state that gave both of them their shot to the presidency. >> right. >> it didn't take hillary clinton all the way there, but it did keep her alive. we'll see if we can get to that all about managing expectations. >> hosts "saturday night live." >> bernie sanders will make an appearance. >> we joke about it, but that is such his strength right now is sanders has got the snl viewers, right? he's got the young people. >> he does, yeah. >> trump has some of them, too. >> he has some of them. trump's support kind of crosses a lot of boundaries, but i think with the bernie sanders stuff, especially the young kids watching snl, seeing larry david are amused by that. >> i'm not so young and i was amused by it.
i'm just saying. >> they were inspired by it. it's kind of the exact opposite of what we saw of sarah palin which is more of a making fun of and not laughing with. >> ted cruz today, set up where he's at today and -- i mean, he dashed off to south carolina last night. >> and then back again to new hampshire late last night. >> have you slept at all? >> i did, thank you. you know, he's got a lot of events today, both retail stops and the town halls. the campaign, i spoke with an aide last night who said they are expecting big crowds here because ted cruz in new hampshire, given it's not a state where you think he would do well can attract that 18 to 23% of the sort of very conservative evangelical vote here. you look at somebody, i think it's interesting like a mike huckabee in 2008, he basically barely campaigned then yet still pulled in 11 or 12% of the vote in new hampshire which then was nowhere what you needed to beat the people who got 37%, but given that the establishment lane is so split right now, everybody is sort of in that 10, 12, 8% range.
something like a 14% could end up putting ted cruz in a position where -- not that he would beat donald trump who's dominating right now in new hampshire but to at least play. >> let's check in on the other democratic candidate. nbc's candidate kristen welker is in derry, new hampshire. that's where hillary clinton will be in the next hour. we hope to go to that live. set up the sort of state of play for hillary clinton right now? >> reporter: kate, i heard you talking about the expectations game with alex and that's exactly the game that the clinton campaign is playing as well. you hear that in her comments. she said i'm taking on senator bernie sanders who's next door in neighboring vermont. they have been stressing that this is going to be a tough state for them to win. they've really been trying to lower expectations. at the same time, it is all hands on deck here. the clinton campaign bringing in hard top surrogates, former president bill clinton, gabby giffords, mark kelly. it's more than that, kate. they are bringing in everyone
from clinton world to help volunteer and build up the ground game so when it comes time for voters to vote they're getting them to the polls and getting clinton supporters to the polls. the other part of the strategy to close the gap in new hampshire has to do with her message. she has been increasingly stressing her progressive credentials. clearly an acknowledgment that that is resonating for the democratic party right now. it could play a big role right here in new hampshire where you have a lot of independents. you talk about relationships with new hampshire. obviously bernie sanders from neighboring vermont but as alex pointed out, the clintons have a very special relationship with new hampshire as well. this is where in 1992 bill clinton declared that he was the comeback kid and this is the state that revived secretary clinton's chances for the white house in 2008. so there's a blueprint for this, kate. she was behind barack obama after the iowa caucuses in 2008 and she came back and overtook him for a win. the question is, can she do it again this time around?
kate? >> all right. kristen welker following the clinton campaign. we had mark murray on the phone, katie tur, hallie jackson. alex seitz. thank you all. it's so great to see you in person. we don't get to see each other all the time. tomorrow night, rachel maddow and chuck todd will moderate a debate. it's thursday, 9:00 p.m. eastern, 6:00 p.m. pacific right here on msnbc. despite his second place showing in iowa, donald trump says that is not bad for a rookie. here's what he had to say on "morning joe." >> i think that i did well there. i think that i came in second place. a strong second place. i was told always that i could not do well in iowa. i was told, don't go to iowa. i said, what are you talking about? they said, it's not your place, don't go there. i said, i know people there. i think i'll do well. and i went there.
i started in tenth place and went there. i came in, i ended up in second place. i guess there was a poll that came out that had me winning it by four or five points, a pretty close poll, but i came in second place. and, you know, i'm happy with that. it's interesting that marco came in third place and they said it's one of the great victories in the history of politics. and i said, well, how come if he came in third place and i came in substantially better at second place, why isn't mine one of the great victories in the history of politics? and they said, no, no, his is, yours isn't. i said, that's wonderful. i didn't understand that. you know, i came in second place. you know, i was satisfied. i think probably it's a place i could have won if i really went there more and did a little more work there. you know, i was -- i was satisfied with it. >> you've obviously risen on the personality of your personality and big crowds. ted cruz rose on his organization. he's had people working for months and months getting out to
the precincts making sure the voters came out. do you feel in some ways you need to have a little bit more of a conventional campaign, which is to say more organization on the ground going forward and more of a team working on those things. >> i think we could have used a better ground game, a term i wasn't familiar with. when you hear ground game, you say, what the hell is that? now i am familiar with it. i think in retrospect we should have had a better ground game. i would have funded a better ground game but, you know, people told me my ground game was fine. and i think by most standards -- standards it was. don't forget, in the history of iowa, i got the most votes other than one person, ted, i got the most votes in the history of iowa for the republican primary and caucus. i got a tremendous amount of votes. nobody came close. you know, so -- that's in history other than the one person. so there was a lot of action. we had, i think, 50 or 60,000 people more voted than the last time, which is tremendous.
i think i'll take some of that credit. there was a lot of spirit. i think i brought something to the republicans and actually ted had said this and other people have said this, that, you know, i had brought something. a lot of people. a lot more eye balls are going in looking at what we're doing. and the crowds are much bigger. i think the crowds are bigger for everyone. the crowds are very big. >> moving on to new hampshire, what did you learn. >> it's complicated. you think everything is fine. it's not like you walk in and you vote and you walk out. you know, you're in and out in ten minutes or two minutes. the caucus system is a complex system that i was never familiar with. don't forget, joe, i'm doing this for the first time. >> right. >> i'm like a rookie and i'm
learning fast. and i do learn fast. and i think we're doing -- you know, i think we did really well. hey, look, there were many governors and many senators in iowa that would have loved to have had the second place finish. >> that was donald trump. donald trump this morning on "morning joe." ted cruz riding high following his victory in iowa, but he faces an even tougher task here in new hampshire where polls have him far behind donald trump. joining me now former new hampshire senator bob smith, co-chair for ted cruz's campaign team here in new hampshire. nice to see you, senator. >> good morning, kate. >> thanks for being here bright and early. >> apologize for the wardrobe. >> this is new hampshire. what are you going to do? it's cold out there. we're lucky to be inside. let me ask you about the breaking news this morning, rand paul dropping out, suspending his campaign technically. what do you make of that? and is ted cruz on the phone already trying to see if maybe he can get an endorsement? >> first of all, let me say rand
paul and his dad ron paul were two of the staunchest defenders of liberty in the history of the republic. he has a lot of followers in new hampshire, and i think they'll have to make their own mind up but i think if they really take a hard look at who's out there defending liberty and defending new hampshire values against the washington establishment, the washington cartel, i think not only rand paul followers, but i think conservatives consistently -- consistent conservatives, good conservatives who have been conservative throughout their history -- their voting history will be for senator cruz. >> why do you think it didn't work out for rand paul? we've been talking about it. he didn't get a lot of traction. certainly didn't get as much traction as his father did. some people have pointed to foreign policy in an era when everyone is concerned about terrorism. he's an isolationist. >> it's tough analyze another guy's campaign. i've been working with senator cruz for about a year.
there are a lot of good candidates in there who are good conservatives, defenders of liberty. you know, iowa has a tendency to winnow people out. it just didn't happen. but he's a great man. he's a great american and i believe that his people will come -- will come -- hopefully will come to us. i would just say some may be looking at donald trump. i heard that in your previous segment, but, you know, donald trump's position on eminent domain private people taking private property is a huge issue for libertarians and liberty-minded people. so if you're looking at donald trump -- >> i like how you just got that in there. >> well, it's a fact. >> let's talk about ted cruz and the results in iowa. the last two republicans to win iowa, rick santorum, mike huckabee, could not replicate that here in new hampshire. >> right. >> they had trouble, quite frankly, the evangelical vote doesn't exist here the way it does in iowa. how is ted cruz going to capture enough votes here in the live free or die state?
>> i think first of all senator cruz is running on new hampshire values, against the cartel in washington. all of the things that conservatives here stand for, believe in, he represents. you know, whether it's against planned parenthood, against amnesty, against illegal immigration and, you know, lower taxes, lower spending, growth, all of those things are new hampshire values. the second point which is a little more logistical. the very same organization, the very same tenants of that organization that won in iowa -- >> the ground game, if you will. >> the ground game, you took the words right out of my mouth, are on the ground here. i've been involved in it now for nine months and i can tell you it's a good -- it's a great ground game. the best i've ever seen. >> have you moved the apparatus from iowa or these are people here all the time? >> these are our people here but it's the same technology, if you will, the identifying voters, finding out who our voters are and talking to them one on one.
phone zbluf camp cruz here in you new hampshire? >> it's out here. i'm a believer. i've been involved in politics here for 30 years and i can tell you that this is the best campaign organization i've ever seen. >> former senator bob smith, always good to see you. >> good to see you. >> i feel like i'm back in new hampshire now that you're here. >> welcome back. >> from the cruz campaign. thanks for your time this morning. we're expecting to hear from rand paul. we'll bring that to you live. after the break, what's happening on the ground with most of the candidates traveling up and down the state of new hampshire but why isn't donald trump pushing as hard here? that's next. text mom. boys have been really good today. send. let's get mark his own cell phone. nice. send. brad could use a new bike. send. [siri:] message. you decide. they're your kids. why are you guys texting grandma? it was him. it was him. keep your family connected. app-connect. on the newly redesigned passat.
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granite state voters in the nation's first primary vote next tuesday. >> god bless the great state of new hampshire. >> we're bringing all of that energy, all of that excitement, all that determination right here to new hampshire where we're going to work hard up until the primary next week. >> my goal from the beginning was to come to new hampshire and to really, really do very well. that's what we're going to do next tuesday. >> astounded the world! and now in new hampshire we're going to astound the world again. >> and it's another busy day for the candidates as they crisscross the state in the hopes of winning over undecided voters.
let's start by looking at the new poll today showing donald trump with a sizeable lead over his rivals despite the fact that he's not even in the state today. he's in arkansas. we learned that in iowa it was all about the ground game. we were just talking about that with ted cruz's representative. can he maintain a lead here if he's not always here in the state? >> well, it makes it a lot harder, certainly. in polls he's leading by double digits. >> marco rubio jumped up because of iowa. >> exactly. it gives momentum to people like rubio. he came out of iowa with all of the momentum with all of this talk you hear even on capitol hill representative pete sessions was talking about perhaps switching his vote from
bush to rubio. there's a lot more endorsement talk. a lot more establishment consolidation talk. but then on the inverse of that, trump really has to prove himself here and he's not here to do it. >> but he is coming back to be fair. >> he was here last night and he drew a sizeable crowd. it was sort of the old school trump that we saw last night again. not the sober, you know, i came in second but the i'm here, i'm back. ground game wise, and i hate that i keep using that term, but do they have -- have they learned from iowa and will the trump campaign be able to get out more of a vote here? >> it remains to be seen. that's really crucial here. when i was at iowa at his events there you saw -- you would go -- he never actually asked for their vote. he's such the nontraditional politician. he never once said please go out and caulk tus for me. this time around he's learning in that sense. he did say go out and vote for me this time around. the question is are they registering voters? are they getting pledge cards
signed? are they getting contact information and following up for them? that takes a lot of effort and staff and state. >> that little stuff matters. >> yeah. >> there's a lot of speculation about some of the other republicans here and that this may be a do or die state. we're talking about for jeb bush, for john kasich, maybe even for chris christie who came in tenth in iowa although he would say he's doing very well here in new hampshire. is this a do or die for them? >> certainly it is for jeb bush i think and chris christie. chris christie particularly because he's staked so much on this state, right? so he got the endorsement of "the union leader" which is the biggest paper in the state. he seems to be the establishment pick here. he's not doing well. he's behind jeb in polls. he spent so much of the last week out of state. he had that huge storm in new jersey which, you know, he had to go back to new jersey to do the cleanup for. then he actually went to iowa. i think it was a bad gamble because he thought he could knock jeb bush out in iowa and jeb actually ended up beating him in iowa. now he's here, he lost that whole week of campaigning in new
hampshire and he didn't knock out jeb bush. so i think it's tough for him. >> it's going to be interesting. kay newton small, great to see you again. >> great to see you. we're also expecting to hear from rand paul at any moment after announcing this morning -- his campaign acknowledging he would drop out of the race. several events on the schedule for marco rubio including one next hour. we'll check in with our correspondent on the rubio campaign after a quick break. the microsoft cloud allows us to
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good morning. campaign staffers are getting this location ready. another town hall is set to get underway in just a short time not far from here. marco rubio is trying to make the case that he is the most electable here. his campaign really trying to make that argument in that it is now a three-person race on the republican side between him, donald trump, and ted cruz. in a town hall meeting last night he really tried to make the case that he was best positioned to take on bernie sanders or hillary clinton. of course, that has made him a target for the so-called establishment candidates like jeb bush, chris christie and john kasich. yesterday chris christie especially took him head on calling him the boy in the bubble and saying that this was not a student council election. i spoke with marco rubio yesterday and here was his response to that attack. >> reporter: today chris christie called you the boy in the bubble. those are some strong words for christie. >> he's had a -- i think it's been a tough couple of days for chris and some of the other
guys. they're not doing well. some people react badly sometimes to adversity. look, this campaign isn't about personal insults. if they want to do that, that's fine. it will reflect on them, not on me. i'm going to focus on the future of the united states of america. >> reporter: of course, the rubio campaign trying to ride that momentum from that strong third place finish in iowa. the campaign announcing today so far his campaign has raised $2 million since the iowa caucuses. kate? >> all right. gabe gutierrez, thanks so much. coming up, we're going to tackle the emotional topic of addiction. it's a problem plaguing new england towns. i'm going to talk to a mother who's watched her son battle six years of addiction. he's now clean, she's now an advocate. she wants to hear what the presidential candidates are going to change. to shut everybody else up about me quitting smoking. i was going to give it a try, but i didn't really think it was going to really happen. after one week of chantix, i knew i could quit. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven
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one topic that's on everyone's agenda here on the trail. democrats and republicans. >> i was not prepared to hear from so many about what was happening in the families of new hampshi hampshire, addiction, the heroin epidemic, which is one of the highest rates in this state of any in the country. >> we've got a big drug problem, big one, but for somebody who's hooked, i don't think we should throw their lives away. i think we ought to be able to help them to get rehabilitated so they can get back on their feet. >> this is not just heroin, although that is an extraordinary phenomena of people converting from opiates to heroin. it's what i've learned in my 24 visits to new hampshire, that it's a serious problem here. >> we need a comprehensive
strategy to deal with this. >> one new hampshire family shared their story with us, very personal experience with the struggle. susan allen samuels son joe was addicted to heroin for six years. he overdosed and ended up in the hospital at least three times. he says the hardest part is all the friends he's lost. >> you know, not all of my friends are gone, but my close friends that i had throughout the years. i had a best friend, you know, through middle school, through high school and then after high school, all dead. they're all gone. the really close friends that i've lost cut pretty deep. >> you think about your friends a lot? >> quite a bit. a lot of close friends. >> i see that that's hard. what's hard about it?
>> call from ha-- it's clearly preventible. >> not wanting to die in their 20s? >> no. >> that's tough stuff. now in the lead up to the next primary next week, susan and joe are listening to what the candidates have to say about the drug epidemic sweeping through their state and how candidates plan to help families like theirs. with me now is susan allen sam mu el, agreed to get up early in the morning and come out here. susan, it's nice to see you again. we spent some time with you out on the campaign trail. your family has been through so much. you've got six kids. you've got 12 grandkids. >> yeah, i do. >> you're doing so much better now, we should point out, that joe is sober now for a couple of years and doing really well. >> i have my son back. >> you have your son back. >> a lot of families don't though. >> i think people don't realize
outside of this region how difficult this is here. i mean, this is touching everyone. joe said every one of his close friends from high school, they're gone. >> every single one of them, and i was close to some of them, too. this is a live free or die state, and quite frankly we're not living free. we're sending our kids out of state. we're sending them to the streets. they're going to jail. and mostly they're dying. >> sending them out of state for treatment. >> for treatment. it's not appropriate treatment. >> why is that? is there just a severe lack of places to go for help? >> lack of treatment. lack of insurance that covers treatment. waiting too long for treatment. nobody should have to wait six weeks for a medical crisis, and it's at least six weeks, and that's if you can get a bed if you have insurance. >> the number of lives lost here in the state of new hampshire is just startling. i want to show a graph that we found to illustrate that. this is the spike in deaths from overdoses since 2011.
so that's 385 last year, but look at how that line goes up be over the last four years. why here? people don't understand why in these beautiful idyllic little communities, you live in this pretty picturesque town with farmhouses. >> why not? because there is no treatment. we treat every other medical condition, and it is a biological disease, and it can be treated. we treat it like it's a moral or a character flaw and we respond by putting people in jail or allowing them to die. we are 49th in this country for treatment. there's something really wrong with that picture. >> and has it become such a trend up here that young people get involved and it doesn't seem like that big of a deal for them to take heroin? >> i don't have a good answer for that. it's available and it's cheap. they don't start with heroin. nobody starts with heroin. nobody gets up in the morning and says, i think i'm going to shoot up some heroin today. they start with prescription
pills. easily available but not so much anymore. heroin's cheap. it's available. >> yeah. i've had so many people tell me that that's the path that they took, they were using prescription drugs and they got -- those are really expensive. a tablet can be $80 and then you switch to heroin because it's cheap. >> heroin isn't new. it's not the only issue we have. right now it's what's killing our kids and family members? >> what are candidates missing? they clearly know there's a problem here. >> so what are they going to do about it? when are they going to put their money -- we need to stop talking about it and do something about it. our kids are dieing while we keep having conversations about it. what about parity? we don't treat it equal to any other medical condition? what are they doing about it? i haven't heard them say what they're going to do about it yet. they all acknowledge it's a problem. they acknowledge it's happened in their own families. it's different for them. they have resources that we don't have. sorry, but they do. >> the candidates? >> the candidates. >> who have had family --
because they have talked about their families. >> absolutely. and i'm sorry for their families. no family should have to deal with an issue like this. no family should have to suffer through even if you don't lose your child to an overdose or death, you lose your child for a long time. hope they come back. >> are you still going and seeing the candidates? we followed you to a couple of different -- jeb bush, hillary clinton. you're trying to see as many as you can before tuesday. >> well, i'm supposed to be going to the other -- to see bill clinton tonight but i'm really kind of torn with what's going on with hillary and bernie because i haven't really heard him say anything. >> so you're still making up your mind as a voter? >> i haven't decided. i'm leaning a certain way but i haven't decided. it's up to them to make me decide. >> susan allen samuel, we respect your choice to talk about this out loud. it's not easy. >> it should be easy and thank you for letting me talk. >> it should be a conversation. >> should be. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we should mention that i'll have more on the story of susan's town and the struggle
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rand is he's a true believer in what he stands for. the liberty movement needs to be part of the conservative republican coalition. we would welcome them in. absolutely. >> are you asking for his endorsement? do you plan to ask him directly for his endorsement? >> sure, i would love to have rand's support. i haven't spoken to him. this happened while i was here. i also know he's now going to focus on the senate re-election in kentucky. >> that's some sound we just got in here at msnbc. that's marco rubio reacting to the news that rand paul will be suspending his campaign. by the way, we're waiting for rand paul himself to make a statement from capitol hill. as soon as that happens, we'll bring that to you as well. this year marks the 100th anniversary of the new hampshire primary. the second half of the one-two punch that kicks off the presidential race. it could also be the punch that knocks out one or two candidates out of the race. for the last 40 years, every presidential nominee but one had a victory in iowa or new
hampshire before winning the nomination. the outlier was 1992 who five democrats won the early contest before bill clinton took control on super tuesday. donte' has been studying the state's primary for 15 years or more now. nice to see you in person. you could say that iowa doesn't always necessarily predict who is going to be the nominee. new hampshire maybe doesn't always either, knbut the two ar as we said, someone usually wins one or the other. how important is new hampshire? >> new hampshire republicans represent the moderate alternative to iowa. iowa, you have lots of religious conservatives, lots of social conservatives. new hampshire republicans, not especially religious. much more moderate to somewhat conservative in their outlook. they present kind of a balance to iowa, and often choose a different sort of candidate than iowa chooses. look at mike huckabee, rick
santorum. neither did well here. >> what about on the democratic side? you have bernie sanders, the next door neighbor. but if you had to describe the democratic voter in new hampshire? >> a bit more moderate than your iowa caucusgoer. lots of liberal democrats here, but a bigger presence of moderates. also, they tend to be more prosperous. lots of wealthy, suburban cou e couples living in the southern tier. >> those are the folks who commute into boston. >> lots of voters down there like that. >> you have written about your comparison between the average new hampshire voter, republican, and the average republican nationwide. you said, we're going to put this on the screen. new hampshire republicans are generally more moderate, equally hawkish on foreign policy, much less religious, much less socially conservative, more open to maverick candidates. that's the one i want to ask you about. does that mean donald trump has a great opening here? >> he does because he has been so much an anti-elite type of
candidate. and basically, sticking a stick in the eye of the party elite and saying, you're all bad. you're no good. so forth. another person is john kasich to watch. he's building a more bipartisan maverick message which is reminiscent a bit of john mccain. >> i notice his numbers today in the tracking poll are down just a couple. it's ephemeral, not necessarily a predictor, but he has been having a good couple weeks here. you said that new hampshire polling has been stable for months now, but in years past, we have seen big swings at the last minute. do you expect that could happen before next tuesday. >> i expect the unexpected spaulsh on the republican side. there are so many candidates to choose from. one fewer today, but still a lot. republicans have not made up their mind. there's a lot of voters with three or four candidates on their minds, not just, on the democratic side, it's much simpler, bernie or hillary. republicans, much more difficult. >> a lot of choices. >> absolutely. >> that's what makes it fun?
>> thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. we have sabig hour coming up here on msnbc. we're just moments away from the start of the two town halls here in new hampshire. senator ted cruz, senator marco rubio in pitsfield. >> on the democratic side, hillary clinton will be holding a get out the vote in dairy, new hampshire. we have all that covered for you. you're watching the place for politics. sixty-five plus. with high potency vitamin b12 and more vitamin d.
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the senator is considering making an endorsement, but it's not expected to come this week. speaking of kelly o'donnell, she's here with us. hallie jackson is here with us. nbc's katy tur is with us. all here in j.d.'s tavern. thank you for coming in so early. let me start with you, kelly, since we already mention led yo. there may be an endorsement coming? >> rand paul wants to be a player. if he couldn't get there himself, he wants to transfer some of the issues and voters he has in a place he thinks makes sense. his advisers are telling me he's thinking about that. to do an endorsement this week could have a potential impact on the outcome tuesday. don't expect that. the other thing people not following it closely may not realize is he's up for re-election to the senate seat. there's a clickical moment for him to decide where can he be most effective. he felt he has made an impact in
the senate. if it's not going his way to get the nomination, he doesn't want to mess with that contest in kentucky. >> doesn't want to lose the power he has. you cover capitol hill day in and day out. you know senator rand paul. >> a lot of time with him, yes. >> you just caught up with john kasich. >> we talked to the hi governor who is betting a lot on new hampshire and has really an interesting tack where katy has been following the tornado of trump with all the negativity, john kasich is trying to bring sunshine to the race. at the same time, he's always gaming out what his opponents look like. we talked about paul's exit with the ohio governor. >> i'm surprised he's getting out. i like rand paul. good guy. and best of luck in his senate re-election. i'm really surprised. i'm taken aback. >> taken aback. >> taken aback. i think that's because they're all looking to see what the
numbers told them from ohio. and they all are looking to grab on to voters -- >> iowa. >> i'm from ohio. i interviewed the ohio governor. when you look at that, he has potential to get some of those voters. and the next question i asked him was about that sort of libertarian streak here. and john kasich talked about the things that have really fueled the rand paul campaign. criminal justice reform, being concerned about privacy with respect to the government surveillance. things where john kasich would look to make maybe some of the same points and attract some of those voters. >> everybody is trying to attract those voters. by the way, every time we go away from the wide shot, you're all on your phones because people are texting you and e-mailing you right now from the campaigns and sources you talk to. what are they saying? >> there's a sense, kelly makes a great point about the endorsement and when that might come. rand paul has 2%, 3% of the vote. that's not going to make a huge difference here, but what he
does have that's important is grassroots activists and supporters on the ground. so the sense that i'm getting is probably the majority of them will end up with ted cruz. the rest will be split between trump and marco rubio, potentially. that's where you're going to see a lot of that support go. the other part to talk about with rand paul is what his departure from the race means as far as foreign policy. he has been the voice that has been a counterbalance to the hawkish interventionest policy. even though he probably wouldn't have won that argument on paper, he did at least give a presence to those within the republican party who felt their views weren't necessarily represented by the rest of the field. >> he's definitely not a hawk. not a get in there and take on, carpet bombing. >> carpet bombing an entire city is not going to appeal to a rand paul supporter. >> i'm guessing the trump folks say they're going to get them. >> they're not grabbing for it in the way that some of the other people in this state are because they're doing so well here. they're 24 points up. when you talk about crossover,
what the trump campaign has that is beneficial when it comes to the rand paul supporters and platform is this idea of liberty abroad. we can't be the world's policemen. we should let them take care of themselves and deal with our issues that are back here domestically. i think there's a really big crossover between rand paul and donald trump. the supporters thinking we do too much overseas, we get involved too much, we try to solve everybody's problems are a more natural fit when it comes to donald trump. does he need all those supporters? not necessarily. is he fighting for all of them? not necessarily. he's much more focused on ted cruz at the moment. saying he committed fraud essentially in iowa and the election should be nullified or take place again because of this carson mailer. >> has he been tweeting again this morning? >> yes, he has. >> get out of here. >> trump's preferred method. >> what is his message this morning? >> basically what he is saying is going hard after cruz. we thought maybe he would let up on cruz after iowa, because he
might end up going after rubio more considering how strongly rubio performed in iowa, but that's not the case. this seems much more personal. this is personal at this point. it's a series of tweets this morning. >> we are closer to canada. >> that's a good point. >> on another note. >> yeah. >> what he's saying is that between the voter violation mailer and between the cruz campaign telling people that ben carson was going to florida, insinuating he was dropping out of the race, what they did is tried to change the minds of voters in a very dishonest way. what they have done is what he's claiming is fraud. he said that based on the fraud committed by senator ted cruz in the iowa caucus either a new election should take place or cruz results need to be nullified. he thinks all those supporters of ben carson who were told ben carson was essentially dropping out went to ted cruz unfairly. >> the two points would be, number one, they have said all they did was tell their supporters what ben carson was
already saying. the other part is donald trump tweeted earlier this week that cruz was under investigation in iowa for the voting violation mailer. he's not actually under violation. the secretary of state in iowa didn't like it hat all. you can draw your own conclusions. >> this is a mailer -- >> dirty politics. it happens all the time. >> it accused voters of not showing up to vote. >> a social pressure. >> exactly. >> i'm not sure you can say either donald trump or ted cruz has run a completely fair and above the board campaign in a lot of ways. i think this is dirty politics. i think both of them are trying to get the support they need to get. i think you can be very critical on both sides. especially with donald trump and certainly with ted cruz in some ways, but donald trump has said a lot of outrageous things. he's offended a lot of people. the question is, if he gets past new hampshire and goes to the nomination, that's a big if right now, much more so than it was last week. how is he going to win over support in the general election? how is he going to win over the moderates or people he might have offended? what is he going to say to
appeal them? will he be able to erase everything in the past six, seven, eight, nine months. how long has it been? >> something like that. 100 years. >> that he's done that really hasn't gone over well with a lot of folks in this country. there was a poll out a few month ago. i'm sure we didn't do another one, that said 50% of americans said they would be embarrassed to call donald trump their president. >> of all americans. >> and chipping away at the cruz credibility by attacking his tactics is just another way to try to say he is not someone that voters should trust, and trust is a big part of the cruz sort of message. and so for trump, it makes sense to keep hitting every little point he can against cruz. >> one of the big appealing things about donald trump and his supporters is that he is speaking and saying things that nobody else says. he's saying it in a way that no one else says. he doesn't sound like a politician. of everybody on the stage, rand paul excluded because he didn't necessarily sound much like a politician.
donald trump owns that line. he owned that lane. everybody else sounds a little more rehearsed. >> hallie jackson, katy tur, kelly o'donnell. we could sit here and talk all day. kristen welker is waiting in derry, new hampshire, where we're going to see hik hib in about a half hour from now, right, kristen? >> that's right. she's going to take the stage here. we expect she's going to be fired up. she shaz delivered some of her most fired up speeches we have heard in recent days. that's in part because i think she's getting more comfortable being a candidate. also because she knows she's facing a real challenge from bernie sanders, who of course, came very close to her in iowa. the strategy for winning new hampshire, kate, is really three-fold. one, the clinton campaign lowering expectations.
>> okay. sorry. i've lost my ability to hear you guys. thanks so much. tomorrow night, by the way, hillary clinton and bernie sanders will go one-on-one in the msnbc democratic debate. chuck todd, rachel maddow, will moderate the debate from the university of new hampshire right here in durham, new hampshire. that's thursday night, 9:00 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. donald trump hitting senator cruz hard on several issues ahead of the new hampshire primary. one of them is an old favorite for trump, the fact that cruz was born in canada. we just mentioned it a minute ago. trump says cruz will be challenged on whether he's a natural born citizen, a requi requirement to become president. let's go to msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber for a closer look at that line of attack and whether it's working. >> nice to see you in new hampshire, kate. this is something that has come up before, but we're talking about it again because donald trump is talking about it. also goes to a big question people have politically, how does donald trump handle being a
loser, a loser coming out of iowa. although he argued he has plenty of good news to look forward to. let's hear from donald trump himself. starts out talking about the ben carson and ted cruz exchange and allegations that weren't exactly accurate. he gets later in the comment into the issue we have been discussing. let's take a listen. >> by that time, they're all gone. the election is over. what kind of people do we have running for office? no, it's honestly really, really dishonest. i think i know why. you know why? because he was born in canada. was. happens to be a problem, folks. that happens -- you watch. the democrats, they have already said they're going to -- >> what we bleeped there is part of what trump said, kate, is they're going to -- he projects the democrats are going to sue cruz's bleep off. now, i want to be clear. this has continued well into
today. just in the past hour or so, donald trump taking to twitter. let me read one of these comments. he says, look, ted cruz didn't win iowa. he stole it. that is why all the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. bad. and then there's a later tweet, kate, now where he's basically saying, donald trump, as of this hour, that the iowa results should somehow be thrown out or there should be a new election. so, let's talk through it here. legally, that's not how it works. you don't challenge caucus results in america through tweets. and politically, he's obviously trying to get everybody going. he's trying to get us going, you and me talking about it. that is the trump way. because he wants to create controversy. the real question is, when you look at some of these attacks on ted cruz's citizenship, the question we started with, or on challenging election results, does that endear donald trump to republican primary votes? i'll show you one more data point in the iowa results. we had exit polls. only 15% of people said they were bothered cruz was born
outside of the united states. in other words, the vast majority of core republicans voting this week in iowa didn't care. indeed, that number was lower than trump's total, which would suggest he's not winning people over with this, kate. >> all right. ari melber back in new york, thanks so much. >> so much ahead this hour. we're where much of the action is in presidential politics, in new hampshire. ted cruz, marco rubio, holding town halls. plus, hillary clinton narrowly winning in iowa, but bernie sanders overwhelmingly grabbing the youth vote. we'll look at how dpar that will carry him up next, live on msnbc from manchester. we were born 100 years ago into a new american century. born with a hunger to fly and a passion to build something better. and what an amazing time it's been, decade after decade of innovation, inspiration and wonder.
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welcome back to msnbc live. hillary clinton may have claimed victory in the iowa caucuses, but bernie sanders won overwhelmingly among younger voters. highlighting a stark demographic divide between the two candidates. look at the numbers. among caucusgoers between the ages of 17 and 29, sanders won 84% of that vote. that's compared to 14% of them for hillary clinton among that age group. just a short time ago, sanders spoke to msnbc's "morning joe" about several issues including why his campaign is resonating, he believes, with millennials. >> by definition, young people are idealistic. and they want our country to do more in many ways than we are currently doing. they're concerned about institutional racism, they're concerned about a broken criminal justice system. they're very engaged on the issue of climate change and the need to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel, and obviously, there's the
economic reason. look, these young people for the first time in the modern history of america are looking at a situation where they may have a lower standard of living than their parents while almost all new income and wealth is going to the top 1%. they're smart. n they see that. they want to see an economy that works for all, not just the billionaire class. >> so bill clinton said that, you know, you're addressing these issues by giving emotionally satisfying promises to people. echoing other claims that some of your promises are fantastical and they actually can't ever be carried out. i asked senator tom harkin in iowa, what was hillary clinton's message? the first thing he said to me was that she can win. and insinuating you're unelectable. given these claims from the opposing campaign, could you please respond? are you electable? >> sure. let me respond in two ways. tell me why it is utopian, tell me why it is impractical that
the united states do what every other major country on earth is doing, guaranteeing health care to all people. we're the odd guys out. number two, tell me why it is impractical to say that with massive wealth and income inequality, the rich and large corporations should start paying their fair share of taxes. why is it impractical to say that when our infrastructure is crumbling, we should rebuild our infrastructure and create 13 million jobs? i don't think these ideas are impactical. what they are is saying, yeah, to make these kinds of changes, we are going to have to stand up to wall street, to corporate america, to the large campaign donors who are not particularly concerned about the needs of the middle class. i think the american people are ready to do that. in terms of electability, let me say two things. number one, look at the polls. polls go up and down, i know it. but if you compare bernie sanders versus hillary clinton in opposition to donald trump in
most of the national polls, i'm doing better. in battleground states like iowa, new hampshire, and wisconsin, i'm doing better. most importantly, democrats win when there is a large voter turnout. republicans win when there's a low voter turnout. i believe that our campaign is creating the kind of excitement among working people, among young people, to create that large voter turnout that enables us to win up and down the line. >> and those young voters could prove key for sanders, as he plots his path forward. looking ahead to the new hampshire primary here on tuesday and beyond that. this is a large group of potential voters. there are more than 80 million millennials in the united states, and every day nearly 12,000 americans turn 18. joining me now is the political and field director of rock the vote, sarah adello. the largest nonprofit and nonpartisan organization in the country trying to drive youth to the polls. let me ask you first about bernie sanders. over the weekend, he was out
there with vampire weekend, one of my favorite bands. i know i'm not the demographic here, but what is the appeal? he was millennials. what's the appeal? >> i think there's a few things happening with a candidate like bernie sanders. he's talking about the economy time and again. if you look at polling of young people, five years to now, the number one issue is always the economy. why? because young people have really high rates of unemployment, higher rates of poverty, their wages are stagnant. they have student debt. so you know, bernie sanders talking about these issues, this number one issue for young people is resonating. people want a better life for themselves and their families. looks like it's working so far. >> let's talk about new hampshire a little bit, and look at the numbers. back in 2012, in the state's republican primary, 12% of the voters were between the ages of 18 and 29. 12%. in the last democratic primary in new hampshire here in 2008,
18% of the voters were 18 to 29. i mean, i guess you could look at it glass half full, glass half empty. those are decent numbers but not maybe as good as they could be. what's going to happen this time? >> right now, if you look at what happened in iowa, you had more young republicans turn out than ever previously in a caucus. you still had really solid numbers of young democrats that were caucusing as well. young people are excited about this election. i think question is, are candidates across the political spectrum reaching out to them and talking about the issues that are important to them. they'll turn out, but we need candidates engaging with nem. >> what do you do to try to get people to come out in a nonpartisan way? what are you doing on the ground here in new hampshire? >> we're looking to always partner with organizations to meet young people where they are. we have partners and trying to do a lot of outreach via radio to meet young people who maybe are involved in different college campus environments, for example. we have our website, rockthevote.com where we're
doing online voter registration. we launched a big partnership today, corporate civic responsibility partnership, to make sure that corporations that young people are engaging with, whether it's things like twitter or nielsen, are actively trying to make sure young people are registered and voting. so from nonprofit partners to corporate partners, we're always trying to reach out, to reach young people where they are to make sure they're excited about participating in this election. >> sarah, with rock the street, thanks for being with us. >> thank you so much. >> we still have a lot of ground to cover before the general election. but already, the republican candidates are taking their shots at hillary clinton. perhaps none more vocally than donald trump. >> hillary is the worst. look, easily, she's the worst secretary of state in the history of our country. >> by the way, i love the concept. i love, love, love having a woman president. can't be her. she's horrible. she's horrible. >> i will demand an apology from
hillary, okay? you can be the messenger. i will demand an apology from hillary. she should apologize. she lies about e-mails. she lies about whitewater, she lies about everything. she will be a disaster as president of the united states. >> for her part, clinton has tried not to react too much to trump's attacks directly, but this week, politico reports she's already plotting how she will go after trump and how her top officials are accelerating plans to take him on, and politico's glenn thrush wrote that article. here he's here with me. she has been staying sort of above the fray. she keeps saying i'm not going to go there. he can say all he wants, make comments about me, but i'm not going to go there. is she just waiting for the right time to go at him? >> it is funny. you know, donald trump is actually copying marco rubio here, which is an interesting shift in the dynamic. in iowa, rubio really rose on the strength of these really direct, pointed attacks against
hillary clinton. he started saying she was disqualified because of the e-mail stuff. my reporting showed that late last year, the clinton campaign and the dnc spent about $170,000, gave it to david brock, her hitman, research director, who is outside of the campaign, to put together a buck on trump. the attacks on trump by the clinton folks will be across the board, but a lot of it will be a lot of the mitt romney type stuff. how did his business hurt little people. >> a briefing book. it exists. >> it's currently being compiled. >> you write that the clinton campaign found in november a subsidiary of the democratic national committee paid american bridge $144,000 for research services. that was devoted almost entirely to building a trump book, and other clips that could be used for future attacks. this has been going on for a while. >> by the way, can you imagine how big a job that is? the trump book will be as big as the trump tower, right? >> he's got a long history.
>> you have to cherry pick what they're going to find. in the course of writing the article, i got a lot of e-mails from people and phone calls saying different ways to attack him. attacking him on business might not be the way to go. i think the problem with attacking trump if you're the clinton folks is he's a lot nastier than she is and she doesn't like engaging in those attacks. >> the favorability, trump is seen as unfavably by most americans, but clinton favorability isn't much better. i think we can throw it up on the screen. 42% have a favorable view of clinton. 51% unfavorable. 34% with an favorable view of trump, 58% unfavorablunfavorabl. will her ratings go down further if she goes on the attack? is that the danger for her? >> i don't think so. i think those numbers are a little deceiving. she has a hard ceiling in terms of support, and trump is
starting to begin to lose altitude. everything has been thrown out the window now. if i suspect a lot of people are going to start in the republican primary are going to start going after trump heavier. when rubio starts to train his fire on trump, his negatives are going to go up. i would give her a slight advantage. you're right, her negatives are off the chart, too. >> how long does she wait before deploying this? is she holding her fire for now, and what triggers this book? >> that's the interesting thing about the piece. there was a feeling they're waiting too long. these sorts of attacks you're seeing them making are hurting her against bernie sanders. the real strategists on the campaign are bill and hillary clinton. bill clinton along with john podesta have been very frustrated, i'm told, that they didn't hit sanders earlier, and they're the force behind pushing the trump attack earlier. >> bill clinton was at an event last night, and andrea mitchell
talked to him, and he got more aggressive on bernie sanders. >> kudos to andrea who was up for like 48 hours. >> always. >> i think he will be the tip of the spear against this. and remember, the minute bill clinton took the trail in december, donald trump started in with all the 1990s allegations about abuse. >> yeah. glen, great to see you. thanks for being here. politico's glen thrush. a live look where hillary clinton is about to hold a get out the vote rally in derry. that event and much more live from manchester, new hampshire, when we come back.
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he's hoping it catapult him to a strong showing next week. let's bring in john sununu. new hampshire chairman for the john kasich campaign. nice to see you. >> great to be here. thank you. >> let me start by asking you about one of your republican colleagues, rand paul, deciding today he's going to be suspending his campaign. i know that john kasich talked with our kelly o'donnell about that. where does that leave the race? >> rand had a smaller polling number than most of the other candidates, but they're great supporters. they're enthusiastic. i talked to a couple today. one of the things about john kasich they love is the fact that he has the skills. he's got the leadership ability to rein in our fiscal spending, to cut taxes, balance a budget, get us back on the right track financially and economically, and rand's a great fiscal conservative. his supporters understand the importance of that fiscal
conservatism, that's what john kasich has brought to the race from day one. >> there was an editorial in the columbus dispatch the other day. your hometown ohio newspaper, saying new hampshire is do or die for governor kasich. do you agree? >> well, i think that's newspaper headline writer getting a little bit flamboyant. is it important? sure. look, it's do or die for many if not all of these candidates. a poor showing here makes it really difficult to move on. if donald trump fails to win iowa, fails to win new hampsh e hampshire, his campaign is probably over. there are other candidates, john kasich among them, that a strong showing, second or third place, will really catapult them further to national prominent. john kasich got into the race later. people didn't think he would be able to raise the finances, get on the debate stage, but his record in ohio, the fact that he knows how to get this job done, doesn't need on the job
training, and nobody has the fiscal credentials of cutting taxes and balancing budgets that he has, that has set him apart and put him in a second-place position going into the final week here in new hampshire. >> let me ask this. marco rubio has gotten a bump and momentum out of iowa, his third-place finish. how do you compete, if you're in the same lane, so to speak, in the establishment lane, how does john kasich win over voters who might be thinking about marco rubio? >> sure, we'll see what iowa does to the numbers in new hampshire. it rarely has a very big impact. the second thing i would offer as an observation is you may think there's an establishment lane and an anti-establishment lane. john kasich has said time and again, maybe establishment, anti-establishment, but also a john kasich lane. he has incredibly broad support and appeal across the entire republican electorate. because of the fiscal record i
talked about. that's what people at the end of the day are focused on. job creation, the insecurity created by stagnant wages, and the fact that we've got $19 trillion in debt hanging over our heads. these are things john kasich knows how to fix. he's got a vision for balancing the budget and cutting taxes and taking power and money out of washington, and giving it back to the states, cities, and towns. that resonates across the entire republican spectrum. so look, that's how you build a coalition that succeeds in new hampshire and i think if you're worrying about a candidate of the day, then you're making a mistake, because a couple months ago, the candidate of the day was ben carson. then it was carly fiorina, and then it was chris christie. all the while, john kasich has focused on that economic message of revitalizing america's strength and economy, and he's risen steadily in the polls here in new hampshire, and i think that's a great sign. the last thing i would offer is that it's been done on a
campaign town to town, person to person, over 100 town hall meetings here in new hampshire where he listens, answers questions, and voters walk out with a great feeling about his positive, optimistic vision of getting the country back on track. >> senator, i can't let you go without asking you about one last thing. a amcampaign promise where he said he would reunite pink floyd if he became president of the united states. it's a great promise. >> hey, you know, you have to shoot for the moon. you know, i know david gilmore and roger waters are not the best of friends, but if you don't have vision -- >> that's putting it mildly. >> if you don't have vision, you can't lead. john kasich has vision. no one can deny that. >> all right. former senator john sununu, great to see you. thank you. tomorrow night, hillary clinton and bernie sanders, just to remind you one more time, are going to go one-on-one in the msnbc democratic debate.
it's all come together. chuck todd, rachel maddow, will moderate the debate from the university of new hampshire durham, thursday, 9:00 p.m. eastern, 6:00 p.m. pacific, right here on msnbc. hope you'll tune in for that. a live look at henniker, new hampshire, where ted cruz is on stage for a town hall. let's listen in. >> saw a former governor of california coming to all the media saying this guy can't win. with all of the media saying this guy is too far to the right. he's too conservative. and besides, the media told new hampshire, he's 15 to 20 points behind in the polls. and yet, they took a look at the candidates. examined their records, and said we're tired of candidates who haven't walked the walk.
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the latest poll numbers show an uphill battle for hillary clinton in new hampshire. after claimingvictsry in the iowa caucuses, the democratic front-runner is holding a get out the vote event in derry, new hampshire, just six days to go before the state's primary here. the latest poll shows clinton has her work cut out for her. she's trailing bernie sanders here by 29 points. joining me now is senior spokesperson for the hillary clinton campaign, karen finney. nice to see you. >> great to see you, kate. >> so tell me about the strategy now. here we are, one day after getting back from iowa. focusing in on new hampshire. the secretary has said she's not giving up on the state despite the poll numbers we're talking about. how do you win it? >> you know, new hampshire obviously has a special place in hillary's heart, and the way you win it is the same way we won iowa.
that is to go out, like she's doing today. she's got, i think it's three events today. in addition to a town hall tonight. and your debate tomorrow night. and you, you know, make your case to the voters. i mean, hillary wants this to be a contest of ideas. she and senator sanders certainly, there are differences, and it's important to talk about the differences, but the values we share as democrats and progressives are much closer than what the republicans are offering. so part of it is reminding people what's at stake in this election, what the republicans want to do. and they certainly help us a little bit with that as they're out there talking about what they would do. and then also talk about how to get it done. you know, one of the things that we have seen, and i think we saw, frankly, in iowa, is that people, it resonates with people, this idea that we have big things left to do in terms of getting to universal coverage, when we talk about things like equal pay. so as we look to do those
things, how are we going to get them done? people trust hillary to be the person who can get it done. >> last september, we were looking up some of the quotes from hillary clinton. she said she gets accused of being a moderate and a centrist. this was last fall. now she's calling herself a progressive. it seems like it's on purpose. which one is she? >> well, she's a progressive, as she has said, who likes to get things done. i guess it's interesting because i think some of the issues that she's talking about, i remember back in the '90s when i first started working for her, and she had already been working on issues around children and families for years. when she was talking about, in the '90s, when people were talking about things like equal pay, that was considered a pretty lefty idea. it's still a progressive idea because we know the republicans absolutely oppose it. but i think more of a mainstream of americans actually agree with it. so look, she is a progressive who has fought for progressive values her whole life, when it comes to protecting a woman's right to choose and protecting
women's rights to make our own decision about our bodies, when it talks about the voting rights act and the things we know need to get done to protect the voting rights act now that the supreme court has gutted it. these are big things. these are big progressive goals. and we need a fighter. that's what she's going to be talking about. >> our entrance poll from monday's caucuses showed bernie sanders had this huge lead among young voters. 70-point lead among voters 17 to 29. if hillary clinton becomes the eventual nominee and is going into a general election, how worried are you those folks just don't show up, the young people don't show up, because they were sanders fans? >> look, here's what i hope. certainly, we're very pleased that hillary, if you take a look at that obama coalition. hillary has strength with women, with african-americans and latinos. obviously, we want to bring in young people. i have been getting a lot of traffic on my personal twitter feed from young women saying,
hey, the media is not covering our support for hillary. what do we do about it? so i think there is support for hillary among young people, but to your question, we'll keep fighting for their votes. as hillary has said, we're not taking anything for granted. and part of what we will do is remind young people, and really, college aged people and young kids have the most at stake in this election because we're talking about their future. when we talk about things like climate change and talk about women's rights and we talk about health care, we know for a fact that the republicans want to strip away all of that. immigration reform, raising incomes. they want to go back to trickle-down economics. college affordability being another big issue. so we know the republicans don't want to do that either. a lot of it will be a matter of essentially what we're doing now, but certainly i think the contrast will be even sharper to remind people, here's what's at stake in this election and here's what's at stake for your future. these are the things that hillary wants to do to fight to protect those things. >> karen finney with the clinton
campaign, thanks so much. a reminder, hillary clinton, bernie sanders, will face off one-on-one for the first time just the two of them on stage, head-to-head in their one and only debate before the new hampshire primary, right here, tomorrow night. you're not going to want to miss this. tomorrow night, 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. 6:00 pacific time. up next, another gop candidate speaking with nbc news from new hampshire. senator marco rubio on his plan to use his momentum to capitalize in new hampshire. itco because you could save hundreds on car insurance. ah, perfect. valet parking. evening, sir. hello! here's the keys. and, uh, go easy on my ride, mate. hm, wouldn't mind some of that beef wellington... to see how much you could save on car insurance, go to geico.com. ah! (car alarm sounds) it's ok!
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>> do you worry this could be a repeat of history the way obama upset her last time around? >> this is very different. it's very different. he was new, different. and there was almost no difference between them on the issues. there are dramatic differences here. >> you don't think bernie sanders is barack obama? >> no, no. no, i don't. barack obama is not bernie sanders. let's not play cheap games here. >> let's not try to play games here. >> you have been there, seen it. that's why we're laughing, because we both covered the clinton s for so many years. >> i used to be at a competing network. we used to try to get in at the same time. >> i guess it was an even match, but you know how tough it is. >> he's saying something there that he -- he's going a little further, wouldn't you say, than he has been? >> in fact, in the other moment, he was, i think, really trying to go after bernie sanders. i was asking why are young people flocking to bernie
sanders and not hillary clinton. 84-14. this is the big entrance poll revelation. we saw it on the road, but it was so dramatic in the iowa results. this is what he had to say. >> why are young voters going for sanders? do you understand what the dynamic is in. >> absolutely. system is rigged against you. vote for me. i'll break out the big banks, tax the billionaires and give you free college, cut the cost of health care. end of story. >> so, he's basically characterizing what bernie sanders is saying in a short-handed way and saying, their view is that these are easy slogans. they're sound bites, but that they are not backed up by facts. they're almost saying going back all the way to walter mondale in that primary, where's the beef? >> easy to make promises, but you can't actually do the things. >> the fact is their campaign has to fault itself, and they're
having crisis meetings over this, as to why they have not been able to penetrate that, why they have not been able to do what they claim at least and show his solutions are easy, but you know, where are the facts to back it up? >> you and i both remember in 2008, i think there was a moment where they said we're going to unleash bill clinton. maybe that's not the word they used, but we're going to let him go, go after barack obama. didn't work out so great. will they allow him to kind of make -- be the attack dog? >> well, he has to be the validator for her. that he's done very well. he comes before these audiences and it's very effective, even when his speech is a little rambling sometimes. he says i was with her -- i have been with her all along. i can tell you she has been for children, for families, for women. you know, her whole life. he's great at that. he said she has more experience than anyone who has ever run for president, other than an incumbent president. he's great at that. what he doesn't do is modulate
the attack things so well. he's going to south carolina tonight. that's going to be a big test. they are really seeing south carolina and the other states, which unlike iowa, new hampshire, have larger minority populations. 65% of the vote there is african-american. and she has to do well with democratic primary votes. >> those are must-wins. >> must' wins. the last time he did that, he was off message, and that's when he was accused of being insensitive, being racially insensitive. jim cliborn and other powerful leaders turned and endorsed obama, and the rest is history. >> great to see you in person. nice to be up here in new hampshi hampshire. msnbc is home to the only one-on-one debate before the new hampshire debate. hillary clinton and bernie sanders facing off, head to head. that's going to be tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. eastern, 6:00 pacific, right here on msnbc. the place for politics. , "day to feel alive"♪
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good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall. we're live in new hampshire where tomorrow night, bernie sanders and hillary clinton will face off in the only debate before the primary. and that will air right here on msnbc. but let me get you caught up on what's happening this morning. most of the presidential candidates are in the state ahead of next week's primary. the one big name is notably missing this morning. we're going to tell you who and why they're missing. but first, take a look. hillary clinton will be holding an event in derry.
it is just one of well over a dozen campaign events being held across this state today. this as we're seeing another shake-up on the republican side. rand paul has just announced that he is dropping out of the race. we don't know if that's a big surprise, but we'll talk about it. the other candidates are reacting to the news. we have it all covered for you from new hampshire with our team in place. several cities, kristen welker is in derry with the clinton campaign. alex seitz-wald is in manchester. hallie jackson is covering ted cruz. gabe gutierrez with marco rubio, and katy tur is right here with me in manchester as well. back to the breaking news i mentioned this morning. the bernie sanders campaign, a lot of headline said there. the senator confirmed on "morning joe" he will take part in the big debate that will be hosted on msnbc tomorrow night, moderated by chuck todd and rachel maddow. listen to what he said. >> are young