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the governor. the governor, through his appointee runs that city, just like he was running the city of detroit. the responsibility for the clean water act tonight on "all in" -- >> if it's about our records, hey, i'm going to win by a landslide on tuesday. >> clinton and sanders trade jabs ahead of their first ever one-on-one debate tomorrow. >> there's nothing wrong with people who are moderates. some of my best friends are moderates. >> the attack clinton is calling a low blow. and what the sanders campaign says is insulting.
then -- >> it is no surprise that donald is throwing yet another temper tantrum, or if you like, yet another trumper tantrum. >> will donald trump actually sue ted cruz? >> will you file a formal complaint? >> i probably will, yeah. no, what he did is unthinkable. plus, we'll look at the recently departed -- >> today i will suspend my campaign for the presidency. >> -- and those desperately trying to stay in the race. >> to get back in the business of creating a more peaceful world. please clap. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from manchester, hp hn. we are in the heart of it. i am chris hayes. the once fairly polite contest for the democratic nomination is now an all-out high-stakes brawl, a tone of attacks today between hillary clinton and bernie sanders getting very, very heated. that comes on the eve of, what, 24 hours from now will be the very first head-to-head debate of the entire 2016 cycle.
moderated by my colleagues rachel maddow and chuck todd, not far from here at the university of new hampshire. and as the two democratic candidates prepare to face off for the first time since the iowa caucuses, and since martin o'malley suspended his campaign, a fiery back and forth has broken out over who deserves to be called the real progressive in the race. while clinton is still the favorite to win the nomination, after her narrow victory in iowa, new hampshire looks like sanders' game to lose at this point. he's ahead by more than 17 points in the "real clear politics" polling average, led every poll in the granite state for the last month. it's a sign of the shifting power dynamics in the race. but today the sanders campaign finally got something it's been pleading for, for once, more official debates added to the schedule after clinton seeking to make up her new hampshire deficit agreed to tomorrow night's debate. sanders refused to commit until further matchups were scheduled late in the spring an indication his campaign plans to keep fighting until the end of primary season.
today after resisting pressure for months, the dnc approved three additional debates after tomorrow night's here in new hampshire including one next month in flint, michigan, the site of the lead poisoning crisis. at a press conference this evening, sanders said there's still room to negotiate further. >> they still do not want a debate in new york city and that's hard for me to understand. i'm proud and delighted to debate in vermont any time the secretary would like to do that. but i don't know why she doesn't want to debate in the state that she represented. in any case, i will be there tomorrow night. >> in the homestretch lead-up to tuesday's primary, hillary clinton is now attempting a difficult dance managing expectations for her performance while simultaneously conveying how much she needs new hampshire. it's a state, of course, that holds special significance for both clintons. the site of bill clinton's surprise second-place finish in 1992, and of hillary clinton's upset of barack obama in 2008 after finishing third in iowa.
while sanders didn't have any public campaign events on his schedule today, by this hour, clinton has already attended three different get out the vote events if three locations around the state. starting last night according to buzzfeed, 150 staffers from clinton campaign headquarters in brooklyn are making the five-hour drive up to new hampshire to lend a hand. clinton has been arguing the deck in new hampshire is stacked against her and in favor of her opponent. >> a lot of political pundits have been opining, as political pundits do, that i should have just skipped coming to new hampshire. their argument is, look, you're behind here. i am. you're in your opponent's backyard. new hampshire always favors neighbors, which i think is neighborly. [ laughter ] and, you know, maybe you should have just moved on to some of these other states where everybody says you've got big leads and all of that.
i have to tell you, i just could not ever skip new hampshire. >> you know the race is heating up when the sanders campaign puts out a statement rebutting clinton's spin, "the people of new hampshire will go to the polls tuesday and vote for the candidate they will believe fight for them to repeatedly suggest otherwise is an insult to voters in the granite state." the latest back and forth between the campaigns is over the newly popular progressive label on whether hillary clinton has earned it. it all started with a question to bernie sanders yesterday from msnbc's own kasie hunt. >> hillary clinton has called herself a progressive with a plan. do you think hillary clinton is a progressive? >> some days, yes. except when she announces that she is a proud moderate. then i guess she's not a progressive. >> sanders was referring to remarks clinton made at a campaign event in september, part of her argument for being able to get things done. >> you know, i get accused of
being kind of moderate and center, i plead guilty. i think sometimes it's important when you're in the elected arena, you try to figure out how do you bring people together to get something done? >> today speaking at a campaign stop in southern new hampshire, clinton sounded a bit defensive about sanders' comments about her own record. >> i was a little disappointed, to be honest, yesterday. it was kind of a low blow when senator sanders said in response to a question, well, you know, maybe she's a progressive on, you know, some days. i think it was a good day for progressives when i helped to get 8 million kids health care under the children's health insurance program. >> after unleashing a tweet storm this afternoon about what it means to be progressive, sapders told reporters he stands by what he says. >> there's nothing wrong with people who are moderates. some of my best friends are moderates. but you -- you can't go around saying i'm a progressive and
then say, you know, i'm accused of being a moderate and i plead guilty. >> i'm joined now by todd divine, senior adviser to the sanders campaign and tad, in the words of will ferrell in "anchorman" that really escalated quickly today. things seemed to go zero to 60. was this a strategic choice or did you guys get caught up in what felt like a twitter fight between two people as opposed to two people running for president? >> well, chris, the clinton campaign and hillary clinton want to have a fight of who's the most progressive i suppose we'll be happy to discuss that for the next few days. she said, as your clip just showed, that she pleads guilty to being moderate in center and now she's telling everybody she's very progressive. i mean, sure, we can have a back and forth on that but the truth is what bernie sanders wants to talk about is the thing he's been talking about since the beginning of this campaign, the economy of america is rigged. it's sending almost all the new wealth to the top. it's held in place by a corrupt system of campaign finance. so if we can just talk about that every day, we'll be very
happy. >> let me ask you this. bernie sanders' official account today said you can be a moderate or progressive, you can't be both. he also talked about the progressives he knows oppose tpp, the big trade deal, trans-pacific partnership. >> right. >> is barack obama, in your campaign's view, in the center's view, is barack obama a moderate or a progressive? >> listen, i think what the president has done is a great example of progressive leadership. when he came into office this country was hemorrhaging jobs, 800,000 jobs a month. we were engaged in two wars, by the way, both he and the iraq war in particular, that both he and bernie sanders opposed. okay? and, you know, so i would say president obama has absolutely attempted to assert progressive leadership, but we've got to put it in the context of the circumstances that he found himself when he came in office. the truth is that the next president can build on the record of achievement of president obama and vice president biden who took us from the depths of a second great depression and has put the economy on the right course.
the question is, do we want bold, progressive leadership that's ready to take on the challenges of our time? ready to fulfill the unfinished agenda of franklin roosevelt? that's what bernie sanders is prosing to do and that's the kind of leadership he'll provide. >> but your campaign today engaged in this sort of definitional fight which i think is an interesting one and worthwhile one. >> sure. >> basically saying you can be one or the other. some of the things that you are saying about hillary clinton that make her not a progressive, whether it's supporting the wall street bailout, or supporting regime change in libya or the trans-pacific partnership, those are also all positions the president shares as well. is that a problem for you to be essentially criticiing the president as well? >> you know, we're not running against president obama. we're running against hillary clinton. and hillary clinton one day wants to say she's a moderate and a centrist and then the next day wants to say she's a progressive. i guess it depends whether she's in ohio or she's in new hampshire. i mean, the truth is, you know, that's where our campaign is focused about hillary clinton, about her positions on issues.
for example, if you want to be a progressive, you should be in favor of breaking up the big banks. okay? that is a progressive economic position. if you want to be a progressive, you should be like president obama and bernie sanders opposed to the death penalty. okay? that's a progressive position. so, listen, our fight is with hillary clinton. and if she wants to have a fight over who's progressive and who's not, we're happy to have it. >> tad, i don't think president obama is opposed to the death penalty. >> okay. well, you know, well bernie sanders is, and hillary clinton supports -- >> i know. >> -- the death penalty. there's a big difference there. listen, if you can look at their records, going back now, she wants to take a look at a long record of bernie sanders and all the things he has supported in the course of his career, i think you will find it's a remarkable progressive agenda, you know, he has supported progressive policies since the time he was the mayor of burlington, vermont, and pursued him in the course of his service in 25 years in the house of
representatives and also in the united states senate. so, you know, that contrast is there, but for hillary to say that one day she's a moderate and centrist, the next day she's a progressive, i mean, i think that shows real inconsistency and it also shows that she's willing to say basically anything to anybody to win their support. >> all right. tad devine, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank withdrew. joining me now, chief strategist and pollster for the clinton campaign here in manchester. i am actually bewildered by this. it doesn't seem to me the kind of argument the clinton campaign wants to get into as is who is to the left of whom with bernie sanders. is that really the fight you want to have? >> well, i think this is about integrity, frankly, and i think bernie sanders wants to act as if he's the judge of integrity among progressives. it's pretty interesting, i heard tad talk about inconsistencies. they're being quite inconsistent right now. he's saying they're running to build on the progress president obama's made. that was a different song than sanders f was singing in 2011 when he called the president
weak, hadn't stood up to the right week and urged people to run in a primary against him. >> this is my favorite thing. the definitional point. in the graphic today tweeted today about things that may not make bernie sanders progressive, one is them is call for president obama to be prepare ed my mared, right? >> here's the bigger point. >> he didn't want a primary from the right. >> the bigger point, first of all, that may be true. the bigger point is, the issues that he wants to decide are progressive, he doesn't get to decide that. if you look at bernie sanders as well, you know, you can stand here after listening to tad, you can stand here and say, well, look, on the days that bernie sanders voted five times against the brady bill, that wasn't very progressive. when he voted against ted kennedy's immigration bill, that certainly wasn't very progressive. i think there's a host of things like that when he voted to give gun immunity to gun manufacturers from liability, that's not very progressive.
so the point here is he's making an attack on secretaries clinton, secretary clinton's progressive values and her consistency in being a progressive fighter on behalf of people and making a difference. >> do you think there's not tension saying i'm a moderate, i'm a progressive. if you can be all of those things at once, what do those words mean? >> first of all -- >> right? >> i think the points here, the labels, what they jumped on is a question she answered in a debate very specifically. what secretary clinton said at that point, i'm a progressive who likes to get things done. she said to get things done sometimes you don't get your way. maybe senator sanders hasn't noticed that. it's been tough with president obama. you have to work with moderates, have to work with conservatives. >> sure. >> she did that, by the way, to reform the care system with tom delay, one of the most conservative republicans during a terrible period in the -- >> bernie sanders would say he worked with john mccain on
passing the v.a. bill. anyone in congress worked across the aisle. my question to you -- >> that's not true. >> anyone on the democratic side -- >> secretary clinton's done it a lot more than most and a lot more than most democrats, too. >> here's the question. i mean, would you say that secretary hillary clinton, her politics, her views, her ideology to the world view is to the left of bernie sanders? >> i would say she's a progressive. i don't have to be to the left of bernie sanders to be a progressive. he's not the litmus test for who a progressive is, let's be clear about that. >> i want to be clear on what we're talking about. >> president obama for not being a progressive. >> right. >> he's promoting a book now that talks about buyer's remorse and his consultant stood up and said they're running on building on his record. come on, if they want to make it about consistency and progressive values, hillary clinton over 40 years has done one progressive thing after another. >> but she has also done things that liberals have not liked, right? i mean, voting for the iraq war, for instance. was that a progressive -- i mean, to say -- to say on some
days, the way you voted for the iraq war is not a very progressive day. >> i don't think decisions on foreign policy is where progressives come in. if bernie sanders wants a debate about foreign policy, who has a better view of the world right now in commander in chief, we'll have that debate. he's been wrong on what he laid out on how to fight isis. foreign policy experts, ten put out a letter saying what he would do would create more chaos in the region. hillary clinton has the judgment. why barack obama picked her to be his secretary of state. we'll run on those issues against them all day long. he doesn't want to talk about foreign policy in this debate, so you want to use that -- >> he does here. >> yes, he does. he wants to use a vote on a foreign policy question, 15 years ago 12 years ago, whatever the number was, that's his prerogative. which one of these two people is going to stand up for making a differences in their lives because of their progressive values? i'm glad that tad just praised president obama and if you want to go back to what president obama said about hillary clinton
just recently in an article in one of the -- i think it was in "politico," right, she is the person who knows how to take a progressive values and put them to work for people and get things done. >> here's my question to you. the closing argument in iowa, which was this ad you guys, we don't have time to sort of deal with the stuff in theory, right, on things that are never going to happen. when you're talking about hillary clinton's college plan, which i've read, right, which is not free universal tuition free, it's structured a little digit differently and bernie sanders which is free tuition. neither of those are happening with the republican house. if the argument is we don't have the free tuition one, we have the more structured one, we saw seven years of what the republicans did to barack obama. >> i think if one of those bills has a chance, it's hillary clinton's. calls on everybody to do their part. >> if you honestly think you could see republicans saying to president hillary clinton we're going to work with you on this higher ed bill?
>> of course i can. if she gets elected president which i believe she will, the republicans are going to have to come to terms with the fact that what they've been opposing and standing against the interests of working men and women and the fight she's making on their behalf, they're going to have to move somewhere in the center here to make up some ground or continue losing some of these elections. >> that's the first time i've heard the theory articulated expressly and it's an interesting one, important one. joel, great to have you here. >> great to be here, chris, thank you. still to come, a lot of show. donald trump accuses ted cruz of stealing the iowa caucuses. it's getting good over there. plus president obama checks off another first during his last year in office. where he went this afternoon and what he said. and later the post-iowa exodus continues. republican candidates, as more drop from the race. the recently departed, ahead here from new hampshire when we come back. u're young or old. no matter who you are a heart attack can happen without warning. if you've had a heart attack, a bayer aspirin regimen can help prevent another one. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin
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now know why there's not one u.s. senator that's supporting him. he works with these people. and why everybody considers him to be not a very nice person. what he did to ben carson was a disgrace. >> trump spent the day, cruz for allegedly stealing the iowa caucuses arguing the state of iowa should disqualify cruz over quote h voter fraud and suggesting he plans to file a formal complaint. >> will you file a formal complaint? you said that everybody is, but have you or will you? >> well, i probably will, yeah. no, what he did is unthinkable. he said the man has just left the race and he said it during the caucus. >> trump cited a controversial mailer from the cruz campaign that appeared to be an official document accusing iowans of, quote, voting violation as well as the cruz campaign as you just heard falsely indicating on caucus night that ben carson was dropping out of the race and that carson supporters should caucus for cruz. that is something cruz has apologized for. >> it's clear that there were
people who tried to take advantage of a situation, who tried to distort information. there's no question about that. >> campaigning in new hampshire today, cruz dismissed trump's complaints as sour grapes. >> it is no surprise that donald is throwing yet another temper tantrum or if you like, yet another trumper tantrum. it seems his reaction to everything is to throw a fit, to engage in insults and i understand that donald finds it very hard to lose. that he finds that very difficult for him. but at the end of the day, the iowa people spoke. >> joining me now, nbc news correspondent katy tur who has been covering the trump campaign this season, sam stein, senior politics editor at "the huffington post." so trump came out, everyone was like, oh, that was gracious. that was sort of surprisingly muted. and then we saw, he went on a twitter drag last night. >> this is what he does, though. he's gracious one night, he goes on the attack the next day. we've seen him be nice, seen him be mean. he goes up and down.
he's unpredictable in that way because he goes up and down. i think that donald trump doesn't like to lose. he took his personally. he's angry at ted cruz. he's angry at how ted cruz won and he's going to try to manipulate the system, the situation to benefit him by spinning the headlines. >> do you not think -- so the question about this, like, there's all this, like, obviously everyone's enjoying this. a lot of people are enjoying this because -- >> it's entertaining. >> it's entertaining. and also because, you know, he built this brand as a winner, then he lost, people are calling him a sore loser. is this strategic or is he just ticked off? >> i don't think this is strategic at all. i think the campaign -- i think he really thought he was going to win iowa. i think, you know, when i talked to sources on the ground from his campaign in iowa, they said they don't have the support from the national office, didn't have the money, didn't have enough people, couldn't go up against ted cruz. people are thinking they really pushed in the last couple weeks in iowa, because of that they didn't come in third. they were maybe at risk of
coming in third there. i think there was a real wake-up call and he's trying to figure out how it went wrong and the best way that donald trump knows how to do that at this moment is by being in the attack mode. he doesn't have a second act. >> so here's, sam, if you were to describe the way that this kind of pundit class and the media have, and the political professionals have interpreted donald trump -- >> us. >> yes, well, you. i'm an outsider. i'm not an establishment candidate. that basically it's gone from wildly undervaluing to wildly overvaluing his chances i think. >> i think that's right. >> there's no way, there's no way, it's beat trump, then a few weeks ago it was like the guy is going to get the nominee, no question. i think it swung back where people think they're watching the death spiral now but i don't buy that. >> i agree with you. i think there is the undervalue/overvalue. i think part of it is we are really obsess as a media enterprise with polling numbers and polling numbers in a primary can be wildly inconsistent. 2008 new hampshire is great example of that, assumed obama
was going to win the state based off the iowa results and of course we had the great clinton surprise. one thing that's interesting about trump right now, you know him better than anyone, i think he must realize that that loss is an existential threat to his brand. his brand was, is winning. he's a winner. for him tomiliatehumiliate, he didn't come in first, he didn't put in the resources. they're traceable. he did not spend that much money. it must be in his estimation a threat to what he's trying to project. that's why i think he's lashing out in this way because he has to reclaim that aura of i'm the big guy, i'm the center of the stage. >> needs to spin the headline. >> right. you also -- you had a great picture the other day of them passing out, trump people passing out essentially flyers to come walk and talk, do ground canvassing for donald trump, something this campaign has notdone at all. >> i got an e-mail today. they're organizing in washington, d.c., which is very strange.
i hadn't seen that e-mail. the trump campaign is now soliciting organizers in washington, d.c. >> listen, donald trump's campaign manager is from new hampshire. he is a new hampshire operative. he worked for afp up here. he, as i'm told by people who know him up here, was very good at stirring up anger and getting people to vote out of anger. that's what he has done with this campaign. >> right. >> what they said he hasn't been so good at, what they don't think he really knows how to do, maybe they'll prove everybody wrong with this next week, is the ground game. that it hasn't been as consistent here. i spoke with one gop person who said that they didn't see any evidence of the ground game from the trump campaign until this month. and in fax, those flyers i saw yesterday, that's the first time i've seen them hand that out. they say they have thousands of calls made to volunteers, say thousands of doors have been knocked on, they say they have seven phone banks right now with volunteers doing that. they say there are people coming in from missouri, from connecticut, all coming in to help get out the word for donald trump. but we haven't seen that. >> right. >> because the campaign won't let us see it.
>> here's my prediction is there is no way we get through this campaign without donald trump suing ted cruz. i'm serious. and yesterday particularly all this stuff he's been talking about how ted cruz is not actually a natural-born citizen. trump now has cause, he has injury, right? i mean -- >> the standing question. >> the standing question, like, we are going to see donald trump sue ted cruz at some point if he's losing, don't you agree? >> i don't know. >> you don't think so? >> i don't know. i don't think so. >> i am predicting that. >> i will avoid that question. i'm going to pose a question to you. i heard about why trump did poorly in iowa, could do well in new hampshire. in caucus setting you have to announce who you support. >> that's actually little misleading. >> no, no -- >> on the democratic side, yes or no. on the republican side, it's a secret ballot. that said, it's a very public environment. right? so there's this real question about, are people -- there's a question about are people telling pollsters they're voting for donald trump and they're not showing up or -- >> the reverse? >> the reverse, people don't
actually want to tell people. that is going to all play out on tuesday and we are flying blind. we have no idea -- >> up by 24 points here. >> that means nothing. if only donald trump knew a billionaire who could give a lt of money to his campaign tsh. >> push him over the edge. katy tur, sam stein, thank you both. coming up, establishment candidates or so-called establishment candidates are getting desperate as they try to claw their way to third or better. we will look at the scrum ahead. the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am. hi mom! hi! every mom is a coach... an artist... sometimes even a zoologist. every mom is a working mom... and it's working moms everywhere who inspired us to work harder. so we made our banquet meals even better. with mashed potatoes now made with real cream and chicken strips with 100% natural chicken breast. so now, there's more to love with banquet.
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of course, that's mathematically impossible for all of them to do so which makes for an interesting dynamic. each of them trying to finish ahead of the other three. today, bush took out a full-page ad in "the new hampshire union leader" with an open letter of eight of the last ten republican speakers of the floor of the house saying bush is better, not marco rubio. chris christie continued his attacks on marco rubio portraying him as a lightweight. >> the way he's been treated so far on the campaign trail by his own staff is he kind of reminds me of the boy in the bubble. you know, he never answers questions. he never holds gaggles. he's very controlled. the boy in the bubble has to get out of the bubble if you want to be president of the united states. >> rubio was asked about attacks by bush and christie. he chose to take a shot at the cruz campaign for telling voters before the iowa caucus that ben carson was dropping out. >> obviously we've all seen the reports of the rumors they spread about ben carson. we know those weren't accurate.
i thought it was unfair to ben. ultimately it goes back to what i said before, a willingness to say or do anything, in this case spread a false rumor about ben carson. >> as for john kasich, well, he's taking the politically pacifist approach. >> i don't -- not going to get into trump and this and that. i got about five more days to go and you know what, i'm not attacking anybody. i wish everybody would stop attacking everybody else and have a positive message. >> joining me now, editorial page editor for "the new hampshire union leader" which has endorsed chris christie and jennifer horn, chair of the republican party of hn hn. jennifer, let me start with you. the guiding framework that has been used i think by almost everyone covering this race is those four candidates, marco rubio, jeb bush, chris christie, and john kasich are all of whom are polling around 10 points, 9 to 11 somewhere in there, are more or less fighting for the same pool of votes of republican pray mare voters in new hampshire.
someone know who knows this party as well as anyone. >> look at the polls yesterday from the day before, 50% to 60% of our voters are still undecided. obviously that's -- >> that's a lot. >> exactly. that's a lot. that's why i always sort of caution folks when they come in and start looking at new hampshire, it is different than some other states that get a lot of political attention. so, you know, that's what this whole week is about, all those clips you just showed. this whole week is about them trying to really close the deal with all those undecided voters and the question becomes, are those voters going to kind of split between four, five, six different candidates -- >> right. >> or coalesce twheen two or three? >> is there any sense -- i think there was this -- my line about marco rubio is it's almost like watching, like the way an adult tries to will a toddler to do a difficult task is the way certain political professionals in the republican party are toward marco rubio, they keep predicting the rubio bump, he comes in third, everyone says he's the winner. there's a sense of like, okay,
let's all coalesce around this guy, pat toomey endorses him today. i think you'll probably see other big endorsements. do you think new hampshire republican voters care about that push to coalesce around rubio that's coming from some corners? >> new hampshire republican voters, no, we don't. we're very independent. candidates rarely get an iowa bump into new hampshire. it helps them down the road but not into new hampshire. ted cruz is not skipping new hampshire but not seriously contesting it. he knows he's not going to get an iowa butch and isn't going to do great in new hampshire. he doesn't need to. new hampshire voters move quickly at the end and generally move to one, maybe two candidates. so you've got four candidates, five including carly fiorina, fighting for maybe two spots to get down to south carolina. >> you endorsed chris christie. >> yes. >> you and i have talked about him on the air. i want to play you something he said today about hillary clinton. take a listen. oh.
okay. sorry. we don't have the sound. he says "you know the last person she wants to see on the stage in september, you're looking at him. you know why? she's been running away from federal prosecutors for the last six months. man, she sees a federal prosecutor on the stage, i'll beat her rear end on that stage. you know what, after i do, she'll be prerelieved because she'll just be worried i'll serve her with a subpoena." what kind of thing is that to say? >> it's a metaphor. >> you think it's appropriate? >> it's a figure of speech. people realize what he's talking about, that hillary clinton's got her own problems with the law and facing a prosecutor in a debate might be the least of her worries. >> let me ask you this, you have tangled, i think almost unidirectionally with donald trump who had nasty things to say about you which puts you in massive company. >> no one ever says nasty things about me. i don't know what you're saying. >> donald trump has had harsh words for you. can you genuinely be impartial in this process given that is. >> of course. this primary --
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americans believe that hillary clinton is dishonest. the word that they most closely associate with her is dishonest and liar. i think that is what's going to drive this election. >> do you have a stake in this democratic debate? is there a candidate you think is easier to beat? >> i think bernie sanders is not necessarily a candidate that translates very well, and i don't think democrats will allow him to be the nominee. >> well, this is -- >> i think hillary clinton is a massively overrated candidate. i think she's a bad candidate to put on the ballot. i think democrats have other candidates out there that would have been stronger against republican nominee. >> grant bosse, jennifer horn, thank you both. appreciate it. coming up, the culling of the republican field continues as rand paul becomes one of two candidates to drop out today. that's just ahead. as strong as your values. al, how you doing. hey, mr. hamilton. vo: know that together you can establish
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tonight, the once enormous republican field is looking noticeably swelter. with five days to go until new hampshire's first in the nation primary, the gop field is narrowing. moments ago, rick santorum suspended his campaign saying his talents could be better used elsewhere. >> does that mean -- >> we are suspending our campaign as of this moment. >> okay. this is the official announcement. >> we decided i think we can be better advocates in that for supporting someone who shared those values. >> santorum who won iowa last time around has struggled the
entire way through this cycle. once showing up to an event in iowa finding no one there and sitting down to order a milkshake. former senator from pennsylvania never made it onto the main stage debate and finished in iowa with just under 2,000 total votes or 1%. santorum becomes the second republican in just the last 12 hours to drop out. the third this week alone. this morning, rand paul who finished with 5% of the vote in iowa also announced he, too, would suspend his candidacy for the presidency. paul who is low on cash and now facing a democratic challenge to his senate seat in kentucky, which he's up for this year, said he will be focusing on that senate seat race. paul was once hailed by "time" magazine as the most interesting man in politics and believed by many to be the candidate to bring the libertarian movement into the mainstream of the republican party building on his father's coalition. that's not quite what happened. we'll ask what doomed the rand paul candidacy and get an answer from the one person in the best position to answer it, next.
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>> joining me now, david weigel who covers national politics for the "washington post." i first met you nine years ago and you were the guy covering rand paul, libertarian movement, ron paul revolution. you covered ron paul and rand paul for nine years. why did this not work out? >> think a place that sells really good sandwiches and tries to sell chinese food and pasta. he's trying to be too many people. he didn't have the interest in carrying that off. he thought he could add to his father's coalition. what he learned very wickly and couldn't really undo, if you try to add or change anything to the pure libertarian message, people bolt and don't trust you anymore. >> right, because ron paul actually did much better. he had his bloc, 15% to 20% of the electrate he superserved. rand came from that world obviously and thought he could
give a libertarianism light that didn't work. >> he wasn't the america first alternate right person that ron paul was. every time he ran, had pat buchanan-ish views on race in the past and didn't hurt him when it came to foreign policy. people who gravitated more two donald trump, no means a libertarian. turned out had come to ron paul for tribal, patriotic reasons and didn't see it in rand. >> rand paul ditched the ethno nationalism, the term i've been using for white supremacy, lost people to donald trump who doesn't have a libertarian bone in his body but carried the mantle of that ethno nationalism. >> rand was trying to prove a broader libertarian message would draw in more people and it just didn't. there are lots of reasons why it didn't happen with the competition he had in this race.
but i think by going to the senate, he's going to be an influential figure in a way that his father really couldn't. his father built a movement that you could tell wanted to reach out and become a bit more moderate, a bit more friendly on criminal rights and things like that. the younger generations that worked for ron and went to rand i think are going to remain important in a way this presidential campaign did not. >> he also -- it strikes me also it's about how much ideology really matters to -- >> right. >> -- excuse me, to republican primary voters. i mean, it proves to be maybe not as important as it does to a true believer like a kind of paul-like disciple. >> it does. and i thought one turning point for rand was he signed tom cotton's letter saying that the iran deal -- saying to iran that it turns out there's a senate that might block this deal, and i saw when rand came to new hampshire right after that down the road a mile away, people really didn't like that. people wanted him to be anti-war. he wouldn't. some of them went to bernie sanders instead of him. >> dave weigel.
thank you for being here in man chester, new hampshire. that does it for us on "all in" this evening live from manchester, new hampshire. the "rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, chris, from across the state. thank you, my friend. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. we are also live from new hampshire tonight. we're in durham, new hampshire, at the site of tomorrow night's big democratic debate. the first one-on-one face-off between bernie sanders and hillary clinton. which is going to be here live starting at exactly thistime tomorrow night on msnbc. we're going to have more details on that coming up in tonight's show. if you're thinking didn't rachel say this time last night she didn't know if it was happening? that's true. it's happening. i've got the details for you ahead. but before we get to those details, i do actually have legit breaking news hot off the presses. what i have in my hot little hand here is the first, the first new national poll in the presidential race since the