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a big game without backing it up. i think the next president needs to be a lot quieter and send a signal that we're prepared to act in the national security interests of this country. to get back in the business of creating a more peaceful world. please clap. [ laughter ] ings i don't know, honestly that is one of the saddest things i've ever seen. it's like peter pan trying to save tinker bell, you know? >> oh, my gosh. please clap. it really was supposed to work. it was supposed to be cute. it would have worked in a different time. >> well, it -- >> cute self-deprecating humor. >> it was good self-deprecating humor and it was a great answer and i -- jeb has a very dry sense of humor which translates much better when you're 30 points ahead.
>> exactly. >> it's the truth. you're 30 points ahead, everybody's like "that guy is cool." >> "that guy is funny." >> but you're called the low-energy candidate -- >> it's thursday, february 4, with us on set in washington -- >> by the way, i hear little birdies tell me that bush is -- they're feeling pretty good. moving a little bit in new hampshire. >> abc news political commentator and npr senior analyst cokie roberts is with us. nbc analyst michael steele, senior national correspondent for bloomberg business week josh green. republican pollster and columnist in at the washington examiner kristin soltis anderson and in manchester, new hampshire, managing editor of bloomberg politics, mark halperin along with willie geist in new york. a lot to talk about this morning. we'll start with the democrats. >> let's do that. first i want to talk briefly with cokie about the republicans because -- [ laughter ] >> now i know where you're going to go. >> as i was watching the
breathless press coverage all day from the second trump loss through yesterday it's breathless. and there was a narrative that was breathless for five months which was trump can't win. then it was breathless for a month, oh, my god, trump's going to win. now for the last three days iowa does what iowa always does, changes the narrative and then the press goes running this way to the complete opposite direction and then the new hampshire voters push him back the other way. it happened in '80 with reagan. it was all over. reagan loses iowa, bushes big mo. ronald reagan -- this is what the "chicago tribune" wrote with headline after iowa. "reagan's dominance weakened." reagan then went on a couple days later and destroyed bush. and the same thing happened with bush in '88. >> and in between he paid for the microphone. that was a great moment in new hampshire. >> so much can change.
>> but there was barbara bush and she is in new hampshire again. >> exactly! oh, my gosh. [ laughter ] >> you have to give her credit. >> bringing in the big guns. >> we do go with the news of the day, that's our job. and it's true that we get breathless, but on the other hand, this is a long campaign. you don't want us to be, you know, just saying it's boring all the way through. >> no, no. >> you want to go with the news and the news out of iowa always does sort of surprise us and then new hampshire does new hampshire. >> everybody runs in different directions and then it surprises us differently. >> then we go to south carolina and something else all together. >> exactly. >> we'll see what happens. hillary clinton and bernie sanders will be meeting on a debate stage tonight in new hampshire right here on msnbc and last night they gave voters a preview of a head-on collision to come. the two democratic candidates appeared separately at a presidential town hall event, trading blows over who best
embodies progressive values. the back-and-forth got started earlier this week when sanders said clinton is only progressive some days and last night he continued that line of attack, using a comment clinton made back in september to support his argument. here's that remark, followed by the two candidates last night. >> you know, i get accused of being kind of moderate and center. i plead guilty. i think sometimes it's important when you here in the elected arena, you try to figure out how do you bring people together to get something done? >> i don't know the context of it, but secretary clinton said "some people call me --" i'm paraphrasing. some people call me a moderate and i proudly say that i am a moderate. that's what she said. so all i say, you can't say you're a moderate on one day and be a progressive on the other day. i do not know any progressive who has a super pac and takes $15 million from wall street.
[ applause ] that's just not progressive. >> so clinton was also forced to react to bernie sanders' criticism of the large speaking fees she's received over the years and here's how she responded to the question about being paid $675,000 by goldman sachs for three speeches. >> look, i made speeches to lots of groups. i told them what i thought. i answered questions. >> but did you have to be paid $675,000? >> well, i don't know, that's what they offered so -- [ laughter ] every secretary of state-tha th know has done that. >> once they're running for office -- >> to be honest, i wasn't committed to running, i didn't know whether i would or not. >> you didn't think you were going to run for president? >> i didn't. you know, when i was secretary of state several times i said "i think i'm done." and, you know, so many people came to me, started talking to me, the circumstances, the
concerns i had about the republicans taking back the white house because i think that wrecked what we achieved in the '90s. but anybody -- anybody who knows me who thinks that they can influence me, name anything they've influenced me on. just name one thing. >> so to be clear, that's not something you regret? those three speeches? that money? >> no, because i don't feel that i pay any price for it and i'm clear about what i will do and they're on notice. >> well, i just don't know where to begin, mark halperin. we can start with her suggesting she didn't think she was going to run for president and secondly saying she can get $675,000 because everybody is doing it as far as secretary of states go. she said name one thing anybody has bought with money paying me, george stephanopoulos said access. he was there with them and understands it is about access, especially if you're getting $675,000 from goldman sachs and hillary clinton is delivering a speech that goldman sachs
executives are saying they appreciate it. >> i think everything you said is correct but to be fair she was very good last night, that was easily her weakest moment in this forum and no matter what happens in this primary she's the overwhelming favorite. but that answer goes to, i think, the biggest contradiction in her campaign as she faces off against bernie sanders which is even as she continues to move to the left to try to keep him from having room on the left she and her supporters suggest sanders is too left wing to be elected president and that answer and all the problems she has in dealing with being more of an establishment candidate than bernie sanders revealed there and it clearly makes her uncomfortable. but i'll say again, she was very good last night, answering tough questions, tougher questions than bernie sanders got in that event. >> josh green, hillary clinton yesterday was saying that bernie sanders is engaging in personal attacks by accusing her of being a moderate.
[ laughter ] i will say that again -- >> if that's personal, i'll take it. >> hillary clinton said yesterday that bernie sanders was engaging in personal attacks by calling her a moderate. on september 10, hillary clinton in an act of political self-hatred called herself a moderate. [ laughter ] it's just -- this is one of the fantastical thing about the clintons i've never understood. we all talk about trump gets away with things, the clintons have always gotten away with things that other candidates would be called out on. >> i don't think she's getting away with anything. >> she was called out a lot. >> she got nailed on that answer. i think it shows how far left the democratic party has moved. the fact you're fighting over are you a progressive, are you a liberal, she's in a tough spot. you're never going to outliberal bernie sanders. the guy is a democratic socialist. and yet the big fight within the democratic primary has been who's more liberal, who's more anti-wall street. it puts clinton in a perennially
tough position. >> and the contradiction there, michael steel, is that they say that bernie is too liberal, but every specific issue they attack him on is when they think he's too conservative. >> right. >> whether it's on guns or other issues that they think are too conservative. >> can we just step back for a moment and just relish what we're seeing here? because, you know as a member of the republican party, to watch democrats fight over whether or not they're progressive or liberal or moderate -- >> they never say the word liberal. >> they never say the word liberal yet they've always focused this -- when it comes to republicans, they're in disarray, they're confused, they don't know who they are. well -- >> come on, that's what elections are about. people do oppose each other. they're not just all on the same page. >> let's just be honest and correct about it. so you can't look at the other side and say they're confused about who they are when you're playing out on the national stage that very same confusion
and your national chairman cannot distinguish between a democrat and a socialist within the party. >> except for the fact, cokie, that we've heard how far right -- i'm going to follow up on what josh said -- the media has obsessed on how far right the republican party has gone over the past five years while nobody was paying attention, the democratic party, you look at the senators, specifically if democratic party has gone just as far left and that's what we're -- >> we have ideological parties now. we're in europe. we have ideological and regional parties. >> so if you look at a mailer the clinton campaign put out yesterday, i believe, it kind of lists how many times bernie sanders failed to have president obama's back and there's a long list. >> there was one on there he didn't go to an easter egg roll. >> that bernie. >> let's move to the republican side because i've got to say the democratic debate was good last
night. but all day yesterday was pure silliness on "i'm more progressive than you." >> tonight they'll debate. tonight they'll debate. last night was a forum. tonight they'll go face to face and that will be really interesting. it will be really, really cool. >> and a lot more times they're going to go face to face. that's the other news. >> all of a sudden, golly gee. >> yesterday morning, mika, as we were leaving we saw donald trump's tweet and read it on the air. >> we were very confused. >> and i think in the words of walter cronkite, "what the hell was that?" >> it was the first of a series. >> it was the first in a series where he talked about cruz stealing the election, as is usually the case, trump says something that sounds outrageous and then everybody follows because there's a kernel of truth in there where ted cruz did engage his top supporters, you saw it play out live on twitter in realtime engaged in
dirty politics as people were going into the caucus, they lied and said that ben carson was dropping out of the race. and were saying caucus for cruz. and so you had rubio, you had carson, you had trump, you had everybody looking at really some slimy politics. >> so what we saw was just the beginning of a string of tweets. he tweeted "ted cruz didn't win iowa, he stole it, that's why the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. bad." that's where our show ended yesterday. what? >> exclamation point. >> what? and then "based on the fraud committed by senator ted cruz during the iowa caucus, either a new election should take place or cruz results nullified." early this morning, trump tweeted a photo of the voter violation mailer cruz sent iowans calling it a misdemeanor at minimum. trump kept up his attacks on cruz last night before a massive
audience of over 10,000 people in little rock, arkansas where trump was two hours late because few left before he spoke. >> actually, i think i came in first because if you take a look -- [ cheers and applause ] okay? you know. oh, that voter fraud you know? these politicians are brutal. >> first of all, over 10,000 people in arkansas, his plane had problems, had to hold in nashville. over 10,000 people wait two hours to hear him speak. he had 5,000 packed -- >> on a wednesday night. >> -- a couple nights ago while other campaigns are bragging about having 750 up in new hampshire. >> i don't know. cruz responded to trump's allegations by accusing him of having a "trumper tantrum." >> it's no surprise that donald is throwing yet another temper tantrum or, if you like, yet
another trumper tantrum. but at the end of the day, the iowa people spoke. donald trump guaranteed a victory in iowa, then he lost. i wake up everyday and laugh at the latest thing donald has tweeted because he's losing it. we need a commander-in-chief, not a twitterer in chief. we're liable to wake up one morning and donald, if he were president, would have nuked denmark. >> okey-doke! >> and marco rubio also took offense at cruz's dirty campaign tactics in iowa. >> obviously we've all seen the reports of the rumors they spread about ben carson and we know those weren't accurate. i thought it was unfair to ben. ultimately it goes back to what i said before and this is a willingness to say or do anything. in this case, spread a false rumor about ben carson. >> you know, willie, i -- when i campaigned i was aggressive and fought hard but i mean i look at certain things that other politicians do. one, lying about somebody saying they're getting out of the race
and i would -- i -- whoever spread it would be fired immediately. and that violation, that voter violation mail piece. i asked myself, what if somebody came to me -- i tried to put myself back in the position, i would literally say "what the hell's wrong with you? you're going to scare voters?" ted cruz won iowa. i'm not so sure, though, that in these last two tactics he didn't accumulate some scar tissue that's not going to isolate him from some of the voters moving forward but more importantly from everybody else in the republican field who will not endorse him now. >> well, you look at his apology, too, yesterday, which you read into it wasn't much of an apology. he said "we saw this on cnn." he said "this was a breaking news report on cnn and we circulated it to our grass-roots leaders, we wanted to keep them updated on the state of play as people went out to vote." he also said he's not going to fire anybody over this. he said "i'm not going to
scapegoat my staff." that's where he is on this issue. two things can be true. i think this was a dirty trick. the i think it was bad politics. but i also think donald doesn't need to dwell on this. at some point it looks like sour grapes when he goes on that twitter storm. feels like he should just turn to new hampshire where he's got a big lead and focus on winning there, we're not going to recount, we're not going to revote in iowa. i think he risks looking like being a sore loser there. >> kristen, obviously a lot of back-and-forth between cruz and trump. what's so fascinating is if you're donald trump, ted cruz is not your problem. ted cruz may have been your problem in your rear-view mirror in iowa, but it's marco rubio now. >> but donald trump goes for the kill. every time he's chosen one of these opponents in the republican field to go for, he has gone mercilessly until they survive no more. jeb bush, ben carson. just going and going and going. >> isn't that why rubio never talks about him?
>> i would assume rubio is not interested in getting on the wrong end of the donald trump buzz saw. >> by the way, rubio had a shot yesterday to attack him, pushed that aside and went to ted cruz. >> and i don't blame rubio in one sense and it's because it's been working well enough for rubio. he doesn't want to rock the boat. it's a risk-averse strategy. what surprises she that we were talking to donald trump on this show not three hours before the tweet storm began and it was such a radical transition. he had been saying, you know, it's hard to poll a caucus in iowa. i get why the polls may have been wrong. voter fraud was never a reason. so i wonder what happened in that intervening two hours if he realized i need to get back in the headlines, calm, sedate, good loser donald trump is not doing. >> it or he just read about it. >> calm, sedate donald trump never works. the two times he went down in the polls over the past six months were the two times he was calm and sedate for more than three or four minutes in a row.
mark halperin, on the ground, tell us about what you're hearing on the cruz voter violation card and also the ben carson lie. how much is that impacting cruz's campaign right now? >> there's a lot going on. you have six candidates who think they can finish strong enough to go forward with momentum. there's no doubt rubio, the other establishment campaigns will tell you this, marco rubio is still riding the big mo out of iowa. he's doing very energized events and only being help bid the cruz/trump fight. new hampshire voters don't care much about the fight between cruz and trump. i agree with willie that trump should probably be looking forward rather than the rear-view mirror and you have the four establishment candidates, the three other establishment candidates worried now about the fact that trump comes down a bit -- and all of them have trump coming down, that rubio may be the beneficiary and there's a real possibility if rubio finishes
first, second, or even third that christie, kasich, and butch m -- bush pay be out of luck and out of this race if they can't stop rubio. so the question of where rubio is is the biggest question in the primary right now. >> right now, we'll tell you in 40 minutes we have the latest tracking poll out of new hampshire. the umass-lowell tracking poll they've been doing everyday and we'll see where things move if donald trump takes a huge dive and if marco rubio surges in a big way. still ahead on "morning joe," republican presidential candidate chris christie joins the conversation. plus rick santorum who gave up his white house bid to back marco rubio instead. also, did president obama let progressives down? a new book claim he is did and it's now at the center of the democratic primary fight. we'll talk to the author our 8:00 hour. and we are headed to new
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sir, first of all, did donald trump lose in iowa? >> yeah, he lost in iowa. >> and so you're here thinking what? >> i see "morning joe" every morning 5:00. >> well, we appreciate you watching "morning joe," but you're here to watch donald trump because you're yet to decide whether he's your man or why are you here? >> oh, he's my man, he's my man? >> because? >> because he ain't picking somebody else's pocket and big boys ain't got him in his pocket, he's on his own, says what he thinks. >> thanks very much and thanks that viewer for the plug for our pals on "morning joe." he watches at 5:00 because, of course, that's central time. >> nice. nice. thank you, joe. >> and thanks for watching this morning. >> oh, my gosh! that was interesting what he said. >> yeah, it is, and i'm hearing
from all over the country, panic around the trump supporters hearing he could finish third or forth or fifth in new hampshire. >> trump? >> yes. >> oh, please. [ laughter ] >> "oh, please." >> that's what people are saying on the ground in new hampshire because he went to arkansas last night. whatever. we'll see. >> willie has the next item. >> all the focus seems to be trained up in new hampshire on marco rubio right now after his good showing in iowa. new jersey governor chris christie argues new hampshire will come down to chris christie and rubio. governor christie continuing to go after the senator there florida as being too scripted on the campaign trail. >> these town hall meetings run on average 40 to 45 minutes. our town hall meeting run two hours that we've answered over 1,100 questions and senator rubio barely answers any, by the way, he acts like the king of england. he has a press aide next to him to pre-select which reporters get to ask him questions.
this is a guy who's been protected and coddled his entire political career. it's time for him to come out of the bubble, the boy needs to come out of the bubble and he needs to get to work here in new hampshire. >> throughout the debates, christie has sought to frame the race has who can best take on hillary clinton in the general election and this is what he said about her yesterday. >> the last person she wants to see on that stage in september? you're looking at him. you know why? she's been running away from federal prosecutors for the last sixth months. [ laughter and applause ] she sees a federal prosecutor on the stage, i'll beat her rear end on that stage and after i do she'll be relieved because she'll be worried i was going to serve her with a subpoena. [ laughter ] it will be a are leaf just to lose the debate. >> that was governor christie talking about the general election. going back to his first attack on rubio, that there's a piece in the "new york times,"
jonathan martin and michael barber wrote it, they said the bush and christie campaigns are working together to go after marco rubio. that they're talking behind the scenes. one christie advisor said "we have similar goals. that goal is to take out marco rubio." >> wow. >> what's very interesting is when chris christie asked that question, "who does hillary clinton want to see the least on the debate stage come the fall?" we all answered in unison "marco rubio." [ laughter ] whether they are right or not, they're not sitting around, kristen, worrying about whether they get donald trump or chris christie. they're worried about marco rubio and, if he were strong, jeb bush. those are the two who line up best to win a general election if they get through a primary. >> right or wrong, people are viewing new hampshire as a place where you have to be in the top three in order to really continue and be strong. perhaps with the exception of jeb bush, as you mentioned yesterday, because south
carolina's a state where he night be uniquely strong. and i think that's why you'll see marco rubio in this abc debate coming up this weekend take the brunt of almost all of the attacks from everyone. you may have this donald trump versus ted cruz sideshow, but everyone i think is now viewing marco rubio as the guy to beat because if he continues to have momentum coming out of iowa, he becomes very hard for any of these other folks in this quote/unquote establishment plane. >> that's saturday night, that debate. and so, you know, we've had a bit of time after iowa and then tuesday. so it's a key moment. and rubio's done well in these debates so far. >> he does do well in the debates. >> the question is whether everybody beating up on him rattles him. and i suspect not. >> he executes well. >> who has gotten dumped on consistently for weeks for trying to stop marco rubio? it's jeb bush. and now suddenly the whole field, "hey, maybe that guy was on to something." >> but mark halperin, the
post-iowa spin, at least -- or the take from the media on rubio is, boy, he better be ready for the attacks because they're all going to be coming after him. they've all come after him before. i mean, i -- you'd be hard pressed to find a candidate dollar by dollar who hasn't been attacked more than rubio going into the iowa vote. so i'm not so sure there's a line of attack they have between now and next tuesday night that works because if they had that line of attack, jeb bush's operation would have had it out months ago and crammed it down iowa voters' throats. >> well, ted cruz had a lot of ads running against him and they both have escaped more than unscathed. chris christie is the one who has the best chance of doing it, i think. there's never been a presidential psych where wicycl have mattered lessment it's about candidate-on candidate action. i think the two people yet to
watch is -- >> did you just say squirmished? >> skirmish. >> are we all sarah palin now? >> we've become sarah. >> i did. i think only trump and christie are in a position to try to stop rubio from leaving here as the big story along with trump probably after the new hampshire primary. trump, again, is focused more on cruz than rubio and christie continues to bide his time and says between now and the primary he's going to take a bigger and stronger shot at marco rubio. >> i've heard about a trump/rubio ticket and that's being talked about in washington. >> interesting. >> donald trump's problem is not ted cruz. and his probably won't be ted cruz until he gets to the deep south. so if he spends another day attacking ted cruz, he's wasting valuable time. >> wasting time. >> you've already seen a preview
of what donald trump's attack on marco rubio might look like. and it's the argument that he looks like a little boy. it was something trump said a couple months ago. it was in passing. he was more focused on low energy jeb bush and what's going on with ben carson but we've seen a taste of where things will go and thus far i don't think any of rubio's opponents have gone after him with an explicit "he's completely inexperienced" kind of argument. a lot of it is maybe he's too hawkish or bad on immigration but this pure he's not experienced enough argument i don't think is -- >> well, the problem is ted cruz has the same experience so it's hard for ted cruz to go after rubio on extremes. >> but trump has the right attack. he has those zingers that get right to the heart of father in. the fact rubio looks like a little boy is a devastating way of he's young, inexperienced, obama, not big enough for the job. that's been rubio's big weakness among republicans. >> there are two things, really, that trump and others should go
after. one -- and not what chris christie says because when chris christie says, oh, sure, he can give a great speech and sure he's -- that's loser talk. that's what the clintons said about barack obama as he steam rolled over their political operation. there are two arguments. the first argue system he is the republican obama and he really is. they anointed him, "time" magazine anointed him the republican savior before he threw his first pitch. and the second argument which is a devastating argument that worked a long time ago in the state of florida had to do with him being an empty suit. and i remember florida trend had just an empty suit and it asked whether a certain senator from the state of florida was an empty suit. it was devastating and that's -- >> but empty suits get elected. >> yes, they do.
>> they do. they. do but i think joe hit on the key thing for trump and that is his focus has to be not in what's in front of him but what's behind him. because right now with marco's 3-2-1 strategy -- >> it could happen. third place in iowa, second place in new hampshire, trump has got to watch that. >> willie? >> the obvious problem with the complaint that marco rubio is the republican obama is that some of his supporters and a lot of republicans say, yeah, he is our obama, not on policy but on his youth, on his message, on the fact that he can maybe change the demographic game that republicans have struggled with. so while it may sound like an insult to people inside the party and people who support rubio, they say, yeah, he's the future. >> okay. >> if you liked the last eight years, you'll love the next eight. >> obama has -- >> seriously. seriously: >> how do you make that argument? >> i have complained for years that barack obama was sold and marketed like a bag of potato chips and when i have said it,
every republican has agreed with me and i said it was a bad move for america when they had a chance to have a more experienced candidate. even hillary clinton. so now republicans are going -- >> down that road. >> down that road to elect a guy that has been marketed like a bag of potato chips. >> how do you say our first term inexperienced u.s. senate is better than the first term inexperienced u.s. senator that we've been kicking in the tail for the last seven years for being inexperienced? >> both of whom the second they get to washington, d.c. decided they were running for president instead of deciding -- please, give me a list of accomplishments of every candidate, put it up there next to him and let's see who the emptiest suit is. >> all right, coming up next, jimmy carter with some surprising comments on the republican field. plus, the must-read opinion page, "morning joe" is back in a moment. welcome to opportunity's knocking,
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2012 iowa caucus and former presidential candidate rick santorum. rick, always great to see you here. >> thank you, joe. >> what do you list as marco rubio's top accomplishment that made you decide to endorse him? >> i would say this is a guy who's been able to number one win a tough election in florida and pull people together from a variety of different spots. this is a guy that i think can work together with people. that's the thing i like about him the most, that he's someone who brings people together and at a time with -- when there's such divisiveness in washington, i was looking for someone that can win this election and it wasn't a divider and i think that's the problem i have with everybody else in the field. >> so he can win, he's been in the senate for four years. can you name his top accomplishment in the senate working in the senate doing something that tilted your
decision to marco rubio? >> here's what i would say about that. my feeling on marco is someone who has tremendous potential, tremendous gifts. if you look at being a minority in the united states senate in four years where nothing got done it's hard to say there are accomplishments. tell me what happened during that four years that was accomplishment for anybody? it was a complete gridlock. >> wait a minute. this is -- disturbing. >> the republicans have been in the majority for the past two years. can you name one thing he's passed in the last two years? >> joe, look, republicans have been majority for one year and one month which as you know he was running for president primarily. the first four years he was in the minority and nothing got done. and by the way what happened this year under the republican he is got done? >> what did he do in florida? >> i can list things that happen but i'm not defending the congress, i'm not being difficult, just asking you to name one accomplishment that
marco rubio -- >> the problem is -- >> list one accomplishment that marco achieved. maybe a bill he wrote. maybe a moment in the committee. >> jeb bush ran florida, donald trump built a company. marco rubio -- finish the sentence. >> marco rubio was number one in the florida house which is not something that is a minor deal. he was elected by his colleagues to be speaker of the house. number two he spent four years in the united states senate being frustrated nothing got done then you can't point to him and say "nothing got done therefore he has no accomplishments." >> well maybe he was four something. >> we have a president that won't work with people and he got no cooperation at all. this is a bogus argument you have a completely feckless congress and you can't say he was there and therefore it's not his fault. >> it's not a bogus argument. don't attack me, we've been friends for a long time. >> we have. and i'm not attacking you. >> let me ask the question one
more time. list one accomplishment that marco rubio has achieved in four years in the united states senate. it doesn't even have to be a passed bill. >> i know he included something that went after the insurance companies in the most recent omnibus. he fought for that to stop bailing out insurance companies, that's one thing i'm familiar that i just saw recently. again, he was on the campaign trail and accomplished that. the bottom line is there isn't a lot of accomplishments, joe, and i don't think it's a fair question to say over the last four years nothing has happened and then blame one person because he didn't get accomplishments done. neither did president obama. >> you know, what rick, through your ups and downs in the united states senate i can list several accomplishments that you have. i want to ask you what happened -- what in your campaign. we had you on early. you had a great message about blue-collar voters, reaching out to blue-collar voters and i thought early on that you were
going to be a guy to watch and i tweeted yesterday i was mystified you didn't catch on in iowa because you're every bit as effective or more in '16 as '12. what changed? >> the public changed. they're not looking at someone with accomplishments and a track record but someone who had a -- considered someone who is an outsider, someone who could talk on the establishment in the case of trump and cruz and i think the case of rubio he is anti-trump and anti-cruz. he has a vision for this country that was like mine, which appreciate. it's the reason i endorse him. his vision is very much in line with my vision and i'm looking for someone who can communicate the vision and he did a better job than i did and appreciate that and that's why i'm joining the team. i think he's someone who shares our values, my values, shares the values of working men and women and, look, i -- we're going to work together and i'm
going to make sure that we have a great team that can go to washington, d.c. and get a lot of things done. >> thank you so much for being with us. hope you'll come back on set soon. so here is the empty suit argument writ large and i thought it was very interesting at the end because i could name a lot of things that rick santorum did while he was in the united states senate when bill clinton was president of the united states. i asked him why he didn't do well, because i think he is very talented and i think he was better in '16 than he was in '12, he said voters were not interested in candidates with accomplishments or track records. >> right. that's true. i mean -- >> and that's rubio. >> but that's -- >> the irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife. >> well, he was thinking more of trump and cruz. >> but i am saying, though, no accomplishments, no track records. by the way, being speaker of the house in a state legislature is
not the answer to name one thing he did in the united states senate. >> but there is one big thing he did that nobody wants to mention. he teamed up with chuck schumer to pass immigration reform. >> the biggest thing marco rubio has done is team up with chuck schumer to pass sweeping immigration reform. >> wow. >> and i think for someone like marco, this could be the achilles heel we saw with mitt romney. take ownership of what you've done. you cannot run away from your accomplishments. so go before the american people and explain why you backed away from your bill. but you cannot pretend as if it never happened and that's -- that tripped up mitt romney on health care in massachusetts and it's going to be the same thing for rubio here. >> i want to jump in and defend rubio a little bit. it was something senator rick santorum referred to which is the question of risk corridors in the affordable care act. there was a provision that would have bailed out insurance companies if the law wound up being less of a good deal for them. it wasn't just marco rubio,
other people in the senate played a role but he was a lead person to put that change through. >> rubio got blast bid most analysts for exaggerating, did he not, his role in that? >> well, i think it's tough for any one individual senator to get something done but i wish senator santorum had talked about that. the other thing is, remember what rick santorum's special role has been in 2012. he was one of the only candidates that would use the word "poverty" on the republican side of the aisle. he's always been focused on that issue. i would love to hear more about the things marco rubio has done supporting aid in developing countries. i know that's not a popular topic within the republican primary but marco rubio has been someone who's been a voice for doing positive things to help people around the world in need. >> all right, when we come back, he's been a mayor, senator, and on one occasion -- >> even a rabbi. bernie sanders like you've never seen him before next. marie callender believes that her chicken pot pie
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larry david is hosting "snl" this weekend. he does a good imitation of you. do you do a larry david imitation? >> anderson, i know you've been in journalism for a long time. >> are you doing your larry david right now? [ laughter ] >> i am larry david. [ laughter ] and you didn't get it! >> get out the breaking news banner, he is larry david. so we found this clip online, the internet discovered it, really, of bernie sanders in his
acting role. you know, you were wondering about accomplishments for marco rubio. here's another accomplishment from bernie sanders. the film, of course, is "my ex-girlfriend's wedding reception." 1999 was the year. bernie, take it away. >> testing, testing. one, two, three, can you all hear me? my name is rabbi manny schevitz and i am very pleased that you invited me to be with you today and i've prepared a few words for this important occasion. today we celebrate life, a very sacred part of life. i remember when i used to walk down my old neighborhood in brooklyn. that was before the dodgers went to los angeles, which was the worst thing, the worst thing that ever happened and i don't know why we let them do that. i mean, nowadays there is no pride. you don't know who owns what team, you don't know who's
playing for what. today they're hear one day and gone the next day. it's a terrible thing. >> are we sure that's not larry david? [ laughter ] >> it's larry david! >> i don't know. i mean, we know larry david. >> that's larry david! >> and we've all been to that wedding. we've all been to that wedding. >> fantastic. manny schevitz. >> the rabbi goes on and on and on and the bride and groom are saying "what about us?" >> separated at birth. >> he also had a cameo in a 1988 film "sweethearts dance" starring don johnson. just a walk on part but he's walked up an impressive imdb page. >> willie, didn't we rank that as the second-biggest movie for us at least critically in the 1980s. >> right out of "out of africa." >> all right, you two. coming up at the top of the
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apparently someone -- some american who's a legitimate nominator submitted a letter that nominated donald trump which puts him alongside many luminaries including pope francis which mean this is person could potentially win the nobel prize for peace. >> throw them the hell out of here. get him out of here. get him out. come on, security move faster. we need security that moves fast. come on, move faster. get him out of here, please. get out of here, please. get him out. get limb out of here. get him out of here! get out! out, out. get out of here. don't give them their coat. no coats it's amazing. i mention food stamps and that guy who's seriously overweight went crazy. he went crazy. >> he's practicing for when he starts throwing people out of the country. >> it's just amazing sometimes. >> oh, my god. >> it's just amazing, welcome
bac back. >> howard dean laughed when he said "throw him out, it's ten below zero, take their coats." and i talked to howard dean in vermont and then i said to donald, you know, donald, howard dean told me it was 45 degrees outside. he just sort of smirked. [ laughter ] the food stamp thing. >> "throw out their coats, it's ten below zero!" >> you want to go with facts? we're live in washington, thursday, february 4, with us on set we have abc news political commentator and senior analyst cokie roberts. former chairman of the republican national committee michael steele. senior national correspondent for bloomberg "businessweek" josh green. senior editor at the daily caller, jamie weinstein. in manchester, new hampshire, mark halperin and in new york, senior political columnist in for the
fournier along with willie, joel, and me. let's go to new hampshire with mark halperin and a new tracking poll. mark, what are you expecting to see on the ground today? yesterday it was trump v cruz. what do we have today? >> well, the republican race now is the campaigns -- other campaigns who were polling claim trump's lead isn't that big anymore. they see a big undecided. they can see rubio is doing well, enjoying the big mo out of iowa, drawing enthusiastic crowds and the question is can anyone get a bead on him? bush has been trying, trump continues to focus on cruz but the question, i think -- the two questions are is trump going to come down, is rubio going up or is somebody like kasich or bush or christie going to taken a opportunity for these campaigns to surge. >> the campaigns have trump down. >> the new tracking poll shows movement on both sides of the new hampshire primary.
first the newest numbers from the seven news boston umass-lowell tracking poll, donald trump still has a 21-point lead. 36%, down two points and rubio has moved into second, up three points since yesterday in seven points since monday. ted cruz had 14%, jeb bush at 8% and john kasich at 7%. and then we have -- >> so cokie, what are you seeing in those numbers? >> what i see is donald trump in those numbers. i think that's where we are and kasich -- is. >> is he surging? >> he doesn't need to surge. he's right there. i see kasich not doing as well as he expected to do. that's the main thing i see and munn surging. >> i think that's why he's attacking. >> you look at those numbers. you look at marco rubio plus three and plus seven since last week, trump still has a
significant lead but six days is a long time. >> look who's trailing behind marco rubio. the fact he's vaulted up into second place is a mortal threat is john kasich, jeb bush, chris christie, that's why you have christie with his bubble boy talk and you know behind the scenes teaming up. >> i see looking at that close to a tight race if you take out chris christie, jeb bush and john kasich and the question after new hampshire if marco rubio beats them do they continue on for eager or consolidate around a guy who's the anti-trump/anti-cruz candidate? right now some are talking about moving on after new hampshire after they lose to marco rubio which would be an ego trip more than anything else. >> that's been the question for the whole campaign. whether they would consolidate that's what we've been talking about since october. and jeb bush's home field advantage in south carolina, jeb bush, i can't believe he would
leave before south carolina. >> the other thing that folks in the establishment are making is all that support behind those other candidates is going to magically land in marco rubio's lap. you have to look at it and say well, some of that is maybe donald trump is their second choice, not necessarily rubio. >> there's been polling in new hampshire that shows if there was a three-person race between donald trump, marco rubio and ted cruz it's tied with marco rubio and donald trump with cruz third so there is evidence to suggest if you had those people drop out. it's an odd thing for jeb bush going to south carolina, he's changing the whole dynamic of the race. it used to be "i'm my own man." now it's remember "i'm part of the bush family." bringing out his brother. seems like a desperation move. >> i don't know that it's a desperation move. jeb bush has a lot of money.
the bush family is loved in this state. >> his mom is coming to new hampshire. >> lindsey graham who is probably one of the most popular politicians in the state has endorsed jeb bush. >> he's not all that popular. >> and jeb bush -- i'm on a role here, cokie. south carolina is an establishment state. at least among -- i don't know the numbers. at least among the people that i talked to down there lindsay from the establishment class of republicans is the one that -- >> before we go to mark halperin, here's what dana mill bank says. "marco rubio is in an enviable position among mainstream presidential candidates after his strong finish in iowa yet the man is running scared. the young floridian is stumping through new hampshire as if he's campaigning to win the cautious caucus. he gaves the similar speech everywhere, the most tightly managed candidate in the race. he shuns risk and appears to live in mortal terror of mentioning the man who dominates
the race. rubio's determination not to be taken off this bland message or to engage trump may give the impression that he is above the fray but it can make him look weak and callow. >> mark halperin, his opponents have been complaining he's been delivering the same speech for the past six years. some would call that discipline. >> or reaganesque. >> that's discipline and being cautious and executing the strategy first in iowa and here is smart. trump is adding events. he knows he needs to win this state. people talk about bush or kro christie or kasich going on. if rubio has anything but a narrow lead, you could see all three of them get out. that's why rubio along with cruz represents the big threat to donald trump and a mortal threat to those three other establishment candidates. the question is in this environment where trump
dominates the coverage over the next few days almost certainly can they take him down? >> let me channel tom brokaw, which is hard for me to do. but, again, you never know until people go out and vote everybody that came on our show the day before new hampshire in 2008 said the same thing. hillary clinton was finished, her campaign was over, it was gone. and that won the case. >> i want to show the democratic side as well, a tightening in the democratic race as well. >> and i say that for candidates like kasich and bush and christie you never know. like you said in the reagan debate, something happens big and you can have a candidate surging 10 points. there's so many undecideds in new hampshire and they break so late in new hampshire. >> reagan did that, "i bought this microphone." hillary clinton teared up and showed her true self and those things can make a big
difference. >> so here's where we are then, bernie sanders with a 22-point lead 58% to 36% over hillary clinton but clinton has moved up six points since monday while bernie sanders has dropped five. that actually collectively is pretty -- is something, isn't it? >> it is and the thing is hillary clinton -- this is pure hillary. she's down 30 points, she's going to new hampshire fighting like hell. she's been one of the toughest people in politics and she's not going to pass up new hampshire. ron fournier, let me bring you in. you suggest that her bigger problem in the next couple months is not bernie sanders or n this campaign or something else. what? >> it's what i call the fbi primary. we don't know what the fbi and justice department will do with w the investigation into her mishandling of her e-mails and that's a big unknown.
structurally she has not an easy path to the presidency but the easiest path, being a democrat in a country that is leaning left in the presidential races and being by far the strongest establishment candidate in the democratic primary. i'm not coronating her but she has the easiest path to the presidency so her biggest obstacle is what she doesn't know, what we don't know, and that's what the fbi is doing. i'll say about new hampshire, joe, she should win it and she could win it. she has a big advantage this week because the expectations are so low. it's a state that saved her husband's presidency, structurally, a state that fall rivers the more establishment more moderate, more pragmatic candidate who could attract independent voters. so what we're seeing in the polls, the begining of what could be a big surprise and i would expect her to beat bernie sanders in new hampshire. if she doesn't, that shows weakness. >> even if she doesn't, she's
playing masterfully the expectations game right now. yesterday she said i understand this is bernie's backyard and you're being neighborly by wanting to vote for him. i get that, people told me not come to new hampshire but i couldn't pass this up. so if she comes in seven eight points back instead of 28 points, that reflects well in from her. >> this is the thing she should wi win. >> secretary clinton, senator sanders will meet on a debate stage. the two democratic candidates appeared separately at a presidential town hall last night trading blows over who best embodies progressive values. the back and forth got started earlier this week when sanders said clinton is only progressive "some days. let's bring in msnbc correspondent kasie hunt in manchester. kasie, how is this playing out between the two of them? he's throwing it out she's not progressive except when she needs to be and he is the true pure progressive.
>> willie, this kicked off earlier this week. i asked bernie sanders if he thought hillary clinton was a progressive. you read through his answer there and it was clear she and her campaign noticed right away and it's something she addressed aggressively and head on the day after. take a look. >> it was kind of a low blow when senator sanders said in response to a question well, you know, maybe she's a progressive on some days. so i thought to myself, i think it was a good day for progressives when i helped to get eight million kids health insurance under the health insurance program. [ applause ] and i think it was a good day for progressives when i joined with colleagues in the senate to stop george w. bush from
privatizing social security. [ cheers and applause ] and so i hope we keep it on the issues because if it's about our records, i'm going to win by a landslide on tuesday. >> so you can see there how clinton herself reacted to sanders sanders' words. that back-and-forth continued on the stage. you have to remember he still doesn't prepare very much even though his campaign is adjusting to secret service. they're having to act more like a traditional campaign. i will say you were talking about the expectations game in new hampshire. the bernie sanders team privately know this is lead that the polls are showing right now is not something that they think
is going to end up kbg the reality. there's no question this is going to tighten. and sanders is playing this expectations game as well focusing on some of what ron fournier was talking about that she has won here before, that this is a state they've talked about as being very friendly to the clinton family. so i think they're very well aware this race is potentially still up for grabs. >> and i react everything i said about her managing the expectations game. she said "i'm going to win in a landslide on tuesday." kasie hunt in new hampshire, thanks so much. joe, mika, it was interesting last night bernie sanders talking about that progressive record and he said for hillary clinton a progressive doesn't vote for the iraq war and a progressive is not as cozy with wall street as she appears to be. >> you know what's also interesting, willie, we talked about it last hour, that clip of hillary clinton saying that was low blow for bernie sanders to suggest she's a progressive on one day and a moderate on the other and yet this is what she said a couple months ago. roll the tape.
>> i get accused of being kind of moderate and center. i plead guilty. i think sometimes it's important when you're in the elected arena you try to figure out how to bring people together to get something done. >> so ron fournier, they is what is so maddening to hillary clinton for so many people that in february she says she's always been a progressive and to take personal umbrage and accuse people of a low blow by suggesting you're a moderate when you said you were proud of being moderate just a couple of months earlier. >> on the one hand she's an authentic candidate and another candidat
candidate. >> speaking of which, joining us now from durham, new hampshire, nbc news political director, moderate of or "meet the press," chuck todd looking ahead to tonight because you are moderating, chuck. >> i'm looking forward to it. ron is right. this is this issue here of tactics. and it's a reason why we're not seeing the devoid on gender and race, the divide really is on -- cuts across lines going to the issue of younger progressives, younger democrats sitting there going, you know what? why shouldn't a candidate be bold? why shouldn't a candidate push the envelope? and the older democratic voters saying you know what? they've been around the block a while, they get this stuff is hard and they are looking at
clinton and hillary saying you know what? pra mati pragmatism isn't such a bad thing. how sanders can convince older voters he has a plan to get it done and how hillary can excite younger voters are both of their challenges. >> the other thing younger voters don't know is that people like bernie sanders or george mcgovern or gene mccarthy or walter mondale lose. [ laughter ] and so -- and the older democrats remember that. >> president mondale, president mccarthy. >> and that's what's scaring democrats right now is a bernie sanders surge. they look at it with just terror. >> but then every once in a while they do win. >> they don't win the general election. >> that was 2008 with barack obama where a lot of young people invested their hope in his campaign in his election you see a little bit of that right now and i was just recently at
eastern missouri university and the students there are very excited about the prospect, the idea of a bernie sanders and that's the magic he wins. >> what's so odd is that clinton keeps getting tripped up in the oh, i'm a victim, personal attacks, you're calling me a moderate. she ought to point out, look, have a long record of progressive accomplishments and if you talk about progressive accomplishments you'll have an advantage over a guy like bhoerz is often a lone voice in the wilderness, yes, for progressive ideas but he hasn't gotten a lot done. >> i will say for republicans this is a nice change. we usually go so far right in primary wes can't scurry back to the center. it's now democrats that are punching each other out on who is more liberal and mo who is more pure. >> primaries make it hard to win general elections and it's
usually not what the other person says about you but what you say yourself. >> chuck todd, thank you, enjoy, good luck. we'll watch when you co-moderate the only one on one debate between hillary clinton and bernie sanders before the new hampshire primary live on msnbc at 9:00 eastern time. jamie weinstein, thank you as well. still ahead on "morning joe," presidential candidate chris christie joins us live. does new hampshire come down to him and the u.s. senator he calls the boy in the bubble? plus, emboldened after a first-place finish in iowa, ted cruz accuses donald trump of throwing a trumper tantrum. hallie jackson joins us live from the trail. and monday and tuesday and wednesday of next week, we're taking "morning joe" on the road to manchester, new hampshire, we'll be live from j.d.'s tavern and if you're in the area, come join us, pull up a chair, we'll
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if i had a choice of republican nominees -- let's just say for instance between cruz and trump -- i think i would choose trump. which may surprise some of you. but the reason is that trump has proven already that he's completely malleable. [ laughter ] i don't think he has any fixed opinions that he would really go to -- [ laughter ] -- the white house and fight for. on the other hand, ted cruz is not malleable. he has far right wing policies, in my opinion, that would be pursued aggressively if and when he might become president. >> so he found a way -- he found a way to elegantly insult both of them while saying one would be better than the other. >> right. but he gave ted cruz a great campaign ad. >> oh, my god. >> by saying he would not
compromise on his far right wing conservative values. >> that's so funny. >> but what jimmy carter just said is completely what i'm hearing on capitol hill. >> yeah. >> and it's so interesting because the divide is between the republican intellectuals -- >> they don't like him. >> -- and the republican politicians. so you have the bill kristols and the george bushes of the world saying no trump no trump and politicians saying trump over cruz. >> what we're going to see coming out is ted cruz, winner of iowa and chances are he'll win other states, not only being isolated in the senate but also being isolated in this presidential field because every candidate that has gotten out of the race privately have contempt for ted cruz and would never endorse him. you're hearing people quietly say in washington trump is okay, we can work with him. and you have politicians now endorsing marco.
>> joining us from manchester, new hampshire, nbc news correspondent hallie jackson. you've been following, hallie, the cruz campaign and the attacks between ted cruz and trump seem to be ramping up a bit. >> you guys know i've been out with senator cruz quite a bit but what we saw yesterday from him against donald trump really seemed to be a new tone. he went after him and he went after him again and he went after him again and it sort of kept on escalating in a way we haven't necessarily seen from cruz before so i asked him about this and here's a little bit of our exchange from yesterday here in new hampshire. >> it's no surprise that donald is throwing yet another temper tantrum or, if you like, another trumper tantrum. but at the end of the day, the iowa people spoke. donald trump guaranteed a victory in iowa. and then he lost. i wake up everyday and laugh at the latest thing donald has tweeted. because he's losing it. he need a commander-in-chief, not a twitterer in chief. i mean, we're liable to wake up one morning and donald if he
were president would have nuked denmark. >> and i think, guys within the cruz campaign you're seeing a sense of a little frustration that trump just keeps coming after ted cruz which is why there's almost different kind of tone to their feud you're seeing from cruz. as we've been talking about, the people that have benefitted, the establishment candidates in new hampshire, specifically marco rubio and joe, i have to mention on that jimmy carter moment, i think you and the senator are on a mind meld because he said last night "i told my team to find me that video because i want to play it." he says "i love jimmy carter attacking me." it's what he wants to hear. >> especially attacking him on the fact that he is a right winger who won't compromise on his values. plays right into his -- >> thank you, hallie, appreciate it. >> hallie jackson, thank you. >> i look at donald trump versus ted cruz and i'm going to say it. this is the stupidest fight for both of these campaigns. [ laughter ] i'm talking strategically. >> so dumb.
>> this is the stupidest fight strategically for both of these men to have. first of all, ted cruz has a ceiling in new hampshire. so donald trump shouldn't be going after ted cruz. these two, if they carry this on today, are fools, political fools who are playing right into the establishment's hand and they are doing exactly what dick gephardt and howard dean did in iowa in 2004. they savaged each other and john kerry just slid right in. i can't overstate how stupid for both of these campaign this is battle is. >> they're creating the perfect lane for rubio to do exactly what he wants to do in new hampshire. let those two guys duke it out. >> well, rubio and bush and kasich and christie. >> it's creating the lane. they're creating the lane. it's a dumb fight. >> it's the most foolish fight they could have. >> they can pay a price soon because if rubio continues to rise as he was in the tracking poll and all the establishment candidates get out, suddenly you
have rubio -- >> i'm going to stop it again, and this isn't directed at you, but we teach talking like we were talking about trump, we keep talking about how this is rubio, cruz and -- rubio, cruz and trump. flib anybody on -- what's today, wednesday or thursday? >> thursday. >> anybody that writes off john kasich, you're a fool. writes off jeb bush, i'll say it again, you're a fool. writes off chris christie, you're a fool. i mean, we keep talking about this and we've seen new hampshire time and time and time again. >> prove people wrong. >> make us look like fools. these establishment candidates, especially 23 cruz and trump keep pounding each other, i would not be surprised if any of those establishment candidates that i mention come close to to winning this thing. >> they very well could. >> that's what new hampshire does. >> that's what new hampshire does and that's what is setting
up perfectly for the rest of the field right now. and you'll see it play out on that stage tuesday night. >> let's go to willie in new york. willie? >> joining us now, the editor of "time" magazine nancy gibs and joe klein from "time" magazine in new hampshire. joe, you have the cover story, the hillary clinton "i know what it's like to be knocked down" is the quote and inside "do you see her now" is what you're calling the piece. joe, you say being hillary clinton is the single greatest obstacle to her being hillary clinton. what do you mean by that: >> well, when you say "hillary clinton," almost everybody in this country has an immediate impression and it's based on her notoriety over the years. but what i've seen on the stump and what i've seen her do in between campaigns is a lot of hard work on substance. and that's what's she's trying to get across in this campaign and i don't know that she's having very much luck doing it
because we're all focused on the clown car and sparklers. >> nancy, one thing that jumped out on me in this piece by joe is him saying that clinton brings to the table an idealism tempered by time and hard experience. do you think -- do you think she's done a good job of showing those traits a seasoned that the kind of thing that can win a democratic primary? >> you heard her yesterday talking about heart over and over and over again. i think she doesn't like this narrative now that bernie is the candidate with the heart and she's the candidate of the head. so i think she's trying to sell both. but we've invoked every single presidential candidate in modern american history so we have echos of 1988, competence versus ideology and michael dukakis trying to sell himself as the confidence candidate. she's obviously trying to do that about her record and what she can achieve. the problem is you can't skip the poetry. its the poetry that has the huge crowds turning out, that has so
much juice and passion in this race. so i think it's very hard for her when she has the full orchestra playing behind bernie sanders and for that matter on the republican side for her to be trying to make this calm, cool, competent argument about what she can get done. that's always where it has to end up once you're in a position to govern but in order to get there you cannot skip the poetry. >> joe scarborough, jump in. >> joe klein, i love the title of this, of "time" magazine talking about hillary clinton keeps getting knocked down and of course she keeps getting up we can talk about all the things that have happened over the past ten years or so but i remember that famous tune right after the monica lewinsky story broke i was in the back of the chamber -- >> 1998. >> '98 where i usually stood so when the president started speaking i could go back and lie down on the couch in the cloak room but in this case i turned
up and i looked at the first lady under siege and she stood up there and she was clapping and smiling and i thought to myself, damn, that may be one of the strongest people i've ever seen in my life because by that point she'd already been put through the meat grinder on health care and on about a thousand -- whitewater, about a thousand other things and she just kept coming and i've got say, i've never seen anybody in national politics that endures as much as hillary clinton. >> and keeps going back. >> and there's another point in the irony of this, joe. you see those old pictures of hillary in the '70s and late '60s and you say "that was a bernie sanders supporter. she would have been a sanders supporter back then." and shef was. she worked for george mcgovern in texas in 1972 and i asked her what would you say to that young woman who you once were?
how would you convince her to vote for you now? and her answer was complicated and it was -- it was smart but it wasn't passionate. i think that in some ways over the next four or five days she's going to have to answer that question. >> nancy, you mentioned about not skipping the poetry and i wonder if that's not digging deep enough. it's not like bernie sanders is poetic. the middle-class is getting screwed. the middle-class is getting screwed. that's sort of his message. and his message is about 20 seconds or less and it's very clear, it's very consistent. isn't it mess thank you ought to be focusing on? >> it's true no one has been able, including hillary clinton, to summarize her message in anything like the simple soundbite clarity that bernie sanders has going forhim. but i think when she keeps on talking about record, record, record and experience that it's
very hard to inspire people in the same way sanders has been able to. i agree, it's unbelievably strange to see that after so many cycles when the word liberalism was a word that everyone dodged at all costs that we are now embracing the word socialism it's just incredible the point joe made of how did that happen which i think tells you something so important about the popular mood is and how much has changed. i'm not suggesting bernie sanders is a poet but he is speaking past just a lust of positions that he is selling. >> he has a message that is cutting through. >> and cokie roberts what's so ironic is the two candidates that have been around the long rest the most versed on well sides know issue by issue, could go toe to toe with anybody longer are hillary clinton -- >> jeb bush. >> on the democratic side and jeb bush on the republican side and yet both of them fail the singular test i have for every candidate that wants to run.
>> why do you want to be president. >> if you can't put it on a you were beer sticker you can't win. what is the other arching thing and neither can do it. >> and also talking about their record is talking about the past and elections are about the future and that's a real problem for them. in hillary clinton's case, i get it. she's worked really hard. she came to the senate, it was so interesting because everybody in the senate thought oh, she's going to be here and be a show horse and then she was a workhorse. >> just the opposite. >> just the opposite. and worked across the aisle and all of that. but that doesn't sell. >> that's typical of women. we work harder blah blah blah. that's yesterday's story. you know, when you ask about a message and even last night when she was asked about the speech money and big banks and she kind of begrudgingly said she's going to hold wall street accountable almost like looking down. it's not necessarily -- she's not right there with it. she's not. she's not.
>> but it goes against hillary clinton's nature like it goes against jeb bush's nature to be glib and tight like ted cruz. >> because they want to be people of substance. >> you look at the two people whose campaigns are the most maddening to those who support substance, at least on the republican side, and it's ted cruz and marco rubio. because it looks like think've practiced every line, everything is calculated, they repeat the same thing over and over again. you talk to any political professional and they will tell you those guys are disciplined and that's how you win elections. >> ronald reagan. all right, nancy gibbs and joe klein -- >> don't you ever put ronald reagan and ted cruz and marco rubio in the same sentence ever, cokie, or it's over! [ laughter ] >> all right, thank you both. cover of "time" magazine. >> shoe fits. coming up, by one count chris christie has done 179 events in new hampshire. he joins us from his home away from home in just a few minutes.
and as we get to break, ted cruz gets to work on the ad featuring jimmy carter. >> today -- i'm not making this up -- jimmy carter endorsed donald trump. [ laughter ] my comment to the team was "if there is video, get the video, i want the video and i'm going to pay to air jimmy carter attacking me because, holy cow, this guy believe what is he says." [ applause ] . i swear i saw it swallow seven people. seven. i just wish one of those people could have been mrs. johnson. [dog bark] trust me, we're dealing with a higher intelligence here. ♪ the all-new audi q7 is here. ♪ because you can't beat zero heartburn! i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn
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marco rubio hasn't accomplished one thing in his career. he has only done one thing in the senate. and then to run away from it when the heat got turned up. he has been giving the same speech and his surrounders coddled him and they called on members of the press to ask him their selected questions and then he does a drive by 45
minute town hall meeting where he gives the same canned answers that he gives on the debate stage. they are all very nice and very, very neat, but that's not the way governing works. governing doesn't work neatly. it's difficult and hard when you are an executive. he wouldn't know about this because he never has been one. we elected barack obama as a first term u.s. senator and he has done more things to mess up the government. why do you think it would be any different with a first term senator from florida. when he does show up to work, he doesn't take the stance that needs to be taken to show you can be a real leader. >> earlier in the show, you had questions to when santorum came up with what marco rubio had done. we thought you should answer the question. >> governor christie, you
reelected in 2013 with 60% of the vote and put together this impressive coalition, but your approval rating is only about 33%. does that make it harder to run in the state of new jersey in this race? >> no, my record is my record. marco rubio's is his. when you ask him a question about his record, he turns to somebody else's. the fact is that my record in new jersey is about reforming a pension and benefit system and vetoing more tax increases and balancing budgets without new taxes and creating over 235,000 private sector jobs and cutting unemployment nearly in half in six years. that's a few accomplishments we had not to mention rebuilding the state after hurricane sandy
destroyed homes. rick santorum can't name one thing that he has done. he made it clear on the issue of pro life, marco rubio is not for rape, incest, or life of the mother. that's what voters should be concerned b. i am pro life, but i believe rape, incest, or life of the mother should be exceptions to that rule. marco rubio is a guy who moves and shifts depending what he thinks he can get out of the electorate. he is not proven as a leader and not accomplished anything of note or in his time as speaker of the house in florida. it's time for the boy in the bubble to answer these questions and tell us things rather than than to give the same speech. great speech, but it's time to come up with something new to
say. >> cokie roberts. >> a lot of people are saying that you and governor kasich and governor race should get out of the race and support somebody who is not donald trump or ted cruz so the republicans can win. do you have any intention of getting out of the race or getting together with the establishment candidates to get behind someone? >> who would that be? someone who never accomplished anything or the same record as barack obama or someone someone who has not done a thing? >> when you said sit down and shut up, a lot of people thought it wouldn't work in politics and donald trump is throwing people out of his rallies and saying
get him out of here. are you the guy to tell them the place? >> thank you for the characterization of the rudeness quotient. the fact is that i'm going to be out flanked on anything, outflanked on the rudeness quotient is something i am has been to be. i not only say it exact low as i see it, i can actually get it done. the problem is with somebody like marco rubio who quite frankly has never proven he can get anything done except to get up in the morning, fix his hair, smile, and give the same speech forever the last six years, i don't understand how that's a qualification for president of the united states. >> real quick, polls are showing
that people are not weighing experience the same way they have in previous presidential elections. how do you make the case or the argument to the american people and particularly people in new hampshire that experience does matter in these times? >> i think by seeing that barack obama had no experience and this is what we turned up with. it's beautiful to read from a teleprompter or notes as marco does all the time. even when he is leveling insults at me he has to read from a piece of paper. >> let me just say, governor christie that you and i have known each other long enough to say when we insult each other, we don't have to read. >> exactly right, joe. we have a long history of that and i'm proud of it.
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>> jeb held a town hall event where he tried so hard to get the crowd fired up. >> i will be a commander in chief that will have the back of the military and won't trash talk. i won't be out there blow hearting talking a big game without backing it up. the next president needs to be a lot questioneder and send a signal where we need to act to
get back in the business of creating a more peaceful world. please clap. >> really. i don't know. that is honestly one of the saddest things i have ever seen. like peter pan trying to save tinker bell. >> oh, my gosh. it was supposed to be cute. it would have worked in a different time. cute self depricating humor. >> it was and it was a great answer and jeb has a dry sense of humor that translates better when you are 30 points ahead. >> exactly. >> when you are 30 points ahead, everybody is that guy is cool. >> she funny. >> if you are a low energy candidate -- >> it's thursday, february 4th.
>> i do hear little birdies saying that they are feeling good. moving a little bit in new hampshire. >> political commentator cokie roberts is with us and former chairman of the republican national committee michael steele and national correspondent josh green and republican pollster and columnist kristin anderson and managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halpern and willie geist in new york. i think we will start with the democrats. >> first i want to talk with cokie about the republicans. >> i know where you are going to go. >> as i was watching the breathless press coverage all day from the second trump loss through yesterday, it's breathless. there was a narrative that was
breathless for five months which was trump can't win and then it was breathless for a month, oh, my god, trump is going to win. that's what iowa does. changes the narrative and the press goes running to the complete opposite direction and then the new hampshire voters push him back. it happened with reagan. it was all over. reagan loses iowa and it's bush's big mo. this is what you chicago tribune wrote. headline after iowa. reagan's dominance weakened and went on a couple of days later and destroyed bush. the same with bush in 88. >> he paid for the microphone. there was barbara bush and she is in new hampshire again. you have to give her credit. >> bringing in the big guns.
>> we do go with the news of the day. and it is true that we do get breathless, but on the other hand, this is a long campaign and you don't want us to be it's boring all the way through. you want to go with the news. and the news out of iowa does so to surprise and then new hampshire. >> everyone runs in a different direction. >> and then we go to south carolina and something else all together. >> we will see what happens. hillary clinton and bernie sanders will be meeting on a debate stage tonight here on msnbc and they gave voters a preview of a head on collision to come. the two candidates appeared separately at a presidential town hall event trading blows over who best embodies progressive values. it got started earlier when sanders said clinton is only progressive some days and last night he continued that line of attack using a comment clinton
made back in september to support his argument. here's that remark followed by the two candidates last night. >> i get accused of being moderate and centered. i plead guilty. when you are in the elected arena, you try to figure out how to get people to get something done. >> i don't know the context of it, but secretary clinton said some people call me a moderate and i proudly say that i am a moderate. that's what she said. all i say is you can't say you are a moderate on day and be a progressive on the other day. i know any progressive who has a super pac and takes $15 million from wall street. that's not progressive. >> clinton was also forced to react to sanders's criticism of the large speaking fees she
received over the years and here's how she responded to paying $675,000 by goldman sachs for three speeches. >> i make speeches to lots of groups and i told them what i thought. >> do you have to be pate $675,000. >> that's what they offered. every secretary of state that i know has done that. >> they are not running for an office. >> to be honest, i wasn't committed to running. i didn't know whether i would or not. >> you didn't know? >> i didn't. several times i said i think i'm done. you know, so many people came to me and started talking to me and the circumstances and the concerns i had about the republicans taking back the white house because i think they wrecked what we achieved in the 90s. anybody who knows me who thinks they can influence me, name
anything they have influenced me on. name one thing. >> that's not something you regret. >> no,i don't. i don't feel that i paid any price for it and i am clear about what i will do and they are on notice. >> i don't know where to begin, mark halpern. we can start by her suggesting she didn't think she was going to run for president and secondly saying she can get $675,000 because that's what everybody is doing as far as secretary of states. name one thing that anybody has bought with money paying me. george stephanopoulos said access. he understands. it is about access, especially if you are getting 675,000 from goldman sachs. they said they appreciate it. >> to be fair, everything you said is correct, but she was very good last night. that was easily her weakest
moment in that forum and she is still no matter what happens the overwhelming favorite. that answer goes to the biggest contradiction in her campaign. even as she continues to move to the left to keep him from having room on the left, she and supporters are suggesting sanders is too left wing. all the problems she has with being more of an establishment candidate than sanders revealed. she was very good last night answering tough questions and tougher questions than bernie sanders got in that event. >> josh green, hillary clinton yesterday was saying that bernie sanders was engaging in personal attacks by accusing her of being a moderate. i will say that again. hillary clinton said yesterday that bernie sanders was engaging in personal attacks by calling her a moderate.
on september 10th, hillary clinton in an act of self hatred called herself a moderate. this is one of the fan taft cal thing about the clintons i never understood. trump gets away with things. the clintons have always gotten away with things others would be called out on. >> she got nailed on that answer and i think what it shows is how far left the democratic party has moved. the fact that you are fighting over are you progressive or a liberal. you will never outliberal bernie sanders. he is a democratic socialist and the big fight within the primary has been who is more liberal and more anti-wall street. it you puts clinton in a tough position. >> the contradiction is that they say that bernie is too liberal, but every specific issue they attack him on is they think he is too conservative.
whether it's on guns or other issues that they think are too conservative. >> step back for a moment and relish what we are seeing here. as a member of the republican party they have led the party conservatives and to watch democrats fight over whether or not they are progressive or liberal or moderate. >> they never say the word liberal. >> they always focus when it comes to republicans, they are confused and they don't know who they are. well, clearly -- >> that's what elections are about. people do oppose each other. they are not all on the same page. >> let's be honest and correct. they are confused about who they are and you are playing out on the national stage and your chairman cannot distinguish between a democrat and a socialist. >> except for the fact that we heard how far right and i will
follow-up on what josh said, the media obsessed on how far the republican party has gone while nobody was paying attention. the democratic party, you look at the senators and the democratic party has gone just as far left. that's what we are finally seeing on the national stage. >> if you look at a mailer that the clinton campaign put out, i believe it lists how many times bernie sanders failed to have president obama's back. it has a long list. >> there was one he didn't go to an easter egg roll. >> that bernie. >> the democratic debate was good, but all day long we will see it was pure silliness on i'm more progressive than you. i'm a moderate.
>> tonight they will debate. last night was a forum. tonight they will go face 20 face. it will be interesting. >> and a lot more times they will go face-to-face. >> all of a sudden. >> yesterday morning, mika, as we were leaving we saw donald trump's tweet and we were confused. in the words of walter cronkite, what the hell was that? it was a first where he talked about cruz stealing the election. trump said something outrageous and everybody follows because there is a kernel of truth in there where ted cruz did engage in his top supporters and you saw it play out live on twitter in realtime. he engaged in dirty politics as people went into the caucus. they lied and said that ben carson was dropping out of the race. we were saying caucus for cruz.
you had rubio. you had carson, you had trump and everybody looking at slimy politics. >> what we saw was the beginning of a string of tweets. he tweeted ted cruz didn't win wark iowa. he stole it. and then based on the fraud committed by senator cruz in the iowa caucus, either a new election should take place or cruz results nullified. trump tweeted a photo of the voter violation mailer and called it a misdemeanor at minimum. trump kept up attacks before a massive audience of over 10,000 people in little rock, arkansas. trump was two hours late, but few left before he spoke. >> actually i think i came in
first because if you take a look -- you know. oh, that voter fraud. these politicians are brutal. >> over 10,000 people in arkansas. his plane had problems and had to hold it in nashville. over 10,000 people wait two hours to hear him speak. he had 5,000 packed a couple of nights ago and other campaigns are bragging about having 750 up in new hampshire. >> cruz responded by accusing him of having a trumper tantrum. >> it is no surprise that donald is throwing yet another temper tanned rum or trumper tantrum. the people spoke. donald trump guaranteed a victory in iowa and he lost. i wake up every day and laugh at the latest thing donald has
tweeted because he is losing it. we need a commander in chief and not a twitterer in chief. donald would have nuked denmark. >> okie doke. he took offense at cruz's dirty campaign tactics in iowa. >> they had seen rumors and those were not accurate and it was unfair to ben. ultimately it goes back to what i said before and that's a willingness to say or do anything and in this case spread a false rumor. >> when i campaigned, i was aggressive and fought hard, but i look at certain things that other politicians do. one, lying about someone saying they are getting out of the race. whoever spread it would be fired immediately. that violation, that voter violation, i ask myself and said
i tried to put myself back in position. what the hell is wrong with you? you are going to scare voters? ted cruz won iowa. i'm not so sure though that in these last two tactics he didn't accumulate scar tissue that will not isolate him from some of the voters, about you more importantly everyone else in the field that will not endorse him now. >> you look at the apology too that wasn't much of an apology. we saw this on cnn and this was a breaking news report and we cirq circulated it as people went out to vote. he said he is not going to fire anybody over this. that's where he is on the issue. i think two things can be true. this was a dirty trick. i think it was bad politics, but i think donald doesn't need to
dwell on this. it starts to look like sour grapes when he goes on the twitter storm. he should turn to new hampshire where hoe has a big lead and focus on winning there. we will not recount or revote in iowa. he risks looking like look being like a sore loser. >> gn >> new half sir. >> there is a race under way in brazil months before the olympics kickoff in rio. how the country is trying to fight off the zika virus. >> can you believe the timing of this? with the olympics and this virus? not good at all. >> some are concerned about that and we will talk to two experts about that in a little bit. but first bill has a check on the forecast. >> only in new england can you go from 50 to 60 degrees to
snow. first off in the southeast, heavy rain in north florida that will go to the south in south carolina. this will move to new england. for today, the only troublesome weather i had from tampa to orlando, showers and thunderstorms for you and a soaking rain for the coast. later on tonight, 10:00 and rain overspreading southern new england and cold air begins to move in. a change of rain over to snow. this is 7:00 a.m. at the morning rush hour from boston to providence and new haven out on long island. that is snow coming down early tomorrow morning. the totals are not going to be off the charts, but a possibility of a few spots having to plow. areas of connecticut and cape cod and long island. it's a mini snow former for you tomorrow morning. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. vo: know you have a dedicated advisor and team who understand
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. >> panic around trump supporters and hearing that he can finish third or fourth or fifth in new hampshire. >> trump? >> oh, please. that's what people are saying on the ground in new hampshire because he went to arkansas last night. whatever. willie? >> all the focus needs to be turning to marco rubio right now. chris christie arguing it will come down to christie and rubio. he said the governor was too scripted. >> these run on average 40 to 45
minutes. our meetings run two hours. we answered over 1100 questions and senator rubio barely answers any. he acts like the king of england. he has a press aid and preselect which reporters will ask us questions. he is protected and coddled his entire career and it's time for him to come out of the bubble and he needs to get to work here in new hampshire. >> throughout the debates, christie has sought to frame the race as who can best take on hillary clinton in the general election. this is what he said. >> the last person she wants to see on that stage in september, you are looking at him. she has been running away from federal prosecutors for the last six months. she sees a federal prosecutor
and i will serve her with a subpoena. it will be relief to lose the debate. >> governor christie talks about the general election and going back to the first attack, there is a piece on the "new york times" that said the bush and christie campaigns are working together go after marco rubio and they are talking behind the scenes. one adviser said we have similar goals and that goal is to take out marco rubio. >> what's interesting is when chris christie asked that question, who does hillary clinton want to see the least on the debate stage come the fall, we all answered in unison, marco rubio. whether they are right or not, they are not sitting around worrying about whether they get donald trump or chris christie, but worried about marco rubio and if he were strong, jeb bush.
those are the two who lineup best to win a general election if they get through a primary. >> right or wrong, new hampshire has to be in the top three with the exception of jeb bush because south carolina is a state where he might be uniquely strong. you might see marco rubio in this abc debate take the brunt of almost all of the attacks. you might have a donald trump and ted cruz side show, but rubio has momentum out of iowa. he has the establishment lane. >> that's saturday night's debate and woe had a bit of time after iowa and then tuesday. it's a key moment. rubio has done well. if everybody is beating up on him rattles him.
>> coming up on "morning joe," delta lets the flight crew come out and the state of emergency in florida counties as new cases of the zika virus start to pop up around the u.s. we are joined by dr. zeke emmanuel. >> i hope we keep it on the issues. if it's about our records, i'm going to win by a landslide on tuesday. >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders are set to debate tonight on msnbc as they try to stake out who is the real progressive. i think it landed last tuesday. one second it's there. then, woosh, it's gone. i swear i saw it swallow seven people. seven. i just wish one of those people could have been mrs. johnson. [dog bark] trust me, we're dealing with a higher intelligence here. ♪
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>> former white house adviser and vice promos for global initiatives. and dr. campbell established the online newsletter, thrive. we are reading a lot more about the virus and how it spreads. we don't know all the ways it spreads. >> it has been around for 70 years. >> the zika virus has been around for 70 years and it is amazing how little we know. we don't know the incubation phase and how long it sits in semen or blood. we have gotten too lax. we had a big scare about ebola
and flu is always present and worrisome. >> the concerns ton grow. >> the governor declared a public health emergency in four counties that identified cases of the virus. in south america the president of brazil said they are doing everything they can to work with the u.s. and help develop the vaccine as soon as possible. you have the world health organization calling it an emergency of international concern. the first case of sexual contact confirmed in dallas, texas. >> the problem really is as you pointed out, it's growing exponentially in brazil, a country that had the world cup in 14 and going to have the olympics this summer. what are the dangers? >> is that worth noting? >> it may be the world cup soccer match that brought it to
brazil according to experts and it's a virus that gets into the country and spreads. in the u.s. it's barely spread yet and as long as public health measures are put in place, we think we will be safe. >> if 200,000 americans go to brazil in august and come back and doesn't that have the possibility of causing an explosion? >> the funny thing in august, it's cooler down there. >> the one thing we worry about is spring break. that's coming up in a few weeks with a lot of kids going to florida, the caribbean and other places where you have a lot more. well before the olympics is a spring break first. >> it's too far away. dave is right that that is probably not going to be as severe of a problem.
i think the issue is less of a concern. in part we have good infection control and we know this because we have been able to control it pretty well. that gives us reassurance. >> what do the numbers look like? >> you have 4,000 cases of microcephaly and most of them are concentrated in central and south america. brazil is the epicenter. >> other than that is there any real reason to be upset? if i am going to get the disease, it's not a big deal, is it? >> no. a disease for you is not a big deal. it's a minor illness that you will survive and be over in two to seven days. >> you would call it a flu.
80% of people who get infected don't know. that shows you how mild it is and shows you that there is a problem and people could transmit it and not know. >> talk about the costs of birth defects over the next generation of birth defects caused by this virus. it's going to be crippling for countries like brazil. >> more countries and that's a big concern. you see that reignited the debate about abortion and how to prevent this. we don't have a big way of preventing and putting on deet. >> if you two had daughters that were of child bearing age. >> we do. >> okay. if they asked you, is it all
right for me to go to guatemala or brazil for spring break. you would say what? >> i probably would tell them unless you have a compelling reason, probably not such a hot idea. even if you put on a lot of deet and you are careful, if you are going to get pregnant. >> i would say not to go to an area where it's endemic. go somewhere cooler and more fun. go to canada. >> you can go check out ted cruz. >> on the other hand i have daughter who is have gone to africa where there is malaria and many other conditions. good prudent precautions of what you need. again, in spring vacation, kids go away and they're going to potentially get infected and we do need to think about safe sex
given what we know. we can never forget about that. >> kids, go to a nice scandinavian country. >> switzerland. >> thank you very much. up next, a major shake-up at one of the top media companies. hillary clinton and bernie sanders paper cut each other with memos about who is the real progressive. sanders is forced to explain his blurb in a quote that said president obama lets progressives down. next. hey, need fast heartburn relief? try cool mint zantac. it releases a cooling sensation in your mouth and throat. zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. nexium can take 24 hours. try cool mint zantac. no pill relieves heartburn faster.
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>> okay. >> i feel so bad. >> i'm going read something. >> what are you going to read? >> it goes back to what i said before. be careful who you bury. after ronald reagan lost iowa, on nbc right after he lost in iowa, quote, we have just witnessed the political funeral of ronald reagan. a man who would go on to create a revolution that still impacts the government today. >> time now for business before the bell with sarah eisen. what story is he watching? >> there is a shake-up to tell you about.
a 92-year-old media mogul who helped shape modern television and hollywood as we know it stepped down as the chairman of cbs. one of the companies he controls. the ceo of cbs will assume the role of chairman. it raises the question about the other company that they control which is viacom that controls nickelode nickelodeon. we could see a battle play out for the leadership between red stone's daughter. the ceo of viacom. the larger story here for investors and that people are wondering, what is the future of these companies in a rapidly changing media landscape where consumers are not just consuming on the big screen and they are going to places like netflix. you could look for deals now that there has been changes at the top. one that everyone is talking b. wal-mart is getting into the gas
business. gas stations. you may shop outside of wal-mart, but those are run by other companies. now wal-mart wants to get into the game even though they are at multiyear lows. the costs are much cheaper and people are buying cigarettes and gum and other products. just an interesting plan and change for the world's biggest retailer. back to you. >> sarah eisen, thank you very much. still ahead, senator bernie sanders is put on the spot for eners doersing a book that claims president obama disappoints progressives. next on "morning joe." made from scratch, and mixes crisp vegetables with all white meat chicken in a delicious gravy. ♪ because marie callender knows that making the perfect dinner isn't easy as pie, but finding someone to enjoy it with...sure is. marie callender's.
>> so i'm not going to let that bother me. i know where i stand and who stands with me. i know what i have done, but i don't think it helps for the senator to be making those kinds of comparisons because clearly we all share a lot of the same hopes and aspirations for our country that we want to see achieved. >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders are trading purchases over their respective records and the approach to president obama's legacy. much of that fight can be traced back to the book buyer's remorse, how obama let progressives down. on the front cover is a blurb by
senator sanders. read this book. joining us now is the book's author, bill brass and the national journal is back with us as well. hi there. >> as bernie sanders tried to back away from this? >> there is a lesson for all of this. who would think to put this in context about which is the greater progressive, i love this battle. for years, within the democratic party, i have been fighting the hawks and the conservatives to
say this party will be more progressive. to say they are fighting over who is the greater progressive, we progressives have won. they didn't turn out to be the number one we are hoping is president obama. >> let me just say that tie celebrate the fact that the democratic party is. >> you like that. let's take a listen to what senator sander his to say when asked about the thesis of your book. >> you don't believe he let down progressives? >> no, i think president obama has done a fantastic job. the economy today is infinitely better than it was years ago. what we have got to do is involve people in the political process in a way that we have not done. the reason that the rich get richer and everybody else gets poorer is big money controls what goes on in congress. the answer to that is a
political revolution involving people in the political process. >> it sounds like he is backing off there. you may have to change the cover. >> his blurb does sdmog he has been saying that since the beginning of this campaign. that's an important point. i make the same case that president obama has done a lot of good things and to give him credit, in some areas he has not followed through or continues to follow-through with george bush or dick cheney or hasn't acted on those issues. the word i hear is disappointment. doesn't mean we are sorry we voted for him, but he can't come through the way he hoped we would. we will put the pressure on hillary clinton or sanders and run for it when they ended. >> a run for new york.
>> help me out. i can see this benefiting the fight for bernie sanders. folks on the left, democratic voters feel buyer's remorse and you can see how it will benefit hillary clinton. who does it help or hurt most? >> it does give the clinton campaign and the media a wedge to go after bernie because on the front of the book, they make the case to read this book. if you read the blurb, i don't know anybody can disagree. they have been out there with rallies and bernie is saying progressives have to take a page out of their book and keep the pressure on the next president. they talk about the fact that they have been disappointed in president obama's follow-through. >> it's josh green.
i have a question for you. how can bernie sanders manage to get through policies through a republican congress that stymied president obama again and again. isn't that the problem? republicans control the congress and they didn't for the first two years. there is a lot of stuff he never even touched and never did anything about gun control and never did anything about immigration in the first two years. never even tried. if you look at president clinton's record, working with him he got more done than the 50 two years. president obama didn't take advantage of those opportunities. >> already, go ahead. >> yes, this question heads apologies about what president obama has not been able to
accomplish. income inequality has not gotten particularly better under president obama's leadership. to what extend does your book cover the ways in which even president obama's move left ward within the democratic party has not been enough to tackle the key thing that bernie sanders cares a lot about? >> on that issue, you are right. income inequality. the president called it the number one issue of our time and the state of the union, if you look at the facts, what programs or policies has he put forward? nothing on that issue and it's gotten worse and worse. and again, he has done a lot of good things. in certain areas like this one, like campaign finance reform, the president has just walked away from it and not given it attention at all. >> the book is buyer's remorse, how obama let progressives down.
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realignment? >> to 2010. the wave that swept through congress that remade house republicans, that has now moved in the gop primary and it plays out between the donor and the working class. >> they say you can't ever go home. >> with miami or tampa in the state of florida. >> thank you, dr. zeke and dr. dave. >> i learned that the republicans are so much at each other's throats and the down ballots that are down in the polls keep playing out and could come up. they are watching the abc debate among republican saturday nights. >> they are trying to pop that bubble inside. >> nonstop. we learned rick santorum will
have that. >> stick around to nbc live up next. we will have the latest donald trump tweet. you know they are. good thursday morning. what a day it is going to be into the night. we are hours away from the on one between bernie sanders and hillary clinton. it is the last debate before they have their say in the nation's first presidential primary. the clinton campaign continues to climb a steep hill to victory. the latest shows the candidate is joining six and trails boy 22 points.